Can we have a smash rage thread

>Buffing Bowser and DK, who are already good
>No buffs for G&W except his final smash

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I CANT FUCKING SHORT HOP FOR SHIT SO I CANT BE GOOD AT JOKER

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>double jump suddenly doesn't work and you end up self destructing

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I'm angry because I won't be able to get a Switch until May. Does that count? I see all the stages you guys are making, I want IN ON THAT SHIT!

Its cause every zelda player plays the same

>raging over a video game

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Attack button and jump at the same time is an short hop attack shortcut

Also, you’ve really gotta be quick with just a neutral hop

>They keep trying to adjust inkling's roller
>The move that doesnt need changes

>Meanwhile her ink bombs and Up+B are untouched

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Woomy is fine confirmed

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>Fighting a Ness
>Keeps going for the PK fire at every opportunity
>If I’m in the air, he always goes for the PK Thunder

I’m not actually mad, you fuckers are the most predictable shits on the planet, and stomping you shitters out makes me cum buckets

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I wish weight actually meant shit in this game. It's so common to die at 80-100% as a heavyweight but lightweights can routinely live as high as 190%. Shit's so annoying.

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>but lightweights can routinely live as high as 190%
Are you playing fucking Sheik?

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They made mewtwo heavier for some reason even though characters like ridley should be heavier

not him but that's a really bad crutch, it means your aerials can only come out at one specific time in your jump. you can't delay them at all. Which makes you really easy to shield+punish. Plus some combos require delays to work.

I play mostly Ridley and K. Rool. Ridley's not as bad in this department but I swear to fucking god it's so obnoxiously difficult to kill characters like Inkling, Pichu and Falco because they can recover from the depths of hell. Having to go deep every single stock is really frustrating.

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>nobody adjusts their My Music settings
>end up on Gamer or Electroplankton
>no music at all
>other stages end up with shitty unfitting music

>mfw I abuse this to force everyone to listen to Ring a Ding

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holy shit youre bad

You shouldn't have issues killing with either, dude.

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this. it's just a game, bro. Play with level 9 CPUs, that way you won't get mad at another human.

>play dr mario
outplay motherfuckers left and right
>lose solely because of shit recovery
feels great

>Its a Roy with smash balls on with a shit stage episode

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>Get to fight against a a mii
>They won’t stop spamming their specials

>Brawler is an worse equivalent to a Charifag Spamming Fire Blitz.
>Swordfighter is an equivalent of Kirby spamming Up Special.
>Gunner is a Samus but faster.

>Arena with Custom Stages allowed.
>Someone picks their huge ass arena where you can’t die from a Smash Attack at 250%.

Customs were a mistake

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How do you possibly die at 80-100% with K. Rool?

>second fattest fucker in the game
I don't know either

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why r u upset woomy? not enough porn or too much porn?

Mewtwo doesn't do 20% on every hit with fast as fuck disjoints. Ridley is extremely fucking broken.

Not enough porn with her husband (me)

Inkling only needs a bigger ink depletion. You shouldn’t be able to throw more than 1 if not 2 Ink Bombs with one full tank.

>Ridley is extremely fucking broken

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the only way an area breakdown of inkopolis works is if you extend "literally nobody wants to be here" to the entire fucking map

you had one chance and you ruined it

He is combo fodder on the shitter stages you can easily carry him off the side blastzone with a good few characters.

>Ridley is extremely fucking broken

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>Tatsumaki’s off stage instead of BAir on the opponent

Ryu and Ken deserved better.

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>Play against game and watch
>This guy plays on retard maps
>1st stock hits me with a 9
>Spams dair and upB
>Creaming him anyways
>Pull out bob-omb and punish his down air
Based rng

because mewtwo dies at fucking 70-80 and lost his reliable KO moves from the last game (shadowball got buffed at least, so there's a start) meaning he puts everyone into rage longer and dies even faster with his xbox sized hurtbox

honestly doesn't even need more weight, just needs his old up throw and dtilt back and he'd probably be fucking fine

>only play 1v1s
>tfw autoturn doesn't let me hit bairs

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Is Jokers Gun not a projectile? I can't interact with it at all with Game and Watch's bucket.

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Diddy is really good at racking up damage with banana/monkey flip mixups but struggles like fuck to take stocks.
>Not a single buff to his kill options
Thanks Sakurai I might get him into elite sometime this year.

>Dont play for a few weeks
>Having to fight pablo23321 and his mario that 2 stocks me

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Up Smash

I get K.Rools to 150-160% average. I find them one of the more difficult heavy characters to finish off. Stop going for tilts across the stage maybe? Don't you also have a grounding attack?

>like playing underwater
>teabags after every stock
>still loses

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>diddy struggles to take stocks
>can shit out dash attacks or aerials whenever

>1 stock
>Items on FD
>Enemy throws a pokeball
>It's a legendary
>Die
>Leave

>Requeue
>It's them again
>They throw a pokeball
>It's a legendary
>While I'm getting carried off stage they throw another pokeball
>It's a legendary.

