What went wrong?

This right here.

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based AND redpilled

Wait.. Isn't that the new guy from smash bros??
What's he doing on playstation?

All of the main girls were boring/lame as fuck.
Makoto was the closest to being good, but she's just a discount Mitsuru.
Went for Tae, but was also wishing I could just romance Yusuke.

>Wojakposter is also a phoneposter
Imagine my shock.

Janitors already at work :)

mad nincel

huh?

is it worth emulating the ps3 version? I'm not a weebshitter incel that plays social sims so idk

Makoto is a trashy Mary Sue that everyone praises for no reason.
Fuck off with your shit taste.

They take their "job" very seriously after all

I'm an idort but enjoy your shitty brand loyalty.

retard

Why are Mods & Jannies so OBSSESSED with Persona 5?

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Nintendo board.
But no ban can make a port for switch possible

:)

i would say so. i emulate it on a mid-tier pc and get an average 30fps in most spots. areas like the school and the city can dip into the high teens but that's the worst performance i've gotten so far. you might want to pause a few threads to not get shitty sound and get an easy to install mod to fix broken character portraits though.

Lads, is Persona 3 Portable worth playing?

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Why would he be mad? Everyone sucks BOTW's dick 24/7 while Bloodborne remains irrelevant

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>someone criticizes persona 5
>Y-YOU'RE JUST A SEETHING NINTENDIE
every fucking time

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Cope Makoto faggot.
She's a shit character and even you admitted it in your previous post

>Bloodborne remains irrelevant

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gonna say not much, one of my favourite games

This but unironically.

>Why are Mods & Jannies so OBSSESSED with Persona 5?
These fat fucks had a sticky planned for the P5R announcement but got a PS logo instead lmao

>4 reviews
where did you get this list dude

That happens because switchbros are acting like persona is a nintendo franchise just for one shitty dlc. It's fucking pathetic

no one has said Persona is a nintendo franchise, SMT is the Nintendo one, people just want Persona on other shit like the Switch.

joker being in smash and smash autism worsening the persona fanbase

>implying the Persona fanbase was good before that

Nothing
You're just a contrarian and a nostalgiafag. I bet you're a P4cuck.

it wasn't but it was way better than smash toddler-tier autism

I never played 5 and currently playing PQ2. Fuck P5 cast, they are boring as fuck. Fuck that i get P3 cast no sooner than 3rd dungeon.

>'P4 is bad' meme

but mine was unironic to begin with

>smt
Literally nothing lmao

No PC version running at 144fps

>makotofag
>is also homosexual
pottery

I literally said she was a discount Mitsuru. "Closest to good" doesn't mean good.
Are you retarded? I had to date a side character because they were all trash.

Literally nothing you idiot FUCK YOU

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>because they were all trash.
You forgot that Ann exists.

Only played P3, which one is better? P4 or P5?

And I don't have a PS/Xbox controller, how fucking garbage are the controls emulating P5 on PC?

5 is better in every way.

Imagine posting this unironically

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Cope.

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5

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P4 has better writing but a terrible pace and bad "dungeons".
P5 is sometimes wonky in the writing department but is a very solid and consistent game, only bogged down significantly during September.

No female protagonist.
Some of the later dungeons suck.
That's it really.

It was nice, ending felt quite rushed though

>P4 has better writing

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Only play SMT, Persona is too faggy for me

The kids at zero point stop being smallminded little shits. They never grow or evolve, they just keep being smug because they're rebellious teens with little to no concept of how a mind actually works.

all the 'villains' they wind up changing, except volleyball rapist (and to a lesser extent, mob boss) are not awful people who need mind control. They're people who have been psychologically oppressed and damaged, in situations that are literally too complex for these little fucks to understand.

Some of the side chars are p gud, tho.

> 4 Reviews
LMAO The absolute state of soulsfags

which one has the better VN feel?
I really wanna try playing VNs but my normie brain won't let me digest it, but Persona 3's RPG but with VN features felt really good

We can never have a thread about P5 without console faggotry. I don't think nintentards visit these threads anymore Its the same group of people with the same images and the same posts that they use to shit on every thread.

Characters that are written with faults are not a result of bad writing.
Also the guy in that post ignores how Adachi fucking killed people, you don't need an arguing match with someone as soon as they've crossed that line, you eliminate the man who's capable of killing you inmediately.
Anyway I think the first chunk of P4 is annoying anyway because Yosuke, Chie and Teddy are obnoxious as shit.

4 is a VN, 5 is a videogame.

The story drags on for way too fucking long.

>playstation smt
:)

Don't insult my waifu ever again

Is P3 somewhat of inbetween?

Ren or should i say """"Joker"""" is boring as fuck as a MC

This. And at that, there's no worthy end-game content. I didn't have a chance to use any end game personas because there's absolutely nothing to do.

Nah. It's a nice PlayStation Exclusive

Made Persona a normie franchise

>because there's absolutely nothing to do.

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They are literally the same shit

The naoto of the game joins too early and join the chemistry of the group
Everything after her dungeon is too easy

>is not endgame but new game plus
>is 1 (one) fight

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>Persona 5 gets released and normies flock to it
>Also gets in Smash so Smashbabbies will shit up Persona too
>SMT-Chads keep their comfyness of being fairly unknown/niche
Why do they always win?

ruin the chemistry*

>P5 is sometimes wonky in the writing department but is a very solid and consistent game, only bogged down significantly during September.

>only bogged down in September
>literally half the game consists of heavy-handed exposition dumps

I thought Persona 4 had the worst pacing of any game I've ever played, but Persona 5 somehow managed to have even more awful pacing. I don't understand how people can stomach these games, much less like them.

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I would say P3 skews closer to VN.

This kills the Persona fags, for comparison
> Digital Devil Saga 2 (100)
> Persona 3 FES (98)
> Persona 2 IS (96)
> Persona 4 (96)
> Strange Journey (95)
> S.M.T IV (93)
> Persona 2: EP (93)
> Nocturne (93)
> Digital Devil Saga (91)
> Persona 1 PSP (91)
> Revelations Persona (90)
> Devil Survivor (90)
> Soul Hackers (89)
> Devil Survivor 2 (89)

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>What went wrong?

Having a dialogue system that's even worse than Fallout 4 certainly didn't help.

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It ended up being way better than the Nintendo exclusive JRPG, so tendies have to keep shitting on it.

Considering that Persona is now so big as to be in Smash Bros...not much? Perhaps It could have gone without all the delays.

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>a dialogue system that's even worse than Fallout 4

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>Writing is irredeemably shit and has everything force-fed to you at least three times in a scene by three of the characters because weebs have below 10 IQ
>Absolutely laughable party character """""""""progression""""""""""
>Morgana and everything associated with him
>Every dungeon after the first two are slogs, they're called the Phantom THIEVES but only the Palace, Art Museum and Casinos feel like actual heists and even then the Casino is pushing it
>Mementos
>Le ebin pancakes twistu
>MC is boring
>Absolutely juvenile design choices like the employee meat grinder for Haru to go "d-d-does my f-father see h-his workers.....as SLAVES????!?!?!?1"

The only thing that I can give it actual applause for was the OST.

he's not wrong though

but that's literally true
>hey joker do you like me
>yes
>yes but snarky
>yes as friends
>repeat for every option in the game

Dog you better pump those fuckin brakes

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Where'd you get these lies?

I... actually kind of agree with that.

>start off really strong
>first villain was absolute scum and detestable
>every subsequent villain felt less and less "evil" despite the attempt to make them feel like they were getting worse
>characters start off good in their introductory chapter and then devolve into a generic personality gimmick from that point onward and cease further development

COPE

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don't forget morgana literally didn't even have character development
>lol look at this cat that knows the plot but can't remember why
>oh haha he thinks ann is sexy and doesn't like being called a cat
>that's it
>oh now he's a velvet room creation how does this affect him
>it doesn't

Is someone mad their obscure series isn't getting any recognition?

It's an excelent exclusive!
I suggest you buy a PS4 to enjoy it like myself

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I would have disliked this game far, far more if any more attention was devoted to Morgana.
>That fucking arc with Haru
It's my biggest gripe with the game's writing and not at all enjoyable or engaging. Plus Haru's introduction gets shafted because Morgana's own story takes spotlight over her

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Seethe, cope, and have sex.

No seriously where are you getting these? Also I love all the persona games equally so that's good news.

>OH SKULL, YOU'RE USELESS
>Hey fuck you cat
>W-W-WUHHHHHHH
Morgana is shit. Can't believe they made a mascot character worse than Teddy.
At least you're allowed to cuck him.

