Action games must have photorealistic visuals to justify their existence

Then you're patrician. However, MGR, Bayo 2, and Nier Automata aren't that good because their gameplay is boring, not because of their visuals.

That's not what he said. English must be hard for you.

What he means is that he is happy there's finally a game that goes all in with a powerful engine to give us the most AAA experience for an action game. A genre, which he correctly says, often is not technologically on the cutting edge.

sad truth about mgr, still like it, but it's pretty brainded

Yeah, and it looks like garbage
I'd rather have any of those low budget games than MUH REALISM where everything is a gray muddled mess

>looks like garbage

Attached: 1552861340036.jpg (778x813, 362K)

Devi May Cringe faggots everyone.
As shitting up the board with their shitty generals wasn't enough, now they think shitting on better games is ok too.

He looks like a real human, with faults and skin pores and shit
Give me DMC3 Vergil

>Seething this hard that people enjoy a Video game

>OLD GOOD NEW BAD

Attached: 1555234714126.jpg (478x523, 105K)

Man, I watched a few of Vaati's Sekiro videos.
They're totally fucking useless.

Yeah he looks good, the render for vergil in DMC3 is hilariously bad. Looks like jack frost from santa claus 3.

Im not interested in what he has to say until he does his REmake 2 video.

Attached: 76B08EC5-B2AD-4301-BC8F-E263D11AD84C.jpg (640x672, 348K)

Yeah, turns out when the game has an actual story you can't just make shit up

That guy is literally one of the biggest contrarians in that platform. BUT he is hot as fuck

When the plot is mostly straightforward, can't make lore videos. It's also funny because there is some deep lore he could've made videos on, but everyone else beat him to the punch while he wasted an entire month on "did you know [insert basic shit everyone has been saying since every demo]"

I loved the game but starting and finishing on GMGOW gave me newfound appreciation for harder difficulties locked behind completion of previous ones.

I watched the video, I cringed everytime he said "gamey video game". I know what he means but the way he says it is dumb.

Love DMC5 but I really hate this retard. The graphics part was definitely a low point of that video. Am I supposed to accept that people are okay with action games being "bland" when the games he showed have visual styles that match the tone of the game? Nier takes place in a dead world, no shit it's dull and empty. Bayo 2 is super colorful and takes you through a beautiful port city, heaven, hell, limbo, and runs great despite all of the detail. Wonderful 101 is stylized to fit the tone of the shows it is aping. The only one that legitimately looks like shit is Bayo 1.

There's also this really terrible part around 29:00 where he says the scope of the video can't include every minute detail of the gameplay (no shit) and that he isn't the end all be all authority on DMC while encouraging others to make videos in such a tone that implies he is the end all be all of informative DMC videos. What was the point of this? Was he trying to come off cheeky like he's some sort of Jordan Belfort player? This section makes him look like an asshole, a pussy, and the entire thing could be removed and it wouldn't change the rest of the video in the slightest.

He didn't say any of those. He said he was surprised it looked good since a good action game would usually sacrifice graphics for performance. Also DMC5 sucks and nuCapcom is a company that makes shovelware versions of their past games.

>There's also this really terrible part around 29:00 where he says that he isn't the end all be all authority on DMC
>encouraging others to make videos in such a tone that implies he is the end all be all of informative DMC videos

DUDE I SAW VERGIL AND NERO AND I CLAPPED

HE SAID THE THING
HE SAID THE THING

>1 entire hour of him sucking off DMC 5
Jesus christ, I loved the game but I hated how he glossed over the issues that the game had, he even called some of them good.

JACKPOT

>Well yes, i do prefer my games to have uninspired and generic anime art style, how could you tell?

Attached: gigavirgin.png (859x960, 216K)

>Matthewmatosis
>Kamiya puridt
Flock off featherface

Fuck off tameme

Why are you talking to yourself
Are you autustic?

Why don’t we say cuhrayzee anymore but instead say character action game?

is this some retarded falseflag?

