6 days until release

6 days until release
Are you ready?

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>buying paradox games on release date
ill wait after 10 years when all the DLC has been released

Oh boy I sure am excited to wait half a decade until Nu-Paradox pumps out enough DLCs for this game so that it finally resembles something it should've been from the beginning.

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this

Yeah I can't wait to click buttons to spend mana.

I'm torn. I want to buy it because of the easy access to the mods the game will desperately need but I know it will be shit on launch and for months afterwards.

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>It's CK2 but with less content!
Why should I be excited for this exactly?

Except Stellaris peaked early and was subsequently ruined with each update. EU4 was better before the last 3 DLCs.

It has actual gameplay, unlike CK2 where you just wait for random shit to happen.

>one Consul
sorry not interested in your eu4 reskin.

Man, I want old Stellaris back.

So which side will you choose? I'm more of a roman myself but I'm going with greece because democracy.

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Fix stellaris first and make vassals worth it

>democracy.
LMAO
you know nothing about Greece then.

>American education

>democracy
>of demos and kratei
>demos means people
>kratei means power
>democracy means the power of the people
democracy doesn't mean universal suffrage you absolute moron

Stellaris was garbage from the start, the fact that paradox made it worse is just a testament how shitty nuparadox is

>tfw don't know enough of roman history to enjoy this game

Athenian Democracy lasted less than 100 years.

Greece as a whole was no more democratic than the Roman Republic.

They're the Kohr-Ah. Scared little bitches who broke free from tyranny and wanted to kill the rest of the world so nobody would be abl to fuck with them again. Worked predictably poorly once they ran into actual civilizations and not just unarmored shitflinging barbarians.

I'm not hyped for it. Still playing X4 with mods (especially the one that removes blacks). ANNO looks interesting but again chock full of brown blacks and women. I might still play it but it will be hard not to laugh at it. EU4 is a joke. Hoi4 is okayish sometimes with mods. Stellaris is just meh (I like space themes soase etc). Vicky2 is perma installed and I play it often but it's not enough.

You all have absolutely dogshit taste, stellaris only got better with its updates.

Wrong. It lasted almost 200 years, which is longer than any modern european nation.

hoi4 is on track to becoming the best paradox game ever, surpassing even hoi3autismsim
fight me
>hurr durr why doesn't *title* have a billion trillion features in game at launch
you guys are fucking retards. they HAVE skimmed the features but saying that you expect imperator to ship with CK2 features is completely insane and shows how little you actually understand about anything that isn't stroking your own dick

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No it was from 507 BCE to 460 BC and then had a short period of being revived but this was when Athens was politically impotent and irrelevant.
Also Athenian democracy =/= all of Greece's political system.

>you guys are fucking retards. they HAVE skimmed the features but saying that you expect imperator to ship with CK2 features is completely insane and shows how little you actually understand
Seems like you don't understand how things work. It doesn't matter when they release the game. What matters is how it stacks up against other games that are played that have had updates or mods at the time they release.

Map looks more fun than any other Paradox game. Usually it's just 16 blobs that block any progress; this is going to be a free-for-all.

>one consul
>magna germania isn't in the game but bumfuck scandinavia is because swedes can't stop fellating themselves

Nah I'm good

>paint arrow
>win war

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Why would I CA perfected Rome II in 2018. There’s no better game for the era

>Invent democracy
>Irrelevant

You are a retard. Just because rome became an empire doesn't mean it didn't have a republican legacy that reverberated in the region long after its irrelevance.

Which of these spreadsheet simulators is set during medieval periods again?
always wanted to give them a try

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LMAO nice try fucking casual niggerkid, did you play with full handicap as well? git fucking gud you scrub

I agree with you, but it's still total shit.

you seem new to paradox games. blob is life.

ck2
>spreadsheet simulators
they aren't. you're just too dumb to see what's going on, kys yourself you inbred hick

Swedes were mentioned in Germania. Your bumfuck celts in northern britain and ape-people in poland weren't.

