Alright fellas it's time for another SMT thread; get the fuck in here

Good.
The gameplay improves a lot, but the story is noticably weaker.
The cast as a whole is better, but none of them are as cool as based Naoya, Atsubro and Amane, except for maybe fumi.
The MC is an absolute riot though.

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What I ak trying to say is it's definitelt worth playing if you liked DeSu1.

Why haven't you played through smt and smt2 yet? They're good.

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I am waiting for the remake

>IV
>Nocturne
>best
lmao

I beat 1
Wasn't really good, but it was an interesting experience
2 for some reason feels laggy compared to 1 and it was really off putting playing it directly after

If found it kinda funny that they made the protagonist of Strange Jouney an american in the localised version

UH, ALL THE NOCTURNE FAGS OR NIGGERS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, GET OFF THIS THREAD BECAUSE IT'S FOR 2D PEOPLE ONLY, UNDERSTAND? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE DEMONS HAVE MOODS AGAIN!!!

Nocturne is the deepest and most beautiful SMT game made yet. Only contrarians would hate it.

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That was the developpers intention.
Doomguy is from whatever country (you) are from and that his ethnicity should be changed to whatever the game is translated to.

I've just arrived in ruined Tokyo in SMT1 and I've only NOW discovered mapper.

Holy shit.

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Based
Cringe

>I WILL MAKE DEMONS HAVE MOODS AGAIN!!!
Only Devil Summoner does this, stop pretending the SNES trash is good

>English is american

Them be fighting words son.

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that was the joke, I just forgot the image
SMT1 is unironically better than Nocturne

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>not into SMT when DeSu was being sold
>now that I really want it, the PAL version is worth +100 euros

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>No Space Marine

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No, it isn't

The best thing about SMTIV coming out is fags like you can no longer say "It is SMTIV!" in refrence to SJ. It's not a mainline game, accept it.

I've seen Persona have very shallow choices, and bland main charactera. These are major pet peeves of mine. Is that true for the main SMT games?

The gameplay certainly isn't unless you think stun locking bosses just by doing damaging attacks is good design.

It’s okay, it’s hard to look at your childhood vidya objectively, I understand. You probably think DDS is good, too.

>SMT1
>walk one step
>random fight against 7 demons
>kill them all after half a minute
>another random fight against 5 more demons appear right after that
>kill them all again
>ANOTHER random fight against 6 more demons
>kill them all yet again
>"You have gained 158 experience and 288 MAG."
>shit where the fuck was i
>take 10 seconds to open the menu and check the map
>realize the map isn't entirely filled out
>exit the map
>walk one step
>more random encounters

Well the americans translated it.
I should have said he comes from whatever country that translated this game I guess.

Why do SMT fans hate each other so much.

Why not get overclocked?

Both versions are expensive as fuck, OC even more so.

I love SMTI for what it is but you sound like a contrarian.

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>game about killing your friends over differing ideologies
dunno

Nocturne got popular on Yea Forums so people are pretending to like 1 to shitpost against it

Persona is more about anisoy and waifufagging, SMT into demons and lore, that and darker themes in general

>It's not a mainline game, accept it
Inb4 "I was only PRETENDING to be retarded".

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No, your choices are which friend to make collateral damage of the genocide you’re endorsing and the main characters have exactly no personality.

Because there are a lot of spin-offs and side games and even the mainline games are all pretty radically different in gameplay with only I and II being even a little similar. On top of that, all the games are good enough that I can understand why it might be someone's favorite, unfortunately most fans cannot. Everyone has a different favorite and other fans can't accept that because it's the internet.

Wtf bros...i was suppose to win

This isn't fair, how could atlus do this to me?

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Seems like Atlus don't know their own games then because if... is canonically in the same universe as Persona.

>NINE is considered Mainline
NOOOOOOOOOOO IM NOT A REAL SHEN MEGOOMY TENSAI FAN FUCKFRUCKCUFKKEK I CANT PLAY NINE WHAT THE FUCUCCCCKKK

The combat is definitely an improvement in Nocturne, but the story and character depth on the little people we did have was heavily lacking to say the least. On top of that, the Vortex World wasn't necessarily an engaging setting. It's literally just Tokyo in a wasteland. I enjoyed the demon NPC's though, but compared to the other games where the human characters describe their struggles and their survival in the apocalypse. It feels less interesting and doesn't give as much world building. I will say that SMT I's plot was great though, and I'd take it over Nocturne's any day. Gameplay, map, and everything else are outdated as fuck though. Speaking of NPC's, Yamai said they were making V sympathetic to modern day dilemmas. I wonder where that'll go?

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Nocturne got popular because it was everyone’s first game they played as a kid and now it got OoT level of overrated.
Meanwhile, 1 is honestly fucking great, and while the gameplay is dated, many of its shortcomings are ironically shared by Nocturne, yet the opening act blows Nocturne out of the water.
Saying SMT1 isn’t great is like saying SMB is bad because 3D marios exist. It’s a perfectly good and playable game taken in its own context instead of compared to muh first smt.

>Trannies, politics, suicide, xenophobia
Oh boy I can't wait

>if...
>nine
>sj
>mainline

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Yes. If Atlus says so they are sweeties.

JAPANESE modern struggles

My first SMT game was 4
I didn't touch Nocturne until after beating most of mainline, as well as several spinoffs
SMT1 is dogshit and bitching about Nocturne (if you can call it that, because you haven't actually said anything about it) will not make it better

They said modern day dilemmas not Yea Forums's chronic obsessions.

So I guess Persona 2 is also since if...'s main character is a prominent character in it. Weird I don't see Persona 2 on that image though.

The difference is that SMB is actually playable and a good game outright, SMT1 is not
Stop pretending your childhood issues are an argument

>underageb& has shit opinion
rly maeks u think

You speak as if suicide, politics, and xenophobia aren't issues in Japan. Granted, trannies probably aren't a deal over there.

In what way is 1 “unplayable”, you absolute brainlet?

>sonyfags now falseflagging as Nintendofags calling people sonyfags
Good fucking lord.

The dialogue options have no bearing on the story.
If someone asked you "what do you fight for"
You get 3 answers which represent one of 3 alignments.
You would get something like.
>I fight to uphold order(law)
>I fight for myself(chaos)
>I dunno(neutral)
depending on which alignment answers you favored the most you will get an ending that represent that alignment.
It only really switches up a bit what bosses you fight, what sidequest you get and different cutscenes in the last few hours of the game.

Stop acting like SMT is Zelda or something and everybody knew about it
I had never heard of the series before SMTIV
I played fucking Etrian Odyssey before knowing the franchise existed because they have demos on the eShop

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SMT I and Nocturne are both great, SMT II is the overrated one. Shit game.