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Nothing.
There are a multitude of bad games killing and diluting the industry and you choose to be contrarian to some of the best games to ever release?

It's not a PS4 exclusive.

>They're people who have been psychologically oppressed and damaged
I'm gonna have to disagree on that one chief.

If you've literally never played a jrpg before it's fine but if you have and look at it from ANY critical level the entire thing falls apart
The list of things this game did "right" is vastly shorter than the list of things the were done horribly wrong or could have easily been fixed/improved

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Nothing. Only P3tards keep seething about this game.

Harubros, why did our girl get shafted in screentime? It's just not fair.

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>ann crits a target
>morgana screams "OH PANTHER YOU'RE SO BEAUTIFUL"
like holy fucking shit cat keep it in your pants we're fighting demons SHUT THE FUCK UP

Oh sorry, you can get it on PS3 aswell!
Just forgot that

Currently replaying P4, but fuuuuuck... was there really so little of fighting? You finish a dungeon in day, then wait month/s for a next one. If you try to harvest xp, you will just end up ridiculously strong and bosses are fucking joke then.
Compared to that when i play nocturne.... when is the fucking switch SMT coming out?

Cope.
youtube.com/watch?v=09WcSm_trzw

Unlike fallout 4 its not trying to be anything else though.

Your waifu is fucking garbage with zero personality

every persona game has the issue of the social sim time taking up 18x more time than the dungeons. it should be more interlaced where you have like a week for the dungeon and then a week of social sims but it ends up being a day of dungeon and then 2 years of social sims

It's not fair. I like her so much more on the second playthrough because I finally feel like I've gotten more time with her as a character. Completely shafted

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P5 was my first Persona/SMT and this game is a fucking joke.
Cope.

This is where the story took a nose dive for me. Morgana spends the whole game being a little bitch and as soon as it gets thrown back at him he spergs like a bitch and leads the phantom thieves into such an obvious trap Ryuji saw it coming.

>game is 20 bucks
>never played a Persona game so I want to start with this one or P3 (because you guys told me it has a better story)
>scared of make a thread for some discussion/memes/whatever because I will mostly attract waifufags or consolefags
Goddammit Yea Forums

Should I start with SMT and wait till this P5S shit stops?

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having a better story than 3 isn't hard

Piracy doesn't count, my third world friend

>Having a better story than 4 isn't hard
Fixed.

is literally just a better 5 right down to the
>oh the detective was really the bad guy NO WAIT IT WAS ACTUALLY GOD

It got too popular and now Yea Forums has to say they hate it

It was also retarded how he just so happened to "find" the one person who both had the ability to use a Persona and could enter the palace the phantom thieves couldn't get into
For all it's delays the writing still felt rushed to hell

4 is literally 5 but better.

Just buy it
It's a great PlayStation exclusive. I can bet you will enjoy it

Refer to

Mostly SMTfags and Xenocringers 2.

at the end you can actually see some of the remnants from the development hell. lavenza has unique lines related to velvet room fusion and the training has placeholder images showing that it was supposed to be similar to the pokemon daycare

Agreed. Everything after Futaba felt like it was paced like a train wreck.

>everything after kamoshida
ftfy

what was the point of Goro when him being a traitor was crystal clear from the beginning?

A lot of things.

The story turns into hot garbage after Madarame's Palace, because once Makoto gets into the group the entire dynamic gets shafted, and throwing even more characters on top of it like Futaba or Haru doesn't patch the hole. Lots of villains have really dumb reasons for you to go after them (Kaneshiro only happened because Makoto went full retard), and none of them had any real buildup. It was "Hey, this guy is bad! Steal his heart!"

Many characters are poorly written and their plot arcs go fucking nowhere. Makoto's SL wasn't even about her until fucking Rank 10, Ann's SL jumped around between three different plots and was utter garbage, and don't get me started on that fucking retarded cat. Haru got shafted for any development whatsoever because some genius decided to introduce her about 60+ hours in and dropped any and all development for her after Okumura's Palace.

Speaking of Palaces, Shido's was godawful. They also dropped the whole plot point of "actions in the real world can influence the subconscious" after Madarame's Palace and didn't bring it up again until Sae's, and both uses were literally one-time things that just made the Palace eat up an extra day. On top of that, there wasn't any incentive not to just run to the treasure in a single day - if you spent more than two days going through a Palace, it's a waste of time.

TL;DR: game's okay 10/10

>Let's have a party member be a traitor!
>Let's make it the last guy to join your party who we coincidentally didn't release ANY promotional material for!
Wow, what a great twist.

it was supposed to be a fake out for yaldy being igor but that was even more forced and retarded

>Everything after Madarame
ftfy

Eh, the plot twist wasn't that Goro was the traitor, it's that the PT's had him hook, line, and sinker right from the moment he blackmailed his way into the party.

minor correction to this post
>They also dropped the whole plot point of "actions in the real world can influence the subconscious" after Madarame's Palace and didn't bring it up again until Sae's,
they did it for futaba too but it took place the same day you took her heart so who cares

Makoto's palace should have been his and then still have had him be the traitor at the end.

I'll give them that, but I would have preferred it to have been at least kind of a surprise it was him.

pancakes

I thought he might've been a red herring. That was another disappointment but overall I fucking loved the game

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that would've been an interesting premise if they actually told us we knew before it fucking happened. having it pretend to be a big surprise that we all knew was fucking dumb

I agree with literally every single point but I'll never understand the argument that Makoto changed the group dynamic. She was a new member but her inclusion never felt forced or anything like that

1 > EP > 3 > IS > 5 > 4

Daily reminder

This.

I wanted more Junpei like moments but I still think the game deserved to be up there with Breath of the Wild and Nier compared to everything else that came out around that time.

Issue being that they literally had to hide information from the player and make the PT look stupid to accomplish it.

Joker can remember what he had for breakfast every day for months on end, but the drugs conveniently make him forget one or two plot-critical cutscenes.

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i am currently at Haru's palace and it fells like the game will only get worse, as someone who sorta liked Teddy, Morgana is the most insufferable character i have ever had to tolerate. Every single line he says makes me want to turn the game off and whenever he is the focus of the story nobody makes sense.
The conflict of this arc specially makes no sense, you could see from a mile away that the stupid cat was mad but nobody did anything and you as player can't do anything to help him aaaaaaaAaaaaaaaa

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overrated mediocre at best games?

the last palace is the worst one in the game and everyone says sae's is good and they are FUCKING LYING

Sae's is good, though.
Okumura and Shido are the only bad ones.

Yeah I think having only the main 4 + goro was the best. Too much ruins the thieves aesthetic.

Some other fixes
-dont make akechi into adachi. Play him completely straight as the detective who wants to arrest them.
-they needed a smaller scale of villians.
-Morgana and ryuji's spat should've led to something like the answer 2.0

It's not that her inclusion was forced. Beforehand, the PTs were a bunch of chucklefucks successfully bumbling their way through Palaces, but once Makoto joins everyone starts sucking her metaphorical dick on how smart and tactical she is. Like, they decide to make them the party's tactician DESPITE THE FACT that she just led them into a situation that could easily ruin their lives should they fail to steal Kaneshiro's heart.

I understand completely. It felt really poorly done because you get twenty solid minutes of exposition about their plan after Joker escapes from the interrogation chamber.

They're underrated.

if they cut that 20 minutes of exposition and told the player from the very beginning that the cast knew he was a metaverse user it would've been SO much better. yaldy would've actually felt like "oh this was the REAL twist" instead of "well we had to fuck up twice"

I agree, the end result of that conflict should have been they both grow as people, but instead it changes nothing.

I'm gonna say it!!!!

I hope P5 switch is real. P5 was a mediocre disappointment, but its existence would confirm the metroid prime trilogy HD leak from bestbuy

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>Mediocre disappointment
>Best game in the series

Sae's was only good because of the music and shadow Sae
Everything else sucked, especially the boss fight

I'm not complaining about how it was done. I am solely complaining about how at he beginning they open the game with a "one of your teammates turned you in" hook, only to make it so obvious who it was a blind guy could have seen it coming.

that's a low bar

3/4 are better

Palace 4 was good

Futaba destroys the group cohesion more than anyone else. She’s too overpowered

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shit taste desu
the only virtually at all acceptable girl is kawakami

persona 5 dungeons are a bunch of locked doors you'll never use

Haru got fucking trashed and its not even fair.
>joins way too late to get any significant character development
>friendzoning any prior female makes them go "oh that's okay we're still good friends!"
>friendzoning haru, she is completely crushed and makes (you) feel like shit if you do it
>but she joins so late most people probably already had a waifu by that point
Its fucking horseshit

Ah, okay. I kinda wish that Goro was a red herring, honestly, because it was incredibly obvious the second he BLACKMAILED his way into your party. Honestly, Makoto would've made an actually interesting traitor, considering she would have had good reason to - her sister's heart is on the line, after all, compared to Goro's MY DADDY DIDN'T LIKE ME WAAAAH.

