Video games aren't a hobby, you're just a consumer siphoning hours weeks and years off your life...

Ok Varg

What's your hobby?

>you're just a consumer siphoning hours weeks and years off your life.
Social media is no different

Except that no one ever reads 12 hours a day and neglects their health, relationships, lives to read.

reading can also educational, while putting spells on monsters in Kalimdoor isn't.

Agreed.

Maybe so, but it's not my only argument against calling gaming a hobby

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>hobbys are a waste of time

you don't say?

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If I didn't have videogames I'd be wasting my life doing something else. There was a period a few years back where I barely played videogames, and I just spent the time watching anime instead.
My working life sucks anyway, I don't really like other people, and I have a weird fetish that precludes most if not all sexual/romantic relationships. So whatever.

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Cool man, sounds like you have a hobby. I bet you also don't play video games 40hrs/week because if you did you wouldn't have time to do that other shit you said.

music production, guitar, cryptocurrency, seeing as many waterfalls in NA as I can, guns

I don't know if social media is a great equivalency, but there are a ton of similar aspects in my OP, so I agree. I'm anti-social media too. (i use only snapchat, which is arguably a messaging application as opposed to social media)

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What exactly isn't wasting your time/life? Why is the time you usr enjoying something or having fun considered wasted?

Gaming can be educational. I've learned English thanks to Fallout 1 and 2, learned a lot about history (mainly about the roman empire and genghis khan) thanks to Civilization, improved my reflexes thanks to old arena shooters like UT and Quake, and learned a bit about finances thanks to Roller Coaster Tycoon. And anything that is done for 12+ hours a day is detrimental to your health. Now fuck off, OP.

I don't play nearly enough as I did in high school, no. However I do play frequently enough to get my "fix" of sorts and I still hang out with my friends on weekends when we bring our computers to one of our homes.

My biggest regret in life is wasting so much time playing video games as a kid,teen and 20s instead of socialising.

>What exactly isn't wasting your time/life?
I'm glad you asked.

This is where the subjectivity of philosophical outlooks on life is going to result in a never ending discussion, but I believe their to be objectively betters ways to spend time than others.

For example very few would argue that spending time with the dog and kids is the same as spending it in solitary confinement at a maximum security prison.

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You are a sad person. Bet you came from /pol/ too

True, which is why instead of playing videogames I just browse Yea Forums for 12 hours everyday, a much better use of my time I'd say.

>Gaming can be educational.
Of course it can, and it can also improve things like hand eye coordination. I'm not saying there's benefits, it's just not a hobby when you're simply consuming media.
>now fuck off, OP
nah i'm good faggot

>consumer
Addicted is the correct term.

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Isn't that most of Yea Forums since it's just /pol/2.0 nowadays?

But I bet Yea Forums accosts you for being "casual". desu being a casual gamer is the only way this "hobby" is justifiable.

>You are a sad person
Why? Because I aspire to do something more than idle in front of blue light for 12 hours like an insect?
>I just browse Yea Forums for 12 hours everyday, a much better use of my time I'd say.
I'm guessing you're sarcastic but I actually non-ironically agree

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So what we’ve learned so far is that op is mad faggots on twitch can make a living playing video games but he can’t playing his guitar

Don't care. I'm 28 and done my hardest to try to make goals and a self-fulfilling life. Realized I am a talentless hack with a learning disorder. I've given up and live with my parents. So now I waste all my time playing computer games and making online friends. Waiting for a bad car accident or getting cancer to take my life away. No shame. I've accepted my fate.

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not a consumer, just an addict.

video games are very similar to alcohol

This is something basically no one can answer because it's incredibly subjective. If someone paints or plays an instrument makes no monetary gain off of it, is it a waste of time? What constitutes "wastes" of time? What is "productive" time? At what point does personal enjoyment factor into "wastes" of time?

Gamers are self-obsessed, incompetent, megalomanic people who, due to their inability to realize their freakish fantasies, resort to the alternate reality provided by various mind-numbing, pocket-emptying, IQ-draining, and insignificant games as an attempt to fulfill the need of their bloated egos and to mask the pimples, freckles, and pock-marks which crater their pale, sunlight-deprived faces, resulting to the non-existence of their social lives.

Video games are used by people with no girlfriend, job, or life as a substitute for their lame IRL. Games are a way to get girls and parents to stop bothering you with pesky human contact, while losing brain cells and gaining weight. Girlz that play video games are not interested in boys. Video games are a good way to distract losers from the fact that they will never get laid. Not by a human anyway.

Competitive gaming can be a hobby as you’re typically not paying extra money past the initial investment. It builds relationships and fosters healthy competition between strangers.