>no smt iv/a complete edition on switch
>no strange journalists redux on switch
>no smt 3 on switch
FUCK NINTENDO

I guess it is (:

Multiverse theory exists you retard, this isn't about lore but about what Atlus deems is in line with the style of mainline, which If... fits into.

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>The dialogue options have no bearing on the story
Well that's not entirely true. 1 I know you can lock yourself out of party members and I'm not too sure about 2 because I haven't played it yet but for 3 and beyond its usually just a means to reach the final boss.

Nigger, how new are you? Nocturne was always circlejerked on Yea Forums. P3 was fucking huge and the shitposting was without end.

I think it would be kinda cool if Atlus remastered the Ps1 versions of SMT1, 2, and if... for a more modern system and localized them officially with voice actors like they did with Soul Hackers. Who knows maybe spruce of the graphics and sprite work a bit, make the UI more sleek. Couldn't be that hard right?

Also original Debisama English when

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So at least SJ isn't canon then.

SJ is my favorite, followed by IV.

I get bored of Nocturne every time I try it

So do the Devil Summoner games and they aren't on there.

I wish they actually made you stop and think about dialogue options instead of them being basic bitch choices that anyone who can identify themes will guess which dialogue choice falls into which alignment. Things like:
>Shake his hand +1 Law point
>Ignore him +1 Chaos point
Are retarded.

Are these games hard to get into? Are they somewhat similar to the classic Final Fantasy titles?

I ignored the threads at the time. I didn't know what the series was and rarely played JRPGs, why would I give a shit?

Reminder that Atlus are interesting in remaking Nocturne before any other game in the series. Are you ready for Reasons and human characters being gods for the next century?

SJ is canon in the universe it takes place in.

What's so great about SMT 1? Honest question because I've only heard bad things about 1 & 2 and have never tried them

Shoo nusonafag

Which has nothing to do with mainline smt like making it non canon

If SMT 5 sells well then who knows, Atlus may shill even more SMT on Switch.

>durr I only heard of mgs when 4 came out, I just ignored all the threads
Yeah, ok.

3D BAD! 2D GOOD

It's Eric.

Well some games do it better than others.
like DeSu does you choices mattering pretty well, but generally speaking most choices are generally like I described in my previous post

If Atlus says it's mainline it is sweety, which they do Fortunately it doesn't matter how you personally feel, Atlus confirmed it is mainline and you can't change that, okay (:

See the post above the one you replied to. It’s a snes dungeon crawler gameplay-wise, but the story, setting and presentation are very good, and with it being the first game, the slow spiral into demon Armageddon is cool.

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>Atlus says it's mainline it is sweety
Except they didn't retronauts.com/article/906/embarking-on-a-strange-journey-redux?amphtml=1
>it was developed as a spinoff from the start.

That image isn't there to show the mainline titles.

A vending machine wouldn't really fit into the scene user.

>People discussion Nocturne
>Consolewars and shitposting ensues
Hmm..

is this nine?

At this point I think it's the most logical thing for Atlus to do. Atlus has nothing to lose by remaking one of their most popular mainline games.

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>That image isn't there to show the mainline titles
Then what is it retard?

Trust this man. He is your friend.

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I hope to god that they do. Even with the ps3 version Europe doesn't have a playable version.

1 was my first SMT game
Pretty garbage game. I can understand the context behind its release and how impressive it was at the time, but it’s still a fundamentally shitty game no matter how much you spin it.
If 2’s anything like it, then I’m just gonna play the other entries for a bit because I’m burnt out from 1’s shitty gameplay.

For starters it isn't even in english without using a shoddy translation patch that could glitch out and prevent you from completing the game and this wasn't fixed until 14 years later
Then you have the absurdly high encounter rate constantly interrupting gameplay, even worse if your on the overworld since the screen has to transition. Then after killing or recruitment there's also an absurdly high reinforcement rate, so you could walk 2 steps, get into 5 battles in a row, walk another 2 steps, and immediately repeat. This never stops through the entire game, not even during the absurdly long and winding final dungeon, you can only stop it by using estoma which is glitched and works infinitely (though I guess that's beneficial here)
The audio quality is fucking horrendous and makes my ears bleed. Opening the map is extremely cumbersome, and the spell meant to make it easier is bugged and doesn't work half the time. You have no idea where to go and this would be fine if the game had some non-linearity and encoiraged exploration but if you go somewhere before you're meant to then you could end up softlocking your game and needing to restart from the beginning. It goes the other way too because if you progress through the main story too quickly you won't be able to awaken the 4 devas before Tokyo gets flooded and will softlock your game again.

REND

>implying SMT is 1% as well known as MGS

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Just games they consider SMT.
Its also worth noting that SMT is a spin off in and of itself anyway.

*AHEM*
I'M GOING TO SAY THE N-WORD

NEUTRAL

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Too bad Lucifer wasn't in SMT IV for whatever reason.

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A lot of people don't realize the trademark of this series is mood and not some silly plot with some sim shit.

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>calling anyone a retard when you played yourself

Friendly reminder that going Law is worth it to remove the fujos.

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1 is pure contrarianism. 2, if and Soul Hackers are 1 but good.

The translation and bugs were fixed with a fans 1.1 patch you can easily find in the /smtg/, the map was added with another patch so you can just press L(or R) to toggle it.

Hopefully traps too in case of Nanashi

I didn't play anything, SJ is mainline. A random Yea Forums retard isn't convincing me otherwise.

Only took 14 years from the first patch lmao

Bugs were, translation wasn't.

Since you faggots can't stop shitposting, let the games begin.
>Favorite Demon
>Alignment
>OST Theme
>Favorite Mainline Game
>Favorite Megaten Game
>Favorite Megaten Character

>Jahi
>Light/Chaos
>youtube.com/watch?v=tlAf4EE7sDQ
>SJ
>P2 Innocent Sin
>Chiaki

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>Too bad Lucifer wasn't in SMT IV
user, I...

>Says Atlus says its mainline
>Eiji Ishida the director of the original SJ says it isn't
You played yourself because Atlus said it was a spin off.

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SMT 1 isn't high art anyway, I do remember some typos getting corrected, or maybe not I played it 2 years ago.

>Eiji Ishida
>A random Yea Forums retard
Holy shit. Are you fucking retarded?

See Plus those Demomica don't function in the same way.

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I liked Digital Devil Survivor

>Favorite Demon
Don't really have one Dagda I guess.
>>Alignment
Dark/neutral
>>OST Theme
youtube.com/watch?v=50MTGAvcngM
>>Favorite Mainline Game
SMT IV:A I really enjoyed the fusion, combat system and OST.
>>Favorite Megaten Game
Devil Survivor hands down
>>Favorite Megaten Character
Atsubro or Naoya.

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The game began was a spinoff because of no Tokyo, as if that mattered, and became a mainline game. As I said, some retard on Yea Forums doesn't change that.

