Seriously, is there a single reason why they haven't patched this out?

Seriously, is there a single reason why they haven't patched this out?

>Killing esports
>Killing ranked
>Killing diversity
>Killing the game

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They don't know how to without making tanks and/or healers useless. Blizzard is too retarded to balance because they don't want everyone to have a full kit and they want hard counters.

>killing diversity

And this is bad... Why?

Not THAT kind of diversity, they meant that choosing different heroes than what's meta is detrimental.

because picking the same 6 characters gets stale unless they have tons of depth (which OW doesn't have) and will get stale visually regardless.

>if I have too many white people the game gets stale

Fuck off

t. league faggot.

>make a game with a set of mechanics and rules
>players figure out the optimal way to play because that's how reality works
>"oh no we have to change our game so there is no optimal way to play!"
literally fucking retarded. the problem is that there's 20+ characters when there doesn't need to be. there's always going to be a large pool of useless characters no matter how many they add or how many ways they change. If they want more usage out of other characters, do 8v8, 12v12, 16v16. Make bigger maps. But they can't do that because they committed to 6v6 and can't make their existing maps any bigger. The idea that all characters would be equally useful and get used on all modes/maps equally is fucking retarded.

>Talking about having different meta and kits to play instead same heroes and strategies in every round
>Somehow got triggered and assume white men for no reason
So gay

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Why does it seem like this game comes up with new retarded falvour of the month terms all the time?

which is why you cycle the meta so the game isn't piss boring?

goats is literally only played in OWL now

Because blizzard is lazy and they know the game is half dead
Prove me wrong

This.

Show me a point in time where Overwatch's comp scene didn't revolve around a single meta lineup. PROTIP: there is none.

>Seriously, is there a single reason why they haven't patched this out?
Blizzard has literally been trying to. They just suck at balancing and game design

this

early dive meta

this is because ranked is garbage and nobody cares about actually winning
I am top 500 and even in top 500 half of my teammates don't care if they win or not, since there's no real competition and they will stay that rank anyways

if you actually tryharded in GM we'd pick goats

What no one wants to admit is that the game is fundamentally flawed.

Why is that? Does the lineup just not work as well in ranked? Does it require too much coordination?

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The characters are shallow as fuck. If this was MvC2 where Magneto and Sentinel have a skill ceiling that takes years to master and can be played as different archetypes, then fine. The problem is Overwatch is one trick pony.

because putting a limit of 2 per class is just too difficult for them

remember when you could have 6 of the same hero on a team LMAO that's blizzard balance for you

>am top 500
I believe you.

When did you stop playing Overwatch and why?

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I mean it's not hard
I'm low-mid Master in Korea and I play on America with 140 ping at GM because literally NOBODY gives a shit here.

I thought Korea was bad because it's full of throwers and people rigging their rank, but NA is worse...

No, it's because anywhere else except maybe in gm the dps carry the game. that may actually be the biggest flaw of the game. No matter how good of a tank/heal you are, if the other team has better dps than you, it's pretty much over.

Let's make the one guy with a fun movement option a support character, and never have any maps with more than a main path and a flanking path. Also hard counters are a good design, and instead of focusing on making better maps let's keep shitting out increasingly bland heroes. I fucking hate blizzard's design philosophy

Stop bullshitting man, why do you think someone should believe you?

root for best OWL team, faggot - Shanghai Dragons

Yesterday was actually fun since they did not give a damn about goats and defeated Florida with Doomfist, Symmetra, mei, wrecking ball etc.

it's because while GOATS is pretty braindead easy to play, it's extremely hard to play on pub games because it's all about coordination and bursting someone down with CC.

You need one person to be CC chaining with you at the minimum, ideally 3 people CC chaining.

It's much easier and simpler just to pick a DPS and kill everyone

you don't have to, why are you so insecure lmao
if you don't want to trust me just go watch a random GM streamer, either they are smurfing or they are half assing

when ranked came out. it stopped being fun since everyone wanted to fit in the tiny tourney meta tryhard box

Right after the first Mercy re-work where she was super OP, before they fixed her. Because I lost my high speed internet connection after moving to a new place.