Best hobby is gunpla modeling though.

Says a lot more about you than anyone else that you come to a video game forum to try and gloat a false sense of superiority against a group of people you seemingly hate.

You may be a psychopath my man.

Protip: eventually you will die and all the things you did or didn't do will be ultimately meaningless and forgotten. Who gives a fuck whether it's a 'real' hobby or not.

You sound like a fag

>reading can also educational, while putting spells on monsters in Kalimdoor isn't.

>implying video games can't be educational

Not like there's an entire genre of educational games or anything--OH WAIT, THERE IS.

>What exactly isn't wasting your time/life?

Working to pay for Mr. Shekelberghooknosemoneygrabbersixmilliongoldstein's seventeenth solid gold yacht. He has to keep buying new ones, they won't stop sinking for some reason.

>For example very few would argue that spending time with the dog and kids is the same as spending it in solitary confinement at a maximum security prison.
Don Quixote was written in a prison specifically because the author was removed from distractions like this. Most of history's greatest achievers walked alone. The mind is the final frontier, everything else is a distraction. Someone might be happier if they follow your advice, but happiness is just a carrot on a stick for lower lifeforms, and lasting happiness is ultimately unobtainable.

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Fuck man, this hurts reading this. A lot of normal people IRL view gamers this way. As a person with a lot of mental illness this just really crushes my self-esteem even hard. We all have our own reasons of escapism. Not saying this is ok but this is the way life is. Once a normal person sees any kind of weakness you'll see people who will treat you differently. I don't believe people want anything good to happen to our fellow human beings. If they notice you're worthless they take a humongous shit all over you. This is just how humans work. They don't give a fuck about your well-being. If I even see people trying to do "good" in the world it's all about getting clout and looking good to other ass kissers.

I am sad now.

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Tell that to Einstein, Steven Hawking and Neil the Grass Tyson dunkass

if you actually learn from it, its not a waste. the problem today is, brainlets dont want to learn. so they make easy to play games now which are considered a hobby instead of an opportunity to learn something.

im not saying by playing games you’ll become a genius or something but if you use them to hone problem solving and thought process you can sharpen your overall intelligence.

however much you put in, is what you get out and the sad truth is that the market is saturated with casuals who don’t want to put any effort in and mindlessly buy games.

lol u say u don’t give a fuck but u talk all this shit. Honestly its about havin a good ass time. ppl drink smoke dip waste money on strip clubs. but y’know why they do it. cuz it’s a gud ass time.

>lol u say u don’t give a fuck but u talk all this shit. Honestly its about havin a good ass time. ppl drink smoke dip waste money on strip clubs. but y’know why they do it. cuz it’s a gud ass time.

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Your post is completely correct apart from where you said that building a PC isn't consuming. You're buying expensive computer parts you don't need from a bunch of big companies. If that isn't consuming then I don't know what is.

Imagine being this triggered by reality.

Reading is educational, and also very few people get addicted to reading such that they neglect their social lives, personal hygiene, etc.

No, you go from being a sucker to an even bigger sucker.

That's the complete opposite of the truth, but sure, keep lying to yourself and festering away in your gaming "den" instead of living a successful life.

The best things in life would be getting exercise, eating fresh and nutritious food, having friends, having a girlfriend, having sex, etc., and all of these things are good for you.

Things that are bad for you, like smoking, drinking too much, doing very damaging drugs like heroin, leading a sedentary lifestyle where you are glued to a TV or computer monitor - these things are objectively bad for your health and well-being.

>excuses, excuses, excuses
Never going to make it.

What's your point? Two of those smart accomplished men still ended up dead, one day the third will too. Maybe they won't be forgotten in our life time, but certainly one, if only for the fact one day everyone will be gone.

My point is it doesn't matter, do whatever the fuck you want.

Watching TV for 12 hours a day isn't a hobby either and by your logic building a model train set is only half of a hobby because it does nothing for your health. Thus it is objectively a inferior hobby to sports despite being considered a perfectly valid hobby by everyone.

>B-but train enthusiast don't spend 28 hours on their hobby!
Assuming someone spends a absurd amount of time doing their hobby just because they have it doesn't make you right.

Nihilism is real.

This is true.

You couldn't be any more butthurt at the truth. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I think there are some people in the world who do genuinely do good things. People who volunteer for charities, for instance. They are probably quite rare, though. Most people are focused just on themselves. But especially when people have something bad or tragic happen to them or their family, that can often motivate them into wanting to do good for other people. This is not the only thing that would ever motivate someone to do things for other people, of course, but sometimes it is the case.

