You have 10 seconds to explain why Steam deserves 30%

nice analogy that does not apply at all fuckwit

what does epic do to earn theirs? itch.io has 0% cut.

I was pirating everything before I started Steam.

Imagine if the waiter came up to your table with the soup and you said you wanted the salad so he spilled the soup on you and told you to fuck off

*started using

>user has exactly 0 credibility to discuss anything in terms of economics /thread

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because i'm an american consumer and not a chinese developer

industry standard

go ahead and make your game epic exclusive, but I won't buy it, and a lot of other people won't either. your call. just don't make these seething shill threads when it turns out consumers don't want your chink spyware

You're talking about epic games not valve/steam.

I dont give a fuck about how much they take. I care about what I am getting out of it.

Because at the end of the day theyre both 60 bucks so i'd rather not get chinese spyware if im getting charged the same

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For major games they do, and you can always print your own Steam keys for games that you can sell on other platforms letting you keep more.

Of course that's all up to you if you don't feel like Valve's tireless work on Proton, DXVK, the Mesa project, the Steam Forums, SDL, and every other bit of vital PC gaming infrastructure that they maintain is worth it.

Steam reviews are the single most reliable indicator of whether a game is worth your money or not (other than playing it for yourself, of course). Epic can't compete just for that one reason, without even mentioning the chinese cockroaches.

Also, fuck off shills

only games that actual sell get a better deal than 30%. Up to 22%

占占点

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>and you can always print your own Steam keys for games that you can sell on other platforms letting you keep more.
Only if you sell enough copies on Steam first. Keys are not to be used to avoid paying Steam's cut.

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Off the top of my head:
>shoppingbasket and other basic bitch features of an online store that are to be expected in 20-fucking-19
>cloudsaves
>forums
>reviews
>trading
>modding
>payment processing included in the base price
>online streaming
>in-house streaming
>sales

Really is a mystery why people would prefer the better service.

Why give more money to publishers though?

You have 10 seconds to explain what happened in 1989 on the Tiananmen Square.

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And screwing over devs?

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>Epic can't compete because reviews only exist on Steam
Hmm, really makes ya think

When steam and digital started 30% was a great deal. In the age of retail only you were lucky if you had less than 70%....

30% is also industry standard

>this thread again
>same exact OP
Stop replying you abject retards.

How come epic shills always ignore that discord takes less?

Imagine them writing in textbooks about the ancient hardships of using 2 separate programs to launch 2 separate games. What a fucking crisis.

How do you fuck up the Tito meme so badly? Fucking zoomers.

>You have 10 seconds to explain why Steam deserves 30%
Because it's the industry standard you mongoloid.

8jiu

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>posted tinanmen square copypasta in ching chong epic rove us rong time thread
>got banned
just remember the chinamen have deep pockets

You trust video game (((journalists))) reviews on which games are good then?

How do I get paid to shill for epic?

Yea Forums had a sticky with the pasta up for like a week earlier this month

Imagine actually paying for worse service.
You'd probably eat shit as long as it is served on a pretty plate.

They accommodate markets by offering cash options where they're demanded (like Japan and Russia) but they also offer a number of other charge services for countries globally.

They offer developer support, and have done it for 15 years now, so it's streamlined and effecient.

They offer client and developer features like DDoS protection, their own low latency backbone for multiplayer that optimizes ping and broadens MM sample ranges. Achievements, they're developing a per-game newsfeed, they've got the workshop.

They've again, been doing this for 15 years. All those loose screws that they had at the beginning have been tightened up, and new features have been increasingly tight upon implementation. Not to mention that they directly confer with numerous developers every time the issue a backend change so things are as seamless as possible.

They've also had my information for a decade and a half and it's never been leaked. I don't want another attack vector, especially not one published by some retardedly aspirational company that is pushing a product this hard. They're going to get hit harder than Equifax.

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I don't trust any reviews t b h, but Steam isn't the only place to find reviews, consumer or not.

IMAGINE A WORLD IN WHICH A MAN CAN FULLY PROFIT FROM HIS OWN CREATIONS. INSANE, ISN'T IT?

If Epic store actually got a big consumer base and a bunch of 3rd party titles on it, the first thing they would do is end 12% cut saying its too low. Youtube did the same thing with content creators, they offered a better deal and once all the content creators and viewers came in immediately altered the deal.

Imagine a world in which you get your teeth knocked out. Not too far off, is it?

based

And you have 10 seconds to explain to me why publishers deserve 88% when none of their additional profits befit the customer.

Delete this right now or I start posting so much CP, the mods will have to nuke this thread.

>You have 10 seconds to explain why Steam deserves 30%
the service they provide is worth the 30% cut

You have 10 seconds to explain why Epic deserves 12%

Well?

