Smash Ultimate 3.0.0 patch notes speculation thread

>half a day
isn't it out on the 19th? it's the 17th user

What time is it coming out? You're not seriously telling me it isn't dropping until 9pm EST?

She never had an ass to begin with. I need Ridley buffs though whether they are small or big

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Simon’s cross has apparently been changed. In the new video at the Mario 3 stage builder part he throws his cross at PPlant and it comes back upon impact instead of traveling through the character.

his recovery needs to control better. It's hard discerning what direction you're going to go unless you're holding straight up

Swords are no longer disjoints and can be damaged
There I saved Smash

based (and puffpilled)

Hasn't it always done that?

sir or ma'am it comes out in about 10 hours from now

>You're not seriously telling me it isn't dropping until 9pm EST?

smash.oatmealdome.me/popup_news/2016/en-US/

It's the same time that piranha plant dropped as well. Expect all major patches to drop at this time.

>About half a day left before it drops
But it's the 17th already, shouldn't it be here by now?

Will they ever add the cut assist trophies back in an update?

he's bullshit

No. It currently hits people and travels through them before coming back. In 3.0 it hits then immediately comes back from the look of things.

If my girl has to be nerfed let it be the short hop multiplier being applied to her float attacks. Nothing else please.

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His recovery only goes in 4 set directions
>straight up
>Forward and slightly down
>Backward and slightly up
>Down and slightly forward

For the love of god give Little Mac back his Side B is he gets hit in the air. He’s the only character I can think of that can’t reuse it, and it rarely beats other attacks while recovering. Easily the worst part about Mac

I understand. I just seem to get a lot of errors. Not a ridley main btw

I hope this is legit. anything to mitigate that fortress of projectile spam online.

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>short hop multiplier
Excuse me?

>Plant buffs
>big Jr. and Ridley buffs
>Wario isn't touched
>Wolf's d-smash is nerfed, I play him but that doesn't mean he isn't a little busted
>fuck Pichu
>fuck swords

Short hop attacks do less damage than full hop attacks

Jigglypuff: 10% aerial movement speed increase
Wolf: 10 second endlag attached to all skill.

Shot hop attacks have a multiplier that make them deal less damage in ultimate. Floating bypasses this mechanic so peach always does full damage aerials most of the time compared to everyone else.

>giving Puff even more air speed

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Slightly better hitboxes for Ken. I understand he is commit: the character, but it gets ridiculous at times especially against any character with disjointed hitboxes like swordies and the MOTHER kids.
I'd like a buff on his hadouken so that they more effectively act as projectile counters. Playing against good zoners AND spamshits alike is always hell because they pretty much invalidate Ken's approach options and you have virtually no Hadouken setups because it's a shit projectile all-around that is only ever good for cancelling overeager players's approach.

Give a better hitbox on the Belmont's upsmash and upair. They are far too linear to be really useful and they miss anything that is not directly in front of it. I'm not asking for much else than a slight possibility to hit with the edges. Nothing more than some noodle hit at best, but at least something that hits.
Also a but of height on the up B and an option to angle it would be great.

My main Ganon could use some buffs for sure, but I'm not sure what exactly. i'm entirely satisfied with what they did with the character, but a bit of speed buff would be cool.
Otherwise it would be great to up B out of side B even if we're never getting that.

I'm not asking to ruin it completely but let me be able to actually hit this tiny little bugger. It's so gosh darn tiny

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Luigi Tornado needs to be mashable like in the previous games

G&W F-air explode on impact or at least have a "1 hit" priority

I would love this but people would complain about the Tornado gimps again.

People are saying it'll drop at like 5:50 or 7:30 pm PST because there's server maintenance or something. Because I'm a Brit it happens past midnight for me.

Gonna be staying up till at most 3:30 am until I can shoot Ness with a gun.

>dorf buffs

I can't believe I'm saying this but he does not need any buffs. He's....finally good and not a complete joke since melee

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what time will the update hit?

trying to update my switch before heading to work

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I want Falco buffs. I honestly don't think he needs them (as far as my skill cap is concerned), but I want them.

Her turnips shouldn't hit like a smash attack that leads to follow ups.

apparently 9PM EST

Post Pipedream patches

>Belmonts can arc their holy water in 3 directions
>>(holding backwards tosses it downwards)
>>(not holding any side throws it in the aerial arc)
>>(holding foward tosses it in the grounded arc)

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>buffing Dorf
>buffing his recovery

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Tonight around 10pm

They've done that since melee. And only two of the faces hit like smash attacks

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Make Pacman kill below 160%

>Pac-Man now can kill at 70% with his up tilt

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ganon should have a better recovery. both him and captain falcon shouldn't go into freefall after side b

And Kirby, Meta Knight and DDD should have infinite jumps but you ain’t seeing nobody making a fuzz about it

Key already kills early and he's high-tier, he doesn't need buffs.

key cant kill for shit

He has a better recovery than characters like Charizard and Ridley, he doesn't need it.

must be nice being snake

Can I get a palutena Nair nerf? We've seen from past examples that nerfing nairs improves things

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Only if Ike's goes too.

If there are nerfs, it should be to Zelda’s neutral B. It starts up almost instantly, making punishing her very difficult. Also, Palutena’s uair is broke shit.

I know ike has already fallen out of the meta, but fuck ike and give his nair more landing lag. increase his run speed by a little bit to compensate.

Don’t agree. as a Ridley main, I have a much better time recovering than I do with Ganondorf, thanks to his two extra jumps and the distance his up B goes. Plus, I can bait a mid-air grab and drag someone to the bottom of the stage and still recover. Ganondorf can’t do that.

Don’t know why everyone’s making shit up. Based on piranha plant, should be out by 5:30pm

Maybe the fucking nintendo website telling us when maintenance starts you retard?
nintendo.com/consumer/network/en_na/network_status.jsp

Palu nair shouldn't be able to kill

Wants:Kirby buffs, little Mac buffs cause he's literally the worst character in the game, and remove fucking disjoint retardation with the fucking swordshitters, God damn.

Expectations: buffs too absolutely dumb shit, some random middle of the road characters getting absolutely dumpstered. As well as all the heavies continuing too get nerfef.

I'm only using his Uniform alt

I feel like Ryu and Ken should get their Smash 4 killpower back. I feel like a character with that much commitment should have tons of power.

Your expectations are bizarre when none of that happened in the 2.0 patch. And before you say krool those were literal slaps on the wrist and a bury buff in the end

Fucking this

Slow Bowser down. Why is he so fast now???

They really should get some more killpower

He's right though, Duck Hunt got his shit slapped, Snake got an Uptilt buff and characters like the Marths got off scott free. Even a "slap on the wrist" is still a nerf.

please dont nerf ike, he’s already droppin to lower-high tier and he really doesn’t need any nerfs despite nair being stupid.
Buff the fuck outta Ken
Its less about killpower and more about consistency

Dorf is only good online where if you throw out enough fsmashes the lag ensures you'll get one

>wanting to slow down bowser

Feel free to go back to smash 4 bowser if you want.