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>trying to shield vs snake dash attack while online
it doesn't matter if you know it's coming, you're getting hit unless you put that fucker up before he starts running

>People who play Ike and teabag

UNGA

BUNGA

>Nerf all projectiles
>Buff Corrin and Mewtwo out of all people
>Leave Mac, Bowser Jr., G&W, Rosalina and Duck Hunt in F tier

Use two jump buttons at the same time

>
>Weak Dtilt into Shoryu
>Hadoken instead
Just kill me

I fought a Little Mac who tried to pull this shit on a big stage he thought he'd be able to outmaneuver me on (was fucking Simon of all the characters I could have been)

Still kicked his ass since he was shit. I'm glad we can block these retards so we don't get matched in their clownshow games, let them play retard ball with each other.

Kirby cannot against projectile fags. He is too SLOW

Mewtwo still needs buffs, but they went a long ways towards helping him out with this patch.

If you played him you'd fucking understand. Anyone kicking your ass with Mewtwo had to suffer all the way to that point.

I wish inhale had a faster startup and less ending lag
If you eat a projectile against a fast character you are basically fucked because Kirby just stands there for like two seconds while he eats it
It would be better if you could spit out ANY projectile instead of max strength shadow balls and the like

>tfw fought a Mewtwo in Elite at 4.3mil GSP
>literally rapes me
STOP MAKING HIM STRONGER

Duck Hunt benefits from the projectile nerf on shields

know your spacing
if you inhale close enough to let them charge and attack you during the animation, that's on you
i do this intentionally to people and if they keep falling for it, i'll keep doing it

Not rage but I beat a definitively better player twice because I was playing Joker and he didn't know how to deal with the big dick Persona attacks yet, so I went to say "well played" in the results screen but accidentally said "I've got you now!" instead and I left immediately.
Gave me a chuckle imagining the other dude getting a bit bum tickled from it.

I mean 140% back air at the edge of the stage isn't what i would call easy when you can get killed by some tilts at 100% mid stage the angle on all his attacks are garbage aswell aside from D smash they all send out at close to a really high angle so getting any sort of ledge guard is nigh impossible because by the time they get back to stage they are still halfway between the blast zone and the stage and can either trying landing on stage or air dodge to the ledge.

while i'd like to say that was me i'm past 4.4 on mine

I'm not mad they buffed him it's just they could have done a lot more.
It's been 2 months since the last serious patch and the tiers are barely going to shift and everyone who's bad is going to stay bad.

Name a better feeling than beating pichu with a heavy

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>Wolf
>K. Rool
>Ganondorf
I don't think I've seen a single one that doesn't crouch spam if they're able to get a stock off.

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He still isn't good though

I was dicking around with Dr. Mario at the time.

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honestly if any character needs buffs it's fucking falco

if you want to suffer, play falco, or ask anyone who plays falco about suffering, they'll go on for literally days

>tfw I fought a Joker and beat him
>Our cause is just
That in-character shit should be done more

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don't think so then, doesn't usually match me with 4.3 and the last i've fought on him were a bunch of clouds and g&w

I think it's hitscan like most of Bayonetta's gun attacks.

>Fsmash
>It was a sourspot at the end of his wing and they only get 6 damage
:(

Killing him with Luigi's Up B

>upsmash
>attack is so jank the first hit knocks them away from the second hit that actually KOs
>back air
>doesn't come out right away, short range, needs a sweetspot to KO and Falco can only shorthop or leap into the cosmos at 88mph
>downsmash
>actually not too bad out of shield i guess?
>that's it

and there's all your KO options as Falco aside jumping offstage and trying to fair them

don't even ask about doing damage, because you don't

Dr. Mario and Yoshi are the fucking worst to fight.
>down b down b down b down b down b down b
>down air down air down air down air down air

Dr.Mario doesnt lock you down and magically always get to recover

>Check Daddy Leffen's twitter
>"I've honestly lost a lot of my motivation for competing after 3.0 didn't fix anything I wanted"
>mfw I feel the exact same ever since I read the patch notes and completely understand

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this but with Gourmet Race on Fountain of Dreams. Besides the slight increase in lag from time to time, i think its the perfect map with perfect music for smash

>hated Incineroar at first
>started to enjoy playing against and as him
>even though he's slow as fuck and easy to edgeguard
>doesn't get buffed at all
>Joker fucks him

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>complaining about yoshi down air
of all the shit to complain about, you pick that
yoshi's got so many advantages and ways he can fuck your asshole inside out, if this is what bothers you the most then don't ever fight a good yoshi or you'll literally get your dick ripped off and fed to you

>play a luigi
>dodge his spam grabs or lose
Fun fucking character.

>Play mCorrin
>That went well!
>"That went well!"

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They updated Chrom's victory theme but I still want his end-of-battle plant-sword-in-ground as a taunt. It's not like the animation doesn't exist since he does it in one of his victory animations.

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>spam grabs
They were worse in 4. This one has range but a bit of lag if he misses.

