Team Fortress 2 Thread

post your tf2 sprays and your main !
heavy

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>making it a general when the last thread died
Just give it a while, man.
If he needs fixing, it would have to be buffs to lower-skilled players, and nerfs to higher-skilled players. This sounds terrible, but the issues with Sniper is that poor players become dead weight and the best players completely stop the game.
I don't even know how this could be done.

I have 3k hours on 2fort. Ask me anything

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>actual children
ENTIRE TEAM IS BABIES

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>gays
That's not tru-
Oh no.

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2Fort wouldn't even be a bad map if you didn't have snipers who mysteriously headshot you no matter how fast and unpredictable you move

medic

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>replaces right hand
>but only when drawn
I hate this. It tickles my autism. It should be on the left hand, or very clearly instead be like a glove he puts his hand into, instead of a hand replacement.

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I tried lads, I really did.
I just cant play TF2 anymore outside of the weekends when the good communities come alive.
I really wanted to like casual, I was hoping they could at least make it on-par with quick-play. But ever match I've played has either been a boring as sin wipe from my team or an annoying as hell wipe from the enemy team.
Why did they ever have to replace Quck-play in the first place?

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It needs another way into the Intel area, and another way around, instead of just the sewers and bridge.

Buff Spy

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I main heavy.

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Do you want ideas or is that a command?

Sniper doesn't need "fixing"? Look at how good he is in the actual game
>commonly bottom of the scoreboard in pubs, doesn't really topscore any more than soldiers, demos, medics, and heavies already do
>in competitive 6v6 he's a weaker choice than medic, scout, soldier, and demo
On what real-world basis does he even need to be nerfed? Fucking Highlander, is that it?

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>commonly bottom
What fucking map do you play on

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iirc theres a draw animation where his hand transforms into this thing.
they just never used it.

Almost any map in the Payload/CP/AD/KoTH rotation, plus Doublecross and Degroot.
Only map I commonly see Sniper topscore on is Badwater.

Are you seriously telling me you don't see 1-2 dead weight snipers at the bottom of the scoreboard in almost every game? Do you even PLAY this game?

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everything outside the abortion gamemode 6s.

>joker uses a real ass gun
>the gun rule has been lifted
He’s in.

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So you're just ignoring what was said about pubs then

It should add the hand itself folding over on the side, and then add a second model for when the Gunslinger is used.
It just irks me how it is now.

in pubs hes pretty much unstoppable unless a better sniper is playing.

I'm assuming you didn't play p5. He doesn't use real guns in that.

How much do you want to die?

It looks like a gun
It fires bullets
It is literally called “gun” in smash.

It’s a fucking gun.

yeah
but its not a gun.

It's not a real gun. The guy buys his guns from a toy shop.

Then what is it?

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airsoft

>It's not a real *gun*.
>The guy buys his *guns*

so what? why does "stopping" him matter if you can crouch behind the cart and push it into the hole, or walk via flanks to the capture point?
You win TF2 by the objective, not frags, and you can't do shit to capture or physically block the objective if you're a mile away and they're hiding behind an obstacle

In the real world game I have even beaten literal lmaobox aimbots this way, Bonk colaing to the objective as scout repeatedly until it's in the hole

remove pyro

>so what? why does "stopping" him matter if you can crouch behind the cart and push it into the hole, or walk via flanks to the capture point?
>implying hiding behind cover doesn't make it immenseley easy for his team to kill you
>Implying he can't just see you or shoot the top of your hit box anyways

>In the real world game I have even beaten literal lmaobox aimbots this way
>by slowly suicide bombing the cart and his entire team was just not bothering to stop you

honesty speaks volumes to what you had to do.

Do you even play the game?

bro smash is a game for kids

>no Defibrillator melee for Medic
What would it do? I'm thinking it could have no swing, but will be held out while M1 is pressed, and do constant damage, but drain a charge while held, which recharges quickly when released. The DPS should be lower than hitting every shot with stock, but higher if you miss a shot or two.
Then it could heal allies from debuffs instantly, and give a speed boost to both Medic and patient when it does.
The issue is making that second part actually useful. Why pull out your melee when you could continue to heal and cut the timer by half anyway? And giving Uber on removing a debuff would be too good, considering one class is all about debuffs. I just know it would fit the theme perfectly, and that's what matters.
Thoughts?

Based and Retarded.

Nice.

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fuck sniper

I should also add there's an enormous amount of ways for every single class to stop even an incredible Sniper without having to switch to Sniper:

>Hit Sniper with arcing projectiles or splash damage which can allow you to attack him while he can't see you. Eg: Scorch Shot spam.
>Bonk to run into closerange and meatshot.
>Jumper weapons to get right in his face.
>Cowmangler charged minicrit rockets which will instakill Snipers from long range.
>Fists of Steel, Brass Beast or Shokolad to tank headshots while passing sightlines.
>Wrangler rockets to countersnipe the Sniper.
>Vaccinator bullet resist mini-ubers which build incredibly quickly to nullify 75% of his damage and completely block his critical hits.
>Spy to literally just walk invisibly to his position and stab/shoot when he scopes in.
>Use flank routes to completely avoid the area he's looking at and get into close range.
>Hitscan chip damage to throw off his aim with flinch.
>Call for Help to bring your hand hitbox above your head hitbox and block a headshot.
Almost all of which I have used, and they work. But it's much easier for theorycrafters to whine for nerfs than to actually play the game.
What sort of question even is this?
>honesty speaks volumes to what you had to do
It's a literal aimbot, no shit I had to go to lengths to beat it, the point was to illustrate that even at the HIGHEST POSSIBLE level of skill of Sniper it's still totally possible to force him to rely on other classes or lose

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Post Ye Scottish Cyclopes and rate ye fellow Scotsmen

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God, How I want the engineer to fuck me

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You get to inherit ONE tf2 map as your very own private property. Which do you choose? I go with harvest because having some little farm in bumfuck nowhere sounds nice.

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>gays typically have feminized brains
>females play healer because they prefer construction and nurturing in games over destruction and disorder

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Ok. Here's how you do it:

+Buff all revolvers to do 10-20 more damage at maximum ramp up, all other values stay the same
+able to immediately cloak on successful backstab(not allowed on the DR)
+Backstabs on ubered targets drain ubercharge
+fix disguise bugs, allow for fake shooting, reloading, scoping and revving
+increase MS to slightly higher than Medic
+Sapper can now be thrown, mainly to counter minis
+REVERT THE FUCKING AMBASSADOR NERF
+make new watch that can let you phase through enemies and objects while invis at huge cloak costs. Will help counter dispenser walling on stairs.
+overrall faster decloak times

Even then he'll still be bad when compared to sniper. His design just doesn't work in comp play.

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oh and
>>Implying he can't just see you or shoot the top of your hit box anyways
nope, not while crouching behind the cart.

youtu.be/ngKFVVHtuOA?t=42

Can't headshot until the rifle starts charging.
Replace charge bar with a damage number.
Reduce ammo from 25 to 12.
Reduce movement speed to 93%.
Buff SMG damage by 25%.
Heavily nerf his unlocks.
Buff spy.

goldrush

Totally different person.
I guess my problem with sniper is that it feels cheap that he can instantly kill any class from any range while hiding behind his entire team for virtually zero risk compared to the only other class with instakill (spy needs to literally be right next to his target).
Maybe I can admit he's balanced in the game but getting killed by a sniper never really *feels* fair, which is a shitty reason for a nerf but it does make the game subjectively less fun for a lot of players if the other team has a good sniper, or god forbid a fucking botter.

Based Taste/10

I like each of them, fucking good shit

Over here:

>bullets are projectile based when you scope in so you cant just insta-gib people the second you see them
>charge time determines the speed of the projectile along with the damage
>mini-crits on headshots until 50% charge
that last one is optional but at least he wont insta-gib you with no chance of dodging him or surviving if you accidentally step out into a sightline for .02 seconds

better with glengarry bonnet

Upward,

I just wanna ride the Cart down the slopes and smash down to Blue Spawn :c

Asteroid

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Honestly?
Remove all maps on rotation that they know and bring out new maps constantly.
80% of a pro sniper's game is crosshair placement due to how much they play a map.
Throw them in a new map and you wont be instantly cucked 24/7.

