Smashfags have no arguments against this webm and it scares them

To be fair, he's in a completely different pose in the Marth comparison.

No wonder there's a shit ton of characters in this party game. It's all just copy and paste shit.

I'm a smashfag, I don't have an argument but I agree that joker's a boring character not worth my money, what do I win?

There can be only so many animation styles. When your character count is in the 70’s, of course you’re gonna start reusing stuff.

You really only have a point if it’s an echo fighter.

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>the same exact thread 4 times in a row today
do you not know how to use the filter?

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>Samefagging THIS hard
You're just making people who don't like smash look bad, user.

Nintendo chose the DLC fighters this time around

They aren't really competing with anyone (Or at least, that's what they say), so I guess they're just adding characters they like

So if Mario has a jab, no one can share it?

>No wonder
>retard says this with how many echos there are
Why were you born brain damaged?

Name one other non-clone character that shares that many moves.

And these are the same kinds of people who ask why there are so many smash threads on Yea Forums.

Ike

actually i dont like it either

Fire Emblem characters are a blight on the game that everyone but when faggots hates. So, you're right, but we hate them too.

Nintendo wanted to Shill Persona 5's switch port since Japan voted it the best game of all time last year

Ultimate is garbage, figure they'd butcher Joker's inclusion. The game so bad I don't even want to bother pirating the DLC for a character from one of my favorite series.

>Persona 5's switch port
But that's not happening. Where do you get this?

>character shares similar animations
well ain't that a thing. it's a good thing his own weight, speed and airspeed values will require players to use the moves in different situations thaat the characters who they came from do, not even mentioning the moves most likely have different properties from the ones they're similar to.

oh right, his specials set him apart fairly well too! well, sides from having basically every counter mechanic built into Arsene in the game.

What am I supposed to be mad at here

Ganon

To be fair, there's only so much you can do with an anime person using a sword/dagger/short sword. I hope Sakurai learns his fucking lesson and cuts down these faggy anime cunt from Smash.

All I know is Joker is fun

One frame is a character I like, the other is a bunch I dont like plus a couple I do.

Sounds like you haven't played P5. Game was pretty fucking good.

COPE & SEETHE MORE

So what is the appeal of Persona aside from the art direction? I feel like there's a lot I'm missing but I haven't educated myself enough about it to learn exactly what or if it'd be a good purchase for me

Why do some people think the ballot has to be so influential for every single newcomer addition now? You people already got Ridley and K. Rool.

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They want to justify their anger
How DARE they do something they didn't expect

Why do individual moves being similar mean anything when it's about how the character plays as a whole against the rest? Like if you want to talk about smash characters being same-y, there are handful of characters whose down smash is basically the same thing where they do some sort of split kick or mimic a split kick with weapons. Or up airs being dumb spin moves

I didn't buy it, just like I didn't buy that blasphemous BotW "expansion".

Sakurai really liked Persona 5. There was a whole interview with him about how he liked the UI a lot and whatever.

There's literally no evidence of Persona 5 coming to the Switch

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He doesn't have a defined gameplay style

Who cares, you have to do the special moves a few times then wait for the next smash game

?????
Name one move Ike lifted from another character. The only one I could see is d-tilt coming from Link

There's only so many ways you can make limbs move. Fair enough if he was stealing specials from other characters, but normal attacks aren't expected to be unique.

Why does this webm have so much fucking motion blur?

To disguise the fact that most of the animations are actually fairly different.

>. Fair enough if he was stealing specials from other characters

>Down B: Counter
>Up B: Ivysuar
>Up B with jojo stand: Pit
>Side B: Ness's PK fire except it does poison damage
>Neutral B: Bayonetta

Uh, is playing smash from that 8bitdo genesis pad viable? Since its a dpad you cant do anything but dash, but you get just as many directions as an analog stick

>TFW Banjo's just going to be a total Duck Hunt clone in the end

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I was ok with joker until I actually fought him online. He is everything cancer about the game in one character.
>Has lucario's aura (arsene)
>enables spammy ranged camping, but even worse because once he gets arsene you are forced to be campy too
>anime swordsman

>>anime swordsman
>dagger

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>>Has lucario's aura (arsene)
They don't function even close to the same.
>>enables spammy ranged camping, but even worse because once he gets arsene you are forced to be campy too
No, because each he takes lowers how much meter joker has while Arsene is out. The actual optimal strategy for deal with Arsene is to rush Joker and beat the shit out of him since most of his moves have a shitton of startup.
>>anime swordsman
No.