But, considering the game holds your hand for the entire 80-100 hours you play like you're a retard wearing a padded helmet, I'm not surprised.

They really should've shown him in the metaverse and played him completely straight. Then shido kills him in the metaverse.

?

P5's dungeon design is essentially the same, only with a visual tweak. This is on top of the game being dumbed down in challenge, lack of calendar event, shitty party compared to 3/4, story that only gets worse as opposed to 3/4 that get better makes it weaker

Persona 5's dungeons are kino.

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I didn't bother getting any of my female SL's to rank 10 until Haru joined so I could get my pick of waifu. I chose Haru because she's the best girl.

Also, Ann's friendzoning is downright cold. Like, your two options are "you have me" if you want to waifu her or "you have the others" if you want to turn her down, except she's clearly sad at the moment and saying that second line is utterly heartless, especially when the more accurate translation from Jap is "you have us" instead.

the romance in persona games is the fucking worst ESPECIALLY for female party members
>can cheat on them with no repercussions outside a haha funny scene at the end of the game
>no quirky dialogue in or out of dungeon mentioning your relationship
>going on dates actively hurts your playthrough since the room decorations are pointless, the date scenes are 5 lines long, you don't need any more slink points with them, only available within the last 2 times you'll ever see the girl, and they just waste a day of time
why even add a fucking romance option if you're not going to do A SINGLE GOD DAMNED THING WITH IT

>posting the only well designed one

But that's wrong, every dungeon in P5 has its own gimmick that differentiates it from the rest.

I agree, I wish it was either Makoto or Haru. I think it would have been pretty cool if Haru did it because after her father died she deiced the thieves were too dangerous to just let them do whatever they want, or something similar. Also agreed with the handhold part like jesus christ.

yeah and the gimmick for every dungeon after kamoshida's is being fucking trash

Way too handholdy, both in terms of gameplay and story. Atlus thinks the Persona audience is fucking retarded. They're not wrong to think that but it's still painful.

>Story that had a really shit message
>Characters were largely one dimensional and bland
>Once Makoto gets introduced the team gets retarded
>Can't romance Sae
>The PTs never once questioned their goals and their aims seemed arbitrary af
>They were never called out on what they were doing, everything they did had positive results
>Morgana's pointless shitfit in the middle of story
>Akechi

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and they suck

Based.

the hand holding was the most egregious fucking thing i don't know why people don't bring it up that often
>sae's palace in the dark maze
>see a vent
>try to go through vent
>HEY JOKER MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AROUND FIRST
>door 4 inches away from vent
>go to door
>HMM JOKER THE DOOR IS LOCKED DID YOU SEE A VENT ANYWHERE
>only now can you go into the vent
>this happens multiple times in every single dungeon

>people unironically think 3/4 have better dungeons than 5

That's some ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HARDCORE nostalgia you idiots have going there.
That's not to say 5's dungeons couldn't be way better but jesus.

Oh they did. They questioned it in one cutscene and then they went "IF NO ONE ELSE WILL WHO WILL? WE WERE IN THE RIGHT."

It started off strong and then just retreated back into Persona 4 territory with generic good guy vs bad guy shit. The story's tone should have remained the same as in Kamoshida Palace throughout the whole game. They blew their load so early.

all of them are hallway simulators, persona 5's hallways just weren't randomized

>t. P5babby

3/4 had weak dungeons, but the enemy design was far better making them more enjoyable. You had to use shit other than just knock down + all out attack ad naesum for 90+ hours

Compared to XB2 and Horizon Zero Dawn. It went up against 2 juggernaut nintendo games.

everything after makoto joins suck

This.

Jesus yeah. Tbh that's why I stopped new game plus, cuz i really didn't want to sit through all the palaces again.

It's the same thing for any argument mate. It's Yea Forums fags are gonna think of retarded reasons to defend something. Just some are more pathetic.

>You had to use shit other than just knock down + all out attack ad naesum for 90+ hours
Maybe in P3 but I remember P4 falling to that routine too. It's mainly because in P3 you don't get a Once More for hitting all weaknesses at once while in 4/5 you do.

At least the menus looked nice.

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you only get a one more in p3 if you knock down all enemies at once. if you miss even one you don't get it

... oh go on then. Have a (You).
Now run along, you lil' scamp.

A lot, the game ain't perfect but I still enjoyed it.

>makoto
>not futaba
wew

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Yeah that's what I was thinking of. Either way, the change in mechanics made 4 and 5 a lot easier.

nobody is saying you can't enjoy a fundamentally flawed game. it's the people that pretend it's perfect that are the problem

the second half of the story is fucking retarded
still a good game though

>They were never called out on what they were doing
See, they kinda of had a moral argument against them to start off with, which was quickly dropped as every villain after Kamoshida was literally just Saturday morning cartoon villain-tier. How could you be in the wrong when all the people you're targeting are literally 100% evil?

3 > 5 > 2 > 4 > 1
You literally can't deny this

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Is there a worse archetype than the 'genius hacker who can solve anything with a few key strokes'?

oh yes I can

p5 was waaay fucking easier on a huge margin and not just cause of the knockdowns
>easier to manipulate stats and moves meaning if you have even the most basic comprehension of persona you can get max persona stats relatively quickly via strengthening
it is INCREDIBLY easy to minmax in p5 but it's still annoying as fuck because level ups aren't set. trying to minmax in 3/4 is the worst fucking nightmare a human could possibly experience

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yeah and her name is ann
>haha me sexy blonde and that's my character

The only difference between mixmaxing in 3 and Vanilla 4 and minmaxing in P4G/5 is sitting there longer waiting for the dice roll to be in your favor.

FPBP
The biggest issue is how every arc has to split characterization between a new party member and a new villain AND the social commentary behind that villain.
Not to mention the bits it tries to copy from P4 and fails at

user....a name isn't an archetype

>Never got to see where forcing a change of heart made things worse, or where being shitty person was justified
Did the Nips never see Clockwork Orange?

yeah but that amount of time is literally hours
read the rest of the post. the bimbo archetype is worse than the hacker

didn't one of the mementos NPCs, a homeless man, kill himself after you changed his heart and it was completely ignored?

this. Japs definitley make the best games but a lot of these animujrpgs have such bad writing that only appeal to the lowest dregs of society

t. Contrarian

See, it's really a telling social commentary on how Japan views foreigners and

Oh who am I fucking kidding her character is garbage. Hey, remember how they set her up to be the PT's seductress archetype and then immediately dropped that after Madarame's Palace, because I fucking do

Not to mention it's incredibly easy to win pretty much every fight, including the Twins superboss, by using that one Persona with that unique attack that hits like 20 times for massive damage

It kinda did. Okamura's heist ended up with him dead. I know it's not the same but that was the perfect moment to get the phantom thieves going oh shit maybe we should quit. But instead it went to
user the question was, can you name a archetype worst than the master hacker, and you said a bane.

the twins superboss was even easier than the reaper. i remember my first playthrough i couldn't even touch the reaper but destroyed the twins. after i learned how easy it was to minmax the reaper lasted maybe 6 turns at best, and that's WITHOUT the flu cheese

*Name

This.

huge, inarguable facts. the p4 cast's """problems""" are straight out of a wb teen drama from the '90s. beyond that, the rest of the game is nothing but moeshit slice-of-life filler for ironic weebs (which is the real reason why people like it so much). it's the neptunia of megaten games.

Not enough dungeons.
Too much confidant bullshit.
They made the UI look fantastic but also too big and cumbersome so you can't see fucking anything except the UI in some cases. Why make Personas summon behind you while you're choosing skills if you can't see the personas?
Why do physical attacks look exactly like magic attacks now because they removed the way Personas directly attack enemies?
Why make your party not run up into enemies to attack like they did in P3 and P4?

The fusion mechanics are 10/10 perfect though.

