Claims to play fire emblem

>claims to play fire emblem
>save states on sub 80 hit rates and rigs crits
>arena abuses
>resets for every death, doesnt care if recruitable character dies
I seriously hope none of you do this

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>claims to play fire emblem
>doesn't
I seriously hope none of you do this

Imagine playing Fire Emblem

>claims to play Fire Emblem
>doesn't actually own any of the fucking games

>get to end of long level
>character that is useful but not a top member of your army dies
>You've already had to restart because your lord got whacked by the boss
Do you reset?

...People actually play Fire Emblem?

Every single time. I'm not letting any of my men die.

There's already a thread up about your shitty series you fucking retard

What's fire emblem

Yes. It means I failed if I can end with everyone alive.

>>resets for every death
Yes? Are you saying you keep trucking on if you let a shitter like Dorcas or Mia die because of your shitty tactics?

Nope, deaths are deaths to me unless its a legitimate fuck up in the first turn like a misclick or equiping the wrong item, forgetting barrier etc.

This. Shit series should have died long ago

>plays Fire Emblem
I seriously hope none of you do this

>mia
>shitter

gimme yo fuckin address nigga

Sadly yes

A terrible series with a obsessed and cringy fanbase

truly no fate is worse than being a FEfag

I'm going to ironman conquest lunatic, what should my Corrin's class and S rank be?

>not playing Metal Gear Acid instead

>resets for every death, doesnt care if recruitable character dies
Literally nothing wrong with this.

>tfw started conquest on hard mode fresh to the series.
>Takes 3 hours of attempts every map.

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Have you reached chapter 18 yet?

Nope. Just did Ice Tribe.

She's only good in RD. She's utter garbage in PoR, just like the entire game.

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>resets for every death

You're goddamn right I do. No shame.

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Mia is absolute trash in PoR and only ok in RD

That one's not that bad, if you don't play like the game wants you to and start with everyone on the same side.

Well, I hope chapter 10/12 don't whack you too badly.

Just play on normal, that's a good difficulty too.

I do all this and I even load states if a character I like gets a bad level up. Seethe more.

If you are having trouble on hard just stop playing video games all together. Causal CQ is a joke.

Conquest on hard makes the other two fates games, especially revelations, literal slogs.

yeah

I keep doing really complicated bullshit when the proper solution is just to bumrush.

I gave it a chance and it failed
Series is easy and boring and getting milked. Rule34 is good though

>Watching FE video on YT to see how someone beat a chapter I'm stuck on
>player just abuses save states and rerolls for stats
>Abuses arena and max levels everyone
>Just brute forces the whole chapter
>HAHA LOOK AT HOW GOOD I AM AT FE YOU GUYS!
>Goes online to post on threads about how shitty other players are and how every chapter is easy
These people need to be gassed.

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>Lyn OP image

Absolutely disgusting.

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That's true for half of CQ's maps, especially shit like Fuga where the optimal strategy is to let your royals, and only royals, destroy everything.

claims to play fire emblem
I do.

>save states on sub 80 hit rates and rigs crits
I play on the original game, not an emulated version, so it's not possible.

>arena abuses
Boss abuse pic related in 1-7 so I can use her later. Also use Exponential Growth DLC in Awakening. Have never played a FE with an Arena.

>resets for every death, doesnt care if recruitable character dies
I always reset upon unit death, and always recruit everyone.

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There's no "complicated tactics" you can do at that point. You dont have full access to double dance

What game did you get stuck on? I played 7 and wanted to kms for how easy it was

>player just abuses save states and rerolls for stats
Who the fuck would do that on youtube?

>gets angry over Mia, ignores fucking Dorcas, supreme beef with an axe to grind.

Learn to value characters more than the degree to which they make your dick hard.

Best boy.

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Why do you care how someone else plays a single player game?

make sure to buy speed tonics to hit speed benchmarks and hp tonics to reach tanking benchmarks, always be forging, make sure you make good use of the shield gauge, dual strikes are nice but sometimes you just need the extra stat boost from pair up more than you need extra player phase actions, messhall is broken, use plenty of passive effects like elise personal skill and silas vow of friendship to cheese early game chapters, and most importantly have some fun.