>Action games must have photorealistic visuals to justify their existence
>he showed have visual styles that match the tone of the game
How did you guys miss the point this hard? I thought it was pretty clear that the point was accepting that these games have to be somewhat budget games is a lie we've been fed for too long. They aren't a niche genre with small appeal, but the industry have pushed them into being seen as such a thing.

Not that they need to be photo realistic, or that the style they had is bad. But the general quality of the graphics can be higher (which doesn't mean realistic). A similar comparison would be Guilty Gear Xrd/DBFZ proves that a fighter on a small budget can still look really good. And that all this bullshit saying fighters have a small appeal is wrong when we can see DBFZ's sales.

Why don't you make a video then? Upstage him.

Because it sounds less retarded

Both are retarded, just say action game. Everyone knows what you mean by it, only retards who pretend they're some upper echelon of gamers because of a unique genre term insist on CURAZUHY or character action or stylish action.

>biased fanboy spergs out for an hour and presents flimsy opinions as undisputable facts
Good thread, OP.

OLD GAME GOOD
NEW GAME NOT GOOD
REHASH BAD
REHASH GOOD IF ITS YAKUZA
NEW GAME NOT GOOD BECAUSE IT NOT DEVIL MAY CRY
SILENTS HILLS GOOD THAT CANCELLED
KINGDOM HEARTS 2 4 HOUR TUTORIAL ACTUALLY GOOD
BRUH CUHRAZY XD

The only good part of that video was the things-that-happened-while-waiting-for-sequel recap. And fuck this meme that a game has to look cutting-edge or it's somehow less of a good game. A game will only look as good as projected sales figures, that does not inform the quality of the game. In fact often wanting to sell more leads to streamlining and dumbing down.

They never had to be budget games. DMC series sold millions, Automata sold millions, KH sold millions. There's plenty of precedent for action games being AAA experiences (DMC 3+4 at the top of my head). The graphics aren't because of industry perception, they're because the only company that consistently makes these titles is Platinum, who are shitters.

It's just an action game with really good combat

he's such a fucking fanboy. he defended all the wost things about the game. I couldn't finish the video.
the disgusting visuals
>wow this game looks so next gen. like call of duty or the last of us. what? what is "art style"?
the bastardized devil breakers
>isn't it cool that shit that was supposed to be your moveset is now garbage disposable items with neutered combo potential because of itsunos autism?
Fuckign V
>he's so calm and collected & he reads poetry guys... POETRY. who cares that he sucks & has less depth than a fish bowl.

>devil breakers
If you mean devil triggers, I agree
They changed the Kaneko designs to Diablo-shit

>i shouldnt have to put things i dont know about or created in my video for me to be a pro

>procedes oo have a 5 minutes montage of that LIST OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE DMCV that was literaly made by Yea Forums

everyone please check out my video takedown of this schlock review just search THE PROBLEM WITH DEVIL MAY CRY V: AN UNBRIDLED RANT ON THE MOST DISAPPOINTING FOLLOW-UP OF ALL TIME

Yea Forums claims to hate the guy yet obsess themselves with him and watch his vids

2/3 of good combat anyway and a shit ton of other flaws and wasted potential.

after the KH3 video it's clear he has no critical thought anymore. these latest videos read like paid promotions.

It's a new game, therefore IS BAD

I don't know who that motherfucker is but I'm already tired of seeing that drawing in Yea Forums
fuck off nigger

wouldn't you guys rather be playing a game you love rather then complaining about an e-celeb's opinion on a game he loves on a message board? Maybe you wouldn't be so angry all the time if u did that

all the redesigns are awful and unnecessary.
the whole games graphics are just 2 out of 10 shit.
I would ironically prefer ps2 graphics than these ugly short characters & clusterfuck of ugly normal maps, brownish pallets & bad lighting & visibility,

More like
>It's not Spacechem, it sucks

It's just an action game video with really good points

Tranny fucker.

Most of the environments look the same

>looks like a real human.
this is a bad thing. DMC character have style. nu vergil is short with poorly fitting cosplay clothes & ugly as fuck.

