Yeah nah people absolutely have to identify as the playable character. It's not like the game was a slog to play through. It's not like the dialogue was pretentious and boring. It's not like the pacing of combat was atrocious or the voice acting added little if anything to the narrative. The minigames attached to each attack didn't reward skill and provided minimal return for the investment and took forever.
Fucking gamers can't appreciate the next Ayn Rand, Arthur Conan Doyle, or Haruki Murakami. No they get triggered by piece of shit unlikeable characters that never evolve or get interesting.
It's that games are toys for children and incapable of providing anything meaningful, impactful, or thought provoking.
That's odd since I've seen games pull this off before and I'm sure they will again. Is this just zoomer entitlement?
T. pirated the game and needed game engine speed tripled to make it even worth giving any time to.
>i basically tried to make a video game of authors nobody has ever heard. Oh you haven't heard of them? Pleb
Jayden Watson
Stop making this fucking thread.
Liam Gray
Literally hipster as fuck
Ayden Myers
>I was trying to make basically the videogame version of, like, a Chuck Palahniuk novel or a Haruki Murakami novel Look at Phil Fish 2.0 over here
Asher Peterson
>Makes a bad game >NO YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BAD!!
I hope this stops people from pushing the "games are art" movement just so we can have less of these pretentious faggots in the industry pushing out garbage like this
Chase Nelson
well maybe you should've realised that games aren't novels and tried making a good game instead
Ayden Smith
yiik? more like yiikes
Brandon Miller
fish at least had 1 reasonably well-liked game to his sad name
The mentioned authors are popular enough to be well known by anyone who has ever read a book after high school.
Isaiah Ramirez
You'd be bitter too if your game got shat on by every possible party when it released. They are largely in the wrong for a lot of things like not realizing how tasteless the Iwata gravestone would be or that time it tried to get political, but something just went catastrophically wrong and they lost the Earthbound clone audience 100%. I have to wonder, was it just the gender thing that soured them on it? Or was this the final straw where even they started to realize how these sorts of RPGs are so derivative?
I haven't played it so I can't be final, but if we're talking about objective flaws, the lack of gameplay polish must have been a killer. That, and they never quite found their niche. It still confuses me why the audience who would normally buy into this shit was so hyper-critical of it.
Juan Myers
I guess he thought he succeeded in doing that.
Daniel Flores
Wow and I thought I was the only one who watched that faggot
Odd Haven't heard of any of those authors except Ayn Rand throughout my entire high school and college career.
Sebastian Walker
so he wanted to make something like yurope 2 where the protag starts out as a jerk and becomes likable by the end but forgot to make the voyage funny, fun, or impactful along the way?
Holden Caulfield at least stood for something, even if he was totally unlikable and whiny. He wasn't written just to be annoying.
Christian Lopez
what game is this in reference to
Jaxson Thomas
>lemonade DAMN IT WE NEED TO RUN
Aaron Hill
>Never heard of the author of fight club
Matthew Allen
Why is it that every time a shitty dev and and their shitty games are involved they always gotta name drop some shit like that? Like just by going from recent memory:
>Battleborn - “we are mixing things up like Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop >Lawbreakers - “TARANTINO-ESQUE CHARACTERS”
And now this.
Isaiah Torres
Imagine stating that you were just trying to make a derivative work, and then going on to say that it was supposed to be some sort of artistic breakthrough.
Aiden Walker
Cool story bro
Robert Garcia
Wasn’t this the game that was deemed too söy even by kotaku? I thought that was pretty impressive.
Matthew Sanchez
Funny how the YIIK dev sounds EXACTLY as I pictured him.
Charles Brooks
watch the golden alpaca fight
Alexander Jenkins
Dafuq? Listen to the webm, he wouldn't admit to doing anything wrong and defended all his dumb decisions while you could hear the other people just pretend to find no fault with it.
Swear to god I can't escape the retards on this place lately. Find someone else to cling to please.
I'm sympathetic to his situation. The game's biggest flaw is the tedious combat but most of the people critiquing the game didn't bother to mention that. It was all complaints about hipsters, sjws, elisa lam, racism, Iwata's grave, etc. It has got to suck to be hated by everyone.
Easton Wilson
the developer claims to have sped up the minigame attacks and addressed other complaints
Did you play the recent version? Also important, how do you speed the game engine up? I want to play it but if it's a slog then I wanna double or maybe triple speed it.
>Declare your game to be "post-modern" >First trailer is cryptic as shit with no real gameplay >First gameplay footage shows a single random encounter to be a gigantic chore with the same slow and boring WarioWare-esque minigames repeated dozens of times for a single fight >It's set to the WORST FUCKING BATTLE THEME EVER >For a few years only ever show more and more characters lecturing you on progressive ideas >Act surprised no one wants to play it
He also forgot to make the jerk protag learn or better himself. The MC remains a cocksucker up to the very end, screeching "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON" the entire time in between bouts of inner monologue where he pretends to feel remorse for his erratic self-serving behavior but then doesn't actually do anything about it. The rest of the supporting cast / party members are basically non-characters.
Meanwhile, a stupid fucking plot with basically no real substance is stretched out for tens of hours by really bad long-winded dialogue (alternating between meaningless exposition regarding souls and the scene by scene lolsorandum pop culture references trying to pretend it's the 90s but comes off as some 2010 hipsters who don't actually know/remember shit about the 90s) and the slowest fucking RPG combat gimmicks ever.
Mason Jackson
Mostly in the west. There are good western games with story. Ubisoft made great content and the witchery series.
Japs make some great story driven games.
This dude is a fucking hipster to the bone. Pretentious shit head. I don't know why western indies are like this.
Dylan Diaz
I said that tedious combat is the game's biggest flaw but it's definitely not its only flaw. The story is bad but plenty of good games have bad stories. I would rather they fixed the gameplay than the story.
Liam Miller
Blame hipster culture.
Oliver Perez
>2019 >Not going full LEMONADE Thats a Yiik for me dawg.
>>Battleborn - “we are mixing things up like Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop
You see, those two worked because they combined anachronistic elements and both thematically and in visual design, they blended seamlessly. Samurai Champloo took contemporary hip hop culture and injected it into a common story of ronin going on an adventure and it blossomed into what we saw. Cowboy Bebop blended Film Noire and literal Clint Eastwood style cowboy stories with Sci-Fi spacefaring adventures and we got what we got. What the fuck does Battleborn combine beyond random trashy pop culture with other random trashy pop culture?
>"TARANTINO-ESQUE" That literally means nothing without the context of a Tarantino world. I could say "GUY RITCHIE-EQSUE" characters which means nothing more than bumbling thieves, but they aren't memorable or likable without the direction of the story.
Why are these devs such retards
Xavier Adams
The thing hipsters dont get about the 90s is that people had genuine fun and liked the shit they liked unironically.
Space Jam was fun. Nobody tried to erect it up on some artistic pedastle. Its was low brow fun. Hipsters are to far up their asses to have childish fun, and the ones that do, still have a facade of pretentious, that you get the soi Nintendo hipster fags.
They're trying real hard to hold onto some imaginary rank when they have "fun".
Dylan Ramirez
The music with the low framerate makes it seem like the game is fucking lagging. How do you fuck it up this bad? The music is unfitting as fuck as well, and the gameplay looks like fucking boring shit. To be "Art" you have to have some form of competency in your fucking medium of choice. Making a movie with an amazing score but zero substance movie wise doesn't make it a good movie. Making a game with a supposedly good story and absolutely SHIT fucking gameplay makes it a bad game.
Jacob Harris
It's one thing to get annoyed at people dumping on his game for the original, cryptic trailer but it's no one's fault but his own to do absolutely nothing about the slow, tedious combat that basically no one had anything positive to say about.
>11 minute damage sponge boss >not one party member levels up afterwards fucking retarded gamers don't know what art is
William Long
>framerate >voiceacting >music
jesus it's awful
Cameron Hall
>To be "Art" you have to have some form of competency in your fucking medium of choice Nice gatekeeping incel
Austin Barnes
>elisa lam
Say what now? What does that have to do with it?
Jacob Clark
From some of the marketing for battleborn, their aim was to be a Saturday morning cartoon from the 80s.
I didnt know about the cowboy bebop/champion. Did they state that? If so, they clearly lacked a clear goal.