Tranny

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>Kresnik
>Light/Neutral
>youtu.be/tUISz9mV7BY
>SMT 3 or SMT if...
>Persona 2 Eternal Punishment
>Kei Nanjo

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/smtg/ brainlets need to leave

I've hated every SMT I've played except Nocturne which was still a chore trying to inherit the right skills.
I really, really want this one to be good because I'm only buying a switch if SMTV turns out to be good.

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>(holy shit hard mode was hell
How the fuck. Hard mode is disappointingly easy

>and became a mainline game.
He literally says he was adamant about keeping it a spin off in that very same article
>But, because it was conceived as a spinoff, we enjoyed the freedom of going off on a tangent from the mainline games (and the extra pain and suffering from that, haha). Therefore, I felt a strong resistance to market it as a numbered title, and I ultimately rejected the suggestion. I think I would be a little more flexible about it now, but my past self who had just experienced the pain of creating a new title wasn’t as confident, and I couldn’t make that decision then.
It was never at any point in time a mainline game.
You can't help but dig yourself into a hole can you. Might as well just leave the thread now.

Strange Journey and Nocturne are based SMT
Haha

I did and they aren't very good. Even for SNES games they are dated and boring, Hoping for a remake with press turn combat.

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>some retard on Yea Forums doesn't change that.
You're right, Atlus saying it isn't does.
Why are you adamant about it being mainline anyway? Was it your first game or something?

FUCK PERSONA
*dabs*

It really saddens me to see so many hipsters hating on this game. I'm replaying it on NG+ (just got the extra press turn, bought back my daisojou and I'm going into Asakusa right now) and I really love it. I love the setting, the plot, and even though the characters don't get many lines or fleshing out, they're all very intriguing.

Pixie is best girl, True Demon is best ending, and the Kalpas are really fucking cool dungeons.

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I'm glad SMT exists, it's basically Persona but without all the boring crap

>It’s a perfectly good and playable game taken in its own context
Even back then it was mediocre compared to other jrpgs on the snes

Press turn isn't the problem
Soul Hackers has the same system but it's actually fun to play

No one hates it, only the retards it brought.

I loved The Answer in Persona 3 mainly because it didn't have social links and people make fun of me saying "just play SMT" but Nocturne is the only similar to P3 SMT (only similar because press turn obviously) game so I have no idea what the fuck they're trying to say.

I have no fucking clue why someone would pick up dungeon crawling games like Persona and play it exclusively for the NPC dialogue of random people whining about their really good lives. Social links have always been the weakest part of any Persona game.

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I dunno, out of all the ones I've played it was by far the hardest. Even SJ which people said was the hardest I didn't find all that bad until the end game optional bosses.

>remaking a fucking PS2 game that plays fine instead of three SNES games that are tedious slogs
Simply ebin

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Satomi Tadashi would've never introduced that plague onto the series if it wasn't for lonely waifu fags.

They're more like pokemon but with penis demons.

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Isn't satomi Tadashi that guybwho inserted himself into the game abd made his character marry the female mc of IF... who in that game looked like some popular idol he liked at the time?

What retards? The ones that know that first person battles are signs of lazy development? That SMT4 made the vast majority of buffs completely useless until endgame since every demon including random encounters 1-2 shot any of your teammates (god forbid they hit a weakness and get a smirk, then you may as well reload before you're made to sit through the bullshit long game over screen).
How about 90% of all encounters that you don't find on the world map (bosses and red monsters) always strike first, which lead to problems very very quickly?
How about how Media is your highest healing spell until around level 40 and only heals about 10% of your HP when enemies, again, take off more than half of yours in a single hit making anything except buttfuck rushdown with your highest level spells a moot point?

I played through all of SMT4 just to find out why you faggots keep taking massive shits all over Nocturne and all I found was disgust (and a few pretty cool characters, pic related).

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They have god tier story.

Yes and hes based and red pilled

Devil Summoner

I've finished
>DDS 1 and 2
>SJ
>P3-5
I keep trying to get into the older ones, I've tried 1 and 2, Nocturne, Soul Hackers and Raidou and I just can't get into them

Case in point.

Acting smug won't do you any good unless you bring a counter-point. This isn't highschool, nobody is going to respect or understand you unless you act like an adult.

I just rescued the 3 VIPs after the Black Samurai in SMT IV. How for am I into the game? Getting kinda bored and don't know if I should keep going.

Anyone feel like Persona 5 stepped closer towards SMT while SMT IV: A stepped closer to Persona? I feel like the series are about to cross each other and go opposite directions.

>Yea Forums
>proving points like they matter
>acting like an adult
Pfft.. OH NO NO NO. You must be new.

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I played through it all. It has a very, very slow start and when the story finally picks up it still isn't that great. I'm about to go into SMT4A because people swear it's the best SMT game but I don't know if I can handle any more of SMT4's terribly balanced gameplay either.

Tell your feelings to stop assuming things that aren't going to happen my boy. It's clear that people hated Apocalypse's plot because of the fan service, and Persona fans as usual devour the casual anime tropes.

>Anyone feel like Persona 5 stepped closer towards SMT
They're taking babysteps:
>Based in Tokyo
>Final boss is Yaldabaoth.
>Speaking of the Collective Unconscious
>Heavier focus on the inclusion of the Velvet Room+Gods at the end.
>More dungeon focused than previous Personas.
It feels like they're slowly trying to edge the Persona Waifufags back into SMT but they don't want to scare them by going too fast. Expect the next one to feel more like a proper SMT game again.

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It's still mainline despite what Eiji is trying to spout. It's not a spin-off like DDS and Radiou. If it wasn't they weren't have complied it together with NINE and the rest of showed it off in the pre-showing of Final and V.

>Acting smug won't do you any good unless you bring a counter-point
And saying this doesn't instantly give you superiority or that win you're craving.
Regardless you've already established yourself as someone who won't accept anything I say so there's no point in wasting my time.

In other words the best option for me is to not give you your satisfaction.

Play smt IV or DeSu.

He's a retard for pointing out why SMT4 was flawed?

Will we get more public orgasms in 5?

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No, in fact persona in particular went back even further than the previous games in regards to the plot.

>And saying this doesn't instantly give you superiority or that win you're craving.
Glad we're on the same level because now you'll sound like a hypocrite unless you discuss this with me.
>Regardless you've already established yourself as someone who won't accept anything I say so there's no point in wasting my time.
You haven't met me before, this is an anonymous imageboard and you're trying to avoid discussion by assuming shit about me.
Stop jumping to conclusions or make a point already, man. I'm willing to hear you out.

...

youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

How is that private Imagine server coming along? I got into the series too late to try it before it shutdown.

