Bayo was the metaknight of smash 4

gun is fine. It has early combo setups, unique mobility options and can gimp pretty easily.
I don't know why people are saying joker is bad or underwhelming right now though. His damage without arsene is bad but he has solid combo paths that still rack up damage. What he lacks in range and power without arsene is made up for in mobility and speed. And then when arsene is out all his moves kill at 90. And it only takes one solid rebellion guard to get arsene out super early.

That said, as a peach main, I am obliterating every joker online because they insist on going super low for their recovery and I just throw a turnip down into their face.

Jigglypuff was a literal clone in SSB, nice try

>tfw to stupid to gimp with gun or do any of the other cool gun tricks

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>they insist on going super low for their recovery
Where else would they go? They've got no horizontal mobility options in the air so their only option is to come from below

Amazing how despite all this DLC, there's still no likely match for Peach's magnificent turnips and ass blasting. Still hoping there's something side by side to her that's as good as she is without actually resorting to broken shit in this upcoming DLC. It'd be nice to have a male equivalent.

Daisy's okay, but she still has her slight differences which makes her slightly below Peach. You'd think they wouldn't be significant, but they are.

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no brainpower required for the gimp. just do the dante spin when people are recovering low and hope you catch their double jump with a bullet. The wavedash trick is a little weird with the timing. I've been rolling my finger from jump to special, then just holding forward and I get it most of the time. I'm not planning on maining him at all but I love his design. Hes such a coherent, synergistic character that has a clear gameplan and great tools. I was worried about the dlc character design after plant since hes just a mish mash of moves and concepts with no overarching gameplan.

Joker is nowhere close to Bayo or meta knight

Gun is an amazing horizontal mobility tool.
I'll open up an arena if you want to play.

t.Joker main

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you can grapple from the side of the ledge which is much faster and safer. The people I'm talking about have clear opportunity to do that but instead drop super low and grapple from there. If recovering low is their only option than there is no answer though, peach turnips fuck him.
peach is a god. Turnips are the best projectile in the game. Float is the best mobility option in the game. I love playing a character thats so good but because of mechanics totally unique to her. No one else compares.

I would, but I haven't purchased Switch online yet.
Would you mind explaining what you mean?

Barely, he is weak as fuck and you have to rely on Arsene which is easy to get rid of because attacking him speeds up the meter drain

Also Grabs will get rid of the counter spam

Those differences got removed

Op clearly has no grasp on the game LMAO

While you're launched in the air , hold B followed by a forward input.

Joker can stall in the air and do an 'airdash' with Gun.

Daisy still has slightly less advantageous hit boxes.

>Its another episode of “people claim a character’s viability not even a week into their avaliability”
Remember how OP K. Rool and Little Mac were?

Never forget that Yea Forums is trash at fighting games and you should never trust anything you see posted here on the subject

Now that i think of it, why is joker's tether so much more consistent than ivysaur's?

>Luigi
>Jigglypuff

fuck off dickhead

>Steve is the last fighter
>the rest of Smash Ultimates lifespan will be Steve Vs Steve dittos