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How the fuck do I do the "floating really close to the ground" trick?

It's a very advanced tech that only few can master but i'll try to explain as best as i can.

Hold down
Then jump and hold the jump button

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>Wanting to kill characters
Autism.

I hope Rosalina gets a pretty subtle buff. She doesn't need much, but she received so many range nerfs from 4 that it's ridiculous. She was top tier until dlc so keep something nerfed, just restore some of the hitboxes that just look wrong now like her forward tilt. They restored the range on her down tilt last patch and now it's her only tilt worth using.

>walk into Peach's Castle
>see this
Wat do?

thank you

Thanks, now I'm Elite with Peach!

This, you’ll probably see a ganon nerf before a buff.

walk away

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bowser is fast and really strong but has bad frame data
incineroar is pretty strong and has decent frame data but is the slowest character in the game

>nerfing Shulk after he was saved from irrelevancy in the transition from Sm4sh to Ultimate
NO FUCK YOU MY BOY SHULK IS FINE LEAVE HIM ALONE

Yep. You're now a peach/daisy master. Go forth and bring home the glory.

I need to save some replays.

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My Bowser Jr. has been hovering just under elite for weeks now, I'm so sure he will get buffed so that's what I'm the most excited for. Everyone else I play ranges from a comfortable mid tier to top tier so they will probably remain unchanged.

Oh yeah! Fix fucking Pokemon Trainer god damn it. Make Squirtle and Charizard good like Ivysaur is. I mainly wanted to use the character for Squirtle, but that's fucking terrible. I can't even imagine how Charizard mains feel.

Someome save his great great etc grandfather from being an inferior version of his daughter.

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Nerf ivysaurs up air, down air, and up b first.

Kinda an issue innit? If one of the Marth clones are better than the others then the other 3 are redundant. Same with echoes in general.

Fuck no Chrom and every other Marth clone is cancer.

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Guys I NEED that Beneath the Mask Remix RIGHT NOW

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>nerfing a mid tier character
How about you get good instead?

I'd take nerfs to those if it means buffing Ivysaur's frame data so that he isn't completely useless as soon as he's pushed on the defensive.

That new Aria of the Soul remix we're getting has me intrigued.
I don't believe any of the dlc characters in smash 4 got remixed music, so this is a pretty pleasant surprise

Marth, the original is literally the only one no one is using. Even freaking roy gets more representation. ROY!
i love how double edge dance is literally limit cross slash now/spoiler]

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up and down air's hitboxes are way too big. they need to be down sized some

This, getting spiked through the stage is retarded.

I rather fight marth and friends than either of the belmonts any day. God they're unfun to fight against and no i'm not asking for them to be nerfed.

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Please just fucking buff Bowser Jr. It's really depressing.

They're pretty much the only good part of its kit, it's fine. Complaining about Ivysaur's reach is like complaining about Ganon's killpower.

I'll never complain about ganondorf, He deserves everything he got.

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as a Roy main I kinda hope he gets nerfed
tired of playing a character so many people hate
Lucina is a much bigger problem you fuckheads

FIX

OLIMAR

Who hates roy? I don't see many complaints about him. It's about time his sword sweetspot hitboxes weren't so extreme.

Does olimar really need his smashes to charge again? he really doesn't need it back.

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Maybe more range to his grab, and turn his Down Air into a meteor and I'd be ok.

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>wanting your main to get nerfed because of asshurt people

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bayo got I think 2 remixes among other songs
ryu got remixes of both ryu theme and ken theme
even corrin got a remix of that faggy song

Just give him Ike's custom recovery from 5 that goes diagonally.

Vet DLC already had tracks in game, and Ryu, Bayo, and Corrin got at least one Remix. Only Cloud didn't get anything new.

Palutena will be buffed now that Joker has her counter/reflect gimmick

Who gives a shit about an npc who shows up in the background of a single stage?

cough cough WHEEZE
...user...could you spare me a buff?

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Mah man over here

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That's locked behind a special mode

Cloud is fine as he is now
he's a solid high tier (not top, just high, which is fine)
source: am cloud main

Y'know, I just want a K. Rool and Ridley buff

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Everyone is wary of the new counter/reflect stuff Joker has but I think it really depends on how fast he gets his Stand.

For the love of god, either give me an aerial that's safe on shield or let belly counter completely protect him like Palutena. At the very least, I'd settle for getting rid of the crown grab animation because getting hit while that happens has killed me more times than I can count.

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Nintenderds are still seething they can't play goty

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>cloud is now a proper character and not the broken mess he was in 4
>people constantly want buffs for him

Are you people serious or what? Even with his rightful nerfs he's still far better off than many other characters.

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Leave Fox alone, maybe tone down Wolf’s blaster.
Make Peach less safe. She gets away with so much degen shit because she’s uncharacteristicly fast and lagless in Ultimate.
Similar treatment to Pichu but he’s less of a problem so less of a nerf nerf.
Nerf the living fuck out of Olimar. Seriously gut him into the fucking floor. He’s always been lame as fuck and he’s objectively broken in Ultimate.
Maybe a small hit to specically Lucina’s damage and knockback to bring her in better line with Marth.

Why shouldn't he have a basic mechanic everyone else has?

I hope the Belmonts don't get nerfed because of wifi shitters who don't know how to handle zoning. Ike could use a revamp, not a nerf, to make him less nair reliant.
Ryu/Ken need buffs badly, and Lucina could use a nerf to stop her from being objectively better Marty. Aside from that, buffs of varying size to the underused characters and a focus on positive balancing in general.

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Learn to crown slide

>I'd settle for getting rid of the crown grab animation because getting hit while that happens has killed me more times than I can count
Stop being predictable and in punishment range

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>bair instantly break shields on sweetspot

They aren't even top 5 aside from lucina MAYBE. Get a grip and train up autist.

>tfw the Shitch couldn't handle that many freakers on screen at once
Sony's done it once again

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No

Counterpoint: Ness

Better Nerf greninja

Simon already got nerfed in 3.0

Wait no. They actually fixed that. nevermind

>they're not top 5, they're just universally high tier and the easiest characters to play! What's the problem? Don't like running into the same characters 70 times over on quickplay? LOL
I still find it hilarious K. Rool actually did get nerfed.
I've noticed people who mained a top tier in the previous game, only for said character to be slightly less than top tier in the next game can't fucking stand it. Case in point, shitters begged for Marth to get buffed in Smash 4, and now in Ultimate they still want Marth to get buffed even though he's already really good.
Swordiefags are just cancer.

Ness has an oddball recovery as design. Olimar can't charge his smashes because of a glitch. It's not intended.

They need to patch an ethernet port into every switch so retards stop playing on wifi.
That's why this game can never be taken seriously online.

He needs at least 20 frames taken off up air's endlag (because there is literally no reason for this).

Also fix up smash's intern jank and maybe reduce endlag of blunderbuss as well.