It would be completely ok if different maps required different set of characters, but Blizzard map design is shit

The "pro meta" has already ran its course and mirror matches are boring as fuck. There's more thought process when you're facing against something you're not used to, like Seagull getting anally wrecked by a tranny bastion one-trick.

when there was no character pick limit and you can ran 6 tracers vs 6 torbs

hard counters was the stupidest decision they made with the game. instead of learning how to counterplay unfavorable matchups with a character you like, now you just switch to their counter which causes a snowball of respawn swaps

i stopped playing when doomfist came out. no reason I was just bored but I unironically reinstalled last night to check out the havana map.

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After the open beta. The game was piss boring from the start

I didn't even know people still played this piece of shit

>aids tacticts in an unbalanced shit game
wow

I keep meaning to get my cousin's 12 year old Overwatch. Maybe then he and his little brother will stop playing their free copy of Fortnite.

last night, because I wanted to go to sleep

this
the comp is braindead easy to play for pros since you don't need excellent aim so the worst team could beat best team
but it still does require one of the best coordinations which doesn't work well in pubs

The metas boring and consists of only two roles. Yes, tweak the game. There will be a new “optimal” way to play. Jesus you’re a brainlet

this game was only ever good during the alpha phase when they had around 7 heroes corresponding to basic fps classes.
If they had have kept that itd still be great.

Healers should be fucking useless though. They should be a niche/situational pic not something that's taken every single round in multiples on both teams.

I stopped playing when I left with my ex.OW and AoE2 carried me through that train wreck. Then I realized OW was garbage.

Its ok, they are reformating it to the actual MOBA game soon with update in summer. Three lanes, critters, mobs, xp and upgrades.

Was a "passion" project of one of their staff they decided to fully develop.

The retarded level design would make it so the meta would be characters that can escape and get health packs or regen themselves. Tracer, Sombra, and 76 would become god tier

Lucio got his first nerf.

Post your face when you've never wasted your dollars on this game.

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>same 6 heroes on def and attack every game
nice job blizzard

Before Doomfist came out, because the gameplay ratio is 90% frustration 10% fun.

I didn't say never tweak the game. I said there's never going to be a situation where all characters are useful. Yeah you can change tweak the stats every few months for eternity but that means there's always going to be a small group of heroes that are used. Blizzard and some of the retarded fanbase thinks there's some magical set of tweaks that will mean you can use any heroes in any situation. Maybe this wouldn't happen if they designed a game that didn't have a retarded premise.

before the ball hamster guy came out. everyone i know just stopped playing too and i didn't really enjoy it that much solo

So why is no porn been posted yet?
pretty sloppy jobs lad

this meta is the most diverse by far

Can someone explain to a non-OW player wtf a goats is?

I almost never pick up games on release and as I had other games to play I didn't bother, thinking that I'd pick it up cheap if it's still going in a few years. But the community seems a shit so I don't feel like I lost out on anything.

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Is there a single reason why nobody has come up with a good counter? From what I can understand GOAT teams tend to clump up and the likes of Junkrat and Pharah tends to do very well against teams that clumps up.

overwatch is honestly the most frustrating game ive ever played.

Go All Tanks and Support

Ranked came out. some of my main group stopped playing. Qing ranked without a complete stack was fucking awful. Blizz matchmaking is shit as usual.

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gay overpowered anal turbo skill

healer/supporter has great burst/CC
other characters also has great burst/CC

3 heals + tanks make it impossible to melt them down

if you pick a DPS then they just charge in and absolutely buttfuck your frontline, and you can't possibly contest it unless you match their beefiness

As a goat, I am absolutely appalled by this shameless appropriation of my culture by the gaming community, and demand both an apology and increased representation for livestock in videogames!

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D.Va eats their projectiles. They feed Zarya's shield. Pharah's rockets have too low DPS to break rein shield.

Don't lie here. that clearly spells GOTAS
thx user, i knew it was something gay

I think the biggest problem with Overwatch is that they change the balance every two months. Just look at how much the game has changed since launch. Almost every hero has reworked abilities and that's stupid.

I think a lot of the community feels like they don't change the game often enough.

short after Orisa came out. game was stomping or getting stomped. no fun in that

Isn't there separate ranking for solo ranked and team ranked in the game? That's how I see other games do their ranked MM

lucio would be beyond fucking busted if he was remotely good at dishing out damage

You can't just patch out a strategy. They've been trying to patch the things that make the strategy so strong, but the problem is it's no one thing, it's a collection of smaller mechanics that amount to an overwhelming force when played one way. They have to try and balance that out by nerfing those things or increasing the strength of counters to it, but without also impacting the rest of the game too heavily.