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>Yoshi
Best advice I have for Yoshi is to try to get on top of him in the air. My brother used to play Yoshi non stop which was absolutely fucking cancerous but to think of it he only has one good air move next to egg to fight back. I fucking despise Yoshi, the buff to his recovery was unecessary tbqh. You should not be able to jump that high with no helpless state. Just my opinion and probably wrong because I hate yoshi so much though.

Basically no changes or nerfs and a few buffs is exactly what I wanted out of the patch. That the buffs were to my main is just icing on the cake.

Its the lag that does it you can react to most moves when playing local multiplayer, online you just have to pray your shield is already up or just suck it up and take the hit Zelda's neutral special is my personal peeve trying to punish that on a laggy connection is unbearable.

>don't care about spirits mode
>online is complete dogshit
is there anything else to do in this game?

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Fuck inkling

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i still think corrin was a shit inclusion but i acknowledge that his moveset is creative (aside the counter)

playing male corrin means i can still respect you since it means you aren't a waifufag though, so you're alright

>I WIIIIIIIIN!!!!

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>Joker does the same shit Cloud does with his forward smash where he leans back for the charge but leans forward for the actual move so I always fuck up my spacing
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

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your advice is akin to asking someone to jump in front of a train because yoshi up air is one of his better killing moves and he can juggle you to 40 with it at low percents

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Me on the left

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These niggas on quickplay that turn on items in 1v1s can suck fat nigger dick. i've lost so many fucking fat dubskis to being cheated out of by items. also if we're playing in 10 frames of input delay im fucking SDing. fuck you, use a wired connection retard.

Glad I'm not the only one who had that issue

Well I only play with my brother so this might be a niche strategy he hasn't countered yet

Fucking this. This happened to me so many times. Goddamn now i'm mad

Tell me anons, how the fuck do I git gud at short hopping? I want to main Joker because of his fun moveset but everyone yells me I have to know how to short hop. Is X+Y a legit way of doing it or am I just taking the pussy/easy way out? What's the trick?

in a similarly related issue, smash 4 cloud used to have this weird janky animation for being hit or launched that actually made some followups not work properly on him when they'd work on the entire rest of the cast due to how it contorted his hurtbox

because he wasn't fucking jank enough in that game

REEEE WHY DOES IT HAPPEN EVERY TIME

>EVERY OTHER FUCKING LOW TIER GOT BUFFS
Bayoneta didn't get buffed, she was even hit by the widespread nerfs to projectiles against shields.

someone explain to me why a billion dollar company can't fix netcode for a extremely popular franchise game that's been out for 4 months (almost 5 now) and is making them tons of money?

Where are the smash manor threads? I miss the autism.

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if your brother's playing yoshi and doesn't try to up air he fucking sucks for someone playing him nonstop

there's no reason to fix something that people will still use even if it's broken

I'm mad that joker doesn't get a palus guidance.

>Match starts
>Place mine
>They always change in and get caught
>proceed to edge guard with mine and fish hook
>Characters with shitty recoveries have no fucking chance
It feels so fucking good, This joker fucking SD when I two stock him using this method. I just need to perfect my short hops, i really like staring the match with a down throw into sling shots

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Nintendo can't into online years later

if the game ran through a server first it'd be even fucking slower

X+Y is not cheating it out, try mapping it to Y and ZR, or whatever the top button is on the buttons I can't remember desu

Why does Joker's nair have a 30 frame startup?

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This
Just fuck me right?

because it throws out a disjoint around his entire body and only has like 6 frames of landing lag

it's called balance, play ike if you want that other shit

>try to recover low with Ridley
>dog has fish hook out

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brainlet

>enter a 1v1 random battle arena with a wario main
>Trying to get good with joker so play him
>were both on last stock but im at kill percent
>he tries to do a waft confirm
>have arsene out and he reflects it and kills wario at like 30 percent
>suddenly get a communication error and the lobby explodes

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fuck

Is Y+ZR/LR easier to execute? Might have to try it. Thanks a lot user

It's super easy for me because I wavebounce a lot and just mainly use tilt c stick for aerials

Here check out this video: youtube.com/watch?v=3gbZJn8CHMk&ab_channel=MySmashCorner

Good luck and you're welcome!

>playing against a Game & Watch as Sonic
>keeps spamming Up-B and Down Air
>can't punish because lag
>lose my stock first and take a huge percentage deficit
>adapt and finally even up the stocks
>win by edgeguarding with bair
>"YOU GOT LUCKY"
>no rematch

Why the fuck does it never choose my ruleset? I swear it only chose it Maybe once. I'm getting kind of pissed that it isn't, it's not even that bad, just BF, no items, 3-stock 7:00, yet it NEVER chooses it, it's always items on, hazards on, 1 stock.

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>wanted to get all of my mains into Elite before Joker came out
>got Snake and Sonic in no problem
>still a good 1.3 million gsp off with Ryu and struggling

I wanted to escape from Ryu being garbage in SFV, not play an even worse Ryu

Holy shit are you sub 100k

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I'm a 1v1 Battlefield only fag and I never get other rulesets. Is this a GSPlet thing?