Snipers are "broken" now because these people have thousands of hours on him with insane muscle memory for crosshair placements on all "standard" maps.
They've literally just gotten good.

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>tfw remembering the community servers you used to play before quickplay anal vored them

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>+fix disguise bugs, allow for fake shooting, reloading, scoping and revving
why the fuck do you seriously want this, this changes fucking nothing and will make people that much more paranoid since now anyone can be a spy

>sniper
where's the mercenary badge

Harbl_Hotel

>why would you want to make something work as intended?
Everyone is already paranoid. But seeing a revving heavy or scoped in Sniper will definitely help in buying you time to act.

>Projectile
So many people bring this up as a "solution" without actually thinking about it.
Basically you would be turning all rifles into the Lucksman.
And unless you're going to give the sniper rifle projectile the utterly bullshit head hitboxes the Lucksman has, Sniper would become so unreliable as to be literally unusable.
Add that to your mini-crits on headshots below 50% charge and nobody would pick him ever again. He would actually manage to be a worse class choice than Spy.
>inb4 "good"
People wanting to make classes unusable don't get listened to by Valve for balance decisions.

Sniper isn't the strongest class in the game. Medic, Demo, Scout and Soldier are all better classes the majority of the time.
If it's fairness grounds there's still an enormous amount of ways you can beat him. It's only unfair when you're playing by Sniper's rules, when you're playing by your rules and using a vast array of unlocks like charged Cow Mangler shots he literally can't reliably counter, it's unfair for him.

Plus Sniper is a lot fairer than pretty much any other sniper class in vidya.

>spawns
>gets out of door
>headshot from across the map
>freezecam of sniper with unu waving
He isn't broken but this shit is unfair

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>+able to immediately cloak on successful backstab(not allowed on the DR)
Make it a knife sidegrade.

Reminder :)

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>this changes fucking nothing and will make people that much more paranoid since now anyone can be a spy
not him but that's retarded logic
making spy more convincing at disguises might make people "more paranoid" but it doesn't matter either way, because they would have more spychecking to do all the time, and since that would be a huge waste of time, it would end up being a net benefit for the spy

i mean by your logic we never should have given spy invisibility because it would make people "more paranoid", for example

I play everything when I feel like the team needs it, and this means I normally play medic.

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I also want it. It'd literally only a buff, and will trick some people, no matter how much you disagree. But it's also fair and doesn't come out of nowhere.
I don't agree with everything he said, but that's one thing everyone should want.

>a class' entire gimmick is instakilling people from a range where they have almost no counterplay
forget balancing
why do we even want this

No. Its permanent so long as you dont use the DR.
Spy currently will 100% be guarenteed to die after a pick if a team has basic communication skills.
He needs a way to circumvent that, being able to instantly decloak gives him a chance to disappear safely or ride and surf damage to safety. It's not guarenteed but it's actually something.

So what do you main user ?

Because it's a nine class game and Sniper fits in well.
If he needs changes, they should make bad Snipers a bit better and the best Sniper a bit worse, even if that sounds dumb.

Lft S31

What do you not agree with?

based

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So YER is now even more worthless then

>me getting started in tf2 and being shit at it
>Engineer
>CTF on Double Cross
>2 - 0 score struggling with last.
>Fuckit.jpg.
>Rushed to enemy base through sewers, helping spy capture the Intel
>Fight enemy Scout and Engineer, die but allowing spy to finish them off safely and to capture.
>Autobalance

FUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Hmm ... I mean I do like helping ... but I wanna get married with a girl and have kids. You sure you're not just trying to justify being violent and edgy as the "manly way to be" ?

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>you will be autobalanced within 10 seconds
NONONONONONONONO

Now that I read it all, it mostly seems fine.
But draining Ubercharge on Ubered players, the revolver buff, and movement speed increase seem a bit much.
Also, disguises should provide the same resistance as invisibility, I like the sliding sappers as ammo idea someone's been shilling and you mentioned a bit of, and most of his guns should get some changes.
And just add more fucking weapons. Unpredictability is the Spy's greatest advantage.

because they want a way for anyone to counter out door turtles. but then they forget that snipers counter the counterer. So as long as a good sniper is on the turtles team he does shit.

Jokes on you, I play medic not because I like helping but because I have fucking shit aim.

>+Buff all revolvers to do 10-20 more damage at maximum ramp up, all other values stay the same
>+able to immediately cloak on successful backstab(not allowed on the DR)
>+Backstabs on ubered targets drain ubercharge
first one pushes him out of his niche too much, second one removes his counterplay, third one is too gimmicky and i can't see it being useful much
>+fix disguise bugs, allow for fake shooting, reloading, scoping and revving
>+increase MS to slightly higher than Medic
first one needs to happen, second one is actually not a terrible idea although it makes him infringe on scout's niche a little, 110% speed would be nice
>+Sapper can now be thrown, mainly to counter minis
spy's problem isn't that he can't counter engineer enough, kinda pointless change
>+REVERT THE FUCKING AMBASSADOR NERF
based and yespilled

>Even then he'll still be bad when compared to sniper. His design just doesn't work in comp play.
The reason his design doesn't work in comp play full-time is because he relies on the element of surprise to get a kill, but once he gets a kill, he has to wait a long time to catch the enemy by surprise again, during which time he is useless.

If he had something useful to do while waiting for the enemy team to drop their guard, he would finally be a good class full time.

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>why do we even want this
because tf2 at its core is a game about having different playstyles for different people to enjoy, and there are a lot of people who enjoy the sniper playstyle?
even people who don't play sniper can appreciate a skilled headshot
>from a range where they have almost no counterplay
see

>second one removes his counterplay

its not much counter play, but simply shutting him down unless he instantly cloaks away and saved up some hp with the kunai. Honestly there wouldn't be much difference outside a millisecond for the team being unable to react and discern where he went.
It seems reasonable that a spy should be able to get away with that if he cloaks fast enough.

>all of these focus the sniper in a 1v1 scenario and assume there's no entire rest of the enemy team to speak of
>calls other people theorycrafters
hmmm

Spy's knife sidegrades, except the spycicie, already have extra rewards that help him escape for backstabbing players
>instant disguise and silent kill
>very strong overheal
>increase speed
Giving him a instant cloak on every backstab will just make these spies even more horrible to fight against. It also prevents him from chainstabbing a distracted team since you have to have cloak off to do it.

Checkmate, only girls and casuals who have never played a game in their life wouldn't be able to aim.

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>even people who don't play sniper can appreciate a skilled headshot

not really.
I appreciate huntsman players able to lead shots and predict paths on the fly. I can appreciate an engineer that is clever with his building placement. I can appreciate anyone pulling off a taunt kill.

A sniper headshot is uninvolved and not that impressive.

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So demo?

I think the insta-cloak could work excellently as a sidegrade personally, playing into hit-and-run tactics

>Giving him a instant cloak on every backstab will just make these spies even more horrible to fight against.

meh, if you saw him do it you can still shoot the general area he was and follow him. All it does is mimic the kunais bonus health or the speed of the big earner.

I wouldn't mind a Sapper Replacement that was basically a "Bag of Tricks" kind of deal - something that you swapped out that let you poison medkits, boobytrap ammo kits, and plant little spy cameras that shows enemies through walls for your team within a small area.

what is the kind of player that you hate with your soul
>that guy who never gets out of his base even if his team is on the offensive (not talking about engineers btw)

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You can't exactly follow a spy when he just disappeared after a backstab.

It wouldn't cloak on a kill, it would allow you to clock immediately after a backstab.
As it is, after a backstab, you can't cloak the second you click M2 after killing, it has a half-second timer, which isn't present after shooting or sapping.
If he had better recon options and a few more ways to help his team, like slid sappers being ammo, he would have a bit more to do while waiting for the paranoia to wear off.

_scout_, desu.