>look up LTC of chapter to see if I can utilize some of their tactics
>they do a rescue chain that they planned out ten stages ago with min-maxed characters
I don't know what I expected.
Bumrushing needs to be planned so that your units won't die and tools are abused to minimize threats. A strategy to use in the Ice Tribe stage is to use Elise's freeze staff to prevent the soldier from spawning two houses on the left side of the map and to kill mages with Niles/Zero.

I've seen several people do it. Last time I saw it, someone was playing Order of the Crimson Arm/Tacthack.
I was watching someone play Roy's game on hard. It's the only one that really makes you use your brain if you're not arena abusing.

I'll play however I want motherfucker I am strictly looking to be entertained

i remember not using fliers or pre promoted units on my first run of fe 7. good lord i was awful at fe back then...

>Long ass chapter
>Doing great work, killing one enemy after another
>Just few guys left
>One of them crits with 1% chance killing one of my men
Perma death was a mistake, good thing they changed it

Conquest on Hard is literally harder than Awakening on Lunatic. Towards the end of the game it goes absolutely insane, and Lunatic is even worse.

>His first game was Awakening

The worst chapter for me as, literally, Hinoka.
I hated that fucking chapter so damn much even if it's finished in 5-7 turns.

watch dd151 0% growths. very rng heavy but its always consistent statwise since theres no level up rng.

it's the only game I finished

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no it doesn't. CQ is easy from beginning to end. last 1/3 of the game don't even give anti turtle incentives

>resets for every death
It's called being autistic, I want my entire army in tact. It also made me better since reseting is fucking annoying.

what chapter were you stuck on?

3 months later and I still haven't finished the last level of conquest on hard. Accidentally used my rescue staves, and I can't be fucked replaying it again.

You need more than speed tonics. You should never not be buying tonics in addition to forging bronze weapons

>me critting the enemy is fair
>me being crit is bullshit and im resetting
stop being such a baby

I understand that grinding is in the games now so little billy can beat the game without having to think too hard, but I feel like the map design went to shit from Awakening onward cause they just expected you to grind until your stats were bigger than their stats, instead of creating a linear campaign where you're expected to manage units and terrain effectively.

Not like you online castle access or anything. Just solo with Marx, it's not even difficult on hard

For me it was Possessed with lots of stressful 'timers' with the reinforcements. Ryoma was also pretty stressful but you don't need to actually do any of it unless your corrin sucks, so I did one full side and half of the other. That stage would be some shit in 0% growths though.
His Thracia LTC? That was really fucking good to watch.

Oh yeah I was right about to buy an ice staff right before (I used up all of mine in the forest because I didn't know you could run out and it would carry over) but then I thought it was too expensive. Was screeching cause I really wanted to get three houses safe, but that required some complicated bullshit of getting both my horses to the other side of the map without getting ganked by mages. I also tried splitting into two groups to get the top one too.
Wait is it possible to make it unwinnable?

>marx
lol(

He fucking sucks

Yes a OP unit

No, he just wants to cheese it instead of actually playing it.

I don't think the online castles sell rescue staves. and Xander is max level but gets his shit pushed in easy.

No, it's not unwinnable you just need to move fast

Literally just reclass Joker to Cav and use freeze staffs once. How the fuck could you find the Ch.8 difficult?

The last chapter is probably the worst designed piece of shit in the whole campaign, it's either a really small rush you cheese with staves or the longest and most boring piece of shit ever.

you got money, might as well spend it. and i said speed tonics specifically for speed benchmarks.

Yikes

Nah. I got fucked by RNG and want it over with.

I personally did an guarded push on the left with all of my royals for that and finished the boss with Corrin and Ophelia with Excalibur.

>tfw watched a YT video about which game to start with
>Video says games are super hard, deep and have permadeath not for newbies
>"Start with 7, It has a great tutorial"
>Tutorial is 2 hours~ long, explaining basic shit, legit thought the game was over when I finished it
>tfw unironically one of the easiest games I have ever played, they even give you a lv3 knight from the start that 1shots everything for 70% of the game

Anyone who wants to play fire emblem but good should play the battle for Wesnoth, thank me never

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They do. Dawn shops sell them. And Marx at max can easily do it

FE being difficult is a meme by FEtards since they are dumb as rocks. Only New Mystery comes the closest to being challenging if played casually on lunatic

I'm fucking feeling that. I completed Rev, and Birthright on hard, but this is mind blowing.
I'll get looking on that, but I refuse to call Xander the same name as the proponent of communism.