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*each hit he takes

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I don't play smash. What's the point of this webm? is it that the edgy dude has less commitment on all his air attacks and gets low enough to hit grounded people from a jump faster than anyone else due his jump not being as floaty?

this, and you can even see the Persona 5 influence on the menu UI, the Final Smash cut-ins, and the victory screen effects

No the OP is trying to make the retarded argument that because the animations look vaguely similar to 10 other characters in the game hes a clone

The point is that all of his normal attacks are lifted from other fighters in the roster. Not to mention his down-special move is a counter which is unoriginal on its own.

He also really liked minecraft, undertale and dragon quest builders.

You know what that means.

botw dlc was a huge letdown. the trial was okay but not nearly worth the money. champion's ballad was really weak.

no

will the term cross-clone be a thing from now on?

Keep in mind I'll never be a smelly faggot that uses a gamecube controller like its worth a damn

yes smash has a bunch of copypasta moves. This is nothing new. Shoutouts to back kick bairs, straight kick nairs, and sword swipe fairs

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Same happen in KOF with Ash. Your point?

But smash has a metric fuckton of characters and it'd be both ridiculous to expect the developers to develop 100% unique movesets and unfun to play a game with a fuckton of characters that each have no common moves but only completely unique moves you have to memorize?

>he's still in denial about "P5S" being a switch port

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Sakurai is probably friends with someone at Atlus.

Mix characters are not new, just look at Honoka in DOA for example.

That and he's a big fan of Persona 1. He also went out of his way to highly praise 5's menu design. Joker being the current popular character out of the series is probably why he made it in.

autist

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If you actually play these slowly none of them look similar.
>joker completely extends his (left?) leg, samus bends it and she also spins while falling
>joker's d-air has him go full 180 and swipe over his head while facing the camera, marth is facing away and swiping underneath him
>joker is leaning into his side-air, roy maintains posture
>joker spins twice, mii gunner once
>joker's slides with his right leg out and left foot against the floor, simon with his left leg out and right knee against the floor
Only ones that look like they MIGHT'VE just ripped an animation is the side-smash. Maybe. If you squint hard enough.

lol this is what smashfags think counts as variety

They're story driven jrpgs, with 3 4 and 5 being fairly popular for their visuals and younger appeal. They all have stand alone stories, so you can play whichever you want. 5 is definitely my favorite just for how fast the combat is and the early sections of the story. I guess another thing too is that music is a big part of why theyr'e popular. There's a lot of really good mellow tunes alongside the really hype battle themes. I can legit listen to this one for hours
youtube.com/watch?v=GU269Rp5K1M
youtube.com/watch?v=IsMeavnp2rs

The games are pretty challenging if you play on harder difficulties. There's a lot of battle strategy and depth with persona fusions and getting the combination of moves you want. Plus, above all, it's fun going through different characters social links and seeing their stories.

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>ah yes, you see this character that does the same exact moves present in other characters is actually diffrent because these small animation details that have zero impact on gameplay
Was it autism?

smashfags don't know what gameplay even is. they only know how to rosterfag and argue over character moveset visuals.

>tfw in an alternate world we would've gotten yu

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Good riddance, Joker is much more based than another longsword user. Not to mention Yu is already in a good fighting game.

>phantom thief
>steals attacks

stop pretending like we know the ballot results

...and Chrom.
and Daisy.
and Dark Samus.
and essentially all returning veterans (Sakurai said the consistently high demand for missing veterans led to “everyone is here”).

What genocide was that? I'm a bit rusty on my Flintstones lore.

test

He also liked Battle Chef Brigade of all things. I guess this girl’s confirmed.

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deepest lore

The Smash Ballot ended in 2015, Persona 5 didn't come out till late 2016.

His normals and movement collectively are fun as fuck.

He's a little disappointing because it feels like his power budget is completely enslaved by Arsene, so his vanilla specials get sacrificed. His Gun would be so fucking cool if there was a kit properly built entirely around it, now it feels like a throwaway.

