Pound 2019: Final Day

Tweek winning a local jap tourney with Joker.

twitch.tv/videos/414212530?t=04h23m08s

it's kinda weird how Smash players are openly weebs with waifus and shit. does this happen in any other e-sport?

are you being coy? it happens all the fucking time

You ever heard of SonicFox?

>Dark Samus

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being a gay furry is socially acceptable with liberals though. it's totally different from being a waifufag

>muh liberals
Seek help

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?

yes, every single one

What time is melee top 8?
I don't know what time zone this is meant to be for.

>salem vs anti 3-0 off-stream
Bad luck for Anti. Salem probably knows how to fight Mario better than anyone.

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3 hours from now if they're on schedule.
So probably closer to 4.

the time zone and time are in the op image numbnuts

I don't know EST racist.

anti sucks in this game

>mkleo is still in the tournmanet
Wait how the fuck did that happen? Didn't he get disqualified?

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then look it up, youre using the internet right now

No I'm not you ass fuck

I kind of want ESAM to win so we can have Leffen vs ESAM, that'd be funny

TPP lets him un-DQ himself.

he said he dqd but i guess they let him back in because he technically still hadnt been eliminated

He changed his mind (well before his first losers match was supposed to start)

Leffen wouldn't get hated so much if he stopped being an insufferable faggot. He earned that scorn.

Leo DQd himself, but loser's bracket was three rounds behind his next match so there was plenty of time to change his mind.

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>ESAM about to be triple eliminated by Peach

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Has there been anything more kino than this entire match of Mafia?

>esam literally getting mindbroken

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>esam actually winning vs peach
i guess he learned his lesson. shit man imagine being lingling, the only peach that didnt beat esam. thats gotta sting

>Esam chocked
I wonder if he has heard of this thing called grabs.

>Peach will never dominate you in the same way she dominates ESAM
why even live

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>YOU CAN'T SOLO MAIN IN ULTIMATE
>TRIPLE ELIMINATED BY PEACHES
ULTRAKEK

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dj nintendo and chillin are the best commentator duo change my mind

>MuteAce has to play Salem again
I hope the Snake practice pays off

Hey there

im sorry lingling pls dont fair me

Is there anyone left playing Cloud/Falcon/Mac/Villager?

They're characters I'd like to be inspired by

>Leffen outplaces Esam
GIGA WASHED

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There was a villager who beat Void yesterday, not sure if he's still in

>samsora gets a dtilt
>goes buck fucking wild
love this nigga

I want to marry Samsora's mom and be his father!

What are the chances that float canceling will be nerfed?

I missed all of yesterday. Any highlights?

none

MD v VA crew battle
twitch.tv/videos/414170270

They seem to be nerfing based only on Elite smash and not tournaments. So next to none.

Sorry user, someone beat you to it.

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>Wins Melee Doubles
>Top 3 in Ultimate Squad Strike
>Top 5 in Ultimate Double
>Outpaces Seed in Ultimate Singles

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youtube.com/watch?v=8BZXbZPXEj8
youtube.com/watch?v=Uc6iO4PSZ1Y
Good sets.

rip

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thats because nintendo doesnt consider the tournament ruleset a legitimate way to play the game

Still proud of Kumiko. 17th is nothing to sneeze at.

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goddamit tk, that mom's cute

>pichu, wolf, peach, lucina not nerfed aside from gamewide projectile nerf
>almost no one buffed
And this was for a patch that took two months to come. Nintendo changing anything about the game aside form basic fixes would be a miracle at this point

As if the balance team watches twitch streams

you now realize Myran is the only one who can stop Marss from winning this tournament

who are you talking about? did we see them on stream?

Myran? I thought Armada was Alliance?

theyre well aware of tournaments user, whether they watch the streams or not

>taunt
>lose

lmao

UtopianRay out 0-3 against Leo off-stream.

I know but the idea of japanese dudes watching american tournaments and changing the game based on that is funny to me.

What they do in every other fighting game.

Jesus muteace is getting ravaged by Salem right now

you know there are japanese tournaments too right?

I think that was on stream. Palutena Wolf right?

Why is he Kumiko?

MANGOOOOOO

>nintendo has no clue how to balance the game because zackray wins with a new character every week, utterly destroying the character meta in Japan

based shota

Mang0 sends Hbox to losers
Plup eliminates Hbox
Mang0 vs. Plup grand finals

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Kinda want axe to dab on HBox even if it will be a boring as fuck match.