Same situation for me in Lunatic without DLC use, but I don't even feel bad about it, fuck that map in the ass. Three Houses better not be as bullshit.

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Endgames being shit is a staple of FE.

Wesnoth's bullshit RNG makes Fire Emblem's look good.

Who is actually this level 3 knight you're talking about? Oswin starts at a higher level and Marcus is a paladin.

new mystery is a much better game with a much much better tutorial and more flexibility when it comes to weapons, stats, classes etc. its more barebones in that theres no canto or rescue but the game will challenge you while also always giving you multiple options to solve a problem. play hard mode since normal mode uses stats from the old fe3 which are super low. thracia is also difficult but in a more unfair way. roy hard mode is pretty good but you will have to deal with HUGE maps and bad hitrates throughout the game.

Conquest on hard is harder than the other two on lunatic and I mean it. BR is still braindead and rev is still the same boring turtle runs.

Is there a single FE game with a god tier Endgame map?

7 in jap comes the closest but stats are fucking pathetic since they aren't capped, It's the only one you can't cheese

I made the mistake of playing conquest first which playing the others afterwards had me thinking " Where are the enemy skills?"

How do I play FE12 on lunatic? In other FE games I can win 100% of the time but in FE12 I have to gamble on imperfect hit rates, risk getting crit, etc. Am I not supposed to be able to play from start to finish? Or am I just missing some mechanics on how to get good? Please help.

More like
>where is the strategy
The three games follow the
>more reinforcements=harder
philosophy but only conquest does something with them.

It's not even hard if you can one turn it without thinking

Most of 10's endgame is pretty good. It has my favourite final boss of the series.

Imagine sex with _______

>claims to play fire emblem
>resets when something doesn't go his way
>doesn't make the best of a bad situation
>claims he "saved everyone" but only because he reset whenever they got them killed
Absolute state of "gamers". If you don't play Fire Emblem Ironman you don't play Fire Emblem.

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endgame 1 3 4 and 5 are ass
Bk fight was the only good thing about it

>Laguz royal garbage
>good
Part 4 is pure shit and especially the final map

incorrect

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Considering how piss poor the strategy part is, I'd rather treat the games as puzzles.

>gamble on imperfect hit rates
What? It's near impossible to not have 90% hit rates all the time in the DS games due to the different formula they use
>risk getting crit,
Luck stat
Just git gud and use your brain

>look up LTC of chapter to see if I can utilize some of their tactics
>they have a fraction of a chance of winning
LTCs are dumb and don't show good fire emblem play at all

Yeah, as soon as you move a few squares four more from all directions.

>get given crutch characters
>use them
>woooow why are these characters overpowered

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>don't use these characters and the shitty level design becomes good
The state of FEfags

That's really my only real issue with conquest, instead of making actually hard maps, which they were at times, it relied too much on borderline infinite reinforcements every couple of turns or so.

>Considering how piss poor I am at the strategy part, I'd rather treat the games as puzzles.
fixd for accuracy

90% hit rates aren't 100%, luck increases randomly.
Have you beat it from start to finish without resetting? Or are there recordings online? I've tried using my brain and it's got me nowhere, I give up.

So don't fucking take any royals like a scrub then.

>random mook crits a valuable unit, something you have absolutely no control over
>RNG has affected your entire playthrough drastically
If you want to impose challenge on yourself then fine by me but don't get cocky for playing your shitty tactics game with an specific playset on mind

Yes retard. The games are much more fun if enemies have a chance of killing you. That is how it works.

CQ doesn't do infinite reinforcement spam

>FE12 ironman
Yeah have fun with that

>resets for every death
>doesn't care if recruitable character dies

wait so do you want me to reset on a death or not?

Eternal Stair and Siegbert's chapter do

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part 4 and endgame are still garbage without the royals

How does that fix the shit level design? How does that fix RD being a bad game post part1? How does that fix the shitty endgame map you can one turn? How does that fix you are a casual brainlet who doesn't do efficiency runs?