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Make Charizard and Squirtle as good as Ivysaur, so far both of them are barely usable. No need to nerf Ivy either, she's fine as is.

Sure, it'll likely push PT into high-tier/maybe even top tier, but's not like the character is OP at the moment or anything.

>sony all starts
couldn't even get crash, spyro, lara, cloud, snake, real dante etc

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an increase to most hitboxes in the game except shit like wolf dsmash please, they're way too small in this game.

>82
Damn

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He needs better frame data in general. And literally none of his aerials are good besides Bair and Upair at low percent. His grab range is good enough. The fact that it ts as slow as fucking pac mans is the problem.

Hi leffen

where are you getting frame data?

Leffen pls
Ivy is not fine, by itself Ivy puts PT in high tier. If you want good squirtle and good zard you have to accept some Ivy nerfs. Otherwise you have a character that’s good in every MU and every situation, which is stupid.

Yo just give me a slight recovery and mobility buff and I will ask nothing from this character for the rest of Ultimates life

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So what, you wanna nerf any character now? Fuck outta here retard.

kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate

He doesn't have everyone done though, there is also this spreadsheet

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5VLxefRUv8UrMEdog3GuyfyB5uA3uvHBKmKJOUVZus/edit#gid=123650910

Just the marth clones retard.

I was the original guy who said I wanted Squirtle and Charizard buffed and I don't really think Ivysaur needs nerfs either. Maybe make his dair hitbox slightly smaller but everything else is fine. I don't want the character to be bad, I just want all three pokemon to somewhat approach being viable to solo-main. And yes, I know that no matter how good they all are, it would still be more viable to play all three of them. But right now, Ivysaur by himself IS good enough to be a standalone character, that's fine by me. Give the other two the same treatment, if they are made to try to be as good as Ivysaur is now, then there would still be multiple characters in the game that are clearly still better than Pokemon Trainer. You can't use all three at once anyways, so I am not afraid of making them all good.

And I've only played Squirtle, I have no bias for Ivysaur at all, this is my perspective just from having played against/watching Ivysaur play.

Can we hope for any love for this guy ?
Only Magister is brave enough to main him.

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Doc is never getting love because from a design standpoint he’ll always be an inferior Mario. Hitting harder is a poor tradeoff for being slower and recovering like shit, that’s the worst thing you can do to a brawler. Unless you want to start giving Doc armor or extra range he can never be good because that would mean regular Mario is broken tier.

It probably won't get that much play. It's GG Raven's old excitement meter and barely anyone used it before being overhauled in updates.

So you want to nerf characters simply because you don't like them and they're popular.
Grow up autist.

Dr. Mario is not an echo, you can adjust him and leave regular MArio alone.

>The Fighters Pass apparently is going on sale today
FUCK. I JUST BOUGHT IT LAST NIGHT. What are the chances Nintendo will give me money back for the difference of the sale? I heard Amazon does that.

He got buffed already

I'm no longer part of the team for this project so I can talk about certain aspects of my previous job:

I am a popular leaker, but I am still contractually bound not to let on to who (ten year NDA lmao) I was. They'll likely reuse the name in the future, but pay attention to the fact that their writing style will likely be different than mine.

Basically, Nintendo and other huge publishers hire "leak" teams to spread misinformation, and maybe sometimes put the truth in there just to make things seem convincing when the real release comes around. Smash is no exception to this. You think companies aren't aware that people datamine and that leaks build massive hype? The development teams are specifically instructed to put bullshit data in the code just to keep dataminers guessing - watch, to prove my point, the first datamine of 3.0 will no longer have reference to home run contest, the "Jane" hair thing, or Brave. Screencap it so you can blow this board sky high.

This industry of paid leakers is big and hires under "social media" positions. For some comapnies, the same person running their twitter is the the guy posting bullshit leaks on the chans and reddit. It's a comfy job but doesn't last long - they cycle us out after every release.

Just wanted to drop this info here since I'm not bound to avoid discussion of the job anymore. Please stop believing every leak you read, and don't even trust datamines.

Or maybe because they're overtuned and extremely safe without any actual weakpoint. Name one actual flaw Lucina has. She and swordies as a whole aren't balanced in Ultimate.

That can't be true. I think you're being rused

Most of the buff he got were useless except for the Up-Smash part, and this move is still terrible.

nerf switches

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Buff bayoneta
They didn't need to make her completely useless to fix her.
Also I wouldn't mind a buff to bowsers down slam attacks.

Nerf Wolf to the ground so I'm the only one left playing my husband

twitter.com/SSBUBot/status/1118500972052062210?s=19

The Bot reads the Metadata Nintendo uploads into the game.

Cloud's perfect though.
A good fighter who can handle everyone.

Why can everything be shield grabbed despite any amount of spacing?

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there is no fucking way that is happening. why would nintendo throw money away like that

sure as fuck hope you are right would love to same some schmekels

>better recovery is useless

If they aren't top tier there's no reason to nerf them. The only top tier out of the marth clones is lucina. Train up, chump.

that reads more like joker is available for purchase than an sale

On sale doesnt mean a discount dummy, its just an updated ad for the pass

Roy and Chrom are at the top of high tier and Marth is also high tier, the only actual bad swordies in this game are Robin and Corrin, every other swordie from Ike to Link to Shulk is high tier or above, they're literally unbalanced.

Ganon is fine. He has a weak recovery but it's balanced by the fact going out to try to gimp him can just as easily get you killed by his down air/side b/up b.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE UPDATE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Being high tier is unbalanced
ok who else should we nerf then? Fox? Mario? Link? Megaman? Let's nuke anyone who isn't mid or bottom tier.

Hopefully a small Bowser Jr. buff?
Whatever, the real question is if I can FINALLY use again Plant, Duck Hunt and Swordfighter in Multi-Man, haven't touched that mode with them since then

They don't have to be top tier to be annoying to fight against.

The way they worded it sounds like it would be discounted. A better way to word it IMO would be "available to purchase".

If not, thanks for clearing up the confusion.

burn her turnips

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Later tonight.

In 9hrs

I hope nothing happens to Greninja.
Some Wolf nerfing would be sick.

Thanks to murrica EU/JP will get it on the 18th
Something like 3AM for EU.

Not coming out until 8:50 PM EST

there's nothing stopping you from using them in multiman unless you bought a knockoff micro sd card

If Echoes were more different that wouldn't be a problem. Think Melee Falcon/Ganon or Melee Link/Young Link. Same characters, but different weights and strengths for the moves.

Mario, Fox, Mega Man, ect all have actual downsides, you still haven't told me a single flaw Lucina actually has.

I love that he's back but tone him the heck down some. Down smash, back air and blaster at the absolute least

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>being "annoying" to fight is grounds for nerfing
With every post it sounds like you're just getting trashed by characters and want them nerfed into the ground due to your own ineptitude.
Lucina is top 5 material retard. She's the only one who could use a nerf.