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Medics that latch themselves to one teammate and never take their beam off of them ever

Have you never chased a cloaked spy before?

did you read what he wrote

>+able to immediately cloak on successful backstab(not allowed on the DR)
The guy's original post. It doesn't say it's a forced cloak. Why would that prevent chainstabbing?
I don't necessarily support the idea anyway, though cutting the timer on cloaking after stabbing in half could be nice.

>>all of these focus the sniper in a 1v1 scenario and assume there's no entire rest of the enemy team to speak of
If he has an entire rest of the enemy team, you have an entire rest of your team. What's your point?
>calls other people theorycrafters
Yeah because you're all talking about magical Sniper man who is "unstoppable" and never misses
even the best of snipers i see in pubs, the literal best, will die. even lmabox aimbots will die from time to time.
>I appreciate huntsman players able to lead shots and predict paths on the fly.
Huntsman has more luck and less skill involved in using it than the Sniper Rifle. It has a larger head and body hitbox to work with, and more luck involved in whether the enemy player decides to press A or D at the given moment the projectile reaches their location.
With the Sniper Rifle, if you click their head accurately with perfect skill, they WILL die; whereas they may not die with Huntsman even if you correctly tracked their position and lead their path to the height of human ability, because if they suddenly decide to stop, it doesn't matter how well you lead the shot.

If you click inaccurately with the Sniper Rifle and miss the head hitbox, they won't die. But you can click inaccurately with the Huntsman and they still walk into your projectile anyway, and you still get the kill (this happens a lot around corners).

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Those buffs arent anything crazy and would be QOL

Revolver buff allows Spy to not risk a clusterfuck roulette fail stab attempt and just off a target with aim
Instant decloak rewards Spy for doing something that is genuinely hard in comp but isnt broken as afterburn, and his low 125hp will usually spell death unless you surf or miraculously dodge everything
Backstabs on Uber targets finally let's Spy do something that no other class can do and still keeps medic and the enemy on their toes when ubered.
Sapper throw is QOL and will help with minis mostly. You'll be able to throw and forget and fight the 150hp engie instead of having to sap it first while dodging bullets as Mini Engies roam with their gun.

Ignore the downsides I guess and ignore that Spy is frail and still subject to afterburn and getting 2 shotted by explosion boys

Soldier mains with full stock and a medic up their ass in pubs.
They force people to play seriously to counter them.

Second would be anyone that just has to keep talking because a girl talked on the server. Acting all serious and suddenly ordering the team around. That or anyone that just has to get overly invested in whatever shit the girl says.

>I appreciate huntsman players able to lead shots and predict paths on the fly.
>Huntsman has more luck and less skill involved in using it than the Sniper Rifle.

You've never seen a good huntsman player then. long range arrows are a thing of beauty.

And yes snipers don't need to predict they just flick and click. The skill for that caps out pretty quickly.

>that guy who never gets out of his base even
Had some slice of autism where its just two dudes naming themselves as Tracer and Widowmaker spamming quotes from Overwatch, they got kicked so hard, but only after the team was about to lose.

What sucks is that i still see these two showing up in casual while server hopping.

>They force people to play seriously to counter them.
That's the Medic that's the issue, not the Soldier.
Medic turns a fun 1v1 into a 2v1 where the other player is much more likely to win just because they have a friend standing nearby with a medigun bumping up their numbers constantly

eh
medics on heavies or demos don't have the same issue. You can strafe them or repositon to kill the medic.The soldier doesn't need to be good to shut you down if you're playing some joke loadout.

And then when you switch and body them its a chore more than anything.

So basically you ignored everything I said and responded with "long range arrows are a thing of beauty."
A perfectly aimed long range arrow can still miss if the other player randomly decides to stop moving in the direction you lead for.
A perfectly aimed Sniper shot will always hit.
An off-target long range arrow can still land if the enemy stupidly walks into it with their larger hitbox.
An off-target Sniper shot will always miss.
You can spam arrows randomly into a chokepoint and pick up a kill, you can't do that with rifle.
That's why Rifle objectively takes more skill and less luck than Huntsman.

>A rude description of every class main.
>Manchild.
Yea ... checks out.

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test

>The skill for that caps out pretty quickly
Sorry, are you telling me you've hit the skillcap for headshotting Scouts, rocket jumping Soldiers and sticky jumping Demomen midair, to the point you can do it reliably with 100% accuracy?
Can you point me to one player in the game who has that skill and isn't botting?

>A perfectly aimed long range arrow can still miss if the other player randomly decides to stop moving in the direction you lead for.
and my arm could break when I'm playing sniper.
But they won't, especially when you know where they're going and know where to shoot making it impossible to avoid the arrow.

>That's why Rifle objectively takes more skill and less luck than Huntsman.

and yet it doesn't, simply because he just needs to click on heads.

Uncharged headshots do 125. Thats it.

>reflects your arrow

>this guy will ruin your game and cry that soldier needs more buffs
what do

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Guys guys... guyyys....

Sniper is shit, and even if he isn't he's probably hacking, or at least that's what everyone is thinking. Thats the hard truth

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Headshotting scouts isn't hard.
Soldiers are only hard if they curve while jumping.
Demos can go fuck themselves with their heads.

For the most part, the skill cap is pretty low yes. its impossible to be perfect but getting to that near aimbot level happens quite early on.

fuck off soundsmith, you play ctf and hightower

>Sniper is shit, and even if he isn't he's probably hacking, or at least that's what everyone is thinking. Thats the hard truth

I kick snipers that are good at headshotting.
It doesn't matter if they're aimbotting or not, they're ruining the game.

No
This is

>especially when you know where they're going and know where to shoot making it impossible to avoid the arrow.
You're literally deluded lmao. You DON'T know where they are going.
They might keep holding W before the projectile reaches their location, or they might suddenly press S, A, or D. It's literally impossible for you to know for sure what they will decide to do before the projectile hits them.
>simply because he just needs to click on heads
Describing clicking a tiny, fast-moving target reliably as "just click on heads" is so easy to do, isn't it theorycrafter? Let's see your gameplay video of 100% headshot accuracy

Spy's cloak is already very fast to begin with, you just have to survive that one second

where to find friends to play :(

Go play the game instead of shitposting about a YouTube channel

>Headshotting scouts isn't hard.
>For the most part, the skill cap is pretty low yes.
Your video please.
Full, unedited single round gameplay displaying constant headshots on players who are actually trying to dodge you.

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>get sister to say something in mic
>my team loves me
It feels nice to be liked

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>You DON'T know where they are going.
Ah sub 1000 hours I see.
>It's literally impossible for you to know for sure what they will decide to do before the projectile hits them.

huh guess you just need more skill then. Gotta stop relying on that luck.

> Let's see your gameplay video of 100% headshot accuracy
everyone misses, but missing with sniper has little to no downside and its rather easy to keep headshotting. I mean unless you're lucky, you're never going to headshot 100% o the time.

BASED

Waiting:

>>Headshotting scouts isn't hard.
It's not hard if the scout is running in one direction

MUH COMPETITIVE

>cloak
>fast on knife swing
Lmao. Ok buddy

>who are actually trying to dodge you.
>not bodyshotting the scout that's strafing you from far away
>if you can't cook the food you can't comment on its quality

I also don't have any videos without mods that show that.

>>if you can't cook the food you can't comment on its quality
>food analogy

Go make a video now then, or shut up.

What is your steam, I can add you (unless you're a furry tranny pyro main)

Guess I've got to play more Soldier and Heavy to regain my masculinity then

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No fag.

sent ;)

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>Seething
Thanks for admitting I was right.

>sexual deviants
ok first of all user, im absolutely not a sexual deviant
(but i jack off to furry porn)

You're blocked. I said no faggots

I agree that he doesnt exist but your arguement is total shit.

sniper is the strongest class in highlander next to demo. sniper is the offclass choice that is seen as most reliable in top lvl in 6s to get something done.

I don't play tf2 much anymore. everytime I get asked to post I stop playing.