It's the best one though
You see the reviewers playtime, plus you know for sure that they actually bought the game. Without this, people just write bullshit all the time

Because they actually create, while consumers only bitch and destroy.

they should seriously lower their rate, 30% is a lot and they have so much fucking money they don't even need it. They have so much money that they got fucking lazy and stopped making the games that made them a big name in the first place

because they can. if epic can stop that then so be it.

It's essentially a marketing/stocking fee. More people are likely to see/try your game if it's on Steam than if it's just on your itch.io site or some shit.

Steam also handles content distribution and in some cases multiplayer via Steamworks.

You can, good luck hosting your site, promoting it, hosting you own download server, making a secure payment system and giving support to the inevitable whiny client.

You got it Emperor Pooh I believe in your resolve and your willingness to take a ban

Giving a free ride to a friend is one thing. Giving free rides as a business is absolutely fucking braindead.

gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-03-02-steam-user-reviews-can-be-bought-for-usd5-report

lmao

Simple.

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>they have so much fucking money they don't even need it
LMAO
Welcome to capitalism, there is no such thing as too much money

You are right. In fact, they should charge at least $100 for video games because we don't deserve any better.

You faggots have been paying $60 + $60 tip for at least a decade now.

with a wallet this fat i can't justify buying games anywhere else.

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They hoard money and don't re-invest it in new gaming-related projects like they should. Not nearly enough projects, anyway. They just sit on all this capital like Scrooge McDuck in his swimming pool of money

I hate to say it, but I don't think this stuff works anymore. I'll bet Tencent shills get special government access.

based and free tibet

they cornered the market and that gives them the leverage to take 30%.

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I can do it in one word
Proton

They continue to develop steam and deploy their own personally funded server backbones so they can run standalone internationally instead of using the open internet or AWS type shit. They also tried the Steam Machine, developed the Steam Controller, and worked in partnership with HTC to bring the best VR experience possible to consumers, more recently they announced the Index.

You couldn't possibly realize the volume of data they have the infrastructure to move, and the volume of data they move. And they're international operators, they have to hire lawyers to write agreements for every country they accept money from, they have to offer different payment methods and etc...

Here's a part of what they do with their money:
youtube.com/watch?v=wrvr02SiHY4

Good luck hiring the thousands of people you need to sway the results in a noticable way and also not getting detected by the system.
There's a list of games reviewed by that guy at the end of the article, all of them (except csgo lol) are literal nonames no one has ever heard of.
Get the fuck out with this weak pseudo-journalism shit, I regret wasting my time on reading this. Come back when you have proof that major AAA titles' scores are being significantly boosted in this way.

Fpbp

I don't care how much of a difference walmart charges from what they pay for a product

Why the fuck should I care about how much of a cut steam takes? Do you know how much places like restaurants or bars charge compared to what the product costs? Do you care?

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Services that Steam provides:
>hosting game files
>automatic updates
>cloud saves
>multiplayer servers
>screenshot management and backup
>forums
>friends
>voice chat
>game backups and restores
>television UI
>custom controller mapping

30% is a bit high, but above 20% is definitely fair.

They advertise, run the games online servers, manage the games forums, Lowers the 30% considerably over the course of the game selling to far below 12%, They run the games Support, Has the largest user base that actually uses the PC for Games, and Hosts the games modding community.
There is more but Epic does none of this as well as offers nothing better or different in return.

>getting triggered this hard by the truth
oof

If i remember this shit correctly
Steam takes 30% for your first x amount of copies
Then around what 16-20k copies sold it drops to 20%
I can't remember the exact amount but its definitely not 30% across the lifespan of a game

gives you access to the widest amount of users

they should charge more honestly because you'll never have that access anywhere else

>30% is a bit high
It's the industry standard for Digital distribution that has been around for almost ever. Uplay, Origin, GoG. All of them take the 30% and they do less than a quarter of what steam handles for a game. Epic is doing literally nothing for the game but instead inflates the publishers wallet instead.
Physical costs more than that for a publisher.

They provide a valuable service. They host, advertise and sell copies of games. Steam is literally the most well known digital distributor of games in the world. 30% is actually very generous, all things considered.

Something something Chinese malware, something something fortnite, it’s not steam so it’s bad.

>Good luck hiring the thousands of people you need to sway the results in a noticable way and also not getting detected by the system.
Watch out, this Valve drone knows about (((THE SYSTEM)))

You have 10 seconds to explain why I should give a shit about digital stores.

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You can. It's called having your own distribution services. EA has been doing it for a long while now with Origin. Blizzard's been doing it with Battle.net, and both Ubisoft and Bethesda are dabbling (because they still partner up with EGS/Steam for distribution of some stuff) using the Uplay launcher and Bethesda.net launcher respectively.