Noah Watson
look just don't save yourself the time and find literally anything else to experience. Baba is You outdoes YIIK in every fucking way without trying and being a different genre of game. Baba is You is a more post modern RPG than YIIK is. Although it doesn't take much to do that. The fan games based on Lisa do a better job at it and some are even almost up to snuff with Lisa the suffering. I would even argue some are better than Lisa the Joyful
Jayden Bailey
>I haven't played it Stopped reading there there
Angel Walker
I like how Dick Masterson didn't even need to call him out on his bullshit. He just let him talk and the self-absorbed fuck dug his own grave.
Stunningly lacking in self-awareness right to the end.
Joseph Morgan
He's right you know. It was obviously some kind of post-modernist satire, even if it's not very good at being satire.
>videogames are art Please fuck off with this shit. This trash idea is exactly why video games are fucking awful these days, too many retarded "artists" more interested in their agenda than in making good games.
I don't see the issue, him being a hipster dipshit on an ego trip is the exact reason his game is crap.
Zachary Russell
well I guess that makes more sense
Easton Green
Something being dubbed "Tarantino-esque" by its creator is probably one of the biggest red flags you can imagine. They're just going to try to make all their characters "badass" mercenaries and/or assassins that say shitty hipster lines and/or pop-culture references/observations. Look at the shitty movie "The Item" as that is one of the first films I can think of that dubbed itself that. And the director made himself the main character.
I just couldn't take the game seriously when I discovered that the creator made himself the main character. Lost all interest, sorry.
James Johnson
Have you? Has anyone in this thread? No, no you fucking haven't so shut the hell up you product of incest.
Adam Fisher
Literally every goddamn sound was jarring. How do you fuck up something as simple as level ups?
Evan Wright
Artists do self portraits all the time. Grow up.
Kevin Hill
Just sounds like another hack that tries to be quirky and alternative to hide his lack of talent, then deflects all criticism towards a strawman that makes him seem superior.
Just ignore him. He'll just wither away in obscurity.
Thomas Clark
Did that fucking clown see Fable 3 and was like "Yeah, I can make that worse"?
sure, but I don't have to like playing as a cunt self-insert
David Thomas
that's true but it isn't usually this on the nose
Kevin Murphy
>It still confuses me why the audience who would normally buy into this shit was so hyper-critical of it.
They were hyper-critical of it because it was shit. In every aspect, it was shit. The story was shit. The graphics were shit. The sound was shit. The combat was shit.
This shitbrain put out a shit game that was so shit, even the people who usually eat shit were able to recognize that it was, in fact, shit.
Kevin Ortiz
It's nobody's fault but your own that your vision for this game was beyond your depth, Alex.
Nobody thinks you're intelligent for knowing who Salvador Dali is.
Ian Lewis
You have no "high ground" to stand on to complain about others opinions that they formed from watching what is out there on this game, seeing as how you did so yourself. Complaining that people don't like this game when they haven't played it when you haven't played it doesn't mean anything, it's a waste of thought, there's no argument there.
what the fuck is with these retarded minigames just to damage it why is the music so garbage what the FUCK is so special about a golden alpaca what is the joke here
>make red flag central: the game >every piece of advertising makes it out to be appealing to the now dead hipster market >game is titled Y II K: A Post Modern RPG >every piece of post release media points out the various flaws in regards to the music and the fuck ass framerate, as well as inconsistent visual themes >most people watching gameplay will say it looks like a day 1 unity project, with no regards to how the game's camera looks, with attacks LITERALLY pulling you out of the fucking game to play another game akin to Bully arcade cabinents >feels like something that should be put on gamejolt for free, or the fucking ouya >on top of the okay-but-not-in-this-context music >AND THEN >creator comes out to be a massive faggot >dickrides authors and demonizes their works >insults the audience playing the game >will be eternally seething >misses the point of MAKING A FUCKING VIDEO GAME You couldn't fucking pay me to play this piece of shit.
It's not the sales of the current game that it affects, but the next game. Look at Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 - Diablo 3 broke the record for PC sales. Where's Diablo 4? (rhetorical question)
You can't be ironically mad. You can't fake rage at the level of butthurt he's at.
Anthony Cox
I have exactly the same ground as you all do, which is why it's stupid to call me out for admitting it when it applies to the whole thread. This is all based on secondhand experience through youtube videos, podcasts, images, and anecdotes, so if that upsets you, might as well criticize the whole thread or, better yet, not enter it at all. I wasn't even complaining about someone's opinion - just stating some apparent truths and posing a question. I suppose you think it's wrong of me to state he's justified in being upset at the public reaction to his game since I didn't play it, but the reception was so ridiculously harsh that you'd feel this way too if you were there when it happened. I don't think he's entirely in the clear but it's like the internet sought to lynch him just because his game was a bit pretentious.
Brody Russell
>a bit pretentious Yeah, "a bit" He's comparing his shit to fucking Ayn Rand and Fight Club you faggot.
Hudson Miller
There are loads of characters who are not likeable. And no, they aren't asperger types. It's all about how you present a character, and give them traits that make the audience(or player) want to root for them. And that's fucking hilarious this fucking faggot thinks he's anywhere close to Chuck Palahniuk
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE FRAMERATE WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH ALL THOSE ANGLES AND CAMERA VIEWS SWITCHING AROUND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH ALL THOSE MINIGAMES WHAT WHAT THE FUCK I THINK I'M HAVING A SEIZURE OR SOMETHING WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS PIECE OF SHIT
No, you fucking don't. I actually played the game, and it was terrible. You did not play the game, so anything you say on the matter has zero weight.
The lynching was justified. Go fuck yourself.
James Hernandez
>I have exactly the same ground as you all do, which is why it's stupid to call me out for admitting it when it applies to the whole thread. I'm not saying that your opinion is invalid, just that calling my opinion invalid is invalid. Or, in laymen's terms: "That's just like, your opinion, man."
Jeez i wish MC was actually unlikeable on porpouse, it could have been easily bullied by anyone for being a pretentious douche instead of the mary sue he actually is.
Jackson Baker
I can’t find the link but I swear to god I saw that statement on one of the interviews they did. They name dropped a bunch of anime names but it was that comment about how their game’s mashed up themes are suppose to be like how Samurai Champloo worked was the one that got my attention.
Kevin Cook
Funny sounding word, similar to animals that exist like the llama and goat, but a little bit unknown and underutilized. Also has a bit of a funny appearance.
Sauce: Personal case study of someone with autism I hung out with for two years. Guy was obsessed with such animals, like Corgis, Palace Cats, Alpacas, and putting hats on them.
Luke Nguyen
You can absolutely have an unlikable protagonist, but you have to make the story work with that in mind. I was sympathetic to the guy because he worked on the game for a long time only for it to be a critical and commercial flop, but saying that the audience just "doesn't get it"? YIIkes.
Kayden Walker
>chuck palahniuk or haruki murakami novel Literally pleb tier, and he's trying to be all pretentious about his basic bitch taste.
>similar to animals that exist alpacas are real, bro
Nicholas Hill
>decades of games successfully follow a formula of relateable main characters >do the opposite with the intent of being counter-culture >get mad when people hate it
Don't take huge risks without being prepared for negative reactions. He literally did the opposite of what people liked and loses his shit because they didn't like it.
The key difference between movies/novels and games is that you have to control the character who you - in this case - hate. And for a much longer amount of time than most other mediums.
Josiah Ross
This. It's been discussed to death, OP. Move on.
Jaxson Rivera
yeah we need more smash bros spam threads and persona waifu threads
Carson Diaz
Sorry, I misspoke. When I say "exists", I mean that they are more ingrained in public consciousness and perception.
Isaac Wood
post modernism in almost all forms is irredeemable garbage
No More Heroes did unlikable scumbag learns a lesson better than this idiot
Henry Ward
This guy seems to have no idea what a video game even is. Your story is there to support the gameplay, not the other way around. You can't make the character the player controls an asshole that makes decisions the player disagrees with, it disconnects the player from the events that are transpiring. LA Noire had the same problem. They rated you on your ability to solve cases, but then had the protagonist make decisions in cutscenes that got him demoted in his job, which players perceive as being punished for something they didn't choose to do.
David Butler
This. Well said user. >M-Muh DFW... Fuck off.