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you need to understand ai mechanics. the 2 biggest mechanics is that AI will go for whoever they can damage most but will ignore killing a target if they have a crit chance on another target that is higher. the crit chance will only be prioritized if the critical attack will 1 shot the player unit, otherwise they will go for the most possible damage and potentially a kill. the only exception to damage stacking is if the ai unit can never kill with other ai units in their group. if a reinforcement + a predeployed unit can damage stack to kill a unit, often times they can be tricked by crit chance or by higher damage elsewhere, however AI that comes in groups like predeployed in the same area or reinforcements as a group will try to damage stack. the AI does damage calculation before they take WTA into mind. im sure you know how wta works in fe12 but you need to keep in mind the weapon rank bonus being negated by wta isnt considered by the AI when choosing a target. knowing all of this, you can make your strategies more reliable.

And crits that oneshot you don't? Don't even get me started nigger

pic related raped everything in that game his name is Oswin the unrelenting

I heard thracia is a meme game, question is which game has the best story? Is path of radiance good?

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I said borderline, for the turns it should take you, Fuga's village, Hinoka or possession may as well have them.

Chapter 14, the desert. I hate fog of war and I was trying to get all the treasure and kept randomly losing units because I couldn't see where everything was at a time.

I wanna FUCK Mia

No actually using shitty units doesn't make part 4 good all it does is waste your time

>Is path of radiance good?
Unless you really like bad games don't touch PoR. It's a VN not a game

>Siegbert's chapter on lunatic after all the enemies are promoted

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Interesting

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VN can be good, is it?

>the crit chance will only be prioritized if the critical attack will 1 shot the player unit, otherwise they will go for the most possible damage and potentially a kill.
Okay but if you want to play the game without resetting you can't take those risks, it's not a trick it's a trap.
I've already figured out how to bait enemies so they attack a unit with lower defense instead of ganging up on someone they can 2hko (worked wonders in fe11), but my issue is that the numbers don't work in FE12 like they do in FE11. It doesn't add up, I'm risking death in every chapter and I don't feel like I deserve to win after beating a chapter this way.

Yeah, Path of Radiance is great. It and FE4 have the best stories in the series, though PoR is a lot more verbose. And even though RD is a big step down in terms of story and characterization, it's also worth playing after PoR.

Chapter restarts are fair since it punishes you by wasting your time or you have to suck it up and move on. Save states isn't even an in-game thing, that's downright cheating.

por is absolute shit no matter what reddit says. enemies are extremely bulky, cavs are broken as fuck, everything uses 1-2 range weapons, SEIGE TOMES, staff spam becomes unbearable the reinforcements are stupidly paced, the game looks bad, ike sucks balls for like 60% of the game, and to top it all off, even after all this the game is still stupid easy because of the low enemy quality. its mostly just annoyances. thracia isnt really a meme game but there are lots of new player traps and a few bs situations like the escape chapters and pursuit criticals. stamina isnt as bad as people say it is and the low growths dont matter because of stat caps and scrolls. its a game that gets better every subsequent playthrough.

save states are cheating. the rest is fine

Anyone that fails any level on Conquest on any difficulty below Lunatic should just neck themselves.

Wyvern rider
Jakob

I save state at the start of the battles so when I fuck up I dont have to reset the emulator, as for letting characters die it all depends,.Characters like Erk I would always restart if they die no matter how far in I was. But the Pegasus riders can go fuck themselves

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>Lyn
Bottom of the barrel normalfag taste my dude.

Also I only reset if I can't recruit someone, if they or anyone unimportant dies after idgaf.

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i never reset for level ups and usually dont reset unless someone really important dies, but my extra screwed ike really had me tempted...

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>Character gets a god like level up
>Have to reset
>Characters now gets a shit level up

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>10 str at lvl 17

Holy fuck.

PoR is great, the fuck is this VN meme now?

this kinda shit right here is EXCATLY why I play on casual/with savestates.
That and I hate redoing entire maps when someone dies.

If you don't like random growths, try playing with 0% growths.

yeah, the only really bad thing about PoR is how fucking expensive it is to find a legit copy. hundreds of fucking dollars last i checked. I wish Nintendo would just give us virtual console with Gamecube games already.

I'm sorry user but goddamn

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>character gets a godlike level up
>another 4 characters die that same turn
>keep going anyways to keep the godlike level up

Emulate it

fuck that PoR needs a remaster
I can't stand waiting for minutes just for the enemy phase to end

I don't feel like it. I'd rather play console games from that gen onward on the actual hardware.

>5 mag
Ike getting ready to cast them spells and use that windsword, my man.

