Has any series' reputation ever done a complete 180 as quickly as Fire Emblem...

You mean Nintendo for marketing it poorly? Also you nu-FEfags sure get triggered when anyone criticize the post-awakening games.

No, the hate started in 2015 and didn't reach its critical point until 2017

Quick question, What order should I play the 3DS titles?

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holy shit fire emblem is saved

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>Awakening
>Echoes
>Conquest (Optional)

Thanks.

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>ironic weeaboo waifu franchise
I love how this shit board always spreads misinformation. FE has always since the very first game been waifushit. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

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Thank YOU

This

Word-of-mouth can still be powerful in lieu of advertising.

>Fire Emblem
>Hardcore

>the ultimate zoomer ironic weeaboo waifu
That's a lot of buzzwords kid

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This but lose the 'optional'. The story in conquest is shit but it doesn't matter because it has the best mechanics and maps of any fire emblem, which you'll need as a refresher after the dogshit maps of SoV.

Why is Marth's wife such a slut?

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Good advertising would help too.

I bought Shadow Dragon without even realizing it was a Japanese game and played it like some western tactical RPG
Would do again, New Mystery is my favorite in the series even though it took years for me to realize it existed

Conquest is all you need.

Whoops

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Because only one as chad as Marth got her to settle down, no other man on the continent would have been able to handle her. Marth is Descended from the chad Marcelus who took his brother's wife as his own and cucked his brother so hard the bloodline ended.

Super Smash Bros. was as big of advertising as it gets, and Ike's games still tanked so badly that only Thracia 776 sold worse than them.

If anything, Ike is only still remembered because of Smash memes.

>ironic weeaboo
I keep seeing this but I dont know nani the fuck it means ~desu~

I need it to be July already

>A few years ago it was considered one of the more underrated, hardcore, and waifu heavy Nintendo series. Now it's considered the ultimate ironic weeaboo casual franchise because of gacha shit, Phoenix Mode, and censorship.
Fixed for accuracy.

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Are you stupid? Brawl came out after Radiant Dawn.

based kaga

I understand that the map is wide open because it's just a tutorial, and from what I've seen of this game, the maps get absolutely fucking bonkers by the end, but they really should've included one more map in the demo to make it clear that the design was going to get better than "wide open field with a few bandits scattered about."

keep them coming, i don't think anything more will come out of this thread

To advertise it and also Path of Radiance, since the Wii could still run GCN games. Not even Brawl got people liking Ike, especially when they bothered to play his games and realized what utter trash they were.

The Marth remakes were literally IS apologizing to Japan for the Ike duology, because they know Marth sells. And he sold enough to keep FE going for a while until it was time to do something different to save it.

>Marth sells
but why?

I think it's a Japanese thing. They're very traditional. Original thing always has to be worshipped.

>waifu heavy
I don't remember older games having a customisable avatar that could marry any playable female.
Could you refresh my memory?

Same reason Pikachu does: nostalgia for the original game. The original Mystery of the Emblem is still among the highest-selling FE, if not THE highest. And Awakening's entire pre-release advertising was all about pushing "Marth" inexplicably coming back.

>Conquest
>Optional

It's the best FE game on the 3DS. GTFO here with your horrible taste

>Phoenix Mode
I always forget this exists.

I never saw more than one copy of these game in a game store, i don't think they tanked so much as they didn't make any fucking copies of the game, had no faith in it, and never reupped the supply of the games. They're worth over $70 in the states for a fucking reason.

whether or not your self-insert can marry an NPC or even if there's an insert at all has no effect on whether or not a character is held to be waifu material.

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You don't need a playable self-insert in order to become infatuated with a game's characters, user. You'd know this if you weren't a chick.

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>hardcore
>Blazing Sword
>Sacred Stones
>Path of Radiance
>Radiant Dawn
At least play New Mystery or something.

I imagine they put more effort into selling it in Japan.

Isn't that interesting? The least selling FE had no effort put into selling to the west.
Then you got fucking awakening, which had advertising out the ass for the west, on top of even still low shipments and selling out early on which only created shortages and higher demand and sold extremely fucking well.

All the had to do was make Ike's game fucking available at all and it would have sold.

They still didn't give a shit about the West when they made Ike's games. Nintendo didn't actually start taking them into account until Awakening. And even in Japan, Ike's games sold miserably regardless.

Ike was a failure, plain and simple.

And Ike is still super popular in the West. They're fucking retarded and let their potential money maker game fail.

>and also Path of Radiance
Why would they advertise something out of print, you cretin? Stop with your inane revisionism.

>echoes
No one should play that massive piece of shit.