Oh right, another thing to bitch about is Morgana. He's obnoxious and annoying and being told what to do makes it seem like you have no freedom or choice in what to do. In P3 and P4 you just had the main character's inner thoughts to dictate whether they were too tired to do something. Now you have this bossy little shit telling you what to do, which contradicts the theme of rebellion and freedom.

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I think makoto, futaba, and haru's dungeons plot weren't bad. The overall direction of the plot was ruined after makoto's though. It's like someone wrote madarame's and kamoshida's scenario and left it to the intern to come up with the rest.

Except the thing is, they know they didn't cause his death. That's why they never questioned their motives, because four times beforehand they stole someone's heart and they ended up perfectly fine. They did the exact same thing for Okumura, so only the addition of some outside factor would've caused his death.

It's also likely that, even if the PTs didn't do anything, Okumura still would've been killed. He was planning to run in the upcoming elections and Shido wasn't about to have some jackass ruining his chances.

>-dont make akechi into adachi. Play him completely straight as the detective who wants to arrest them.
Akechi should have been a re-occuring boss that follows you through some dungeons and battles you trying to catch you and your party. MAYBE he can join you near the end.

i think the amount of dungeons were fine but they needed to be spread in a way that didn't involve doing it all in one day

Haru should've been cut desu

they already cut shiho and that one bitch that shows up in anns route though, cut anymore and the game would be even shittier

this but remove ann, ryuji and morgana instead of the good characters

You spelled Haru wrong

>Cutting best girl

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>confidant bonuses were added to make social links more useful and to bond you more to the characters

>instead it means any character that's not Kawakami or Hifumi gets sidelined super hard because those are the two most important by far and the rest are just moderately helpful benefits at best

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It did lead them to going "oh shit. Maybe we should lay low for a while." I was definitely hoping for something to make them be like oh shit maybe we should stop being the phantom thieves, we are just brainwashing people. Maybe have a the answer 2.0

This. I don't know why they made him into adachi expecially since the last game made that the twist.

I was hoping he would be this game's shinjiro in he dies by shido's hand. So in the end I was definitely hoping for a more of a "hey stop killing people" and a "shut the fuck up you stupid kids you're the one brainwashing everyone."

That skirt is not within school regulations

>Also the guy in that post ignores how Adachi fucking killed people
Adachi didn't kill a single person. Play the fucking game

I think Ann, Ryuji and Morgana's chemistry was actually really well done. It's really only after makoto's where most of their characterization gets thrown out the window.

Eh, throw the fortune teller in there too because she helps you rank up other confidants faster. They form the power trio of "max them asap" because without them you're doomed to waste time.

>h-he only ENABLED murder!!

Yeah, and Manson did nothing wrong.

The wardens, Tae, Chihaya, and Yoshida all have better confidant bonuses.

>not mishima for the EXP boost

>It did lead them to going "oh shit. Maybe we should lay low for a while."
But do note that it never led to them saying "maybe we're in the wrong here".

>Unlike fallout 4 its not trying to be anything else though.

>half the game is spent in conversations with characters
>the game is not trying to focus on dialogue at all, so it's okay the dialogue system is utter shit

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Morgonna should have been female instead of teddie 2 lusting after ann

>Knows tv kills people
>Throws saki and the reporter in the tv.
You can argue that he didn't know the reporter was gonna die but saki was definitely a murder.

Don't be retarded and be like "durrr but the tv killed them".

Hey officer I didn't stab that guy to death, my knife just stabbed him till he died xD

Manson got people to kill for him.
The people who died in the tv world died because they couldn't accept themselves
You are a fucking retard with retarded analogy.
If i leave my gun in a room and leave the room, then you decide to use the gun to kill yourself does not make me a killer

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>lol ohya
>duplicating skill cards is useful like once and then never again
>toranosuke's actually gets worse as you upgrade it because you can't ask for money multiple times if you get the "big money" proc
>fortune is broken
>tae is just the store, completely useless if you know how to play the game
>everything beyond tower rank 1 is useless
>mishima is just nothing
>fool is nothing
>magician is infiltration tools meaning every rank beyond 1 and the one that gives you the skeleton key is useless
>every party member is nothing
>coffee is ok
>futaba just makes the game slower
>justice is nothing
>strength is just something that should've been baseline in ng+
>hanged is LITERALLY nothing
the disparity is mind boggling to say the least

>

This.

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When you manage to stop actually evil people like molestors and abusers from harming kids, you don't ever think that you're in the wrong.

Oh yes I agree. They were on the right path but just decided "nahh let the phantom thieves be in the right.".

Another fix I liked to add is the shido boss to the final boss was so fucking jarring. You don't build up this dude as the end guy and then just blueball the player from any reward or fulfillment. That's dumb.

>voiced by a girl in both languages
>looks feminine
>named after a girl
>nah lol its a horny boy cat lol

>HEY JOKER WHAT SHOULD WE NAME THE PHANTOM THIEVES
>WOW THAT NAME IS GREAT
*continues to ignore said names and refer to them as the phanthom thieves for the rest of the game despite the new name*

brainlet

The CEO was at the right step.
It's been a while since I played the game but iirc they started going like "are you sure we should do this?" "Aren't we just acting like mercenaries for hire?"

No, but you're still likely going to go to prison for criminal negligence.

>literally toss someone into a world full of demon monsters and a deranged lunatic shadow who WANTS to kill you
>duhhhhhh adachi did nothing wrong!

More like if you threw me into a room with a hungry rabid dog and I died because I hadn't mastered the art of dog taming.

TOO FUCKING LONG

p-pls respond...

no

The largest problem for me was 100% the characters. They ranged from annoying as fuck (Morgana and Ryuji) to just boring (Makoto, Ann, autist painter). Not only that, but the story is super drawn out and predictable. Why the hell do you spend 60+ hours in a goddamn flashback where you already know how it ends? It completely removes any sort of tension to the story. You already know that the phantom thieves get caught, so why the hell do you spend most of the game getting to that point?

In addition to this, they barely improved the dungeon design. Yeah it looks a lot nicer than anything in P4, but gameplay wise it's almost identical. Each dungeon is also filled with annoying fucking gimmicks that did nothing but waste even more of my time. None of the "puzzles" they put into them actually require any amount of thought. All of the bosses were piss easy too, I ended up beating most of them on the first try.

Overall, the game is just too long and tedious to be actually enjoyable. This would have been mitigated if the story and characters were at least tolerable, but they don't even manage to do that. P5 made me retroactively like 4 because of how awful it was all around.

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No, get FES.

Nothing really.
Just P5Babies ruined the franchise worse than P4Fags could ever even fathom. The posts in this thread is fucking proof of that.
I think P4 is Scooby doo tier shit but at least they aren't Baby's first Persona Zoomer P5 faggots

>More like if you threw me into a room with a hungry rabid dog and I died because I hadn't mastered the art of dog taming.
remove the dog with yourself brainlet

Yes but only if you've beaten FES. Portable literally tells you when picking femc that it's made for people who've already beaten the original, and femc is the only reason to pick Portable.

voice acting ruined rpgs

>The people who cry about 4 are brainlet edgelord retards who can't understand basic story beats.
Oh I get it. Remember to always do the opposite of what Yea Forums says.

characters came way too late in the game.

>entire thread is people shitting on p5
>LOL P5 FAGS ARE ZOOMERS LOOK AT THE THREAD
???

>Danganrongafags

How do you not understand how the tv world and shadow works?
They literally explain it to you in the first dungeon

This is Corrin all over again. Morgana's shit no matter the gender, just because it makes your peepee hard doesn't mean the character is "improved"

Nice argument fag

this. a fellow patrician.

they would have been a completely different character though

it's not even the voice acting that's the issue (the voice acting in english IS an issue but not this specific issue)
When your character is called by name the written dialogue will have your name but the voiced dialogue will say a generic line
>written is "oh hey nigger good job"
>voiced is "oh hey man good job"
this is fine. the phantom thieves name issue is
>hey lets name the phantom thieves something other than the phantom thieves
>every instance of both voiced AND written dialogue from there until the end of the game refers to them as the phantom thieves
You don't even see the name you chose ONCE unless you have that shitty useless online feature turned on where a random player can one shot the enemy for you

Can I just honestly ask why the tone shifted so fucking much in the game and promotional material? There are times in the game when it felt like I was reading a really good seinen drama manga. Then it just pulls a "yo we're better then these shitty adults xD, fricking corruption and shit amirite bro?”. The smash release trailer for joker made me a bit embarrassed. Even the Japanese dub sounded a bit too flowery for the cast in the game.

