Why is it so beloved Yea Forums?

Based contrarianism

im playing through it for the first time right now. just got ayla. game so far has great music, story, and im enjoying the combat a lot

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OH MY DICK

Chrono Trigger is still king of RPG pacing. The game never drags. It's structured like a television serial. You have an overarching goal, an A plot, that always drives you forward. And each chapter (conveniently named in the save file) has it's own B plot. Which makes the game feel incredibly springy and digestible. It breaks up the monotony of most RPG patterns of town, dungeon, boss and doesn't have any long stretches of busy work. Each chapter starts you with a goal, you run into a complication, have to resolve that conflict, and the chapter closes with a resolution that functions like a TV episode cliffhanger.

The only other game that has plot structure anywhere close to being as tight as Chrono Trigger is maybe Mass Effect 2.

>The game was basically 10 years ahead of the competition mechanically when it came out
Ohhhh boi, here we go

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SQUARE! HIRE THIS MAN!

because its bretty good you pleb faggot NIGGER

>tfw want to start this up on my 3DS but have no time this week

Excellent pacing, charming story and characters, simple but fun gameplay, awesome music, and time travel. It's just an incredibly well polished, great game.

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What do Trigger fans think of the spiritual successor?

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prove him wrong faggot

I'm frustrated by how young they all look. These guys were all a bunch of 30 year olds making masterpieces in the 90s and I'm here at the same age jerking off to Overwatch porn.

whack

No it didn't you fucking retard, all the characters are the same thing, the story sucks ass and the game takes forever for absolutely no reason because you don't get anything worthwhile out of the experience

Never played. Read mixed reviews though.

It's the only tolerable JRPG out there, I love it.

it sucks

I see that Chrono Cross has its own ''FFXV-Kun'' on this board.

>mfw Cross fags think the following is a "good story"

"Where did this sorry tale all begin...? Was it 10 years ago, when you almost drowned here? Or was it 14 years ago, when you were wounded by that panther demon that attacked you...resulting in you being carried to Chronopolis where you came into contact with FATE and the Frozen Flame...? Or perhaps it was even 2,400 years in the future, when the Time Crash hurled Chronopolis back to prehistoric times? Or even it could have been 12,000 B.C., when an ancient magical kingdom met its end after trying to use Lavos...?"

"Each is close to being correct... And yet, at the same time, so far from the right answer! The true beginning was during the destruction of the ancient Kingdom of Zeal!"

"Schala and Lavos became unified into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into the Devourer of Time. Filled with the hatred and sadness of Lavos, half of Schala's mind became set on destroying all of existence. Yet at the same time, the other half of her mind desired to save the universe and to be rescued herself. As Schala fell through the time gate in this condition, she heard your crying echoing through time... That is when her story and yours began to intertwine..."

"Led by the pitiful crying the young Serge made as the panther demon's poison took hold of him... Princess Schala traveled ten thousand years in time to try and make contact with this dimension! This caused a raging magnetic storm that resulted in FATE's system malfunction, which led Serge to the Frozen Flame. Yes, Serge... The sound of your crying touched the heart of Princess Schala..."

"Schala left her baby daughter-clone with her ancient pendant, possessing magical powers. This was to safeguard her daughter-cone in life-and-death situations. The pendant would rewind time a little, sending her daughter-clone into a safer point in the immediate past."

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Sorry, I forgot the Mother series. Love them as well.

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Cont.

The events of Chrono Cross are all driven by the fact a super future research facility, that can manipulated time and space... didn't have a back-up generator installed during a big thunderstorm. LMAO

I honestly miss the convoluted stories from PSX RPGs.

it literally took like 10 posts for seething crosstards to appear LMAO

To be fair, the story isn't the problem. The delivery, on the other hand...

You should try Final Fantasy, Mario Rpgs, or Pokemon. You can mash attack to win in those games as well.

>b.c.
does that mean chrono trigger universe had jesus in it

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Oh wait, somebody in this thread believes anything that idiot said?
Christ, this board gets lower and lower, Chrono Trigger didn't even have something as basic as proper attack attributes for weapon, nor any sort of customization or player agency beyond selecting a checkpoint ending, which wasn't even something original by then as there's NES games with the same exact design.
Nothing that fool said is even remotely correct and CT is just as mechanically archaic for its time as the average console RPG of the time, Romancing SaGa 2 alone blows it out of the water and that's just considering one game from Square's own output, if you want to actually look at the SNES library it's outdone even by some Banpresto games liek Traverse, the fucking Banpresto that published the SRW games.
Even some Ascii Soft game like Dark Law is considerably deeper mechanically by playing in the same exact design field and it's a 15 hours game with next to no budget.

Nobody who actually plays RPGs can pretend CT was even remotely interesting mechanically, it did look very good for its time, Mitsuda did a great job on the OST, but that's it, even Cross does a better job than Trigger in the mechanical field and that's another hot mess of stolen mechanics made somehow worse than the source materials, hell CT even stole the time travelling gimmick from SaGa 3, and that's a game boy game.

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I only played Chrono Trigger recently as an adult (28), but I agree with everything you've said. I loved every moment of playing it.

that's your opinion mr soi, nobody of what you typed is FACTUAL, nice try lmao.

I already tried them all, I couldn't stand them.

>even Cross does a better job than Trigger in the mechanical field
nice try retard you blew it

I feel like TWEWY comes close in that regard.

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trannies are fucking disgusting

Too bad the DS version decided to go "lol fuck that" for whatever reason. It's optional at least.

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What.

I would kill to get this made into a game

It's fun, it's simple to pick up and play, the story gets going real quick, the drama isn't long-winded, and it's less than 20 hours unless you're really lost and hopeless with JRPGs. You basically don't need to grind if you're not running from everything, and it's balanced really well until late to end game where you're a bit overpowered for everything short of Lavos (and a bit of grinding and some liberal Luminaire solves that problem).

Some say it's overrated, but personally I think it's an excellent introductory JRPG for those wanting to get into the genre, and a fun little anime adventure romp through time for oldbies who want to kill some time. Metaphorically.

>that's your opinion
Oh no, these are hard, quantifiable facts that as always, you triggerniggers choose to ignore.
Chrono Trigger doesn't even let you choose equipment properly because it's all character specific, that alone puts it below the average DQ or games like FFV in terms of depth, and if you want to compare it to actually deep systems like any SaGa game or some sim RPGs of the time like Uncharted Waters or Lunatic Dawn it's plain kiddy shit with barely even a fifth of the mechanics, and most of those are ill implemented as well, like positioning or AoE.
Cross is mechanically better than Trigger in every respect, despite being a mess it's a much more coherent system than Trigger, and most of its mechanics actually work as intended, it's also one of the few games that implement an antigrind system in a meaningful way, which is nice.
Unfortunately, it repeats many of the same mistakes Trigger did, but then again I never said it's a good game either in terms of mechanics, just better than Trigger, which honestly, doesn't take much.

Cross had absolutely godlike music, and the gameplay was pretty unique and enjoyable. I think the main strikes against it is how convoluted the story gets near the end, and the EXTREME lack of double/triple techs to really add some signature touches/cohesion to your party.
All of the mysteries and losing your body to Lynx were actually very gripping plot threads but fuck me if the later stuff didn't drain my enthusiasm.