It honestly just takes a week of practice and your muscle memory will get you up to 99% of shots. I'm mostly saying this because it felt unfair to play against.

>enable team damage
Spy would become EXPONENTIALLY more useful and dangerous than his current useless form.

pyro

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Explain.

That's stupid. Cheating against fags like that doesn't hurt their enjoyment, confidence, or their pride. They're just going to chalk up a loss to you being a loser who cheated.

What you have to do against faggots who a medic permanently glued to their ass kill either of them outright or keep his medic dead as much as you can to EXPOSE the shiny faggot as being worthless without a medic glued to his ass.

Sure, but can anyone tell me why the team just won't GET ON ZE POINT, DUMMKOPF!

Not him but:
Would heavily reduce Spychecking overrall. Especially with Pyro and explosion classes.

Of course this would completely change the game and is a stupid idea

Spy should just not take any damage when hes disguised as enemies and can walk through them. But he can't shoot or stab until he drops his disguise. Which requires him to go invisible and decloak.

>tfw a pyro and medic main
>a gay sexual deviant

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gee i still wonder

It's 2019 and people are making conga lines to this day

>Spy should be invincible just by pressing "last disguise button"
Fuck you guys are retarded.

Only smart buffs in this thread

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OH SHIT!
You can only use three, all class cosmetics for all of your mercs!
What do you roll with, anonymous?

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I forgot to mention he can't disguise unless he goes invincible.
And I'm mostly just spitballing.

>It honestly just takes a week of practice and your muscle memory will get you up to 99% of shots.
Video.
>Highlander
Highlander is its own thing. It balances itself. It's totally different to both other major formats of TF2, and if you even ask Highlander players they'll tell you that 6s is the most skilled TF2 format.
So whether you're going from a perspective of "balance around the majority of players" (pubs) or "balance around the most skilled group of players" (6s), Highlander fits into neither.
And since it's impossible to change class in the mode, it's not a good gauge of how viable classes actually are when you can change class-- the normal game. So why would you balance the game around it?
>sniper is the offclass choice that is seen as most reliable in top lvl in 6s to get something done.
Why would you nerf a class based on it being an offclass which is used significantly less often than 4 other classes? Where's the logic in that?

Sniper being the 5th most used class out of the 9 classes in 6s is an argument for keeping him the same, not an argument for nerfing him.

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>Video.
maybe if tf2 gets an update.

>Sniper being the 5th most used class out of the 9 classes in 6s is an argument for keeping him the same, not an argument for nerfing him.

Are you saying we should only balance the game around 6s? The game mode only a small minority of players play?

>reddit filename
So that's where the pro crits retards come from huh?

>ironically has less weapons banned than HL
>absolutely cucks and dumpsters heavy mains though

VERY BAD

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wtf the first line of my post should be." I agree he shouldnt be nerfed." oops

If you ascribe to the theory of "balance the game around the top tier of play" then, yes.
Either way, Sniper isn't overpowered in 6v6 OR pubs. So no matter which one you decide to balance around, Sniper doesn't need a nerf.

What does need to happen is a Spy buff.

meant to say subscribe to*

Oh I'm not saying we should balance around highlander either.
Fuck balancing around comp.

>If you ascribe to the theory of "balance the game around the top tier of play" then, yes.
tf2 was never balanced around this, in fact it was designed against this whenever possible.

what retard made this image?
getting rid of random crits doesn't mean you'd need to rebalance any existing weapons, as a lot of weapons that have the no random crits stats have other downsides that still make them worse than stock.
i wish people knew how to fucking play the game before they suggest such stupid shit.

>what needs to happen is a Spy buff
Okay faggot that's your 15th time posting that
Why are you ignoring ?

t. I Can't make a community server.

forgot to quote

i don't give a shit about crits, but if you think that they need to rebalance existing weapons just because they disabled crits, then you're retarded.

Are you retarded?
The image is just making fun of how the "community" currently hates random crits.
The comedy is that it exaggerates how badly they want R.Crits to be removed by declaring they wouldnt mind losing out on new weapons

>Knowing what reddit file names are
Wowzers

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reminder that pub players shouldn't have any sort of influence on the games balance, since they're so fucking bad that they consistently get rolled by retarded mouth breathing phlog pyros.

Community servers are fucking dead

Agreed.
They butchered the Ambassador for no fucking reason, fuck pubfags

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>t.comp nigger who exclusively plays demo, scout and soldier and think the world revolves around them
Compfags are a mistake and need to be gassed

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They're not mutually exclusive, turning off random crits would take 30 minutes of work at best.

Yeah too bad uncle dane didnt' say shit when that was happening.

a non-meme version

>>scout mains
effective, skilled scouts are important to have on any team, but the wannabes are certainly useless manchildren with nothing to contribute besides their annoying flashy loadouts

>>soldier mains
the easiest fucking class to play in the game, takes absolutely no skill, so people who suck at every other class will think they're god when they spend more than 5 mins on it

>>pyro mains
furries/bronies/faggots or F2P, there is no middle ground

>>demo mains
demomen who know how to hit their pipes are some of the most valuable players you can have on your team. on the other hand, demoknights are usually fucking trash, even though they genuinely believe that they aren't. they get their single charge kill and after that are easy picks

>>heavy mains
vital to have at least one on a team but anyone who MAINS the class and plays it for more than just necessity is a clown or a child

>>engineer mains
uncle dane wannabes 9 times out of 10. very rarely can these guys hit the broad side of a barn, that's why they have a sentry to do it for them.

>>medic mains
often furries/bronies/faggots, but when they aren't, these guys are more important than anyone else to have on your team, as long as they are a team player. a quality medic can and will carry an entire team to a win

>>sniper mains
a really good sniper who isn't using shitty meme weapons can be pretty helpful, but not when 4 others notice how good he's doing and switch to sniper too. at that point it's better off not having one at all. regardless of skill level, all sniper mains are fucking edgelords, sadly.

>>spy mains
same as above really, except the frequency that you will encounter a good spy main is way less often than with sniper mains. and for some reason this class attracts a lot of faggots too. i don't know why.

>should get some sleep
>not played tf2 in months
>see this thread

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go to sleep bro

Reeks of reddit and smugness, but relatively accurate.
Reads like a Soundsmith script.

You also mixed up Scout's description with Soldier's
Switch them around silly

>hurr most played classes are bad!

Stfu dumb demo/scout nigger.

I'm not, I replied to that. And this is only the second time I said Spy needs a buff in this thread, who are you quoting

i don't browse reddit, or watch soundsmith, just see the same shit way too often

triggered soldier main, pull on your gay little unusual shako a little tighter

Shows how fucking much actual want there is for random crits servers then

More community servers run fucking RTD plugin which adds even MORE randomness, even though it's easier to turn off random crits than it is to add rtd

Uncle dane didn't even play tf2 when quickplay was added.

Not him but I can tell you're a scout main.
Be honest, am I right?

>Reeks of reddit and smugness
Minus the accuracy that sums up soundsmith, what a terrible youtuber

Generally if you hate Spy for no reason other than being "cool", you're a bland person

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user it's pretty obvious that he does.

>Shows how fucking much actual want there is for random crits servers then
There aren't any servers for vanilla 24 slot tf2 either so that's a load of shit.
>More community servers run fucking RTD plugin which adds even MORE randomness
There are a ton of servers that force low gravity too should that be the new default setting retard?

demo main
nice try though

>There aren't any servers for vanilla 24 slot tf2 either
Yes there are, they're called Casual.
>There are a ton of servers that force low gravity too should that be the new default setting retard?
Where did I say that? The whole RTD thing is just illustrating how easy it would be to make your community server nocrit if the playerbase actually fucking wanted it.

>doing okay as sniper
>someone else goes sniper to stop me
>avoid that sight line and totally avoid him
>he never gets a single kill because he's only gunning for me
>continue gunning down his teammates

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Well. I'm going to assume you were honest.
Thank you for sharing

I hate snipers, i really do.

But i like your style. You play sniper like how it's intended.