>just BF
More like just UAir

>4.35 milllion GSP
When does Ridley get to elite? I feel like it's been forever.

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>Joker teabagging on every stock, no matter how mundane the actual KO was
>wins first two matches
>loses third then immediately leaves

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You're probably a few thousand away

That's the best part, I'm 2.5 mil and the opponent is usually 3.7 mil, yet they always have items on. it doesn't help that because they are so much higher than me, I get nothing for winning and lose everything while they gain it all and lose nothing. The rich get richer I guess.

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What ruleset do you use for quickplay?

Corrin was a good inclusion, but included in a shitty way. A character for a game that wasn't even out in the states yet getting released as DLC alongside shit like Ryu and Cloud. I'll defend it to the death, but it would have been much better to have them as a base character for Ultimate instead.
My favorite kind of characters are ones that are really sheltered and naive, nothing else on the roster really delivers on that for me. As far as I've seen no other main protagonist in smash has those juicy major personality flaws that genuinely fuck them over.

GOOD

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I'm at 4.38m and basically just barely in Elite. So you're pretty damn close.

Also fuck you, that filename made me laugh.

The projectile nerfs actually fucked samus up bigtime more than any other character. Being able to shield break with missile and shield was a huge part of the pressure that neutral b adds to the game. Good riddance.

Missile and neutral b*

no better feeling than side taunting at the beginning of the match on coliseum as mCorrin while lost in thoughts all alone (JP) is playing in the background

I put in my first post
>BF
>3 stock
>Items off
>7:00
What I'm usually put up against is
>Hazards on
>1 or 2 stock
>Smash Ball, Assist Trophies, Pokeballs, and Super Flags on
>10:00 or 3:00

Oops

SPLIT THE FUCKING POKEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

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>Trying to use pac against the belmonts
>Have to get past a wall of shit that also knocks away the hydrant instantly

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>getting rid of unique character

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>A character for a game that wasn't even out in the states yet getting released as DLC alongside shit like Ryu and Cloud.
I honestly think that's kind of cool. I still think Corrin is kind of cool because of it.

I like when games, especially crossover games, include something new that ends up being relevant later, be it original concepts or just stuff from future releases. I thought that stuff was cool as shit as a kid. I thought Roy was a neat inclusion for this reason in Melee and I think Corrin was now.

Obviously don't do it a ton, but twice in 70 characters over 20 years is fine. Though I guess them being from the same series makes it a little less interesting and it helps I like Corrin mechanically and visually.

I haven't actually played Fates because fuck paying like £30 for a four year old game with two story routes as major DLCs like come on man

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Haha faggot
I actually lucked myself by winning with Ryu and Ken ONCE to get them to Elite, I haven’t touched them since then and I’m about to lose Ken

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At the very least, I want the option.

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desu that would be cool but what would their down specials be

>throw a hydrant down
>enemy deletes it a half second its put in
>mfw

I don't care about the other two I WANT MY ROCK SMASH
MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCK

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Dumb meme

>Get to 4.34m
>Impulsively start playing in the middle of the night and go on a massive losing streak.

I'm playing the special edition with all routes on Citra right now on a fan patch that fixes some of the localization bullshit. Check out the emulation general on /vg/ my dude. Kinda wish I got english voices because I only know how the character sounds like from smash.
Playing through conquest on hard mode right now and it's unironically one of my favorite games of all time.

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>shit recovery
>easily gimped
>can't bair when I want because can't turn around
>can't edgeguard without risk of SDing
>buffered inputs and lag fucks up true inputs for special moves

Feels bad man

I love whenever someone posts a big list of Elites and almost none match my list.

Fuck some of those spirits in Ultimate

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>tfw I'm the only jackass who wants Mega Charizard X as an echo

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Joker is a cool character but I wish he didn't have a comeback mechanic. it would have been better if the rebellion meter only filled up when he uses Rebel's guard. he would probably need other buffs though, he isn't really even a top tier character in the first place

does the long range gun thing not work anymore? I know it doesn't work on hard mode but I did it on easy I think.

I'm not the only autist that would be upset that it isn't more powerful than regular charizard.

dude seemed like the perfect template to have a rotating ensemble of personas. Keep the basic set of normals but specials change depending on your bro

>arsene
>jack frost
>captain kidd
>carmen

this is just an asspull though

>there are people who STILL use 2-stock, 5 minutes, final destination online rulesets in quickplay
>there are people who turn on final smashes in quickplay
>there are people who actually play with 3 minute rulesets
>there are people who PLAY FUCKING TIMED BATTLES

Just fucking end me.

>All members of the DK crew got buffed
pretty nice, I keep forgetting that they fixed the dong punch

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Equip a staff, fire twice. Win!

>250HP
>3 Stock
>3 Minutes
Hello sudden death

lol I was playing some Link in an arena and beat him as ICs and suddenly a communication error.

Fuck you, every fucking patch there's an Inklink nerf.

She's literally teh Dark sword of Smash

Make it stronger and give it rock smash as a down B, BUT
>only has the regular amount of jumps because it's no longer a flying type
thoughts?