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That cross change sounds like a buff

>speculation
>Mewtwo: Confusion hitbox nerf
>Shulk: Take less extra damage when using Monado arts
>Ice Climbers: Adjusted launch angle of side B
>Piranha Plant: 1 less frame of endlag on his neutral air
>Palutena: Back air and dash attack's invulnerability effect is active on frame 1 and lasts twice as long
>Snake: Introducing the game's first 0 frame move: Snake will drop grenades at regular intervals without the player's input

I speculate that even though everybody loved having actual patch notes for 2.0 they are going to not bother in 3.0

I main shulk and I think that buff would be too extreme. Specially during speed or buster

I speculate that you're retarded because that makes zero sense.

Yea Forums only complains about swords and projectiles because all they do is charge smash attacks on quickplay
Only things that should be nerfed
>Wolf tipper downsmash
>Peach bypassing sh multiplier with float
>knockback on Roy's Double Edge Dance
>Olimar upsmash/ whistle armor
>Lucina up b invincibility/ up b ledge sharking
>Pika/Pichu loops
Maybe give a few other moves a slap on the wrist in terms of damage/knockback but let good options stay good

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>being "annoying" to fight is grounds for nerfing
Nobody mentioned nerfing.

It's a joke post (useless changes to ic's and plant, grenade being frame 0, palu shield moves getting buffed)

Whistle armor is fine

Forgot to add Inkling ink consumption + ink charge
I dont have many problems with it but it seems extreme in some MUs, the best nerf they could give him is making pikmin easier to knock off for most characters but that seems like extra effort

They need a Shulk-like system that lets you choose which one you switch to rather than be locked to the set order, but with a significantly longer cooldown before you can switch an additional time.
That way it's faster to get to the one you want but it's not spammable and can't be used like that offstage.

It ended as one. I was serious about unfucking Shulk's Monado arts; they invariably fuck you up more than your opponent even if you are a tournament goer. Occasionally you'll see great plays but in general the arts make Shulk inaccessible and even with said buffs will not be top tier.

Where we dropping once the patch drops, bois?

Moray Towers.

I still can't buy Joker individually can I? Checked a few days ago and only had Pirahna Plant and the Fighters Pass

heeeheheheheheheh
aaahahahahah
wouldn't you like to heheheheheh KNOW.

You'll be able to in around 8 or 9 hours

Why are the Japanese so fucking retarded? I don’t want to wait all day I have to get up in the morning.

I just checked it and the british version of the notice literally DOES say "available for purchase". The americans just went full retard.

You're safe user, so don't worry about it.

smash.oatmealdome.me/popup_news/2018/en-GB

Boohoo little timmy has to wait a couple hours to play his little game
Get a fucking grip and go outside.

Who's ready for little mac to not be bottom tier anymore?

knowing sakurai im fucking expecting more nerfs for him if i gotta be honest

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>doesn't get side b back when he gets hit

The developers intended for him to be bad because that's the only reason for it

Ike's definitely balanced and solid. He's probably the only swordie that shouldn't be touched, his recovery isn't great and all his aerials are single hit. Ever since I've spammed parries vs him I haven't lost.

when is the update in EST?

he's able to act way too fast out of his neutral air. practically no endlag/recovery/whatever you wanna call it

9

9pm

Tone down his nair and you're right, I played him for a little while and I don't get why people act like he's not a character when you get rid of his nair, his other aerials are extremely fast, especially for their power and range.

He's not even top 10

>he's not outright broken so he's totally balanced
Nah.

Woomy

Yes let's arbitrarily make this non top tier character worse because he hurts your feelings.

>literally missing half the moveset and options of a standard character
>dogshit recovery
I don't get it. Aren't boxers known for being able to defy all odds by making it back up from fatal blows and persevering?

A character extremely reliant on a single move is shitty character design. Nair is Ike's entire neutral and combo game, that makes him boring to play and boring to fight, he should be reworked so he has an actual moveset instead of being a nair dispenser.

kek, btfo.
nerf culture has ruined video games

He's going to get nerfed again, isn't he?

Let's try to guess how will Sakurai el fuck our boy even further.

>Side Tilt no longer kills

The very idea of Mac's kit is irredeemable garbage and they should just redo him to make him less of a 1 trick gimmick and more of an actual character

The patch notes don't come out until the update drops, huh? Please give Ridley some love. Concerned he'll get nothing or a nerf.

>mfw multiple nerfs

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uh huh sure. The character isn't that good so just beat him and move on. He should be nerfed because its """"boring""" i.e. I get shit on by it but won't try to learn the matchup so he must be nerfed.

Ah shut the fuck up retard. Have you ever considered finding a measure of counter play instead of wasting your time posting this bullshit in a place where nobody relevant to the development of the game would hear you anyway?

Stop.
Nair and dtilt specifically get hard nerfed

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Buff: C.Falcon, Kirb, K.Rool, Plant, Mac, Ridley, Jr., Pac, Puff, Diddy, Bayo, Sheik, Samus.

Needs to get hit by a truck: Palutena, Wolf, and (I know these are not busted, but fuck this franchise) every Fire Emblem faggot.

Slight nerfs but can also be compensated with minor buffs: Pichu, Peach, Snake, Wario, Shulk

The "matchup" is just learning to deal with his nairs, then Ike is done, this makes him one dimensional as fuck, it's wild to me that you're trying to argue he shouldn't need changes when as soon as everyone knows how to deal with his nair, he'll go right into trash tier. How is reworking the character so he's more well rounded instead of leaning on an overtuned move a bad thing?

When does the revolving door stop. Do you want more characters to end up like garbage like shiek and bayonetta? Wait, you just advocated for shiek to get buffed.
Yikes, knee jerk autists at their worst whenever smash balance is concerned. You beg for top tiers to be neutered and then beg for buffs when they are over nerfed, then go right back to begging for super nerfs.
Sad.

Thanks famalam, guess I'll play DMC 5 while I wait. Forgot I asked

I've never seen anyone list any consistent ideas for how Samus should be buffed.
Personally I think she's good, not great but good. The only somewhat glaring issue is her up smash not connecting with small bodies.
Also give her old nair back. Look at how much mileage Link gets out of his

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Yfw every ground move starts on Frame 1.

He just needs a bit of love to be great. Now you guys have me worried he'll be fucked over.

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No one's using Marth because Lucina is better in every way.
Chrom and Roy are more balanced and have near equal relevancy

Little Mac's up-b should increase height and distance by mashing buttons up to a max of Incineroar's up-b so it feel's like you're actually pushing yourself to recover. On the last stock, this distance will be increased to recover from anywhere offstage to simulate the TKO recovery mechanic. This won't make him top-tier by any means, but at least he'll be fixed.