I'd give it a 7.5-8.5/10

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Because it's better than ANY modern game.
Your a faggot zoomer into the trash you go.
>Cross is better
You would have a argument if cross was a trigger game it's not try again.
>Cross has better gameplay. Trigger has a much better story.
Nope
>It does everything right and nearly nothing wrong
Uh huh sure zoomer go die in a fire.
Go play dark souls nigger zoomer.
Get some taste or your not into JRPGS
>>even Cross does a better job than Trigger in the mechanical field
Fuck off back to zoomer land

You people are fucking sad cunts who NEED to stay out of my games and go back to apex or jack off your dog. You know NOTHING about good games fuck off and kill yourselves your family never breed and die.

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Everything the DS version added was garbage. A bunch of fetch quests in a game that was famous for having none and a band-aid for the weirdness of Chrono Cross.

cringe but redpilled

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Fair enough

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Saved my plan is working.

based

Are you just taking issue with the guy's "10 years ahead mechanically" sentence? The other stuff he said isn't unreasonable. Deeper isn't better. No one would argue it's the deepest RPG around, just that the mechanics feel good and the game is fun to play.

cringe

Have sex

Good plotting.

The story is garbage. It's power of friendship vs a world ender with no personality. The plotting of the story however is master class stuff. The gameplay is also shit and it's so easy as to be tedious to play. I wish it was a movie instead.

>B.C.
>Before Chrono

Cool premise backed by a likable cast, wonderful music and solid gameplay. It's basically hits every check for what the average fan wants from a JRPG.

good one

I feel like Seiken Densetsu 3 would have been as beloved as CT if it ever got localized.

>The story is garbage
Keep going at this rate i may piss myself LMFAO!

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SD3 can be a bit plodding at times. I actually think I prefer Secret of Mana.

I really should give 3 a chance. I do not like nor hate it to be honest.

SD3 is great, I need to replay it sometime with a new party. My only playthrough has been Duran/Hawk/Angela so far.

It didn't really fix all the stop/go problems in combat that Secret of Mana had before it, so probably not

Do a Kevin run. Dude's fucking broken

Cross is not better in any way

It doesn't do anything new but it does everything really well.

>Are you just taking issue with the guy's "10 years ahead mechanically" sentence?
Mostly, but that post is just full of bullshit in general.
>The other stuff he said isn't unreasonable
Well of course it isn't, because most of it is straight up false, but what can you expect from people who do not play videogames?
>Deeper isn't better.
If you're a casual, sure, but then why make the claim to begin with? Why say it's supposedly ten years ahead of the competition when it can't even begin to approach games that came out before it?

You know, Chrono Trigger is one of those games, like Earthbound, that is perfect for people who do not actually like JRPGs.
It's mechanically bland, doesn't put any sort of resistance, has no real thought put into it outside of the presentation, but has those clever little visual gimmicks that are perfect to make the normalfag believe the game is a lot more than it actually is, like the meaningless positioning, the fancy AoE targeting or the lack of battle transition.
It's one of those games that failed normalfags adore because it makes them believe they're different from the rest of the poor sods who at the very least are honest enough to say the enjoy simple JRPGs for what they are, it's a game for posers who want to pretend they're too sophisticated to be casuals, and consequently seethe when people point out how thin the farce is.
Anyway, what you like ain't none of my business, you're entitled to your own taste, just remember to not make absurd claims with no basis whatsoever and we can all get along just fine, as long as you say bullshit though, prepare to get BTFO by people who actually know their shit.

If there's a game that deserves a sort of Turbo hack like SoM's been getting lately, it's probably SD3. Then again a general bug fix patch would also help.

What JRPGs do you like, then?

He probably likes Final Fantasy or some shit like that.

True Jrpgs like Persona.

>Seething this much over someone not liking a toy you like.

Enjoying simpler games in addition to deeper ones isn't casual. Sometimes you're in the mood for a smooth ride. And when you get down to it, the vast majority of RPGs are easy. The more complex ones might put up more resistance, but they aren't that much more challenging in the end.

By the way, are you the one who got into a long argument about FFV not having a variety of options in another thread?

>a world ender with no personality.
That's actually interesting though. Remember that you end up in the ruined future before you even know about Lavos. You're left wondering what the hell happened. Then you find out it was some giant kaiju thing that just erupted out of the ground one day. You know nothing about it or where it came from and it's clearly capable of global annihilation. But you resolve to at least try to stop it. You think you have a lead when you suspect Magus, the game's apparent main villain, created Lavos so you march into his endgame-like castle. You interrupt him in the middle of some magic ritual and enter a fight with multiple stages and completely different music. This is, by all indications, the last boss.

...

Then Lavos roars and you fall into a giant portal.

You're not even close to finished. You soon learn that Lavos is the rock that fell from space in prehistory and killed the dinosaurs. And then find out that it was deified by a long lost civilization and Magus, who is from that civilization, was trying to kill it, too. And then when you do finally come face to face with it, you get utterly ass raped and lose your main (and mandatory) party member.

You spend the rest of the game regrouping. You bring Crono back to life and get closure for each characters' story arc. But by the time you've done all that, you haven't gained any advantage on Lavos. Remember, you can fight it at any time once you reach the end of time about 3 hours into the game. You probably try every so often. But you're going to get curbstomped. The entire game is nothing but a seemingly impossible boss fight being dangled in front of you. And when you lose to it you GET AN ENDING. The game wants you to fight Lavos so you'll lose to it. It wants you to feel like it is unkillable. By the time you've 100% completed the game the last memory you have of the thing is it being unkillable.

...

And you go fight it anyway.

Those games need actual hit-stun. I never feel like any attack is actually connecting. It makes combat feel weird and unsatisfying.

Nice pilpul, you stupid faggot. If you were intelligent enough to make a point, you would do it in one paragraph.

>claims to have facts
>offers nothing but subjective opinions and references to esoteric games without citing anything about them specifically

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I literally can't think of a single flaw in this game.

To be fair, there really were very few RPGs that ditched random encounters in the 10 years that followed Chrono Trigger. There was Mario RPG and the Lunar remakes. Most others stuck with the archaic time sink of random battles.

>mechanics actually work as intended
You keep saying that. What mechanics in CT are not working "as intended"?

Shut up, ginger.

He's already fucking listed some.
He likes stuff like Romancing SaGa 2, where equipment display stats don't necessarily match their actual stats, or stuff like SaGa 3 where the time travel is completely window dressing and doesn't effect item acquisition like it does in Trigger.

Basically he's arguing to argue on the basis that he's played more old JRPGs than I have he hasn't

Look at this jew losing his shit.

good story that isn't dragged out by grinding and useless fluff.
for people with actual lives that want to enjoy and finish an interactive story with compelling gameplay over the course of a weekend.
Just the best designed RPG ever with an all-star cast of game designers, artists, and musicians.

This. I did love the class system though. Riesz and Hawk for life.

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He's not wrong that those games have more complicated systems than CT. But it feels like he wants to show off his knowledge of RPGs by namedropping more than anything else.

Why do they let Australians post here?

