What is it like to be a P1/P2 fan these days?

What are the first two Personas like? Didn't care for the Persona 3+ formula but if it's closer to the MegaTen roots it might be up my alley.

It's not too bad so long as you accept that the Persona team at Fatlus don't want to draw much attention to the games directly. Considering the alternative is to have your favorite game in the series get whored out until you're sick of it I think we get the better end of the deal, honestly.

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P1 + P2 and its sequel. They are outdated but the story and the characters are better than P5

I feel sorry for all 3 of them.

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The first is basically SMT If but with stands. The second goes a little deeper into character interactions and the story. It also changes the battle system to be way worse.
Overall they're much closer to the traditional SMT formula in terms of dungeon design, especially 1.

>The first is basically SMT If but with stands
you never played If... or P1

Why is Maya never in these pictures?

P1/2 sucks and I'm glad atlus is only considering good persona games

>P1 fan
Does not exist.
>P2 fan
Feels like you dodged a bullet. I wouldn't want anything that I'm a fan of to be milked to death like P4 was.

smash tourists have ruined the persona series for me, im a smtfag now

Because 95% of the people that know P2 exists don't know it's actually two games.

There are fans of 1?

>fujoshi artists
>acknowledging the existence of female characters

Can someone on Yea Forums redpilled me about P1 and P2 duology?

I only played the original PlayStation versions. The first part of two wasn't released in America, so when Eternal Punishment was released, I was very confused.

did you even play them

>wouldn't want anything that I'm a fan of to be milked to death like P4 was.
This is funny because back in 2011 or so before the anime came out, people were always saying how annoyed they were that P3 was getting whored out while P4 got nothing

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A lot of them include 3FeMC though. I think people just don’t count her as a protagonist since she started as a party member, not that it’s excusable.

SMT fans don't like them because they're just shitty SMT games, and Persona fans don't like them because the formula is completely different to the modern games

And yet there's still no definitive version of P3. Instead you need to play P3F and then replay with P3P to get the "full experience". They even fucking tell you before you start the game that P3P is recommended for people who have already played the original beforehand.

Why must she always suffer?

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*crack*
*sip*
Persona 2....THAT was a game

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>State social links are a bad addition to persona.
>Get told to kill myself because apparently npc sob stories are the best and most unique part of the series and without them the games "are just smt".
Yeah dude I'm sure everyone talks to every npc in rpgs to hear their life story all the time.

FES is definitive. P3P is just extra non-canon content in an otherwise stripped down port.

>non-canon

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More or less like you'd expect. No one takes you seriously. I've even been accused of being a contrarian. P2 is my favorite Purseowner, and I liked 4 as well (I detest 5 and am neutral on 3.) The story was on a much larger scale and the characters had more depth and chemistry than subsequent games. It's a real shame they're treated like Touhou pre 6.

>Likes 4 more than 3 and hates 5
I'm really trying hard to understand this opinion. It feels so backwards.

P1/P2 fans are usually general SMT fans anyway. So it's not that bad.

>Like the meme of "Persona started at 3" just seems to get worse every year
Well yeah. P3 has had 2 high profile remakes at this point. I wonder if we'll actually get a Persona 4.

>liked 4 as well (I detest 5 and am neutral on 3.)
>I've even been accused of being a contrarian
I wonder why.

Don't eat up the image limit by posting blank pictures, please.

>I liked 4 as well (I detest 5 and am neutral on 3.)
P2 is good but your taste is not.

I like the new Persona games better than 1+2, but I still like those games. At this point I legitimately don't know why people expect 1+2 stuff to show up again. I know that the director of those games left the company and (from what I'm lead to believe) they're not gonna just use the guy's characters without his permission. And Hashino has never really talked much about those characters, which tells me that he wasn't given permission to use them, or maybe that he simply never asked.
Either way, point is that apart from some totally random references and DLC, there's no reason to expect those casts to appear again. Heck, arguably if they used the P2 cast again it'd kinda ruin the ending of P2 (depending how they did it).

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wait, people don't like pre-6 2hu? I prefer 4 and 5 over a lot of the modern games

Mudoondyne

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Redpill me on this series

With Joker in Smash, and me wanting to play some new games, I thought about getting 5, but I wondered if I should try the others first

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Personally, I'd recommend you start with either 3 or 4. I began with 4 golden, I'd recommend that if you can. 3 (for me purely) was hard to get into at first, I actually played that last after 1+2. So if I had to give an order I'd recommend I'd say 4 Golden, 5, 1, 2 (both parts), and then 3. Even if it's a weird order.

I would probably start with 3 and go from there. You could start with 5 if you want since the plots are mostly self-contained, but going back to the older games after that might feel strange because of all the QoL features added by 4 and 5. Then after those maybe try out 1/2 and mainline SMT if you're interested.

As probably the only man on Earth that actually thinks P1 is his favorite, I don't really care about the in-fighting
P1 is fun and you should play it because the Snow Queen route is genuinely good and even SEBEC is good, the protagonist meeting his other self is peak Persona

>play P1
>love both Brown and Reiji
>have to pick 1
Damn it. Reiji is great, but Brown has great interactions with Mark/ Masao, plus it's like having double Junpei.

Also with P5R coming out sometime this year it might be worth waiting around for that rather than buying it right now

I have some of the same issues with P4 that I do with P3. The dungeon "design" is atrocious. I did only play P3P, because it's retarded being unable to control your party members directly in a turn based RPG. Obviously, now the game suffered from balance issues because the game wasn't designed that way, and everything outside of dungeons becoming more or less a point and click or VN kind of sucked too. If there were an "ideal" way to experience P3--having a proper overworld as well as being able to control party members (and rebalancing to reflect it), I would probably have liked it a lot more.

For the record I don't think P4 is an amazing game. The Persona series (post 2 at least) is incredibly mediocre as a whole and if it weren't for "waifus" most people wouldn't bat an eye at them.

Most have never touched them.

>meet your shadow
>if you aren't a huge cunt, he's super happy to meet you
I want a cool shadow bro to play games with.

>I did only play P3P, because it's retarded being unable to control your party members directly in a turn based RPG
You only dig yourself deeper into the hole of atrocious taste.

>it's essentially just a regular SMT game
i really, really like this meme

Fucking good.
Popularity only kills things. P5 is basically P4 deluxe, as safe as it gets. Tease you with Ryuji, Goro and even Joker's death, but of course it doesn't lead anywhere because otherwise they couldn't make mad bucks with shit ass spin-offs.
Nu-Persona is a fucking sellout.

Sorry but being unable to control your party members is stupid and leaves much up to RNG. There's no skill in that. I can excuse it action RPGs like Tales or the Xenoblade games, because it's not feasible to be able to control multiple characters at once. In a turn based RPG (especially when previous installments let you control them)? It's fucking stupid. There's a reason all of the others gave direct control.

Different user, but the AI party members add nothing worthwhile and result in unnecessary downtime when playing the game

The auto-controls work fine, each one has an optimal setting. The real problem is how fucking boring the game becomes if you don't make your MC strong enough to wipe out shit ASAP because you end up watching the game play itself.

>and leaves much up to RNG.
At least you weren't lying about only having played P3P.

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1 and 2 are the only games I feel the cast is genuine friends unlike the rest especially 3; they act like they are just trying to get shit done and dont care a bit for each other

>Joker has appeared in the following video games:
1. Persona 5 (September 2016)
2. Dragon's Dogma Online (October 2016)
3. Phantasy Star Online 2 (December 2016)
4. Lord of Vermillion Re:3 (December 2016)
5. Chain Chronicle (January 2017)
6. Puzzle & Dragons (April 2018)
7. Granblue Fantasy (June 2018)
8. P5D (May 2018)
9. Soul Reverse (September 2018)
10. PQ2 (November 2018)
11. Puyo Puyo Quest (December 2018)
12. Catherine: Full Body (February 2019)
13. Kyoutou Kotoba RPG: Kotodaman (March 2019)
14. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (April 2019)

Jesus.

>Not picking Ayase
She's best girl in the whole fucking Persona series

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Ayy delete this, best girl is Eriko

>DDO
I forget Dragon's Dogma online is pretty much japanese TF2 aka a dumping ground for crossovers
>Granblue
>Puyo puyo
Pics?

The P3 cast were never meant to be friends until the very ending. That's the point.
P4 has the characters divided in various friend groups (Yosuke/Teddie, Chie/Yukiko, Kanji/Rise and Naoto alone) that only get along thanks to a mutual friendship with the protag.
The P5 cast is pretty much the same as P4 except the only actual friends are Ryuji and Ann, the rest only talks to each when Joker's around.

personacentral.com/new-persona-5-thievery-in-blue-granblue-fantasy-collaboration-character-art/
personacentral.com/event/puyo-puyo-official-live-stream-persona-q2-collaboration-christmas-special-overview/

And the best he didn't mention.