Maybe, user. Maybe.

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Sakurai already explained it.

He wanted someone to represten MegaTen, so he went to Atlus to ask for ideas and they suggested Joker to him.

That´s it.

So a game fun for stories and not game play, kinda reminds me of the Xenoblade games.

>someone to represten MegaTen
>Atlus suggests Joker instead of Jack Frost

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>ctrl+f
>1 result for Ganon

The only difference between Joker and Ganon is that people actually asked for Ganon, and that Captain Falcon's moveset was entirely fabricated to be a generic fighter moveset.

Nintendo doesn't give a shit about adding character people care about. They merged with a mobile company. Expect more shitty decisions in the future just like how Acti-Blizzard turned Blizzard into a shit company.

we could've killed two birds with one stone, and Joker rotates between like 3 or 4 personas for his specials, jack frost and arsene being the 2 obvious ones

>a protagonist instead of an enemy mook
What a tragedy. And I bet people like you honestly think Dragon Quest should get a fucking slime before an actual hero too. Piranha Plant was a mistake.

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That's not what he said and it's not true at all

That ability isn't canon. Yu doesn't rotate Persona in Arena, and everyone can switch theirs in PQ.

>And I bet people like you honestly think Dragon Quest should get a fucking slime before an actual hero too
well, yeah

>And I bet people like you honestly think Dragon Quest should get a fucking slime before an actual hero too.
given how fucking boring dragon quest's heroes are, especially erdrick (the epitome of the "generic anime swordsman" that smashfags usually bitch about), i'll gladly take slime over any of them.

>That ability isn't canon.
You clearly haven't played 5.

A fucking slime would have a more interesting gameplay than any actual hero.

Not him, and while I think Joker is 100% the superior pick to Jack Frost, I think Slime would be a fine choice

>counter being stolen from anyone when so many characters have it
>partially invincible Jojo Up B
>Side B behaves nothing like PK Fire
>Neutral B is only like Bayonettas if you literally just stand still while using it, might as well say Pit's arrows are stolen from Link

>no one voted for a character we didn't know about at the time
no shit

Blew your load on the Samus move then gets fairly different from then on. You tried.

>And I bet people like you honestly think Dragon Quest should get a fucking slime before an actual hero too.
Only if there's a Metal Slime alt and maybe a King Slime Final Smash

> go to a nice restaurant with my fiance and her family
> her "adult" younger brother brings his switch, AGAIN
> before we've even ordered he looks me dead in eyes and tells us how Joker ruined smash
> finally decide to tell him off because we literally can never have a normal conversation when he is around
> rest of the night goes on without a hitch although the waitress keeps looking at us funny as he awkwardly plays his switch the entire time

We've gotten really pissed waiters before because of that dude. Fucking Nintendo fans suck. I like their games, but they bring out the mega autists.

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And the Roy one, Roy spins around Joker does a flip

>People are STILL seething about Joker and will continue to seethe just as long as Bayonetta
God I love Smash Brothers. The salt mines never run out with this series.

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Lots of characters share lots of animations. That doesn't bother me.

Now, if you can come up with a video to show that those moves have the same frame data and hitboxes, THEN we'll have problems.

I bet you play dbfz

The animations aren't even shared on any of these, the ones closest together being the uair with Samus, every single other move is only a vaguely similar motion, this webm is so retarded.

It was already leaked by Best Buy.

I don't, actually, but I keep meaning to.

What I *do* play is Street Fighter, which made an entire franchise on that premise.

Hell, Mortal Kombat went years with entire characters sharing entire character animation sheets and changing nothing but the color, nobody gave a shit then

>ah yes, this thing that proves me wrong doesn't count because I don't like it
Was it autism?

Literally every fucking fighting game has characters use similar moves. Street fighter literally made the clone character archetype. Tekken has move pools so deep that they can't possibly have unique shit, so many normals look exactly the same among characters.

I felt this way too. They could have at least put a SMT rep from a Nintendo title in, Strange Journey's protagonist would be my pick. Plus it recently got a re-release didn't it?

But I get it, they want to advertise P5 coming to the Switch... commercialism, etc.