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>There are a ton of servers that force low gravity too should that be the new default setting retard?
No because there's far, far more normal grav servers than lowgrav, but nice try :^)

Next update focus on misc game modes by adding in more maps
>Non-halloween PD maps
>More medieval maps based on other game modes (Medieval payload, Medieval CTF etc.)
>More support for Special Delivery
>FUCKING ADD ROBOT DESTRUCTION BACK IN

very suspicious pic my friend

Don't post racist comics on my website. Thank you.

this is usually how i try to play sniper but not every map allows for it

playing engie and killing a soldier in a 1v1 makes you feel powerful

What? it's just Olivia, CEO of Gray Gravel Co. and Mann Co., eating a healthy sandvich.

Nothing else to see there.

Oh and add arena back in as a misc game mode.

>Medieval payload
Morrigan Alley is a good one
youtube.com/watch?v=l3Z5QUHm-js
if it wasn't for copyright issues, the second version of Helm's Deep is also great

I hate getting oneshot from across the map with nothing I can do about it with little risk too the guy who did it.

check'd

>a non-meme version
This statement is a lie

>with nothing I can do about it
see

i respect people who can play scout well because it isn't an easy class to play EFFECTIVELY despite what some faggot on Yea Forums would have you believe. most scouts can't land any of their shots and having 110 hp is a massive gimp, making the best of that isn't very easy and does take serious practice, you don't have to main the class to understand that

125* bro, though i agree with your overall post

>Yes there are, they're called Casual.
And everybody bitched about casual because valve removed a ton of features with MyM and added long delays between games. Surely there should be a demand for vanilla servers but there isn't any.
>The whole RTD thing is just illustrating how easy it would be to make your community server nocrit if the playerbase actually fucking wanted it.
The playerbase clearly doesn't want to play on community servers period. They're fucking dead. The truth is most of the playerbase is just lazy/stupid and only uses matchmaking because it's the first thing on the main menu not because anybody particularly likes it. It would take a huge fuckup on valves part for the playerbase to migrate back to community servers.

>Be sniper.
>Enemy has a sniper.
>Nope.wav
>I start sneaking around the enemy team, going for their back lines and shooting them brom behind.
>See enemy sniper.
>He's oblivious to me.
>Sneak up behind him and start sniping his team, while he snipes mine.
>Good shot mate.
>...
>Thanks mate.

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This is why I love tf2's voice lines. You can have actual conversations with them.

This won't safe you the first time. It also feels like ass because there is very little direct combat against a sniper. If you catch him you win and if he has you in a position were you can't avoid him he wins.

>And everybody bitched about casual because valve removed a ton of features with MyM and added long delays between games
Bit beside the point isn't it? Point is it's populated vanilla 24 player servers with crits enabled which answers your question why there aren't any in community servers.
>The playerbase clearly doesn't want to play on community servers period. They're fucking dead.
teamwork.tf/community/statistics

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>"I hate to break it to you, but your team paid me to do that."

I never liked random crits but I don't think their removal will significantly improve my enjoyment of the game

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>This won't safe you the first time
The thing is that everyone knows Sniper exists and everyone knows where the sightlines for Sniper are on maps, that's why I don't need a "first time" to do any of these strategies, I just don't hang around in sightlines like an idiot in the first place.
You should just know by now not to poke your head out into the Sniper sightline at first point/last point of Badwater unless you've got some kind of protection or something that can attack back. You know he's going to be there.

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>1000 idle roleplay pony friendly trade server "players" count toward this pie chart
community servers are dead. no amount of statistics will convince me otherwise.

>over 2000 players are bots
and there goes your argument!

>map has obvious peaking points and choke points
>dominate enemy snipers as huntsman
>bathe in salty comments about luck
nothin presonnel

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>running to the frontlines as heavy
>sniper in an expensive hat appears not very far off
>reflexively hit Go Go Go! voiceline
>only take 150 damage as I'm shot in the arm
>sniper visibly shits his pants and ducks behind cover

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Did they nerf weapon drops? I've started playing again after a few years, and I'm barely getting any weapons even after hours of play. How am I supposed to try out all the new shit?

>Bit beside the point isn't it?
You made the claim that no crits servers would exist if people wanted it and I pointed out the same argument applies to casual and there aren't any servers for it either.
>teamwork.tf/community/statistics
Now remove all the servers that exist solely for trading/achievements/idling as those people aren't even playing the game and all the bots.
teamwork.tf/community/quickplay
800 players. That's pitiful.

I play medic because I like getting sick cross map heals with the crossbow and also coordinating with a team to drop in on an enemy's well defended choke point and decimate it all before falling back, regrouping. Then doing it again as we roll forward to victory.

Yeah they changed the way the drop system works to stop people who use idle servers and used to abuse them for hat drops.

idle roleplay pony friendly trade server "players"
teamworktf also has done a breakdown of those before, pony servers have almost ceased to exist (1% of community servers), idle servers have been superseded by trade servers, and I don't even fucking know what a roleplay server is.

community servers are made up of surf, jump, deathrun, 24/7 vanilla maps, vsh/freak fortress, trade servers, orange, MGE, dodgeball, prisonbreak, x10, x20, Prophunt, Fortwars, Randomizer, Zombies, community competitive, and regular rotation servers for Payload.
>no amount of statistics will convince me otherwise
Based flat earther.
You can literally go into your game's community server browser right now and look. But wait, those Danebois who bitch about random crits don't actually play the game, they just watch his videos.

So what the best way to get new weapons (besides buying them)? I ain't getting shit.

In practice you're right and I agree that sniper should not be removed but changed but I personally just hate him. He is no fun too fight, shuts down some movement options in open spaces (which is were movement is most fun) and is most easily expliotable with hacks. I don't think I have ever enjoyed a game more because there is a sniper in it.

>tfw community servers dead in oz
i just want to be able to play for longer than a single side switch and not get shut down by lmaobox shitters again
minicrits past the range of like the first rocks on badwater into as far as you can see into blu spawn from that angle
make caber do 125 damage again so people can suicide rush the better snipers holding sightlines easier

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>old caber
You mad man. I like it.

>You made the claim that no crits servers would exist if people wanted it and I pointed out the same argument applies to casual and there aren't any servers for it either.
Casual literally is "the servers for it". This isn't hard to understand.
>Now remove all the servers that exist solely for trading/achievements/idling as those people aren't even playing the game and all the bots.
That's what teamworktf does, yes. Bots literally aren't counted on that list. Try reading before posting.

i miss it so bad
jumping unaware f2p snipers on 2fort and blowing them sky-high was hilarious
valve is shit at making unlocks actually fun to use nowadays

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>over 2000 players are bots

I hate this meme.

Bots do literally nothing. You can't sell basic drops on the Steam marketplace, nor would anybody buy shit basic yellow-text weapons anyway. Super rare drops like hats are only worth a penny (and Unique quality, so again, you can only sell them on third party sites) and they too are worth less than a penny. There's a billion of them in circulation. There are promo codes on third party item selling sites to fucking give them away with your purchase, totally free, because they can't get rid of them. Combined with all of this, you are limited to 7 drops per week, and new accounts can't trade items without a Steam store purchase (not marketplace, store, as in games) that is 30 days old.

To make ANY profit with a legion of bots, you would have to pray that out of the thousand items on the loot table you get a name tag because this is literally the one item — again, one out of a thousand — that will sell and even then it's only forty cents. Yes I just used an em dash, I googled that shit to make my point because hearing this shit about bots from people who don't know anything keeps popping up and it's fucking annoying. And no, trade site bots also aren't in-game, as all trading can be done through the Steam client. So there's literally zero functional use for a bot, never mind a thousand of them.