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Granblue has him drawn by Hideo Minaba

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WHAT

This looks really nice

hes also a pretty good SSR for a freebie as well

Each back cover for different consoles feature a costume more appropriate for that console's fanbase, the PS4 is Joker.
It is available in any version, though, the same for Monkey Ball on Switch and Jet Set Radio on Xbone.

youtube.com/watch?v=0mVHQ8tehLw

Reminder that atlus made the persona 1 psp port to give the new fans that had entered the series with 3 access to the first game.

And here we are today with p5 being the only fucking mainline persona game playable on the ps4

No Total War crossovers yet? Damn Sega.

Shows how cancerous P5babbies are not caring about better games

If you have a Vita and a PS4 you can play Persona 1-5 on your Vita

WYPIERDALAJ CHUJU NA KARA

Based. 5 is objectively a shit game

youtube.com/watch?v=QrLfJxfb7hI
I use the JSR outfit more that the P5 one

Everytime persona 3 4 5 is brought up like the joker reveal my elitist gf has to bring up how fatlus never mentions 1 or 2. I fucking get you played em okay shut the fuck up slut i know you get they found its identity with 3 you just wanna look cool.

Well remind ur gf how p3/4/5 reference 1,IS and EP all the fucking time

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This (besides a couple references in P3) is the only overt reference to those games in nu-Persona. Are you trying to be retarded?

You don't know shit.
Imagine like a game and it's characters and them not ever being brought up again. It's like remembering a dead person, yeah you can go back and play it again like an old memory, but you'll never make new ones again.
At best they get a costume or alt color and the protags got lucky enough to be featured in the 20th anniversary artwork, but you'll never play again or interact with Eriko or Mishina. A costume is not the same as being featured in Arena or Q.

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Why is the Seven Sisters uniform so fucking good?

Fuck off asshole i went through that journey with maya. At least persona and smt is still going on. There are games like golden sun custom robo gotcha force the bouncer that will never get a sequel.
People probably said the same shit about re and dmc but look whats happening. You still have a chance while other fandoms dont. I dont give a shit about any of this by the way youre just really dumb. What the fuck am i doing.

It looks like they're getting a renaissance among the fan base though, lots of threads about P1-P2 lately. Or maybe it's good old circle jerking, I dunno.

I like P1 more than P2 too, it feels like a complete product while P2 duology feels overly ambitious with too many unbaked ideas and a crazy plot. I don't think they're really that similar to other SMT games though.

Yeah but that contains the inferior version of p3, my point being the psp was a hell of a lot more successful than the vita

>I like P1 more than P2 too, it feels like a complete product while P2 duology feels overly ambitious with too many unbaked ideas and a crazy plot.
I thought that P2:IS was really good, while EP was kind of a lackluster conclusion. Not bad, but not very satisfying either

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Where is this from? Googling that web gives nothing.

>IS's plot is about meme magic ending in a universe reset causing the events to be forgotten
>P2 is memed to the point of being forgotten along with P1
Like pottery

Persona 1 and 2 get more attention than most less-than-popular games that I like. They get discussed in almost every Persona thread that are numerous. Haven't seen a System Shock thread in weeks. Shadowcaster? Forget it.

I think that's due to the fact that they are numbered so it's hard to just ignore them. Persona started with 3 is just a meme, usually people will look into what P1 and 2.

System Shock 1/2 are basically totally disconnected from Bioshock which has it's own numbering system as well.

It's okay, honestly i actually appreciate dodging the shitty spin-off hell and PANDERING.

I actually appreciated the P5 Costume DLC as a nudge and getting the music again a shame they didn't bother with Personas for them though but frankly, P5 was already overloaded with DLC Personas, and i did smile when Aria of The Soul was listed as "Revelations: Persona" since i fully expected them to list P3 or P5 for it since it was a mainstay, Smash has done that kind of "convenient overlook" stuff in the past (Snake in Brawl had MGS and Twin Snakes as Origin rather then Metal Gear MSX).

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Cringe.

Why not just fuck them all?

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ciszej kurwa

I just want them to be playable in an Arena game. Not even the full cast just Naoya, Tatsuya and Maya playable.

I'm a personafag because I love all the games in the series.

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P2 duology are my favorite game in the Persona series. Best cast. Best story. Horrible encounter rate. While I casually enjoyed P3-5, they just felt so.... generic to me. And personally I don't like the highschool setting and dating sim format. I'm most likely not going to buy P6 unless everything about it is overhauled. And SMT V is really Atlus' last chance to keep me as a fan/customer. It's just not for me anymore.

I don't really care since there wasn't many people to talk about the games with before P3 anyway. P4G and P5 zoomers really killed my interest in discussing the series though, after I saw every thread devolve into caveman mentality and pointless lists like

>Atmosphere
P5 > P4 > P3 > games I haven't played
>Menus
P5 > P3 > P4
>Bust size of main female characters
P5 > P4 > P3
>Yo bruh it's lit doe
P5 > P4 > P3

i'm a huge p2 fanboy, and i'm hoping that atlus will finally give it the remake it deserves now that hashino isn't in charge of the franchise anymore. i also wish they'd bring satomi back.
that being said, nu-persona isn't all that bad either. i liked the p3p femc route (all the other versions of p3 are shit though), p4 is okay if you go into it with normal jrpg expectations instead of megaten expectations, and p5 was kino.

DON'T WANNA WAKE UP BECAUSE I'M HAPPY HERE

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As an oldfag I don't mind the 'persona started at 3' guys but my fellow p1/p2 fans are incredibly obnoxious. I try to avoid talking about these games nowadays.

I like P1/P2, but I also like P3 and everything that came after, so idk what you mean.

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What is the best way to play P1? Get the PSP version?

and no signs of persona game on switch

Emulate the PSP version with the original music patch.

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>I know that the director of those games left the company and (from what I'm lead to believe) they're not gonna just use the guy's characters without his permission. And Hashino has never really talked much about those characters, which tells me that he wasn't given permission to use them

I don't think that's how permissions work with games that Atlus literally owns 100% of.

the excuse about not wanting to "disrespect the creators" is bullshit. 3-5 have plenty of references to 1 and 2 in them, and hashino rehashed major plot elements from 1 and 2 in all three of his games. let's be real, hashino just didn't want newcomers to play the older games and notice how much better written they were than his games.

the ai partners were a shitty gimmick with even shittier ai.
in order to make it even somewhat work, they had to let the player dictate tactics to the other party members. and at that point, you might as well just go all the way and let the player control the whole party directly.

Yes.

Yes.

persona found its identity with 1 and 2. the modern trilogy changed the gameplay loop, but it still continues to explore the same core themes that were established in 1 and 2.

Why isn't she in Mementos Yea Forumsros? It's not fair!

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>I don't think that's how permissions work with games that Atlus literally owns 100% of.
Hashino has mentioned that he doesn't want to use another creator's characters without their permission.
>the excuse about not wanting to "disrespect the creators" is bullshit. 3-5 have plenty of references to 1 and 2 in them
Yeah, except that the actual characters don't appear you mongoloid. That is literally my point.

Fuck off P5 babby, your fanbase is cancerous

1 and 2 are pretty shit and dated though, what do you expect? They also play nothing like modern persona games, 1 and 2 are a lot more like main line SMT games

I'll inform you that Fuuka is for tender loving only!

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Persona 1 still has the best group.

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hashino also isn't in charge of persona anymore. his opinion has no bearing on whether or not the casts from 1 and 2 will be used in anything in the future.

Kill yourself.

P3 > P5 > P2 > P4 > P1

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>pyraposting

opinion discarded

Nice argument fag

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LIVE THIS BODY MANLY

Yeah but he was in charge for Persona 3-5 numbnuts

I want to disagree on the basis of your terrible image choice alone but facts are facts

>reaction image is now proves you like the game
Where do all of you newfags come from?

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Embarrassment over sharing an opinion with someone that has otherwise terrible taste is a common phenomenon user.

Let me guess, you also like the worst persona girl Chie too right?
You weebs are too obvious

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>cringeblade fan has shit taste
shocker!

Oh I'm sorry, let me fix that for you
P3 > P5 > P2 > P4 > P1

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What is objectively the best way to play Persona 1?

Why Ohranger?

Emulated on PPSSPP

This is great

Nobody cares about P1 and P2.