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Joker's gun is actually better than it looks once you figure out the nuances. Like how you can shoot it faster by mashing the button and how you can jump shoot of it.

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>A literal who
Assuming this isn't b8, its a huge jprg series and sold more than bayonetta. Half of what Yea Forums is asking for is nothing more than a bunch of whos

He's a thief, after all

Marth simply swings his sword downwards below him. Joker is actually upside down slicing "above" him.
Like lol how can you even try to say they just copy/pasted. It's as opposite as it can be.

>meanwhile, back at the FGC

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p5s.jp/
more news this thursday
i'm honestly hoping it is a switch port, it would be neat to see.
t. idort

How's this worse than Street Fighter's literal 10 copies of Ryu?

take a shower, meleefag. you reek.

A dagger is just a short sword.

No... Bros, NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I haven't played Melee since 2008. Stay seething, FGCuck

I don't get it what am I supposed to be judging

>waiter, can I have a sword for this steak?

>smash trannies SEETHE
>all the threads about trans rights stage being deleted
There is only every other smashfag now, the smash trannies killed themselves after Nintendo banned the stages.

Not only this but his team victory animation is either him by himself without his team or his default in game taunt.

I did

>Joker just got Arsene as a limit break instead of having multiple Personas as his specials
Fuck Smash Bros, they always take the laziest and easiest way out when it comes to movesets

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>he thinks the ballot was real
you poor innocent child

>praising menu design.

I don't know how much that means since his retarded wife can't make a menu for jack shit.

On no, a character that has some of the same animations as the 70 something other characters!? How unexpected! This sort of thing has never ever happened in Smash history!! We've been ripped off!!! He's not original at all, unlike all the other characters in the roster.
Just look at Ganondorf, now THAT is an original and unique moveset.

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>switchkids: dude who even cares about this character from this shit game lmao
>[a week goes by]
>switchkids: dude seethe harder snoy P5 is on the switch now lmao

Pretty sure it's in reference to the extinction of neanderthals.

Is it bad that I actually do like Arsene instead of the same fucking demons from the same fucking series? To be fair, the only other game I played was Strange Journey but I was like "Oh, so this is every game." Do they at least add more/different with each game?

>King Slime FS
>Not Schleiman Tank

People are still playing this game? It's just a reskin of smash 4 with balloon knockback

Show me one good combo video and I might change my mind

>they always take the laziest and easiest way out when it comes to movesets
what is
>Mega Man
>Meta Knight
>Dedede
>Captain Falcon
>Bayonetta
>Pac-Man
>Simon

Ult is the worst smash game, bar none. So glad that many people are agreeing on its awfulness. SSBU is just bad.
Like, in /literally/ every facet.

Someone else gets it too. SSBU is just a port.

I'll play your game.

The biggest thing are the animations. Every single one of those moves although they look similar in effect, the animations he uses aren't just copy and paste.
His range and weight class make him feel different than most sword users too.
His Nair has 2 motherfucking hits, and the second hit has stronger knockback are you blind jesus that's nothing at all like mii gunner.

He also has 3 extra moves no one else in the game has. NSpecial into jump, Nspecial special in the air into down, and Nspecial in the air up. While the first two moves are visually the same, they attack way differently.

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Anyone still have the aqua ass stage?

You're right, the laziest and easiest way to implement Joker was to give him a unique gimmick that isn't quite like any other fighter in the game. They should have really buckled down and put the monumental effort required into making a basic character with some fanservicey aesthetics plastered over his specials.

It's content that promotes other shit in Smash. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth

99% of standard attacks are made up to begin with. When there's nearly 100 characters, they'll end up being similar to others. Special attacks are what really set characters apart.

Sounds cool, I'll give it a try.
Thanks user

Keep defending your port, zoomer.

This.

Fucking this.

So-o-o-o-oooooooo much fucking this.

Prepare for the rest of the DLC to be ALL FRIE EMBLEM MARY SUE SHITS!!!!!!!

Which standard attacks come from actual games? Off the top of my mind there's Mario's jab, down smash, and Cloud's fair.

Does shitposting about stuff you don't even really believe ever get boring?

It's almost like this game has over 60 fucking unique character movesets and at one point you start to see similarities with some moves

Counter.