Hell even the side games tone is way too happy but that's excusable.
Yes. It's great for portability. I don't know why people shill FES to death. It's the same game anyway. You just really lose out on the 3d world and anime cutscenes but that's fine.

Not the entire thread, stupid bitch
Don't (you) me again saying dumb shit, ya simp

>niceargumentfags

>All these people not understanding how the TV-World works
Wow, so this is the power of P4 fags

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Voice acting ruins all JRPGs and not just Persona 5 because you have to listen to the same 2 or 3 lines in combat. P3 is probably the worst I've ever seen because they gave Fuuka the least lines of any of the navigators and she chimes in all the time.

You're one of those people who unironically thinks you'd be able to face your shadow because "I already know I'm a shitty retarded neet"

that's just laziness. you can easily record more variable lines, like the dialogue when driving around in mementos. you don't too terribly often hear the same dialogue repeated ad nauseum

>dude just accept yourself xD
Not going to lie if someone just outright called me out of my bullshit of course I'm going to reject it. People (myself included) want to believe we're good people. This is like throwing someone into a room with a monster that kills yourself for making a noise. xD all you had to do was not make a sound.

No, I'm saying the shadow is you.
Fucking retard holy shit.
The shadow is literally you

Speaking of Mementos, whose fucking bright idea was it to make that shitty droning song loop for like 100 fucking floors? Why couldn't you change the background music, Morgana transforms into a fucking van, surely he has a radio.

>fuuka can change the radio in a 400 story tower with her mind but the magical car cat can't
I fucking hate the mementos track but even worse than the music was the sound of the fucking van
>WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRR
CAN YOU TURN INTO LIKE A SKATEBOARD OR SOMETHING QUIETER MAYBE A BIKE
FUCK I'D RATHER WALK ON FOOT THAN HEAR THAT SHIT

>Throw somebody into the African Savanna with no supplies or information because they wouldn't sleep with you
>le did nothing wrong XD
Remember that your shadow isn't the only shadow there. Almost like you didn't play the game you're bitching about

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No, it isn't. Yes, it's a part of you, but it's not "literally you." Shadows in Persona 4 (and 2) are actively malevolent and want you to fail to accept them. Because the psychology being referenced acknowledges that people are generally unwilling to face the worst aspects of their own personalities.

Is it karma that those who played p5 first are already shitting on p3 and p4 for looking too old?

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Okay let's get this straight. No more bullshitting you fucks.

You get pushed into the tv world, the real world gets progressively more foggy while you're in the tv world. When the fog clears, that's when the shadows started going crazy and kills people if they aren't accepted.

Does anyone want to contribute with this description rather than reeeing over you're wrong?

No because people don't shit on 1 or 2 for being too old. They shit on them for being awful

where the fuck did you get "the real world gets progressively more foggy while you're in the tv world" from? It just gets foggy on certain days people being inside has nothing to do with it

Try playing the game before discussing it

Uh-hu.... I see people in this fandom who constantly equivilate looking "too old" with being "awful" though.

I'm sure you believe that you do. People often invent scenarios in their head that let them feel special and "above" the plebs.

Because overall the theme of rebellion against a corrupt system is kinda played out and cartoonly done.

I think the reason P5's main theme doesn't take a more critical hit is that the US is currently going threw a political maelstrom of shitty adults and stupid kids fighting for power, P5 happens to agree with the stupid kids for the most part on a surface level.

In comparison P3 and P4's main themes are timeless and effect people of all ages, since accepting death and accepting yourself/the truth are just better themes for stories and characters then rebelling against a corrupted system/individual its not all bad in that it isnt completely one sided but boy it feels that way sometimes.

>Try playing the game before discussing it
Contribute you fucker. I don't remember every bread I've ever eaten in my life. I just read up on some stuff to get a refresher insufferable faggot.

I swear don't the game over scenes happen on the foggiest days?

yes the game over scenes happen on the foggiest days but those days are foggy regardless of people being in the tv you fucking idiot

Projecting much? I bet you never even played p1 and p2 though. And if you did actually be descriptive for once

Generic japanese high school haram shit

They do. It's explicitly stated that the fog comes after a lot of rain and the fog in our world makes the fog in the TV World disappear. I'm guessing the anons attacking you are misremembering

Come on dude no need to call me an idiot.
X happens every time Y happens. It's not my fault I think it's a connection.

the fog coming after the rain is independent of someone being inside the tv

>Because overall the theme of rebellion against a corrupt system is kinda played out and cartoonly done.
It could've been done well, but as was said before, P5 basically holds your hand throughout the gameplay and the plot. There are no shades of gray here, only pure black and pure white, because god forbid Atlas force players to maybe sit back and think a little in a game based off of Jungian psychology

Anyone? Is it just because they were catering to anime fans? Or was it some writing staff issue?

Exactly. And the fog leaving the TV makes the shadows go berserk.

SMT went from this to being a dating sim.

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the point was that the first user is saying people being inside the tv causes the fog

and not even a good dating sim. atlus either need to dedicate the persona franchise into being a vn or being a jrpg because splitting it into two is ruining both aspects

I played them because I got memed by Yea Forums. I thought the combat was monotonous and had even less strategic depth despite throwing a bunch of elements at you. Fusion was made tedious especially in 2 which also has the worst and most braindead combat in the whole series. Everything feels like moving through molasses and the battle animations make nusonas feel like Bravely Defaults by comparison. The dungeons are "complex" in ways that just make them more annoying while not adding any real actual depth. Characters and story are severely overhyped, the best part of the games is talking to the NPCs.

Feel free to deflect or post a buzzword if me disliking a toy you like makes you upset.

I thought you were winning? Crying about a more popular subseries all day doesn't feel like winning.

How about I take a third option and post an image making fun of you

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That's basically equivalent to just calling me a cuck so it falls under option 2.

Dang, and here I was thinking I was being clever

I don't actually have any ill will towards you, I was just trying to be funny. Is 2 really that bad?

>Dungeons were insanely boring
>Characters react to every little thing in dialogue, making even the simplest puzzles a chore
>Some activities are more efficient than others, so you'll easily miss out on a lot of them
>Ending is abrupt and did not give enough time to do everything in a single run - by design, but replayability is hampered by the sluggish pace of the game, especially in dungeons and not being able to do everything ends up just feeling frustrating
>Akechi as a whole felt mishandled

Still, enjoyable enough to feel like a solid 8 to me.

Dammit, I just want to bust my nut to Ann Tamaki. Is it really that hard for Atlus to write her like a seductress?

Tae, Hifumi, and Kamakawi, Sae were sex goddesses saving the game.

With Ann, It feels like they they were trying to recreate the mage of Rise in modern Japan, but didn't understand why people wanted to raw dog her.

Literally who?

>autist painter
and you were doing so well.....

I think 2 is probably the worst in the series. But I would encourage at least trying it out yourself because maybe you'll like it. You can literally get through 2 with nothing but your starting Personas and fusion spells. As someone who's played Xenogears to completion, 2 is the slowest most monotonous JRPG I've ever played.

>Is it really that hard for Atlus to write her like a seductress?
To be fair, she's a stupid teenager. Even if she was the seductress she'd be overtly clumsy or too overbearing because she's inexperienced. Note that she's also incredibly uncomfortable when Yusuke wants to paint her naked.

SMT crumbled because it changed premise from an average human surviving against hordes of demons to fighting against YHVH with or without Lucifer.

The franchise peaked at Noturne and shit the bed after that because Atlus wants to do homages to II where Protag and Satan team up to fight YHVH.

We need mor Edgelords like Nakijima or the cocksucker from Tokyo revelations.

2 is the epitome of a game where you have to suffer through a lot of garbage gameplay to get to the story. It's worth it, but god fucking damn it was hard to go on sometimes. EP fixes the problem somewhat by increasing the difficulty and requiring more attention to fusion and team comp, but IS is genuinely one of the biggest slogs I've ever played.

Was worth it for the cutscene where you emerge from a feelsy dungeon cutscene and just look up in the sky and see the fourth reich descending in decepticon airplanes though.

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Ann is just an instagram thot. She's okay with bikini and underwear shots, but won't get naked.

This is why Tae is better, she doesn't hide the fact that she wants to fuck you hard.

>Was worth it for the cutscene where you emerge from a feelsy dungeon cutscene and just look up in the sky and see the fourth reich descending in decepticon airplanes though.
Alright, I'm sold.

Most of the adults don't, actually. Haru's also pretty obvious that she's crushing on you hard even before she joins your party.