Elijah Gray
>He was from an Ann Rynd novel >Oh, that's funny, cause she was like extreme...extreme right >Uh, yeah, she was an extreme capitalist >Yeah, to the right... I'm honestly more mad about this cuck host than I am about this nobody blaming the audience.
Brody Hall
it would have fared MUCH better if it was just presented as a walking sim/visual novel with just boss fights. even then it wouldn't have been a strong contender for any appeal.
Samuel Smith
Are there any games that weren't well received when released but gained recognition after the death of the dev a la Van Gogh?
Blake Rivera
Only here could you find someone using a Michael Saint Wood novel as a cultural touchstone. Thank you user.
Blake Cook
Earthbound.
Nathaniel Jones
>i was trying to make the video game version of a Chuck Palahniuk novel
HOW DOES THIS WORK. HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE AT ALL
Aiden Gonzalez
You can write an evil/bad/creepy character.... but they HAVE to be likable, or we literally can not get invested in them (like hanibal, totally detestable, but he is likable/interesting).
An annoying manchild that "grows" is not interesting because from the getgo you hate his guys and want him to fail/dont care to continue playing to see what happens to this chuckle fuck.
Jaxson Gonzalez
Travis was likeable from the start, likeable doesn't mean he's a good guy
Gabriel Baker
you have to wonder if the games biggest flaw is the tedious combat when no one can even focus on that, over all the other glaring issues.
Mason Garcia
What fucking author/book in particular is he even talking about with a character like that?
Luis Clark
Itoi is very much still alive, and Mother 2 was incredibly well received in Japan. It just wasn't received well in US because of a permeated culture to bash anything colorful that wasn't the military.
Gabriel Hill
breaking even after how long this shit hole was in development for isn't really a fucking victory
Elijah Cook
I cant fin any sale figures, got a link?
Carter Price
>Not pretentious >compares himself to Ayn Rand, Sir Conan Doyle and Haruki Murakami
He's mad that his game was poorly-received. And not just because of the story. It was a mess.
Juan Sanchez
but colorful military was okay?
Brody Wright
>based Dick Show It was before it became yet another right wing boomer circlejerk.
Lincoln Williams
if the yiiks guy read stuff like yurope he wouldn't be such a pretencious twat
If I see this fucking shit posted one more time...
Wyatt Flores
He just wrote himself in as the protag, got salty when everyone hated his self instert, and is now trying to say it was all just ART. In other words, his self insert was very accurate, and people were right to hate both the charcter and the man.
Brandon Scott
>attempts to make art >makes shit instead >rather than improve his technique, he blames gamers for his own failings
its not bad, but its very unfitting for a bunch of hipsters fighting epic meme references toby clearly phoned this one in
Brayden Scott
>write self insert >everyone hates it >I-I was just being artistic. It was an unlikable protag artistic choice. It wasn't an accurate representation of me >continue acting exactly like the character everyone hates
Parker Morris
>tried to do something a little differant >literally ripped off earthbound jesus christ this is some serious oversoy
So he wanted to make a realistically unlikable protagonist. He succeeds and no one likes the character. And now he’s mad at people for not liking said character?
You're missing the part where he was actually a complete self insert.
Elijah Brown
The worst part is that the character BARELY grows. I’ve seen apologists popping up in these threads saying that the character does have a growth. Pirated it, played it, and the nigger barely went from being a snarky ass to thinking about being slightly less of an ass. Overall still unlikable.
Wyatt Morris
Why are there so many people on this board who think video games are art? Is football art because somebody designed a ball? Oh look, somebody created these chess pieces so now chess is art.
Ya'll niggas fucking retarded.
Nathaniel Perez
He's mad because he put himself in a video game, nobody likes him and now he's back pedalling like a faggot to try and save face.
Robert Roberts
>Not thinking that the entirety of chess isn't a work of art. Not any one element, the whole thing
Andrew Barnes
>a combination of art, music, software development and game design isn't art
Grayson Nelson
ayn rand was a shit writer and a worse philosopher letting jews read and write was a mistake
Luis Parker
What the fuck are you on?
Grayson Ramirez
>Yeah nah people absolutely have to identify as the playable character.
Not "identify". Relate. People have to Relate with the playable character. There's a difference.
But that's not this game's problem. Not even a little bit. It's ONE of the problems, sure, but it's just a bad game. It really is. On literally every possible level. In every way a game can be bad without being an in-joke, or incompetently made.
Nathaniel Scott
>haha us logical people look at these bafoons! Dick is cringe
John Rivera
I don't think it's >Zoomer entitlement
He's just an asshole. And would've been an asshole regardless of when he was born.
Oliver Parker
So football, chess and anything that has any artistry/craftsmanship such as a fence is art? Is prostitution art because the woman wears designer clothing prior to performing the sexual acts?
If everything is art then nothing is art.
Christian Peterson
I don't know how they can even believe that the framerate and music is good. I was starting to get a headache 2 minutes in.
Evan Barnes
video games are literally visual arts + music you mong
Art is what you can get aways with. t. Andy Warhol
Angel Baker
yeah.
Lincoln Nelson
>Is prostitution art because the woman wears designer clothing prior to performing the sexual acts? No, the art is in the hunt for Johns and the acts performed. They are literally performers. Performance art.
Joseph Cooper
Just because a handful of elements is in the art category that doesn’t make the final product art. If I take the painting of Mona Lisa and wipe my ass with it while one of Mozart’s pieces is playing in the background, does it make the entire scene art? Slightly off topic. Like real art just because it falls into that category, it doesn’t automatically makes it good.
Connor Wright
Art is aesthetic communication.
t. the collective unconscious.
Tyler Morgan
fisting is 300 bucks
Brody Sanders
It doesn't have to be good to be art. You literally answered your own question in your non-sequitur.
Levi Taylor
>Like real art just because it falls into that category, it doesn’t automatically makes it good. Just because it's not good doesn't mean it's not art. There's such a thing as shitty art. Your perfomance piece would be a form of performance art. Not a very good piece of art, but art nonetheless.
Adam Baker
And an art form.
Nolan Johnson
I gotta ask, which game invented the idea of mini games as attacks? The earliest I can remember was MARIO RPG series and everything after that can’t seem to do it right. Undertale is an exception since it just sticks with the mild bullet hell gimmick and called it a day.
Benjamin Carter
Exactly, so a fence can be art because it can communicate through it's aesthetics as well.
Daniel Bailey
And do you think any of the praise or moans of joy as she fists you are genuine? Or the insults or degradation, I'm sure those would be rooted in truth, but she/he doesn't give a fuck
Elijah Price
Im not sure its intentional, Not played it but i think the recording fucked up Not excusing the other bullshit though
Owen Gomez
This a million times. They are constantly engaged in a pathetic clambering up their imaginary hipster social ladder, so laser focused on it that they forget it doesn't exist for anyone else. They're constantly trying to perform for an invisible panel of hipster judges deciding what's cool and what isn't, and they're so absolutely enslaved to this zeitgeist of contrarianism and "counterculture", that not only do they forget what they actually, unironically liked to begin with, but they become a compliant rat with the competitive capitalist mindset they spend their entire lives whining about. In attempting to be original, they become conformist, and lose all originality. In seeking more soulful art, they gatekeep all uniqueness and hollow out their own souls, just to make themselves more like the other hollow people. Hipsterism is a cancer on art. It acts as if it's artistic, but really it just grows out of control wherever it's allowed to fester and strangles the life out of anything not like itself. It is the antithesis of everything it is supposed to stand for. The hipster is hypocrisy given human form. And YIIK just happened to be the terrible, derivative, annoying waste of time journalists all needed to be able to wake up and see that.
Jacob Diaz
Yes. Glad we've come to an understanding.
Asher Green
Your definition of "communication" is looser than your mom after your egghead went through her.
I really like that idea and think that record spinning seems fine but this gameplay video is horrid
Ryan Cruz
No one reads books after high school.
Alexander Mitchell
He really is. Like, say what you want about fish, people seemed to like Fez.
This guy has all of his arrogance but doesn't' even have a decent game to back anything up.
Kayden Ward
Here's the final boss sequence. End Game Spoilers: You were the bad guy? And the Heroine? youtu.be/39SfWR1t8dM?t=4022
Jacob Moore
>Absolutely brainlet post >"Y'all" Name a more iconic duo
Ryder Gomez
No need to. You know shits done when even Kotaku thinks your game is too söy.