>being bottom bitch is best ending

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make me

>boss AI is literally retarded and don't bother to dispel buffs unless you pass the +2 threshold
>debuffs and buffs are the most overpowered in the series
>existence of bright and dark might
>all the fiends are broken as fuck
>only hard boss in the game is Matador
>etc
It's really overrated in difficulty

>It's still mainline despite what Eiji is trying to spout
Sorry Atlus says it isn't, sweetie.
Also I hope you realise the irony in believing your headcanon.

Is anyone playing the new Dx2 dungeon, is it good?

>>being bottom bitch is best ending
Is that better than being god's bottom bitch? You either play by his rules or you join lucifer in giving him the middle finger.

>get into megaten
>enjoy a lot of them
>try out SMT1 and 2
>get lost
>drop them
Am I hopeless? Should I just use a guide?

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IV:A has the best gameplay, but the story is worse and it reuses a lot and I mean a lot of assets of IV.
If you already don't like IV, I don't think it is worth it for you to continue slogging through it just to play IV:A.
Especially if you play it immediately after beating IV.

What the hell was that about?

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No only utter fucking retards would think this.

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>you either get played by YHVH or played by Lucifer
You're almost there user. Only a little further and you'll realize the truth.

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>boss AI is literally retarded and don't bother to dispel buffs unless you pass the +2 threshold
This isn't AI being retarded considering that every game since does the same thing or something similar, it's meant as a soft limit

>>debuffs and buffs are the most overpowered in the series
I haven't played Strange Journey but is that right? I'm playing SMT4 right now and so far buffs and debuffs have almost no effect whatsoever. Casting Sukunda 3x on the enemy and Sukukaja 3x on myself still has the enemy critical hitting my entire team at once very often (haven't seen an enemy miss yet actually), Rakukaja used 3x mitigates damage by about 20 points and Tarukaja same thing. I'm starting to drop buffs off of my demons and just spamming elemental magic and having a MUCH easier time now.

Or you say fuck you to both of them and just return everything the way it was.

I have no fucking idea what happened to this fandom, especially since most games that you've gotten were pretty good, but I feel genuinely sorry for you guys.

It's like everyone has polar opposite opinions on literally fucking everything.

>If you already don't like IV, I don't think it is worth it for you to continue slogging through it just to play IV:A.
But I don't want people to call me a Nocturnebabby.
>Especially if you play it immediately after beating IV.
I'll give it a break.

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No idea but my dick wants more of it.

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>It's not a spin-off like DDS and Radiou
I don't think you understand how SMT works.
DDS and Raidou aren't spin offs off SMT they're entirely different series in the greater megaten franchise in the same way Persona is and SMT itself.
In other words they are all mainline while they all have their own spin offs like the Persona dancing games and Strange Journey.

That's not true as shown
And youtube.com/watch?v=zcQpUBjaxko
And same for the Final pre-showing

what's the answer like any way?

>short-stack hime cut with black hair and full body tights
I, also, can only get so erect.

Possession.

SMT IV is pretty much the worst game for buff relevance. They only matter at the end of the game. In Strange Journey buffs are also very strong though, I'm not sure if Nocturne's would really be any stronger.

being called a nocturnbabby is a compliment at this point. The only thing you should be ashamed of is letting peer pressure dictate how you spend your time.

The Collective Unconsciousness alone was a pretty nice nod to the earlier Persona game I thought. Shame Philemon still isn't around but I hope he gets an appearance in The Royal.

That's not really good thing considering Fog breath is a OP skill and you can get it really early.

Then play some other games.
DeSu and strange journey are pretty good and maybe play the other ps2 games for that ps2 SMT aesthetic.

That's not an image of mainline titles and it never has been.

I played 1 the other day and gameplay aside holy fuck was it great. Kinda wish it got a modern remake to fix up the datedness but part of me would also worry about how they could fuck it up.

Man of taste

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Not to mention the cute eyebrows just begging for a facial.

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>Shame Philemon still isn't around but I hope he gets an appearance in The Royal.
>having to deal with stupid-ass zoomer kids and their bullshit when you can have your bottom bitch Igor do it for you
Why would he appear?

Apoc is my least favorite mainline game, and probably least favorite Megaten game in general as well. Try not to get your expectations too high for it.

Would you rather have the bosses remove a game mechanic from play completely?
I bet you think bosses being immune to ailments is good too

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They literally are spin-offs. Everything is a spinoff to Megami Tensei.

So are you trying to say that your headcanon supersedes the word of the man who directed the game?

whats your favorite persona

It's automatically set on hard mode (which just means take advantage of weaknessess and spam all-out-attacks and you'll have zero trouble whatsoever.)
It's dungeon crawling from level 30-80 while you open doors at the end of each segment which reveal flashbacks to a party member's past (you finally see how Junpei awakened to his persona, Mitsuru as a child awakening to hers for example) and the party fights eachother as they try to decide whether to turn back time to save the MC, stick around and try and find another way, or move on with the future.

Eventually everyone copes with his death and learn to leave their regrets behind and move ahead with the future the MC gave them a chance to experience.

It's an excellent epilogue story but most people can't handle the auto-Hard mode.

>when you can have your bottom bitch Igor do it for you
A-user...

>Collective Unconscious
Didn p3 and p4 do that too?
Arent Erebus and Izanami created from the collective unconscious's want for death and blissfull ignorance?

You do realise that would mean SJ is still a spin off, right?

why is YHWH such an order-obsessed cunt though

I might replay Devil Summoner 2. It was one of my favourite ps2 games of all time.

I can understand people not liking the barebones plot or encounter rate
But goddamn Nocturne is fucking beautiful in the art design department

It is.

Nocturne is on that meme 3x3, contrarians got extremely upset by that and now they have to shitpost against it at every opportunity

The primordial deities of chaos bullied him for being a loser with nothing but a big yellow head.

He has no say over all of SMT

please respond

Kill your friends boyo.

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>it took Aeon Genesis 4 years to do "two hours of work" to finally release If...

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I JUST WANT MORE FUCKING SOMETHING, ANYTHING. WHY THE FUCK IS ATLUS SO BAD ABOUT THIS SHIT

Buffs in SMT2 can be stacked infinitely, to the point where you can overflow and start doing zero damage because you used Tarukaja too much

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

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Yet he had complete control on whether or not SJ would be a spin off and he personally said it was.
You don't have an argument against that.

sauce ?

Preaching to the choir, Dagda.

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play the gacha until SMTV, avoid Persona shit.

It’s never happening and no I’m not a personaqueer I just know Atlus would ditch it like how they ditched p1 and p2

Do not bully the love interest.

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Some of you guys are alright, don't go to diamond realm tomorrow.

youtube.com/watch?v=Nnl-gKT4ljI

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No chad marine or edge-ashi

I like both SMT and Persona, faggot.

It's not, it has always been an image of everything they considered SMT whether or not it was a spin off.
Basically the easy way to know if its mainline in any megaten series is if its a numbered title, if it doesn't have the number then it's not mainline.