>playing Ryu
>get matched up against Mii Gunner
>3 mins
>2 stock
>Mario Bros stage
>Smash Ball on

Never have I seethed more at a game of smash

i think it's fine is he's just slightly better charizard

trainer-charizard can switch to the decent squirtle and pretty fucking wild ivysaur on a whim

The patch didn't do anything to Inkling, the previous nerf didn't do anything worth talking about either. If they haven't nerfed her uthrow uair by now she'll probably get to keep it forever.

Charizard Y is better, biggot

zard Y's design is 10/10 and a strict improvement of vanilla zard in general, but i figured X has a stronger individual identity and was already in smash prior

That's why you don't do quickplay you doofus.

Are you jump off near the edge, because that could be the case. If you are running toward the edge and you try to jump before you fall off, you might have falling off already and don't know it. This happen to me multiple time. The best way to tell that you already use your second jump is by watching your character. Every character have a unique animation that show you that your jump was different. Learn your characters jumping animation and use that to help you from dying.

This. I want to play more than I do but playing online is such a drastically different beast thanks to my shit internet and the already existing input lag. It feels like a losing situation because I either adapt and learn bad habits or I play and do shit. Offline I do a lot better because my inputs actually respond the way I expect them to when I expect them to. I may not always do amazing but it at least feels like I'm accomplishing something in a match.

The netcode is actually okay... the massive amount of forced buffering is not. Hell, buffering at all is cancer to the game, especially when you can buffer dodges on autocancel aerials. Between that and how there's no momentum, it makes chasedown really annoying. I don't normally listen to Nairo, but he is 100% right about the neutral. People just throw out safe moves back and forth until someone runs into one and then the game starts. It's ridiculously difficult to whiff punish with most characters, and the better characters of the game simply don't bother with it and instead just have ways to get good punishes when they do get in... and have a way to get in.

For all of the cries of balance or broken, it comes down to "if I wanted to be a gay little faggot and camp, could this character do anything about it?" and the answer is no for every low tier.

>i still think corrin was a shit inclusion but i acknowledge that his moveset is creative (aside the counter)

Side B is literally the only creative move. Everything else is derivative of someone else and Corrin doesn't even offer any unique mechanics.

We really need to stop this meme of "muh unique moveset" to justify shitty picks because we're guaranteed one. It's like trying to defend a shitty restaurant because it "has soda" when almost every restaurant has soda.

>Captain Falcon again not even mentioned in patch notes

WHY DO THEY HATE HIM SO MUCH? DID THE NINTENDO STAFF'S WIVES HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH A FALCON COSPLAYER OR SOME SHIT? WHATS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THIS?

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squid kids are gross an unappealing even as lolibait

they're all mutants

>place hydrant down
>use fsmash
>somehow it doesnt get knocked away

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lots of Corrin's A moves are unique or have interesting properties to them, it doesn't justify his pick but it's good that they at least gave him a nonmarth toolkit

>The netcode is actually okay
The big issue with smash's netcode is the matchmaking. I've had great games that were close to lagless, but I've also had plenty stutterfests and games where I'd wat a half second for my character to do my input. There are many times where I get matched up on a mcdonalds-wifi tier connection and have to play a 15 minute match because the stutter is that bad.

honestly this, i find them pretty ugly, and not even cartoony "ugly cute", just ugly

>lots of Corrin's A moves are unique or have interesting properties to them,

They're all pretty fucking generic. At best they only copy from one other character.

Woomy is cute

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how the fuck can you all tolerate the online in this game

Are you fags for real or just being contrarian? Their cute voices and pale skin, orange hair, spats do nothing for you? You're literally gay.

Haha! That’s funny! Atleast it’s possible for your characters to get buffed some time in the future. Some of us are gonna be ignored for the rest of Ultimates life!

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Technically he got a nerf due to dodging getting a nerf.

that's the appeal you dumshit

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his only generic moves are dtilt, ftilt, up air and forward air which are just "swing sword in direction", nair is about a 50/50 since it hits on two sides simultaneously, everything else is unique to him and some even have properties that almost no other characters replicate, like his back air changing his trajectory

Move it, football head

>fighting joker
>land true shoryu no stale
>doesnt die at 103% when Im near 100% damage

I guess hes fat

I literally said woomy is cute in my post

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I agree with this. Way more accurate.

>food analogy
>a bad one at that
>still seething over Corrin
I don't think I'll ever truly understand how much BTFO Corrin caused

>being ignored also meant being unaffected by the "projectiles on shield" nerf
I can make do.

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Joker is like 93 in weight, I think

I think kens shoryu properties are fucked up then I constantly deal with damage anomalies

even furries do it better go look up ambrosia

while posting a typically "non-cute" picture, you can see how that'd be interpreted as sarcasm?

>his only generic moves are dtilt, ftilt, up air and forward air which are just "swing sword in direction",

And everything besides side B.