Isaac Sanchez
This reminds me of "The Desolate Hope", only 100% less competent and original.
Jordan Cox
Art.
Isaac James
Fags will never understand that some things can be art and some things can't be art. This game still fucking sucks though >muh self insert >Gamers is entitled! Uh huh
Ayden Davis
A fence can have elaborate communication if it's engraved for example. Simple designs can convey comfyness, conformity or sterility. That is communication.
Jaxson Watson
You're merely using the fence as a medium for the actual communication, which is design and lettering.
Anthony Butler
Now read the other half of the post. Or did you interpret "simple designs" as arial text reading "comfy"?
Jaxon Allen
true actually most indie devs are just autists so they sperg out and give the other ones a bad rep
James Nguyen
He is right about one thing, video games are not art
Isaac Johnson
>palace cat Do you mean Pallas cats?
Brayden Bennett
What part of it contradicts the statement? Or do you mean that rather than the "engravings" being simple designs, you meant the actual, physical fence? In which case, that doesn't really communicate anything, let alone what "comfy" means. Something being aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean it's communicating something to someone.
Robert Perez
Lets get this out of the way. By the basic definition almost every is art. And this game is also art because of what it’s composed of. But it’s just shitty art. No different than someone putting menstrual blood in a jar and calling it art. Is it art? Yes. But is it good in any way what so ever? No.
Luke Roberts
Man, this seems like it couldve been kinda good if the people making this werent so retarded
Logan Morales
Oh, is that the spelling of it? I never actually looked the damn thing up cause he had ample pictures to present.
Joseph Sullivan
Oh, so you're a retard.
Jayden Kelly
>comparing this to the writing to Arthur Conan Doyle & Murakami If he intended for players to treat this as serious art then he's delusional, the more realistic explanation is he created a mediocre niche game that was received poorly commercially due to weak market appeal and failed to grasp anyone's interest since it's substandard in every regard.
He's only shooting himself in the foot by not listening to criticism and at this rate he is never going to improve as an "Artist". If he wants to be taken seriously he's got to actually work for it, you can't pump out a game that would have been passable 15+ years ago and just expect everyone to shower him with praise. It's a shame because he has the knowledge to potentially create something great but his ego is so over inflated it's unlikely that'll happen.
Easton Foster
Why did this shit take 6 trillion years to come out?
Dylan Gray
So you ran out of arguments, but still want to insist you're right?
Liam Campbell
The guy is trying to mix up two things to make people argue. By literal definition almost everything can be art. But figurative-wise most things can’t even come close to the quality of being considered “art”. This is definitely not one of those things.
Jaxon Perez
No. You can convey meaning through non-literal statements. A drawing with a fireplace and a hot cup of coco in it isn't literally saying the word "comfy" but it conveys the same meaning.
Elijah Cruz
OH NO NO NONO
Carson Taylor
Read about design. Certain shapes invoke different emotions. This is basic college stuff
Ayden Reyes
he's mad nobody likes him either because his dumbass forgot he self inserted himself in the game
Carter Lopez
A good RPG needs good music. And this game did NOT have good music. At all. Even the VAs sound badly mixed.
It's especially egregious considering the fact that some of the characters are musicians.
Isaac Hughes
OP, he's addressing criticism about the character specifically. Not criticism toward the whole game. Even in the end of your clip, he acknowledges that his game has problems, and that it's not above criticism. But the point of his little rant there, was about criticism people lobbed at the protagonist.
How did you listen to all that, and somehow take away that he was defending his game in its entirety?
>A drawing with a fireplace and a hot cup of coco in it isn't literally saying the word "comfy" but it conveys the same meaning. Not it doesn't. That's inferred from the viewer extrapolating what those items mean to themselves from the set of picture. The drawing conveys nothing more than a fireplace and a mug full of brown, steamy liquid with maybe a marshmallow in it to indicate it's supposed to be cocoa.
Shapes can, but what user was doing here wasn't being communicated with. He was inferring the meaning of the fence through it's utilitarian function, then applying meaning to it through deductive reasoning of what it could mean based on his own cultural biases.
Connor Jones
>How did you listen to all that That's all you had to ask user. Ain't no one sitting through that many levels of pretentious bullshit.
Henry Richardson
Here's a game for you anons: You have to watch the entirety of this scene as the creator intended as if you were playing the game. No x'ing out, no minimizing, you have to sit and watch the whole thing. youtube.com/watch?v=2UIcy86Pbmg
>Not it doesn't. That's inferred from the viewer extrapolating what those items mean to themselves from the set of picture. Yes, hi, welcome to the conversation. It's called art.
David Campbell
OP here but I did play it pirated it and fucked with it to a point I could find myself actually playing it. I got to like right after yuzu before I couldn't bring myself to play anymore it just refused to redeem itself.
it sure as fuck had nothing to do with identifying with a wallowing failure player character.
mostly it was the gamers first psych class in college level writing in the dialogue. spent time I budgeted to playing this nonsense to just read. re read beowulf, read roadside picnic, the southern reach trilogys first book annihilation I think?, and listened to based on a true story by Norm Macdonald audio book while playing something that actually provided engaging and entertaining play.
Matthew Foster
because he's comparing his piece of shit game to some of the mostly highly regarded pieces of literature.
Yeah, if you take it literally, which isn't the purpose of art. If you took games literally you would interpret them as a bunch of machine code and pixels you psued.
It's a 2 minute clip. You can't listen to 2 minutes, before giving an opinion? Just about everyone in this thread, is making the same mistake OP did. You guys just scan until you see/hear words that trigger you, and then post your rebuttals against strawman argument.s
Chase King
he probably heard people bitching about the protagonist and also about his weaksauce narrative skills, and decided that his shit was 2deep for his audience instead of realizing that his writing fucking sucks.
Nathan Powell
You get what I mean though. He's supposed to be a scumbag of sorts. His actions aren't praised, he realizes everything he's doing has consequences by the end.
Nathan Bennett
>haha nothing communicates it's just stuff! Bravo, so what is art then? Paintings in a museum can't be art by this definition.
Dominic Long
Is it supposed to be laggy, or did that uploader just run the game on a toaster?
Camden Phillips
>Alex: “explain what the hell is going on vella” >Vella: explains at length >Alex: “VELLA EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON” kek
>because he's comparing his piece of shit game to some of the mostly highly regarded pieces of literature. Despite his ego, he's only addressing the matter in regards to the protagonist. He states that one character from one notable book, is in relation to one character from his game. He's not comparing entire works, and claiming his is on the same level.
Landon Myers
I smile knowing that these people will soon die of either AIDS or colon cancer.
Tyler Butler
If you have to infer the meaning yourself, then it's bad communication, therefore it becomes bad art, or not art at all. Welcome back to my initial statement. I'm glad you could finally understand my failed art of trying to communicate to a monkey.
>which isn't the purpose of art. If you took games literally you would interpret them as a bunch of machine code and pixels you psued. The problem with that reasoning is "the Buddha stared at the wall for 3 days and became enlightened". I could apply meaning to most anything, and it would become art? I'm sure there are wankers that would love that, but most people in general wouldn't really recognize that as anything except pretentiousness. It's the same line of reasoning when one says you cannot use self-imposed challenges on a game to proclaim it's good. Anyone could do that to any game, so it's not a good metric of any means to measure something.
>so what is art then? I just told you. It's communication in an aesthetically pleasing way. The art in museums is generally the artist trying to communicate their emotions or how they perceive the world around them in a visual medium. A fence is just a fence you use to keep raccoons out. If it's aesthetically pleasing, that's great and cute and all, but it's still a fence.
Justin Torres
>The mona lisa isn't art it's just paint on a canvas. The viewer seeing a woman is just their own extrapolation of what they want to see.
Jace Rivera
Every other video I see the game runs smooth. Might be a mod, though.
Jonathan Davis
That is not what is stated or even implied in the clip. You just concocted that from thin air.
Camden Cox
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Camden Cook
That's what it was from the beginning. Coincidentally, it's always been good.
cringe so intense it becomes literally physically painful, I lost
terrible dialogue mediocre-at-best delivery, ResiEvil 1 had better voices by miles weird pauses between everything for no discernable reason nothing happens visually except spirtes going in and out of frame
humanity and Earth must be destroyed so such a crime against everything will never surface again
Go work on your writing and your game design Andrew.