P1 sucked. P2 was LITERALLY "autobattle: the game"

Fanbase tier list (not related to game quality):

God tier

Top tier

High tier

Mid tier

Low tier
>P1

Bottom tier
>P3
>P4
>P5
>P2

You're a dumb little nigger.

let me fix that for you:
p2 > p5 > p1 (snow queen) > p3p femc > p4 > p1 (sebec) > p3fes

Has Persona 2 PSP had its soundtrack fixed yet?

they put the openings in but that's it

Nice try p5babby

I don't get why everyone wants p2 mentioned again. It's not like you'd be satisfied with whatever they did with it. No matter what they would try you'd call it shit and disrespectful.

take a shower, fesfag. you reek.

You mean P1?

You say that but the playstation classic had persona 1 and the song remixed in smash says 1 instead of any other persona.

The sad thing is since one song in the Joker DLC is listed as being from Revelations: Persona it's still acknowledged more than SMT.

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Don't they have the same problem?

Nah, the P2 OST's are fine. The P1 OST isn't even the same and was butchered to high heaven.

>P5babby this desperate to pretend his game is good
OH NO NO NO NO NO

I believe you can choose between original/remix in both psp p2

>I believe you can choose between original/remix in both psp p2
Nice. I'll play that soon, then.
>The P1 OST isn't even the same and was butchered to high heaven.
Right, so has that been fixed?

P1fag who started as a P3fag here, and this guy isn't entirely wrong. They're the most vocal about "lolP1 and P2"

mega.nz/#!HJEXHJqC!ky5Ra5W8n5zJr12JMDWWHuH1w0zFpwnbZvCCTymzMAI
This patch puts the original PS1 music in the PSP version of Persona 1.

Because most of the english speaking fanbase disregard Eternal Punishment as unimportant because they're scared of the PS1.

It's funny since in the grand scheme Maya is the real center protagonist.

To me, Persona Q is the best.
>fucking tendie
Saywhat you want, but Etrian Odyssey + Persona combination just works. Not to mention that Q2 is coming out soon.

youtube.com/watch?v=bz2FeiMD2uw

But honestly, 4G >> 5 >> 3P
(only 3 Persona games I finished, plus Q)

Persona q is fucking dull, I'd rather play any other Etrian game

Is it complete, or is it that messy work in progress?

Man I love P1 threads. They're always so civil and full of people expressing why they love these games, even to the extent of discussing the occult aspects and obscure fandisks.

I think it speaks volumes that some fans were absolute madmen that went through Snow Queen with no dialogue back on PS1. Sure I wish the western P1 fans had more presence but they're far from dead.

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>Persona q is fucking dull
How so?

the gamespeed is incredibly slow compared to recent etrian games. half the reason I play etrian is because it doesn't waste my time at all.

SQQ wasn't in the English version of P1. Or do you mean that they got the Japanese version of the game and played it there?

Essentially, the best way to play the first two Personas is the PSP versions with appropriate patches?

I heard somewhere Persona 4 Golden was dogshit. Is this true?

I've played both versions and even though the localized ps1 version is fucked in a lot of ways, it's better than nothing and at the least it's still playable, it's still the same game despite the shoddy translation.

Now that the psp version exists there is absolutely no reason not to play that, and if you want the ps1 music there's a patch that restores it, but i'm still glad ps1 revelations persona (and to an extent eternal punishment psx localized) exist

Borrowing this thread to ask a stupid question. Is there a de-localization patch for P1 on the PS1? I want to play with the original graphics but keep the English text.

The content is still in the game and with cheats/glitches you can get to it but all the text is fucked up because the developers never intended for you to get to it

No I mean using a Gameshark code to get through the dummy code on Revelations to play it there.
youtube.com/watch?v=onAOtHTNoDE

The funny thing is that it reveals the original Japanese sprites are still in the game. I love that.

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Dude just play the PSP version

in the english version of persona 1 ps1, the snow queen quest was still on the disk, it just wasn't translated and it was modified so you couldn't access it through normal means.

you could, however, access it through cheats, so people actually played through it that way. also, the dialogue wasn't readable even untranslated because it showed up as scrambled text

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I wanna get into the series but I hate level grinding. PS2 looks interesting, I don't know about 1 though

P1 with ps1 music patch
P2:IS is good to go without any patches
P2:EP psp is not translated yet, but there's some progress (youtube.com/watch?v=oyQWlgB96d4&t), personnaly I'm waiting for it but if you can't wait you can play the ps1 version (slower and p1 characters are still westernized)

All persona games are pretty shit games

I don't like handhelds, and I don't have a go to play via component and an actual PS3 controller.

Sadly no, since the majority feel the PSP release invalidates it. I would disagree since PSP doesn't have the original soundtrack and the restoration patch can only put in 30 of 100+ track (poorly looped and heavily compressed versions I might add).

As far as Atlus is concerned, P1/P2 don't exist.

There is no grinding in p2, in fact it is highly recommended to run from all random battles so you don't get too overpowered.

I really liked P1 PSP's music. I dunno why people shit on it as much as they do. The only song I think is arguable is the battle theme

Ended up with her by accident but I loved every second of it. Her, Nanjo and Mark being unapologetic assholes is so refreshing in a series filled with goody two shoes.

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it replaces all PSP tracks with their PSX counterparts but there are some tracks which are left out since there are quite bit more PSX tracks, so the patch is not complete. I don't think anyone will bother with hacking the whole game and add other tracks though.

>and I don't have a go to play via component and an actual PS3 controller
Um... what?
Also just get a PSTV

I played through it and it works fine. There's limitations here and there (eg the beginning of Deadline doesnt play in the leadup to a boss) but it's finished.

>P5 fag has shit taste
Surprising nobody.

1 and 2 are completely different kinds of games. It’s not hard to understand. They are very different and appeal to different people.

iT's BeTteR tHaN nOtHiNg

yeah it sucks that it's not a full restoration. However i'll take p1 psp's world map over psx p1's anyday

You can hook a DS3 controller to play on the PSP Go, and then output that via component cables. I only have a 3000.
I forgot about the Vita TV. I'll pick one up and install Homebrew on it.

>Ended up with her by accident but I loved every second of it.
Same. I was trying to get Reiji my first time, but I talked to his mother TWICE instead of just once so I was stuck with her. I was gonna reset but just went with it anyhow, and I'm genuinely glad I did.

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Thanks a bunch

Final question: What’s the best PSP emulator? I’ve only really emulated Nintendo games; been dying to get into PSP and PS1 emulation since the latter has plenty of fan translated games.

>I forgot about the Vita TV. I'll pick one up and install Homebrew on it.
That's the spirit. You can easily play 1-4 on the PSTV

Calm down Canzah, I appreciate the effort but it just ain't up to snuff.

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PPSSPP works really well, even on toasters. It's pretty much your only option.

ps1 has 3 times more songs and fits better the atmosphere of the game, shoji meguro was frustrated that he wasn't choosed for the original p1 so he butchered the music in the remake

P1R fag here. School Days is the best song in the entire series.

youtube.com/watch?v=IQcnanaCjEA

PPSSPP without a doubt. Clean UI, and started by one of the dolphin developers. Very optimized and makes any other PSP emulators obsolete

ppsspp or just get a Vita and hack it

It's pretty telling how culture has changed where P5 had it's cast being touted as delinquents when they're all pretty tame compared to the likes of Mark, Yukino, Ayase and Brown.

>ps1 has 3 times more songs and fits better the atmosphere of the game
It may have more songs but I think the PSP songs fit better

Heavily prefer PS1 as far as P1's own atmosphere goes but Meguro did make some good stuff for PSP nonetheless. youtube.com/watch?v=bn9S5rfAom0

>compared to the likes of Mark, Yukino, Ayase and Brown
None of them even do anything to be considered delinquents, user. Maybe Yukino because it's implied she used to get into fights, and Ayase because she doesn't care about school much. Mark likes music, what does he do that's bad?

Just listen to this :
youtube.com/watch?v=ibs4TBs_wk0&t=125s

I love the P1 PSP boss theme.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZhkXBp4loSY

The costume DLC was pretty disappointing desu. No outfits for the EP crew or even Maya and the P1 DLC didn't give Anne the Ayase outfit.

I like all the Persona games but prefer P3 and P5 more due to appealing to my type of atmosphere/art designs. Why can't we just get along?

Ok, I still prefer the PSP soundtrack.

P1 threads at least definitely became more prevalent post P5's release but they've always been here.

Yeah I agree that the original music fits the atmosphere better. But the PSP OST is so groovy that I can't not enjoy it.

