This game is hot garbage and its fanbase consist of casual shitters rejects who got filtered out of PoE, aka the real ARPG. You can get as asshurt as you want about this and you can come here and kick and scream all you want about what I've said, those are straight up the facts.
There's not a shred of difficulty in PoE. I played this shit years ago and breezed through the game with a hardcore character using a retaliation build I myself made up and I could literally sit in front of bosses, open up my browser and start replying to people on Yea Forums with the game running in the background knowing I'd be completely safe.
The expansions are garbage. First one gave us what? 2 trash character classes (ooo a fucking NECROMANCER, not like thats been done a million times already) and some new zone which was hotfix nerfed the day it was released because the Grim Dawn community is filled with the most pathetic casuals ever to exist. Literal sweeping nerfs to all of the enemies because 5 minutes in people got caught off guard and died and rather than adapting and figuring out that you need to be more careful they went straight to the forums and cried to the mods to nerf shit and THEN THEY FUCKING DID LMAO. So now the content from this update is concidered an absolute joke and a walk in the park, aka it's irrelevant content.
Fastforward to now, we've got another expansion. What did it add? 1 new class, lmao and another shitty zone which wasn't even hard enough to nerf. In fact it was a fucking joke of a zone.
Diablo II has not aged well in terms of graphics. Tried playing it the other day and just couldn't get into it.
Nathan Morris
*GD Friendly reminder that a typo doesn't change the truth Old and busted. Diablo 2 is a solved game and as such it's irrelevant.
Justin Cooper
>Tried playing it the other day and just couldn't get into it. >Old and busted. zoom
Ryder Roberts
>PoE is hard the reason majority of PoE content is gated behind RNG is to provide the illusion of difficulty.
Blake Gutierrez
I think the best implementation of this genre (for me) would be a game where the gameplay all throughout was similar to PoE's best boss battles. And the gameplay was tightened up to where even a low geared character could potentially clear all content.
Zachary Ross
Part of the problem w GD for me is that there's just too many damage types. ARPGs need to simplify & get rid of it's lootbox mentality. I'm tired of games where you can't use Weapon X if you're class Y and can't use this other weapon because you don't have the strength or this armor gives you 30% slime protection but not poison protection and...
Enough.
Oh, and why do ARPGs give you the smallest inventory space in the history of gaming? "Hi. We're a lootbox generator but you can only keep less than 0.0000000001% of the crap we give to you. Enjoy!"
Seriously, give me one axe and then give me the ability to modify it endlessly.
Also, enough with the active skills. I'm playing an ARPG not a flight simulator. I always pick the classes in an ARPG that have the most passive skills and/or the skills where you have to activate once.
Isaiah Anderson
I'm so fucking sick of WoW boss battles in my mindless grindan sims
Robert Gray
I was surprised how bad it wash considering it was the second coming of Satan when it came out.
Xavier Murphy
Imagine playing both games. PoE is literally dead in the water outside the first 2-3 weeks of every season, especially on Hardcore.
both are shit diablo 1 is the only good arpg that ever existed
Josiah Price
When can we get any ARPG that doesn't look like complete shit and isn't built on a decade old engine?
Jaxson Gray
I like Diablo 3.
Carson Hernandez
>PoE, aka the real ARPG >There's not a shred of difficulty in PoE Imagine shitposting so hard you fling shit at yourself
Jayden Powell
>PoE has a chance to overtake the market after the Diablo Immortal thing >Releases multiple shit leagues in a row
top zozzle
Jason Ramirez
PoE must be the most toaster-unfriendly game for what it is. The load times and stuttering are too much. I could run Sekiro on mostly high settings but not PoE.
Lincoln Carter
>Gets shit on by a spike in difficulty because he got too complacent and comfortable >Blames it on RNG Spikes in difficulty are necessary for these types of game to flourish and to stop them from becoming dull and boring fast because these games at their very core ask you to do very dull and boring tasks. That's the reality of it. The difficulty is what keeps things exciting, it's what keeps you on your toes. Grim Dawn is just a steady straight line. I notice no difficulty jump from normal (veteran) to elite difficulty and then the jump from elite to ultimate is miniscule and only really apparent for the start of the game until you get a few drops to even things out again at which point it becomes a straight line once again.
PoE on the other hand is constantly spiking, its bosses put Grim Dawns to shame, its regular enemies put Grim Dawns to shame. Everything in PoE is meant to directly effect difficulty and its enemies all behave differently and are dangerous in their own unique ways, some being piss easy for certain builds, others being dangerous as fuck to other builds.