Josiah Lee
problem solvers and this "game" have the same problem no one tell the dev team the final product was shit or stop in the right moment they just think IF THE CAN MAKE VIDEOGAMES/ANIMATIONS I CAN DO IT IF YOU DISAGREE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ART
stupidity give born to this """products"""
Justin Howard
I couldn't get 20 seconds into it.
But he's saying that people only want that and discrediting those books for that reason. He's talking down upon some of the greatest works of literature to prop his shit up.
Again, you can criticize the art and call it bad, but you can't deny its title of art. A 2 year old crayon drawing is just as much as art as the mona lisa, and vice versa. There's no metric, art isn't some holier than thou title. Everything can be considered art if you take it above face value.
K? Pull your head out of your ass for a moment and write what you mean instead of trying to take backhanded shots at people?
Nicholas Lewis
Games are art, the problem with this concept is the faggots that take this and say that games must be art while not understanding how to actually capitalize on the things that make video games unique from other mediums.
Jacob Adams
I made it about 2 and a half minutes. It's not as bad as you make it sound. I only bailed out, because I have no context for the story. But I was slightly intrigued.
Angel Ortiz
Don't forget that it was more expensive than most other JRPGs at the time cause it shipped with that walkthrough manual.
Jordan Sanchez
that hurt to watch but i watched all of it where's my fucking prize
>Again, you can criticize the art and call it bad, but you can't deny its title of art. A 2 year old crayon drawing is just as much as art as the mona lisa, and vice versa. Well, 1. I absolutely can, because a 2 year-old draws like shit, and the Mona Lisa is conveying an emotion of fondness and a feeling of heartbreak, which are complex emotions and an attempt at actual, meaningful communication and 2. >Everything can be considered art if you take it above face value. Is literally what I was saying with this line here: >the Buddha stared at the wall for 3 days and became enlightened" Trying to distinguish what is and isn't art when you take that attitude is just absolutely retarded. It's just pissing on people who are actually trying to perform art.
Wyatt Gonzalez
>But he's saying that people only want that and discrediting those books for that reason. No he's not. He said that unlikeable protagonists actually works in books. He says people accept it in every other medium except video games.
Xavier Harris
>Iwata gravestone Tell me they didn't fucking put that in YIIK holy shit
He should have made it clear he was BASED, because the game looked like a sóygame.
Leo Phillips
Right, I forgot you were the "literal only" autist. I am pointing out that art forms use tools like analogy or symbolism to convey something that isn't there. "Her voice was music to my ears" doesn't literally mean she was singing. Doves in old paintings usually have a religious context. The irony of you getting so hooked up on fences is that the "white picket fence" is such a hugely predominant symbol in American art and literature.
Matthew Gutierrez
I don't know why everyone is talking about the main character so much. I'd gladly handle a numale looking asshole if the GAMEPLAY was tolerable. But no, as this hipster demonstrated, he didn't care about the gameplay. He didn't care that the stupid story constantly got in the way, and even if it didn't, you were left with boring trash that missed the entire point of Earthbound's combat and instead tried to make every single attack into a failed Warioware microgame.
But I think that's been stated enough times, so I'm not revealing anything new. What I don't know, however, is how these people can continue shoveling out garbage and not realizing their mistakes.
>faggot tries to make an artsy fartsy game >waaaaah games can't be art go away >faggot says he was wrong and video games can't be art >waaaaah you just did it wrong games CAN be art like my based titty anime game lol
Juan Foster
why try to pander to SJWs using a genre they actively don't like? they want walking sims and baby mobile games where you tap or swipe up and down, not RPGs
Angel Lopez
I enjoy falling asleep to his creepypasta vids. No homo.
What is the objective difference from a painted wall and a mural?
Just because it's different doesn't make it deep or good.
Art movies are fucking boring, artsy fartsy books are fucking books, splatterpaint art-fag art is fucking boring. ART GAMES ARE FUCKING BORING.
Benjamin Hill
>A fence is just a fence you use to keep raccoons out. If it's aesthetically pleasing, that's great and cute and all, but it's still a fence. You're close minded and don't understand art culturally. This is a pot "just" to put water in.
>Right, I forgot you were the "literal only" autist No, I just wanted to make you back down from your haughty position so I could get you to say something I could attack. I'm leaving the thread after this post, and you've been a good sport, so I taught you an argumentative technique. Appreciate me. >I am pointing out that art forms use tools like analogy or symbolism to convey something that isn't there.[...] I mean, you're right here, especially in terms of writing, but you're mixing up the way symbols are used. Symbols are used to communicate through other artful mediums, but the symbols in real life often don't carry the same weight. There is a metaphor used about the white picket fence, true, but that's used to describe what people have, rather than the actual, physical fence being used for anything other than raccoon and hun deterrent.
>This is a pot "just" to put water in. Correct. The art is ON the pot, which are the drawings. Without the drawings, the pot ceases to be art.
Someone explain to me why a gravestone is tasteless, according to him Nintendo liked it. You guys never played old RPGs that had graves like that as tributes/shoutouts?
Nicholas Price
>He says people accept it in every other medium except video games People do accept it in video games, when it's done right. He's using the anecdote of his terribly written game, with the pretense that it wasn't terribly written, to prove people hate unlikable porotags in video games.
Wyatt Hughes
What about the design of the pot? The actual shape of it?
Thomas Flores
>Waaaah I treated video games like art and people are meeeean! Sounds awfully familiar.
Julian Russell
As shitty as the writing is, props to the guy for not doing an 16bit platformer and for having actual drawn art assets.
Holding enter makes the game go at double or triple speed in combat, most random encounters in the current version of the game take a minute or two and there’s a limited amount per area in the double digits.
He's not blaming the medium. He's blaming the consumers of the medium.
Noah Peterson
except the art assets look terrible and unappealing.
Jaxson Peterson
At that point what can you do? If he wanted to write a deep and insightful story then why didn't he write a book?
Henry Wilson
>the Mona Lisa is conveying an emotion of fondness and a feeling of heartbreak The Mona Lisa is only as popular as it is because of it's theft. At face value it's just as much of portrait as the child's drawing. What you take from that is up to you and (Yes) your cultural context.
>when it's done right And what does that entail exactly? I actually agree with his point. Everyone says they're ok with unlikeable characters. But what they really like is agreeable flaws, of otherwise likeable characters.
Carson Hughes
How can you cite Earthbound as your inspiration when you fuck that up so hard? Earthbound popularized being able to quickly blow through enemies you've outleveled. It got the pacing of combat down to a near perfection.
Landon Jackson
He literally says why at the start of the clip. Didn't you listen to it?
Jace Sullivan
>Mona Lisa is conveying an emotion of fondness and a feeling of heartbreak No, it's a painted woman. Anything you see beyond that is your own inferred meaning. I hear that makes it not art or something.
Benjamin Reed
I'm not saying the game is amazing or anything but it's really obvious the game is being dogpiled with everybody having absolutely no knowledge of the game at all. If you guys knew anything about how the game actually is you would be meming about the cutscene where a 50 year old boomer rambles for 10-15 minutes about how the tea he's made for the party was made using a thought to be extinct tea leaf that also cured his dying friend in India.
No, the vast majority have dropped the game very early into it due to all of the flaws of the game. It's not the players fault that the game is an indefensible slog.
Tyler Garcia
I've been trying to put this into words for the past 2 or 3 times I've seen this thread thank you. The best example people seem to be able to think of for an unlikable video game character is a kid that's kind of angsty and was willing to kill somebody to stay alive.
Isaiah Miller
Not that autist, but what's the story of the toilet?
James Perry
>constant immersion breaking pauses in between dialogue >abysmal lip sync animations
Why does this feel so much longer than it actually is?
Jordan Watson
>you go to a physical place to level up that's fine
>you level up one level at a time that's not fine
Evan Jackson
How is it projection, when he doesn't agree with what he claims others are doing?
Because the clip is the basis for the topic of the thread.
Logan Fisher
Then people need to stop critiquing Alex's lack of character development and just focus on the unbearably broken combat systems rather than making shit up about how Alex gets no development.
Carson Richardson
>I don't understand! >Can you please explain what's going on! >I dOnT uNdErStAnD >Can you explain what the hElL iS gOiNg on!