>nair is about a 50/50 since it hits on two sides simultaneously

.....Like many other nairs

> like his back air changing his trajectory

....like Robs back air

>YOU CAN'T USE FOOD ANALOGYS FOR SOME ARBITRARY REASON

...okay. Let's say I argued that this awful bank was a good one because it allowed you to deposit money into a checking account. Despite this being the bare minimum that we expect from any bank.

>>still seething over Corrin

I'm not, this conversation started because Corrin fans are mad that less than 100% of the earths population likes them. Regardless whatever my emotion is I'm still right. If the angriest person in history was yelling "2 + 2 = 4!" they'd still be correct.

Smash noob here. What numbers constitute weight class? The smash wiki lists the numbers but don't specify who/which is a heavy or a mid. And in combo videos, people often say "fastfallers" but how do I know which are the fastfallers?

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Brawler's projectile is awful though. It's only useful for edgeguarding, which doesn't involve shields at all.

>that stage
>use DK
>DownB

I was just poking fun. Woomy is very cute.

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Corrin is a good inclusion regardless of whether or not the moveset is unique. But still
>Aside from the tipper forward smash has a hitbox while it's charging that combos into the smash.
>Back-Air knocks Corrin forward, ROB also has this but I haven't seen it used for shield pressure and spamming while fastfalling as a recovery option from high up.
>Down smash has a tipper that's only on one side.
>Neutral B paralysis plus the bite allows you to clank attacks with the projectile then immediately follow up with the bite. At high percents it combos into tipper side b.
>Nair is spontaneous dual wielding that covers both sides in a circle at once.
>Unlike other swordsmen's fairs which knock the enemy away, Corrin's knock them upwards which allow for combos with upair as a finisher.
>Forward and back throws have tippers.
>Has a kill throw when most other swordies don't.
>The counter having upwards knockback means it has different places on the stage where it's strongest and it's hitbox is very wide reaching compared to other ones.

All of those tilts besides ftilt mostly serve to feed into his combos.

idk everyones weight but i think bowser is at 147 if that puts things into perspective

jab is unique, dash is unique, all three smashes are unique, up tilt unique, down air unique, back air unique, saying back air is generic because it produces a property similar to rob's when it was already stated that almost no character does this just reinforces the idea that it's a rare mechanic because you are agreeing

distilling attacks down to such baseline mechanics like "stronger on tip" or "dives from air" and saying it's a clone of another attack is like saying every attack is generic because they all do damage, so my only other conclusion to make is you're retarded and not worth talking to

kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

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I looked up ambrosia in e621 and theres only 46 results, which are all shit. Da fuck you mean?

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I only won when Peach committed suicide Before I knew about this strategy. Some of these spirits are bullshit

Jesus, I didn't realise Game and Watch was that light.

No wonder my matches with Ganondorf are always ridiculous.

thanks for revealing that you have shit taste, I won the argument today

Also adding dash attack's multi hit and that Corrin has the most variation in the range of his moves out of any swordie.

So how good is Joker?

>played the same Joker in a lobby dozens of times
>had his stage set to Mementos with the song "Let's Make History" or whatever it was called
>song is still stuck in my head a day later
Fuck you if you're in this theead.

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He's Sheik if she could become Ganondorf for 20 seconds

>Corrin is a good inclusion regardless of whether or not the moveset is unique. But still

This is literally the only argument Corrin apologists give other than the "muh advertisement no one else gets to have" and they're both fucking terrible.

>fsmash having a hitbox while charging

Copied from Ness.

>Back air

Like you said, borrowed from Rob.

>Downsmash

still a generic "hits on both sides" dsmash (to be fair most characters have this problem, but no one shouts "omg so unique" when they do it

>neutral b

Literally just ZSS's except they added something else to the end.

>Nair

a generic "hits on all sides" nair

>Fair

If we go unto things like trajectory being different then even Dr. Mario could count as "unique"

>throws

They're.....just generic throws. There's nothing to say about them. I don't even know what you're talking about with tippers

>kill throw

I'm not sure about ultimate but Corrin's upthrow killed at extremely similar percents to Marth's in 4.

>Counter

Again, if we're going into something like trajectory literally the only non-unique characters in this game are Richter and Daisy.

Absolutely nothing Corrin has makes them any more unique than any non-clone Smash 4 newcomer. If they were nothing but polygons and nobody had any reason to say so nobody would look at corrins and think "that sure is unique!"

feels surprisingly balanced, probably still gonna be high tier but it's not overwhelming like cloud/bayo in the last game, he's like sheik without arsene in that he's fast and has trouble killing (no aerials can ko well without arsene aside offstage fair) so he's stuck with hard reads on his smashes

>had his stage
can not dlc users get the Joker stage online?

Joker is way faster than Ganon with Arsene, dude

>jab is unique
How? It's literally a "three small hits or a bunch of rapid hits"

>dash

No?

>all three smash attacks are unique

The only non-generic one is fsmash and even then it stole an idea from Ness. Imagine if Corrin lost her side b in Smash 6 and newcomer had a move similar to it. Wouldn't it be ridiculous is someone called it unique?

>up tilt unique

No? There's not even a dragon animation on this would so you can't even use that

>down air

Again, really generic down air.