I like many, from old franchises like Metal Max to small games like The Last Ranker.
What does that have to do with anything though? Are you trying to push the usual witch hunt argument like
>B...but your favourite game is also shit
Yes, I do like games that are admittedly very, very casual and not really complex, again Last Ranker is an example of that, however, unlike you I do not pretend they're anything more than that.
>Enjoying simpler games in addition to deeper ones isn't casual.
Sure, but pretending your casual game is anything but that is, again, you're entitled to your own taste.
Trying to worm out of an argument with a faint hearted apology like "b...but in the end they're all easy, haha" doesn't really put you in a good light and only shows how much you want to move the goalposts.
>are you the one who got into a long argument about FFV not having a variety of options in another thread?
No, what was that about?
>there really were very few RPGs that ditched random encounters in the 10 years that followed Chrono Trigger
Not really, and it's not like CT was the first game without random encounters either.
Unless by JRPGs you only mean classic RPGs, that's somewhat true, but again, CT isn't an outlier, nor was a trend setter in that regard.
Positioning for one.
AoE attacks.
The ATB (To be fair it's not CT's fault, ATB is shitty system in general)
90% of the combat system, mostly due to the game non existent difficulty.

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There's fuck tons of hit stun in Secret of Mana.
Enemies crumple in a heap and can't do shit for some time

Kevin run sounds fun. Might as well mix it up and use all the characters I didn't the first time. Kevin, Riesz, and Carlie it is.

What game is this?

>where the time travel is completely window dressing
So is it in CT, you think there's some sophisticated time travel "mechanic" behind putting a item flag twice?

Because of the music

I'm not moving goalposts, I just think it's silly to act elitist about JRPGs of all things. The FFV thread had a similar discussion. Guy named a bunch of Japanese only or obscure RPGs while calling FFV shallow, argued that none of it's options matter so it doesn't really have variety. He just had a similar typing style I guess.

Why do they allow Isrealis to post here?

>Positioning for one.
>AoE attacks.
>The ATB (To be fair it's not CT's fault, ATB is shitty system in general)
>90% of the combat system, mostly due to the game non existent difficulty.
Could you actually explain? How are they not working as intended?

What's wrong with ATB? It's a lot better than "all your guys go, then all enemies go" of a lot of other games. FFX wasn't bad with how it did it but ATB is pretty elegant.

The average consumers doesn't care about the variables, flags and event logic behind these things, you know. Not everyone thinks about how Final Fantasy, Saga or Chrono works internally like their brain works on RPG Maker or something. And how advanced the mechanics of a game are mean absolutely nothing if they're not fun.

Million Arthur: Arcana Blood

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>too stupid to understand what obfuscation means
Kill yourself, brainlet.

Yes, I do feel like having an effect is more sophisticated than having absolutely zero effect.

Positioning and the AoE attacks in CT work, it's just not very important usually because the game is easy enough for it not to matter. You can play through without thinking about it really. That's what he means I believe. But those mechanics are still fun in my opinion despite that.

Some people don't like it, but ATB is my favorite battle system still.

I mean some kind of feedback. Hitting an enemy in Secret of Mana doesn't have the same impact as hitting an enemy in, say, A Link to the Past. You don't feel like you hit anything. You swing your weapon and the enemy reacts but it doesn't feel like you've actually touched them.

the overarching story is just fine, it just needed an explanation for all the time traveling sending you to the most convenient eras. there's clearly a helping hand and the dark room fedora man hints at that but its not properly explained so it seems like manifest destiny bullshit even though you'd think it would be the opposite.

maybe the game is rushed? it feels like the plot accelerates super fast in the second half. zeal is mega short too.

Why are CTfags so defensive?
One of the worst JRPG fanbases next to Mother fans (specifically Mother 3).

Its pretty clear that the entity is the planet.

They don't seem overly defensive to me.

This is more clear in the Japanese version apparently.
But really it's Alfador.

I'm actually blown away that there is someone so fucking stupid that they didn't understand CT.

eat shit faggot

Asking someone to back up their claims = defensive on Yea Forums. Whenever you see someone whining about a fanbase, translate it in your head to "I got BTFO in an argument"

Brainlet losing his fucking mind.

it's called convergence you fucking retarded zoomer, the reason the events taking place in the game feel like they are speeding up is that the plot is converging toward it's climax
jesus fucking christ you kids are goddamn stupid now

how? the planet shows no sign of sentience at any point.

I don't think the gates need much of an explanation other than "they're there because the game needs them to be." CT handwaves it by talking about temporal disturbances or something along those lines but it'd be like trying to explain why the bricks in Mario float in mid-air.

Chrono Trigger toys with this during the forest sleepover but it's not super clear. I think it's really just a handwave. All that planet shit didn't become a big thing until Chrono Cross which was basically 40 hours worth of "fuck humans."

It’s insanely overrated. Dialogue is unbelievably simplistic and basic even for a game meant to appeal to kids. Extremely boring environments, trudging through the future and past is an utter chore. And of course the really boring fighting system that like all JRPGs takes up 95% of playtime even though it’s not even fun to do.

funny how only ct suffers from that.

You didn't understand shit, you stupid commie faggot. Explain what CT 'meant' right now, you pile of shit.

The guiding hand is literally the planet itself.
This is super hinted at in the sidequest where the red gate that lets Lucca save her mom's legs shows up

>suffers
>from a common narrative structure
0 IQ

>I just think it's silly to act elitist about JRPGs of all things
Pointing out blatant falsehood is "acting elitist" now? Are you shitting me?
>Guy named a bunch of Japanese only or obscure RPGs while calling FFV shallow,
Well, FFV is pretty shallow, much better than the rest of the series, but it's just because the bar is set low to begin with.
It would take a looong post to explain how all of those don't work, but just taking positioning for instance, it's pointless because:
>You can't actively change yours, meaning half of the meaning behind positioning is already lost
>The game is effectively too easy for what remains of the positioning elements to matter
>AoE is therefore rendered pointless due to not being able to actually position yourself, outside of a handful of bosses that are specifically built for that, at which point AoE is more of a gimmick than an actual mechanic
>The more exotic AoE shapes are pointless because again, you can actually exploit their inherent shapes due to lack of agency on your side of the field, not to mention that there's also full screen attacks that render those even more worthless
>Skills are vastely unbalanced on top of the game being too easy, while some others are pretty much the same thing as others with a different dressing, which leads to redundancy
There's a lot to talk about.
>Yes, I do feel like having an effect
What effect are you talking about?
SaGa 3 was structured as a linear game in which the past you travel to is effectively a different dimension altogether, in fact the entire theme of the game was CHANGING the future, which in fact does change without leading to paradoxes, CT doesn't, it's purely a narrative choice, the idea behind both game is the very same, it's just that CT pretends that time travelling makes sense and you want to pretend it's a lot smarter than it actually is because you can get an item twice.

I feel like the writes of Cross forgot the game doesn't take place on our world. The ocean is so clean in Chrono world that you can actually breathe in parts of it and the world is so colorful that basically everywhere looks like a coral reef. Not to mention, didn't the Reptites live in a big stone fortress on a volcano with no plant life whatsoever? Didn't they burn an entire forest to the ground at one point?

Everyone says it has a good story but my immersion was totally broken early on when they mistook Marle for her ancestor. Sorry, but that is just not believable at all.