>but instead inflates the publishers wallet instead.
I really doubt they plan on continuing this strategy. I would bet money that they're just trying to build up a consumer base since they're coming into the market. pay a premium now -> get people to use your service -> eventually it might become profitable and self sustaining and then you can develop the client more and/or take a higher cut.

user, publishers =/= developers. They aren't even interchangeable terms.

I hate Steam and I hate the effects of the shitty 88/12 meme.

1. Developed a quite large middleware solutions that manages autoupdating, multiplayer, DLC and (I hate this) mods.
2. Have a large amount of paying methods from all over the world.
3. Have a large logistic of the economical situation from all over the world, making possible accurate regional pricing.
4. They can generate keys for free as long as the amounts are reasonable and aren't sold much more cheaply than in Steam itself.
5. The developer/publisher has the option to not take the deal and go to other store or making their own vía FastSpring or Humble Widget.

>I would bet money that they're just trying to build up a consumer base
Funny. Seeing as 2K seems to be the only notable company they are buying exclusivity from.

What about Ubisoft?

it still would attract people to the service in theory. not sure if it's really working or not. it's a pretty common strategy for a company going into a new market where there is a strong competitor presence.

Ubisoft sells their shit on Uplay too. They are taking the money because they can blame Epic for the failure is sales while lining their pockets with Fortnite money.

They bought exclusivity from Deep Silver, only weeks before Metro came out. Division 2 is "only" on EGS, and Anno was pulled from Steam to be "exclusive" to EGS as well.

>vital PC gaming infrastructure
you mean DRM that has basically made it the norm in the industry? the thing that has removed all consumer rights. we can't buy products anymore, just subscriptions to services. fucking thanks valve let me bend over and pull my asshole open further for you.

Division 2 isn't "only" Epic. It's on Uplay as well.

>you mean DRM that has basically made it the norm in the industry?
Yeah, I really hate that in most stores you only get a Steam key but that isn't fault of Valve but of lazy developers/publishers.

I can't even be mad at Ubisoft for this, they're literally getting paid by epic to build up Uplay. Legit 10k iq business move from them
Seeing as they could only buy six months of BL3, I guess some publishers are asking for a lot of fucking money. Indies and AAs are much cheaper to buy out

>not understanding the quotes
The reason I said that regarding Anno and Division is because of the fact that you can directly buy them from Uplay.

boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/IpSsMNrUAJneCZCYaKU-EQ/
You've made this thread three times now and each thread you've failed to explain why you care about this or how you could care when it doesn't effect you as a consumer.

They offer services to make me want to buy from their launcher and they're the ones who decided 30% was what they wanted to do. I don't give a fuck about anything else but what I get out of it all.

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>Seeing as they could only buy six months of BL3
Just that? Tencent could buy the whole European game development scene with what they earn a Sunday in China.

you can't blame one but not the other. they're both profiting off of it. it isn't even laziness. people want to block second sale. valve made it easier so everyone defaults to it because fuck consumers .

>you can't blame one but not the other.
I can, because no one forced them to only sell Steam keys.

If that was true, denuvo wouldnt need to exist.
Your arugment sounds like the people who hate Half-life because it was the predecessor of in-game cut-scenes and turret sections.

no one forces valve to sell them either you dumb fuck

denuvo doesn't need to exist prove me wrong

Indeed. Valve just gives the option. And some developers haven't taken it. See World of Goo. The only place you can get the Steam version is Steam itself.

Can a shill explain to me the advantage of EGS over Steam as a consumer? The only thing I see it doing is hold games hostage.

>hurr durr that means you can't also blame valve

Oh they absolutely fucking could, but investors won't let them do this without turning a profit sooner than later, and they already said the store will run at a loss for this year due to their deals. They can only buy exclusivity for so long before the investors get mad, so they probably did the math and the cost of six months of BL3 probably would've pissed off investors much less for their total financial year than twelve months exclusivity

Am I the only person who can see that EGS is an alt right dog whistle? They are giving the developers 88% which is an obvious reference to the neo nazi term 1488.

>it's the publisher's fault, it's not valve's fault they chose to associate with them

It gives the developer more money.

The exclusivity thing is the lesser of their problems.
The push for the 88/12 share will hurt and probably kill lesser stores like GamersGate, ZOOM Platform, Humble Store and GOG.com.

>valve is completely innocent in all of this

They might hosts games Steam doesn't, much like Battlenet or Origin.
They also take less of a percentage overall, but it's a part of the chinese botnet, so it evens out.

Can someone tell me how Valve forces developers and publishers to only sell Steam keys? There are no records of Valve making deals like that.

Denuvo "shouldn't" exist. But the thing is that it doesn't matter what argument you use, the bean counters will always view a pirated copy as a used sale.

Simply put, so long as piracy exists, game companies will always try to find anti-piracy measures or flock to invasive DRM.