> saying back air is generic because it produces a property similar to rob's when it was already stated that almost no character does this just reinforces the idea that it's a rare mechanic because you are agreeing

I'm saying something isn't unique because there's another move in the game similar to it, yes.

>distilling attacks down to such baseline mechanics like "stronger on tip" or "dives from air" and saying it's a clone of another attack is like saying every attack is generic because they all do damage, so my only other conclusion to make is you're retarded and not worth talking to

Saying that a move isn't 100% exactly like another move is "unique" is basically admitting that Corrin really isn't. You have to dumb down the definition to the point where it means "not a clone" and at this point every character in the game besides like 2 echoes are "unique"

and again, a unique moveset (at least a non-clone character) is guaranteed no matter who gets in Smash so justifying a characters inclusion using that argument doesn't make sense either way.

I'd assume so, I never bought a single stage for the last game and I ended up seeing them all the time online.

Autism detected

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I mean how hard he hits, obviously.

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>join Yea Forums smash arena
>fucker with the name Cunny only using inkling

classic

please come back when you can debate like an adult, you're arguing like an idiot teenager who doesn't want to back away from an argument he never knew anything about in the first place

Because Little Mac is just fundamentally broken as a character
There's no point in buffing his ground game and buffing his air game to a barely usable point would make his overall character way too strong

>disagreeing with me is autism

Because "debate like an adult" means stopping your arguments to insult the person who disagrees with you. Good job you won!

Absorbing his thunder and thundershock with Lucas down B while also reflecting his thundershock with my stick

You must have double jumped and got hit soon after, or didn't touch the stage when you thought you did. 2 circles always appear under your character when you double jump, always look out for that.

Customize your music for each stage and enjoying nice tunes while creaming scrubs :^)

I saw that diddy got buffed a bit. Is he still shit? I miss playing monkee boi

Invite friends over.

Oh, wait.

I’m with you. Great way to appease people who want him as his own character again.

Just remember that its not a serious fighting game. Win, lose, balance, it literally doesn't matter. If you're not having fun just stop playing, because you are playing it wrong

Got matched up with a 4.3mil Link who’s rules were 2min timed on final destination. Don’t know what shenanigans he was pulling but I got some nice gsp out of it.

ganon does better on the ground than Mac at this point. He needs to actually deal damage or be more threatening on the ground to make up for his lack of an air game

Oh also he's the only swordsman with hard falling down air and I'm pretty sure the only character in the game with an attack of that type that's a multihit. It also spikes and with extremely good precision you can combo into a footstool.

Corrin's has a personality type and narrative character type that is very different from anything else in Smash. In addition he is representative of one of the most ambitious Fire Emblem games and since you have shown yourself to speak food analogy, is a huge piece of the nu-fe cake. Corrin develops strong personal attachments with players due to the character's design, personality and the way that the games are set up; but Corrin is also capable of casting a wide net due to cuteness/sexiness. During the launch of 3.0 Corrin was trending over Joker on U.S.A. Twitter because of the buffs. I think in general Corrin brings sensitive people that highly value aesthetics into the game.

>>fsmash having a hitbox while charging
>Copied from Ness.
Gonna stop here, I didn't sign up to be a special ed teacher.

This is why I take Fox into online matchmaking. He is good enough and has a toolbelt that can deal with every retarded scenario the cheesers online are trying to come up with.

Honestly removing taunting from QP only makes the teabagging even worse cause now you cant even taunt each other at the start or on the last stock or anything.

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It's shown as a taunt in the intro video alongside Ike. I don't mind if they replace his actual down taunt really.

>Corrin's has a personality type and narrative character type that is very different from anything else in Smash

Which doesn't show up at all in the game. Corrin shows no personality whatsoever, the winquotes are literally "I won" and "good".

>In addition he is representative of one of the most ambitious Fire Emblem games and since you have shown yourself to speak food analogy, is a huge piece of the nu-fe cake.

So? The game wasn't out, yet. If FE had to go through the same standards as everyone else, that would automatically be a disqualifier. I can turn that around on you and say that Corrin doesn't deserve to be in the game because Fates is one of the least consumer friendly games of all time, requiring over twice the price of a standard 3DS game to get all the content that was available day 1.

>Corrin develops strong personal attachments with players due to the character's design, personality and the way that the games are set up

There are people attached to literally every character in the game. This isn't unique to Corrin.

>During the launch of 3.0 Corrin was trending over Joker on U.S.A. Twitter because of the buffs.

....Because they had an extreme amount of buffs, which was unusual for that patch. If Dark Pit had those buffs he'd be trending, too.

> I think in general Corrin brings sensitive people that highly value aesthetics into the game.

Hardly because they have one of the most generic designs in the game. The only thing that stands out in the design is that they don't wear shoes/boots.

"muh dragon form"

Corrin fans don't give a shit about that. There human Corrin fanart to dragon form outnumbers it like 50,000 to 1. The dragon form literally only ever comes up when people try to apologize for Corrins smash inclusion.