Yeah. And I'm gonna win the lottery tomorrow

:(
Muteace is awesome, and he just beat MVD recently, but Salem is another animal

Anyone know when the other side of phase 3 starts?

His tag was Kumiko.

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muteace always pulls off dope upsets but never makes it to top 8, hes like the anti-samsora

having melee commentators in ultimate and vice versa is kinda fun

Fuck Olimar and fuck the Pikmin

Just be glad it's not scar.

Why doesn't Olimar have a voice in Smash?

Mango sends hbox to losers
Johnny eliminates hbox
Mango vs S2j grand finals on S2J's birthday

Myran was on M2K's stream last week and he seemed like an alright guy. He actually has no problem admitting that Olimar is busted, unlike Dabuz who wants to keep it on the down-low.

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Leff on stream

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BIG LEFF ON STREAM

He's growing!

He's medium size already!

gb2 SA you disgusting troony subhuman

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Why did Nairo abandon ZSS again? She still seems really good. Or is he just a tier whore?

She lost a bunch of stuff he liked I guess
It sucks because his Palu is extremely boring

She's more of a neutral based character now and that doesn't really fit his style.

*stomps on you*

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What size leff are we getting today on a scale of galactic to Chillin?

He thinks she isn't as fun anymore. Pretty sure Marss thinks so too but he still plays her.

From what I've heard her playstyle is kind of defensive and that's different from what he wants.

Is Palu neutral though? Free NAir spam then just zone forever.

>She's more of a neutral based character now and that doesn't really fit his style.
>plays Palu instead

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How is Leffen always lucky with brackets? He could've faced Leo or Salem or even ESAM here but it's all cleared out for him.

???
dabuz memes about how oli has no losing matchups all the time

power of complaining
i would've loved to see him beat esam though

He's in losers, dude.

If he wins the tournament then he'll be bigger then Chillin

he faces leo if he wins vs ling ling so yes but also no

Galactic powers.

Hahaha imagine getting by peach's back air IRL hahaha can you imagine

It's obviously just an excuse. ZSS got nerfed big time and Palu is pretty good so he switched.

>if he wins the tournament
you dont actually believe hes capable do you? the guys small gibs still

Is that possible?

Why does Leffen even have an Ultimate fanbase? I get that he was pretty good in Melee so it makes sense there, but he hasn't produced any results in Ultimate yet. All of his tier lists, predictions, and theorycrafting have been wrong as well.

I miss the "oh did I win?" from melee sounded far more smug.

That is why I said if.
Unlikely but if he somehow did then we won't be living on Earth anymore but on Leffen.

How's Hungrybox doing in Melee? Is he going to win again?

He's a fun personality and had early beef with Salem so there's the narrative for him to win

But wouldn't exceeding Chillin be reaching critical mass?

He's fun to watch play and when he inevitably loses, he johns like there is no tomorrow.

drama, also melee and ultimate crossover fans

It's not worth going off stage as Roy

Possibly but we won't know for sure unless it happens.

I just watch him to see him lose. His johns are hilarious.

LEFF WHAT'S HAPPENING

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What's a John?

Good personality, popular streamer, clout from other games, a lot of contributions to the Ultimate community that stream monsters only take as complaining

Excuses or bitching.
"My controller didn't work" "I didn't get to pick the right color" etc.

Nuthugging from his fans, also the S4/Ultimate players wanted legitimacy so they threw Salem under the bus.

He's pretty good in Ultimate. Wins over WaDi, Zenyou, and ZD, going even with LingLing right now.
Easily the best Melee player at least.

Will it be like the ending from TTGL?

big willy

Wew if Leff is struggling this much against a no-name Peach he's going to have a bad time against Samsora.

What an excellent set

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That was just his mettle as a competitor being able to pull it out after the momentum completely turned

wow

lingling isnt a noname, granted hes not top 50 either

>Easily the best Melee player at least.
Eh I'd say M2K is better.

Lingling was a pretty high lvl Peach in Sm4sh

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M2K surpasses being an individual smash player.

>Easily the best Melee player at least.
Fucking lmao, absolutely not. That's factually Hungrybox and you know it. Don't be delusional, Leffagot.

he's next again MkLeo rip my brother

How has the Marth/Lucina balance not been tweaked at all in patches? Do they look at tournaments and think that all these Lucina players just suck and can't space?

lingling shitted on basedsam early today

He obviously meant best Melee player in Ultimate, bumblefuck

M2k's singles results aren't that good but he makes up or it in doubles and squad strike.

He'd have to get

>Do they look at tournaments
No.