Aaron Harris
I can't remember an older iteration of this to be honest, but it stands out to me because not only is it chronologically out of place, but it's also bizarre being in some random cemetery in a plain location that looks like an Ed 'n Eddy backdrop. There's no subtlety, either. It's hard to pinpoint why it looks so out of place but it certainly feels this way.
Grayson Bell
The OP image is the topic of the thread.
Jordan Bennett
This is just a human pole people meet around. The carvings are just decorations
I'm glad this game is a thing. Bad examples can be just as important as good examples, and deconstructing YIIK has honestly been really fascinating
I almost want to write an essay about how the game fails in what it does and compare and contrast it with a game that succeeds in what it does
Justin Harris
No, he said his mistake was that he made a video game, not that he should've written a book. He clearly is getting his inspiration from literature. He only made a game because he liked earthbound and it's easier to get your piece of shit game published than it is to get an average book published. He's blaming the medium due to the consumers, when in reality consumers want more "art" games. Stuff like Metal Gear Solid or, hell, Red Dead Redemption actually have somewhat competent writing, gameplay, music, and graphics, and are considered "art." He just made a shit art game, and then blamed the fucking medium his incompetence to do anything that making a good game requires. A movie isn't a good movie solely based on it's music, a book isn't only based on the quality of it's typesetting, and music isn't solely based on the album cover. While they add to the experience, they aren't the main attraction which this game failed at. People were put off by the awful graphical style, gameplay, music on top of the shit awful characters.
Parker White
because the game specifically takes place during 1999, hence why its called WHY-TWO-KAY
John Jenkins
And Link isn't canon to Final Fantasy but his grave is there. It's just a reference to that kind of thing.
Joseph Morales
Can't speak for his game, but he's not completely wrong. Just look how the media and fans act. How comfortable they are pressuring devs to change their vision; how acceptable it is. Business practices in general and so on. The recent Sekiro bullshit was a good example of all of this wrapped up in a neat little present.
It gets harder and harder to look at this medium as art as time goes on. It's about as close to art as your average garbage ass summer action film. It's entertainment and should rarely be treated as more.
Blake Scott
Or even when a character is truly detestable, he's typically flamboyant and clownish in some manner. People find his irreverence/humor/eccentricity likeable. Basically, if you jiggle enough proverbial keys, then they'll be too happy to care about all the bad things the character is doing.
Kayden Hall
It's hilarious how obvious it is that that black chick is the creator's waifu. Not to sound like an SJW but she's weirdly fetishized. Everyone else in the party dresses like an average person on the street but she's wearing something a pin-up artist would've come up with
Ethan Myers
It was the typical "character starts off unlikable, but then becomes likable at the end" trope. The problem is that only through his eyes that the MC became "likable" Everyone else who had the displeasure of reviewing the game saw that he stayed unlikable throughout the whole thing.
I'm just gonna go out there and say I just didn't like how the game looked.
Juan Sanchez
What has leftist subversion to do with this? Games are art and that doesn't mean that they have to bow to any higher standards. The sad reality is that western games cost so much money that they have to bow to the Zeitgeist to sell. It makes games a lot less varied.
Sebastian Parker
and that's what it should stay as. These pretentious devs just make unfun games.
Lincoln Stewart
You asked "If he wanted to write a deep and insightful story then why didn't he write a book?" And the answer to that, is that he thought video games were art.
>He's blaming the medium due to the consumers He's blaming the consumers for infantilizing the medium. Not the medium itself. If the consumers treated the medium with more regard, then perhaps more games could get away with unlikeable characters. Again, it's not about the game as a whole, but he's talking about how his character was received. So just naming stuff like Metal Gear and Red Dead, doesn't help the conversation. Why don't you reference a specific character that is unlikeable, but also well received. And point out what he did wrong?
You say the writing is bad, well prove it by showing an unlikeable character with good writing.
And I reiterate, the clip is only in regards to how his character was received. I really want to stress this point, because you keep pushing the notion that he's defending his entire game and all it's parts.
Henry Miller
The character does become more likable, I'm pretty sure the reviewers were just throwing a fit because the game is a criticism of douchey liberal arts leftist types.
He's probably on suicide watch for being roped into this drama.
Eli Rivera
It's honestly amazing just how much of a dumpster fire the game is. It fails spectacularly on every single level while still having enough work and effort into it to be a working game.
Joshua Lee
Micah from RDR2. I fucking hated him and new he was a fucking snake from the beginning, but I thought he was well written and proved ample material to write a story around. But the unlikable characters in YIIK were, again, on top of shit graphics with bad music and boring gameplay. There's nothing redeemable about this game. Its like the sponsorship scene in Wayne's World. Just acknowledging the fact that a character is meant to be an "unlikable piece of shit" doesn't make me like him any more.
Jack Rodriguez
the only Murakami novel I've ever read was 1Q94
please tell me its his worst one
Jack Hill
I've only read South of the Border West of the Sun and it didn't leave a good enough impression on me to read his other works.
Joseph Lee
But his goal isn't to make you like the character at any point in the game. He wants to show the process of how an asshole grows up, he's not going to lose all his asshole characteristics; do you think in the real world all adults aren't assholes?
Chase Martin
I'm not familiar with RDR2. But I'm going to make a guess here. I bet he's a real eccentric character. Probably swears a lot, and is super irreverent. He's almost so bad, that you wonder where he gets the audacity.
How close am I to the mark?
Camden Cox
>making shit up about how Alex gets no development. The argument isn't that he gets none. It's that he gets no meaningful development.
Which people can't possibly know if he gets or not because they didn't play the game past the first couple hours where his dickbaggery is still being explored.
Eli Moore
Neither will win user. Both Christian Fundamentalism and Wahabism are on the rise because religious thought cannot casually survive anymore, it needs to be accompanied by great hostility and denial of reality, once they are defeated, however, they will break, and they will break forever. Leftism is just a tool, like ethnic nationalism, both controlled by the same people as well, we are on the brink of genetic engineering, the greatest change mankind has ever gone through, it is already being applied on a small scale, soon, society as we know it will be over. Race, freedom of mind and the 'even playing ground' will be gone. People will be engineered for certain roles, something both extreme leftism and extreme 'right-wing' people are okay with. Freedom itself is dead, the internet gave it a golden age but ultimately made censorship easier and necessary, freedom of speech on itself is a concept that has been only used to defend commies in the past and fascists nowadays, it only gives voice to people who want to kill it. Mankind as we know it failed, and it will be replaced by something that will be both worse yet more successful. A nuclear holocaust would have been a gentler fate for mankind.
Kayden Fisher
But you're playing the asshole. In American Psycho Pat Batemen is racist and sexist asshole, but he has certain traits that make him relateable, so you are empathetic with his plight and can understand why he does those things. I'm not learning anything new, as I'm not a smug asshole. It's telling me to play a game where I go from a negative point and reach the point where I currently am. People who've had to put down a dog don't need to read "Of Mice and Men" because they already understand the theme, yet someone who hasn't had to do that found the message profound and interesting. From what I gather this is just a "hey maybe it ISN'T okay to be a pretentious asshole" kind of story. Again, just saying "hurr he's meant to be an asshole" doesn't make it any better.
I mean I guess your close, but he's as close to as unlikable as you can get in all honesty.
probably because it's a self fulfilling prophecy. No one wants to play past the first hour because the gameplay is so shit, but the gameplay, obviously, isn't the focus of the game, yet you still have to go through it.
Ian Johnson
how the fuck was Bateman rascist and sexist?
Jeremiah Brooks
i'm starting to think this is a stealth click shill thread.
I only watched the first minute or so of the Golden Alpaca, but I don't think it's too bad. It's interesting you have to do a bunch of minigames but the battle theme is pretty bad. What's everyones issue with it?
Andrew White
and how does that make him unrelatable?
David Adams
Nice to see that this is still a complete shitshow of a game.
>fights take forever due to animations >damage dealt from shitty minigames is too low and adds to the time taken >animations look shit and also drag on >music's shit >random alpaca saying lemonade/eliminate(fuck if I know, I hear both) fucking destroying any semblence of a dramatic/sad moment the cutscene before tried to do with some fag's dead sister It's just a mess
Jackson Robinson
>he doesn't know what y2k is Oh my sweet summer faggot...