To give an extreme example, Goats would instantly die if Junkrat did 300 damage per shot, but Junkrat doesn't exist in a vacuum. That 300 damage per shot is absolutely going to have an impact on all sorts of other strategies too and Junk would instantly become essential to every team.

It's not as easy as "just get rid of it"

It didn't use to, but now it does require decent coordination. Any half decent Widowmaker or Hanzo should be able to punish a poorly coordinated GOATS comp because you're sitting on three squishy healers and any one of them going down is a huge loss of momentum.

I played it pretty regularly since launch and stopped at the start of this year when an ear infection fucked my hearing up and I couldn't hear positional audio well, which made the game way more frustrating. That's fixed now but I don't much care to go back for much more than new seasons and a couple QP games every few weeks.

I do consider a pretty great game, though by no means perfect. Definitely don't get why Yea Forums has such a hate boner for it.

The level design is the biggest offender. As long as they are linear, composed of chokepoints and only have a single objective on which everyone crashes into, any sort of class-based game will end up with some retarded ass meta to optimize getting on and staying on the point.
The second biggest fuckup is the extremely narrow roles each character has, let alone the pigeonholing into generic "classes", as well as the absolute focus on everybody stocking their Ultimate to collectively blow their loads and break the current stalemate out of billions of stalemates.

Every single hero needs to be made dramatically more versatile and capable in direct combat (especially get rid of Ultimates, make them normal skills). The maps need to become actual fucking maps with multiple objectives, such as a simple three control point Domination mode.
Whoever the fuck thought that single point objective modes ("that makes it simple and easy to understand! We have absolutely zero trust in our players' intelligence!" not an incorrect assessment when it comes to the Blizzard fanbase ) were a good idea should be tarred and feathered.

Honestly, Mercy when she first got Valkyrie, and Brigette when first released should be the way that every character is designed. Powerful in combat first with whatever teamwork-related gimmicks on the side.

Great, so let’s keep it at 2 roles being viable since you can’t ever balance a game to make every character is usable. Good stuff

>it's a collection of smaller mechanics that amount to an overwhelming force when played one way
Agreed, good post.

its just a long fucking way of saying "good strategy"

desu its something overwatch always needs, patches will open things up but ultimately its not going away until players find a better way to play digging through patches.

not like people can play goats in ranked anyways

Would it really be that fucking hard to make it to where comp teams can only have 1 tank, 1 healer, and 4 DPS? Hell, fuck 6v6, make it 4v4 with 1/1/2 and nerf healing. Fixed your fucking game.

this game is so FUCKING bad

>3 years later and there's still no story mode
Yeah can't wait for that 15th 3 minute short explaining how a character called winston

Overwatch is an FPS where each character has unique mobility, defensive or offensive skills that allow them to play different roles. Most characters fit into three primary roles, a tank, a damage dealer or a healer, though some characters are designed to be a combination of them too.

GOATs is a strategy that is very centralising at higher levels of the game due to its overwhelming strength. Typically the strategy involves three tanks (Reinhardt, Zarya and D.Va), as well as three Supports (Lucio, Brigitte and Moira). These characters are not OP on their own (arguably Brig was on her release though definitely isn't now) but their skills mesh so well together that very little can be done about them when coordinated well.

The strategy is essentially to just charge in on opposing team as tightly packed as possible, and then overwhelm whichever opponent is most exposed. Reinhardts Barrier which can tank 2000 damage (most non-tank heroes have 200 to 250 health) coupled with Zaryas barriers (which can only take about 200 but they power her up if they're hit) and D.Va's defense matrix (absorbs all projectiles while it's out, doesn't have a cap but is recharge meter based) coupled with area-of-effect healing from Lucio and Brigitte AND area of effect speed boost from Lucio means that it takes a while for anything to die if they're all grouped up, so it's very easy for them to just charge in and overwhelm. Even if something does get damaged heavily, Moira has insanely high close range burst healing and can heal the tanks back to full on demand. To top it off, actually killing someone is easy because several of these characters also have displacers, stuns and pins.

The only counter-strategy is another GOATS, since anything less just opens you up to being overwhelmed.

As they've patched the game it's become less effective without proper coordination, but at pro level it's still insane.

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There's a difference between a "good strategy" and "the only strategy that works against all others" though.

obsessed

Best Heroes to deal with Orisa shield?