M2K also has a win over ZD but that's it so far. Though getting 49th here is solid.

Are you fucking retarded? It's clear he meant the best melee player in ultimate. Hungryfags proving their 0IQ yet again.

Omfgggggggggg why the fuck are they not even at top 24? Its fuckung Sunday for fucks sake and they're still doing pool shit

Oh, that's fine then. I do agree with that, Melee players generally suck donkey dick at Ultimate, but Leffen's alright.

gaga

>Average Big Leff hater reading comprehension

All Sakurai did was see people complain about projectiles so he buffed the shield and gave Marth and crew a better grab range while Robin got nothing.

>Is Hbox going to win again?
Probably, unless Mang0, Plup, or Zain are able to clutch it. Personally I'm indifferent to Hbox's victories now that Armada is retired. Hbox's tourney wins just don't carry the same weight anymore now that his biggest threat is no longer there to contest him. I miss Armada.

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>Good personality
Thanks for the laugh.

Gib melee marth grab.

Come to think of it, that is the most likely scenario. Still he has a long way to go before he achieves that.

I realized today I barely watch Melee anymore because of Hbox. As hype as everything else is it all feels ineffectual because in the end HBox will stomp as always. Maybe it's the pessimist in me but there's no point in watching the rest of the tourney when you KNOW how it's going to end. I can only hope HBox retires or someone else becomes his kryptonite because at this rate Melee is losing a lot of luster.

Sakurai hasnt balanced smash since brawl

i dont get how people job so hard to hbox when armadas fox wasnt even that good compared to other top players

Keep seething, retard. Your "big" Leff is shrinking to microscopic size. The only reason I'm happy that he's been winning is that he could end up facing Salem, but let's be real, he'll probably lose on purpose before having to fight Salem. He's that much of a bitch.

>Sakurai balanced Brawl
That explains a lot.

To be fair when you make a game as perfectly balanced as brawl you don't need to think about it any more.

>Good personality
The guy who got banned from tournaments because he couldn't stop lying about people being thieves and junkies?

Next update. To compensate Robin's Levin sword will be nerfed in both strength and usage.

Who is commentating melee top8?

Leffen's a heel. He talks a lot of shit, but he's passionate about the game and it resonates with people. He also gets decent results so he doesn't just come across as a crybaby like Salem.

DJ Nintendo and Chillin.

probably dj and chillin

salem has better results than leffen, youve exposed yourself as a dickrider

Nope, Ultimate's heel is arguably Salem. Leffen is an anti-hero at best.

t: never watched his streams/interviews, only read his twitter and what Yea Forumsirgins have to say about him

Leffen is Vegeta. Used to be a spergy autist, but grew up a bit. Still kind of a douche, but is a good community member overall.

You are so god damn annoying man, I'm actually done with you. I can't stand your personality any longer, I gave it a serious try

do you fucking faggots ever get tired of talking about leffen and salem? its obsessive at this point just let them fucking live

How soon before chillin gets cheated on and has to go through divorce

Why are you such a fucking autistic bastard that you cannot let viewers enjoy a good rivalry? Do you also sperg out when professional wrestling fans want to see the hero fighting the heel?

I miss autistic spergy villain Leffen. I can't help but laugh whenever I hear Smash 4 players complain that Leffen is toxic because 2019 Leffen is nothing compared to 2015 Leffen.

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Because it's a vehicle for melee vs ult shitposting.

>All that shit talking
I don't follow Melee what was I missing lmao

Yeah but leffen never released a solid response track.

dont reply to me you idol worshipping nigger

youtube.com/watch?v=uitKRLKT2n4

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that whole tournament was legendary

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>this was 4 years ago

Chillin vs Leffen Salty Sweet.

God now i remeber that lol team house tour where one guy left his male daki on his bed

dude cmon even people who never saw melee in their life know my b

>sweet

It was sweet watching that ass beating and the highlight, "Muh B"!

Leffen vs some weird Mexican kid on stream 2

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>What was I missing
By far the most infamous set in Smash (not just Melee) history. Leffen was shit talking Chillin until they eventually decided to do a money match in 2015. Then Chillin made a diss track called "Respect Your Elders" where he roasted Leffen. But then when they actually played, Leffen beat Chillin 5-0, with Chillin's only response being "My B." I really recommended you watch the set, diss track and all: youtu.be/7i0PUCX7VEw

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>biohazard leo

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I unironically listen to Respect Your Elders all the time.