>magna germania
>Niggers who hate civilization
>Always run around and burned their own settlements and raped each others
>scandinavia
>At least had settlements

Hoi 4 has one of the ugliest UIs I have ever seen. The game itself is terrible but that map and UI blow me away every time I see them with just how fucking bad they are.

Thanks.
And sure, I guess

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>magna germania
That's actually historically accurate because that area was basically a huge and empty swampy forest. It was mostly uninhabited, unlike southern scandinavia/denmark from which all the germanic tribes originated.

Athens was politically irrelevant and had a slight revival of their democratic system. They no longer were major players in Greece.
You are the retarded one. It wasn't restored till 307 BC.
books.google.com/books?id=1QOvJ14Jxv8C&dq=alexander to actium&q="backed puppet dictator"#v=snippet&q="backed puppet dictator"&f=false

>play on hard, give enemies bonuses
>paint arrow
>win war

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>m-muh UI
>I-I haven't actually played the game but m-muh UI
don't fucking @ me again you permavirgin

It doesn't matter, you retard. That's like saying the italian city states were irrelevant during the renaissance because they weren't the regional powers.

I'm ready to pirate it, play it for 30 minutes and get bored.
Looks shallow as fuck, just like the rest of the genre.

>be a retard
>don't know how anything works
>make claim "this is boring"
>think this makes argument relevant

>UR RETARDED
>NO U
> NO U
>NO U

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You literally have no argument here. Athenian democracy only lasted around 100 years. Once it was revived Athens was politically irrelevant, had a puppet dictator installed, and there was a power struggle between the politicians and wealthy elite.
You are too stupid to insult, and no longer worth the (you)'s

Having democracy makes them relevant.

You will never in your whole life find someone who agrees with you. Have fun spouting nonsense.

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I liked the time Athens passed the law that stated any woman seen in public was a prostitute.

They weren't wrong. Who said democracy doesn't work

>democracy.
LMAO
you know nothing about Greece then.

>Having democracy makes them relevant.
It quite literally did not.
>You will never in your whole life find someone who agrees with you
This is not an opinion I magically manifested. It is an objective fact that many historians have recognized and wrote numerous books about, much like the one I linked already.

Greece had an oligarchy longer than it had democracy.

Great argument. Mankind were nomads longer than they were civilized, so we're not actually civilized.

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So then you acknowledge that calling Greece a democracy is foolish.
I don't think you know how arguments work.

>america is actually a tribal nativist society, not a republic

>Strawman

My only argument is that you're retarded, and so far you've proven me correct with every post.

>Greece has a democracy in Athens for about 100 years
>retards say Greek was democratic
>Greece had a monarchy for about 1000 years bartleby.com/essay/Monarchy-and-Tyranny-in-Ancient-Greece-P3C22TRAVJ
>retards keep calling it democratic

Friendly reminder that they did nothing wrong.

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We've been a republic longer than anything else. Yea Forums sure is stupid.

Is there a way to unite Großgermania in ancient era?

>the native americans only lived in america for a short span time and started populating the continent only 20 years before columbus' maiden voyage

Just realised the game play area is mainly just where rome had taken.

Except some random ass chunk of land in sweden?
What's the point of that? Can they even interact with the UK or rest or Europe?

>Achieve nothing while also ruining the roman republic and dying

Bros before Romes

>democracy
oh boy are you retarded

They're like mini-continents so blobs can have some rivals in the endgame. Scandinavia is like the new world, separated and technologically inferior but extremely powerful if united and modernized.

> they did nothing wrong.
But they did, they commited the only crime you're not allowed to make in history: they lost.

what? it stretches all the way to india

okay, but why is there still empty parts in europe? I get having the sahara be blank because its a desert but you telling me no one lived past the Rhine except a small group of cunts up in Sweden?

>Just realised the game play area is mainly just where rome had taken.
It's to india and tibet
aka every country that was relevant and known about in that period
Germans were barbaric niggers who literally killed and sacrificed their own tribesmen who tried to build houses and shit

>Achieve nothing
A lot of their reforms stuck. Hell the grain dole continued and expanded for centuries becomming and remaining one of the most important things about politics within Rome itself.