All Grim Dawn enemies behave the same way and they're all the same static difficulty. There's no enemies in Grim Dawn that are more dangerous to a caster for example than they are to a melee character.
I played this back when it was called titan quest and actually good.
Cooper Morales
>There's no enemies in Grim Dawn that are more dangerous to a caster for example than they are to a melee character And that's where you prove you haven't played the game past act 1 normal
Jack Russell
I agree. I played before any expansion came out, did it really not get any more difficult with the new expansions? What the fuck is the point of them then?
Asher Hernandez
Bought the game cause i like Titan Quest. Fell asleep after 2 hours.
John Hall
It's already overtaken the market to what extent it can. Everyone into ARPGs knows PoE. It's just not for everyone.
I've never been able to get that into PoE either. Every league I go ham for 2-3 weeks and quit when I get my HH. There's just nothing to do after that and there's not much they can do to fix that problem. The one thing D2 really has had going for it over other games all this time has been the PvP, as unbalanced as it was. It gave you a reason to keep minmaxing your gear as long as you could.
I don't get who you're trying to start shit with here. People who are into ARPGs but who also aren't like 15 aren't so opinionated about the games that they wouldn't manage to enjoy all of them. If you're so busy sucking Chris' kiwicock that you haven't enjoyed D1-3, Grim Dawn, Titan Quest etc. AND PoE, you're just missing out and I feel bad for you.
This is only true if you are playing a shit build or untwinked gimmick build. You can kill shaper and farm red maps on a 4link in ssf with an appropriately broken skill.
Ryan Stewart
>PoE is difficult lol unless I'm playing melee nothing in PoE is difficult.
Wyatt Johnson
Replace enjoyed with tried. Can't expect everyone to like all of them but there's no reason to give them a shot. And if you don't like them, so what? They're hardly competing with each other because the online of the entire genre revolves around seasons which tend to start at different times. You can full well commit to playing D3, D2 AND PoE every now and then.
GD on the other hand is a fucking single player game that doesn't even matter in terms of online player count. Tons of PoE streamers are playing it atm while waiting for the next league because Synthesis was fucking shit.
Thomas Brown
Grim Dawn is a great game lol, what are you even smoking. Path of Exile is a good game too, but always online gameplay blows. Grim dawn you can play anytime, servers are never down. You don't even need an internet connection, can play this game on a laptop in a car if you want. There aren't half as many balance adjustments as in always online games like PoE, meaning your favorite class isn't nerfed / gimped into the ground.
Julian Wood
And that's where you reveal you're an asshurt tranny who failed to read the OP where I stated that the first character I ever made was a HC retaliation build Soldier/Demo who I beat breezed through the game with.
Which enemies are more dangerous to mages than to warriors. Let's hear it because my character I made right after that retaliation one was a Bloody Pox character who breezed through the game and no enemy was any more or less threatening on this char than my melee char.
Angel Nelson
PoE is the same every season. Pick screen clearing fotm skill and whatever ascendancy is buffed, faceroll till your tabula can take you no further, then spend hours trading with bots and ukranian teenagers for 1% upgrades.
Hunter Wood
Couldn't be any further from the truth. If PoE wasn't difficult then the people who run leagues every single time they come up wouldn't constantly have times where they get shit on and die, sometimes relatively early on, and these are the same people that have consistently been in the top 100 for most leagues.
Samuel Evans
>Which enemies are more dangerous to mages than to warriors
Uhhh pretty much every boss that shoots aoe's out with those convenient gaps too dodge between, I mean if you know the tells it's possible too dodge a lot of them on a melee character but it's damn easier too do it at range.
Jace Price
>who breezed through the game and no enemy was any more or less threatening on this char than my melee char So like, normal/veteran? Have you bothered to play to ultimate? Because any limp dicked ass backwards build is able to clear the first difficulty tier and it would take a particularly astounding ammount of incompetence to fail there. It's fine to not like a game, but like points out, I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish
>tranny So you're projecting, okay
Jordan White
So instead of shitflinging lets talk about some good ARPGs. Anybody know any decent games with heavy ability usage like Torchlight?
Go play and beat: Nox, Sacred 1 and 2, then come back and tell us how you feel about the quality of modern arpgs.
Adam Ross
>always online vs not always online Hard pick there.
Carson Evans
I found Grim Dawn absolutely boring as FUCK. I played about...10 hours? As a caster type, and the gameplay was fucking NUMBING as fuck.