Feel like Leffen needed that game to be able to pull this off

I just wanna see this faggot fight Salem, but I bet MKLeo will absolutely rape him.

el pene de mkleo penetrara el culo con granos de leffen

mkleo's penis will penetrate leffen's acne ridden butt

>The infamous Leffen vs Chillin 5-0
>Bizzarro Flame vs Eikelmann in a Ganon ditto at Salty Suite
>Leffen beating Mang0 in a $1000 money match in bracket
>Armada's bracket reset vs PPMD in grand finals
>PPMD winning
Apex 2015 really was the peak of competitive Smash.

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nice shot hugo is better

Madre santísima... El maricón de Leffen va a ser penetrado por el Chad MKleo... Pobre desgraciado con acné, necesita accutane...

Basedboy """skillbased""" game

wish these leffen cheerleaders would shut the fuck up

>pichu gets hit anywhere over 80%
>fucking explodes

I'll agree. Liquid fire is also pretty good and the Salem diss.

I hate how little off stage play ultimate has.

I want Leffen to win against Leo just because I want him to go up against Salem

He'd have to go through Leo AND Nairo to meet Salem. Not happening in a million years.

Come on leff at least take one game...

FUUUCK

Same problem Sm4sh had too and why people who think ledge trumping makes people more aggressive are morons.

tiny willy

RIP leffen. Come back to melee

too bad

thank christ his groupies can shut the fuck up now

OHOHOHOHOHOHOHO NOT EVEN ONE DAMN GAME, THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THIS FAG

Mission failed. We'll get 'em next time.

at least his games were sorta close, sad no leff vs salem

Not gonna happen

>glass cannon is a glass cannon
wow

How are you enjoying your Wolf meta Yea Forums?
That's the idea yes, which is why he is so fast and hard to hit.

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Why is he /p/?

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Nobody replied. Come on fellas. You know she was only dating him for celeb slut factor, now she got conned into marrying his fat ass

How many "next times" do you have to go through? You've been saying that for fucking months.

I'd even take edge hogging back.

Has Leffen won a single major?

Most players are more comfortable ledge trapping than edge guarding and missing an edge guard and giving up stage is too risky

in melee yes

I like this clean commentary compared to Vish calling melee and just taking a verbal shit and giggling

pedophile incels detected

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>off stage against pichu as wolf
epic for the win

you see off stage play all the time in matchups that aren't suicide

He is a big fan of the photo board.

I am yet to see any.

>pedophile
How'd you read that off my posts

He just faired the nikita lol

Has Mars been BTFO yet. I need to know this vital information.

Nope

Try watching the stream sometime, we just had Marss vs Samsora which was mostly offstage

youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

Samsora 3-1

Nope. He is still in.

samsora put him in losers

disgusting

OH NONONONONO!!!

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/p/

Yawn

hasn't he made this tweet like six times now

Nah it wasn't.

damn...no reason to watch ultimate anymore

He'll be streaming his shitty bootcamps tomorrow and grinding out for the next tournament.

hope he picks up DBFZ again

Thank god an actual good decision

As if, he has Stockholm Syndrome with Ultimate. He'll never go back to Melee as long as Hungrybox is still competing, the dude terrifies him.

Why’d he stop playing DBZ anyway? Couldn’t compete with the Fox?

DBFZ got killed by Toei

yes, pretty sure he already said he would be returning to Melee after Genesis, then after Summit

Same reason most people dropped it. Balance patches that made the game terrible to play.

Can I dare to say ultimate is dead now?

yes it was
bro the top tiers of this game consist of almost solely characters that can gimp well
you're full of shit

Finally...

Not in ultimate, no.

Leffen will never go back to Melee as long as Hungrybox is around

just some locals such as EVO

Good, we need him back in Melee so he can Vegeta to Hungrybox.

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It's not really worth competing in Melee right now that HBox is at apex prime. I'd wait a few years until he retires then try again.

I feel like you're being awfully hostile here.

Pelca vs Phantom is actually the sickest set

Why can't he be allowed to win?

>that image
kek

He never recovered from that GO1 comeback.

>knocking another palutena out

good

I really wish he would stop making excuses for everything. I want to like him but he makes it so hard

pelca doesnt get enough recognition, dudes nasty

hbox is nowhere near as dominant as armada ever was

The tournament fiasco lost a lot of players. Dumb old Japanese men fucked it.