>Germans were barbaric niggers who literally killed and sacrificed their own tribesmen who tried to build houses and shit
Propaganda by butthurt r*mans trying to get over the fact they got their asses kicked everytime they tried to venture into Germanic territory

(Everyone knows the Roman women craved the Big Germanic BVLL)

Seems extremely weird that they would go all the way to Han's borders and not include it. I think it's pretty fucking obvious what the first expansion is going to be.

Not sure why chinks love EU4 so much. East asia is a super boring region due to Ming owning everything.

>I get having the sahara be blank because its a desert but you telling me no one lived past the Rhine except a small group of cunts up in Sweden?
they aren't empty. people live there, just not any notable civs
germanics eventually came down from scandinavia to populate the entire region

why's central europe so desolate?

True, but the political opposition wasn't that severe that they had to resort to sacrilege and violence. Whatever their goal was I'm sure they weren't planning that.

I know, right? I miss the days when it was called "gold". Now that was a good mana system

Dumbass. Milan was an ambrosian republic for like a month IRL and it's still the most defining feature about them in EU4.

One thing that makes me depressed that there is no data bout countries / tribes living in Poland, Lithuana and east from them.
They are finding battlefields with ~10k soldiers. Having same ethnic background as today Poles / Germans. Amazing quality of weaposn, jewelery. etc. Yet we know nothing cause Romancucks were affraid to expand north east.
Anyway if you wont do first run as Rome youre doing it wrong.

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>they had to resort to sacrilege and violence
It was their opponents who did this by sending an armed mob to the forum and murdering a tribune within Rome and then summarily executing hundreds of Roman citizens without trial.

Yeah, besides beating the shit outta Greeks, north Africans and Arabia, they totally sucked

I'm assuming the white area between them is possible to control and the grey is the border?

I've only ever played CK2 so i'm not super familiar with EU's expansion into previously unused land

>They are finding battlefields with ~10k soldiers. Having same ethnic background as today Poles / Germans. Amazing quality of weaposn, jewelery. etc
>Yet we know nothing cause Romancucks were affraid to expand north east.
Holy shit

The only real civilization there were the Greeks, and it was a Phyrric victory. AKA they got their asses kicked.

Ancient democracy has absolutely nothing to do with modern democracy
Also, by your logic, the roman republic would still count as democracy.

Just pirate it lad

To be fair, that is true for the eternal albions

How is it the romans fault those fucking barbarians didn't bother writing shit down?

>defeat and conquer them
>"t-they totally got their asses kicked you guys"

It was. Republic are more democractic than hereditary. Senators and tribunes of the pleb were elected by roman citizens, but I think maybe it doens't entirely qualify because councils didn't go through the same process.

Sure, and which side of the empire survived the next 1500 years?

So why were romans sperging out so much whenever someone said anything about kings?
>be Caesar
>be the first roman in both britannia and germania
>defeat all of your enemies inside rome
>soldiers and roman citizens love you
>someone somewhere mentions that you might soon crown yourself king
>instantly get murdered despite it being a false rumor

>implying Carthage wasnt far more civilized than smelly future ottomans

Certainly not the greeks!

plenty of people went far beyond the corners of the empire, user
pytheas for example

because they had 500 years of being ruled by themselves

>waaaah why won't the Romans record our history for us??
Slavs are mere beasts by nature, unworthy of attention from actual humans

how did they make the UI that fucking ugly what an achievement

Thoughout history, nobody's ass was kicked harder than that of rome's during the second punic war. Hannibal's tiny, unsupported, inexperienced and exhausted army should've been wiped out in 3 seconds.

They really, REALLY, did not like the last king they had.
It was such a bad experience that even when they became an empire they pulled the Princeps thing to pretend it wasn't the same thing and kept an entirely irrelevant Senate.

There's a difference between the white area and the gray area. The white area can be colonized, the gray area is where the map ends.

To be fair, they had fucking Hannibal. He was basically proto-Belisarius.