I feel like they worked really really hard to make the first arc good that they tired themselves out when they had to write the rest of the game.

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Its a great game but casuals just hate playing it because its not the dating sim ween shit they expected. Its more of a classic dungeon crawler they have never played before

That being said why is there no on point proportion porn of the cast? Most of the porn I see has hips of planets and nipples the size of maras. There's a few exceptions but God dang dude the only on proportion stuff is softcore stuff.

Also
No fortune teller girl porn :(

Isn't the point that the problems weren't that bad once they confronted them and that small character flaws can grow out of control if they are denied and ignored?

>Casuals
You can beat the game with starter Personas you pretentious fucktard.

you're probably one of those brap fetishist

Why would anyone want a dating sim in a SMT game? Female demons are easily offended and PMS tier.

The whole Inanna-Toki plot line in Apocalypse is the closest thing to a dating sim we'll get in mainline.

fetish artists are obsessed with P5 girls

The P5 Girls are the only group with mainstream appeal. Yukari, Mitsuru, and Fuuka are High Maintenance.

Didn't P4 had at least a few voice lines for things they expected the player to do often? (like MC knocking down one enemy). It doesn't sound like too much extra work if you focus on the ones you expect to hear often. (also what happened to the cross talk between characters mid battle?)

Based

>high maintenance

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You need Max Courage to date Fuuka in P3. She's greatest good tier, while Yukari is Sex Goddess tier, and Mitsuru is a War Goddess

It's not like SLs weren't skill-gated in P5, though. Going through Haru's SL needs you to have Rank 5 Proficiency, and going for Makoto needs you to have Rank 5 Charm and also Rank 4 Intellect, if I remember correctly.

Why do I need Max charm to hear Makoto talk about her friend and do nothing?

Because Makoto needs you to look "good enough" to go on a double date for her friend to talk about stupid shit.

Despite the fact that raising Charm doesn't change Joker's physical appearance in the slightest.

Ah, but the thing about the courage stat requirement is that the MC himself is the one that chooses not to hang out with Fuuka.
Both Mitsuru and Yukari are the ones that say no, but in Fuuka's case she never expresses not wanting to hang out with you, regardless of if you're courageous or not.

The only thing Fuuka looks for in someone she loves is a lot of optimism and kindheartedness.

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How do we rid the fucking world of fuukafag's toxic influence

ah but super smash bros ultimate.

This is arguably worse than Ann whining about "Muh Shiho"

Fuck, at least Yukari is a lot nicer in her S.Link.

>he thinks people don't find someone more physically attractive based on charisma
lol

At least "Muh Shiro" gave Ann some characterization in a game that is sorely lacking in it.

Makoto's a fucking robot whose SL isn't even about her until you hit Rank 10

Yes, sitting in a booth with Makoto and saying absolutely nothing really does let Joker's charming force of personality really show itself.

t. sits around silently looking like an autist instead of sitting around silently looking like a deep and introspective chad

The problem I have with "Muh Shiho" is that Ann's telling us about her instead of showing the viewer Shiho recovering.

Akihiko and Shinjiro's Arc worked because we see him interact with each other. Shit, Junpei Arc was god tier because we see him interact with Chidori. Locking story elements behind S.Links was a mistake.

>Turn-Based RPG but no backtracking allowed in order to grind.
>Flipflopping between dating sim and RPG
>Silent leader protagonist just lets life buttfuck him dry despite it causing problems for others.
>Far too much wandering around town.
So uhh...pretty much core concept.

The increasing popularity of both Japanese animation and games invited in a lot of newfags.

The game got more non-linear. I think after the second palace, the game started to open up more and it just gradually got worse. The decently paced narrative got replaced with the game telling you you're free to do what you want, but locking you off days with events.

As far as I remember, the game pretty much started to drag during the summer holidays. After Haru's intro and palace, I wanted to cleave my own skull in.

the first point is moot as mementos has the shadows from the palace you were just in after you beat the boss, but not being able to go back to the old palaces is fucking dumb too. It ends up meaning you NEVER have to use any of the little shortcuts you unlock

Nothing went wrong since it's the best game in the series.

>>Once Makoto gets introduced the team gets retarded
Based Kawakami retard. The team stayed the same but Makoto, the smart character, showed how retarded they really were.

I'm not going to lie, P5 being unreplayable was a mistake. There's just no incentive to play the game a second time.

At least P3 had a compelling story and time constraints to keep you coming back. P5 has none of that.

...

>At least "Muh Shiro" gave Ann some characterization
LOL

Nothing went wrong the game is near perfect. P3shitters and now rosterfags are the only people who seethe over it and they both have no room to talk

>At least P3 had a compelling story and time constraints to keep you coming back
pffthahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

>any persona having more replay value than 5
This is bait is trying too hard, be more subtle next time

Fuck, I didn't realize how long Summer dragged on in P5 until you pointed it out. Only P3 had the best Summer as MC did something different each day.

Bad characterization is still better than zero characterization, user.

I'd rather hate a bad character than have to pretend a brick wall is a character.

This.

i'd rather sit in tartarus for 2 years than ever fucking think about shido's rat maze again

>That time in the dungeon when you think the game is giving you a puzzle to work out, but it's actually just there so Makoto can point it out after you've already figured it out just to build her "smart" character.
Fuck this lazy writing. Holy shit.

>Bad characterization is still better than zero characterization, user.
I agree, Makoto is better than Ann.

Low-tier bait.

Hard to swallow truth.

>Smash DLC comes out to a lot of attention
>anti-P5 shitters come crawling out of the woodwork
every fucking time

>it’s a meme criticism
If you unironically struggled at all on the rat puzzle then you are retarded, that shit was easy as fuck. It’s pretty much a brainlet filter tiny part of the game and you fell for it. Tartarus is complete trash but also easy as hell

Ann's SL in 4 meme arrows
>I want to be strong for shiho
>did I mention I want to be strong for shiho?
>I really want to be strong for Shiho
>SHIHO!!

oh no I didn't struggle on the rat puzzle, it was just the most tedious fucking thing in any video game ever

5 has no replay value because the story drags on. It's possible to beat the dungeons before their dates and still have enough time to hang with friends. Those fucking texts were annoying, and made it felt like the characters have no life outside of the Phantom Thieves.

The Confidants like Sojiro, Kamikawa, Mishima, and even Tae are good because they do something outside of their S.Links

>literally 20 minutes out of one dungeon in a 120 hour game
Fuck off with your meme criticisms, it was easy as shit and took no time at all

>favorite games and best games are separate categories

What a fucking lesbian.

It's not disliked because it's hard, it's disliked because it's an extra helping of tedious, unnecessary bullshit in a dungeon that's already long as fuck.

Criticism of the game's problems doesn't mean we hate it, user.

Cope.

The biggest problem is that you only really enjoy Kamoshida's arc (Discovering the game, a villian that feels real, a good dungeon...) and the end of the game or the chaos route (The game's story gets interesting, the enemies are dangerous, you get the high level personas, and the end it's apotheosic Shooting that God in the face with Satanael)

There's nothing to do in P3's summer when most of the good social links aren't available

>cope
Of course a redditor would rather Ann over Makoto. Nothing new here.

>120 hour game
I think you're the real shitter here user. game is 80 tops if you've ever played a jrpg
and 20 minutes of
>go through loop as rat
>open door
>go through same loop and second loop as rat
>open door
>go through first two loops and third loop as rat
>open door
is far worse than the entire rest of the game combined as far as I'm concerned

I don't like either of them, Fuckley.

>Criticism of the game's problems
Is that what this thread was about? Because all I can see for miles and miles is seething about shit that either doesn't exist or was completely misconstrued by people that are just plain upset something didn't go the way they wanted it to.

Like every person that thinks that Akechi should've been played straight - I feel like if every single one of these people were to die all at the same time, the world would be a better place.

The characters of P3 have actual lives.They're not beta orbiters who hover around MC for guidance. Kaz needs time to recover, Kenji needs to study for college, and Student Council President needs time to stop being aLaw Fag.

Now this is autism
Again fuck off with meme criticisms, if you find that tedious you haven’t played JRPGs or any other MegaTen games.

Thank god Atlus doesn't listen to the west because this thread is pure fucking hot garbage.

>Is that what this thread was about?
The OP post literally asks "What went wrong?". I know it's an overused stock phrase to open up a thread for shitposting but in here at least we're discussing why the game we all played was bad and how it could've been done far better.