This game is shit because everyone want that dopamine shot through killings things and forget about their real roles. Thus, it's a community problem. It will only make itself right with proper role based queus

when they killed roadhog he used to be so much fun

good
that this "overwatch is an fps" meme can finally end
its a first person moba, an fpm

>implying goats is a problem in implying in general you get random people who are willing to fill on non DPS roles to run goats instead of instalocking hanzo and widow
>implying the pro meta is a great variety anyway, moreso than any time in the past, with multi DPS comps, bunker comps and even symm comps adding heaps of spice
>implying goats is anywhere near as oppressive as fucking dive which had an even more rigid composition and which also didn't allow for variety comps on certain maps. it was fucking dive on ever map on every round round no exceptions ever
>implying goats is anywhere near as bad as mercy meta which somehow made 24/7 dive look good in comparison

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Shoulda Played Battleborn

and the solution isn't that hard.
Just limit the number of off-healers to one.
But despite making all the restrictions like only one hero, blizzard is pussying out to do this

they should literally just patch out every new character since release

>was out of the loop with vidya for a time
>hear about OW, sounded good
>go to EB-stop
>see battleborn, looked kinda similar style
>ask the literal boomer lady that was managing the place
>she heaps praise on it
>mfw playing that shit when I got home

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When they killed roadhog because golds and under were too shit at the game

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>still not a single good overwatch skin

>Have to do the PvE achievements with randoms or like 1 friend because nobody else i have added plays OW anymore

This is how bad it is. Especially when the PvE events are the best seasonal content.

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frankenhog is 10/10 to me, personally. Ana's owl skin, Zen's cthulhu are pretty good too

I wanted more tank/support heroes always over DPS. But I think now we have enough supports at least. Perhaps 1 more tank. Supports have too great an impact on the meta and goats has shown that stacking supports can be too powerful. if they have good utility and a little bit of healing then the healing adds up and the utility becomes OP. There needs to be I think a DPS that counters offtanks specifically, dva in particular. something to dislodge her from the meta. mobility+matrix is just so fucking good she will always be a meta pick.

they should cap it to 2 healers max per team. maybe even capping tanks to 2 also and dps at like 3-4

yes but
>1000-3000 tokens
>only like 3 skins in the game change voice lines or particles
>40 cent skins in hots change EVERYTHING

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I miss old hog so much :(

When Ranked was implemented.

Ranked kills games. It turns everybody into a sweaty tryhard, while at the same time nobody takes Quickplay seriously enough so it's just filled with people who grief.

>Trying this hard to make it deep and complex

Fuck you fags are so annoying.

>remember when you could have 6 of the same hero on a team LMAO that's blizzard balance for you
Those were the fun days!

I remember having games of 6 Torbs or 6 Syms on defense. EZ wins. The Torb games you would have 800 armor packs thrown around for easy health pickups, so the enemy can't kill you and with the 6 turrets you were basically cheating by having a 12 man team versus a 6 man team. And with 6 Syms you just die and you come back to the front immediately because of the teleporters and they can't even touch those teleporters because of your turrets lol.

What pissed me most off about this game was Blizzard ruining these two unique characters and making them yet another offense hero, instead of actually making defense WORK.

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>Ranked kills games. It turns everybody into a sweaty tryhard

That means you're not competitive enough to play ranked. Fuck off. It's about showing who's the fucking best.

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tell that to paragon, which died almost exclusively because it couldn't draw it a crowd since it had no ranked mode and devs kept trying to fuck with a game that had no intelligent players. i remember the vast majority of ps4 players only played bots because they thought paragon was just a brawler and didnt know what lanes or turrets were

>Completely avoided the other problem Ranked causes
Quickplay is filled with griefers and trolls, it's unplayable.

You're exaggerating. Most of the time people play to win. But there's just a few bad matches where you get the occasional retard who do grief. It's not that bad.

I made it pretty clear that the entire thing is just "lots of healing + lots of tanking" though? I guess I overexplained some mechanics when I could've been more general.

I spend more time imagining ways for blizzard to fix the game than I do playing it. I really don't see them doing it unless they do a complete redesign of the game. The characters dont have enough depth to keep the simple objectives interesting. The only thing I can picture that might be interesting is like a large scale map with multiple objectives with like 12v12. Maybe players are forced to do something besides group up but characters are so simple theres no way for good players to stand out. They designed the game from the ground up too rigidly.