*I look away from the monitor so I don't see the UI

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Romans were not fans of describing shit they couldnt deal with.
Just as Christian Europe later on. Somehow when middle / eastern european countries were being treated with ~1000 AD they were called unorganized tribes but after being baptised somehow in matter of days they were creating working countries, with infrastructure, armies, kings, captiols and such. Sometimes bigger and more prospering then other european nations. Joining rich bois club on west was putting you on cards of written history.
Different cultures had different ways of progress.

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??????

>can colonize fucking Sahara
>but not the breadbasket of civilization, north eastern Europe

Dude, Julius didn't get murdered for several years. He sat in Rome and just kept re-electing himself, thinking nobody would notice.

>Kill both of the enemy's commanders before the battle even starts and then encircle a far larger army

King of the madmen.

You can't pull whatabouts when shitting on Romans to defend (irrelevant shithole "states"), when they're the most successful, oldest empire in history besides China and maybe ancient Egypt.

And Persia. And Maurya.

And what a side of the empire that was, with laws so fucking complicated and backwards that nothing fucking worked.
They kept the same laws and costumes they had in classical rome and people are still surprised when they read that Byzantium fell because of how fucking incompetent it was.

Fuck Byzantium, it's the equivalent of dressing up a corpse in a toga and pretending it's still alive

I'm not that good with ancient history, shit's confusing.

This user said >Sure, and which side of the empire survived the next 1500 years?
You respond with Are you being dense on purpose or just ignorant?

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...are you retarded?
Sahara wasn't such shithole before romans cut all trees in north africe
>>but not the breadbasket of civilization, north eastern Europe
Puting aside that north eastern europe was place where no society could live until warming made this lands more okay(which happened after christ)
what the fuck are you talking about

>nothing worked
>lasted until 1453

How long has your shithole country been independent for? Since 1945? Byzantium had issues but not working was the last of them.

After buying EU4 and like 7 of the DLCs I will never ever buy a paradox game again. If their DLC was half as much as it is I would consider but until then I'll just keep pirating.

I'll try it, maybe buy it. I enjoy the paradox games but im poor loser so

>that Byzantium fell because of how fucking incompetent it was.
No civilization survived mass migration period though
Eastern romans had a chance, but germanic niggers attacked them in the back and sacked Constantinople letting muslims conquer even more lans

>caring about nuParadox shit
lmao

Pulling east/west rome as a reply to the statement that Romans conquered Greeks and did in fact not "get their asses kicked" is an irrelevant sidetracking to begin with.

All because their crosses had an extra line added to them.

When the ottomans stormed actually they just walked in through a back door someone forgot to lock constantinople you could probably hear people shouting "THE POPE IS REAL THE POPE IS REAL PLEASE HELP US"

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Because it had the greatest luck of any state during its time. The number of times some Komnenos or Palaiologos-tier figures swing in and pull the Empire back from the brink of death is absurd.

>WE DINDU NUFFIN IT'S DOSE EVIL GERMANS WE TRIED TO KILL AND ENSLAVE
Maybe if you didn't go full retard by enslaving everyone, people wouldn't hate you so much

>Lasted until 1453

Boy I sure do love living a long life of being raped by venetians, turks, arabians, persians, random hordes and everybody else who borders me until my "empire" consists of one big city.
Read up on how law worked in Byzantium and tell me how that travesty was working. It was so bad that calling something Bizantino meant something was overcomplicated.

It doesn't matter how much your country has lived for, but how life was in it.
By your logic Italy was the shittiest fucking place to live in the universe until 1861, even though it was full of rich and modern cities and regional states.

Nobody ever heard of those states though so they're a failure.
It's basically why USA is the greatest nation in history, because thousands of years from now, euros will still be obsessed with us.

how ignorant can you be? Do you really think a state that didn't innovate at all and was backwards could survive for a thousand freaking years in the cut-throat world that was the middle ages? Beset on both sides by foes that want to crush them? Byzantium protected fledgeling western Europe for centuries against the expansion of Islam, they were the most powerful European nation economically and militarily. Byzantium was also a cultural centre and Constantinople housed a million people at its height. Meanwhile in Western europe a city was a few ten thousand people...
Byzantium did a shit tonne of innovating, they did not just do the same crap for a thousand years. Intelligence agencies, flamethrowers and grenades are all eastern roman inventions, fuck you, those bitches were awesome. They'd still be around if retarded ass back stabbing crusaders hadn't sacked the capital in 1204.