Thanks again, mates

P1 was still my favorite story of the entire series. I played it after P4 and had a blast, the whole SEBEC arc was great, but I still haven't finished the SQQ yet.

>no Ayase, Maki or Ulala

>Why can't we just get along?
because people here think that there MUST be a definitive "BEST PERSONA GAME" that everyone wants their favorite game in the series to have the title of when they should just enjoy the series and stop fucking caring about that.

Playing the PS1 versions on disc with moonrunes is pretty chill during summer.

Started at P2, now P3 is my favorite (I really like P4 and P5 as well) but I think the P2 duology has the best story of the batch hands down. It really just needs over hauled gameplay since it's aged like shit. If it had updated gameplay it'd easily be the best of the series imo. I don't really get mad at later games they're their own thing, I ain't looking for them to do persona 2 again and every fanbase has it's flavor of the month retards so they don't bug me either.

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I can't play the ps1 version for the life of me, the world map is ass

He's a nig

Mark sprays Graffiti all over town.

1 > EP > 3 > IS > 5 > 4

Daily reminder

Persona 2's subtitle is Eternal Punishment and that's what it feels like to play these games today.

I'd swap the 5 > 4 with the 3 > IS but overall I can see where you'd come to this conclusion from.

All joking aside, you're not wrong? I really liked IS and EP just was not fun to play. Maybe it was going from PSP to PS1, maybe it was the story, but I really didn't like EP

Man P1 cosplayers are Chads.

I greatly prefer EP's battle UI honestly and it seems like the Japs did too since EP PSP is a more polished version of the PS1 UI.

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Maybe on the PSP it's better, but on the PS1 it's fucking awful

What issues do you have with it? Once I adjusted my muscle memory I wasn't exactly dreading it.

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Ideal Maki, you mean. Regular Maki is pretty much worthless.

So has this just been retconned?

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She gets better.

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Persona has no real continuity aside from loose instances of acknowledging that everything happens in the same world.

I actually wish they would go into what caused this split. EP foreshadowed the Persona using robots that Nanjo's own scientists were developing. So are the Kirijo essentially just made up of the corrupt assholes that worked under Nanjo's nose?

I don't remember any exact details, I played it a little over 2 years ago. I just remember that after beating PS:IS PSP it was a slog

I love P2, and this perception never really bothered me. I can acknowledge that the traditionally accepted persona format did start at 3, since 1&2 have very different game structure.

IS is the shortest out of the original Persona games whereas EP is full length on its own, so I'm not too surprised. I took a break after IS and when playing EP it felt nice that it was a more complete package.

No? I mean, P5 even makes some brief references to P2.
That is very much what P3 implies, considering Mitsuru's grandfather. Or at least, Kirijo head-hunted certain scientists.

I had the exact opposite reaction.
In fact, I started playing EP as a joke to see how far I could get before dropping it.
In the end, I enjoyed the combat a lot more and even left the animations on during some random encounters.

Talking about animations, does anybody else feel that P1 PSP animations were pretty bad compared to PSX ones?

Maya is the best waifu.

>NG+++ autist sick of everyone's shit

They chopped a few of the frames off in order to make them faster. Not a bad compromise exactly, but it's apparent. Another subtle change for P2 is that running speed on PS1 is walking speed on PSP.

Cant talk about the animations on PSX P1 but I did notice a change going from IS Psp to Ep Psx. Something about EP's animations looked better and I couldnt figure it out

P3fags really are insufferable to be fair.

P5"My first game was PERSONA 5"Babies make me fucking nauseous. Talking like their opinions have any weight when their tastes are so shit
I can accept P3 and P4 fags, but those P5Bitches can simply fuck off

P3"My first game was PERSONA 3"Babies make me fucking nauseous. Talking like their opinions have any weight when their tastes are so shit
I can accept P4 and P5 fags, but those P3Bitches can simply fuck off

these but P4

Repeating someone word to word is the sign of being a maturity stunted child
Guess that's nothing new from a fag that's earned the nickname "P5babies"

Getting no music in smash sure is giving 1 and 2 a lot of attention.

1 has a song though

Persona 1 and 2 are slow. And random encounters.

Emulate them and cheat, thats my advice.

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Nice try P5babby

This. I love how mad they get when they get called out

P3fags are annoying though. They constantly try to act elitist over being so fond of an entry-level JRPG. It's an annoying attitude for anyone to have, but seeing someone like a P3fag or a Nocturnefag is particularly annoying because they're being elitist over an opinion that's absolutely pedestrian. If you're going to be that way at least be that way about something that actually calls on it and hasn't been played by anyone with any interest in the genre. It's like being critical of other people's taste in food when you mostly eat McDonalds.

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lmao seething

You have to if you want to see Ayase and yukino

>All these replies that prove him right
I hope it was samefagging

>if you want to see Ayase and yukino
Why would anyone?

Looks like we got another SEETHING P5babybabybaby here

It sucks being ignored and hearing everyone say the games I like suck when they like garbage like P3 and P4.
I'm seeing P3 fags falling into the same group now though, they're getting weirdly bitter even though they constantly get recognition.

I'm a P3fag but I played and enjoyed both P1 and P2. I think its just about how into dungeon crawling you are (for P1) and how into the story you are (for P2).

I cant wait for P5R as cement them into the old area
They try associating 3 and 4 with 5 no matter what so as to seem relevant

I don't mind that the series moved on from the OG 1, 2, 2:2 trilogy, but I wish theyd refer back to them more. Last we heard, an amalgamation of characters from them joined some kind of anti-shadow squad. I wanna hear more about that

I see them doing the opposite more, trying to associate 3 with 1, 2 and SMT so they can make themselves out to be fans of a niche game and feel hardcore instead of a really popular game. P3 and 4 are still relevant anyway, there's a reason they show up in PQ2 and P1 and 2 don't and why they got music in Smash and P1 and 2 didn't. I wouldn't be too surprised if the P3 cast doesn't show up in P5 Arena whenever that happens though.

I would hate that really. I didn't like the P3 crew having an anti-Shadow force either, I'm more than happy to just let the games be. I don't mind stuff like the Rise poster in 5 because that feels natural, but I don't need this stuff about them forming organizations to fight Shadows their whole life when they've already had a game dedicated to them dealing with a big threat.

Have you seen the sales of PQ2? Shit wont even get a dub here
>and why they got music in Smash and P1 and 2 didn't
Wrong, aria of the soul is listed as a P1 song
>I wouldn't be too surprised if the P3 cast doesn't show up in P5 Arena whenever that happens though.
We will see at least 3 I think, but in that area I know the least

the fes-only fags are the absolute worst. they're the persona equivalent to meleefags, since they pretend that a dated and clearly flawed game is perfect in every way. they probably smell as bad as meleefags too.

P3 at this point really is Boomer-core. Its falling into the same hole as P1 and P2 where people look at the game play and are immediately turned off. Eventually threads complaining about P3's "Shit" and "Dated Gameplay" will be common place.

>Last we heard, an amalgamation of characters from them joined some kind of anti-shadow squad
Wait, is that the thing I've heard about being in P3? Fuck, that sounds awesome, more of that please.

>Have you seen the sales of PQ2? Shit wont even get a dub here
You say that like it's a bad thing, Persona dubs are fucking horrible. Anyway, it's for budget reasons, no sense putting any more money than necessary into a 3DS game in 2019. It's the same reason the game flopped in Japan, the 3DS is the issue, not P3 and P4.

i'll make sure to draw p2

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>Have you seen the sales of PQ2? Shit wont even get a dub here
Yeah, but the point isn't how well it performed, it's that it got made at all, same with DMN. Even among people who haven't played P3 and started with 5, you don't see people asking for the P1 and 2 ports or remakes, they just care about 3 and 4.
>Wrong, aria of the soul is listed as a P1 song
It's still in every game though regardless of what it's listed as, so it's something people who have played any Persona will know of. There's no P1 or 2-exclusive music in Smash, if that makes the point better, because if there were barely anyone would care, where a lot of people care that Mass Destruction is in it.

P3 isn't and will never fall into the same level of obscure as P1 and 2. People already say it has dated gameplay, but anyone who says anything has date gameplay are retarded to begin with, that aside though people still show a lot more interest in it than P1 and 2 and ATLUS give a lot more attention to it, it's not even close to P1 and 2 where barely anyone seems to even have a passing interest in trying them.

This. Maybe its because I'm autistic but I have no favourite games. I can like multiple things.

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Just stop being retarded and pick a favorite faggot

Nigger, this series vary in some many things all the time
To expect everyone, hell anyone to like all the games is very fucking hard
Just name 1 X persona game that, if you liked , means you will also like Y
Not even the arena games work

This is a Megaten series, you have to pick a side and be bicker with everyone else. It's the rules of nature.