>Assassins Creed is in the same genre as Bayonetta
This is how it comes off when people say "they're just action games lol". This is one of the few times I wish I had one of those brainlet wojak pics.

Attached: 1413910759592.gif (250x190, 1.99M)

>It's just an action game with really good combat
He was right tho

Attached: 1551747270352.jpg (544x960, 128K)

Assassisn creed is an open world game, retard. Only recently did they start becoming ARPGs. Do yourself a favor and look in the mirror the next time you want a brainlet wojak

>This faggot keeps popping up in my recommended feed
Youtube can't die fast enough.

Imagine seething so hard you don't understand how genres work at a fundamental level i.e. they're made up.

AC and other braindead games have action as part of their genre tags. I'll take a pic of you instead, should work just fine.

>DMC V looked amazi-

Attached: 1537966101323.jpg (1273x706, 93K)

>game has an open world
>so its genre is open world
Ah so DMC games are all RPGs yeah? They've got consumable items, level ups and skill trees.

He won't make a video about it and if he does, he will repeat the points he made about the game at the E3 2018 stream.
>I miss DMC1 dante
>Kamiya DMC is cooler
>Devil trigger song is cringe
>I don't like uncle Dante
>Nero is pointless
>I'm not a huge fan of DMC4 and since DMC5 is very similar to 4, I don't like it that much either

>>Nero is pointless
Oh wow he's literally just regurgitate the same protagonist for 20 years?

All of those are true though?

What is it with DMC-tubers having to force their tranny friends into their videos?

youtu.be/yw-ao2XKonw

He wants to suck James's STD micropenis.

You aren't allocating skillpoints for builds, smartass.It's like saying Sekiro is an ARPG because you can level up your posture and health. It's another action game, Dark Souls and Bloodborne are ARPGs.

All those points are correct

This. Parry the fuck out of everything. Still don't get why people hold it on the same level of DMC or NG.

>pitbulls in the intro
Into the oven you go

>BRUH RULES OF NATURE OMG SO FUCKING HYPE LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

honestly this, you niggers keep clogging the board with your shitty "video games" and "discussion" and "fun", we need more wojak and politics threads.

Attached: 1554987271646.jpg (640x764, 104K)

Attached: 1359237953521.jpg (815x1200, 162K)

I hated when he said Fuck you
But when Nero said Fuck you it was awesome

God Hand always kinda looked like shit and it was always great

I think vanquish looks great tbqh

>disgusting visuals
show me 1 (one) game that looks better than DMC5 and runs consistently at 60fps on consoles, ill wait
>bastardised breaker system
now i know youre a fucking retard, breakers being consumable and non interchangable is a way to balance them out so they wouldnt be overpowered and trivialize the game.

Attached: 1552863818273.jpg (588x437, 56K)

>missing the point entirely
Based retard

This. Graphics mean nothing next to gameplay, only normies and Zoomers give a shit about that

close but not quite correct user

Photorealisim is simply a trick to get normalfags to buy games because "muh graphix". Just look at capcom's recent games that use face scans like Monster Hunter World.

Why does Yea Forums seethe so hard at him correctly pointing out that DMC is the pinacle of the action genre and that no other game comes close to touching it?

It's an absolute fact

>show me one game that looks better
Anything is better than photorealism
Waste of effort modelling every pore and vein in the environment and ultra detailed monster leather when it all just blurs together and every character looks like an ugly american

>claim to be an old fan and expert of DMC when he was in a diaper for the majority of their releases
>sucks at the character action games he claims to be an expert at

at least based matt is decent at vidya

way to completely misconstrue his point just for (You)s

i think the game looks fantastic, your opinions arent universal so either post an example or you can fuck off you nigger

>Action games must have photorealistic visuals to justify their existence

Wrong

youtube.com/watch?v=ZGtFD_e5Xqs

Attached: transformers devestation.jpg (754x424, 87K)

Yeah but Nier Automata and MGR are just ugly ass games. Early ps3 tier visuals with brown and bloom everywhere. Barren environments with no detail or love (except for amusement park and maybe desert.) Flat lighting all over the place. Yuck

>he was in a diaper for the majority of their releases
Pretty much Yea Forums at this moment

DMC5 is visually exhausting, genuinely ugly in lots of areas and has a poorly fitting artsyle for the type of game it is (i.e. enemies tend to blend into the environment a lot).