I started again as a melee type, and that was okay, but by the time I caught up to my other char (Around level 25) I got equally bored again.
It doesn't help that modern click-em-ups make you dedicate yourself to 59 points in 2 active skills, then a load of "1% damage to hellfire damage" passives. Fuck me what a boring game. 3/5
Evan Long
>So like, normal/veteran? Do you have a room temp IQ? Beating the game means beating the game, as in all difficulties complete. Playing through normal is not beating the game in an ARPG, that's the fucking tutorial you shitter. Still waiting to hear what these enemies are that are giving you trouble on certain character builds because I know for a fact there are non in Grim Dawn, all of the enemies are static as fuck in terms of difficulty and largely behave the same way.
Adam Bailey
>Path of Trading >A real arpg Yikes
Julian Allen
>Be Grim Dawn >Have 3 stats >Have to put all of your points into Physique even as a caster because the devs are brainlets Yikes
Liam Fisher
Thats just the Titan Quest style of Skill tree though
Chase Thompson
Nonsense post, also not an argument.
Those same people who die early remake the same character and go do the exact same thing as before, because they know they simply got rng'd or had a network problem.
When the core strategy of hardcore league is "logout when it gets iffy", you know the game does not have scaling difficulty, but rather incomprehensible and unapproachable bullshit that is entirely outside the players ability to control.
Connor Clark
>used to like poe and hate grim dawn >now feel about the same about each of them
It's because PoE sucks now though I still can't stand playing GD
Chase Long
Nox was very story heavy and has no replayability after you've tried all 3 characterrs once imo. Sacred 2 was meh compared to Sacred 1. Sacred 1 I used to play tons back in 2004 before WoW came out.
Sacred was great while it lasted but I can't say I've ever had any itch to go back to it. I've played a few ladder seasons of D2 between 2006-2012 though and more recently some PoD. Can't say any of those three make me think modern ARPGs are shit.
Ryder Long
>be diablo 2 >have 4 stats >still put all your points into vitality even as a caster because the devs are brainlets
Joseph Sullivan
Builds take a long time to get rolling and I agree that the start is boring as fuck. I'm lvl 90 with my most recent character and have too many active skills to fit in one hotbar. A lot of skills also do not come from your class but from items or item enhancements.
Aiden Powell
>t.played the game on release
Alexander Torres
See Any spray casting enemy will be harder for a melee character because you won't have any room to dodge the spell and will likely be hit by all of it at once. Zantarin is infamous for that pure vit damage front cone shotgun that can one shot the tankiest build. But of course, you "BEAT THE GAYM", so you probably got the Order to nemesis and hunted that guy down, so you know everything about nemesis enemies, right? Also any enemy that can spam charge is going to be hard to deal with for defensively inferior characters when compared to melee characters. This is particularly the case for padre Kymon in the latest expansion. Before you keep shitposting, I'm giving you two examples, do your own research if you want more. We could fling shit at each other all day but it makes no difference. You hate thing and simply are unable to enjoy it, so I repeat, why do you even bother?
Leo Miller
>Those same people who die early remake the same character and go do the exact same thing as before, because they know they simply got rng'd or had a network problem. Loving every laugh. >I-i-it was RNG! Absolute shitter lmao
Cooper Nguyen
A lot of the difficulty comes from the fact that you play the game for 12 hours a day for the first few days of the league. Many of the top player deaths are just momentary lapses in concentration.
>Haha he died to the DD chest AGAIN due to sleep deprivation LOL what a hard game man
Something like Uber Elder is mechanically challenging, sure, but that's not the source of that many HC deaths because people unsure about it just fucking avoid it.
Grayson Clark
I found PoE absolutely boring as FUCK. I played about...10 hours? As a caster type, and the gameplay was fucking NUMBING as fuck.
I started again as a melee type, and that was okay, but by the time I caught up to my other char (Around level 25) I got equally bored again.
It doesn't help that modern click-em-ups make you dedicate yourself to 59 points boosting 1 active skill, then a load of "%life" passives. Fuck me what a boring game. 3/5
Isaiah Butler
No rebuttal, no argument. Thank you for conceding the debate, zoomer, even if it was without grace.