New England staying based I see

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hes still the #1 and nobody has beaten him this year so far

Ultimate is DONE

I expected no less from this angsty motherfucker

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based retard

>snake vs palutena into
>snake vs palutena

That image being used with a reference to New England triggers me
Can't wait to tune in to his Joker practice streams then read his character crisis tweets 3 days later

Come on fellas. Weigh in

what is mvd's ethnicity? hes such a strange lookin fellow

Fat

>samefagging this hard
back to prison please pedo

Sorry I'm mean by calling you out on shit, Salem

leave MVD alone for once in his life

Any predictions on when this shit will finish up? My guess is about 4:30

JESUS CHRIST NAIRO

puerto rican

puerto rican

Nerr Snake

da ancient hawaiian

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>MVD
>Real name: Jestise Negron from Oklahoma
My guess? Mexican

vegeta fags BTFO

what a fucking loser

Ally vs. Pelca
here comes the Snake ditto

As long as you learn from your mistakes and evolve as a person.

He plays Palu as a rush down character

hes from florida newfag

how many bongs until melee

>Negron
lmao

2, probably a bit later than that though

Imagine being named Negron

Why cant pros ever understand this game is not made just for them. This is what happens when you play a party game competitively

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holy shit mvd got washed

why is nairo such a monster?

MVD exists to get dunked on

Salem is growing by the second.

That's true.
Unlike Salem.

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Why bother to make character changes if it's not to appeal to competitive?

this

I'm not trying to hide the fact that it's me. I want some opinions. I think she's the kind of girl chillin is going to walk in on getting blacked desu

>tfw sakurai hates melee

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This shit isn't finishing until 4:30/5. They decided to not be down to top 24 for Sunday and instead were doing pools and smoosh crew battles on a separate stream

because casuals don't give a fuck about higher level gameplay changes and will still lose to Krool regardless

It's just too easy.

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Imagine dropping out of the tourney for the game you apparently love, to play the one you don't even like that much.

Anyone got the tweet where he implies Melee player have more passion than Ultimate players just because they practice sets before a tourney?

no one cares faggot

>yea i listen to panic at the disco, how did you know?

Was that the Apex where the venue roof partially collapsed from the weather and Twitch had to front the bill for a new venue space on the fly? Good times

Poor Wizzy fighting his main training partner.

Is Pacman the Wolf counter?

M-Mario bros.. why can't he get any good placements in Ultimate?..

Gonna take a quick nap as I've been awake way too long. Can somebody please wake me around when melee top 8 starts?

Isn't Wizzy Salem's boyfriend?

seems like hes doing well

God when do the adults come into this thread. I can see there's nothing here but a bunch of soft little dweebs

why did the devs think double purple was okay?

Leffen is such a fucking crybaby lmaoo

Where's wizzy

They seemed to somewhat know what they were doing with the characters that got changes, the problem is the changes were so god damn abysmal
>Wolf dsmash kills 3-5% later
>Olimar just does less shield damage on fsmash
>Inkling's patch notes were unintelligible garbage that's still being tested
I don't want strong nerfs that punish the characters/ their players, I just want nerfs that actually matter
At least Sheik M2 Corrin got some cool buffs

Because 99% of the buyers are casual players

I don't get why he didn'tenter Melee if he misses the P A S S I O N so much?

Because he's scared of Hungrybox, that's literally it

Take your cuck fantasies somewhere else

Puff

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why are you in this thread if youre not watching the stream?

you know why

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PACED

I NEED PACMAN GIFS

How the fuck can he call into question the passion of Ultimate players anyway, the way I see it it's the Melee players and streamers like Zero who are half assing it, the ones who don't even like the game but are still playing it, say what you will about Leo but the dude is dying of AIDS and he's still playing. I think the only pros I've seen not moan about Ultimate are Leo, Nairo, Samsora and Esam.

It's not a fantasy of mine, I just like the humiliation of someone like chillin with his ugly af gf.
Oh I thought you guys were talking about wizzrobe

>dying of aids
What

Im kind of bummed out because he specifically said he had some super duper cheap strat to lame out Hbox and I wanted him to try it and lose anyway, now the only joy we can get from this is if Axe wins and Leffen tries to dunk on Hbox despite not even doing anything.

He's been saying for the past year or so that he wants to be remembered for being really good in a lot of games but like other Melee players most are demotivated by Hbox's streak and the prospect of playing Puff no matter what at every event.

>SALEM WAS RIGHT

There'ssome super virus going round or something, a lot of Smash players are tweeting that they're ill.