Or just balance the game better. SMITE has around 100 different characters and for the recent 1-2 years the balance has been surprisingly good. Last 2 pro tournaments only around 5-6 of these characters were never used whatsoever,all the others were used at some point.

Give half the Defence roster antiheal capabilities and suddenly you have the necessary rock-paper-scissors element in Overwatch again.

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>This is your brain on /pol/

Before doomfist came out
I realised that they don't know what they want out of the game and that it's all down hill

>thinks a ranked mode somehow harms a mode that by definition has no rules or expectations

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because teamwork is op (check bronze - plat noone runs goats there) and the only way to fix this is to make teamwork less profitable which they dont want to. If you want diversity the game needs a factor that doesnt exist already that makes individual skill more important than team work.

you can't compare a moba to a FPS. the pace is completely different.

They can never make the heroes perfectly balanced and therefor there will always be an optimal team comp. Why do the fans demand they keep changing it?

no one runs regular goats in any rank, at least not in your run of the mill randoms 6v6. None wants to fill lucio to be a speedboost bot. An inredibly clutch but boring component of goats. If they do no one wants to fill dva to be the DM bot, or birg to be stun bot, or rein to be the guy getting wailed on the whole time. The only fun part of goats is zarya.

people think pro meta has an impact on their own play

hmm... sounds like paladins, pretty sure jeff could sell it as something they came up with

Say what you will about the visual style but it's genuinely fun to play once you learn the correct strats, I'd rather play Blunderborn than Overwatch at this point.
The only thing that OW has over BBorn is visual style.

very true and I think this is part of the perception ppl have, in high ranks ppl try to be like the pros and on low ranks ppl just want individual glory.

Yeah, SMITE is actually faster-paced than Overwatch when it comes to teamfighting. Thats how bad TTK rate Overwatch has and I bet thats one of the main reasons people are growing bored of the game. Nobody likes playing with peashooters. A fight should be over in 1-5 seconds max. Also Paladins already does what I suggested and as a result has better balance overall, although the cards help a lot too.

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you would unironically be the only person online if you played it right now

even in high ranks goats is not a perma run by any means. it was at first when goats was solidifying it's place as the strongest comp, but now the people who are actually capable of playing it properly are sick of. ie pros and >4000 players. the ones who probably spend 4 hours a day playing it professionally. Now they all play off meta shit for the fun of it.

>A fight should be over in 1-5 seconds max.
I HATE what CoD has done to FPSs. People don't like actual back and forth in online games now, its just "I got the drop on your from behind so you're insta dead" or whoever has the better aim in a 3 second exchange.
Super fast TTK fucking blows. I far preferred the rate in Q1, Q3, and Wolf:ET. In those games the super fast TTK weapons were not hit scan (exception being the rail gun) and could be dodged, skill and awareness extend the fight and make it worth getting good at.

No, in many regards the problem is the opposite. Everyone is forced into awful chokepoitns where you die instantly with almost no counter-play unless you have a tank to hide behind. The shields are -far- too necessary to actually play the game. The levels need to be opened up, shields gutted, and average health needs to be increased to 250-300.

This is why I am losing 20 matches and maybe win one in the process. I can't shoot I lose, that is it. 1 or maybe 2 minutes of game then stomp.

>Super fast TTK fucking blows. I far preferred the rate in Q1, Q3, and Wolf:ET.
TTK in Wolf:ET was also around 1-3 seconds so it wasn't that much slower. It was on that juicy sweet spot that you didnt die instantly to someone with bad aim but fast enough that 2-3 shots to your head downed you anyway. 4-5 if you were on adrenaline as medic.

In SMITE 1v1 you die pretty much in 2-5 seconds if an assassin jumps on you and you're a glass cannon mage. Or vice versa if the assassin gets caught in your AoE. What makes the fighting fun is the fact every single shot is a skillshot, even ranged autoattacks are projectiles with delay on them.

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What is goats?
I havent played this shit in at least a year.

iirc its 3 tanks 2 healers 1 dps, usually the same characters on both teams every time

Zoomer here, why do people complain about healers in overwatch when Team fortress 2 had one as well? How was the medic fine but OW healers not?

I did

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Not really, a lot of Overwatch matches boil down to both teams jumping in circles around a capture point. And they can jump in circles for very long periods of time without anyone actually dying. And that shit is fucking boring. Lower TTK all across the board would mean Zarya bubble becomes way stronger when Zarya can punish spam with it and quickly incinerate the spammer with her beam. But now when the spammer gets healed, protected and can easily just jump in a circle to avoid that damage, fights get prolonged and spams in chokepoints get a prolonged role in a teamfight where thats the ONLY reliable way to deal damage.