>Byzantium is made up word by germans in 1800s because they couldn't live with knowledge of their inferiority
>also they made up word Bizantino

>Spend centuries flip flopping between being allied with the Catholics and the Muslims
>Sometimes these flips in allegiances came during fucking Crusades
>Consider your Christian "brothers" in the West to be the same barbarians in the east
>Pull the Massacre of the Latins
>Get rightly curbstomped during the 4th Crusade after one final betrayal
>REEE FUCKING GERMANICS RUINING MY BYZANTIUM
Why are Byzaboos so clueless?
youtube.com/watch?v=yH5ccW1_DUg

Persia had a third of the entire world's population in it. I don't think anything else ever even came close to that again.

And it kept coming back over and over again, though they got less impressive as time went on.

What's the difference between orthodoxy and the typical Christians anyway? All I know is that Slavs bless their bombs with silly dressed up priests in the name of orthodox church

Patriarchy instead of papal submission.

Christianity has had terrible rifts ever since it first became a state religion, and despite their efforts they just couldn't agree on anything, setting up the next 1200 years of religious strife in Europe.

>we can thank retarded east Romans for allowing western degeneracy and the death of traditional values to thrive
Once again, the eternal Roman strikes again.

>they were the most powerful European nation economically and militarily
>lose and get fucked by everyone costantly

Geeze, sure was a great powerful empire.
Even then, an empire that falls because of one loss against Venetians led by literally a 90 year old blind dude isn't really great.

Meanwhile France and England were becoming actual countries that worked.

But ehy they created a thing that goes boom, that was so cool.

well it's not like the Romans protected the West out of kindness, it was just a by product of not wanting to just give away their ancient nation to the arabs, persians and turks
urbs aeterna, amice

Everyone allied muslims at some point. Notably Poland and France had alliances with the Ottomans. The many kingdoms of the iberian peninsula would often ally with the muslim invaders, forming andalusia.

This isn't imperator's time period though.

>Meanwhile France and England were becoming actual countries that worked.

Oh please. Civil war and revolution bonanza.

>Meanwhile France and England were becoming actual countries that worked.
Worked so much that they got engulfed into a century long succesion war more devastating then any other civil war of the Byzantine Empire.

Mostly indulgence
Orthdox believes that praying and feeling remorse for your sins is enough, and get angry when people tell them that you can just pay money to Pope

Of course, but I've never met a Frenchaboo who thought that France was some morally pure bulwark against Islam which existed exclusively to fight them off like Byzaboos think their empire was do for some reason.

there's a few centuries between 476 and 1204 you know.
The blind guy did not personally lead the assault, the crusaders just using a confusing situation to their advantage
It didn't fall after 1204, but that was the beginning of the end for the romans

>countries that worked
ah yes, France and England worked so well back in the early to late middle ages, no conflicts there at all. You are foolish to think Byzantium woul dnot have modernised if it was able to survive until modern times

Intelligence agencies do not go boom, it is a very smart way of keeping your enemies at bay

>Antigonid Kingdom still called Phrygia
>Phrygia wasn't even Antigonus' original satrapy

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Meet more people then. France stopped the muslim advance into europe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY AS PONTUS

imagine stuffing a corpse and making it watch tv, if that thing isn't haunted I'd be shocked.

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Imagine being such a cucked empire, the guys who shat all over you simply takes your name with the blessing of the guy you made to be the head of your church

>there's byzaboos
What's next? Angloboos?

Where are the SeleuCHADS in this thread?

imagine being so cucked you simply take the name of the guys who shat all over you

I will pirate it but i expect nothing more than a barebone map painter with a lot of "buy those dlc to unlock the rest of the game".

Greece democracy was an oligarchy. Btw im italian so i side roman.

