What's your thoughts on cheating?

cheating to overcome difficulty is gay
cheating to overcome a boring meaningless grind that doesn't provide any enjoyment or difficulty is fine
cheating to make the game more fun/difficult is fine

it depends on the context

>i'm garbage so everyone else must be garbage too
yikes

>>everyone cheats in school when they can get away with it
I never understood how cheating in school became so widespread & universally accepted

like can you imagine the doctor operating on you cheated on his exams or bribed the teacher to get his degree?

B^U is actually totally right. If you're just going to cheat, then why bother even playing? Developing your skill to overcome challenges is the whole point of vidya, and it's the reason it's satisfying.

And for the fags talking about grinding: Yeah, cheating is better than playing, but not playing at all is even better. The only reason you want to keep going is the dogshit story, so just go read a fucking book.

JRPGs aren't video games

No point in cheating, once you pop open the console and spawn the thing in it loses any value. It's meaningless. At least that's how it is for me.

I think because most classes are fucking bullshit that have nothing to do with anything and they're just trying to squeeze more money out of you and also it's pretty easy to tell if someone doesn't know jack shit before or after you hire them

We are all Buckly. Buckly is just a reflection of gamers that we want to deny.

only cheating i've done in 'recent' times was using cheat engine to slow down the final parts of huniepop. i'm colorblind so i couldn't possibly complete that in time otherwise

>everyone cheats through things they dont like
>everyone cheats in games
>people dont like games
Explains a lot tbhesu

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I mean I hack tes blades. I mean it's a money sink anyways and I dont think Bethesda deserves money now.

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I see cheats as another way to enjoy the game. Ya see back in the day pretty much every game you got had a bunch of cheat codes that the developer put there so you could fool around with. It could be to unlock all of the weapons, or give infinite ammo, let you clip through the map or just make the engine go nuts(flying cars, gravity and such.)
Idk about you guys but the first thing I do when I get a new gta is pull up a list of cheats and fuck around the map. Now it's the fans that create mods that do a bunch of crazy shit.
There's merit to completing a game the way the developer intended, and I think people should at least for the first play through. But if I bought the game and Im not having fun with the base design, fuck it I'm gonna load up some mods until I get my money's worth.

>play game
>fight hard boss
>die multiple times
>get boss part way down
>make save state
>load when dead
I played Viewtiful Joe and had a hard time with Fire Leo, made a state and didn't actually use it and died and started from beginning of the fight. Now my brain feels like I cheated even though I loaded the state twice and never actually continued from it.

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All colors are just values, m8. You just have to see them.

Sounds like a pretty shitty life

I really don't give a fuck as long as you don't do it in competitive MP games or write an article about it

There is no such thing as cheating. Lets take CS
>Train your muscle memory and starts
>Get a game sense and buy good stereos
Or
>Install wallhack and aim

Both give you the same advantage over other players, both methods are unfair against other players. Its as fun getting.dunked by a cheater and a better player.

Installing cheats is like training except it doesnt take as long. The result is the same and thats all that matters

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> (OP)
>cheating to overcome difficulty is fine
>cheating to overcome a boring meaningless grind that doesn't provide any enjoyment or difficulty is gay
>cheating to make the game more fun/difficult is gay
>it depends on the context

Depends on the payoff and time investment required. Trivial reward for hours of menial labor? I'm cheating 10/10 times.

I am baffled by how bad videogame journalists are. Sekiro is by far the easiest game I've played made by FromSoftware. No boss had me stuck once, every boss has some kind of weakness that you can exploit for openings. This is just like that dove playing Cuphead all over again.

It depends for me. If the point of the game is the challenge (like darksouls) then I'd rather sit and play until I beat it. If it's just pointless loot like in borderlands that takes hours to grind for because of RNG then fuck that. Hack it in

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>Both give you the same advantage over other players
It's not the same. Auto aim is like ten times better than any skill you could possibly have.
>both methods are unfair against other players
Dying to auto aimer is unfair because a lot of the time there's nothing you can do to possibly outperform him. On the contrary even good players do a lot of mistakes so even trash players have a chance against them. You can't even compare a good amount of time and effort spent into honing your abilities with simply installing the shit that plays instead of you. It makes me think you're either baiting or simply retarded.
>Installing cheats is like training except it doesnt take as long. The result is the same and thats all that matters
No it isn't, I would tell you to stop being bad but it's pointless. You're far beyond the worst players. No matter how hard you try to convince yourelf you will always remain a faggot.

*abuses shitty ai, glitches and bugs*
hehe, truly a honest and respectful victory

This pasta is cringeworthy, it pretends that cheating in a video game that you paid for is the equivalent of cheating in the Olympics or some shit. Get over yourselves, lmao

>I don't like what this game is doing
>Therefore I will cheat just to get to the end instead of dropping it like every other medium or thing in the world
What is wrong with people?

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>everyone cheats in school
Not all of us are dumb niggers
Some of us didn't need to cheat

Chinese hands typed this.