TODAY

IS JOHNNY'S FUCKING BIRTHDAY HE'S GONNA WIN THIS SHIT

SHOUTOUTS 2 JESUS

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>It's not a fantasy of mine, I just like fantasizing about it

Wizzy got whizzed on

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Is Nairo knocked out?

he got pretty sick right before the tourney, said he fell asleep and didnt wake up for fifteen hours

Gez is Captainzack spreading himself to everyone?

based

I'm not going to say Puff isn't boring, but they get no sympathy from me when they took a party game and made it a fighting game, then did fuck all about Puff for a decade and only now are they trying to do something about it. Seems their game is not so perfect after all.

off stage in this game is a joke, half of the characters have no fucking edgeguard tools and a buncha top tiers have recoveries that are literally impossible to fuck up. Would really love playing more if they made it more interactive offstage

the link to the brackets is in the op

I completely agree. Leo is a damn blessing, the dude is extremely good at the game yet so humble. It's what sets him apart from braggarts like Leffen.

great, more snake :)

ultimatebros........ games are getting....... longer......

Over 70 characters and all we get is Wolf, Snake and Olimar. Zzzz

People can say what they want, but there's obvious indicators that Smash was never intended to be a competitive fighting game. Character balance being one of them.

"I know a trap when I see one."

Pelca is the sickest Snake

>Hello? Yes he needs a plane ticket back to Sweden
>That's right 25% of top 12 is Snake

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Actually, I was the one that spread it to CaptainZack to begin with. He told me to use a condom, but he couldn't tell because we did it in the doggy position.

holy fucking based

He'd rather bitch about the matchup, john on twitter and drop out of every tournament hbox attends than be the champ.

And unlike Leffen, can choose mains and stick to them/not moan about them like Leffen has done with Pichu recently, like bro, you made a lot of tweets talking about how good Pichu is and made him your pfp and stream Pichu emotes/icons, and now you don't fucking like his playstyle?

Why are you in this thread with opinions like that? I'm assuming you at least like Ultimate but your point applies to that game equally. We've been dealing with Puff since 2001, but Hungrybox has reached new heights since 2016. From what I can tell he's just cleaned up his edgeguards and rest setups to a crazy degree, but Puff being this dominant is only a recent thing unless you want to count Mang0 back in the day

Coney stop shitposting, and you have a wife.

/p/ gang WW@

Why doesn't Ultimate use DSR?

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How will Leffen ever recover. How can a man live so rent free in another man's head?

am I wrong or has there been a snake in like every set on the main stream for like an hour

the TOs are acting retarded

there are FOUR (4) Snake players in top 16
why the fuck is this allowed?

"Ahh Jénesis 2. Now that was a guud tärnament..."

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what is dsr?

>and made him your pfp and stream Pichu emotes/icons, and now you don't fucking like his playstyle?
This is nothing new, he did the exact same shit before with Pokemon Trainer and Roy. It's just a matter of time before he drops Pichu for Joker or someone else, make emotes for him, and then abandon him once the next DLC character hits.

Some dumb TOs thought it would be better without it, despite every single top player telling them otherwise.

Dave's Stupid Rule
It says you can't go back to a stage you won on.

youre correct. you see, snake is a good character with a talented and loyal playerbase

5 if you count Mr. R

>mfw it actually is 25%
>it could potentially become 33% if mvd beats goblin and dwizzy/light

>I'm assuming you at least like Ultimate but your point applies to that game equally.

How so? Maybe with Bayo in Smash 4, but nothing is dominating Ulti to that degree yet.

UGHRHGH BIG STAGE LIST

>6 mins of snakes chucking nades

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based and brudderpilled

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So is melee after Ultimate or did I miss it

ultimate is real shit huh
whens melee

Sandwiched between Ultimate

ultimatetards don't have that rule? new to me

>"UGHRHGH BIG STAGE LIST"
>more than 90% of the stages are banned for minute reasons
TOs are fucking pansies.

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I think this matchup is fun to play and watch but I also like Gouken mirrors

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MELEE FRENS GO WATCH HFLAN @ GEEKYGOONSQUAD

>ally talking to mickel in the middle of his set

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I mean unironically using the party game into fighting game argument. Your game is what, like 5 months old? You're not going to find meaningful comparisons to Melee with regards to tier lists and individual character or player dominance until at least two years in and no more patches.

way more interesting than sinji vs. pelca

>mr r chocked
>again

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twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/1117502637581029376

Does Sweden have a concept of irony?