Nah, a lot of stories do. Game of Thrones threw out all kind of logic regarding travel time compared to the early seasons. Chrono Trigger doesn't even have the problem in the first place anyway. The reason the game feels like it speeds up is because the back end of the game is mostly side quests and you can technically fight Lavos at any time and have it "make sense" story-wise right after the Black Omen appears.

>very overt plotline about heroes saving the world
>HRRRRRRRRRRRRR WHAT DID IT MEAN
Fucking idiot. Also how fucking dare you call me a commie, fucking disgusting thing to call someone who doesn't have it coming

Fuck off, you stupid jew.

It isn't corrections or points you're making that makes you an elitist it's the whole way you write. Your posts are full of insults and you act like you're the only one here who's played a bunch of lesser known RPGs.

>fucked pacing that leaves tons of things unexplained is common and a good thing

name one single thing that was "unexplained" you fucking moron

Shut up you Nazi
Chrono Trigger and Mother 3 are perfect games

One interpretation of that scene is that the red gate is actually Lavos's doing. The idea being that it wants Lucca to save her mom because if she didn't witness the accident she may not have taken up science and never built the telepod and gate key in the first place. The gate being red and the creepy music is small but somewhat convincing evidence of this. It turns out that Lucca still takes up science regardless but still, it'd be an effective strategy if the goal was to stop these interlopers.

>Yeah what you're saying is right but I don't like your tone waaah ;_;
Please please please go back to resetera or reddit or tumblr or wherever the fuck you sensetive vagina men come from.

To be fair the El Nino islands were created around Fate and all that complicated crap, they're like a super terrain location that was likely "optimized" for growth. Meanwhile regardless of the timeline, Guardia still got sacked and lord knows what's happening to the world outside of the islands that, besides temporal circumstances, we never leave in all of Cross. But yeah, when all these things start bitching about humanity when the most major shit is Lynx, the Porre empire fuckwits, and the goddamn Dwarves causing hell, it's real obvious that the Dragon Gods were either just being biased Reptite pieces of shit or the writers slipped too much green earth.

Wow, calling someone a socialist? Not cool dude.

muh time travel confusing paradoxes
muh schala
muh entity
muh

I never said what you're saying is right.

>I'm going to be an obstinate child and pretend I have something to be smug about
Okay?

And?

>it's the whole way you write
Ohhh sorry if pointing out how pathetic you are hurts your feefees, maybe you should go back to your social media of choice if you can't deal with getting called an idiot for acting like one.
>Your posts are full of insults
I am the one insulting people when triggerniggers like are having literal meltdowns in here?
Are you serious dude?
How fucking conceited do you have to be?
Do you want a fucking medal for lying on the internet and perpetuating an endless cycle of bullshit, fanboyism and ignorance?

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name one single paradox
schala was magus' older sister and daughter of the queen of zeal what the fuck was there to explain
what entity you fucking idiot?

CTfags everyone! No argument and nothing but hurt feelings and childish tantrums to go on.

I do it because there's no comeback to it, therefore I win the argument and my favorite games can no longer be criticized
Common tactic from those of us from resetera
We have to protect these games at all costs

Because square didn't bring over most of its RPG's

everything in chrono trigger was done in other games they put out, but because nobody played them trigger is seen as some kind of peerless masterpiece instead of just a high quality game that builds heavily on a bunch of other games fro within the same few years by the same company

>name one single paradox
Dude, the game LITERALLY starts with a paradox as a premise.
You travel back to the past to fix the future, can't get any more paradoxical than this.

socialism is evil dude don't just call random people evil it's not morally justified

lavos isnt really a plotting being though.

is based though, your posts are cringe.

in the game time is linear you absolute fucking moron

According to Cross he is.

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imagine being too retarded to notice how conflicting the time travel elements in the game are

For a game that is so visually and musically beautiful, Chrono Cross is a really mean-spirited game. It's disconcertingly cynical and one of the reasons why I think a lot of people find it so off-putting.

A lot of people think that people who don't like Cross but love Trigger are just mad because it's different. But with Cross as it compares to Trigger it's not just a difference in tone, it feels like it has completely different values. Trigger was primarily a game about seeing shit situations and then making it better. Cross goes out of it's way to tell you how fucked everything is. You save Razzly from being eaten and what's your reward? A fuckton of dwarves murder her entire species. ...and then blame YOU. ...and the game seems to SUPPORT THIS. "Yup, you fucking asshole humans! Look at the genocide you made the dwarves commit!" And then Razzly loses all relevance to the story so the game just leaves it at that. No further chance to address these issues. She shows up, the game makes you like her, her people get ass fucked, you get blamed, and then she just mindlessly exists in your party now with no way of further building that relationship or getting some satisfying resolution.

Absorbing Schala ascended Lavos from just an alien parasite that wanted food to a really, really angry space-time tick.

The absolute state of CT and Mother 3 fans
Jesus Christ

>in the game time is linear
That's exactly why it's a paradox, sweetie.
I understand it's too much for your lentil sized brain to process, but that's how it works, or rather, how it doesn't work.

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I never lied, you must be mistaking me for somebody else.

Baby's first false flag

imagine being so retarded that something as simple as a linear timeline confuses you

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it has a great soundtrack

Lucca seems to think he is but there's no indication if she's right or not.

There's literally nothing wrong with Mother 3

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>But with Cross as it compares to Trigger it's not just a difference in tone, it feels like it has completely different values.
That's mostly because Kato was butthurt he had to share writing the plot of Trigger with other people, which resulted into the disjointed mess it is.
Not like Cross ended up much better in terms of coherence, but at least it makes it clear that parallel timelines are effectively different dimensions altogether.

No, that's precisely why it is not a paradox. It's astonishing how the most simple concepts are impossible for feminized men to grasp. There really is a striking correlation between testosterone and intelligence.

what happened to schala?
oh right we dont know because the game is rushed so we get a magus ending that amounts to "lmao forgot" even though she was built up as this super important character.

comnvergence my ass.

Yeah, that's the big question. We don't know if Lavos is capable of that kind of indirect warfare or if it's just some giant insect operating on instinct.

Chrono Trigger still has one of the best intros ever.
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Well. not until it gets its planet eating ass kicked by red-haired Goku with a sword and absorbs Schala.

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The anime intro is so garbage compared to this.

The audience and the characters do not know what happens to her, which is why Magus goes looking for her in one of the endings you fucking idiot. It's called a mystery. Jesus christ you are legitimately stupid.

I just noticed that it's called the Frozen Flame because it's shaped like fire and doesn't move.

its not confusing, it just doesnt work lmao.

Don't forget the fact that the game seemed to almost spite everything you do in the original. While the original game hinted at people being banished to a time void if they're to no longer chronologically exist, Cross goes out of its way to try to kick you in the shin for it. Prometheus, aka Robo and a fan-favorite, shows up for a few sentences and then gets deleted by FATE to punch you in the teeth if you understand what's going on. The homeland of the main three protagonists from Trigger was destroyed, Lucca was presumably murdered off-screen by Lynx, and the chances are high that Crono and Marle were murdered by something or another too. Your main character's mere existence throws the timeline into disarray and basically everything the Trigger cast worked towards was rendered moot because of the Schala-Lavos fusion and Balthasar being a fucking retard.

Maybe the paradox guy is talking about how the party seeing the destroyed future is their motivation for defeating Lavos, but if they do defeat Lavos then there would be no destroyed future and they wouldn't be motivated to save it.