Just play P3FES. It's not like P6 is coming soon.

>Even among people who haven't played P3 and started with 5, you don't see people asking for the P1 and 2 ports or remakes, they just care about 3 and 4.
I dont even see the last part, what are you smoking?
Dont tell me you only see Yea Forums as how the fanbase works

Besides, you are ignoring something important, P1 was actually a thing in nipland you know? Its P2 that fucked everything up

I don't know how people think this, I beat it last year and I blew through it wildly quick, like sub 60 hours; absurdly low for a Persona game. It's a wild ride and the pace never slows down.

>post a shitty opinion open to criticism
>people criticize
>YOU ALL PROVED HIM RIGHT LOL

1 even has a vastly different structure from 2, 2 was almost like laying the groundwork for 3. It's a midpoint if anything.

This issue only exists in the first place due to Atlus sidelining Persona 1 and 2 so much in side material. They obviously don't need to be pushed as much as the better selling later games, and the mainline games only have minor references to the past titles, so P1/2 aren't treated oddly there, but creating this split in the first place is all on how Atlus handles the expanded material.

This is exactly how I feel about P4 fags. They praise it as if it's the best game ever when it's literally one of the worst megaten games. Worst dungeons, worst battles, worst story, worst characters. At least P5 has actual dungeons, demons, and negotiation.

Persona 1 actually sold well in Japan. They only surpassed its sales with Persona 5 (or adding together multiple versions of 4), which makes this even odder.

Is it me or is there actually a lot more P1 and P2 fans than people give credit for? I remember the joke back some few years ago was there was hardly any fans, but I see it get mentioned a lot over the internet. Even Alpha Omega Sin made saying P1 and P2 don't get enough love.

Not that I mind.

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>I dont even see the last part, what are you smoking?
>Dont tell me you only see Yea Forums as how the fanbase works
I'm not talking about Yea Forums, I see it elsewhere regularly. It's probably the next most requested thing I see from people when it comes to Persona after a Switch port of 5, and a lot of people, when asking for that Switch port, also they should add a HD collection with 3 and 4 to it too. One of the most popular requests in their recent survey was a P3 remake. On the other hand, I never see anybody ask for P1 and 2 anything, and if P1 and 2 music was in Smash I doubt many people would have been as excited as they were for Mass Destruction. I am only talking about the Western fans here though, I won't pretend I'm too knowledgeable about which games are most and least popular in Japan, though I'd assume P3 and 4 are still a lot more popular than 1 and 2 considering they get all the attention and 1 and 2 get none of it, and ATLUS seem to make their decisions based on their Japanese market first and foremost.

actual shittiest opinion in the whole thread

I'm a P2 fag and I wish P2fags would stop acting like P2 has good gameplay at all

>P5 came out more than two years ago

That feels so wrong. It feels more like six months.

There are actually a shitload, and a bunch of 3-5fags who are interested and want to see them remade/rereleased so they can play them. P2 is especially popular, probably almost as much as P3 by this point. People going back and rediscovering how good it is are posting about it on places like Twitter and getting others interested.
People just undersell the fanbase and the games themselves for the sake of shitposting.

Nah it's basically right, just switch P3 with P5 and P1 with P4.

It makes complete sense for the P1-EP crews to do so though, they know why this stuff is happening firsthand. Later protagonists don't have such knowledge.

It literally does, just admit you like the braindead babymode hallway simulators more faggot.

The persona system in P2 sucks. I'm not talking about level design here, P3 and 4 are utter shit. P5 looks cool but was the easiest of them all

The P2 duology has much better plot/characters/writing than the other Persona games. Since all of them have bad gameplay this means IS/EP are the only Persona games worth playing.

Just a genuine opinion. While there are a lot of other Ps1 JRPGs I feel have more intuitive combat, I don't actually mind the combat itself all that much. I just think the game needs better dungeon layouts and other interesting gimmicks. That being said, I tend to have a high tolerance to grindy combat.

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I love Lisa!
True, though I really like the Order system. Being able to choose the order of attack and discovering new Fusion Spells is nice.

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What, like getting new Personas? I don't remember it being very hard to do anything with that, negotiations in 2 were piss easy and it wasn't even strictly necessary to get new Personas in the first place. Glad we're on the level about level design at least. Learning and hitting weaknesses with like twice as many elements as any other SMT game was a blast, the negotiation mechanic was hilarious regardless of how shallow it is compared to other games, and discovering and using the fusion skills never got old. Overall 2's battle system is really fun and satisfying >inb4 slow, fuck you that's not an issue.
First of all I'd like to point out that P4 is way easier than P5, but regardless, difficulty isn't the appeal of P5 or any Persona game because they're all easy. Everything in the game feels satisfying, from dungeon crawling to fighting. The way the confidants actually affect the gameplay both in dungeon and in battle is also by far the best use of the social sim shit in the series.

the gameplay isn't great, which is why i'd love a remake with p5's combat system, but it's still better than 3's shitty gameplay.

D I A L J
D I A L J

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The fact that it wasnt necessary to get new Personas is what annoyed me. I dom't like that your starter Persona is OP

>used goods

That was a long time ago, at this stage. The P1 crowd has mostly grown up and moved on with their lives.

This is part of why I dislike Innocent Sin on PSP, it tries to downplay the order system to make it seem more like traditional RPG combat but it makes the menus clunky as fuck.

You played Eternal Punishment, right?

>not enough Jun porn
Why the best boi gets no love?

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because you're a faggot and faggots don't deserve anything but a noose.

This, there really isn't anywhere near enough lewds of Jun with his agidyne-tier mom.

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I started with 4, but think all earlier entries have something cool about them. I love P1 for establishing the series and both parts of P2 for pushing the envelop and developing. I like P3 for establishing modern Persona games, love P4 for the setting and P5 for it‘s refinement. They are all great.

>lewds of Jun with his agidyne-tier mom.
Jun is for Tatsuya

>Opinion
>Open to criticism
Your problem is that you are blending a hardcore fan vs a normal one, the "normal" one doesnt even know how P3 or P4 looks like, and there is lots of them, the just dont care about participating in all the events of a game
As a more concrete example, they probably dont even know about the survey
You are forgetting there is a thing called fujoshi user

Nah. In your own post you almost realize that it's just hipster faggots larping.

What do hipster faggots have to gain from larping about liking P1 and P2?

When you learn how to browse Neocities, treasure troves of gay anime porn will await you.

Go away, homo. Tatsuya is for Maya.

>you are blending a hardcore fan vs a normal one
I don't think I am. I don't consider the kinds of people who post in Youtube comments as being hardcore, but I see them asking for P3 and 4 ports and not even mentioning P1 or 2. You are right about the survey, but I'd still bet a good amount of those people who care enough to participate in the survey but have only played 5 have no interest at all in 1 or 2, and they're still fans of the series too even if they're not as casual about it as they could be.

The fuck? No. Besides, doesn't Katsuya have feelings for Maya?

Nothing you can say will ever separate Jun and Tatsuya.

Maybe because those are great games and yet to be topped. no Persona has yet to match P2IS and P3 and no SMT has yet to match Nocturne but Final

Just wanted to say how it's extremely scary how some of Maya's most characterizing moments are told from her Shadow. Technically the Shadow still resembles the person it was born from so surely it must mean that deep down inside the real Maya might feel the same way but never show it and we only get a glimpse of whats going on deep down inside from her Shadow.

That said she also gets away with denying her Shadow to the vary end as well... Maya is very emotionally damaged.

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>the person who keeps on insisting that people keep positive thinking is actually emotionally damaged
Wow who could have seen this coming it was so subtle

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>P5 has actual dungeons, demons, and negotiation.
And it's time to acknowledge none of that is good P5babby

If you're talking about a great game you'll probably talk about how the game is great or something like that, not just saying "lmao personababbies could NEVER beat Matador" or saying "enjoy your shitty slice of life, I'll be playing a good game that's much more in line with SMT than your shitty nusona." I think Nocturne is a great game, and I think P3 does a lot of things very well, and if fans of those games just talked about how good the games are they wouldn't be annoying at all, they're annoying because they choose to try and act above others for playing those games and acting like they're part of some elite who play a game that people who play the newer games would never be able to appreciate because they're zoomers or whatever, when the game they're talking about is widely appreciated and they're not a part of an elite at all. It doesn't have anything to do with the games, it's just how the people who play them act about the games.

>remake with p5's combat system
So another shitty game? Why are P5fags pretending they are 2ISfags now?