>I don't like either of them, Fuckley.
>thought I was baiting when I said Makoto is better than Ann
Ok redditor annfag.

item worlds in disgaea 5 are less tedious than the rat maze

Rate the arcs
Kamoshida 10/10
Madarame 8/10
Kaneshiro 6/10
Futaba 7.5/10
Okumura 5/10
Sae 9/10
Shido 7/10
Final 7/10

>when /pol/ tries to make a game criticism
Stop talking in memes retard you have no valid argument

>not bestially lusting after the perfection that is Chie
yikes!

>Kamoshida 10/10
>Yea Forums
of course

>3 has the best summer because it doesn't drag
>Well actually it does because there's barely anything to do and half the social links are missing
>O-oh that's just a brilliant story telling device

I forgot I was talking to a 3fag.

>Futaba 7.5/10
Oh yeah I loved the 40 days free time doing absolutely nothing.

kamoshida 7/10 but unfinished
literally everything else 4/10 at BEST

...come on dude.

I like Chie's voice in Persona 4 original. The VA nailed the down to earth vibe. She's not outright malicious, but just dumber than Yosuke

Ann is a bad character. Makoto is even worse. Need I remind you that she was made into the party's strategist despite almost getting the PTs under Kaneshiro's thumb because she went full fucking retard, and that EVERYONE in the party sucks her metaphorical dick over how """smart""" she is?

Makoto is a fucking travesty, because when she's not a robot she's a fucking retard, and when she's not a fucking retard she's a robot.

Ann is bad because her character solely revolves around "muh Shiho", which still gives her an ounce more personality than fucking Makoto. It's not a good personality, mind you, but it's one is always greater than zero, as you should know if you completed preschool-level math.

Can P3fags go one day without getting BTFO? Their retarded arguments always crumble

How was kamoshida unfinished? I felt like the arc was exactly my expectations of what persona 5 was going to be.

>Makoto is even worse
Wrong
>Need I remind you that she was made into the party's strategist despite almost getting the PTs under Kaneshiro's thumb because she went full fucking retard
Yeah ONE time she fucked up because she wasn't herself. After that she was fine being the strategist , retard.
>and that EVERYONE in the party sucks her metaphorical dick over how """smart""" she is?
Because she is.

shiho was clearly supposed to be more plot relevant
>fully drawn sprited and voiced to only show up for 8 minutes

>and how it could've been done far better
How the narrative could've been if it pandered the kind of person that looks at the game as is and sees handwaved morality or cartoonish villains, instead of the game's extremely blatant view on personal justice, you mean.

>>fully drawn sprited and voiced to only show up for 8 minutes
Mika also had voice and spirits. Doesn't mean shit.

>clearly
haha ok so you have nothing

yeah, a character that is universally known to have been cut from other shit

I wouldn't say the arc was incomplete. It's just your expectations of the character for shiho was off.

Yeah honestly. 5 doesn't have the best story but I'm looking at the "brilliant ideas to fix the story" posed in this thread and all it does is make me happy none of you idiots are in charge of anything.

Fuck you user.

>that reddit spacing

>Wrong
Oh right, I forgot I was talking to a Makotofag, who literally worship the ground their waifu walks on. I forgot you can't reason with these mongoloids.

>the one time she fucked up she wasn't herself
Yeah, and it led them into a fucking situation where they had to win or basically be fucked for the rest of their lives. That's quite some fuckup, and nobody ever holds it over her head despite the fact that they should.

>Because she is.
She's not. She only seems smart because Atlus made everyone else a fucking retard after she joined just to make her common sense observations seem intelligent. Makoto could say "this wall is blue" and everyone would praise her for her 5 IQ observation.

>first arc is actually an exploration of how power is used to exploit people and victims feel helpless to do anything about it, a thing we see all the time

>second arc is about a guy who uses fame to exploit artists for "exposure" instead of actually helping them, which is a little less relatable but okay

>literally everything after that except maybe Futaba's palace is about how we live in a society

They had the right idea but definitely ran out of steam in terms of ways to explore it

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This.

>there are people that played this game and actually think is
Or maybe there aren't. Maybe half of this already super small minority watched the game on twitch.

Your mom decided not to blow your dad on the night you were conceived

>Oh right, I forgot I was talking to a Makotofag, who literally worship the ground their waifu walks on. I forgot you can't reason with these mongoloids.
Not an argument.
>had to win or basically be fucked for the rest of their lives
Doesn't matter, they wanted to meet Kaneshiro and she made it possible. If the PT were so just then they wouldn't have a problem dealing with it.
>and nobody ever holds it over her head despite the fact that they should.
No they pretty much called her out for it.
>Atlus made everyone else a fucking retard after she joined just to make her common sense observations seem intelligent
No, they stayed the same but now you have an actual smart character so you just realized now that they are indeed retarded.

>Okumura isn't something that happens every day

>that reddit spacing.

>Fortune is shit
>Mishima 's equal exp and exp bonus gives you streght and versatility
>Tae is for cleanning dungeons in one day
>Party member upgrades are very usefull specially baton pass and ailment recovery
>Coffee isn't very usefull because making meals wastes time
>Futaba it's game breaking (Heat riser in group)
>Tower gives gun skills allmyghty and a free knock down
We played different games

The motivation wasn't there for that arc though. The phantom thieves only did it because people said they were bad. There's no emotional element over that heist.

>corporations r bad and mistreat workers
ah yes wow, this is definitely just as hard-hitting as a literal rapist getting away with it because he's abusive enough to push the school volleyball team to victory

truly a society

>you that she was made into the party's strategist despite almost getting the PTs under Kaneshiro's thumb because she went full fucking retard
She was stressed out. You would be irrational like that if your sister called you a leech, the principal throwing you under the bus, and having a faggot and a whore roast you for not doing anything.

>I forgot I was talking to a Makotofag
litterally not an argument
>it led them into a fucking situation where they had to win or basically be fucked for the rest of their lives
That's every situation in the game.
Yusuke blackmailed them into letting Ann do nude paintings.
>nobody ever holds it over her head despite the fact that they should.
They did. Did you play the game?
> everyone else a fucking retard
Ann and Ryuji were already portrayed as retards before she even joined

>Working people to the point of sickness for your own personal gain isn't a serious crime
The bottom line is, Kamoshida's arc is edgier and more melodramatic so you like it more
We get to see Okumura being bad through his own daughter and also the interactions in the palace.

>Need I remind you that she was made into the party's strategist despite almost getting the PTs under Kaneshiro's thumb because she went full fucking retard
Need I remind you that without Makoto Joker would have died? Makoto is not retarded but you on the other hand...

Neither honestly happen every day in the cartoonish way P5 presents them.

Persona 3 was the only game in the "revival series" that did party members right. Out of the nine party members, four are established from the start with two actually starting out as playable from the moment you enter Tartarus and one serving as your navigator. You already have half your full party within the first in-game month. Akihiko and Fuuka join in the following month with Mitsuru becoming a regular combat member. Aigis joins shortly after, then Koromaru quickly after and then Ken a bit after that. The game's story begins in April, and by September, your final party member Shinjiro joins. So by the halfway mark, you already have your full party. Furthermore, Shinjiro has a large subplot devoted to him, so even though he's the last member to join and only stays for a month, he leaves a lasting impression. So even though Persona 3 has the largest playable cast of characters, it also has the best pacing when it comes to introducing them.

Persona 4, however, while it does introduce three party members more or less off the bat, it falls into an unfortunate rhythm where one new member is inducted per in-game month, except Naoto. So even though there are only seven characters and the game's story begins in April, you don't get your final party member, Naoto, until October.

Persona 3:
>April: Yukari, Junpei, Mitsuru
>May: Akihiko, Fuuka
>June: N/A
>July: Aigis
>August: Koromaru, Ken
>September: Shinjiro

Persona 4:
>April: Yosuke, Teddie, Chie, Yukiko
>June: Kanji
>July: Rise
>October: Naoto

Persona 5:
>April: Morgana, Ryuji, Ann
>May: N/A
>June: Yusuke
>July: Makoto
>August: Futaba
>September: Haru
>October: Akechi

It's fucking absurd that in spite of P3 having more characters than its successors, P4 and P5 don't introduce their final party members an entire in-game month after P3.

This

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samefag

>he didn't make kawamommy cook for you

Lol

>cartoonish
There's that word again. I feel like it would mean something if Shadows and palaces were 1:1 in alignment with what was going on in the world and if the fact that they aren't wasn't a key part of the game's ideas about justice that factored into a very heavy theme of perception.