Non-existing, much like their pretend empire

I can already tell which nation is going to be this game's Albania

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LMAO, Germany (aka HOLY Roman empire) never conquered by Romans.
Meanwhile Germans entered Rome so many times it became addicted to GERMAN BVLLS

>The map square follows the bend of the earth

Neat

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>Muh Tours
Yes yes everybody has heard about that but after the Charlemagne died they spent the remainder of the Middle Ages dealing with dynastic fuckery and their eastern border. Also
>Implying the Franks were actually French

>things that go boom
You don't get to be backwards and invent sophisticated foreign policy and complex mechanical devices, user

Nice

was talking about france but ok

When I think about it, Europe is just one big cuckfest. Nobody anywhere there was natives

Paradox games can actually be more enjoyable before they bloat them with a gazillion modifier DLCs and updates. Definitely gonna pirate this map-painting mana manager though.

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I don't get the mana meme. It's a worthless argument when people have no issues with gold, food, manpower and other mechanisms that basically boils down to being the same as the "mana"

I'm ready to pirate it and its gorrilion of DLC.

because you'll be able to buy mana for paradox $$

I know that it will not fix the fundamental issues with paradox games, so why bother?
I'm waiting for the dwarf fortress equivalent of grandstrat to be developed. Where mechanics and consistent challenge throughout the game take precedent over historical accuracy and larping as countries.
Where losing your empire is an inevitability to you try to delay.

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Originally it was because you couldn't control your mana income. Need more men? Don't go to war. Need more money? Disband some troops. Need more mana? Pray that your heir isn't trash.

Now here's my question for you; why do people automatically say RNG makes a game bad? Why do people want to play the exact same game over and over again with no variation?

>manpower
>used for things that require men
>gold
>used for things that cost money
>bird mana
>used to recruit admirals, advance naval technology, advance trade, diplomatic, espionage, influence, maritime, exploration idea groups, peace deals, culture conversion, culture promotion, inviting minorities, reducing war exhaustion, changing rivals, promoting mercantilism, changing trade port, annexing vassals, pressing a magic button to increase production in a province
You get situations where converting the culture in a province completely arbitrarily hinders your ability to recruit an admiral.

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>losing in DF
Your image is a a faulty portrayal of you

Can Sarmatia form Poland?

>Where mechanics and consistent challenge throughout the game take precedent over historical accuracy and larping as countries.
>Where losing your empire is an inevitability to you try to delay.
Just build drawbridges lmao. I do wish empires were more fragile in Paradox's map painters though, as they were historically.

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Why the fuck aren't there any Germanic tribes that Rome actually dealt with on a regular basis, i.e. Batavi, Chatti, Suebi, Frisii, etc.

I think I even saw Saxons who wouldn't be a thing until like the second century a.d.

Because nu Yea Forums is cancer and trying to come with retarded reasons to criticize game
Yes, gold in most of paradox games was always pure arbitrary mana, but most of nu Yea Forums never even played paradox game before ck2

something about the marble UI and the shitty icons makes it look like a game from 2002

DLC

I just want to grab that iberia and blob it

They are
They just called barbarians

You can earn gold in different ways, mana is artificially finite because paracucks don't want you to have too much fun.

Starting date is like 500 BC. Any normal game will be over loooooong before the roman empire.

>Yes, gold in most of paradox games was always pure arbitrary mana, but most of nu Yea Forums never even played paradox game before ck2
not an argument

Didn't played eu4 much, but pretty sure there were many things that influenced grow of adm/mil and whatever third was
So no, you always will be newfag cancer in my eyes

You're the target audience then. Game is full of retarded non historical/fantasy shit.

Based and Starcontrollpilled my fellow Ur-Quan

Which makes it 10/10

Was Hispania and Gaul really this settled by the 300BC? Every single province(or city as they call it now, wtf) has a tribe in it, border to border. I would have imagined there'd be a bunch of unclaimed territory just due to population density, even if they are settled/federated tribes.

Only Gormany and east europe has migratory tribes in game, and room to move around. For an age where colonization was fairly common there is very little room to colonize to.