Luncina being better is only part of the reason. You can't expect to land tippers when the majority of the roster doesn't have terrible speed and movement options anymore

Does Rock need any nerfs or buffs? Feel like he's in a good spot

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The balancing team wouldn't be retarded enough to nerf him.

they already fixed leaf shield canceling. He's good as is currently

the guy posted a strawman comic, that should be enough reasoning to ignore him

I'm curious, how many nerfs came in 2.0? I know they nerfed K. Rool but his nerf was more like a buff as people have said. Just made it so his bury wasn't bullshit at low percents and a death sentence at high percents. So you feel the balancing team is better this time around than they were in 4? I mean with Ridley for instance I don't even think he's bad, just needs some things here and there. Seems like at least as of now the gap from best to worst is much smaller than in past games.

The balancing is MUCH better than 4. Ridley getting nerfs was more of a joke because of what happened to D3 in 4.

He's right though. Ike as he is now is quickly dropping off in relevancy because his game plan is one dimensional and easily exploitable. He's not that fun to play anymore because the only effective strategy is Nair into aerials. They need to tone down nair and BUFF his other moves so he actually has more options.

Make Wii Fit Trainer's deep breathing slower but easier to time correctly.

Make K. Rool's super armor degenerate less on attacks where he doesn't specifically use it (ie all except his taunt and Down special).

Increase knockback OR increase speed of Samus's missiles.

Duck Hunt's Wild Gunman should be able to take a couple of hits before dying.

Make Isabelle able to more easily put away the fishing rod so she isn't stuck in place for ten fucking seconds dragging the bobber around if you press the wrong thing.

Incineroar should have some left/right movement when using Dark Lariat.

Give Kirby slightly more reach on his inhale.

2.0 hardly had any nerfs. Only like a few minor slaps on he wrists. Most of the roster got some positive changes. ssbwiki.com/List_of_updates_(SSBU)/2.0.0_changelog

my fucking face when they give ridley less airspeed
i will shit a brick, how the fuck does a space dragon with wings job to a fucking PLANT in recovery

bair and dmsash are slower compared to his Brawl form

>Increase knockback OR increase speed of Samus's missiles.
They'll never do this, and I don't know why. While Mii Gunner is objectively worse than Samus, why are her super missiles actually kill options while Samus's aren't? Wtf?

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Bair has almost no landing lag and hits like a smash attack even on its sour hits
Down smash sweet spot is way too strong and has too much range

That legit does piss me off. I feel like I get punished with him even if I block or sometimes even if I land a hit. Granted I'm not some amazing player so maybe it's just me being bad. I hope they give him decent weight, better frame data, faster air speed, maybe something to his recovery but air speed may help that out too for all I know.

>No update until 9pm EST
REEEE NINTENDO LET ME BE JOKER RIGHT FUCKING NOW YOU BITCHES

Characters that got actually nerfed in 2.0

>mewtwo (dash attack less safe on shield)
>chrom (chromicde kills chrom first)
>ike (ikicide kills ike first)
>dedede (gordo hitboxes reduced)
>olimar (a bug was introduced that made his smash attacks completely unaffected by charging them)
>mega man (pellet cancels removed)
>duck hunt (harder to do side b combos)
>inkling (roller has less range)
>k. rool

>Make Wii Fit Trainer's deep breathing slower but easier to time correctly
It's already easy to do

I thought that's a buff for gordo to have less screwups?

not only that but he literally jumps to hit all of the boxers cause hes so short, yet they make him shit in the air. legit no other fighter is made with the "gimmick" being a bunch of things the character is bad at, wtf sakurai.

Well EXCUSE ME Mister Timing Wizard not every one of us is 18 anymore! Some of us decrepit fogies still like video games and need a little more generous timing windows, okay?!
Okay, fine. Maybe change it so she doesn't go into full freefall after super hoops (ie can still do normal aerial attacks).

The tweaks to Ridley in this update make no sense to me. If dair let him grab the ledge no matter when he does the move I could see it being an ok tweak but as is it's barely anything. Don't let me down balance team. Give Ridley just a bit of love. Or a lot of love, that'd be fine.

I just want her old recovery back. I swear it isn't as good.

All I want is a tweak to the way PK fire works. There is no reason Ness should be able to just toss them out without consequence. Even if he misses a pk fire he can't be punished because there is no end lag. Same goes for PK magnet. He gets to heal and have little to no end lag. Don't even get me started on wolf. Piece of shit fur bait

Wild gunman needs a buff period. By the time he gets set up for a shot he's already dead.

No matter what happens. Don't touch her

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>twelve hours and fifty-four minutes into the seventeenth of april
>still no patch

Where is it Hackurai?

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Later tonight, retard.

Supposedly coming around 5pm PST

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Make it so you can't throw out a pk fire while someone is trapped in it already. If they want more damage follow up, not lock you in place with the same move. Yes you can jump over it but there's no consequences to the Ness for just throwing them out until one lands.

She definitely needs a buff.

I dont ask for much, but if we're daydreaming:

>buff angled down smash to do more damage/shield pressure
>reset side b if hit in the air
>remove the STUPID fucking jump on the KO punch
>give back d-tilt combos

I'm not even asking for a teleport recovery, grappling hook or any of that bullshit, Mac is straight up ass right now.

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Buff Little Mac.
Nerf everyone else.

If you get PK fire chained you only yourself to blame

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BUFF PACMAN YOU MOTHERFUCKING SAKURAI

Shield her nair and grab her, or whatever your fastest OoS punish is
Unlike Palutena, who has a lot of other tools available, Ike relies on his nair to even get where he is, which isn't even the top tier. It's his only good neutral tool, his best approach option an retreat option, his best landing tool, and his best combo starter. It's even a better fair than his fair is. If you take away nair he has literally nothing. The character needs a rework to give him some more options, not a nair nerf

What if I'm a fatfuck like Ridley?

>Up B
>Up throw

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I main DDD, no excuses for getting double PK fired unless he gets a jump cancel read

How can they advertise the 17th, the 17th evening est would be the 18th in Japan...

AMERICA WINS AGAIN

Because they advertised the 18th instead in both europe and japan.

REMOVE ITEM DURABILITY FROM ROBIN

yoko ono tier ass

>nerfing mewtwo wasn't a joke

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>having aerial smashes available all the time
No

Those faggots,
I'm in the Japan time one, I was expecting it all day......

I would rather have his items buffed to justify the mechanic rather than erasing it, Im no Robin main but personally I would like
>more combo potential from lower level thunder
>ability to arc fire/thunder like DDD gordos
>half the startup frames of Nosferatu

This is true, I am usually able to get out of pk fire with Little Mac's Up-B, but if I try it with anyone else it doesn't work

How’s my boy Bowser looking

Also when is Sheik getting some big buffs, it’s impossible to do anything as her even more than usual

he is either going to get slightly more buffs or nothing which is the best situation to be in

Nice

Bowser Jr needs a buff of some sort. Less endlag on cannonballs? Right now it feels like a waste of a move to even try to use them. Maybe let him angle it? Or would that be too much of a change?

Let him store it like samus' charge shot.

Patch that changes Palutena’s hair color if you change colors.
>fuck up Shulk by giving all his good colors ugly black & orange hair
>Palutena’s hair is still green for every color when she actually looks aesthetic & pretty with Viridi’s hair
You too Sakurai.