The game needs more burst damage and more nukes, not less. Jumping around in a circle and slapping the enemy with a wet rag for 10 seconds is not fun. The fight being over in 2-5 seconds makes it exciting and therefore fun for both parties involved.

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first of all yikes. second of all, consider how hard it actually is to balance a game like OW. Both PC and console, console having a larger userbase. players ranging from turbo casuals to pro players in what is the first real organised league in esports history. A big part fo balance is people picking heroes and expecting to be able to use their special abilities to good effect. If fights were over in seconds whats the point of having abilites at all. might as well just play quake and have a choice between rockets, railguns and a machine gun. no abilities at all.

You either didn't play Quake or Wolf or you have no idea how long five seconds is. CoD is generally 0.5-1.0s TTK, not 1-5s.

i stopped doing teamplay a year or so ago, now i just shit around deathmatch.

>MORE burst damage
no holy shit fuck off the tanks just need to be less tanky. dps already die in 2 hits if they aren't being babysat

It was better at launch. Blizzard releases anti-patches.

*ahem*

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t. hasn't played ranked in months

TTK is not what they are talking about. overwatch is the same as cod. if you get the drop on someone and can aim you can gib them with a majority of the heroes. Even the weak offensive heroes can do it. Winston is one fo the weakest voer in a 1v1, but with proper use of abilties his jumppack and gun can assasinate a 200hp hero. teh DPS of some heros in those situations is crazy high. again, if you can aim.

it wasn't better at launch people just didn't know how to play the game. watcha pro vod of the early/beta tournaments. It looks like a random diamond game.

The last time I played, 76 wasn't gay yet.

The moment they said "The Toxicity is what is stopping stuff from being released" was the moment you had to realize as an observer that this is literally Blizzard needing an excuse to cover up the fact they've done nothing to better the game and there is enough ill will within the game that they can just be like "Oh it's all you guys being toxic which is the issue."
I bet they secretly love the fact there is toxicity in their game so that they don't have to do any work.

I don't know how you're STILL not getting it. IT IS NOT MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BALANCE/TWEAK/CHANGE THE GAMEPLAY. THAT IS NO MY OPINION. MY OPINION IT IS NOT. HOWEVER IT IS MY OPINION THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE OVERWATCH FANBASE THAT ASSUMES YOU CAN MAKE EVERY HERO VIABLE IN EVERY SITUATION. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE GIVEN THE PHYSICAL LAWS OF OUR UNIVERSE. NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE AT GAME DESIGN OR PROGRAMMING. I WOULD EXPLAIN NUMBERS TO YOU BUT 6 IS IN FACT LESS THAN 25. NO AMOUNT OF TWEAKING WILL MAKE 6 = 25. IT IS FUTILE TO THINK YOU CAN TWEAK THE META OR CHANGE IT SO THAT 6 = 25. ERGO BASING YOUR ENTIRE GAMES DESIGN AROUND HAVING 25 HEROES WHILE ONLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE 12 UNIQUE HEROES IN A SINGLE GAME IS STUPID. THAT IS UNLESS YOU PLAN ON CHANGING YOUR GAME EVERY 6 MONTHS TO ARTIFICIALLY CHANGE THE META. IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME EVERY 6MONTHS WHY NOT MAKE DIFFERENT GAMES INSTEAD OF BABYSITTING ONE GAME FOR 10 YEARS? DO YOU NEED A FOOD ANALOGY? IF YOU GIVE ME YOUR HOME ADDRESS I CAN GRAB A HAMMER AND COME REPEAT THIS POST TO YOU IN BRAILLE.

The immediate two posts before me in that chain are both explicitly talking about TTK. The post I was directly replying to was specifically talking about what "CoD has done to FPSs" and "Super fast TTK", which is a bad criticism to apply to Overwatch or Smite since those games have TTK similar to Wolf or even Quake 3 with the LG.

>Add one hero limit which drastically cuts down on viable counters
>Make healers too strong rather than making support characters that offer utility (Started with Ana, only got worse from there)
>overbuff defense matrix, refuse to nerf Zarya's damage or shield health, absolutely zero nerfs for Reinhardts kit since day one despite his dominance
>Never fixed the horrible spawn system that means anytime defenders wipe they will lose a key objective which means that the entire game revolves around dying the slowest

Here is how you fix Overwatch

Revert to the original day 1 release version. Do not patch the game again.