>even with battle animations "off" PoR takes forever

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I love Mia in RD but you have to admit user that she's pretty garbage in PoR.

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>one of the few characters who can reliably double out of the gate on Hard RD
>functionally invincible with Ike support
>only ok

>inb4
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>resets for every death, doesnt care if recruitable character dies
This seems like a contradictory statement...

>swordlocked unit in a mode without weapon triangle

Yea, she's just OK.

Wow... I commend you for not reseting.

To be fair % to hit is a shitty system. That’s why Advance Wars is better than Fem Blem.

Tiki is CUTE

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resets for player unit deaths, doesnt reset if they miss a recruitment

>Resetting for Erk, a character made worthless by the existence of Pent.
>Not resetting for Pegasus Knights, some of the most useful units in any FE game with Rescue.

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I know what he meant by that, I just don't understand what kind of person would do one but not the other.

>>>>>pic
almost makes me want to reinstall feh just to play with her a bit, to bad game is totally shit right now

Those fucking hips

Hum... He probably meant if the recruitable character hasn't joined your army yet.

>right now
It has been shit since the beginning.

Just play RD my dude.

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>Erk is worthless because Pent
>even though Pent comes in 10+ chapters later

k

WE ARE NOT LEAVING ANYONE BEHIND!!

PoR probably has the most effort put into its story and narrative, even though it's still fairly bog standard Fire Emblem. NA hard is jap normal so you'd want to start on hard to get anything out of the gameplay. You can play jap hard Maniac mode on an emulator, but that can turn into a bit of a slog past the halfway point so I wouldn't recommend it for a first time play

>good character is useless because theres another good character much later in the game

Lmao this tbqh.

>resets for every death, doesn't care if recruitable character dies
Aren't these two contradictory?

>maniac mode
>bit of a slog

That's the understatement of the century right there.

FE games died for me the moment I realised they're not a strategy game, but rather a puzzle with very limited options

You have Lucius for your magic needs in the early game.

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I really liked the game before cyl2. After that banner everything took the steepest fucking nose dive ive ever seen a gacha take.

>Using Priscilla as healer
>First Classic Mode Fire emblem
>She Saved my ass many of times and clutch criticals
>Final Boss
>Fucking dies because of my incompetence of placement
>Doesn't restart because I don't want to do it again
I'M SORRY, hope my playthough of Sacred Stones is better

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very gay

Who's also later than Erk by a few chapters and has light magic which is shittier than anima.

Fire Emblem is boring, change my mind.

>light magic which is shittier than anima.
>More accurate
>counters dark

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The troubadour in 8 is significantly better so you better not lose her.

Why is Marth's wife such a complete and total whore?

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Some series are not for everyone

If I missed something or got somebody killed I just restart the chapter if I feel like it. Ironman runs are for later playthroughs.
Don't put the dancer in Selena's range.

>accuracy mattering with true hit past 6
>needing to use the magic triangle at all
>no equivalent of thunder in light

Don't be dumb, at least dark has high might and luna, light has nothing.

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>muh axes
>in a game with 1-2 range phys swords
>over a character that can stack adept, vantage, astra, and has innate crit
Let's at least just agree that she's better than RD Boyd

>tfw finally deciding to check a walkthrough 6 chpaters into the game realizing I missed a paralogue already
Welp, I guess I don't like bald old men that much

Yes. Casualties mean I failed to find an actually good strategy.

Why the fuck does anyone like any of the Laguz other than the birds and Nailah? Their designs are fucking awful.

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Bros, I NEED a Genealogy remake right now. Literally all they need to do is add a trading system between characters, and it’d be perfect. The music, story, and world building are some of the greatest in the series. All they need to do is give it the Echoes treatment, and I’d buy a Switch guaranteed.

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Wind swords have awful might and almost no fucking uses.

Also no, Boyd's my boy, and he's got axes, aka the best weapon type.

I understand how good the Pegasus became late game, but keeping them alive is a pain in the ass they need at least two bodyguards to make sure they dont get bodied themselves

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>comes later
>worse tomes
>thunder tome more than makes up for any damage lacking from magic stat
>enemy speed stat low enough that it wont prevent erk from doubling after a couple speed levels
>only real benefit over sage promotion is staff rank
theres no advantage of using lucius over erk and vice versa

Maybe I'm biased since I once had a Florina who ended up stronger than my Hector, but the trick is to feed them weakened enemies and use them as mage killers.