Gabriel Sanchez
All Diablo-likes are bad. It's a fundamentally garbage genre. Instead of having interesting core combat mechanics it's all about muh loot treadmill.
op is correct about grim dawn, but wrong about it not being better than poe
Jason Hernandez
You had no argument my tranny friend. If you think that saying somebody only dies in PoE due to RNG then you are a brainlet, a casual and you're dogshit at video games. No wonder you desperately try to defend grim dawn, it's clearly the only ARPG your small mind can manage to beat because the devs hold your hand the entire way through. Embarrassing to be honest lmao
Jack Morgan
there hasn't been a good arpg made in ages
hth
Hunter Myers
Holy autism, what is it about Grim Dawn that always makes PoEshitters seethe so hard
Sebastian Thompson
>Any spray casting enemy will be harder for a melee character because you won't have any room to dodge the spell and will likely be hit by all of it at once. Absolute bullshit. Any spray casting attack will bee blatantly announced and all you have to do is move back a few steps so you don't get shotgunned by the effect, and those types of attacks are reserved for fucking bosses anyway, we're talking about run of the mill enemies here.
Nathaniel White
you'd be mad too if you spent all day playing poe
Henry Long
What do you call an arpg game without rpg elements?
Nicholas Carter
Newest poe league lost more than 50k players after a week.
Colton Lewis
i'm surprised they had 50k players to lose
Elijah Morris
Try keeping track of a shotgun move while being mobbed or in any instance of a crucible 150+ wave
David Rogers
And kids are retarded enough to think that the same people won't come back for the next league that hopefully won't suck as hard. It's just fanboyism in its most retared form.
Jack Cooper
>memes and insults You already lost zoomer. No need to embarrass yourself further. Just try harder next time!
Protip from an expert internet debater: the person arguing from the stance supported by objective, observable reality usually wins without effort.
Juan Richardson
I mean usually steam numbers are over 100k when every new league launches, not counting their separate client. It's just that the recent leagues have been bad.
Daniel Young
Does Synthesis really suck that much? Ive been having a lot of fun with the gameplay gimmick but i only play PoE Casualy
Blake Peterson
People felt it was incredibly unrewarding, boring, and also RNG in a very annoying way. Around the time I quit it seemed like the only worthwhile thing about the league was chaining fragments with tons of modifiers from those area modifier fragments. Actually synthesising items seemed to be a complete meme.
Sebastian Hernandez
I'll be mad if i had to play 1 game every day.
Elijah Fisher
>That assruined tranny speech pattern Oh I am laffin' You will never pass as a woman.
They're pretty much the opposite takes on the genre. If you try and play one like the other you'll have a miserable time.
Connor Sanders
They are just playing PoE out of spite, and talking it up as a way to make themselves feel better for playing it. Hardly ever a thread about it that is not complaining or criticizing a different game in the genre. Its not talking about the game but talking down trash about the competition. Such as it is.
Ryder Wright
Not even that guy but you seem so terribly fixated in dudes with mangled genitals you can't stop mentioning them in every post. Would seek professional help at this point, be it a psychologist or a trans prostitute
Anthony Peterson
Jesus fuck do trannies think this is how women behave?
Asher Wilson
Not that guy but trannies are always the first to pretend they're not trannies as they play the victim card. You are an abomination m8.
Sebastian Bailey
All the memory fragment/memory map stuff seemed like it was deliberately crippled just to annoy you and all the loot related stuff was an absurd amount of of unintuitive work for basically no gain. Engaging with the league content made your experience worse. Apparently it's changed a lot since then but who knows I quit.
This is definitely some paranoid shit you've made up. Imagine getting so mad about people on the internet you actually give yourself a mental illness.
Adrian Harris
I like both poe and grim dawn, but then I remember that getting a drop in poe is enough to warrant a highlights video. I've been playing for about 4 years on and off and I've never had more that 5ex of total worth. At least in GD you actually get shit to drop. Don't think I'll be going back to poe any time soon desu.
Brayden Collins
t. ranny Unironically kill yourself
Blake Turner
they changed it about 6months back. i have 10 points in physique and rest in spirit on my Necro+Arcanist
Cameron Howard
whatever you need to believe, friend
Oliver Ortiz
rent free, how often do you think of trannies ddude?
>Mfw they actually are asshurt mentally ill trannies I see you creatura's actually fap to your own disgusting kind too. Imagine being shit at video games and mentally ill to the point that you poison your body with estrogen and fap to those monstrosities Absolutely embarrassing tbqhwy lmao
Grim Dawn >comfy offline gaem can be modded, hacked, cheated >better arts for classes >classes aren't genderlocked >you can still play your high leveled character when new contents are released
PoE >online gaem, good luck wanting to play when your internet is out >ugly class arts >genderlocked classes >you have to play a new character for literally every thing new they add to the game, the suffering when they added new content only for level 90+