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The ways to increase mana are:
-advisors: who were exponentially more expensive with levels
-50+ of whatever gave you 1:1:1
-one specific kind of war goal which was unpractical to do
-events
-being EOC and havibg tribs (niche)
out of those only advisors gave you any kind of mana gain direction and using a lvl2 had a higher cost then 3 lvl1 making it another across the board mana gain
even with those the game was built against over researching and over expanding because it lacked late game content and instead just gimped your late game

Most dull setting known to mankind. No thanks. Also, they butchered Stellaris over time. It'll happen to this as well.

Ah yes, forgot estates, which are minigame of clicking buttons periodically to maximise the mana you get from them.
Just like everything else they are played the same every game.

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Again, how is that rome/western europes problem? If you fuckers didn't even write down your own history, then its hardy the Romans fault for not understanding you enough to write it down for you

Even though I really love the setting, sadly its a Paradox game. These are only ever good after the first 2-3 patches/DLCs.

Does anybody know if different Civs get different units this time around? Everybody having Legionairs would be kind of dumb.

Mod for korean-finnish hyperwar when?

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All countries have access to the same basic unit types, but as I understood it there are going to be differences in how they actually function. For example everyone who has access to iron can produce heavy infantry, but for Macedonia heavy infantry might be phalanxes while for the Romans you get sword-wielding legionnaires. I assume there are differences in what they are good at but I can't recall exactly.

Because noone else came up with using shields, swords and spears? Romans didn't invent any of that. It's the cost of fielding legions that restricted them to empires, not the tech

>Democuck

Mana is a bad arbitration. Rather than build systems around certain mechanics, they just lump yet another thing under the mana system.

An example of this is pop assimilation: In Victoria 2 pops would naturally assimilate to your country's dominant culture depending on a variety of things, like country cores, political reforms, or the culture of the pops themselves(like how Ashkenazi Jews have a huge assimilation "debuff" so they don't assimilate at all, which is historically accurate).
On the other hand you have mana where you just click a button then all of your pops are converted. Yay.

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>Sitting around and waiting for things to happen is better than having to manage resources to get something done

Wow, you must fucking love CK2.

>democracy
Lol what a gay

>India
when will this meme end

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The risk of having unconverted pops and having to actually deal with them having a higher chance at rebelling is way more interesting gameplay-wise than mana converting them. It's just a fucking stupid system that removes any complexity these games have.

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>clicking le ebin magic button is better than producing the conditions for things to happen organically
hello johan

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IE:Rome unironically has the best release UI of any Paradox game.

fuck democracy

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Doing things > Doing nothing
Dispute this.

No it isn't. And culture conversion in EU4 is based on surrounding culture, so you have to consider converting to your culture (expensive) or nearby culture (cheap, but pointless unless the culture is made accepted, which only a limited amount of cultures can be)

Great example. For me.

>Boi
Who the hell named their country Boi?

The map looks great too, way better than the playdough abortion that was EUIV map

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So what's the deal?
Is this gonna be like CK2 with lineages and random events and shit or what?

Why is there so many self-hate among Paradox players?

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Will Christianity pop up? Seems a little late in the game but it's too important to be omitted.

I really like the Victoria 2 pop system.
The people you recruit are from your population and they can have their own desires, jobs, political leanings.
It's so fucking great and makes it feel so much more realistic.
Then you get faggs like faggot say one button is so much more simple.
These people are the casuals ruining my autistic map drawing simulator games.

>implying Jewhan won't add China in two years

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dadwa

I think that the game will stop the moment Jesus Christ is born, considering that the timeline is based on BC years.

Game ends before Christos. It will most likely be DLC tho, there is alot of years between the end of IE and the beginning of CK2.

The timeline ends with the fall of the republic, so well before before Jesus was born. Please look forward to DLC which expands the playable timeline!

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>ugh what should have been

I think I'll wait a few months before buying it. I'll wait until the first 1 or 2 DLCs.

Unironically

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>FDR almost Wilson'd Europe even harder

Who's gonna play a tribe in Gaul here ?

Christ, literally nobody gives a single shit about this time period. Why do they refuse to make games set in actual interesting and relevant world history like the Civil War or the American Revolutionary War? At least these eras shaped the world.