>>fsmash having a hitbox while charging
>Copied from Ness.

The idea of having a hitbox while charging was done first by Ness, yes. Even if it wasn't true it's better than your argument which isn't really one.

I've always consider taunting to be similar as saying 'Good Round' or something equivalent to GG WP in between stocks and teabagging to be disrespectful. I'm really salty at fucking QP now

Hi nick

Just bring the damn limit back. What was wrong with it?

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We having Yea Forums arenas this weekend?

He needs combo buffs. Whether it's hitstun or less lag on his moves. Something that won't make him fall apart

hopefully. Looking forward to playing custom stage FFA with you bros

>disgusting tigh gap
>football heads
>huge hands
>ugly teeth

almost all fanart makes them anime aka fix their fucked up proportions

>no rathalos in smash
No thanx

>no Rathalos

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It's what you deserve. Take your annoying ass b-air and fudge off.

Ridely doesnt count

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he's literally an assist trophy

Okay actually I went back and reread it because even though I'm not a professional tard handler I can't resist.
If I had no other information and someone asked me if a character that was a combination of at minimum Marth, Ness, ROB and Zero Suit Samus was unique I'd say yes 100% of the time.

If everyone in the game were fighting polygon men I would still main Corrin because no other character matches the gameplay of those rewarding high precision tippers. Marth would be too basic and uniform.

Mewtwo got more buffs. Humans get more art especially if they're sexy and cute. The dragon form is one of my favorite parts and kirin are my favorite mythical creatures. Greninja wasn't out yet when he was started, that's how development works. There were no rules for DLC then and there hasn't been enough data to see if the rules are any different now. Other character's personalities are a lot more simplistic and easier to show in the space of a second but it definitely could have been translated better. Your window for uniqueness is narrow as physically possible because you care more about winning the argument than the truth; something has different uses, different effects, but because it's the same "thing" as something else that makes it exactly the same? It's ridiculous. With the same logic you could call any attack non-unique because it's an attack and other characters have attacks. Hell let's go back to your other post
>It's just ZSS's except they added something else on the end.
I guess it isn't unique because it's a "something else" wow it's like they just took a character, modeled it, added stats to it, then just gave it a bunch of "something else"'s.

>no Rathalos in Smash

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Hes still in smash. And no, he doesnt count.

Rathalos is an awesome dragon (psuedo dragon) that shoots fire and has poison claws and hes actually really cute.

But he's in Smash, user.

He's still in Smash though.

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But Male Corrin looks like an absolute turbo queer. At least fem Corn's design isn't gay.

You lose your double jump because you buffer it while getting hit or right before it, that counts as a "lost" jump. I play Jigglypuff in tournaments and you have no idea how many of the lower level opponents whine about jumps disappearing and then I have to tell them to stop buffering jump non-stop when they try to escape wall-of-pains.

>he's in the game, but not in the way i want, so, no, he isn't actually in the game
based retard

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Why don't they have an icon that tells you If you still have a jump like slap city does?

>t. knows nothing about playing mac
Mac doesn't even have the best ground game in the game. Short hop aerials out perform easy to read super armor smash attacks.

>expecting good QoL improvements from Sakurai
He takes one step forward and two back every game.

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Cause he needs at least one move that's punishable. He's frustratingly fast.

Stop replying to shitposts

I'm bored

>f I had no other information and someone asked me if a character that was a combination of at minimum Marth, Ness, ROB and Zero Suit Samus was unique I'd say yes 100% of the time.

If there was also characters that brought tons of completely new ideas you'd look silly to call the frankenstein of old characters "unique"

>Mewtwo got more buffs

Either way you look at this, it doesn't look good for your argument. Either you're claiming that Corrin is more popular than Mewtwo (lol) or this proves that the characters popularity has no bearing on last nights twitter trends.(iirc its different for every person depending on who they follow/what they post anyway)

> Humans get more art

Depends. There's more Pikachu and Yoshi fan art than any FE character.

>The dragon form is one of my favorite parts

I find that hard to believe considering you didn't even bring it up until now.

>Greninja

That and Inceniroar's games were out around a year before the Smash games came out. So far FE has been the only series to get characters before their games even release, which is bullshit seeing as other games that came out a year earlier were "too late"

>personalities

If the character had an interesting personality then there'd be some way to show it. Even if Corrin was the most interesting character of all time it's irrelevant to smash if they're not going to do anything with it when they get in their.

>Your window for uniqueness is narrow as physically possible

It isn't, because Corrin isn't any more unique than any non-clone/semiclone character in the game. If I were to try to apply the same logic to Pacmans specials for example I'd have to stretch out way further. What would I even compare Hydrant to? Hell, during Corrins reveal, with the exception of side b I immediately noticed similarities in all their moves.

If ZSS's neutral B was like Corrin's is now, would you think "wow they COMPLETELY changed zss's blaster"you'd think "they added something to the move"

You'll discredit the things that are completely unique mechanics and when something is unique in every way but one you'll discount that too. You aren't actually arguing, you just have an autistic obsessive hatred that you're constantly trying to justify.