Eligor is the sexiest demon husbando and I want to marry him!

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IV:A is the best game in the series.

Fuck yes.

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NO YOU DON'T IDORT

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thats the nature of law vs chaos

The stuff that happened with the Velvet Room and the world in P5 was by far the most dire it had been since EP and that should've been enough to get him involved.

Nah son it’s more towards unemployment and other struggles. There’s an article on it

The entire series is fucking kino.

>The atmosphere and music in 1
>2's oppressive endings
>Nocturne's eery vibe, consistently good artstyle, and great music
>Strange Journey's crazy fucking dungeons, having some of the most memorable branch representatives, and element of horror
>IV's depressive take on YHVH's destruction of earth/mankind. How quickly your friends become lost to the side they choose. Isabeau
>IV:A's Dagda, and killing YHVH. More Isabeau

One of my favorite series of all time, along with Total War and Souls.

delicious meat for a dog.

based kozuka

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Reminder that the Space Marine never failed in any of the endings.

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Devil summoner 2 was a fucking treat.

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the gatcha is persona wearing smt's face on it's head texas chainsaw massacre style. They didn't even implement the press turn system right and it's more like persona's the one more system.

The based marines. Especially ty- I mean commander gore

>having weakness
>ever
God I hate fags like you.

I rather the bosses require tactics

It is and it's still mainline

I played Nocturne after SJ and I didn't like it near as much as SJ. The mechanics are fine (Except that later enemies sometimes have no weakness to abuse, meaning it's not that fun), but the world fell flat and lifeless, and not in the good way that DDS's world did. I felt more like I was playing just straight gameplay with a little backdrop to provide a reason, pardon the pun.

SJ will always be peak SMT for me, even if Demon Co-op wasn't as big of core mechanic as press turn. Everything about it just felt great, so good in fact I'm worried that playing the remake will tarnish the feeling I got from it by missing some of the key things.

Not that dire apparently.

I just got that image off of google images pls don't bully my pixie is also immune to physical I promise.

No he has no say. Atlus has the last word.

It’s been over a year since the last trailer right
I stopped following this game a while ago since I assumed that would be the case

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I want to mating press this doggie!

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I also like SJ better than Nocturne, but I will say Nocturne had superb atmosphere. They both did.
Strange Journey just nailed the horror element with the whole unknown enemy thing. I was fucking scared of those dungeons.

>Atlus has the last word.
Yeah and he's a part of Atlus. Unless you're trying to say that SJ is some kind of unlicensed game.

>(Except that later enemies sometimes have no weakness to abuse, meaning it's not that fun),
I see your problem. You didn't go FULL STRENGTH.
The only way to make the main character fun to play endgame is to pump FULL STRENGTH and some vitality, and then some Luck when both are at 30.
This way you can just charge+physical attack of your choice everything into fucking oblivion all game long. I guarantee you will have a much easier time than exploiting weaknesses.

>smt bosses having tactics other than buff/debuff/hit weakness

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I played Strange Journey and found it to be pretty fucking meh. To compare, I'm currently playing SMT fucking 1 and liking it way more for some reason. Maybe it has to do something with the DS classic being a bit shit.

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>SMT1 is unironically better than Nocturne
Agreed.

>that image
>implying that YHVH created humanity

It is. It's what Atlus considers mainline. That's why they showed it off three different times.

with abel their powers combined

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>go into thinking dagda is laughably edgy
>why would I want to kill my friends
>actually meet all my """friends"""
These fuckers are useless. Actually, they're worse than useless. Not only are the insufferable in terms of personality, but they actually make things worse both in combat and your interactions with the world. Holy shit, Dagda was right.

it's the same press turn system like always, personafag. maybe they are changing this "one more system" instead.

SJ was pretty lackluster coming from EO tbqh
Imagine recycling a game's engine and removing the best part

And he has no say over the bearing of the series. He's a part, not the higher ups.

It’s personaqueers thinking they hold the value in quality

Homeslice.

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Stephen says hi.

>It's what Atlus considers mainline
Did they say that it showed mainline titles only?

She never says that unless you are playing the dub. She says big sis alot in Wapanese.

Dagda's voiced by the VA of Char Aznable in the Japanese version. That's all you really need to know to realize instantly that choosing his side over your friends is the correct move. I haven't even played any mainline SMT past 3 and I know that.

How SMT V will top this?

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>not the higher ups
Like who?
They all agree that its a spin off too hence why it's called strange journey and not 4.

Hard to fail when you're nothing but a vending machine.

I figured it out too late. I did do a lopsided build in 4 though, which trivialized the game when I could Agidyne things for massive damage.

I still like exploiting press turn though, it just feels great when you can run circles around an enemy, but I can understand why the game puts limitations on it later.

K, but i will go full bonds until then.

Yes

By making it 3D and more exciting to look at, such as having Stephen roll up to you and stab your demons with a knife.

Dude, you lost the argument.
It's time to give up.

>Ever doubting based Dadga.

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So where's your source then?

>I still like exploiting press turn though,
Oh hell yeah, I do too. It feels good to get an extra turn and knowing you have the upper hand as a result.
Nocturne is strange in that criticals become a more reliable way to get press turns later, more so than weakness exploits.

>stronger than god
>never fights you directly outside the dlc
>pits people against you and some faggot goddess
I hope we get to kill him on SMT5 (in 30 years)

my sides on that last part, now I want to see it

>Alex fights in SJ Redux
>Shekinah
>Mem Aleph

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It's weird the hype that Stephen gets when he basically acts exactly like Lucifer (the real one, not the SMT IV one). Listening to him is no different than listening to YHVH or Chaos.

>Everything is a spinoff to Megami Tensei.
SMT 1 is actually in that same continuity.

I'm not sure why Demon Co-op didn't also trigger on criticals as well, it would've made it much better. Both kind of suffer from their design a bit because of the functionality though, it lends itself great to regular fights, not so great to bosses unless it's something like MA who switches her weakness constantly.

>posting some random thieving cat whore
>changing the filename to SMT Heroine
That's just not right user.

>not having Stephen straight up bitchslap the fuck out of your phys reflecting demons with a piercing 9999 crit
Weak.

Dagda is the true neutral rep we need. Fuck Stephen.

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You think they'll still include him now that the real Stephen has gone on to fight YHVH?

4's Lucifer was such a cuck man. I still wish they'd kept Satan's previous design.

user...

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why the fuck is he so strong and how the fuck can he travel between timelines, I haven't seen anyone answer this yet

I imagine him like a tonberry. Slow to roll up to your demons, so they drop their guard and wonder if he's okay then he just fucking eviscerates you.

The real YHVH was killed off by Kid you dummy. Stephen just likes to pull strings.

The higher ups

They won't be able to

Did you play the SMT1? Because it is all there fag. I bet you don't even know what the diamond realm is either.