But they could potentially be sent in the right direction by the denizens of the not destroyed future in order to maintain the timeline.

>No, that's precisely why it is not a paradox.
So you're saying that it makes sense for events that already happened in the past to not exist in the present and the future?
Because that's what you're saying.
And for the record, shitposting about testosterone on the internet is one of the first signs of actually emasculated, passive aggressive "men", made even worse by the fact that you don't actually understand what linear time is and what cause and effect entail.

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Yeah sure it is

thats retcon territory though. it wasnt established at the time ct came out and the game doesnt portray it that way ever.

It clearly does work because it worked and the plot resolved. You're a special kind of fucking stupid.

What's disjointed about Trigger? It's an incredibly tight narrative.

Who murdered JFK? Who bombed the USS Liberty? Who bombed the Twin Towers? You're literally too stupid to understand anything.

>Being stupid enough to think you're fooling anyone
Kid, come on honestly. This is just sad.

This so much! Anything that paint those 2 games or their fans in a negative light is a false flag created by /pol/

Yes. In a linear timeline that's precisely how it works. The event did not happen until it happened, even though the past had already happened. It's called retrocausality and it's a very fucking simple concept you absolute brainlet.

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user, most sequels pull retcons unless a writer specifically makes sure to leave holes open for said sequel and never intended to finish their story in the debut product. You can't just selectively say "well it's a retcon so fuck it"

>Being this triggered because a toy you don't like got popular
Grow up.

well it's a retcon so fuck it

Bitch I dare you to contradict me again. I will fuck you till you love me faggot.

Listen, /pol/tard, leave this thread right now

this desu

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it works because its shitty writing and paradoxical, not because its logical.
in case you havent noticed ct is not a physics simulation.

We prefer to be anonymous here, don't post your twitter profile.

>It's an incredibly tight narrative.
Outside of the time traveling making no sense at all, Zeal being literally one room, Schala being a non entity despite her supposed importance and various other minor stuff, yeah, I guess it's pretty "tight".
>It's called retrocausality
Which doesn't logically exist due to time being linear.
Now, if time was nonlinear, sure, retrocausality works, but admittedly, time is linear in CT, which is why it doesn't make sense.

>want to play Chrono Trigger
>SNES version is supposed to be poorly translated and lack content
>3DS version is good but has no good emulators for Windows
>PC version is horrible mobile port
Is there a translation patch for the SNES version?

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No, it's very simple, not paradoxical in the slightest and you are so stupid that you are overcomplicating something incredibly straightforward to make yourself feel intelligent. You are not intelligent, I can't say it any more clearly.

Banning /pol/ would just unleash them on the rest of the site once again. /pol/ was created as a containment board.

cross is a glorified VN with meaningless combat and you have shit taste

Yes

It's exactly the opposite. The reason why the events caused by time travel did not happen in the past until time travel happened in the present is because time is linear. Were time not linear, Chrono and company would have been in the past the "first" time.

romhacking.net/translations/3072/

>PC version is horrible mobile port
I wish Square would stop doing this.
So many great games you're forced to emulate because of shitty ports of shittier mobile remakes.

>glorified VN
>meaningless combat

You have such shit taste that it makes me physically ill.

>jews
>jews
>jews
Nice try, Mossad.

Time travel never makes sense. I can think of maybe one movie where it makes sense, Primer, and that was a mindfuck. Chrono Trigger is like Back to the Future.

This post was also made by Arab terrorists.

It's true, feel free to start puking, go look in a mirror if you need help.

>muh Hollywood movie
Kill yourself, and admit that you're too stupid to understand anything.

he's right though

I dont diss cross for retconning it, im just looking at ct without considering cross because I absolutely do not believe that anything in cross was planned while people still worked on ct.

The SNES version is not poorly translated. It has maybe 4 sentences that were either mistranslated or awkwardly phrased. Other than that pretty much everything is conveyed as it's meant to be. The DS translation fixes the handful of mistakes but otherwise says the exact same thing just a bit wordier. It also makes Frog technically more accurate but a lot less fun.

chrono cross was a bad game who cares what they said in it, it's like the shitty new star wars movies who cares what's in them

Explain, brainlet.

"You got whacked cuz you're weak."

>"He's not wrong"
>uncoincidentally using the same prose, grammatical idiosyncrasies, and acronyms
be less obvious

>It's exactly the opposite
I give up, if you're too stupid to understand the concept of linear time you're not worth replying any more, good luck on that time travelling machine of yours eh? Don't drink too much Dr. Pepper while you're at it.
>Time travel never makes sense
Well, it you treat time travel as dimensional travel, where different timelines are separate quantum universes, it kind of makes sense, in a very vague, science fiction way, which is pretty much what Cross does to an extent since the whole plot is about converging parallel timelines merging into a single one.
Iirc, "The Time Machine" movie kind of tried to explain that idea, it was kind of a mindfuck too, but at least on the more believable side.
Of course, CT has linear time which is why it makes no sense, exactly like Back to the Future, but at least nobody takes that seriously, unlike Trigger fans.

You may have heard shit about the snes being bad but the translation is actually pretty good on it own.

>Frog's saga and story

Him slashing the mountain until the fight against Magus was way too good.

Thanks, I've already downloaded and patched it as we speak

Accurate translations are more important than having fun

It wasn't. Cross was written by Kato, sure, but things unfolded very differently from what was planned, and Cross is more tied to Radical Dreamers at heart than Trigger. In fact a lot of the weird stuff that occurred with Cross was probably because Kato was mad as fuck from various problems during Trigger's development, which is why Cross became so much more cynical.

lmao

By that logic all JRPGs are glorified VNs.

>I'm wrong so I'm going to claim you're wrong while I run away from the obvious truth.
Good riddance.

Chrono Cross is cool though. It's different than Trigger and fans of one won't necessarily like the other, but it's a good game. I love RPGs where you collect tons of characters.

People from Zeal are Chrono Trigger's version of Italians. How did you not know this?

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Only the ones with horrible mechanics like """chrono""" cross

The 'Italian' meme is something that jews want you to believe so that you don't understand that the American mob was jewish.

>Being that paranoid
He's not me, don't worry, there's more than three people in this reality, user.

It's only cool if you don't actually play the game. In practice all the characters are mechanically identical and they maybe have one or two unique dialogs, it sucks.

Not really mattering and not working as intended are two separate things

>/pol/tard discovers Meyer Lansky and the Jewish mob, thinks there was a conspiracy to hide it because he didn't know

>Accurate translations are more important than having fun
You translated Symphony of the Night for the PSP, didn't you.

I agree. Chrono Trigger's mechanics are all fun as hell even with the game being easy.

Nigger, the very existence of Meyer Lansky is proof that 'la costra nosta' never existed.

Explain.

The 'mob' that we Americans know of isn't actually Italian. It was very much Jewish, which is obvious with players like Meyer Lansky. You are literally too stupid to understand the underworld.

Right. And it makes it harder to care about any of them because of how interchangeable they all are and how little they contribute to the overall plot. And if by some chance you do start liking a character, you feel cheated because they have all of five minutes of screen time before devolving into another irrelevant Pokemon that's only there to use in battle and spout generic Party Member #3 dialog in the funny accent of choice. It's a lose/lose situation.