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Sheik is about to be overshadowed again. With wolf and joker, there will be no reason to play her. Buff her damage or remove her from the game

>sakurai ever changing his waifu

besides the fair trains I really dont see the connection between her and wolf, her playstyle is more like Fox with the long chains

>fixing the audio in bayonetta's taunts
Never ever.

There's no way Wolf makes it through tonight with his balls intact.

Her Medusa colours should give her ivory skin, dark green hair, and an amber streak.

Why does her shit sound so weird? Did they get her to do it over fucking the phone?

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This raises an interesting question of who will make it out the least hurt out of the assumed top tiers(Peach/Daisy, Wolf, Pichu, Inkling, Lucina, Palutena, Fox)

the worst part is the noticable pause in her lines, sounds like the game can't load the audio quickly enough.

>post yfw you're at work when the update drops and have to wait for all them Joker shenanigans

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Inkling and Fox are okay. Palutena and Peach could get adjustments,(Peach might lose her float damage multiplier thing). Lucina is the one everyone wants nerfed but probably isn't getting touched, and Wolf is definitely getting nerfed.
You also forgot Olimar, who is probably gonna get by this patch but will be the next Wolf come next patch.

Buff ma girl Rosalina so it doesn't seem like I'm in a disadvantage in most matchups. Buff ma boy Wii Fit Trainer so he doesn't have such small hurtboxes. Buff Ryu so he is not tedious to play.

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>hurtboxes
You mean hitboxes?

Oh yeah olimar needs his up smash fixed. that thing should not hit that fast and hard while having almost no end lag to punish it

Aren't hitboxes where your character can be hit and hurtboxes the source of the damage?

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IT'S THE 18TH IN JAPAN ALREADY. WHERE THE FUCK IS IT.

Other way around, friend.

No, it's the opposite. Hitboxes are the boxes for your hits. Hurtboxes are the boxes for where you get hurt. If you get hit in your hurtbox, it hurts.

I don’t expect much competence from their balance team.

Not that I don't believe companies would hire leak men to purposely fabricate hype but anyone can come in and say "The update will remove this shit people datamined!" and be correct for sure because why would they keep it in there now?

In 5 hours.

>6

Oh, thanks for the clarification.

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Fuck Palutena.

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Doc doesn't need a rework, just a slightly better recovery and MAYBE a slight mobility buff. Also make his up-tilt easier to connect. Give me those three things and I won't ask for anything for the rest of Ultimate's lifespan.

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What qualifies as hard nerfs for the characters listed in that tier and why is wolf not in it? Why is greninja, shulk, yoshi and young link even in slight nerf?

>hard nerf
>woomy

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>implying Yoshi and Young Link don't need nerfs

>nerfing any character into the ground
I will never understand this

Why would they?

because they don't?

Young Link has zero endlag on anything and his arrows are spammable as fuck on top of being combo tools. Yoshi also has degenerate frame data and damage output while being a heavy.

Fuck you, worst kind of player

>Buff Zelda but Nerf Wolf
What an easy way to spot a retarded

I'm so tired of this argument. It's kind of hard not to get pk fire chained when that's the only thing that is thrown out. Say I DI to the right of the attack. All Ness needs to do is throw out another one. DI to the left same result. Jump out of it? Pk thunder spam. It doesn't help that there isn't a limit on how many pk fires could be thrown out. If the Belmonts could throw out holy water as quickly as Ness, I can guarantee people would be bitching.

Most locations are observing EDT, not EST, so would this be released at 10pm EDT?

>all these people crying for buffs and nerfs

Insufferable. Imagine if melee was released today, people would be crying about muh puff back air or muh fox, buff Game and Watch.

As they should. People want balance.

Melee is a bad game.

Post webms while 2.0 is still a thing
Was toying around with Bayonetta since she's one of my worse picks out of Random, so I tried & figure her out a little better

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>tfw you mained Plant on release, and now you're gonna main Joker cause he looks fun

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Characters are never going to be on equal footing, especially not in a game of 80 characters.
The best you can do is get close, and i think the game is in a pretty good spot right now that nothing drastic needs to be done.

Retard

Wut

teabagging is asinine

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WHERE THE FUCK IS IT SOCCER GUY
I HAVE WORK IN TWO HOURS

>can taunt normally
>teabags
He deserved it

How long until it drops? Like 7 hours?

Yeah, neither should explosive flame,

Not when 15 characters clearly outclass the rest, boyo.

Thoughts?

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Play tournies

5 minutes Frieza time

Wii Fit Trainer just needs a little bit more range on her grab, the rest is already perfect.

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PLEASS DADDY SAKURAI MAKE SAMUS' JAB 2 WORK

>IT DOESN'T COMBO
>A JAB
>THAT DOESN'T COMBO INTO THE SECOND HIT

HOW
O
W

(also reduced dtilt endlag would be nice)

Too many nerfs. Literally get good. The only nerfs needed are slight nerfs to Pichu and Wolf, and some adjustments until Marth is better than Lucina (the easier character to pick up shouldn't be the more rewarding one)

Nah fuck you and fuck those characters. Nerf em.

Nair is the only fast and reliable way to hit forward in the air.
It's pretty good as it is. It's just not very active

Landing nair into jab SHOULD be safe on shielf if spaced correctly... If jab worked as it should..

>My main Ganon could use some buffs for sure
>a bit of speed buff would be cool.
jesus christ you people

little mac main here btw, a little bit of an aerial buff would be cool :)

See you after work.

Projected time is 9 am eastern due to scheduled maintenance speculation

It is stated to be release on 18th for Europe, so not for about another 5-6 hours at best, likely more. Nintendo likes simulataineous releases even if it means middle of the night for some place (This is good though.).

>the one game where roy is not stuck in marth's shadow and not held back by his sweet spot
>nerf him

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You are trash at this game if you think Ness or Ike need nerfs. Ike literally only has one option in neutral, it's linear and predictable as fuck. If you can adjust to his gameplan you don't have the right to to even make an image like that

It's sad because if the other player "plays to win" there's literally nothing LM can do.
His kit is terrible in this game, and unless the opponent is extra aggro and wont edgeguard you have no chance

>9AM EST
Are you from the past, bro?

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He only nerfed 3 characters and slightly nerfed 12 out of the 65 characters. In what world is that too many nerfs?

>THEY SHOULD BUFF THESE CHARACTERS BY GETTING RID OF THEIR SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED WEAKNESSES
Please never ever touch code in your life

Who do you main? Or atleast usually play as?

Because he's asking for nerfs for every character that gives him trouble online and not anything informed by the actual meta or from having played in tournaments, even locals.

>Fix Nair or at least give it a semblance of hitstun
>Fix D-tilt's launch angle
>make my grab not the slowest non tether/pacman grab in the game

some aerial mobility buffs would be nice too. Retards will talk about nerfing knight but I am not sure what else I am supposed to do with her if they got rid of that.