There is no argument because these are the same retards who think DDS is a SMT game

I've thought it was heaven, considering how you can see the ghost of your mother there.

More like
>muh first SMT for babby boomer edgelords
In a literal sense. First game outside of JP and on the PS2

Right there in the image. What do you actually think those pictures mean?

So it's not mainline glad we settled that.

How?

Too bad Dagda is an edgy man child with a retarded design. I'd prefer Krishna of all people over him.

Is that deepest journey exclusive?

It's literally not, you don't get to spend only half a turn on things, you just get one extra.

So you have no source, good to know.

It is. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Atlus jist randomly complied those games together, not like they all carry the SMT name or something

>a game that's not on Sony platform
to be fair, it is.
Just that we can't play that version without knowing nip
Why is he the most enjoyable edgelord in ages

And you have no argument but bias

I got OC for around 50€ recently

>bias is direct unbiased statements from the director who was given the choice to call it 4 or a spin off and chose spin off
The sad part is that this isn't even the first time you've used this to shitpost.

>want to sit down and replay/finally finish DeSu1
>that one boss with near infinite range
It was on the last day too
I can take truckloads of damage but for the love of god no snipers please

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Deliberately imposes trials on humans for his own reasons, but when the protagonist makes a different choice doesn't really put up a fight about it since he knows he has plenty of future cycles to continue playing the game. Just sticks to appearing every now and then to say a few words before leaving again.

It was just added for Redux I think.

Yes

>but they actually make things worse both in combat
What's that? Couldn't hear you over those turns I've used for you.

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Because it doesn't take place in Tyoko doesn't mean it's not mainline. There's a reason the word mainline exists. There's a reason that those games are always complied together. They are SMT. They are mainline.

I haven't played Redux yet. I'm still trying to finish beating Demiurge before I shelf my old SJ, law's the only route I haven't completed yet because of him.

>Why is he the most enjoyable edgelord in ages
Because he is actually right, also when you kill him he is actually proud of you when you kill him.

Don't be a little bitch user, just get up to his face and Holy Dance

Which is the best version of SMT1 to play anyway? I keep seeing about how certain translated versions have game breaking bugs.

>4 foot grown man in shorts
lol also It sucks Vishnu wasn't on Apocalypse and we got this fag instead. But somehow Rama was in this as well?

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Have Buddha, Jesus and whichever main religious god fight Steven

There lies the problem
My autism stat is not high enough to get there without getting nukes

DeSu was my first MegaTen and I beat it just fine with my shitty STR/Mag build.
You can do it.

>They are SMT
Hence why they included spin offs on your image. Regardless of their status as spin offs they're still SMT.

After playing Hardtype I have a new love for the bosses in Nocturne. Sure it's a mod but having decent AI makes the battles actually fun.

This is why you don't listen to wikis kiddo.

are you retarded? nocturne and the 4 series are set in different universes to the first 2 game, guess that makes them non canon aswell

We did get Vishnu though.

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>Navarre
>useless
For being purely comic relief he's a superb partner
He's the only one that didn't deserve (a second) death

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Do you have any demons with the skill that lets you move a long distance?

Yes they are mainline. Glad you agree.

please sauce this I can not find it anywhere

Use the prepatched version from the smt general on /vg/

>Yea Forums gets filtered by a piss easy dungeon crawler
>getting lost in a game so hard you drop it
Use the one in the OP of the /vg/ threads.

It has been too long
I'm sure I did but my savefile might not be there anymore
One day I'll get back to it, when I forget that god damned range

We already had Jesus as a random enemy on previous games. Hell we just got (again) the Virgin Mary on Redux.

Not him but SMT 1 - 4 are set in the same multiverse hence why they connect through the diamond realm.

>Stephen stands up

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No we got black Flynn. He was so underwhelming as well. But it is still weird you could summon Vishnu on 4 WITH Flynn but retcon!

Then you should be able to disprove Eiji's statement.

but who's to say SJverse isnt a part of the amala network aswell?

>not wanting him to slowly stumble like he has a limp or got straight outta bed to suckerpunch your demons and yourself into a grave
Knives are for pussies and assassins, but I'm being redundant. That fucker has the power of the Axiom on his side, he should be dropkicking people.

I agree. Honestly SMT/MegaTen threads have gotten worse as of late. They aren't even fun to browse and reply, now they are just a chore to go though and becoming as bad as FE where everyone hates all the games and only like 1 or 2.

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Why would this thread be filled with sonyfags when SMT V is Nintendo exclusive.

That's just supposed to be a release timeline not a mainline indicator.

Easy, Atlus has done it three different times now.

Of all the SMT games, yes

Because Eric has been on a shitposting tirade for the 24th preparing screen caps of his own posts "begging" in the event a port isn't announced.

Good SMT threads are rare. The last truly good one was during the 25th anniversary concert with anons reminiscing fondly.

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I should have listened when everyone told me to play Strange Journey. Fuck its a masterpiece. Going through the Horologium now. What could I possibly play next that'll even come close to how good SJ was

By calling everything but SMT 1 to 4 and Apoc a spin off?

Who the fuck is Eric?

Soul Hackers

Nothing from the same series. So suffer.

A diehard sonyfag shitposter who basically attacks anything that isn't Sony.
Joker getting into smash has gotten him scared so he jumped to megaten threads.

No by compiling them together and showing they are mainline.

You niggers exaggerate too much, I swear. We just had a decent thread earlier. You should be grateful we don't have full blown shitfests like other series on this board. Imagine Fire Emblem or Xenoblade levels of autism. Be thankful.
Mentioning Eric doesn't help anyone, whatsoever. You just acknowledge his presence more which fuels him to continue his activities. Let it go guys.

>That music when stepping in to lower Horologium and realizing you're at where the world began, marching forward to set things right or remake it according to your will.
>Completely cut off from the world or outside help.
>Only your crewmates at your back.

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Ah you mean the image of both mainline and non numbered spin offs. No wonder you're confused.

I just woke up so I wasn't in that thread.

What's the best approach to using the broken fusion system in IV?
Like what skills should I 100% try to pass down

4A, Nocturne and SJ are the holy trinity of SMT
It's probably 4fags shitposting again because they know their game is literally the worst in the series and refuse to admit it

>You just acknowledge his presence more which fuels him to continue his activities
You should know that he doesn't do it for attention. If that were the case he would have left years ago.

>people still think a port will be announced
You people are so pathetic.

It's literally been accepted for years that the Persona timeline is an offshoot branching off from If, newfags

>It's probably 4fags shitposting again

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Anyone from /smtg/ remember the cozy streams we had a few years ago? Some user would stream ova's, DDS, Nocturne, and Strange Journey.

SMT4A will fix pretty much every problem you had with 4's gameplay. Story isn't that good either but you might at least enjoy the waifus.