Ryder Watson
I think Alex is actually ITT
Ayden Morales
>WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE FRAMERATE Framerate's the actual recording, saw another vid and it looked much smoother
Hudson Hernandez
>spent six years making a shitty game >spends his saturday nights running damage control for it on Yea Forums poor lad
Brody Perez
HEY GUYS YOU REMEMBER THAT GUY THAT DIED? WE DO TOO, HERE'S A DIGITAL GRAVESTONE TO REMIND YOU THAT HE DIED
Cooper Foster
At the turn of the new millennium people thought computers were going to have a meltdown and cause a nuclear crisis because they only read the last two digits of the year and there were a lot of other conspiracy theories about how the world was going to end since 2k seemed significant.
Adam Reyes
Why didn't the devs just look at the actually successful Earthbound inspired RPGs?
Thomas Rodriguez
Also >shit voice acting >shit art direction >shit writing >shitty lazy homage gameplay style. Reminds you of better games and makes itself look worse
Aiden Collins
YIIK, more like YUK AMIRITE GAMERS?!
Camden Powell
this but unironic
Isaac Young
>When the fucking anime midriff man game from 2005 did what he wanted to do but better. Hilarious.
>game made be 50+ people is better than one made by 2
Wow
Brody Green
He's mad that people write off the whole story for having an unlikable character. Not sure why all the other anons who replied to you said other shit.
Nicholas Reed
they didn't write off your story for having a shitty character, they wrote off your story because its fucking shit, Alex.
Jaxson Harris
Despite people calling it "yiik" the game is actually pronounced Y-2-K with the 2 being a roman numeral, so, it takes place before Y2K.
Lucas Ortiz
Well let's mention the more well-known earthbound clones then and see how YIIKES stacks up to it.
Lisa the Painful Undertale
Thomas Walker
Firstly the guy's not a zoomer. The 90s were his childhood and he clearly modeled the character after himself when he started developing the game in the late 2000s
Which is why the characters look like late 2000s era hipsters instead of actually following 1999 fashion like pic related. I'm guessing the setting got reset in mid-development
A better premise for a Y2K RPG- villains from the future keep looping the world in the year 1999 because they're nostalgic idiots who think it was the peak of human civilization and want things to remain frozen before 9/11 and the internet companies ruining everything.
The protagonists have to put on a brave face and push humanity into the year 2000 while accepting the scary new challenges the future will bring. What starts as a nostalgiac childhood romp evolves into embracing the oncoming issues of the modern day and adulthood
I actually found YIIK's plot a lot more entertaining than Undertale's but neither can hold a candle to Lisa
Asher Howard
The main character dresses like a hipster because he actually is a hipster, part of his backstory is that he got involved with the hipster crowd looking to find meaning in his shitty life. He's not meant to be a standard 90s character.
>that ending when haze tells alex to fuck off and stop being a pussy kino
Evan Rivera
Usually an unlikable protagonists has to mature and grow as a person over the course of the story, or at least become sympathetic to the audience. This is usually done by showing us the awful life experiences that made them into the jerk they are today.
But the protag in this game seems to have had a pretty good life. Also he's constantly taking petty issues super-seriously and shrugging off things like death for the sake of WACKY COMEDY! He's more upset about cookies than monsters or aliens! What is real? It makes the stakes muddled
Both 2D games, versus a 3D game. Remember when Mother 3 was in development hell when it tried to transition into 3D?
Caleb Roberts
>But the protag in this game seems to have had a pretty good life.
He doesn't, pay attention to the story. His Dad ran off with a hotter piece of ass when he was young, his Mom is always busy at work, and he had no real friends after his best friend moved to Canada when he was like 12. On top of that he's sheltered due to his parents being rich so he can't connect with other people.
Blake Jenkins
>Both 2D games, versus a 3D game Your point? They're both still better and they were made by only one dude each.
Cameron Russell
Not him but pretty sure his point is that a fully voice acted 3d game is going to require a lot more effort to get working than 2d text based games.
Logan Myers
Duchamp heard of a rule that said no matter what, if you paid your fee your art would be displayed. He tested it by submitting this piece. t. not an art historian so someone else could expand
Thomas Allen
>protag of story can't connect to other people >author of story spends his saturday night arguing with non-humans on a filipino fishmonger board
>knows limits and still makes a more decent game Makes sense
Joshua Hill
But hipsters weren't a thing in the 90s. Sure you had nostalgic adults and baby boomer hippies, but no one was nostalgic for the 80s or vinyll records or shitty old computers in the 90s. We were too stoked to have JUST gotten a music format that didn't have extra noise
The main nostalgia markets in the 90s were for stuff from the 70s (Austin Powers) and whatever baby boomers grew up with in the 50s and 60s (hence all the hollywood remakes of the Adams Family, the Brady Bunch movies, Flipper, the Beverly Hillbillies etc). Maybe if he was into stuff from the 60s or 70s it wouldn't have clashed with the setting
3D games are harder to produce, that's the point. Lisa was produced on fucking RPG maker. A super simplified software. And Undertale was produced on Gamemaker Studio, another very streamlined, albeit more flexible, software.
Justin Reyes
>the next Ayn Rand Why the fuck would anyone want to be recognized as the next Ayn Rand?
Adam Richardson
Nah I'm not the developer just somebody that decided to dump the 20 bucks the first week to play the game blind so that I could see what the game is like without all the bias. And it's really bugging me because the way you guys talk about this game it's obvious you don't know anything about it beyond what the journalists have told you and that is really really atypical for this site.
Are we supposed to commend the YIIK devs for going the "extra mile" by trying 3D instead? It's still a shit 3D RPG game if that's the case. Lisa and Undertale chose a less ambitious path on the engine side of things but landed their jump far far better than this game ever did.
Noah Bailey
the game's horrible but this track is neat. Lemonade.
Easton Murphy
What the fuck? Nearly half of all kids have to deal with divorced parents and few have the privilege of blaming their social problems on being rich. His backstory is identical to mine, except my family was poor and I was diagnosed as an aspie as a child. He has a better life story than 75% of the playerbase.
What was stopping him from making new friends after the age of 12? Was he not-rich as a child? It's hard to sympathize when the audience can see all the alternate life decisions he chose not to take.
Adam Miller
>I'm not the developer t. Alex
Jace Johnson
Being a story driven RPG with a turn based battle systems, doesn't make it an earthbound clone. Not when it has a completely different style of presentation. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Jaxon Sanders
I agree but I guarantee this Alex guy loves Earthbound
Ryan Lopez
so how's the weather been over there, Alex? did you get any of that rain pummeling the eastern/southern US?
The game is a steaming pile of shit Both the gameplay and the story suffer from the creator fundamentally misunderstanding the medium, plus the visuals and music are straight up bad.
Daniel Brooks
Yes, absolutely, this has EB inspirations. But I'd relate it closer to Persona.
Cooper Watson
Jesus Christ , why do indie devs treat their games likes it's babie's first vidya? They feel the need to tell the player everything and drown them in expository word soup as if gamers have no context clues. Everything everyone says goes in circles and they act like they just dropped a huge chunk of story when in reality all was said was some meaningless fodder.
David Perez
his entire life has been denial & projection. he writes a self-insert protag who is a shitty character but tries to blame it on his bad childhood, which nobody buys. then his game doesn't sell for shit and he blames it on 'gamers'. now he's on here claiming he's misunderstood. it would be a brilliant piece of performance art if it was done consciously, but instead it's just a sad psychological trainwreck.
Why do the characters reactions not match up with the voice over? >demanding the truth about a characters traumatic past while her body language gives off that she's either bored or trying to think about something >reacts to the answer with complete terror and shock >voices that terror and shock with soft spoken sympathy None of that shit matches up at all
Christopher Reyes
That’s also what ratchet and clank 1 did.
Daniel Flores
Is the music supposed to cut out or is that the video maker being dumb?
Chase Morgan
I think the problem is people like him think making a video game like art means making it like a novel or a movie which is fucking retarded. Adding writing/music/cinematic to a game doesn't make the game art but an art delivery vehicle. The game has to actually be a good goddamn videogame to be art.
Lincoln Ward
SORRY BUT NAKATA IS NOT THAT SMART *flips stone*
Jeremiah Howard
Wtf is that soundtrack
Thomas Torres
The girl on the right is a QT.