I couldn't believe how he used footage from Qliphoth levels when he was discussing how he would "stop to take it all in", this was what exposed him as completely full of shit.

>enemies tend to blend into the environment a lot
That's an inherent problem with games going for realism and high fidelity. It's why games like these tend to have glowy weakspots and shit.

It looks beautiful, suck my dick.
DMC5 best looking action game of all time

How old is he even?

All of these YT analysts don't actually know what they're talking about (as does pretty much everyone on Yea Forums).
This is because they don't actually delve deep into videogame design studies, nor do they actually practice it themselves.

The only thing these YT serve to do is to raise topics people that actually know their shit might not have initially considered.

>if i vomit a bunch of words it must be true!

So they're in the same genre as Doom, Star Fox, Virtua Cop, Max Payne, Gradius and Metal Slug? Okay.

have sex

It's the single best looking game of all time
That's a fact

stay mad

>what is veitiful joe

Lots of games have crippled themselves by striving for photo realistic graphics (e.g. lower frame rates). That doesn't mean the games don't look good, it just means the high definition graphical style clashes with the gameplay. DMC games are almost pure gameplay games so this is a much bigger issue than it would be in a Sony walking simulator or a David Cage game or w/e.

It is a fact that DMC5 would have sold much, much, much less if it looked like DMC4

Ok

It's a fact that it would have sold more if it was a multiplayer lootbox fps too, who cares?

>MGR sucked
Did you make this thread specifically to embarrass yourself?

>DUDE IT'S VERGIL
>DUDE WHEN I SAW VERGIL I CLAPPED
>DUDE WHEN THE FINAL BOSS WAS A COPY PASTE OF VERGIL 3, I LITERALLY CAME

>I FUCKING CLAPPED AND CAME AND CLAPPED AT THE SCREEN SOME MORE

christ charlie, get some dignity

Attached: 1555652061602.png (929x1200, 385K)

>Bayonetta 2
>anime
Epic. Here's your (You).

Do you have any examples of deep dive video game analyses?

I'm not sure if you're familiar with devil may cry but a lot of the games (99%) take place in dark areas, cathedrals, ruins and gore / intestine hallways
only 4 has somewhat diverse locations and no one is gonna claim that game has good level design

>a lot of the games (99%) take place in dark areas
The first game did this without being monotonous. Each area of the castle has its own aesthetic and theme. And obviously the static camera helped paint memorable rooms.

>no one is gonna claim that game has good level design
I will. Because it does. Better than 5, at least, and it looked better too.

>The first game did this without being monotonous.
HAHAHAHA
It's all the goddamn same boring castle aesthetic till you get to wiggly hell.

>Lots of games have crippled themselves by striving for photo realistic graphics
you'd have a point except DMC5 runs literally better than 99% of the garbage out there. The black magicians kept the integrity of the gameplay, made it run on 60fps even on base fucking consoles and made it graphics heavy for casuals so that they sell more and keep the franchise alive.
It's literally the perfect scenario. stop bitching like a retard

>The black magicians kept the integrity of the gameplay,

no they didn't because enemies blend in to the environment

>Mission 11 screenshot
Every fucking time.

>the skybridge before phantom
>that weirdass underwater room with the skulls
>the crumbling rooftop where you fight Nelo
>the caves
>the literal actual ghost pirate ship
>the outdoor courtyard area
>the misty canyon with trees and shit
>the sewer dungeon thing
>all the same

nigga

>Do you have any examples of deep dive video game analyses?
You mean YT users? Your best bet are certain GDC videos, otherwise you should stick to books since they have the time to dive deep.
For example, this is a good GDC talk on level design.
youtube.com/watch?v=CpOoTAVeEcU

it's called the beat em up genre.