>Most routes in mainline SMT have the same gameplay flow, just skipping a few bosses in the final dungeon or two depending on your alignment.

When are we going to get a game with massive differences between routes?

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Yes SMT games, mainline.
web.archive.org/web/20091004085859/http://touch-ds.jp/crv/vol14/001.html
Just because it doesn't have a numeral doesn't mean it isn't mainline

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Oh. How was your nap user?

Yeah everyone knows that once you get a pixie you instantly give her phys resist and then use her as an onahole

Why don't you fags do that shit anymore?
Now you can get away with streaming pokemon or having a stream dedicated to just chatting to thirsty betas on twitch

I think the streamer got married or something.

Which would make Persona canon to if... in the same way Apoc is for the exact same reasons.
Yet its not on there despite being mainline according to your logic

cringe. kys faggot

Based

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I said that in my post what made you think I didn't know this?

>Zig will never finish DDS2

God, watching him work through DDS on stream felt like playing the game for the first time again. RIP

>nothing about it being mainline
Well you sure showed me.

I've wanted this and have been thinking about it for so long. I'm tired of the usual alignment branch occurring around the 70 to 80 percent mark of the game. There needs to be more changes in the formula, like being able to choose your alignment around the 50% point of the game. Unique dungeons, bosses, equipment, all in each seperate route.

I kind of wish we'd get one that branched like LuCT's law/neutral/chaos routes.

It was okay I guess.

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thank god i don't know who this retarded faggot is.

>Kaneko literally says "fourth work as the main part of the"Shin・Megami Tensei"series." because it's a mainline game

user, that just says it's the fourth title in the series which would be wrong anyway because if is the fourth.

>main part
Yes SMT games are mainline. Glad you can get over this.

Feels like the issue is effort for making enough content for the split or putting at a good enough point where you can still alternate between scenes/bosses based off of alignment choices.
Really each route should unlock a different area and its own set of bosses to do during end game

He was a /smtg/ streamer who hated twitch so he only used livestream. There were about eight or nine of us who were regulars. It was cozy. Sorry, user.

Because the picture isn't a canon timeline, it's a list of mainline games in order of release date. Like half of the spinoff games are connected to the main "timeline" in some way but aren't part of the mainline series.

>because it's a mainline game
Except this line doesn't show up anywhere. Also it would be the fifth in the series not counting maniax which is also listed in your image.

I liked the way Devil Survivor did the route split best

>it's a list of mainline games in order of release date
Yes and Persona 2 shares a continuity with If... making it a mainline title.

why are you sorry? because I didn't have the "privilege" of watching an autistic faggot play games for me? Don't be.

It's not really different to mainline, you just have more routes

Is SJR any good or should I just play the original?

I'm sorry you're mad. That's all. It was a good time, and an easier one.

Yes it does. What part of main work of SMT do you not understand? Your head canon doesn't stop it from being a mainline game.

The new routes make Law and Chaos actually seem like nice choices. In terms of gameplay Redux is easier than regular SJ though. Space Yukiko is annoying but has surprisingly few lines.

Play SJR, it improves over the original

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lmao. yeah. people are mad if they call your names and tell you're a FAGGOT in caps.

Yeah but the routes you unlock depend on the actions you have taken not on some Law/Chaos scale

I would love to stream myself playing the SMT games I haven't played for some anons, and work my way through all the series, but I don't have any time after work
Being a wageslave sucks, this world is beyond salvation

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it's universally accepted by the internet community that caps means you're angry, user.

You played if... now that its been translated right user?

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Except it doesn't say anything about it being mainline. You didn't account for anyone actually reading that let alone understanding nipplish did you.

Yes, if only there were a solution

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It actually does. It's in the first line of text. Even when Kaneko says so you will deny objective truth.

The more I played through SMT, the more I came to like SJ's law and chaos routes. It's a drastic change for the world, but looking at how shit goes down elsewhere, it's not entirely unjustified.

I like the neutral route in the first smt game for snes because it means you have to kill all the bosses. Also, the best weapon is neutral only.

Becuase unlike most edgelords he lives by his word and only wants to be left alone and the only way to achieve that is by creating a new universe.

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It's pretty different
I'd say it's something like this.

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I heard Atlus was remaking SMT1. Can someone sauce me up?

>Even when Kaneko says so
Not him but you do realise that Kaneko had so say on whether or not it was a mainline title right?
Going back to the article that proved you wrong to begin with
>Even Mr. Kazuma Kaneko, who worked with us to design the human and demon characters and pen the original story, backed up the suggestion, saying it was “good enough to be called Shin Megami Tensei IV.”
He WANTED it to be 4 but Eiji gave the final call and Kaneko couldn't dispute that.
Also it's not even the fourth entry into the series so he's wrong as it is.

Why are you still trying to argue this when every possible argument you have has been debunked?

you don't have to kill all the bosses to get the neutral ending, but I understand what you mean.

I only remember them saying they were thinking of remaking Nocturne.

How do the DS games run on emulator? Any slowdown or glitches?

I fucking wish

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why are you retards responding to his terrible bait

>It's in the first line of text
Yeah except he didn't. He refers as SMT as the main series but doesn't call SJ mainline. And to call it the fourth game would be saying if isn't a mainline title either further throwing your argument into disarray.

All the ds games have updated rereleases with more content on the 3ds.

only if you have a toaster. and I mean a really fucking toaster.

thank god we have citra then.

Don’t you dare talk shit about Commander Gore.

It's bullshit

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Kaneko has been longer at Atlus than Eiji. Kaneko says it's a mainline game becasue it is one. Just like Atlus has done three different times. If it wasn't SMT weren't be on the cover

Just Nocturne
Honestly a handful of patches would make it much more appealing and easier to play.

SMT YHWH isn't the creator of the universe, but a superegregore of the concepts of law and order at their most primal forms.

Yeah expect he did. Atlus has shown off all the mainline games and you will deny objective fact. Show me where Atlus has said only 1-4 are SMT games.

Just buy the 3DS games faggot.
Everything except SMT 1-3, Nine, and If got remasters

You need more than a toaster to run DS games though.

I never heard anyone say nocturne is "hard".

Fuck Yahweh
I really want to punch god in the face

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It's the Dark Souls of Persona games

Yes I know which is why I mentioned it.

New 3ds can also play SMT 1/2/IF...
Pretty sure vanilla 3ds fan too with an emulator.

dude. I live in Brazil, my computer is probably 10 years old and I can run any game on desmume withouth slowdown.

>God didn't create the universe.
>YHVH is just another Demi-Urge.
This is dumb.

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That's IV.

I want his jacket.

Is "SJ is mainline" the SJbabby's version of "Hijiri is Aleph"? Both are fucking wrong, yet naive fans have heard them for so long that they take it for granted.

