What do you think about his inclusion in Smash Bros

What do you think about his inclusion in Smash Bros

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I don't.

He deserves, unlike Western literal who's. Cloud is iconic as fuck

Good. Outside of the lack of music he’s very faithfully realized. Midgar is a great stage. I don’t play him though

Like him or not, it's true. Unlike Joker, Ryu/Generic Karate Man and the likes of Doom Guy (and others) Cloud comes to mind immediately when you think about his genre. He's the "whiny Emo" of Final Fantasy with the oversized sword, recognizable immediately, vivid in your mind.

ironically so, because Cloud's not really a "whiny Emo" in FFVII

Good addition to roster

SE are a bunch of jews who don't deserve any representation in Smash
>TWO fucking songs
>TWO fucking spirits
>alt colors boring as fuck

Another non-nintendo character in this stupid game for complete inbreds.

Ryu is like the most iconic fighting game character, what are you talking about?

Wrong, Chun Li is more iconic then Ryu

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>He's the "whiny Emo" of Final Fantasy
yeah...in advent children only. in ff7 he's nothing like that

Fair. But still, Ryu absolutely deserves to be in. I'd like to see Chun-Li as DLC tho

He's just a generic karate guy. Go into the street and show someone a picture of Mario, or Link or Pikachu or something and they'll know them. Even Old Ladies know Mario, that's iconic. Show them Ryu and they'll know him only if they know fighting games / Smash. That's not iconic. You could have put Karate Joe or something in Smash and it would have had the same effect. Sorry, he's not iconic. Mickey Mouse is iconic, Son Goku is iconic, Super Mario is iconic, Generic Karate Man is NOT iconic.

Doesn't matter, that's how he's known. That's the iconic Cloud.

I wish they'd cut him to make room for more important characters like Pinkgold Peach.

While I would have preferred a more Nintendo-friendly rep like Cecil or Terra, Final Fantasy deserves the slot, and Cloud still makes sense given he's the most well-known FF protagonist. I just wish Square wasn't so obvious in limiting access to their IP. Not having more music or any Spirits does the franchise a massive disservice.

Ok, while I disagree you have to understand that Sakurai likes putting in the main protagonist of each series. It would be weird to have Chun-Li or anyone else in without Ryu

P5 is easily the best JRPG made in the past 10 years and probably ever

He's also like that in the dissidia series and ESPECIALLY kingdom hearts 2. Basically any time Steve burton voices him.

That's fine, but the point was that Cloud is a video game icon in the way that other third party characters are. It was a good pick.

Awful. Should at least keep to the rule of 'was seen on a nintendo system'. There's no shortage of great FF protags on Nintendo stuff.

Actually, I'd like him replaced with a Dragon Quest rep.

the same can be said for cloud. Do you seriously think he's that well known by normies? Let alone any final fantasy character

>Should at least keep to the rule of 'was seen on a nintendo system'.
So in what world do you come from where Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories for the GBA didn’t exist?

Yes, you underestimate how much normies love Final Fantasy. It is a 26 Billion dollar franchise

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Then why did FFXV sell four times as many copies?

Sales don’t make a good game.

Gay! I want a real character like 2b, so that way I can jerk off while playing with my friends. They could also jerk me off too.

He's an understandable inclusion, because having Square Enix content without Cloud would be like having SEGA content without Sonic or Namco content without Pac-Man
I just wish Square Enix weren't such fucking jews about his inclusion. There's absolutely no reason why FF spirits or FF songs couldn't be in the game aside from jewery. The fact that Crazy Motorcycle Chase, Blinded by Light, J-E-N-O-V-A, One Winged Angel, Decisive Battle, Battle on Big Bridge and Electric de Chocobo aren't in the game is such fucking bullshit
>Ryu isn't the face of fighting games
Are you genuinely retarded

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>zeroes in

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Hype? apart from the boy band shit it was advertised as a return to form with all the content that made old FF memorable.

>does nothing for Nintendo and it's still in
And people still talk about "deserving a spot" in this sellout shit game? Cloud barely even fits the atmosphere of the game, post Advent Children Cloud even less.

I've never been a fan of this opinion. Really I think what the other user should say is was predominantly on a nintendo system or heavily associated with them. But I think such an opinion is massively dated the moment Brawl put Snake and Sonic in. Yes I'm aware metal gear was on the snes and sonic had games later on but they were 3rd party characters who were well known from another system unrelated to nintendo. That's when Nintendo jumped the shark past a point of no return when including third parties.

Does it really have to matter that Cloud counted because he was on a nintendo system because he was in a spin off of a spin off of a game. Of course not. He mattered because he's the most popular and iconic Final Fantasy character.

Smash is no longer about a celebration of nintendo all stars. I want to say its a celebration of all video game all stars but to do that means including alot more iconic third parties and a lot less of Corrins.