>yfw they ban mementos because muh symmetry

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wait why is Zhu there lmao

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melee top 8 in a couple hours i believe

Retarded TOs that have way too much influence

remember when Swedish Delight dropped two games to Chudat’s Fox?
youtube.com/watch?v=J9XQxpQFjds

Why did Armada have to leave us, bros? He should've at least stuck around for another 2 months to see if he could end his career as number 1 in Melee one last time.

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>phantom vs sinji to get into top 12

luckily new york has 10 billion palutena's, hopefully he can do it

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Hbox doesn't look that dominant there...

Don't post this art again please.

You may not like it, but Snake dittos are higher IQ than anything in Melee

haha whaaat. I just saw the result and assumed it was ICs vs Peach lol
god that Fox is fucking hilarious

This peach has beaten non-IC top 100 level players. It beat boyd in the ditto this tournament. Yet it lost to chufox. Asshurts will still say chu is carried by wobbling =D7

armada was THE hbox slayer

armada is the only person with a winning record on hobx in 2018 i believe

So everyone should get on his level then, surely? Did he ever beat Hbox with his Peach?

I'm pretty sure Armada had a positive head to head against Hbox in his last year competing. He really did go out on top imo, and I'll always hold the opinion that Armada was the best Melee player.

>Being a Sinji fan

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nah, hbox is one of the few people that makes armada lose confidence in his peach, pretty sure every single game was puff vs fox

name a character more boring than snake

>I'll always hold the opinion that Armada was the best Melee player.

I also used to think he was the most reasonable Smash Pro too, until his pathetic 'They hate us cos they aint us' shit on stream when Melee was dropped from Evo, really bad look for him.

No, puff-peach is a legit 80-20 MU. He beat him with y. link until 2014 and fox afterwards.

armada believed puff peach was a 9-1 matchup because of hbox which forced him to explore other options like YL and eventually fox.

Fucking Ally man

Melee players look out for Melee, that's how we've made it this far

His Link vs Hbox's Puff was hype as fuck imo

who here watching ice fist prof?

pac man
if the man wants to he can just camp forever and never be edgeguarded
relevant

So if HBox was beaten in the past why is he so unstoppable now? Did he just level up and fix his weaknesses?

switches to Mario and plays a super fun set wowow
that upthrow + grenade selfkill was fucking great

Armada often said that the Peach Puff MU was 20-80. He use to even opt for Young Link instead of Peach when playing against Hbox.

More like why everyone hates you guys, MvC2 and Super Turbo are still played to this day and they never had to make cnspiracy theories that other games companies paid their way into Evo.

Are there any official explanations as to why some stages are banned? I think Halberd is perfectly legal with hazards off, but they have it banned

Not just in 2018, Armada is the only person to have a winning record vs Hbox at all.
>So everyone should get on his level then, surely?
Easier said than done. Armada literally went on a 7 year streak where he did not lose to any non-top 6 player for over 7 years.
>Did he ever beat Hbox with his Peach?
Puff is one of Peach's worst matchups.

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do Dabuz, Ally, and Samsora even have any chance of beating Nairo?
feels like he has a free ride to grand finals

I think Halberd is banned for being able to pass through the main platform.

sorry those characters are too technical for you fags

im sure there'll be some palutena players soon

I suppose it's the walk-offs.

yes he got better, how is this even a question?

castle siege camera is sorta fucky/too small
warioware too small
unova has fucking awful lighting(only one i agree with fuck that stage)

Hbox is a dumbass and was legit trash until Crunch started telling him exactly what to do.

Halberd is still banned for this reason
>However, the unusually low ceiling and sharkable main platform were still present, and more characters other than Meta Knight gained an advantage over other characters without good vertical finishers or aerial mobility

>ANOTHER jewmr emote direct

Dang, hard to look at that and not think objectively Armada was the best player actually

>unova has fucking awful lighting
For reason to ban stages that's a terribly lousy one

He didn't even know how many jumps Jigglypuff had until like two years ago.

Goblin showing Leffen how it's done, and by 'it' I mean actually playing Roy in a tournament.

I could easily imagine Dabuz beating Nairo cause Shuton destroyed him, but I don’t know their head to head.

Aren't all sonic stages (even BF/Omega forms) banned for music copyright?
That's probably the worst reason.

>gets Crunch as dedicated coach (there was a weird period around '16 and '17 where midset coaching was allowed at some events too)
>develops near perfect flowchart edgeguards because Puff has 5 jumps in a doublejump game
>better rest setups building on past experience and human nervousness at top level
>M2K loses it outside of Summit where I don't even think they played
>Mang0 loses it
>Leffen loses it
>Armada and Plup kind of keep him at bay but Armada retires
>He's still the only Puff at top 10 level
It's a lot of things, mostly just how hard it is to stay optimistic if Puff takes the lead in any given match. Crunch is a Fox main and since Hbox plays most sets against Fox it's like he has one real matchup to worry about but all of the experience in the world to handle it.