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I agree. I think the best way would be to change Sniper to a mid-range class instead of a long one. Every other class in the game is nerfed outside of close-range except for him. Maybe make melee-quickscoping the main playstyle instead of an outlier.

it's really a lot of unnecessary steps to do trading these days, but it's worth it to have the entire game's arsenal of weapons at your disposal, or at least the ones worth having. just go trade some scrap.tf bots and be done with it

Dude his entire schtick is getting dummies out in the open, that’s why maps are designed with so many alternate routes

me not care

I agree he's not particularly fun to fight but honestly there's not much in TF2 that's fun to die to in the first place.
>and there goes your argument!
How? It doesn't change what I'm saying at all, the teamworktf list doesn't count bots on its pie chart of playerbase. Look at the list on the side and then look at the numbers of players on the chart, dumbass.

without premium you cant even trade or sell shit

>Casual literally is "the servers for it". This isn't hard to understand.
And I pointed out why they're not the same and don't act like TF2 players didn't bitch about MyM for years.
>Bots literally aren't counted on that list.
Yes official bots but not people who run a dozen instances of the game to farm metal in idle servers.

you already got btfo by someone else, so i don't need to explain.
get fucking farted on.

>Every other class in the game is nerfed outside of close-range except for him.
Because that's what makes him unique for fuck's sake, this is a class based game which attempts to have unique classes.
It's like saying
>wooow every other class in the game is nerfed in movespeed except scout
>wooow every other class in the game is nerfed in healing except medic
>wooow every other class in the game is nerfed in invisibility except spy
it's what Sniper does, it's what makes him unique, so saying that because other classes don't do it he shouldn't is absolutely fucking pants on head retarded

Most of the people trying to change the classes are pants on head retarded.

You definitely still can do this, just do it with nade launcher instead of caber.

Very often the main route is the one that is the most open and enjoyable to jump around in. Sniper gimps this fun.
If I were to change him I would increase his charge speed but make all weapons projectiles. At least I could have dodged it than.
I make dying tolerable by accepting that my opponent got the better of me.

Sniper's shtick is headshots, not necessarily long-range. All his secondary weapon are close-range, for example. You could keep the same satisfaction while increasing game quality by changing him to be the headshot class instead of the "sniping" class. There's a very good reason why shotguns are the most common weapons in this game. Sniper breaks the rules, which is why he's so lame to fight against.

it's not the same, though
they'd just be sitting there doing their shit with their unscoped machina and you'd just tap them with your boomstick the one time and bam, gibs and you fly off into the sky from the knockback and explode bind

So kill the sniper you dinky fuck.

ok mate nice argument
>And I pointed out why they're not the same
but this is simple to understand why do i have to explain it
people aren't playing nocrit servers because there's no demand for it
saying "oh look but there are no vanilla servers in community" doesn't work as an argument because that demand is already covered by casual servers
meanwhile, there is nothing covering the demand for community servers
you're just being intellectually dishonest at this point
>Yes official bots but not people who run a dozen instances of the game to farm metal in idle servers.
That is exactly the kind of bot I'm talking about, and they're not counted in the list of players, and are counted in the list on the side. Are you new to tf2? Teamworktf is common knowledge at this point, it gets cited all the time.

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>Sniper breaks the rules, which is why he's so lame to fight against.
If that was true Sniper wouldn’t have been added in the first place

Most people ITT complaining about Sniper don't play him, are not any good with him and don't realize Sniper loses a lot of his viability once you realize he's there & start juking him out.

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definitely yes

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Very often that isn't possible for most classes. Only really soldier can get him from long range.

Are you so inept that you can’t close the range gap between you and a sniper?

>Sniper's shtick is headshots, not necessarily long-range
Yes necessarily long range. That's why he's called a
S
N
I
P
E
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Holy fuck man you don't have to try and argue that black is white to us?
>All his secondary weapon are close-range, for example
So? They're secondaries that make up a tiny part of his total playtime?
>You could keep the same satisfaction while increasing game quality by changing him to be the headshot class instead of the "sniping" class.
So Sniper shouldn't be a Sniper? Why don't you literally just go to a different genre, man?
>There's a very good reason why shotguns are the most common weapons in this game.

I already showed you once why this argument is the most moronic possible thing you could say, but you had to go and try it again

>There's a very good reason why every class only has 1 jump.
>There's a very good reason why every class doesn't have rocket jumps.
>There's a very good reason why every class can't reflect projectiles.
>There's a very good reason why every class can't plant stickytraps.
>There's a very good reason why every class doesn't have 300HP and a Minigun.
>There's a very good reason why every class can't build buildings.
>There's a very good reason why every class doesn't have Ubercharge.
>There's a very good reason why every class can't go invisible.

As somebody who never played Quake Team Fortress but played Quake, what weapons did the classes have?

here you go bro
wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress

Cheers mate.

Wait no, it only has info on TFC which is good for most characters, there are certain stuff that wouldn't work in QTF

>the 15 year olds that use their gay little [lenny bind] after every kill, death, assist, and dom
>has at least 5 different variants of [lenny bind]
>ironically uses the word "epic" in every sentence
>when people tell him he's an unfunny faggot, he spams the [lenny binds] even more aggressively, and pulls that "u mad" shit

It used to be that this guy was shamed and frowned upon, now this guy is fucking everywhere. What happened, Yea Forums?

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user I think at this point people are just baiting

>not a sexual deviant
>admits fapping to furry porn

Not saying you're a furry but face it user, you're a deviant for jacking off to this.

>doesn't work as an argument because that demand is already covered by casual servers
everybody bitched about casual servers just as much if not more than random crits. they're the SAME fucking thing, your argument is bullshit. hell I would argue not being able to switch teams and the long waiting times is more frustrating to deal with than random crits so where are the servers? TF2 players are stupid demand clearly has nothing to do with it. Quickplay was no different. F2Ps click the first thing they see and don't care about the server or match quality. If community servers were front and center with matchmaking hidden away you would see the exact opposite numbers.
>That is exactly the kind of bot I'm talking about, and they're not counted in the list of players
Nowhere does it say this you pulled that out of your ass. It excludes players not in servers and official bots.

Are you implying that every class has the mobility to do so? Are you implying that the sniper doesn't have a team that will stop you from killing him? Are you implying that every distance is short enough to be closed without the sniper having multiple chances of blowing off your head?
I hate play against sniper and no amount of insulting me will change that.

Sniper is literally never a major threat unless you're on 2fort. Just take a different path to the objective. Why are you so stupid

Well then it sucks to be you dude. Either get good or go somewhere else

>Are you implying that every class has the mobility to (close the gap or otherwise kill the sniper)?
see

>I hate play against sniper and no amount of insulting me will change that.
And no amount of bitching about Sniper will change the fact you're a bad player who just needs to learn to play against him, and that Valve is never going to remove Sniper or change his fundamental design.

Your options are:
1- Learn to use the many types of counterplay there are to Sniper, and get good
2- Quit the FPS genre because good luck finding an FPS with no Snipers and an active community

>all this theory crafting
wrow

does anyone else build level 3 sentries on health packs just to piss off the enemy team?
thats my favorite thing to do in lake side, build a nest in that small room on the side

>Getting mad at lenny binds
If you do this you're the 15 year old, not them
Lenny binds are part of the soul of TF2

>Unironically calling Lenny binds "soulful"
Ask me how I know you use lime paint whenever you can.

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>everybody bitched about casual servers just as much if not more than random crits
No, everybody bitched about the INITIAL implementation of casual, then almost all the issues with casual are fixed and now the vast majority of the playerbase remaining doesn't care.
>hell I would argue not being able to switch teams and the long waiting times is more frustrating to deal with than random crits so where are the servers?
Instarespawn servers are common mate?
>TF2 players are stupid demand clearly has nothing to do with it
Boy,_everyone's_stupid_but_me.jpg
TF2 players know what they want, you're just a whiny vocal minority
>F2Ps click the first thing they see and don't care about the server or match quality.
So how do you explain that 40% of the playerbase that manages to find the community server button exactly? Why do they ask for RTD more than they ask for nocrits?

Is it possibly because you're fucking wrong lmao?
>It excludes players not in servers and official bots
How fucking illiterate are you?
READ THE BLURB AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE HAHAHAHA RETARD

"The difference can be explained by a lot of Steam users who are idling in the main menu of the game, or are simply bots faking to be actual Steam users (e.g. trading bots). We think the Steam stats are a misrepresenting the playerbase. The statistics presented below show an factual image of active in-gameserver players within TF2. "

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All of it works for me in practice, get good

What does tryhard even mean anymore?