I play video games a lot but I don't consider them to be a hobby. The other guy is right too, reading is not a hobby. Nor is hiking.
The only acceptable hobbies that can be called hobbies are ones that involve creating something. Knitting, writing, and acting can be hobbies.

>caring about pop """""""""""""""science"""""""""""""""

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90% of first worlders binge watch TV, eat like shit, and drink alcohol and or smoke with no exercise. You're the one oblivious to reality. I bet you're guilty of doing all the things you pretend to criticise online. Sad little man.

this
>Competitive gaming can be a hobby
then it would be called a "profession", not a hobby

Do you know what history is?

say that to my face IRL not online fucker see what happens bet you can't even jog because ur knees hurt

>implying video games can't be educational
I never came close to implying that. Pic related, weeb. Sure do see a lot of educational going on here! Screenshot from 2 minutes ago.

Cool, thanks for posting. I'll think about this.

Turn your life around. If you view yourself as weak, others will too. Defeat your mental illnesses, challenge yourself. Become a better person, you can do it and I believe that you can live a much happier life. It won't be easy, but nothing that is worth doing usually is.

true

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>I'm guessing you're sarcastic
I'm not, I actually haven't played any videogames in more than a month. I am being sarcastic about the "better use of my time" thing though, I don't see how this is any better than playing videogames, atleast when I used to play videogames I had fun.

>despite being considered a perfectly valid hobby by everyone
I think a lot of adults would see model trains as a hobby for losers. I'm not saying I would be that judgemental, but lots of people in the world are. And similarly with video games. Lots of people in the world are going to think you're a loser. And, objectively, you probably are, unless you're able to make a successful career out it, like if you're Ninja or something. Otherwise you're just wasting your time in a virtual world when you could be doing productive things in the real world. You're using it as escapism to avoid the obstacles in reality. Chickening out from the real world.

acting is prostitution and should be illegal

What's your hobby then, faggot? Whittling or some shit? Get out of here.

>Your post is completely correct apart from where you said that building a PC isn't consuming. You're buying expensive computer parts you don't need from a bunch of big companies. If that isn't consuming then I don't know what is.
hi, OP here.

Maybe. Let's say your hobby is retrofitting classic cars with modern computer hardware. Is that still consuming? Is that not a hobby?

>read a book
>"FUCK YOU media consumption isn't a hobby you're ruining your health just admit you're a fucking consumer not a hobbiest"

okay so by that logic
>movies
>books
>literally any form of media
these are all worthless and have a negative effect on your health

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I remember thinking I was deep at 15 too.

Wanna know how i know you came straight from leddit?

I see your basing all your criticisms on stereotypes. I hate to sound like a faggot but if everything you had against video games is based on biased stereotypes then you're a retard.

Nice straw man. Now try attacking his points

I think video games are like most activities in that they can fall into the pastime/hobby or addiction category. Moderation is key as the saying is so commonly said and used, but it's fucking true. The rate at which I've played games in my life, and currently still do, I could almost be considered an addict. But I've managed to maintain a great social life, fitness regimen, and career in the military. Video games have been a means of escapism and relief from day to day stress, and has done so effectively, and I'm genuinely grateful for that. I'm sure alot of other people are to. But it's also caused me to become more sedentary on occasion which means I do miss out on PT time (when it's not mandatory). So again, my moderation falls out of control, I look for escape into a reality where I have more fun/control, and it's difficulty to leave to the real world which is comparatively really fucking boring and dull.

I mean when you read about our ancestors raiding and killing, exploring, adventuring, and even the hum drum of daily life had dangers and challenges things were far more engaging back then. Forgive me for the rant because I'm hungover as piss and fuled by a gallon of coffee so ignore this if you want but anyway I think man craves constant mental or physical stimulation and challenge, and we lack alot of that in the modern age, and video games provide a window into a place where we can feel accomplished and challenged on a constant basis, and I think THAT aspect of gaming is what's addicting. It's a symptom of our age. Gaming isn't terrible in itself but it's a good indicator of where we stand right now. People are bored and understimulated, we need challenges and hobbies and interests, video games check off all those boxes and do a good job of it.

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You're not wrong, but the world is structured in such a way that nobody's achievements or efforts matter anymore, even though it's incredibly fucking important for mental well-being. Video games make me feel like I've made some impact in their world, and even though the feeling is fleeting at least I feel the love that mankind should be offering it's kin.

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>Imagen being so unlikeable that the people in your friendslist don’t want to meet you irl

>by your logic building a model train set is only half of a hobby because it does nothing for your health.
My tenant would be that hobbies don't have a negative effect, not a positive one.