Nocturne is more bullshit than hard.
Hard is
>Fuck I was so close but I fucked up

Bullshit is
>Beast eye
>Beast eye
>Beast eye
>Remove debuffs
>Improve magic
>Improve magic
>Improve magic
>Megidolaon
>Beast eye
>Megidolaon
You died!

just cast tetraja, faggit

>Both are fucking wrong, yet naive fans have heard them for so long that they take it for granted.
Then explain what Hijiri's sin is you fucking faggot.

Great Will is god. Like the actual term.

Yeah and person Satan isn't talking about in DDS2 isn't Aleph also. Not like it's a direct reference or anything.

I did. Sloth dungeon was the worst thing ever.

What's the cut-off point for EX-missions and the Womb of Grief in DSJ?

Meh, I'll get around to it one day

>Kaneko has been longer at Atlus than Eiji.
Which didn't give him superiority over the game. In fact he barely worked on it as it is. Compared to Eiji when it comes to SJ he was a worthless mook.
>Kaneko says it's a mainline game becasue it is one.
Then by that same logic are you saying that if... Isn't mainline? In your article he clearly states 4 titles but 4 predate it making it the fifth. Either he has no say on what's mainline and what isn't it he's wrong which means he can't be trusted to give a proper decision.

>Just like Atlus has done three different times. If it wasn't SMT weren't be on the cover
The SMT title isn't what determines if it's mainline or not, it's literally just the number. Even if you don't believe that the article you posted was invalidated by the existence of SMT4.

Also you should look at the other pages because he calls it a spin off several times throughout.

No, got IV, Soul Hackers and Majin Tensei 2 on the backburner

the only way to cast something similar to tetraja in nocturne is through items.

Then use those items dumbass

>The SMT title isn't what determines if it's mainline or not, it's literally just the number.
Source. Show me where Atlus says that it needs to not only have a number. And they have to say the word mainline with it.

>Show me where Atlus has said only 1-4 are SMT games.
Who the fuck said that only numbered titles are smt games?
You're being told that smt can have non numbered spin offs like SJ and If... not that they aren't smt you fucking moron and that shit was alreadu in that same article you've been directed to over and over again, literally everything that destroys your idea of it being mainline is in that

>retronauts.com/article/906/embarking-on-a-strange-journey-redux?amphtml=1
>The promotional staff at the time judged the game to have high enough quality to be marketed as a numbered title, so they suggested selling it as a numbered SMT game.

I have a 3DS but it feels uncomfortable to play it for hours on end. It's fine for a burst of Animal Crossing or WarioWare here and there, but I really like to sink hours at a time into JRPGs.

Guess I didn't have to

If a game doesn't answer the question it presents, nor offers the possibility of a sequel or source that does, that's the fault of the game, not me. Not my fault some faggot FAQ writer's words are law to you plebs.

I don't remember anything about that, but then again I never played DDS2's extra content.

Oh and because I know you won't read it this is the question he was asked
>I've heard rumors that Strange Journey was originally intended to be published as Shin Megami Tensei 4, but was turned into a non-numbered spinoff instead

Where's the word mainline?

It's not my fault you're incapable of picking up the extremely heavy-handed hints.
The series goes in depth about reincarnation, the lady in black talks about reincarnation, Hijiri looks just like Aleph with facial hair, and he's suffering in every reincarnation because of an "ultimate sin".
Gee I fucking wonder who looks like Hijiri who's also committed the Ultimate Sin.

Clearly his sin was farting on a bible once in a past life and now he has to suffer forever.

I heard you can fight the nocturne's protagonist. What other extra does it have? I'm playing the first dds right now.

Mainline is SMT, as shown here

in-game reason
>Velvet Room had a full hostile takeover with one of the attendants being split in half and Igor thrown in jail for nearly half a year
outside reason
>Igor's VA is fucking dead and if they hope to do any content at all involving the Velvet Room in Royal we're going to need someone there
they can't keep reusing audio forever.

they are rare and costs too much

>I don't remember anything about that, but then again I never played DDS2's extra content

>I am Satan, the one who stands below God the judge. I see you have chosen to retaliate, just as that man did. Then prepare, Seraph, to receive God's eternal punishment of damnation!

Good lord.
Look, if you use that image you're saying Kaneko is wrong. If you're saying Kaneko is right then that image is wrong.
You're presenting contradictory evidence from people who barely worked on SJ to begin with.

>being a hoarder

That images shows the mainline games yes. This is objective fact. That video also shows the mainline games.

They were asked what makes a true, aka mainline, SMT game user.
Eiji then said it wasn't while saying it had no connection continuity wise.

Sorry Remiel, did I offend your Junior Detective Skills?
Yes, the series goes into reincarnation. With more people than Aleph, before and after Aleph. You're grasping at straws if you think Aleph looks like Hijiri. For one, you're mistaking dreadlocks for mullets, and Hijiri has darker skin. Not by much, admittedly, but just enough to discount the resemblance.

That's the first DDS, and it requires a second play through, if I remember correctly.

I mean, the four angels explicitly refer to events in SMTII in DDS, so that's a lot more heavy handed than "Looks like a mulleted guy in yellow chaps if you squint really hard." Still, I'd be ready to brush it off as fanservice, easily.

What is the word mainline then?

>Sorry Remiel, did I offend your Junior Detective Skills?
You offended the phrase "common sense" by not employing it.
The ultimate sin is deicide, or the complete rejection of God.
Considering who Hijiri looks like, the only other option other than "he's a reincarnation of Aleph" is "he's the reincarnation of a guy who looks exactly like Aleph and killed YHVH just like Aleph."
>Nitpicking slight differences due to age and personality
Hijiri spends more time in the sun doing journalist bullshit and doesn't shave, suck my dick faggot.

Never heard of synonyms?
It doesn't need to say mainline 1 to 1 simply saying "true" is enough to make the distinction.

If that's true then Kaneko is wrong for saying there are only 3 predating SJ.
If there are only 3 mainline titles predating SJ then two of these
SMT 1
SMT 2
If...
Nine
Or Nocturne
Aren't considered mainline titles and if that's the case then your image contains more than just mainline titles.

Do you get it yet?
Both of them can't be right.

This. It's an endless dungeon with a massive encounter ratr that gates all the good skills at the end of the game. The magatama system is shit and the only reason people would disagree is if they looked up all the abilities beforehand. Fusion is peak RNG bullshit because of hidden inheritances and everyone having dia or zio which you can never stop getting on all your other demons like it's skill AIDS.

It's cool because it was the start of SMT really being a hit but the series just got better over time.

Mainline is a made up word then if Atlus doesn't say so.

So you admit you admit to being wrong then. Glad this is over.

Even if deny Hijiri being Aleph outright, it's no doubt a reference to II

No because SJ is mainline as shown over and over three different times

Kaneko just forgot, still shows it's mainline.