>You’re better than me

There are more maps that have large open spaces. In larger teams it is quite likely that there are snipers on the alternative routes aswell
Yep it does, I do still enjoy the game so I'll stay.
Most of those solutions require you to actively alter your loadout for 1 class. Almost no other class in the game has require this. There is also the problem that using these methods will often leave you vunrable to other classes and in some cases you won't even be able to use the alternative method to kill the sniper.
Actually read my posts.

I don't think sniper should be removed or changed. I just don't like him.

heavy is a character for kids

Say that to my face fucker not online

no idea honestly, the definition's been fucked with so much it doesnt mean anything but "im a salty bitch" at this point

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Only bald loadouts can post from now on

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>No, everybody bitched about the INITIAL implementation of casual, then almost all the issues with casual are fixed
>"""almost"""
no team scrambling
no team switching
no spectating
no adhoc connections
no coaching
can't play with friends in other regions
can't queue for a specific region
can't nominate maps
can't join empty servers
have to wait several minutes between every match
can only pick from two maps during votes
voting system is bugged half the time
can't play with more than five friends
can't choose between new or in progress games
you can get put into games that are about to change maps
matchmaking system struggles to fill servers properly
cheaters can rejoin servers through a friend
and the two big reasons why valve added matchmaking (elo system and badge/stats) don't even fucking work
>Instarespawn servers are common mate?
I'm talking about the waiting for players time.
>Boy,_everyone's_stupid_but_me.jpg
you gonna pretend f2ps aren't dumb as shit?
>So how do you explain that 40% of the playerbase that manages to find the community server button exactly?
More like 10% who are all tradefags and achievement farmers.
>READ THE BLURB AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE
I did you're the one who can't fucking read. Nowhere does it say it excludes players on idle servers. Automated traders != Metal farmers

t. 15 year old epic [lenny bind]er

You don't get to tell me where to go just because you can't handle a pub stomping

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you cannot post if you have lenny binds

Did everyone enjoy operation Memes vs Machines?

What is the best game mode and why is it koth?
>All classes are usefull on both teams at the same time
>A mix of both attack and defending but never at the same time meaning that you can't rely on building a big defense on second/last while some scout or spy backcaps
>Fun last minute sieges
>Comebacks are very possible but pretty hard too pull off making it rewarding to do
>Maps are often some of the best in the game
>Stalemates are impossible

>everything is a meme now

it's important to have at least one item dedicated to your waifu
studies have shown that it gives you actual frame advantage

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>defends 2fort
>jontron meme
Woah, someone who actually sucks cocks!

koth is great, but harvest and maps similar to it aren't fit for it since they're arena maps.
shit like highpass and viaduct is great though, all the space is used and everyone is fighting around the point.

Ruined by that one guy who built a mini sentry.

>playing koth
>about to lose last cap
>get 3 randos to go spy with me and cloak and dagger through the map
>all uncloak at the point
>get point
>the second it's capped we all move to the middle point
>cap that too
>mfw the 4 of us managed to turn the game around through the cheesiest strat possible

>t. publet

doesnt linking the last thread make this a general?
you should stob that

Name a better feeling than killing an unusual-wearing faggot with a medic sucking his dick as a gibus sniper, followed immediately by a schadenfreude.

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Doing the same thing as soldier

>There is also the problem that using these methods will often leave you vunrable to other classes
Yes, you become weaker to one class to be stronger against another class. That's nothing new. If some other class is being a bigger issue to you than the Sniper and swapping loadouts would make you die to them all the time rather than Sniper, why single out Sniper specifically?

GRUG SMASH DUMB WORDS

I feel that sniper is basically the only class that REQUIRES this to win or at the least not lose against him. There is not much heavy can do besides equipping the fists of steel and running to the next point of cover. If the sniper is well defended there is not much scout can do besides bonk to the next point of cover.
If you're playing a heavy and you equip the Natasha you'll stomp scouts without even trying. But equiping something against sniper will often only help you survive him.

>thinks he's good because he spends literally 100% of his time on Skial 2fort+ 24/7 server with trannies and namefags

that but with a machina bodyshot which penetrates him and hits the medic killing them both at the same time
then a conga

user you don't get to shitpost when you're queuing up for the casual shortbus like the rest of the gibus shitters

are you really still defending 2fort?

As long as you keep feeding for that intel I'll keep defending it

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how can community make actual updates without the whole game going open source?

>scout mains
virgins
>soldier mains
chads
>pyro mains
faggots
>demo mains
redpilled
>heavy mains
bros
>engineer mains
based
>medic mains
cucks
>sniper mains
bluepilled
>spy mains
cringe

you seem upset

>I feel that sniper is basically the only class that REQUIRES this to win or at the least not lose against him.
But specific loadouts are only one of the many methods on that list, there's plenty of non-loadout counterplay too.
>If you're playing a heavy and you equip the Natasha you'll stomp scouts without even trying. But equiping something against sniper will often only help you survive him.
Yes because Sniper is Heavy's intended counter. Unlocks honestly shouldn't be allowing Heavy to do anything more than be on par with Sniper.
>If the sniper is well defended there is not much scout can do besides bonk to the next point of cover.
That's called a 1v2/1v3. Of course you're going to be at a disadvantage in such a situation.
However if your teammates are attacking the people defending the Sniper, suddenly the Sniper is not "well defended".
If your teammates are doing nothing, the fault is on your team for having bad teamwork.

epic

You have to be over 18 to play TF2

heavy and soldier
i dont wanna go on vacation

The old devs said there would never be a sniper class in hypothetical TF3 for that very reason.

>reddit filename
now this is epic

>no team scrambling
>no team switching
>no spectating
>no adhoc connections
>no coaching
There are 24/7 servers that have all of these things
>can't play with friends in other regions
yes you can and how often does that even happen anyway?
>and the two big reasons why valve added matchmaking (elo system and badge/stats) don't even fucking work
wrong
and now you're just trying to make this into a post of "MyM is bad" when I'm not even arguing against it
>you gonna pretend f2ps aren't dumb as shit?
why are you pretending the entire tf2 playerbase is F2Ps?
>More like 10% who are all tradefags and achievement farmers.
40% is 10% now? That's some amazing mental gymnastics friendo
>I did you're the one who can't fucking read. Nowhere does it say it excludes players on idle servers.
You: "It excludes players not in servers and official bots, it doesn't exclude metal farming bots"
Me: (shows official blurb pointing out it excludes "bots faking to be actual Steam users ")
You: N-NUH UNH I SAID IT EXCLUDED IDLERS!!!
AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA RETARD

You're lying.

I'm not going to argue. TF3 will never happen anyway.

i don't think anyone would actually care if they removed crits

i think a significant amount of people would subconsciously stop having as much fun and quit

Why hasn't Valved added more medieval mode maps?

youtube.com/watch?v=wrI3-3dyyRI

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No developer from the TF Team has ever said "we wouldn't have had a sniper class in hypothetical TF3."

>I made it up.
okay thanks for the info

nah, mym was a complete shitshow and people still continued to play

Valve's corporate structure leads to it essentially being a giant, multimillion dollar ADHD child with no attention span

It's really the community's fault
just make great maps and valve will put them in the game in an update

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plenty of people quit in mym lol, were you even around for the update, people were declaring they were quitting en masse in the early days of the update when you couldn't even leave a Casual game before it had ended without a leaver penalty

I haven't touched the game since that update I don't know why I keep browsing tf2 threads.

looks like avgn

come play and see how you feel about it now. it's improved in many ways since 2016 and reverted a lot of the shit, you might even like it

>plenty of people quit in mym lol
well the player count has barely dropped since then.
it even managed to rise to 100,000 in recent years, so .
i doubt that random crits being removed will cause a "significant" amount of people to leave.

>it even managed to rise to 100,000 in recent years, so .
That's because people either rejoined after quitting or joined the game as newbies, duh.