Italians and Jews working together doesn't mean the Italian mafia isn't a thing.

>In practice all the characters are mechanically identical
Not really, their elemental table is what matters most and most characters are very, very definite in that sense, you can't expect Radius to be the same as Glenn or Starky for instance.
There's also characters like Pip or Sprigg with their own unique mechanical gimmicks.
If you put a mechanic that doesn't matter then your game fundamentally isn't working.
It's the equivalent of adding a spring mechanism to a battery clock and pretending it's functional because you can toy around with it.

Except the jews controlled way more than the Italians. The meme that we should expect the Italians to be mobsters is retarded.

>You translated Symphony of the Night for the PSP, didn't you.
Wrong. I never created anything of worth.

A FUCKING FISHERMAN

>3DS version is good but has no good emulators for Windows
Setting aside the fact that Citra is a great 3DS emulator that runs most of the library very well, Chrono Trigger was remade for the DS which has perfect emulation, not the 3DS

You're literally too stupid to understand anything. Please leave.

this one retard has been shitting his diaper in this thread for hours now.

After playing a bunch of RPGs I've come to the belief that it's actually better for fun mechanics if the game is easy because you can actually feel comfortable experimenting and figuring out all the ways to break the game. RPGs that are "hard" usually amount to grind fests or finding some strategy that is effective but usually not all that fun or creative. I've used every dual and triple tech in Chrono Trigger. A lot of other RPGs that threaten me with game over have long lists of spells I've never touched.

Great pacing
Interesting backdrops
Fluid battle transitions
No random encounters
Amazing sound design
Fun characters
Choices matter even ones you didn't know were choices
Multiple endings
Lots of soul and heart (one example was leaving robo in the past to cultivate the earth and make a forest for the present then a comfy campfire with all the characters)
Gato

If you don't like Chrono Trigger, you have something wrong with you.

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There was no version of Chrono Trigger made for the 3DS, and DeSmuME provides flawless DS emulation on Windows. Don't attack others just because you made a retard mistake you dumb sperg.

You can easily beat the game with any of those characters. The differences between Radius and Glenn or Starky hardly matter in the end because only a few battles ever put much pressure on you. But it's still fun messing around with different characters, and the gimmicks like Pip or Sprigg are great.

>And it makes it harder to care about any of them because of how interchangeable they all are and how little they contribute to the overall plot.
Most of the cast in Trigger is the exact same though, Magus is even optional and that says a lot about his supposed importance to the plot, but I guess it's fine when Trigger does it.
>It's a lose/lose situation.
How is it a lose/lose situation when all those characters have their own stories AND they're playable?
Do you really need the world to revolve around people Orlha or Doc to validate their existence?
I feel it's much more believable to have a cast of people that aren't all destined heroes united by a mystical prophecy or some bone to pick with the big bad(Which isn't even true for Cross since everyone knows their very existence is at stake, so they all have an implicit reason to fight).

>turn speed battle to max
>Active mode
>suddenly game goes crazy mode

Boss battles were much fun this way

Please don't make me seem insane when you're a jew that pretends that your very existence is higher than the goyim. Also, put a fucking bullet in your brain, jew.

>doing damage control for a bad game
I don't give a flying fuck what you think.

Fuck off, jew.

Yeah, I agree with this. It's one reason Final Fantasy games are so fun to me. They give you a bunch of skills to play around with it.

I'm surprised I've never tried this despite playing CT repeatedly for years.

If you can't center the main screen then the emulator is shit

How does character interchangeability in battle party lessen their importance to the plot in any way?

>doesn't know how to move or resize an application window
are you genuinely retarded?

What makes Magus optional is that you can kill him. That's not an indictment of his importance. It's just a different way of bringing Frog and Magus's story arcs to a conclusion. The cast of Trigger has their personal arcs take place over the course of the whole game. In Cross many of the arcs are one and done waaaay before the game ends and some don't even have personal arcs and are just Pokemon to collect.

>all those sidequests where you can change people's future like saving Lucca's mom, or that rich dude
>or things like Cyrus ghost and Robo's waifu
>or Frog's shit with the princess
I also like how you can get Crono's room full of cats. Or introducing the new member of the team to Crono's mom

Because like knock knock jokes, it's simple enough to stick around, but entertaining enough it wont go away. There's only two things people rate highly and that's things that make people look smart or think it does and things for children that people still like anyways.

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>just pokemon to collect
True for a lot of characters, but I enjoy collecting Pokemon. I like how well hidden some of them are.

The problem is that there are 2 screens, which emulators put on a single window without the ability to freely move them

A lot of Cross's party members are interesting BEFORE they join you. That's actually what makes it so disappointing. The cost of getting a new party member is that they likely no longer play an active role in anything from there on. There are a handful of exceptions like Harle but it's a pretty common theme.

>You can easily beat the game with any of those characters.
Thank god for that, but I hope you're not going to pretend bringing Harle to a knife fight with Miguel is a good idea.
Elasticity isn't necessarily bad as long as it does the bare, logical minimum, some characters ARE better than others in some scenarios, the game could have been harder, but it was never the point for Cross, it's a narrative focused game and it's a good idea they let you play around with its large cast that way so you can pick who you like the most and work it out easily.
What would be the point of having a playable character that is completely unviable?
I'm not the one complaining about that.
>The cast of Trigger has their personal arcs take place over the course of the whole game
Patently false.
Robo literally does not exist until you get to the Mother Brain, Ayla stops existing after you get out of the stone age, Lucca...barely exist for most of the game either, the only characters who actually have a relatively stable presence in the plot are Marle and Frog.
>some don't even have personal arcs
Do you need an epic, dramatic tale for every single character in the game? Or are you incapable of enjoying simple characters for what they are?
You seem pretty content with generic non characters like Ayla, but somehow you have a bone to pick with people like Sneff because they don't have an anime arc with a sob story, despite being just as established as CT characters, and more original at that.

I have no idea why the CT battle system was abandoned by everyone. It's better than turn based and real time both for jrpgs.

Sneff was pretty based. Used him for like half the game.

Actually I want to test this. Here's the party members who are actually important to the plot in some way
>Serge
>Kid
>Harle
>Nikki
>Fargo
>Three Devas, Viper, Riddel
>Starky
>Sprig
>Norris
>Glenn
>Radius
>Korcha and his family
>Blacksmith Guy, Mermaid Girl, Sneff
>Groybyc
>Razzly

Being as generous as possible, that's 24 which is about half which is still less than Trigger.

>The cost of getting a new party member is that they likely no longer play an active role in anything from there on
How aren't they playing an active role when they're literal party members you can use?

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Oh Miguel and Guile too I guess.

You might like the Grandia series if you haven't tried it already.

I bought and played it. It comes across like a love letter towards Trigger, but fails to do anything remotely as well. It literally 'is a love letter to trigger'.
I didn't dislike it, but it wasn't worth 40$ by any stretch. It's a good time just for nostalgia-isms and trigger-esque things; but it'll leave you wanting a lot more that it could've been, and kind of just reinforces wanting to go replay the original.

Agreed, I don't mind the way they balanced the characters. Miguel is one of those fights I was referring to.

And Pierre but I like to pretend he doesn't exist after I got burned.

What about Leena? She's about as important as people like Korcha.