Every fucking DMC is top of the line graphics for their time and if 4 was released today it would look like 5. DMC1 looks like resident fucking evil and that series sure don't shoot for a over the top anime art style.
And 1 is a completely different game, stop using it as an example. And if you genuinely think 4 has good level design then you're clearly just trolling. Even Charlie offhandedly mentioned some awful aspect that 4 had.

>before the final boss Dante literally says "I don't really care"

HIGH STAKES EXCITING STORY

If i ever met the RLM boys I would thank them for making sure we're never allowed to bring back franchise staples or fan favorites again because their fans are mouth breathers without the ability to think critically

>its not le epic omg save teh world plot
downvoted

>>no one is gonna claim that game has good level design
>I will. Because it does.
Oh yeah, who could forget these absolutely fantastic design elements like the gyro-blades? Or the Faults? Or the dice mini-game (And before you start with that "You had problems with that? git gud xD" shit, it's not hard. At all. It's just that once you figure it out it's the most pointless and boring thing imaginable.)? Or the blatant re-usage of DMC1's (less than stellar) puzzles? (The forest one for example) Or the disappearing platforms in the forest? Or the fact that you have to go through the same fucking game and the bosses twice with hardly any changes in the enviroment?
>And it looked better too.
wew lad.

Attached: 1542086560543.jpg (338x636, 51K)

Sphere Hunter is cute though

I like just how hard Yea Forums tries to take literally every thing he says out of context. Why are you so tsundere for him?

Attached: 1540635403910.png (510x596, 467K)

I'll defend it forever but I am glad I'm not the only one who was seriously put off by DMC5's graphics and overall style. When I started the game it was just weird and it continued being weird until the end when I realized it's just an ugly looking fun game

The worst thing is that a game that looks like this always gets praised to high heaven and it will eventually just lead to the homogenization of video game graphics being this bland looking just for the sake of realism and its fucking shocking

i dont get what people's issues with the things you listed are specifically, like every other dmc doesnt have slightly annoying but not outright bad level design ideas, which is what they are.

>STOP ENJOYING VIDEOGAMES REEEEEEEEEEE I DON'T LIKE THIS SERIES THEREFORE YOU SHOULDN'T TOO REEEEEEEEE

don't worry im sure there are plenty of e-celeb, political and twitter screencap threads out there for you, i mean they make 95% of all the threads in this shithole nowadays

Attached: 1551458363738.png (450x350, 8K)

you are just blind. change the visual settings to fit your eyes retard.

Ninja gaiden

>1 is a completely different game
The last line of defense for fanboys.
>i-it's totally a different game, that means you can't find flaws in the new ones!!

>Even Charlie offhandedly mentioned some awful aspect that 4 had
He mentioned them for two seconds without having any reason why they were bad, because he doesn't have one other than that he's a sperg who never wants to be challenged on any level besides straight combat encounters.

The final boss is literally Vergil 3 copy pasted with a couple of new moves. You'd have to be braindead to think it wasn't the epitome of worthless fanservice designed for the clapping audience.

>level has gimmicks to make it stand out
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW THIS IS SO AWFUL
What the fuck is the problem with having a combat challenge where you have to do something other than just slapping the enemies around?
Why is being able to avoid an environmental hazard while fighting some kind of horrible thing to you people?

>one good game
>everything after was consecutively worse
>dead in the water now
yeah no. I like NGB but DMC shits on it as a franchise.

imagine being such a mouthbreather that he didn't want to fight Vergil again but with 5's gameplay mechanics and modern visuals.

The destroyed city areas look great, and the stratosphere Qliphoth is nice but the majority of the game is spent in asset copypasted gore hell and it's boring as shit to look at

Attached: 432945667.jpg (348x235, 22K)

>Pro face scanning

Get his ass the fuck outta here

I already fought Vergil. A total of six times, actually, if you wanna count it that way. I would like to fight new things. Maybe a new final boss that could be cooler than Vergil 3, if Itsuno got off his laurels and stopped recycling shit. Hell, he could even leave Vergil 3 in there as some kind of secret optional boss or maybe in the bloody palace or something. But it's worthless to retread the same shit again with a new coat of paint unless you're literally a screen clapper.