Fuck you Louis

I played both 3 and 4 with ai partners its not that bad you are just exaggerating

sorry, p3 babby, but your cringe emo game will never measure up to classics like p2 (both parts, not just is), p5, and nocturne.

People just hate P5babbies because they are delusional enough to think that game is good. So we shit on them.

I'm not sure why people keep jerking off Nocturne's difficulty. There are only two fights that are possible to lose even if you go in prepared: the very first preta fight in the tutorial on hard mode, and maybe Lucifer in the TDE.

if you don't like dungeons, demons and negotiation, why the fuck are you playing megaten games to begin with?
p3/p4 babbies can't stop exposing themselves as secondaries, tourists and posers.

t. shit eating P5babby trying to lump up with better games
There's a reason we MegaTen fans hate you

THE VIRGIN P4 AND 5

THE NORMIE P3

THE NEAR-ENLIGHTENED P2

THE A S C E N D E D P1

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Are you actually mentally ill P5babby? Those systems are good, the problem is they are utter dogshit in P5. Probably because it's one of the worst games ever made

Completely agree. Based.

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This thread is basically proof that Mark was right in asking this.

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true megaten fans appreciate p5 for bringing persona back towards the fundamentals of megaten.
p3/p4 babbies defend their watered-down games with shadows, boring-ass hallway dungeons, no negotiations, and cringe emo/scooby-doo plots.

Based and Markpilled

>Wears a Devil Summoner shirt
Proof that Mark is a Devil Summoner chad.

Agreed. Nocturne is honestly piss easy and I played it blind in hard mode, and it was even my first SMT. Even Chronicle which apparently rebalances the bosses are still a utter joke. Nocturne only becomes hard with the hardtype mod

any negotiation system at all is better than shuffle time. every p5 dungeon, even the ship, is better than tartarus. and now that they're back, they can keep making them better in future persona games.

>""""true"""" MegaTen fans appreciate a game that was 1 step forward 340 steps back in story, characters, music, game design, etc
Nice try P5babby

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>Played P2 duology after discovering series at P4 Vanilla
>itwasokay.png
>continue living my life not caring

I mean, the P2 series was pretty much completed, there's not much to do other than endlessly bring Tatsuya/Maya in for cameos and crossovers like Minato and Yu get now.

Wouldn't mind a P2 movie though.

Final blows fat asses, get taste. Both SJ and IV are better than Nocturne.

>it's the "P5 is totally a real megaten game because it has guns" shit again

Stop peddling this nonsense. P5 is much further removed from megaten tonally than 3 was.

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Shuffle at least requires you to be activate and play attention. The negotiation system is ripped straight from 2 and manages to casualized even that so it's retard proof for P5babbies. The dungeons aren't actuallt better than anything because it like the entriely of P5 was casualized for the lowest common denominator. Tartarus has death a possibility. P5 linear hallways don't.

>Minato

Now this is shit taste. And we are in the post-P5 era where people pretend that game is good. Evaluate your pathetic self.

>Return of Negotiation
>Shadows are basically demons now
>Archangel fights
>GUN
>SMT if and SMTIV costumes
>Demon that only makes sense in the context of Soul Hackers is in the compendium

If anything it's closer.

Faggots who can't handle them.

It is pretty rough. I would love for them to remake P2 with the P5 engine but I know that would never happen. The zeitgeist of Japan has changed. They no longer like darker themed things, more light hearted. Which is a shame because I loved Atlus's darker works.

>story
5's story is worse than 1 and 2, but still easily better than 3's glacially-paced borefest and 4's thin scooby-doo plot.
>characters
anything is better than 4's characters, which featured the two most annoying characters in all of megaten (teddie and marie) and a bunch of beta orbiters for yu.
>music
it's pretty standard nu-persona music, they just went with a jazz theme this time instead of hip-hop or rock. not really seeing an issue here.
>game design
nothing is worse than 3's game design. worst dungeon in jrpg history, shitty gimmick combat system, removed demon negotiations in favor of a card game, etc.

The most surface level shit you could possibly identify.

>negotiation, which is more dumbed down than ever before and which was already in the first two games
>the visual design of enemies, which changes nothing
>a piss-easy fight with the archangels thrown in last second and which could have been replaced with literally any other boss
>guns, which work nothing like they do in any other megaten or persona game except maybe fucking Raidou
>wow costumes lol
>reference

Stop.

Your shitposting is stale and your taste is foul.

Yeah and DDS is a SMT game because you fight demons too

Doesn't matter how fucking dumbed down it is, it's still the return of a classic element it shares in common with other Megaten games

Stop same fagging, also DDS does share a lot in common with the rest of Megaten, you retard.

LOL
You know what? Fuck calling you fags P5 Babies
It's more apt to call you P5Retards. Literally just joined the series and you faggots think you know everything, some of you never even having touched a Persona until the cancer that was 5.
I wish I seen that shitty game getting the popularity it would get, but unfortunately what's done is done and now you newfags shit up threads with shit opinions

The shitflinging between personafags aside, the term you're looking for is "megaten" not "SMT" and yes, it is a megaten game.

Fucking CRINGE. Why are P5faggots and P2faggots like this?

seething

I agree that P5 is more like SMT than 3 or 4, but to bring it up at all is just dumb because it doesn't matter. The things you mention are the reason why I think it's more like SMT, but they're all not handled in the same way as SMT handles them, but it doesn't matter at all. Saying one game is like SMT and that's good and one isn't and that's bad isn't true, it's a spinoff, has no obligation to be like SMT and is free to be its own thing, it might be something some people personally prefer, but it's like SMT isn't an inherently good or bad thing and people arguing over it as if the game that's more like SMT is the better one is retarded. P3 could be indistinguishable from an SMT game and be dogshit or the same could be the case for 4 or 5, and by the same token they could be nothing like SMT and be amazing. It doesn't matter.

I love this comic

I'm pretty sure that most of if not all played those after P3/P4.
They're either cool with it because they know the games are over 20 years old, play some other (SMT) games but hope for something like a remake or are some kind of passive-aggresive hipsterfaggots who like to play victim, a bit like those obnoxious non-Persona SMT faggots who can't stop yapping about liking the mainseries more than Persona.
Luckily the annoying ones are a vocal minority and SMT threads are usually pretty nice because it's full of people who actually enjoy videogames.

Maya best girl

Based!
Based!

>5's story is worse than 1 and 2, but still easily better
Objectively wrong. Story is all over the place in terms of structure and competent story-telling. The story is ineffectual in the same way most Japanese stories of societal change are and the party's victories are pretty hallow.
There's nothing stopping the Japanese government from doing shit like this again, Burgerslut's Company is still going to be awful to work for because it's in the company's best economic interest to pay their employees shit and work them to the bone, starving artists will still be exploited by profiteers, etc.
The Jungian elements of modern Persona worked best when the "conflicts" (accepting your flaws, 4 and coming to terms with death, 3) were more personal. Attempting to apply the same philosophy to societal issues and hoping for positive change requires fucking magic to make work, because it dismisses the material and social incentive to act like a cockend and attributes these failures to character faults.
>anything is better than 4's characters
LOL
>Ryuji is literally just a loudmouthed idiot who pervs on girls and talks about his sports career
>Ann is dumb and a bit of a bimbo who is easily manipulated if you flatter her, with no other traits but "muh shiho"
>Morgana is just insecure about being inhuman, hates ryuji, loves ann, and does nothing else but boss joker around
>Futaba just spouts 2ch memes, acts like a hikki neet, and lusts for technology. Literally a deus ex machina
>Makoto is a rulesfag who is insecure
>Haru is a ditzy oujou who is frequently murderous just like yukiko 2.0
>Yusuke is an autist obsessed with beautiful women
They are all dogshit
>it's pretty standard nu-persona music
Sound like shit with no variety
>nothing is worse than 3's game design
Yeah it's called P5. The game that manages to be more casual than P4.

Ironic considering someone is dumb enough to think SJ and IV

>Thinking a game with Adolf Hitler can get recognized in Smash Bros.

>but to bring it up at all is just dumb because it doesn't matter.
I agree honestly, I just brought it up because dumb bitch user thought muh guns were the only thing that it had common.

B-brad?

What samefagging? And no having a reference to SMT II in DDS2 doesn't make it SMT. And being dumbed down is a bad thing. Why play P5 when I can just play P2 or 3? They all have bad gameplay but at least they are closer to SMT and don't have a retarded shit story like 5.

Joker literally has a Tatsuya alt

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>P5 alt
ftfy

sakurai had such a golden opportunity with the p2 alt and blew it.