>Lost the combo game she had in 4
>upsmash/downsmash from brawl is gone
>can't l cancel fair/bair like in melee

Y'all complain but making this character work sometimes can be a bit frustrating.

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Gonna post another one, couldn't get that much flashy stuff with Bayo, but I didn't really try to. I actually got a Dair spike edgeguard but I fucked it up by UpB-ing my opponent right after and they were able to recover while I wasn't

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Even though I don’t even play online and usually play locally, or with friends. You fucking retard.

Just nerf her neutral B and I'm fine

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Answer the question

what a bad idea, switching is 95% of the fun with pokemon trainer

This. buff her arsenal just make nayru's love not a free invincible button when i'm trying to punish

All I’m asking is that they reduce the endlag on her spells in general, buff Nosferatu, and allow it so Arcfire’s angle can be adjusted and buff it so it doesn’t get canceled out by every single attack.

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Even when you know what the directions are it's still annoying to use.

Make Ganon's sword longer

I dont wanna live in world were Zelda is good shes already feels like ass to fight

The reason for it is that it juts him upwards I'd imagine. If he could just fly spamming up airs, that'd be kind bad.

I remember when a lot of people threw up such a big fuss about ganon's new sword smashes and saying he's was going to be even worse.

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I don't hate Roy for his power or use, I hate him out of principle, so don't worry.

We lived in that world once. Project M anyway

its all I want

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I hope bayo gets buffed a bit. Also how high are the chances that joker will break the game?

>Kirby's down-B now does massive shield damage
>Samus's roll has super armor in its early frames
>Inkling loses some jump1 height and splat roller forces you to drift a little on a successful bury
>Little Mac's KO Punch has faster startup
>Incineroar's up tilt has less base knockback
There probably won't be too much changes. Shit's in pretty decent shape honestly.

I can only hope my precious boy is untouched but I would live with a minor nerf.

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It's too early to panic about joker. The trailer made him look good.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT

less than 6 hours

Kinda depends on how good he is without Arsene, how much better he is with Arsene, and how long Arsen actually lasts

How do I do this

We're getting patch notes again yes?

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She needs effective tools against short characters. Down tilt is better, but it still isn't a quick answer. I don't think I should have to weave around with sun and ball for damage just because my other normals just don't quite get through disjointed multihit spamming attackers that are a third her size, especially on Final Destination.

Duck Hunt needs to lose its ability to act out of up b. With Olimar it works because he has some intense mobility in it. For Duck Hunt, using the can as protection is harder to accomplish when you can just as easily side b discus and suicide. (Since you're pressing forward toward ledge and b to hit can). Its not fast and you can't even act out of it immediately at the start, so I do not see the benefits to it. In addition, even when the "rising" isn't completely finished, the window to air dodge ends right before this happens, which can be annoying too. Always feel like I'd have to do it early or i'll miss the window which isn't completely clear. Lastly, fix duck hunt's tricks as they were in Smash 4. Can always knocked enemies in the direction it was facing. Some attacks on the can would change its facing to bring opponents towards you. It was a 100% chance in Smash 4 to go in the proper direction. Now it knocks enemies depending on which side the game feels they hit the can on, which means you'll never really be confident you're able to get any can combo. Please unfuck duck hunt!

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We already know arsene will hit like a truck since he's got ganon/incineroar sound effects
What we need to know is how joker will hit in base form and how can he combo

funny thing how the sony fanboy left when you brung up this

Depends on whether or not you want to call the nonsense they usually give us as “patch notes”.

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>Can be gimped harder than Cloud

They didn't actually show if he could do the aerial gun dodge while in the air (they only showed it when Joker started on the ground), so if he doesn't have that, all he's going to have is a tether recovery like Ivysaur

Yes, they can buff/nerf whatever they want. My only interest is Joker now.

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>She needs effective tools against short characters.
I don't think so, having weaknesses makes for a balanced character.

Because Nintendo are a bunch of lazy retards that don't know how to buff/balance slow characters so they just make them faster instead giving better moves/buffing moves. I love bowser and want him to be good but they ruined his them. They could have buffed him in other ways but they're greedy lazy japjews.

Can't wait for Samus to get buffed in to SSS+ tier and destroy every tourney

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Chrom and Lucina are boring unneeded clones, more clone-like than Roy is to Marth and Ike is ubique at least.
If I could delete two characters it'd be Chrom and Lucina.

Just make the second hit of up air reliably connect. That's all he needs.

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soulless

Yes.

Now that we have a decent nintendo => english dictionary from the last patch we can even understand it as well.

Buff Sheik's everything and remove Mewtwo's tail hitbox
also FIX THE FUCKING ONLINE

Fuck ZSS that slut whore should only be for fucking and sucking in lower tiers. But yeah normal Samus is based.

You are confusing the terms hitbox and hurtbox again

the current build already removed all the character placeholder data, doesnt mean it was fake though

IT'S FUCKING 2PM NOW WHEN IS THIS SHIT RELEASING???

Literally no one care about zombies in 2019

>ganon in more need of a buff than bowser and dedede
>ganon is already the best heavy

youre retarded

When does it drop? I figured it was gonna be a midnight release yesterday but I guess not.

9 o'clock EST apparently

less than 6 hours

I know they probably won't do it since they'd have to change the in-game tip that says he's the slowest, but Incineroar really needs a speed buff.
He should still be slow, but like Ganondorf slow rather than the literal slowest character in the game.

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9 PM? I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 9 AM. FUCK

>Nerfing anything on Incinibun

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theres plenty of endlag dumbass get good

Not him but I assume that would be a buff so you can combo out of it like DDD can

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>Patch Notes
>What's That? Looks Like Pichu is Evolving!
>There are just Two Pikachus now

chonk cat gud slow no fast

I forgot, sorry. Do any of you anons have a link to understanding Nintendo's terminology and the community's?

That's not a nerf you retard
It extends the amount of time Incineroar's UpTilt can combo reliably into itself or UpAir/Aerials
Nobody uses Incineroar's UpTilt as a kill option to begin with

>DUDE JUST NERF THE GOOD CHARACTERS
Why do you guys want to make the entire cast shit?

Just buff Bowser Jr God Dammit

so i live in pennsylvania. it will be 9 pm till i get to play him? mother fucker

use attacks, dumbass. Ness is super vulnerable before during and after pk fire use. most of the roster can counter or absorb it too.

maybe you just play a bad character

My main is getting buffed and yours is getting nerfed
How does that sound?

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It's been forever since Days Gone has been announced and it's only selling point is that the zombie number is really big. I don't see what I'm supposed to be seething about when I can just play any other zombie game right now and cross my eyes to percieve more zombies.

It hurts but it's probably going to be the case

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Please help little Mac

WHO YALL NIGGERS MAIN? FALCON MAIN HERE. SHOW ME YA MOVES

But what if my character is your character?

Nerf her into the Earth's crust

Good question

>curse you, Marth
>I'm Lucina
every fucking time

>wahh wahh I can't do brainless 0-death combos anymore

Good. Fuck off bayoshitters

She's gettin' raped tonight bucko. Fuck your faggot ass character.