>theres no advantage of using lucius over erk
Support with Raven

>mage killer

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read the thread
the low might and the lack of an early thunder tome really holds back light magic. wta doesnt really mean much since mages kinda suck at fighting mages anyways.

You got something against mage-killers, bud?

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Might doesn't matter when everything explodes into a pile of gibs anyway and wind swords are a dime a dozen at the shop

Who gives a shit when he can't hit anything and has no spd. He doesn't even have a horse so you can't wank off about axe canto either. Rolf is more useful than that turd since he can at least use a ballista in the defense map and you're not going to accidentally put him on the frontlines and have him explode in a shower of gore like what inevitably happens to Boyd

Lethe and her sister are cute.

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It's a stupid term, if you're using any unit just to kill magic users you're using them wrong.

The dragons look alright.

"palla is a mage killer because she has 5% resistance"

Of course, and fuck people who suggest it's the same as playing on the mode where units can't actually die.

its one of the few FE games where mage killer is an actual role. have you seen the magic spam in HHM?

Most of the spam is just bishops which do like 1 damage to units with 4 res. There's very few magic threats that need to be focused outside Ursula.

>everything explodes into a pile of gibs
are we talking about the same game? radiant dawn enemies are obnoxiously bulky and low quality.
i generally agree with the sentiment but there are legitimate maps in fe 7 where you need res tanks and people who can one shot magic users.

you obviously never played genesis, cog of destiny, night of farewells, pirate ship (which marcus can basically solo all the shamans on tbf), the final map, victory or death, or that other kishuna map really late in the game on hector hard mode. they are filled to the brim with good magic units and the cog of destiny valks are bullshit.

>fire emblem girl
>wearing panties

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ive considered masturbating to lethe. Im i a furry now?

only if its to her cat form

This is objectively true.

The only Gamecube games I ever misplaced were Master Quest and PoR. Pissed me off.

How can games with bad gameplay be great?

what the FUCK were they thinking when they made wyverns?
>13 range when your highest move units are 10 move
>need 20 speed to double them which is only really possible with avatar, caeda, catria, or reclassing a prepromote to swordmaster
>cant WTA them
>insane hit rates (above 60 on my sword master luke)
>huge hp pools make 1 shotting impossible without forged dragon pike or excalibur
>wendel etzel and merric (excalibur users) all get doubled by them at base
>ON A DESERT MAP

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Based and Tikipilled!

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You use a unit wiht decent defense as bait and then you destroy them, it isn't that hard

Just use (forged) bows. Hunters are really good in FE12 and Horsemen have the same speed cap as Swordmasters.

>no higher res version

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>just face tank 13 wyverns on the same map all over the map setting up kills
if i wanted to turtle i would play shadow dragon. not to mention half of these things cant be baited alone since they are set to attack you only when you move onto active tiles that pull them out as a group.
i already made one for jeorge and for my warren, i dont have any horsemen yet. this also wont help at all when they become ambush spawns next map and when they become 1-2 range in lunatic

>and when they become 1-2 range in lunatic
They get 1-2 range on Lunatic?
That's some real bullshit. Looking forward to playing Lunatic myself.

And also fix the garbage gameplay

lunatic in general is BS. it removes viability from half the cast in a game where theres already tons of shitters in hard mode. i was thinking about doing a maniac iron man but even that seems impossible with the shit speed stat of most replacement units.

The story of Ike the mary sue isn't a good one. And he's talking gameplay, PoR plays like shit.

>awakening is my first game in the series
>inadvertently grind everyone to insane levels trying to get all the support conversations

I'm sorry for killing FE but can you really blame me when they shower you with throwaway fights even if you don't buy the grinding items?

for fire emblem standards in general, it was a pretty good story that checked a lot of boxes.

>completely lost the will to play after saving zophiel
Help

just stop playing, you already beat all the enjoyable chapters in the game

And FE standards is the lowest you can go for quality

How much until the end?, i really feel like i have to many units by now

Here

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iirc all you have left is ninos gaiden chapter, pale flower of darkness, cog of destiny, promotion map, sands of time, victory or death, the value of your life, and the end game. all of which suck

>for the turns it should take you,
If you are shit at the game

Why would I restart when they get revived next turn?