>Assuming someone spends a absurd amount of time doing their hobby just because they have it doesn't make you right.
Sort of. I'm addressing addicts or anyone playing 20+hours/week that isn't a child

I don't disagree. I used to read books, draw, code, cook, etc when I was younger. Now I mostly just sit around playing games for hours. It's cheap dopamine and I am too weak to fight it

And what does it matter for them? They're dead. They can't care less about it. They lived their lives as they wanted to, and that's the main lesson to be learned: do whatever you want. If you're having a legit fun time with gaming and you're not being overwhelmed with guilt or remorse, who gives a shit, just play your way until your death.

Insightful, thanks for the post bro

We are not made for modern life at all, it goes against our nature. That's why depression is at an all time high, and why it seems like the more developed a country is, the higher the rate of depression.

>muh classic cars
kek, typical

you're a gymcel too aren't you

Really says something about our society...

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As we listen, across the fetid moor sounds the shrill imperious squeal of the minnow in a mudpuddle. His attempts at grandstanding are completely without irony, as the little fish is concerned entirely with ruling his miniature domain. However in his concern to look down it seems the little minnow has forgotten too look up. He is deposed rather unceremoniously by a passing shithawk.

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>What exactly isn't wasting your time/life?
Nothing.
OP should honestly kill himself to get to the endless void quicker since everything is pointless and everything is a waste of time.

>You have to be able to make a career out of your hobby for it to count!
Except I don't? If I enjoy doing it and have a good paying job who gives a shit what I do with my time as long as its not a crime? How does doing something i enjoy suddenly make me a loser? Because you'll assume I spend a unhealthy amount of time doing it? Fuck you its my spare time and I'll do what I want with it.

You keep assuming stereotypes about people who have a hobby simply because they have it, thinking they'll automatically spend unhealthy amounts of time on it and that they're cowards simply because that's the stereotype.

Deeper than the fucking Mariana trench

You should have made that more clear in the op then.

eat shit hypocrite

>it's not a hobby because i say it is

You have any sources that aren't your ass.

lmao

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Does this thread boils down in what I do is better than what you do?

>muh classic cars
yeah no shit ask 100 people what the first hobby for a man they think of is
>you're a gymcel too aren't you
Nope im a weak skinny faggot that finds going to the gym to be admirable, but vain

it's certainly better than muh vidya

>s-s-s-strawman

I'd give you a failing grade if you used that in my debate class.

Why are you explaining yourself to Mr faggoty mc faggot?

why are you here?

>replying to a shitty Yea Forums troll thread
Is Yea Forums truly the easiest-trolled board? I feel /pol/ is pretty high up there too but Yea Forums will latch on to any bait they see.

Agreed, as far as technology, health, and safety is concerned we're at the best time in history. But humanity will always crave something that challenges these ideas, we need dangers to face, or challenges to overcome. Again I'm just ranting but I think the next big thing that could revive our population is the space and race and exploration of new planets, it would be mirroring what our ancestors achieved in discovering and exploring new lands, and it evolves economics, politics, technology, everything. We need to send off the next generations into fucking space pods to outposts on mars. It's hard to be an incel on a small population where breeding would be essential to colony growth. It's hard to turn to a video game when a few feet away an outpost is being built that is essential to your very survival.

>DUDE WE'RE LIVING IN A SOCIETY OF SHEEP LMAO

god back to worshiping your sky daddy user

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>My tenant would be that hobbies don't have a negative effect, not a positive one.
Then any hobby is bad because anything done for absurd amounts of time can hurt your health. Not everyone who plays a game is suddenly some extreme addict. Your op made it seem like you are making a sweeping statement about everyone who plays vidya.

You are going to die one day. Everything that occurs within this mortal realm is entirely futile. The only thing that matters upon this earth is the avoidance of pain and suffering, and the promotion of love and goodness. Sure, spending your entire life playing video games might seem like a waste, but that doesn't mean video games are inherently bad. They can, in fact, be used to promote love and goodness among you, your family snd your peers. Some games, like online shooters, are not going to create this kind of atmosphere; but that doesn't mean there isn't something wholesome about ordering pizza, playing mario kart and laughing with your friends. Those are some of the best memories you'll ever have. While I personally don't even play that many games, I don't blame anyone who does. Is it more rational to spend years of your life working for some dick in an office just so he can have a nice car before you die?

Promote love, peace, unity, and do whatever the fuck you want that does enroach upon these values. In the end, nothing else matters.