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It's right next to the blue and yellow outfits, boy. We all know what they're getting at.

Not sure why he has a purple outfit instead of one based on St. Hermelin though.

>And no having a reference to SMT II in DDS2 doesn't make it SMT.
I never even claimed it was SMT because it's literally not SMT. I said it had a lot in common with other MEGATEN. Including the alignment and shit was worked into the story, jeez guy.

>Why play P5 when I can just play P2 or 3? They all have bad gameplay but at least they are closer to SMT and don't have a retarded shit story like 5.
Not even defending P5, I liked the gameplay the first time I went through the game but I tried to new game plus and realized I had to sit through a bunch of worthless dialogue to just play the goddamn game so I dropped it. I don't even really like the game that much, I'm just pointing out that we saw the return of some classic elements.

>no paper bag mask joker
fuck you, samurai

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Where can I learn how to hack my vita?

He has an eternal punishment alt

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I'll believe it when I see hearts on his titties

All MegaTen games have common elements no shit. The point is that sharing mechanics doesn't mean shit when everything about it is completely different from tone to atomsphere, and they didn't even make good use of the shit they stole.

LEAVE FAKER

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If they had a female joker in the game with a similar color scheme they could add hearts and make her gun pink.

Actually, that's the villain from Persona 0

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I'm in an unusual predicament. I played twelve or so hours of P5 - I beat Kamoshida - and then I quit and lost my save file. I started P5 again just now and found it boring because I know I'm going to have to replay all of it. I have a tendency to be more apt to replay a game or part of a game if another game in the series draws me in.

Should I buy P3 and start there or just say fuck it to the whole series? I'll only play these games for the story and roleplaying elements. The turn-based combat is either very boring or frustrating to me.

Go cry to the nurse some more bitch
>This but it's a highly detailed animated model in a P2 remake.

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DeSu is more like Persona than ...if

This but with you fucking off to /pg/

If... is nothing like Persona in the first place besides the fact it "takes" place in highschool

I miss when this series was actually kind of about psychology

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It was until P5

>The only song I think is arguable is the battle theme
Only plebs dislike
>LIVED IN BURIED MEMORY

Replying to my own post so you know I'm the same poster. Most RPGs are such a time sink. I try them and then look at howlongtobeat.com and question whether or not it's worth it. I feel like I want to enjoy JRPGs but I can't. They're always drawn out and tedious.

it still is

We're scarce but around. I've accepted they don't get much discussion besides a one off thread or in between Persona 3-4-5 shitposting

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Nintendo confirmed that's just a reference to P5

No you

A reference to what? The fact that the game is red? How is that a reference?

>DeSu is more like Persona than ...if
But the first Persona is literally a sequel to if... the protag from if... even appears in it, and not just a reference, she talks about something that happened at her old school that's similar to what goes on in the game.

Ask Nintendo

Nintendo is wrong, we have to ask Sakurai

I don't remember her kissing him.

I haven't played P1 or 2 yet myself, but personally I'd rather that to what you see with P3-5. If games like Raidou or SMT 1 and 2 had the amount of shitposting surrounding them as P3-5, and you got raked over the coals for liking one over the other and everyone acted like each game is either dogshit or perfect it would be awful, much worse than just rarely getting a discussion about it.

Good bait user. You got em hook line and sinker.

If you only care about story play P2is and 3, none of the others. EP is crap and ruins all the cool shit about IS (like making Maya the playable character ruining her chance at further development)

>That pic
That artist loves draw a lot of wholesome Persona 1 pictures, and a lot of Reiji Kido, you should post more.

imagine liking nu-sona

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I disagree about EP's story, especially if you don't mind suffering, but
>making Maya the playable character ruining her chance at further development
Holy fuck I will never not be mad about this.

>like making Maya the playable character ruining her chance at further development
Just thought you should know, Tadashi wanted her to be able to talk freely despite being the playable main character but the higher ups told him no.

They all used to be fairly popular, hell Megami Ibunroku was extremely popular in Japan for a good long while.

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Reminder that BASED Nanjo took Mitsuru as his hot young trophy wife and is giving her the number one dick in Japan nightly

This is canon

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It honestly mirrors the current state of Ogre Battle fans right now. Used to be extremely popular in Japan, but it's considered niche now. Still waiting for Ogre Battle Episode 8.

The sweet spot between niche enough to have good discussion and shitpost breeding ground is tough to find and never last long. I miss when P4 was just released, seem like the hate wagon wasn't as bad between the new games
I wish you didn't have to turn down every other party member to get Reiji. Should've put him before brown

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>I wish you didn't have to turn down every other party member to get Reiji. Should've put him before brown
Same, I fucking love Reiji.

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>We get a Persona 1 PS4 remake
>It's probably the best Persona game to date, and it fixes every objective problem with the original game and the PSP remake while also adding new content
>Thing is, it's a remake of Revelations: Persona, which means it's got the American setting and American character redesigns
Would you?

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DeSu is pretty much a more anime version of SMT1.

>Thing is, it's a remake of Revelations: Persona, which means it's got the American setting and American character redesigns
>Thinking this is even a bad thing
The answer is obvious.

>Be 7 when Black Mark Version came out
>Borrowed it off my uncle
>Get to the hospital.
>That music with all the screaming in the background.

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Absofuckinglutely

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>Revelations: Persona
NO

Not really, the apocalypse is just happening in DeSu, where for the majority of SMT1 you're in the post-apocalypse that you timeskipped into, and the things that happen to the Chaos and Law Hero along with the Heroine don't really have an analog in DeSu.

I like Persona 2 but honestly 5 was a good and fun game.

The big issue with 3 and 4 was how the dungeons were so weak after you spent so fucking long on after school club bullshit

5 was awful and the dungeons aren't even good

SAVE FROM THAT BLOOOOOOOOOOOODY DESTINY

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only if it has the SQQ route

>and in respect to that the new director hasn't mentioned them at all

That's because he's too busy ripping off plot points and characters from them.

>That music with all the screaming in the background.
youtu.be/Lz2l0toDvCg
Glad I'm not the only one.

>they actually included Black Mark on the Playstation classic

absolute madmen

>. The only song I think is arguable is the battle theme
Lone Prayer is literally the best battle theme in the series

CAN'T LAY THE BLAME ON YOUUUU

BUT I CAN'T FORGIVE YOUUUUUUUUUUU

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So you're saying mister Numbah One is fucking his own relative?

What the fuck is this nightmare fuel?

youtube.com/watch?v=qAXH06d-2ww

They're not related, you sick fuck. Their companies were just part of the same group at one point.

How about instead of it being set in the US it adds an additional playable character in the form of Black Mark which is better than normal Mark but you have to do an even crazier set of tasks to recruit him than Reiji/Chris.

It's videogames. Its fine. It doesn't matter.

Frankly, I don't think any of the modern Persona games vary THAT much in quality for someone to be justified in truly railing against one whilst praising another.

Persona 1 was straight up horror themed
youtu.be/wJQm49Jr1O8

So are we supposed to pretend that Yusuke isn't a Jun clone with a mirrored hairstyle?

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>that one fat kid who was supposed to have a Persona but it mutated him
I wish that kept that in the games as a plot point.

Lone Prayer just gets boring after hearing playing through both routes. For me the bigger sin of the new soundtrack is removing the awakening battle theme.
youtube.com/watch?v=NJfIFzAKR7k
It only plays a few times in the game but it's a great song.

Persona 2 EP PSP got a great fucking remix of Deadline too. I like Bloody Destiny, but fuck man.
youtube.com/watch?v=p0Le5bJDVKU

The true redpill on RPG difficulty is Wizardry IV, although the no. of people who played it at the time or are willing to go back and emulate an old DOS game is so small it's no wonder the game isn't widely recognized for it.

P1's probably my favorite (I went into it ironically and ended up really loving it, both the PS1 and PSP versions), beat P2:IS, started with P4.

I care less about Persona than I do the general occult/mythology aspects so I'm used to it. I enjoy SMT and the elements it has in common with it's spin-offs/sub-series, I just don't care for how Persona's appeal nowadays is so far removed from the basic aspects of the franchise. The Smash content really solidified this; it's about dumb mascots and anime teenagers, without a single demon to be seen.

He just desperately wants to dick Ayase.

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I wish P5fags actually played games.

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I played and finished 4 purse-owners (not counting re-releases) and 5 is still my favorite one, with 2 close behind.