Hello fellow Pennsylvania user

You're the same guy who will start making "WTF ITS NOT FAIR NERF SAMUS" threads once she starts gaining traction, aren't you?

Where is this sentiment coming from? I mean I like it, but where

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Samus' fine as she is right now anyway. A decent Mid Tier with a decently high skill cap with everything that Charge Shot enables.

hi. this state sucks doesn't it?

>Plant's meme touch is already fading out and people's interest is dying
wew

If memory serves, you just have to land a move to refresh your down B

That happens to every character that isn’t a top tier, Captain Falcon, or Ganon.

Didn't it come back because joker had the reflect down b activated

in 5 hours

What a well reasoned argument. Great job refuting points. Face it some characters are cheap and gimmicky and the PK babs are perfect examples.

Damn you Wii Fit Trainer for being too balanced. Such an honest character.

streamable.com/2yzql

It died a long time ago already
Plant hardly lasted a week or so before people realised this character wasn't quite up to task
The only good player of Plant I know of right now is Brood, a Japanese former Duck Hunt main

I do believe this is just a case of Dark Samus getting out-fucking-played

>give Sheik more damage and at least one 50/50 kill setup
>make luma move/reposition faster when desynced instead of having a small delay
>allow Bayo to cancel f-air1 into other stuff like in Smash 4
>increase Corrin's air acceleration/mobility

There I fixed the Smash 4 queens to be playable at a reasonable level

Were weight values ever changed in Smash 4? I wasn't really actively aware of any of the balance changes back then due to college taking up too much of my time. If that was a thing, I'd love to see Ridley be at the very least as heavy as Piranha Plant.

But, aside from some frame shit and tweaks to hitboxes (I swear to God his FSmash is the most inconsistent feeling thing I've ever used) Ridley feels really good. He doesn't feel broken and he doesn't feel busted. He's probably the most middle of the road fighter there currently is on the roster, and being smack dab in the middle of 70+ characters isn't exactly the worst place to be.

Not that I'd turn my nose up at some buffs, of course.

They really were too afraid of the meta being the same and over nerfed them all

I’m going to stay in these threads so somebody can post patch notes assuming they do it again

Any idea when the patch suppose to drop anyway?

No one is saying people want the roster to be shit you moron. People don't want bullshit on characters that clearly would or could not be applied to the other characters to shine over everyone else. Wolfs blaster is retarded. Peach/Daisys ability to get full aerial damage just because she hovered an inch off the ground is retarded. Are you afraid your super strong character may get brought in line with everyone else? That or you just assume people want the top tiers to be destroyed into oblivion which not everyone wants.

Yoshi should be able to make up to six eggs by eating projectiles or something and fire them with a cursor

9PM eastern apparently
This guy is a genius

I think they adjusted Mewtwos weight by a point or two. Ridley feels like he'd need 5-10 points of weight though. I agree he's not bad at all but as you said some of his shit is weird. FSmash I agree doesn't feel right at times. The hitbox seems like it should hit when it doesn't, or hits when you'd not think it would at all. Which sucks when you have characters like Wolf with their hitbox and frame data. Also tired of feeling like I get punished no matter what I do as him.

Turning around mid attack when I don't want to really needs to stop. It's happened enough times that I just don't believe it's my fault anymore. This coming from someone who loves doing midair reverse skewers to catch people off guard when I land.

Mokoto was the ass girl though.

I'm honestly kinda disappointed with Joker. Looks really boring as a character.

>IM SHIT SO NERF THIS
>NERF THAT SO I CAN PLAY A GARBAGE CHARACTER
why not just buff the shit characters instead of nerfing? nothing is as broken as bayo only in 4 at the moment

Yeah same. Can't wait for the king boo DLC

Yup, barely anything needs nerfed and there's nothing honestly dominating the game. Only slight nerfs to a couple, maybe, and no nerfs or hard nerfs. There are some characters that need QoL buffs though, or are bad enough they need real buffs

t. Person afraid their stupid shit will be tweaked to be in line with everyone else. You better be prepared for Wolfs blaster to be nullified by normal projectiles bucko. Just be ready for that crazy shock, I know. I hope it doesn't make you switch to another top tier, ok? Stick with it, buddy. It'll be ok.

wait I haven't done multi man
how do these characters fuck it up

Green Mario

Buffing everyone to insane heights would make the game stale. Characters having inherent weaknesses makes the game more fun. To add, if everyone was broken, then you'll have to learn 30 matchups and you'll also have to deal with a lot of jank. I'd much rather have all the characters even but with some issues in each.
Also several of the nerfs people are pointing out are for legitimately bad things that take fun out of the game and add frustration. Do you want every character in the game to have no lag on their smash attacks, or have a frame 5 tilt that kills at 120, or have uninterruptable projectiles that do 8+ damage? It would be far too chaotic and disorganized. However, I do want a lot of low and mid tiers to be buffed though. A lot of characters don't deserve the hand that they're dealt.

How long till the patch is out?

Make fireballs instant KO and remove all end lag from luigi's dash attack

MAMA? MAMA LUIGI??? WUAHAHWAUWAHAHAHWAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

He'll just ignore you and continue to demand that the stupid shit stay so that there's "super awesome high tier play that only true masters can understand" or some retarded bullshit. You explained everything better than I could have. Thank you, user.

Zelda is ass though, she has that as a get off me tool because her neutral is terrible

4 hours 20 minutes

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I just want their tether recovery to connect more consistently

No problem user. We must hope that those who disagree can listen to us and reason their stance. Even if they don't change their view, it's nice to know that they know how we feel.

It’s out, mine updated like 3 mins ago.

thanks man.

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BULL SHIT

Based

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Yeah I don't mind people disagreeing but there's obviously things that make characters obviously better than others. This can be fine if it's their shtick but for things like Wolfs blaster or Peachs floating short hop aerials, it's a bit much.

I can't believe you actually fell for it

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>2019
>Marth is nowhere to be seen in the top 8 of ultimate tournaments

I mean as of now that time frame isn't wrong.

belmonts are obnoxious but at least they have a clear weakness in that they don't have a lot of good options once the distance is finally closed

i hate jousting with swordies so goddamn much

8:50 pm Eastern, read the thread

just patch this little shit out of the game

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No

I just want Samus to win more tourneys lol

FIX KIRBY'S INHALE

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>vs Ike
>All they do is Nair into Up-air
I wonder if they are bored sometimes.

based

Just buff everyone that's bad.

kek

Scheming all sorts of stages in my head. Hope there's a lot of options.

We'll get none of that while getting a levin sword nerf.

imagine being this bad

you should start doodling them

Threads sinkin lads.

What do?

take a 4 hour nap

I can't wait for all the dick stages

Imma make a new one ASAP
give me a sec

>Corrin got a remix of Fates title theme
>Not Road Ahead (Roar)

Massive crime.

>Character X has been adjusted
That's all you're getting.