Remember when Leffen would passive aggressively tweet about 'Ooooh look how mid tier Roy is' whenever someone played Roy in a match on stream. lmao

Then why don't other people get better? He's been at the top for 2 years now.

>Melee players came up with the idea that some games have bought their way into evo
>before Melee was dropped nobody had suggested that this could have happened

We could make legal stages with Stage Builder but people are too preoccupied making reddit tier memes with it.

try playing against snake on it, its a bit of a mess. I wouldn’t personally ban it but I can’t blame them for it, especially when its not that unique of a layout.

And on top of that puff is super easy to play. After a long tournament all the Fox players are arthritically shaking, while Hbox is chilling.

they are getting better, hes just outpaced them

It shows just how out of touch with the fgc scene in general Melee babies are that they think French Bread had the cash to buy a Evo spot. It was just a really embarassing moment for Armada imo.

>Dabuz gets an early kill
>Nairo does a HARD fucking read and blows his ass up immediately
lol

HBox is a pie in the face to any Melee autist. Strong neutral, simple inputs, easy flow chart, and ample time for decision making. It must feel awful as a Fox main against a Puff who has half the APM as you yet still 4 stocks you.

who you think he's talking about Yea Forums

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>Melee is on before GoT starts
Oh thank god I can watch that and skip Ulticrap.

No one is even close to the level of puff play that Hbox is, mostly because he's hellbent on keeping everything he learns about puff secret. Getting better than Hbox is already not easy for obvious reasons, but at this point no one wants to put energy into melee and no other strong puffs with Hbox's new tech means no reliable practice going into the matchup. This will change though, as more people are picking up puff due to the recent top-player tier lists putting puff at no. 1.

always seemed weird that can take more than one hit to kill

Didn't Armada and Mew2king also confirm that Hbox refuses to play friendlies so people can't learn the Puff matchup?

any sf player

anime players

>watching GoT

this is the most likely one tbqh

that can't be true LOL

OLIMAR IS CHEAP BULLSHIT

We'll never know because he's a subtweeting little bitch

Oh for sure, everyone knows that. You could argue that he doesn't get any practice against other top players by declining to play friendlies but I still think with the spot puff is in the meta it benefits him to do it.

He died a couple of times because of it.

the entire funny part is that the original PSA about smell was referring to a Sm4sh tournament

>Stinky Melee players trying HARD to deflect the shower memes onto other communities

lul

>mostly because he's hellbent on keeping everything he learns about puff secret
This meme excuse again.

Melee is a visual game. People can study VODs and learn.

wizzy finna boutta dab on light

Someone explain to a brainlet like me what does a coach do?
How can Crunch know more about Jigglypuff matchups than Hbox to tell him what to do?

He helps hbox analyze his matches and find places where he's fucking up.

I hate Dabuz and Snorelimar, but FUCK Nairo.

GO DABUZ

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hbox probably just wants friendly company since the rest of the scene hates him.

A coach watches the match and gives advice on what you did wrong and your opponents habits. Hbox and his coach are notoriously good at this and will use any chance to learn you even during the few friendlies he does where he uses Ness but requires you to use your main.

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It's more like he can pull shit out his ass whenever he needs it. He has a stockpile of stuff no one's ever seen before ready to go whenever he meets them at gfs, like at that one summit he won where he started pound > resting and no one knew how to fight or DI it.

>no AXE Body spray endorsement
shame

I swear Nairo vs Dabuz has been like 30mins, ZZzzz

How can you hate this man?

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nvm

twitter.com/MVG_Mew2King/status/1120024308963782659

The Smash AIDS has reached M2K now, jesus christ.

Congratulations to Dabuz for winning pound 2019!

Nairo's fanbase is even worse than Leffen's.

Nairo went from the most hypest player to the most boring player with Palu.

Would be extremely based desu

...

>Claim you dropped ZSS because she's now defensive and neutral focused
>Picks up Palutena with braindead NAir and even a stronger neutral game

why the fuck is olimar so strong for such a little weak little faggot

Hbox has straight up said that he's literally incapable of analyzing Melee. Like, he'll watch a set of himself losing and genuinely not be able to identify what he did wrong and where he needs to improve.

he channels the power of dabuz's autism into each up smash