>which is still less than Trigger.
It seems you're having problems with basic math

Of these characters: ZOAH, Sprig, Mel, Iris, Sneff, Groybyc, Razzly, Miguel, Guile, and Pierre stop being relevant after their introductory arc.
You're right. She falls into the above category though even though she's really good combat wise.
Do you know what proportionality is you overly pedantic pseud?

Oh and Korcha's mammy also stops being relevant after her introduction.

no it added problems by limiting weapons to classes, having encounters not be seamless by adding a combat transition, and for that reason making charging weapons absolutely even more pointless. Fuck 3 there's a reason that trash didn't get localized

>Muh proportionality
And you're moving the goalpost too now.

>Brainlet can't pick up on context clues
Also there was never a goalpost you stupid argumentative child.

Ayla is arguably the only one that's true about since Azala dies pretty early. That said, she IS Marle's ancestor and so, like all the characters, she's relevant in the ending. Robo is a direct player in two sidequests that aren't even his. If you drew a line that represented the length of the game and plotted out the points at which the characters are part of the story the dots would be spread out across the span of the line. That's totally different than in Cross where if you did the same thing a very large number of your party members would have their dots bunched up together in some random place on the line.

Well, I guess that's what happens when you don't have an argument to begin with.
But I guess it's always fine when Trigger has non characters like Robo, Lucca or Ayla shoved down your throat for most of the game.

>simplistic and basic dialogue
I'm just glad it's not a novel every time I speak to an NPC, like in "real" JRPG's.

Yes but they're all relevant to the plot after their introduction which is more than Cross which was the point to begin with. Please try to pay attention next time, okay?

lol too obvious

How are they shoved down your throat if they're non-characters?

i think all turn based JRPGs are trash
give me 1 (one) reason to play this

Anyone ever notice that any post with the phrase "shoved down your throat" is always made by a complete brainlet? It's weird.

In my experience, lots of people who don't normally like JRPGs have fun with Chrono Trigger.

You can break it down further by how much they contribute. Starky exists just to be a deus ex machina and give you the ability to fly to Terra Tower. That's a lot different than Kid and Harle.

>That said, she IS Marle's ancestor and so, like all the characters, she's relevant in the ending.
What kind of argument is that?
So you're telling me Korcha is a super relevant character because he ferries Serge and Kid around at one point but Pierre isn't...because you don't feel he's too invested in the grand scheme of things despite also playing his part?
By virtue of having a small as fuck party.

>he doesn't know how important Ayla is to the plot

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I don't think just being in the party with nothing else to say or do or even participate in conversations makes them an "active role." Again, that's just being a pokemon.

>I don't think just being in the party with nothing else to say or do or even participate in conversations
But they do participate in conversations, in the same way the party members do in Trigger too.
Most of your cast in Trigger also does nothing for most of the game outside of being part of said conversations too and being party members, but that's somehow different to you.
>that's just being a pokemon.
Your pokemon don't have a unique background and story to them, but keep shitposting this hard if you like it so much.
At this point I can only thank Squenix for killing this IP given how autistic and dishonest the fanbase is, they did the right thing.

>lucca
>noncharacter
huh

What role does Korcha play in the ending? I'm saying that even if Ayla's relevance fades after Azala, she still has a role to play even at the very end of the game. A character like Korcha does not.

You should. It makes something like Magus boss spamming magic much faster and have less time to react

The truth is characters don't need a huge tragic backstory or complicated arc to be fun or interesting. Both games have entertaining characters with good designs. I don't care if most Cross characters don't have much of a story, I like having a dog and a skeleton clown in my party.

Sounds fun, I'll give it a shot next time I play.

>S-stop insulting Chrono Cross right now! *Shits self* I played it when I was 12 so it's good. Stop it stop it stop it! *Pisses pants*
Jesus, calm down.

There's nothing non-character about Robo Lucca and Ayla. Hell, of all the characters in Chrono Trigger's party, Crono is the one with the least story relevance. Not any of the ones you named.

This.

Eh... In Trigger, because they're fewer characters the dialogue is different enough to allow the characters the ability to express their personalities. Things like Ayla saying "fish become bird!" at the appearance of the Black Omen. This at least gives the veneer of being an active player. In Chrono Cross the dialogue is exactly the same. It's generic "Party Member #3" dialogue. The words are the same for everybody. The only difference is the automated accent that's applied.

>What role does Korcha play in the ending?
The same as Ayla?
The role of being that guy who ferried you around in time of need, got a crush on Kid and (if you kept him around) Got throughout the entire story with you, fought by your side and all, what else do you want? Him being the nephew of one of the dragons or something?
Your double standards are astounding.
>Crono is the one with the least story relevance.
Oh yeah, the guy who starts it all and is the main muscle for 90% of the game is surely the one with the least story relevance, just because he doesn't have any lines I guess?

This is just the most beautiful song.
youtube.com/watch?v=hELte7HgL2Y

Sarcasm isn't a personality user.

The guy is trying to argue that Lucca is a non-character and Korcha plays as much a role in Cross's ending as Ayla does in Trigger's. I'm starting to think he's from a parallel universe himself.

In Chrono Cross the dialogue is exactly the same. It's generic "Party Member #3" dialogue.
Exactly like in Trigger then.
>The only difference is the automated accent that's applied.
Nevermind the fact that you're using a shitty localization as proof for anything, it's not even true in the shitty localization's context.

>tfw even the basic forest dungeon theme is good.
youtube.com/watch?v=I4BdjVEJdlk

Yeah, I hope someday you realize that.

Cross was so bad it put me off video games for two years. Fuck that game and anyone that thinks it's good.

>N-no u
Sad.

sounds like donkey kong

Crono is literally just some random guy who fell ass backwards into one problem that quickly spiraled out of control.

The one who needs to cope with that is still you though, not I.

It is.
youtube.com/watch?v=2r1iesThvYg

>Crono is literally just some random guy who fell ass backwards into one problem that quickly spiraled out of control.
Same as the rest of the cast then.

>Can't even speak English correctly anymore
I've never anally ravaged someone this much. I can't believe my little quip was enough to break you.

>In Chrono Cross the dialogue is exactly the same. It's generic "Party Member #3" dialogue.
>Exactly like in Trigger then.
This is literally not true. If you're going to lie don't do it to people who've played both games many times. You're literally lying about how the dialogue is written.

Why do people rip this song off so much?
youtube.com/watch?v=F8U5nxhxYf0
youtube.com/watch?v=6fh5BenvsfA

You truly know someone's desperate when they start criticizing grammar instead of having actual arguments.

Technically Crono didn't start it all. Marle did.

Maybe you can "see it" because projecting is all the butthurt can manage.

You spelled despurate wrong retard.

>Cast your pearls before this swine
no thanks

Good music, good story, good art, good combat system.

There is nothing particularly bad about this game. Contrast with Chrono Cross, that has good art, good music but the story shits the bed hard so it's a more divisive game

Realize that there would be immense pressure on Square to release Chrono Trigger as a big production game, not a sprite based game, to attract those who didn't grow up playing this game. If they were to make such a title with a legacy, people would expect them to have an immense budget. So don't call it incompetency, that's not being fair to Square.