They are actually good, by FE standards

Also, while Thracia is the lowest-selling FE, most of that comes from trying to push a SNES game as a digital download (using a flashcart to take it off kiosks) well into the N64 era, and yet it was still popular enough for Nintendo to give it an sctual physical release in fucking 2000.

Why not?`

The gameplay is fucking ass. It's a great example of sometimes being too true to the original. Incredibly bland, wide plains maps, the stupid choke fortress when rescuing Maltida, the slow as fuck desert maps, and the poison swamp are all things you encounter early and drag the game to a miserable crawl.

Oh yeah, and in many of those slow slog maps the enemy leader can summon infinite waves of enemies to come attack you and is also sitting on a defensive healing tile, because fuck you that's why.

...sounds like standard FE fare

obsessed

It's a bad game. Why else. And stop being so obsessed.

Get a better buzzword.

It's weird. Exactly why did the West (ie casuals) suddenly start giving a shit about FE when Awakening rolled around? Even if you were to account for Melee sparking interest enough for them to bring the GBA games and smashfags already owning a gamecube, it was still a pretty niche series.

Imagine not being able to understand the word buzzword you deflect. Echoescucks really are obsessed

Speak English, Pablo.
And while you're at it, why don't you tell me how Echoes is any worse than the standand FE title?

Except that the two modern games, mostly maligned by the old school crowd, did away with that shit and are better for it. Not saying awakening/fates are perfect by any stretch, but the tough points in conquest had me actually thinking about how I would approach a map instead of just painstakingly grinding my way through summons that weren't really a threat.

A good map changes how you approach the game and changes your strategy/goals, a map that just halves the movement speed of everyone is just slow, and adds nothing to the game other than frustration. I loved the artwork, the characters, the music, and the animations of SoV, but it will always be extremely low on my replay list simply because of how much of a pain the actual game part is.

Imagine not being able to understand the word buzzword you deflect. Echoescucks really are obsessed, well FEtards in general. Watch

Imagine having to re-write your reply because it keeps getting deleted.

See you literally keep proving that you are obsessed. This is objective fact that playing FE actually makes you dumber as a person.

>Ike's
>Marth's
It was both, really.
FE12 (the game before Awakening) wasn't even released in English

take your pills gramps

Obsessed

It bombed in the West. Wtf are you talking about. Ike is popular only with contrarians on Yea Forums and reddit.

I would say that's a big part due to where it was released in the timeline of the ds and 3ds

Japan still didn't give a shit about the West when they made FE12. It sold decently in Japan and it was all that mattered to them.

Anyone that's every played a Smash game knows about Ike

When was Fire Emblem hardcore?

Shadow Dragon

It never was. Ever. People either played the GBA ones when they were dumb kids and that made it harder or they're simply lying to you. This series has never been difficult.

Just because you can name a character does not mean that you like their game. I would bet that only 1% of the people who play Smash would even be able to play Ike's game for more than 10 minutes.

2 things

>portable FE with 3D animations for combat
>support system that allows you to have children units

You're right, but they'd tell you that they liked it and were a fan of it.

On most games that have the option, Lunatic difficulty.

That or trying to play the game while keeping everyone alive which forced many of resets of the machines for players.

Regardless if people actually played the games, Ike is still a well-known character. Ike and Lyn fucking trounced the Fateswakeing rosters when it comes to the popularity polls.

I know that some people on this site arent old enough to remember this, but there was actually a time before melee

My point is that Fire emblem PoR and RD are not good games compared to Awakening and Birthright/Conquest. Those games are popular and easier to play and are thus better games that sell better. Ike's games may be better "Fire Emblem" games but are not good in reality regardless of Ike's character popularity.

Shit thread. Post some girls, faggots.

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Why do people think Awakening's success happened due to what was inside the game? When it was released in 2012, 3ds had no fucking games. In Japan it released a month after Kid Icarus, a ripe time when everyone would've gotten tired of it. In US it got released Feb 2013, and literally nothing happened that year for that system other then that game. Of course sales are going to skyrocket for a game that was sort of promoted if it's the only game that looked purchasable.

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Only Thracia was "hardcore." 1 out of 5 doesn't make the series hardcore. Now go back to bed and die in your sleep, grandpa.

>intelligent systems will never make another advance wars now that the FE cash cow is in full swing.

So the series was never hardcore. Okay

They're making one right now, except it's been turned into Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

It's actually still one of the most hardcore strategy game franchises even after the massive casualization and everyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know shit about the genre

>hardcore
it wasn't even a hard game to begin with

It never was you delusional FEtard. Imagine being so obsessed with a shit series