>thinks it's better to drop something rather than to find a way to enjoy it
Ghost Stories dub would like to have a word with you
youtube.com/watch?v=iv0w6EffYfY

this is possibly the dumbest shit I've read all week

there's been plenty of times I save stated, then never used the state but I still feel like a piece of shit for save stating

>I'm willing to literally waste my time to gain hollow feeling of accomplishment by beating made up challenge
>W-why doesn't he want to waste his time too!?

Gameplayfags, everyone.

>spend time enjoying game
>"lol wasted time"
who fucking gives a fuck dude, just enjoy life before you die

why even bother playing games then you absolute nigger? Fuck off forever

In which case it doesn't really matter how other person chooses to enjoy their single player game, does it?

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you're right it doesn't, I just called you out on your retarded shit

Good bait. Have a (you).

If you don't want the challenge, why play the game at all. Just watch a lets play.

Cheating in single player or solely CoOp games aren't bad, because I do it a lot to fuck around. I mainly play them without cheats unless it's something like gtav mods.

I'm assuming with this post though, you're also asking about the dark souls argument. If someone cheats on Soul of Cinder, I don't care. It is a "hollow victory" but it doesn't affect me personally

If cheating is the way you get the most fun out of a game, and you don't prevent someone else having fun at the same time (e.g. by using cheats in MP), then cheat all you want.

Nothing is ever risked or gained in video games, unless it's some sort of competitive tournament.
Cheating there is where it's actually bad.
The only thing we can ever risk, outside of that scenario, is our time.
And we never gain our time back. We may as well do what we can to reduce the amount of time spent, by cheating, to get the most out of what we can do.

Read the OP bud. Implication is that people who didn't cheat earned or learned something. They haven't, they just spent more time on same vapid entertainment. Likewise, this entire thread is filled with people who believe that they are better because they haven't cheated in game.

Your ability to game made up challenges is quite inconsequential. Your willingness to spend your time on inconsequential entertainment is by no means something to boast about.

I doubt that. The typo smells like a burger.

MODS = DOG EATING INSECTS

Dont FUCK with gamers

I don't give a fuck about the OP, I play games to enjoy myself wether it's challenging or not. you just called it "wasting time" even though cheating is also wasting time by your definition. ALL entertainment is "wasting time" when you say it like that, but I don't give a shit as long as I enjoy it

I remember getting an action replay and hacking in a bunch of shiny Pokemon into Pokemon Pearl version. I then realized that I virtually inflated the worth of shinies because now they had no actual rarity. I didn’t even have any drive to train them anymore. So I ended up deleting them all and returning the action replay. It’s why people still play Minecraft in survival mode as aposed to creative mode. The obstacles involved in achieving something make that achievement much more meaningful.

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I don't care if you cheat in a single player game but don't go acting like you really beat it if you did

I pretty much only cheat to mess around with the game. GTA:SA is one of my favorite games to cheat in. Doing things like spawning a bunch of hovercraft inside a plaza, then getting on top of a building and trying to survive the explosions after detonating a pack of C4. Spawning a jumpjet and just flying around. Getting on top of a car and throwing C4/grenades at all the other cars on the road.
I never saved the game after using cheats, though.

The only time I've really cheated to get ahead was in Dark Souls 3. I used CheatEngine to give myself a few dozen titanite slabs because unlike DS2, where you could farm them, they decided slabs should have a limited number per playthrough. This didn't really make me any more powerful, because I already had a few weapons fully upgraded; it just let me try out more weapon types.

But you don't gain anything from playing video games. Wasting 3 hours on 15 minutes worth of entertainment is not smart.

>spend an half an hour backstabbing the same three ninja rats to get enough skillpoints for the move I want to use
>edit skillpoint value in CE and be done with it
there's no difference in playerskill between these two actions so why would I choose option 1, it's just a blatant waste of time

>come home from a 9 hour shift doing physical labor
>made good money and can feel good about myself
>want to cool off with some vidya
>"nah better not because some user said it isn't smart"
do you even enjoy anything? do you do productive shit 24/7?

>It's not the same. Auto aim is like ten times better than any skill you could possibly have.
Sure, but in real world context it doesnt matter. If it takes for you to 1 second to aim and hit while a good player does it in 0.5 then it doesnt matter if cheater does it even faster. Your gameplay experience remains constant.

Plus cheats arent that blatant these days.

>Dying to auto aimer is unfair because a lot of the time there's nothing you can do to possibly outperform him.
Same goes for someone that has thousands of hours sunk in.
>On the contrary even good players do a lot of mistakes so even trash players have a chance against them.
Hackers make even more mistakes due to their lack of understanding the game. And no, in a purely skill based game like CS, Chess or Halo the better player win always win. RNG games like MtG dont count
>You can't even compare a good amount of time and effort spent into honing your abilities with simply installing the shit that plays instead of you.
Sure but that doesnt matter. Its the gameplay experience of your opponent which matters and that remains constant regardless. He or she still gets shit on, he or she will still think youre hacking.
>It makes me think you're either baiting or simply retarded.
You dont get it, do you?