HIRE

you left out inseminating the planet by becoming a hero

I spent SOOOOOOOO much time watching this over and over. It blew my 9 year old mind at the time to hear music as intricate as this on the SNES (it was in 2001ish I played it).

Ahh, the memories...

It's an RPG that's focused on linearity.
The devs made sure to make that linear story is as fun as possible, so everyone who played it loved it.
However, it also means that everyone had pretty much the same experience.

I want to go all primordial...

youtube.com/watch?v=3JP4XxcyCAA

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Best girl, there's no doubt about it.

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I like when she embarasses Marle by telling her her tits are small.

I like when it looks like she's checking out and groping Crono's body.

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because you can start a happy family with a cavewoman

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I think she's doing exactly that. Lucca suggests it in the SNES version. She's more clear in the DS.

this gif is actually offensive to me

unf

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>Or even it could have been 12,000 B.C., when an ancient magical kingdom met its end after trying to use Lavos...?"
>"Each is close to being correct... And yet, at the same time, so far from the right answer! The true beginning was during the destruction of the ancient Kingdom of Zeal!"
I'm still confused as to what she meant by this. What the fuck is the difference between these two? Is it just a bad translation?

how could anyone see this or be groped/sized up by this and BE TOLD by this that you're an alpha male meant to breed with her and not completely disregard the little girls that have been traveling with you as mates

It's the Dragon Ball connection that originally hyped it up. Without that it's a great but not special JRPG on a system with a shit-ton of them.

It could be either a mistranslation or deliberate obfuscation since they'd sound exactly the same in the end.

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Because, like... love, and stuff... right?

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Dragon Quest also has Toriyama's designs though.

I'd love a girl who beats the shit out of another girl for my hand, personally

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I think Crono is a much more fun character if his muteness is interpreted as actual retardation. I imagine Crono as being about as intelligent as a golden retriever.

The last part of your post is copypasta material

>Plague will never draw an actual lewd of her
It's not fair.

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Cross is one Square producer's butthurt "fuck you" to management for making him crunch so hard during Chrono Trigger development. It's entirely a work of spite and ego, and should be ignored by history.

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Dragon Ball wasn't a thing in America in 1995. There had been an early Dragon Ball dub of the first few episodes but it's pretty obscure. And DBZ was still about a year away from airing.

you need love to start a family, yes

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>Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger. Had it been, it would have been called Chrono Trigger 2.

Glad to know all those Final Fantasies are direct sequels, Kato.

>works of spite can't be incredible because of their malicious intent

user, pls.

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there's a ps1 version too, i don't know how it stacks up

But Chrono Cross sucked ass, so...

ehh, I'm fine with sfw art if it's good/cutee

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It's the SNES version with FMVs jammed in sideways and a full eleven seconds of load time to get in and out of the menu.

The DS has all of the PS1's bonus features, plus a few extra, and a new translation.

This reminds me an awful lot of my cousin in Iran. About 10 years ago she and I had a very unexpected and powerfully intoxicating intimate relationship with one another that resulted in her being miserably depressed when I came back to the US.

Haven't seen her since.

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I'd just like at least one during my lifetime. It's all I ask, I know he prefers teasing people but I eventually want to reach that carrot.

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>mudslime
>fucking his cousin
absolute shocker

that's sad to hear, i hope you're both doing okay

And Chrono Trigger didn't REALLY get big until the late 90s.

>t.

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only if it's her and her husband, crono

otherwise, i sleep

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It didn't and you know it.

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It sold something like 300,000 copies in America. That's actually really good by SNES standards.

Oh, it did. Yes it did.

This game has been on my backlog for about 15 years

No, it didn't.

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Also it is part of the core ZSNES generation gamelist.

>be kid in the late early 2000s
>don't have so much access to vidya
>like anime and manga, especially DBZ
>learn Toriyama did illustrations for this RPG game
>download ROM and emulation with school computer or at friends house
>get that shit running on your crappy Pentium I PC with no dedicated GPU, it's not that complicated compared to warez or DOS gaming
>wooo free game!

It didn't though

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That's good, but it's nothing that would create the phenomenon the game is considered now. Secret of Mana sold similar numbers but is nowhere near as famous.

>retarded niggers claiming that a fucking terrible sequel was good after the fact just to be contrarian
You're absolutely transparent and fucking retarded. Majora's Mask and Chrono Cross sucked asshole and there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it

>Majora's Mask
Whoa there cowboy let's not say things we can't take back

Going all out, I see.

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what other games are on that list?

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Accurate

Super Metroid
Gundam: Endless Waltz
Final Fantasy V

cope you retarded weasels

What do you have against Majora's Mask?

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besides the fact that it's utter dogshit?

>t.

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If it's hot, it's hot.

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I think we've gone past the point of no return. I feel so sorry for you user. May God forgive you.

It had a fantastic premise.
The way it started, the music, the charming artstyle, the battle system - no random battles, no battle area transition, character combos, it was all so great, I was instantly hooked.
Even though I played it first sometimes around 2007 on an emulator.

This is why I don't believe that you had to have played old games when they were released to fully appreciate them, otherwise I wouldn't have appreciated this masterpiece. And that's why I'm justified in my belief that OoT is actually massively overrated.

I love this picture. The full one I mean.

This.

I played Brave Fencer Musashi about 4 years ago and loved every second of it. Being able to play an old game for the first time and still enjoy it relentlessly is proof that nostalgia isn't the only thing retro games have going for them.

Good news!

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Let's be fair, trigger's writing isn't exactly a shakespearean masterpiece either with time traveling plot holes.
We know that in this game past events directly affect the future, so this isn't some dbz stuff where time traveling takes you to an alternate timeline that doesn't affect your own.
Because we know this chrono and the gang should have never ended up in garda's past or affect it since that stuff was resolved without their intervention in the first place - but whoops! now they do because marle is her ancestors identical twin apparently and none of the guards thought twice twice about the fact that their captured princess magically plopped right back into their lap who also happens to have a totally different personality.

The artist is exceptionally good at lewds. I wish they'd draw more CT. His latest Dragon Quest ones are amazing, at least.

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The difference is thatNever happens in Chrono Trigger.

thats the worst song in the game by far.

Been a while since I've seen that image. Still great.

baby's first in a time where no good games (e. g. DQ3 sfc, SMTII) were available

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Just about everything in this list is wrong aside from the Weeaboo shit tier.

fuck of tranny

ironically CT is the game with a tranny.

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A FUCKING MOBILE PORT

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I still have no idea what these assholes were thinking. Didn't they try patching it or something?

They killed the fan remake for that shit.

Why would anyone find Ayla attractive? She probably never washes, is very rough and probably has loud aggressive stinky sex.

If they had to make a sequel that has 2 in it would they call it Chrono Trigger 2 or Chrono Cross 2

>probably never washes
Can you imagine the amount hormones in the air around her crotch and pits?

She is a long haired blonde, has huge tiddies, and anime girls don't stink and their poo smells like raspberries, everybody knows this.
Why wouldn't you find her attractive?

I can't unf fast enough.

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You say that like that’s a bad thing

based and redpilled

They patched it on PC enough to be playable, arguably better than the PSX port, but it's still no SNES or DS.

what a great description. Anyone who thinks Chrono Trigger is shit probably either has shit taste in games or is a contrarian and you shouldn't bother worrying about what they like or dislike.