Unabomber pls go

from the op:
>the results are intangible and have a negative effect on your health
i specifically say "a negative effect on your health" and never mention a hobby requiring a positive effect on health to occur (though it would be likely). You just assumed.

>gaming 12 hours a day
negative
>reading 8 hours a day
neutral
>swimming 1 hour a day
positive

>reading can also educational
it doesn't seem to have helped you.

babby's first troll
lol 2/10 made me reply keep trying tho mate

kys faggot, at least with games you the player have agency and have to think / problem solve unlike passive activities such as movies, TV, novels etc. Vidya is infinitely more stimulating.

Why is there so much Christcuck shitposting on Yea Forums these days? Did these fags think the fedora meme meant they'd be welcomed here and that we secretly liked them?

>It's something to remember, like a novel or film
>It's an experience to share with your friends
>It stimulates your brain. (Some games more than others)

>snd

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Agreed. It's shite.

Would you consider games like Shadow run a hobby? Or pathfinder?

fuckin pressed enter before I could say
>lol jk I agree with you

>Again I'm just ranting but I think the next big thing that could revive our population is the space and race and exploration of new planets,

We will never get off this rock. The best case scenario is all the rich and powerful people take off to colonize a new planet and leave the rest of us to rot on the desolate, resource-depleted dirtball they leave behind. Then they'll finally have what they wanted all along; the universe, all to themselves, forever and ever.

agnostic at best, since you're curious.
do you honestly think the majority of the people here are playing games < 20 hrs/week? You think the board that makes fun of casual gamers endlessly - are actually casuals? idk, maybe but I doubt it

> Everything that occurs within this mortal realm is entirely futile.
What is history? What is family?
>The only thing that matters upon this earth is the avoidance of pain and suffering, and the promotion of love and goodness
I don't have a problem with this unless you use it to justify hedonism.
>but that doesn't mean there isn't something wholesome about ordering pizza, playing mario kart and laughing with your friends
agreed, this is a great use of video games

Other than the nihilistic "nothing matters" shit, I generally agree. great post/10 thanks for swinging by

Playing games taught me cognitive and problem solving skills. Also, now I'm game deving and learning music, art, storytelling, and coding. When you think about it solo indie devs are some of the most well rounded individuals on earth.

Whatever, faggot. Go be fleshbag somewhere else.

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t. Game of Thrones fan

you solo indie-devs are totally insane
hire someone else to talk to so you don't go more insane please or start a discord and invite weirdos
to shoot the shit with

I had to google both of those. Can you explain further? Seems like Shadow Run is a lot of things, including a tabletop game. Pathfinder is an RPG?

I don't think the type of game or specific games are really going to change my views, but I'm open to where you're going w/ this

"Consuming" would mean we play every single little fuckgame there is, which we don' t.

We talk, we share experience, we trade - those characteristics are all very anti-consumer and pro-hobby.

So, you know the drill: Fuck off, discord tranny.

Being a hardcorefag just means you want a difficult game that has a learning curve. It doesn't mean you suddenly spend days on the hobby. Its still possible to have a decent job and do other shit with your spare time. People can schedule and set aside time for Blood borne without being a addict that plays for ten hours.

Is your argument really that it's not a hobby because the equipment is sold to you and that makes you a consumer? Fuck, man. I know Yea Forums is full of retarded teenagers but this is beyond stupid.

I like Rocksmith

> now I'm game deving and learning music, art, storytelling, and coding.

Sounds like some great hobbies, man. It's cool that video games led you to other places instead of simple consumption.

Playing games to 100% completion and putting the save files for others online to use and play with is a hobby because the 100% save file would be tangible. If this is untrue, then most people who work an office job don't have a job, since their work is intangible.

>"Consuming" would mean
nope, that's not what it means. playing WoW for 12 hours/day is still consuming

>We talk, we share experience, we trade
Who the fuck is we? What community are you referring to? Because it's not this board and it's not gamers

>Fuck off, discord tranny.
i don't get this meme

>i don't give a fuck what you do, but i want you to admit that i'm correct because i crave it

I've never understood this logic. Who the fuck plays video games to as a way to live out fantasies lmao. I just like watching goblins and aliens get smashed, and little flashing lights and numbers make me stim. Sounds like you've got some projecting going on liddle nigguh.

What if someone plays virtual chess?

Well you can make the argument that tabletop games aren't hobbies because the effects aren't tangible, most people who play them want escapism, and a heavy stereotype is that tabletop fans waste their life playing fantasy games. Allot of these mirror your arguments with games.

Hell while your listening, how are online friends more valid than ones you can physically interact with? What makes one type of social activity better than the other if you enjoy spending time with them?