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Cheating really does tend to rob you of the fun of it. I remember being young and cheating in AOE1 and 2 and I have little strong nostalgia for it compared to RomeTW1 or Medieval 2. But it's not a flat situation because of stuff like It's just more rewarding to overcome the challenge than to dismiss the challenge. I'd sooner support an easy mode to Sekiro than cheating. As much as the copypasta is meme'd, it's true that you cheat yourself by cheating. Short of a cheat to do something funny you might as well watch a let's play.

nothing wrong with this, from seriously fucked up by not letting us have a respec system in this game

I'm not the type of person to brag about killing a bunch of highly programmed AI nor it's a good idea to cheat a game that you have never beaten before. Difficult games like sekiro are meant to be well.. challenging, it's not mandatory to play the game itself so if you are struggling that badly and want to beat the game, keep at it and rechallenge and don't cheat because doing so you earn nothing from it. Otherwise? Just play a different game, it's not for everyone anyways and there is no shame pulling out.

>CS
>purely skill based
hahahaha holy shit animeposters are unbelievably retarded
also nice cope

The additional trees you unlock later on just made it worse
You get punished for unlocking too much in the initial trees because you're just making the later ones a chore

>Play game
>Get to THAT part
>Die
>Die
>Die
>End up looking up a strat or build that makes the challenge piss easy
I mean, the game allows it, but it still feels like a cheated at it. Death in Castlevania 1 is either the most difficult boss ever or the easiest thing in the world, and it all depends in you having 2 items in your inventory.

Getting a to moment in a videogame where you hate doing it but you HAVE to do it to progress is far different from enjoying a humorous dub. The former has no enjoyment attached to it unless you like getting stuck grinding shit and even then you don't really hate it now do you?

Dude, I don't care what you do. I saying it's not some grand achievement to play the same level 20 times because you keep fucking up one spot or killing the same monsters over and over to watch little numbers go up. To call that "growing" is fucking hilarious.

I got the game to play the game. If there's too much grinding, I'll play something else.

>to call that "growing" is fucking hilarious.
I agree, even though the OP statement is really talking about a hard boss and not grinding
but that wasn't my point, I referred to you saying entertainment isn't smart. I'd argue it actually is, staying happy is important and you need to cool off with entertainment

My point is, don't make it out to be more than it is. If someone wants to play on easy and then get back to their life, what is the problem there?

All winners are cheaters, no exception.

Only losers wont realize this.

>I feel like this comic is about
It's an edit of a "WE'RE GAMERS, DON'T FUCK WITH US" comic using a stupid tweet about the Sekiro argument, sooner.

I enjoy cheating in games that I'm already good at and no longer have any challenge to them, but that I still enjoy.
>played GTA:O with friends a lot
>we mostly kept to ourselves and did the import/export mode
>more player kills than deaths from when people would attack us
>buy menyoo and niggermenu
>can suddenly fly around in a fighter jet at 550k/ph
>weaving through buildings in the middle of the city and dodging rockets
>once saw a guy in a tank bullying lowbies
>so I teleported him into the ocean

not that user, but there is no problem. if you want to autistically play factorio after work, or idkfa through doom, nobody gives a shit. the thing people give a shit is when you claim your cheating gameplay to be on the same level of people who play normally. to visualise using a food analogy, it's allright to come home and cook high class dinner, just as it's fine to buy instant ramen, but don't get buttblasted when people call you out on your shit eating habits.

>bragging about video games

there is no problem with that, I agree there. I took issue with something else, but we're ultimately in agreement

Doesn't matter for single player since the only person affected is yourself, pretty shit thing to do in multiplayer where you inconvenience and ruin the experience for others.

Sometimes cheats are fun for goofing around with due unintended effects like putting in appropriate movesets on characters or cosmetic effects and the like, or when things like Level Select is a cheat and otherwise unavailable.

Who the fuck plays games to grow or improve?

me

games are far more accessible now than in any previous iteration. i can understand using cheat engine for some laughs or to learn more about a game's functionality, but aside from that cheats don't really serve a purpose modernly.

It's hard to see any value in HuniePop

It depends really. The sekiro cheating was homosex because he used cheats to make up for lack of ability. I would only use cheats to make up for lack of convenience, like changing the pickaxe speed in terraria in the beginning of a new world.

I find that arguable.
UGH! What the fuck! of course you screwed up AGAIN!

VIDEO GAMES ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY OTHER REDEEMING QUALITIES THEREFORE I BASE MY ENTIRE IDENTITY AROUND BEING GOOD AT ENJOYING WORTHLESS ENTERTAINMENT

Better a shitty life than no life at all.

Godspeed user.

>All this grandstanding and superiority complex by San Francisco bugmen upset that they aren't good at a ninja game.

Y'all do know that people get raped right?

I sometimes cheat in single player games if I've already beaten it and am trying to extract some extra fun out of it.

In MP, I play fair and will even give the opponent a chance to win if I see there's a wide skill gap.