As a lost sale*

I agree with this, it sucks but it's better than fucking securom starforce and tages, and now we get a lot of games on PC same day as consoles. Obviously the no DRM solution would be ideal, but you'll never convince the finance departments that no DRM releases would still make money

30% is relatively little for a store to take
even if it was a lot, Valve is doing all the hosting, distribution, etc.

30% isn't relatively little, margins across most retail are more like 16% and valve doesn't even maintain a physical store. you could sell a game on walmart.com and get a bigger cut.

Why the hell is Tibet part of China? What absolute bullshit.
Hell, those Han asshole have control over so much territory they need to free. Tibet, Inner Mongolia, East Turkestan, really all of Manchuria, basically the entirety of Southern China, and more.
I don't really hate Chinks, just their government.

physical shelf space is different than maintaining storage and networking for digital media

im not even a publisher and I can get better rates selling used shit on ebay

it's much different. physical storage costs a lot more than some slices on a VM for a game that will sell a copy a week in the future

It is know. No one forces you to sell thru Steam, specially since tools like Humble Widget and FastSpring exist.

They shouldn't. Obviously they need to change something to stay competitive or they risk losing their domination of the market. That doesn't mean EGS is good or worth using though, because its not.

Stop spreading misinfo, this guy in the screenshot was giving keys to Russian bot farms so he could get trading card money. Abuse the system, no more keys WAOW STEAM EVIL.

that doesn't mean it's great why does that mean it's a good thing please what the fuck

No one in the industry really cares about shares. If that was the case, they would only sell in Discord, that has a 90/10 share.

hey whats going on in this thread

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they do, it's just that valve fucking owns the market what the fuck do you think they'd choose if things were actually fair? just look at how much resistance people have met with trying to sell on a different platform. what the fuck is wrong with people?

>Straight from Valve's mouth is disinfo but "Valve's cut is actually only 5% because muh keys" isn't
Valve drones, ladies and gents

if things were actually fair, you'd be able to buy epic games releases on valve and vice versa. as it is now, it's completely lopsided. I can buy R* or ubi games on steam but not the other way around.

>AMERICA GOOD
>CHINA BAD

Don't like it? Don't go there.

>just look at how much resistance people have met with trying to sell on a different platform
The resistance it's because, first, those games weren't made for Epic and, second, they had a scheduled Steam release that Epic Games cockblocked.

I do wonder what they're doing with all that money.

The giant server farm that runs Steam and its gigantic library of games can't be cheap to keep going, but I have to imagine they're making a wicked profit.

What are they doing with that profit? It's none of my business. But I hope they're doing something cool.

how 2 buy bl2

>But I hope they're doing something cool.
At best, they're doing VR development.
At worst, absolutely nothing.

Valve was telling him in a nice way to fuck off. The dev made a big ass thread about it on Steamgifts when it happened thinking the community would support him. Retard.

They definitely care about shares, but shares are meaningless if nobody sees or buys your product. Valve knows their fanboys refuse to buy anything that isn't on Steam and that's exactly why they don't need to compete by lowering their cut. Epic is smart to buy big exclusives because it's literally the only thing that will get people off Steam.

Ebay is around a 10% fee and Paypal varies based location, so around 10-20%. So it's lower but you still have to send something typically to conform to their ToS last I read.

That's fine, if you ignore the scale of it. Valve has millions invested in hardware and network infrastructure. Not to mention the costs of upkeep in equipment and staff.

this guy gets it

>Valve tells developers trying to game Steam's cut to fuck off
You don't say

>They also take less of a percentage overall
For themselves, they still charge the same amount. And in parts of Europe and most of Asia, they charge more.

I don't give a fuck about developers what kind of stupid question is this.

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I don't care because I'm not a developer. Suck my ass.

>I really doubt they plan on continuing this strategy
Sweeney himself said that the 12% is "temporary". I wonder how the devs will feel when the cut increases.

No, YOU have 10 seconds to explain why Epic deserves any of my money.

>Paypal varies based location
2.9% + 30 cents per transaction and apparently they're raising fees and introducing all sorts of new cunty rules soon.

More features, consumer friendly, better infrastructure, less hacking incidents, no spyware, no Chinese overlords.

their upkeep costs are negligible. if they own the infrastructure they will save money on it for baseline otherwise if they just spin up vms on a cloud service it is probably quite cheap to support X games vs X+1 games. of course initial infrastructure setup is going to have high costs but that's fucking normal.

The most ironic thing of all is that developers shit on us all the time. It's literally a developer pastime to go to places like Leddit and TrannyEra and shit on their own customers. Why the fuck should we campaign for them to get more money?

Yea Forums

>Leddit and TrannyEra
Okay now this is epic

>Okay, this is Steam
Fix'd.

Ubisoft is basically scamming Epic. With it taken off Steam, everyone's basically just going to Uplay to get the games.

they probably won't like it, but the idea is to have enough negotiating power at that point so that it won't matter.