Gavin Powell
My mistake was thinking that sculpting was art. I wanted to sculpt a statue that was of a naked man, but statue admirers are so use to sculptures of people that aren't naked to where, If they see a penis they immediately get triggered by it. So sculptures aren't art, they're weirdly shaped rocks for weirdos.
Holy shit I knew there was another game that tried the same character change before but I couldn't put my finger on it. Yes, RaC 1 did do this, and better because you can actually point out his points of development.
Asher Nelson
>Filename isn't "dawn of the final soi"
7/10
Andrew Bennett
Wait. How long did it take for them to make this game again?
Aiden Anderson
Don’t know anything about this game or this dev but I agree with what the guys saying. Same kind of shit that makes people hate Raiden in MGS2 but like MGS3 BB. The games probably shit though
Josiah Hughes
Hello Alex!
Colton Ross
You almost make it sound like The Room of video games. Don't give anyone ideas.
Ryan Williams
Honestly the only thing I want to know is what makes this game postmodern in any way?
Thomas Price
yiikes
Elijah Moore
It makes sense though if you disconnect it from this game
Luis Robinson
miyazaki would look way better if he went bald full on monk mode
Joseph Taylor
People (in the west) hated Raiden because he was designed to appeal to Japanese girls. He was a thwart to the male power fantasy that most others expected.
That's really all there is, different protags appeal to different demographics. And when you have a Marty Stu character, it only appeals to the author
Justin Carter
>talking down upon some of the greatest works of literature
He talking about Ayn rand novels, user. You’re not implying what anyone thinks you’re implying, are you?
Bentley Young
show had a second season, but it went straight to netflix, and a few years later it got delisted off of Netflix.
Also it's from a former PFFR employee, the dudes who made Wonder Showzen which makes sense why the art style is so ugly
Jaxon Cook
tits are way too big to be cunny
keep posting anyways
Eli Roberts
>He was a thwart to the male power fantasy that most others expected.
That’s the point of my entire post. You didn’t get what you wanted and got mad. That’s what this guy seems to be talking about.I watched that first video clip that was posted and the game looks like shit. But what was said about game characters and the audience reaction seems spot on
Samuel Perez
No it doesn't. People hated Raiden because he was a bait and switch, all media prior to the game featured Snake including the fucking demo, and people were fine with BB because it was clear from the start that BB was the protagonist.
Landon Cox
Yeah user, no one complained that he was whiny, or girly or questioned his CO’s. It was all the bait and switch.
This is genuinely revisionist history. No one liked Raiden at launch. I like him now, because I acknowledge that he basically acts like a real person would in his situation (i.e poorly) but at launch I hated his guts and so did everyone else. People only came around to him in MGS4 and when the "games as art" craze reared it's head in the early 2010's.
Lincoln Roberts
Holy shit
Angel Lopez
They complained about his character because it wasn't the established character of the franchise at the time. The complaints were literally "he isn't Snake".
Where did I say anyone liked Raiden? By all means, show how I'm wrong.
Jordan Lewis
>kojima plays toys with expectations of MGS1 fans in MGS2, resulting in his game being labeled 'postmodern' >Alex decides to add some MGS spice to his artless blender of earthbound & undertale imitation and calls his first entry of a horrible, janky, poorly-written game 'postmodern'
boy, instead of writing a masterpiece i could just title my novel 'masterpiece', that's basically the same thing, right?
Jonathan Lee
>MGS >Masterpiece Are gamers really this retarded?
When music sales peaked for all-time because piracy didn't exist and stars came out of sweedish music labs and corporate media outlets decided which artists we did and didn't hear about
>"This will be my last album on this game" Where are the others?
Kayden Cox
I'm almost tempted to go into RPGmaker and remake this piece of shit game and turn it into something that's actually worth playing, just to show this retarded dev how to make an actual video game. Honestly, most everything in the game is fine in concept and just ruined by pure incompetence and pretentiousness, especially the story.
Alexander Watson
youtube.com/watch?v=M3lR3W9gM1s I read this great book once that had a part about how that one outkast song wasn't popular when it came out, so radio companies pulled some divine cybermancy bullshit to make people like it.
Zachary Reyes
The music is so unbelievably bad it makes me angry. The combat is a whole other issue.
Christ why is that combat so fucking awful? Even Undertale at least only went for basic bitch danmaku and slightly less basic bitch danmakushit for the last bosses.
Charles Fisher
I don't know, I just found it on wikipedia of all places. Try searching his username.
Bentley Price
I kind of like the music, do I have bad taste?
Nathan Gomez
Hahhahahahahaha OH NO GUISE IM SOOO DISGUSTED hHAHAHAHA
Reading about how half of the #1 hits on the US billboard from 1997-2003 came from some Sweedish music lab no one's heard of was startling. The only other people who wrote more certifiable hits than Deniz Pop were the Beatles.
It's a level of inauthenticity that you can't really get away with anymore
Damn I used to listen to so much Kraftwerk in college. I’ll have to listen through some again
Lucas Murphy
Movie industry is just as bad if not worse
Austin Morris
>"Johnson, you're fired because your performance is shit" My performance isn't shit, it's....postmodern
lmao
Isaac Diaz
>when you make a game so fucking bad that both the shitlord basement dwelling gaymers and the corrupt SJW """gaming journalists""" band together to shit on it What other trash games got fucked this hard?
Ryan Davis
Is the female VA fat? She sounds fat.
Sebastian Peterson
No one wants to identify as someone who has a ginger beard and wears flannel shirts.
Leo Jackson
>Evergrace >Bad ?
Dominic Gonzalez
She is. Ironically the character she voices worst fear is getting fat.
You should stop drinking the soi and lift some weights.
Nathaniel Mitchell
What's an Ayn Randian character?
Thomas Peterson
ok but where's the porn
Nathaniel Walker
This picture is such a fucking waste should say Ginger
Aiden Brown
In context of what he’s saying it’s a character that communicates to you their role in the story through their name and design to a comical level of telling you what to think about them rather than letting character actions speak for themselves.
Colton Miller
Did that not trigger the VA?
Alexander Gray
B-but guys Toby Fox made a track for this game! It's good!
Jaxson Collins
This actually could be passable if the music wasn't so fucking atrocious, and some unnecessary background effects didn't try to kill you with epilepsy.
John Wright
what the fuck did I watch?
Ryan Edwards
maybe he should try making the game not shit next time
>you would be meming about the cutscene where a 50 year old boomer rambles for 10-15 minutes about how the tea he's made for the party was made using a thought to be extinct tea leaf that also cured his dying friend in India What exactly is there to be memed about here? Christ that sounds so boring, no wonder the left can't meme.
I'm not sure how seriously you should take something said on the Dick Show, he's probably just trying to get a rise out of people for shits and giggles.
Ryan Brooks
Alex is just not written very well There are plenty of games that show a progressive development from being delusional or selfish and unlikeable characters to being well adjusted human beings (or not if it’s intentional to end on a downer) Alex’s issue is that he’s unlikeable and shows no redeeming qualities We’re never given much evidence he could be better and the events that push him to develop are pretty outlandish to the point where it feels more like a forcing function on his personality rather than a situation that has an equivalent in real life The game also throws around post modern jargon without really incorporating it into the story or gameplay in an interesting way. It’s a lot of telling, not a lot of showing
Connor Thomas
I can sense you're a literal nigger.
Luke Nguyen
Tldr
the bottom line is they have no self reflection or self awareness.
Julian Butler
oh shit it's dick masterson
Carson Murphy
Is there somewhere I can pirate this for PC? I want to do a spite playthrough
Matthew Clark
One example would be Tales of the Abyss.
Luke is fucking unsufferable for a good chunk of the game, then he kills a whole city and the healing starts.
Adrian Richardson
I got mine from literally googling "yiik cracked download" and finding a mega link
Julian Bennett
What's wrong with Murakami?
Parker Gray
Also shipped near the end of the SNES lifecycle with shit ads like "THIS GAME STINKS" in magazines.
Nathan Torres
Well, that is just sad. Even more laughable how they have her scream for the main character and the guy who did it decided to just do nothing
47, your mission is to assassinate the Yiik thread on Yea Forums. Yiik is a disgusting abomination of a game, but that's not the worst of it. It's creator, Alex, has been shitting up the board trying to drum up support for his failed project. The clock is ticking. You know what to do. Good luck, 47.