>cartoonish
H I V E M I N D

Is the anime worth watching?

No just play the games

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Yes if you like Kawakami or Makoto.

Already did. P4 was worth watching so I wanted to know if P5 was.

Remind everyone how mentally ill he is
boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/180745080/#180754927
When he stops posting images you know he is mad

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P4 wasn't worth watching.

I stopped playing because having a cat tell me what to do annoyed me.

Suit yourself. I thought it was a fun refresher.

honestly that's a more intelligent reason than pretty much anyone that's tried to talk about the story of the game in this thread had

Fuck off dude.

Kawakami is expensive for the early game and you need to raise her to level 7 so it's still a bad idea until late game

From the bank and onward is when I stopped having fun. Burger palace was so fucking bad that I stopped playing the game after beating it. I was just so burnt out at that point. You know there's a problem with the writing when all the side characters are more interesting than the main ones. I was having more fun talking to the non-party confidants than my actual party members. Also Mementos banter is great and the characters suddenly have more personality but where is all that personality in the fucking main story? Also it had by far the worst "trip" segment yet. What a fucking boring and pointless trip. The only joy of it was macking on Sadayo. Morgana A SHIT and I'm sure most would agree. I get they needed a mouthpiece for another shitty silent MC but fuck they could have done a little better job at it. Morgana didn't need to be fucking attached to your hip the entire fucking game. You get zero reprieve from that little shit and his tantrum moment in the story was so fucking bad and just increased my hate exponentially.

No, the point is that corporate abuse is something we all acknowledge. We can understand it as a dark but possibly unavoidable part of capitalism.

Kamoshida's arc is actually about the psychology of victimization and how it works. It's about the systems that keep abusive individuals in power even when everyone knows what's going on. You get specific and personal insight with Kamoshida's victims and understand how they feel, why they feel it, and you understand the necessity and justice of bringing him down. It might be an ultimately small victory, but you know who you're saving and how you're doing it.

Okumura's arc is about how a bunch of kids, naive to the way economics and power vacuums work, mindbreak a CEO and ultimately fix nothing about the world because how the fuck is taking down one CEO going to change anything? There are countless equally manipulative assholes looking to take his place, it's a problem far above just changing one person.

P5 ultimately proves that it doesn't understand the complexity of any of this shit and just places it on an ultra supergod who was created by humans from the society that we live in.

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kawakami is only expensive if you're dogshit and never negotiate for money. getting her to 10 early is fucking REQUIRED if you want to 100% the game

youtube.com/watch?v=4U_j1hb4CLg
There's just this one little thing where a party member you're dating reacts if you say you want to get married. And that's pretty much it really.

Proper explanation: Requires big investments for obtaning profits. So applying opportunity cost better do another confidant

>side characters are more interesting than the main ones.
Stop reading right there.
Mommyfags aren't allowed to shit on any character.

every line of dialogue from toranosuke is more interesting than every line of every phantom thief combined

I don't get it what are you conveying here?

Because it's just a fun side thing made by the developers, it was never meant to be taken so seriously.

Why doesn't Persona take more from SMT gameplay?

Despite the bad animation, Persona 4 Golden Anime had some kino moments.
youtu.be/RdlXekUHtGA

Keep clicking on the replies and see how an annefag shows up to talk about fuuka

>and ultimately fix nothing about the world because how the fuck is taking down one CEO going to change anything?
It was almost as though their reasons for targeting him had almost nothing to do with any kind of justice or reform and stemmed from a botted strawpoll at the height of their popularity which they later explained in absolutely no uncertain terms because Atlus' writing is about as subtle as BBC up your ass exactly what was going through their heads at the time.

Imagine being this fucking narrow-minded and generally stupid. If anything the writing in these games will get even more obvious going forward because people like you exist.

>kino
so this is what p4fags think is kino

Guess you can't really like anything anymore. Sorry.

Welcome to the fucking genre dude

shout out to this persona i used him the entire game

The only accurate description of the characters in that entire posts were Naoto's and Yukiko's. Everything else is just pure shitpost. Especially the one about Yosuke, and I HATE Yosuke.

This
>No crying about daddy issues
>No terrible love story
>No dopey speech about arcana cribbed straight from Wikipedia
Hell, Adachi's actually a good villain! Don't they know what makes a good story?

I always thought that was kind of the point of Okumura. Only Ryuji and Morgana really wanted to do that job in the first place, and even then, the only one who went initially was Morgana. And the actual catalyst that caused the Phantom Thieves to act was to stop Okumura from selling Haru. They went after him pretty much entirely for one person.

I've read that exact thread before and I really don't see what went wrong there. They had a minor disagreement or some convoluted shit, this isn't a "gotcha" moment for either of them.

he's completely busted and basically fusion bait
>three immunities that early on
>only a handful of levels after unlocking him you can get a persona with null nuke, negating his one weakness and giving a full fourth immunity when fused onto him

Original p4 anime was legit kino. I found it pretty hilarious for the most part. It was even funnier than the actual game. Also that original ending where they actually had Yu confront his own shadow was pretty good and made the show transcend into ludo.

No it wasn't

Remember how everyone thought Ryuji died at the end of the Ship but then he was OK and everyone beat him up for no reason whatsoever. And then Morgana fucks off for 2 months and no one's really mad at him for that.

And even then it's not just being upset at inheriting a family business. Look at any interview from any Ryokan owner ever, it's quite literally the same thing every single day for the rest of your life in an industry that's not even secure anymore. The few times you do get a holiday have to be at very odd times otherwise you lose business. Even in America owning a regular hotel is a difficult job.

>everyone beat him up for no reason whatsoever.
He scared them.

>Morgana fucks off for 2 months and no one's really mad at him for that.
They were go play the game retard

Yeah it was pretty great. I'm glad that they made Yu into his own character even if he's a bit generic.

People in this thread are gonna say otherwise though because you can't like things anymore. Fuck Yea Forums. Honestly fuck you guys

Inb4 seething, cope or whatever dumb ass shit you guys say

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that's a little something we like to call "japanese humor"
>when morgana fucks off
you mean when he does his own fakeout death almost immediately after but isnt bullied because haha funny cat :)

>Nuh uh
Okay.

I don't remember anyone beating up Morgana at the end of P5. I wish they did though.

Oh no. I was even more mad when you end up going to jail and when your return everyone's like oh you're back ;)

Then Morgan's returns and it's like omfg I missed you so much ;-; morganaaaa where were you???

Who fucking knows, it took them years to implement something as basic as turn pass, and even then it's locked behind SLs.

>People disagree with you
>F-Fuck this place you can't anything on here anymore!!!!
Personafans are fucking retards

Its his attitude above all, and how he has a trillion headcanons about fuuka and this guy shows up and tells "maybe its not like that you know?" and ends up sperging out
He shortly left /pg/ after and started showing his illness over here

>I don't remember anyone beating up Morgana
You didn't say that. You said " no one's really mad at him for that."
They were mad since he avoided them for 2 months.

retard

>Disagrees
>Lmao user your taste is shit
>Lmao no ur wrong faggot

No I'm done fuck you faggots. At least explain why I'm wrong or at least add to the discussion all you fucks just say is no u. I'm so fucking done fuck you!

Nothing much, really. Could have done without the whiny Morgana subplot and I wish Haru had more time to be a character, but that's about it.

Fuck you go eat your mom's dick.

Okay

But his attitude was pretty tame

turnbased jrpg.

It's a game about how the establishment is bad, made by a company who believe the establishment is good.

How does it feel to be Dunkey's dick licker?

yeah but they are still teens with teen problems. adachi was right but they were stronger because of their bonds. persona 4 has a better story and setting than every other persona.

lmao dude this game was literally being made during a time when Atlus was in deep shit because of their corporate hierarchy

You're a bigger autist than fuukafag desu

>better story
>doesn't go anywhere and almost non-existent
No user.

A lot of shit already said in this thread, but most importantly
>One battle theme, the rest you have to get in DLC
Why? The other battle themes are pretty good too, there is no reason for it other than to be a greedy asshole who wants more money.

Tora wasn't a party member.

You think kamoshida will make sexual advances/ try to blackmail his way into feMC’s pants?

>goes places and is perfectly existent
Yes user.

spoken like a true p4cuck
the only villain in this series that has ever been "right" was Shido
politicians are old and incompetent? check
most people give no fucks about politics or the future of the country? check
young people are especially bad about this? check (the main characters were literal proof of this)