HEALERS AND "TANKS" HAVE NO RIGHTS TO EXIST IN A FPS GAME
IT'S NOT A FUCKING MMO
NO ONE HAS FUN PLAYING THEM
FUCK OFF

You clearly didn't actually play Quake 1, considering the thunderbolt does 30 damage a bolt for 300DPS.

You have clearly never flanked a widow as rein and charged her from behind while using your favorite voiceline

>420 damage (840 if you have roll available) right click hero McCree
>Simultaneously buggy as shit and busted as fuck Genji
>Buggy as shit Rein
>Buggy as shit D.Va
>Rez ping pong meta
>Zen dying to WM bodyshots
>Symmetra miles below the second least relevant hero
>double Lucio meta on koth maps
The most fun I had with OW was during its launch, not gonna lie, but launch OW was in a fucking horrible state and only its novelty clouded your judgement.

I think one fix could be to remove the hero switching and introduce Dota style drafting. If you want to keep the hero switching you could allow teams to draft 3 or 4 hero pool that they can switch to.

No because I don't play bronze and any Widow above the bronze would not get flanked by a fucking Reinhardt.

They need to convert the game into a looter shooter, hero shooters was an incredibly short fad that died out

People are unironically saying that Reinhardt is fine because he's melee only.

That's kind of what it was, though. It started life as an action MMO hybrid and some of the classes survived as characters, like Tracer.

>Revert to the original day 1 release version. Do not patch the game again.
Then it would just become 5-6xTracer meta again and it would be just as boring

based battlebro.

All of those good characters shouldn't have to die with such a shit game

>T.brainlet.
Overwatch is shit because TTK is too long. Nobody enjoys playing a game where you feel you're not actually doing any damage to anyone.

I never started playing because I'm not a retard who gives money to nu-blizz

As long as the both teams can freely pick their heroes and can pick the same heroes as the other team the meta will always be stuck with very small number of team comps.
The exact same thing would happen in Dota/LoL/whatever if both teams could freely pick from full pool of heroes. There would be one or two team comps that would be the optimal and everyone would just play those comps.

Come to play on console and you can carry any time if you are good.

>FPS
>Come to play on console

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I have never played this game.

They should introduce the hero elimination for winning team per round like they had in those other game modes. Now pro teams have to make a choice WHEN to use the overpowered team comps because you can only use them exactly once effectively. And lumping up all tanks into one single comp might be a dumb decision later on when you have no tanks left for that match to choose from.

I knew very early on that mystery heroes was the definitive way to play this game and that belief still holds true more than ever. I remember the one time OWL ran that game mode it was entertaining as fuck.

unless youre smurfing in gold your skill is irrelevant in OW, the team with the least amount of shitters wins 9/10 times

>FPS on console

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Too hard for you I guess.

There's a reason why pretty much everyone begged Blizzard to make the mystery heroes a permanent game mode when it was first available. If you could get exp from playing the Mystery Heroes it would be the only mode I would play.

Playing with my ass would be pretty hard too. That doesn't make it any more fun or preferred way to play.

same brooother

>never fell for the Overshit meme
>every thread I see about the game two+ months later is just describing how much worse the game is getting every update
Feels really good, but I feel bad for anyone who spent money on this too.

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having no hands and playing with my arm stumps would also be pretty hard but by no means fun

It gets worse because by Blizzards own admission, they listen to both casuals and pros when they balance shit. And casuals demand longer TTKs without realizing how it also affects their own capability of delivering damage and doing plays in the game. Dying in a shooter game is not fun, but having guns that slowly chip away damage from your target is even less fun.

>tfw never interested in overshit
>female friend buys it for me
>she never wants to play anything but overwatch
>enjoy the novelty for maybe 30 hours but get bored and fed up with retards so I stop playing entirely
>female friend almost never talks to me anymore because the only game she still plays is overwatch

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I bought OW at the launch and I don't regret it. It was fun for a while and I got more hours/dollar out of it than from most of the AAA games.

Sure

Thinly veiled pol thread but blizzard has tried repeatedly to get rid of goats but nothing is too effective. They arent willing to do too much or else it would render tanks or healers useless.

Imo if they wanted to fix pro league, mandate 2 heals/2 tanks/2 dps