Fuck off.

Attached: 1553141699924.png (415x541, 456K)

Bayonetta 2, MGR, Vanquish, and especially W101 all look good to amazing. Bayonetta 1 as well but it's harmed by the washed out visuals and color palette.

Well then I'll just say 1 is a shitty game because it only has 1 playable character and fewer enemies than 5 has in a single mission. Not to mention how many times they reuse bosses instead of providing new and interesting ones.
In that sense 5 would clearly be the overall greater game don't you think?
Unless you forgot, Vergil isn't in 4 which means he hasn't been a boss since 3 which is a long fucking time ago and the game has evolved significantly since then. Its a perfect fit and if they redid him there would be a shitload more bitching overall than one fringe Yea Forums contrarian meming about how Vergil is a bad DMC boss

They looked great in action while playing it.

You see, the thing is that these sort of gimmicks in previous games in the series only lasted few minutes. Like the underwater segments in DMC1. People love to complain about them, but you can beat them in less than a minute, even if you don't really know what to do. DMC3 had the platforming with the blocks that is fucking atrocious (especially with Vergil) but it's only one room.

In DMC4, (aside from the dice mini-game) these gimmicks often take up the entire missions, as seen with the god awful M13, the one with the red portals. Or M14, where Faults constantly appear to annoy the fuck out of you. Admittedly, the campaign isn't completely filled with these gimmicks, thank god. But the general level design itself is still lackluster in comparison to previous games, especially DMC1. There's no "return to the castle" moment, where it's night time and the enviroment slowly changes into a demonic hellscape. No, it's the same old lab, forest, castle and city, in that order.

I prefer the level design of DMC5 to this, since at least every area/mission, as samey as they look sometimes, are different. If they were going to do the semi-connected world stuff that the previous games did but then completely half ass it, then what's the point? (Yes, I know is unfinished, but that's just how it is.) DMC3 kinda has the same issue, but at least it's just the last third instead of the entire second half of the game.

Too bad these gimmicks aren't fun or engaging at all. I'd rather have DMC1's frankly easy but charming puzzles as opposed to the shit DMC4 has to offer. Hell, with DMC5's less stiff jumping mechanics, I wouldn't even mind some more platforming spliced inbetween levels.

Attached: 1486547165658.gif (300x262, 1.84M)

Ugh that fucking song every fucking single boss fight fml

I do think the photorealsitic visuals helped sell it to the general crowd, but I wish it was more anime.

dmc5 looks like shit.

Attached: 1550043690879.gif (645x773, 1.15M)

Look at this fucking poser nigger. Rules of natures plays only against one boss you fucker.

It actually plays in two boss fights.

it's the same boss. You just fight him twice

don't avatarfag, faggot

>I finally found what IIIIII WAS LOOOOOOOKING FOOR

NONONONOOOOOO

It's precisely why V looks like shit I won't touch it ever. Looks like a generic western triple A game

DMC5's visuals are great it only needed more colors is all
Level design should've been interconnected like previous games, but that might've been a hassle with the cameo system and all
Also there should've been a chase segment like previous games (Phantom, infested chopper, Gigapede, Echidna), And a timed mission
And Dante's DT should resemble Keneko's just like how Vergil's does in the concept art

Attached: dmc-5-secret-mission-1-2.jpg (2000x1069, 429K)

good post, devastation was an awesome treat.

You also don't know what you are talking about

Its intentional though, so its ok

And it still looks like shit

I don't get it

Whenever someone with opinions get popular, people get angry when they don't share their opinions and feel like their braindead audience will adopt their opinions unquestioningly, thus increasing the amount of people in the world that don't share their opinion. That's where the name influencer comes from. In truth, most popular youtubers are just opinion spouters that won't really change much in the end of the day and you shouldn't waste your time with them.

Open world is a setting, not a genre

Seven times if you include DmC

OH NO NO NO NO DMCBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

4 dante > 5
We already had uncle Dante, we don't need some dirty yellow teeth 5'9 hobo