The northern Arabians were the only ones who fought the Romans. The Romans defeated the Nabateans after the latter attacked the Jews. Though Arabians like Tanukhids who were led by a female warrior named Mawia defeated the Romans but later made peace with them, only to be betrayed by them. Though this was in the late 4th and early 5th centuries so Rome was not the same as the Rome that conquered Carthage.

China and Rome knew of each other though

Correction: Before Islam, the northern Arabians were the only ones who fought the Romans.

Where's my Paradox game that runs through all of known human history right up to the present day and then beyond into the future?

That's what I want. You start in the year 10000 BC and play all the way through to 2019, then you keep fucking going into the future.
Where is it faggot?

>interesting
>american civil war and american revolutionary war

There's literally two sides and that's it, how is that interesting for a grand strategy game.
You play it twice and that's it.

>The Roman empire didn't shape the world
Wew lad.

Works for HoI, with axis vs allies, just two sides too

That's no excuse to put them in the same game dictated by the same fucking mechanics.

>Yea Forums hates the only neckbeard studio on the market

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Nabateans (Northern Arabians) were civilized and had significant contact with Greeks before Rome reached its height, even had their own architecture. Same could be said of Semitic peoples of Palmyrene.

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Of course they are two sides but there's multiple countries on each side and you can change multiple factors.

American revolutionary war is a revolution between the USA and England
The civil war is the confederate and the union.
That's it.

The only, and I mean ONLY, way to make it work is making a game in which you control a single state, but still that's kind of fucking boring when you'll be making the same federation all the time.

If you want to make a grand stategy game set in america you'd need something like Fallout's world.

the eu4 trade system is the most retarded shit on the face of this earth

For real, it's so convoluted that I never bothered to deal with it except to collect my money from the most valuable trade nodes. Why couldn't they just make it simple like in EU3?

For me it's the Bosporan Kingdom

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Fuck you it's the best part about EU4 and has nver been replicated elsewhere. It's like a game in itself and mastering it makes you a golden boy.

*gets bitchsmacked out of existence by Julius*

not only is whole node system stupid as fuck that break in areas like asia and the HRE, the fact you have to micro manage merchant ships after every war. it's not muh realism and its not good gameplay.

I hate Johan and his obsession with mana and multiplayer

1. send traders to steer trade to some node near you
2. send light ships to protect trade that will give you the highest income

not that hard you faggots

Are you actually getting upset at an imaginary and highly unlikely scenario?

>Hannover is US not UK
???

I'm ok with them putting India in, it means I won't border nothingness when I play my big dick Parthians.

Bitches don't know about my caravan power or province modifiers

>he hates multiplayer
Ah, a fellow casual who prefers to play against predictable AIs to feel good at games instead of fighting intelligent human players

Fuck Yang Wenli
Fuck Julian
AND FUCK TRUNICHT

It's the other way around. Humans are too busy caring about themselves and doing things for their own benefit. The AI doesn't give a shit, that OPM will coalition your ass and take 15 loans to build up a monstrous army if it means being a thorn in your side.

>victoria 2
>full of arbitrary mana like leadership
>nu Yea Forums aka people who never played game now show it as example

literally who cares when you have merchants everywhere from your colonies

eu rome mechanics are great for china though, unlike ck2
Also china was major player in that period

First people in Americas settled there 14000 bc

interesting non-sequitur you fucking mong

>leadership drawn from your officer population used to recruit leaders is mana
fuck off johan

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>Building colonies

You really love flushing money and resources down the drain, huh?

>power of the people means this small specific group of people have the power

SPARTACHADS RISE UP !

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I'm really interested getting in to games like these but after trying ck2 the resolution is all fucked for 2k even with mods and all the tricks so i cant justify wasting hundreds to some DLCs where i heard the fun starts, so my question is is it safe to use cream.api on main account and why hasnt gaben banned anyone yet for using it? It should be easy to detect?

>colonies are so slow and expensive it takes half the game for them to even become profitable
>paradox nerfs them and makes them even more shit
how can one dev be this retarded?