This

Normalfag

remember how everyone used to be able to have multiple Personae because that's what having a Persona fucking means, a mask you wear in one aspect of your life

and then P3 onwards it became "you can totally change who you are on a whim to pander to random NPCs so they like you more, meanwhile your party members are one-dimensional cardboard cutouts who have a single face"

the accidental symbolism of it is really hilarious

LIVE WITH BALLIN MANLY

can't we just agree all the games are shit

This hurts to read, user.

Black Mark >>>>>> Jap Mark

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Does Joker have more crossover appearances than Yu?

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>P5 looks cool but was the easiest of them all
I disagree, if only because P5's lower overall SP stats makes resource management something you may actually have to keep in mind during the late-game. I may be in a unique scenario, though, since I didn't happen to focus on the confidants that allow you to create SP restoring items when I played initially. Either way, that's never really a problem you'll run into in P3 or P4. P3's AI companions makes up for that as far as difficulty is concerned, but 4 is basically just as easy as 5 but with the additional fact that you're unlikely to ever run out of SP during a fight so you can just buff and charge your way to victory without a care in the world.

By far

Wow, never thought I'd see the day that Yu's crossover fun time is surpassed by Joker, given the jokes and memes about P4 never dying at all.

Whoa shit, it's Scarface.

Atlus milking Joker's nips for all that Persona milk. Mmm mmm mmm.

I still feel like ATLUS still has a more firm grasp on Yu's udders for the moment, Joker appeared in a lot of stuff, but it's just minor appearances and cameos, his only dedicated milkings have been PQ2 and DSN, one of which Yu joined him in anyway. I'm sure once he's squeezed dry Joker will have had more squeezed than Yu, but he's a long way away from it at the moment.

>Hashino has mentioned that he doesn't want to use another creator's characters without their permission.
And yet he always gave the greenlight to watered down ripoffs of character archetypes from P1/2, the guy is an absolute hack.

I didn't know p2 owned generic character archetypes

Persona 5 just came out at the right time. Cross promotions, especially with mobile gacha games, are a big thing right now.

Yu and the rest of the P4 Crew still have more official Atlus game appearances though, but that'll probably change after all these various P5 projects are announced and released.

According to this thread, every Persona sucks. What do I play if I want to into SMT?

It takes a simple nod to fall in line
But it takes everything to stand alone
Eventually you may end up crossing the line
And then you fully understand that you're ass is on
Your own
Believe me
I don't judge you just because of what you do
So don't judge me on things I'd rather not do
It ain't easy trying not to fit in
Lost touch to a few close ones cuz I didn't give in
Courageous way of life
Forever it feels like
Gotta fight for my right to be who I really wanna be
It's hard under pressure
Any types of the gestures
Don't matter to aggressors
But I will not fall apart
But I won't
Cave in
Even though
I keep on walking alone
Believe in
Myself
My faith
Can't take my soul nah

I wanna live my life not to just exist
Gonna get my rights so I fight back and resist
They wanna do it like they own me
Make another me like cloning only little do they know me
You can never hold me
Felt as if I was drowning with no water
The blade of pressure hits me got my mind slaughtered
And I kept on shaking telling myself
That I am so much stronger
Than before so much xxxx stronger
Nothing is promised
Nothing is flawless
Everything's a contest
So I've got to take a shot
I will not take a swat
From any spot
Cuz I've got
To fight back
Or else I'm just gonna be back to who I was who I was
The weak me the dark me
I don't stop for a reason
That me's gonna beat me
Determined not to surrender
Under any circumstances
Over my dead body is their only chances

They all suck too, except for my favorite of course, which is a masterpiece, but I think it'd be a bit too, well a lot too if I'm being honest, deep and complex for you to handle so I think you should just not bother

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I see, thank you for enlightening me. Your favourite is truly the holy grail of the series

persona 3/4/5
if you like the myth/occult elements try Nocturne/Strange Journey/IV

Jack Bros

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Did anyone here play this game?

Wizardry IV is just overly sadistic. It's basically impossible to sit down and play through it with hand-drawn maps as intended without having access to any help.

tried giving persona 1 and 2 a fair shot, but the gameplay just feels tedious, which is funny since i never got that feeling playing actual smt games, it had random encounters up the ass and exp is extremely sparse for some reason.

>those rad as hell designs in contrast to the simpler Kaneko designs
makes me laugh, but I appreciate both for different reasons. i really like jack ripper's design on this box art.

P1&2 were batshit insane story-wise, and I loved them for that.
I honestly absolutely hate the concept of "wild cards" implying only certain people are capable of actually changing. It feels like just another way to jerk off the protag and make them feel special.

P1 will always be my favorite Persona. I don't know how P5 managed to have less interesting characters when that game takes around quadruple the time P1 does.

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Wizardry 4 is a masterwork of pure suffering. The beauty of it is, barring a few specific rooms that basically can only be navigated by luck, with enough trial, error, getting lost, and having to erase and redraw after you realize you've been looped around the map or rotated, you actually CAN map out the non-euclidean hellholes. It's just possible enough to make the absurd difficulty of it even more painful.

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P1 and P2 have aged horribly in addition to having weird localizations and no marketing.
I can guarantee if Atlus did an "HD re-release" of P1 and P2 on PS4/Vita/PC/Switch or whatever the fuck, with an option to increase battle/animation speed, they'd pick up a lot more popularity

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>if Atlus did an "HD re-release" of P1 and P2 on PS4/Vita/PC/Switch or whatever the fuck, with an option to increase battle/animation speed
you mean the thing they literally already did?

And I thought B29F from EOV was insane. This makes that floor feel like a picnic.

Wizardry 4 is genuinely amazing in it's sadism. Spinners in the old Wizardry games gave no indication or warning that you'd been spun, save for if you suddenly were facing something that wasn't there the last time you looked. The thick walls are false doorways, the corridors loop, and all the rooms in each row are seemingly identical at first glance, as is every direction at each crossing. But you can always determine if you're facing north by seeing if the door is real, and you have a very limited amount of casts of a spell that gives you your coordinates relative to the stairs. The true beauty of the level is that at first, there's no actual indication of the spinners. You'll figure out the looping pretty quickly since every floor is 20x20 and can't be any larger, but you'll wander for ages thinking the real doors are just randomly oriented and scattered before realizing it's only the ones when you're facing north.

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Fuck yeah

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P1 and P2 are irrelevant. It's like asking how Secret of Mana fans are doing these days. The only reason people bring P1 or P2 up nowadays is in reference to P3, P4, and P5

Just bought P3. Excited to try it. What kind of mindset do you have to be in to enjoy a potentially 100 hour game?

You have to care for the story since no one likes the gameplay of 3

P3 probably has the worst pacing of anything ever created by a human. Prepare for absolutely nothing to happen for hours upon hours only for things to speed up at the ass end of the game

The only real reason to play JRPGs is the story imo. What's fun exactly in turn-based combat in P4/P5 that isn't in 3? Not being ironic.

You're cancer incarnate.

You can't control your teammates unless you're playing the gimped portable version and fusing personas with the skills you want is complete rng

Reminder to buy a Vita for the most kino and comfy Persona experience

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>You can't control your teammates
this part doesn't really matter and I actually kinda prefer it
>and fusing personas with the skills you want is complete rng
this is the worst thing ever

Well, as a JRPG newcomer controlling fewer characters results in less stress, so I see that as a positive. I don't know which difficulty to choose.

The problem is your teammates can and will go full retard.

>Persona 1 and 2 are slow.
What's wirh this retarded meme? They're way faster than nu-Persona due to not having retarded calendar shit.

>Final blows fat asses, get taste.
You should listen to your own advice. Final has amazingly tight gameplay, it only might turn into a snoozefest at the final dungeon, but even then the final boss is worth it.

P1 is really the only one that does Jungian shit well.

P4 exists, though they focus entirely on Jungian psych in there. P1 was more interesting still.

youtube.com/watch?v=o0szQ0iq4E4

>lumps all other spin-offs with smt
yeah it's fine that all these series are dead because they're all smt anyway :))) but persona is unique!

>support personas on PQ
Even then, it's obvious it's just a gameplay element.

Hitler return when?

Who?

>all p3-5 sluts
>not even a quarter of p1-2 girls

Reverse it and you're golden.

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Im sorry but 3 and 4 are too shit for me to care about finishing them and there is NOTHING you can do to convince otherwise

you mean that zero effort shit on psp?
P1P soundtrack is completely botched
P2EP not even translated

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I have a huge amount of respect for the madmen who actually pushed their way through this. The first fucking floor of that hellhole of a dungeon was enough for me. Werdna had it fucking rough.

God I miss Persona 3. I love when shit is in an urban setting and takes place at night

MAXIMUM FUCKING COMFY

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