Mario_Kart

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good taste, bad choice

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dustbowl mate, piles of fucking gold everywhere

Mercenary doesn't make you a noob. It's the one I have and I started playing 10 years ago.

>not wanting to live in a course where you could hang out with your friends while being surrounded by dated memes
Your loss

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Anyone have that gibus sniper image where he's on fire?

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jesus christ does this guy ever go away

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>doesn't even post the correct Mario_Kart
Fucking disgusting.

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That was fast, thanks, i consider this legitimate art.
>The juxtaposition of the sterotypical gibus wearer, mixed with a clever if incorrect method of solving a problem.

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Patrician tastes

why can you never beat me in a scout or soldier duel? I only have 1000 hours

soul
soulless
Can someone make a dedicated server for it? I haven't played that map in years.

why when people want to buff spy they want to make him so different it's clearly a crutch

so did you guys get tired of shit posting to the point where no one wants to interact with you on /vg/. so you decided to move you general to Yea Forums again?

most people who post in the Yea Forums threads don't post in the general in /vg/, because it's an utter shithole

>it's clearly a crutch
eh?
you misunderstand, these threads are for the people who don't want the identity centric generalfaggotry but want to talk about tf2
these threads have been going on a weekly to daily basis continuously for years and years

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE DON'T REPLY TO POST HERE

Why do I suddenly feel like this thread is full of spy mains

>Plays Pyro/medic
>Absolutely correct assessment about me
Fug.

>pyro
I mean sexual deviants could be anyt-
>medic
wait nevermind yeah you should burn

Bayonetta and snake use weapons like that too. Snakes been doing it since brawl.

I don't main spy but i do realize he's shit against all but the dumbest of the dumb, and thus deserves a buff

Yea Forums why aren't you learning how to stickjump, you're missing out big time for it's one of the most funnest things to improve at
youtube.com/watch?v=xtcdQqZKk-E

yeah but not to that extent
what he needs is enough speed to catch up to the medic, a small ramp-up of the revolver, ambassador at least being changed such that it deals full crits at short range and mini crits at long range without falloff, and more sidegrades
those "buffs" are just literally crutch-tier

demo mains more like BLACKPILLED lol, amirite guyz?

>what he needs is enough speed to catch up to the medic
but sniper can already catch up to the medic from miles away in the safety of his own base, whether or not the medic is aware of his presence

spy will be forever a worse sniper until something is given to spy to help mitigate his long periods of downtime

also, most of what you said about spy needing is in those buffs

Same
I wish I could play sniper instead but my aim is shit

jump maps are dumb and demo jumping is boring.

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cuck

you're boring

Buy sniper gimmicks, 1 scrap each.

>remove scope overlay
>cornershooting
>switching weapons to reload faster
>lowering resolution to shoot better
>stretching 4:3 to 16:9
>crouch spam jump

Oh, goodness, I've felt some amount of cynicism and I couldn't not think about Soundsmith

Why would you use the hot hand? Shit is useless unless you're memeing

I actually believed that Scout mains are six pack Chads. You know, with all of the Social darwinism

>phlog
what do you think he's doing

How fucking bad is he?
Is he worst than the average tf2 youtuber

I would suggest scrap.tf and use the weapon trader. Trade metal for weapons.

How does it feel?

Wasn't actually 16?

You can only headshot on full charge.

based. engie mains are trash

t.Scout

You can filter the image hash on 4chanX.

he advocates friendlyfaggotry and he's a hypocrite (he says to acommodate new players, but most of his videos consist of him and his friends intentionally shitting on new players).
the main meat of his channel is hat stereotypes and what your hat means about your personality, which was a dumb topic in the first place, but enough to hook in as fans the sort of people who read horoscopes
and i vaguely remember hearing he was just kind of a cunt in general

new comic, when?

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I still can't play this gamme after Meet Your Match. ~4K hours for reference.

>Still time wasting Overwatch-esque Queue in system
>Ranking and playertime don't correspond at leading me to be queued in with literal idiots for no playing the game in forever
>3 years later the Spy Class is still 100% useless because of spawn wallhacks working on him
>Skilled weapons like Ambass got nerfed, still a fuckton of literal downgrades from stock in the game like the Classic.
>"Competitive" is literally a fucking joke and has no structure to it at all
>Community servers are a fraction of what they used to be, either filled to the brim, empty as shit, Some furfag community, or a mode too gimmicky with 80 plugins
>Saddest part is soldier's VA can't even do new lines if they ever did a new update and it would all be done by Nolan North

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>>Still time wasting Overwatch-esque Queue in system
It's like a 10 second difference.
>>Saddest part is soldier's VA can't even do new lines
Yeah, it definitely seems you haven't played since 2016 because we got new Soldier voice lines literally last year.

The other things you have said are mostly true, but are just nitpicks that don't affect the overall fact that TF2 is the best multiplayer FPS on the market.
Like for example I'm sure you managed to survive before competitive mode was added, so why are you complaining now that it's useless as a reason for not playing? You got by fine without it before

>tome wasting queue
nigga you fond agame in less than 10 seconds 90% of the time
>randking and playertime
the same was the case before mym
>spawn wallhacks
sort of true, but you're deluding yourself if you think that this is what makes spy useless
>skilled weapons got nerfed
the ambassador is still very good, and if you're headshotting people on the other side of the map, you're not doing your job
>competitive has no structure
valve's comeptitive is shit, no surprise there
>community servers are a fraction of what they used to be
all the servers that disappeared were essentially the same as casual, so it's not that bad
>soldier's va can't do new lines
yes he can, he just cannot scream (conf the tank taunt)

He's already about as fine as you can ever make him, without making him either no longer a Sniper or making him so underpowered nobody wants to use him.

>don't affect the overall fact that TF2 is the best multiplayer FPS
> you're deluding yourself if you think that this is what makes spy useless
Spawn Wallhacks completely make the Spy unusable even in casual valve server and it is 100% counter intuitive to how his gameplay works with no possible way for the player to account for it.
Enemies respawning and for an undetermined time can see 2 of the same character moving around, call it out on mic, or even see you declock halfway across the map where you think you're safe.
Spy already had hard counters like liquids and Pyro just existing, but Spawn wallhacks to gives everyone the ability to spycheck the ENITRE FUCKING MAP without the Spy being able to change up their gameplay to accommodate for the fact that their position and identity have been exposed unbeknownst to them.

Spy was shit as a class before but now he is literally a wasted class that is hard countered BY THE BASIC MECHANICS OF THE FUCKING GAME NOW.

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Don't put that "last thread" shit in the OP you retard

>man dies on the spy class and blames everything but himself

you can't deny that if you're halfway across the map picking up a health kit and someone who spawned 5 seconds ago still has eyes on you and your disguise and there is nothing you can do about it, that that is fair at all.
Spawn wallhacks shouldn't even work on Spies. It would be better if he just didn't have the outline at all. It would be a form of spychecking itself, but it would require line of sight of the Spy while you have the wallhacks on and would therefore be something the player can actually account for, not just be some automatic filter for spies for all classes.

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Yeah except if you actually played the game you'd know nobody ever calls out spies, and nobody fucking spends their time changing classes in spawn to keep the wallhacks on.

If your entire gameplay as spy is to stay near the enemy spawn, then obviously you'll die all the time, but if you actually go out and play, you'll realize that the reason he's bad is because now it's common practice to spycheck, because his decloak makes to much noise or stuff, the spawn wallhacks are very minor.
Now, they should be avoided, but then you need a better way tonindocate to new pmayers where the fighting is actually happening because even yesterday I saw gibuses walk to frontier last then come back 5 minutes later because they never look at arrows, signs or shit.

>Spawn Wallhacks completely make the Spy unusable even in casual valve server
still see people topscore in pubs as spy/rack up killstreaks all the time, that's pretty far from "completely unusable" don't you think?
>Enemies respawning and for an undetermined time can see 2 of the same character moving around, call it out on mic
except this doesn't happen lmao
it's possible in THEORY but in PRACTICE pubs are not coordinated enough for anybody to give a shit about that, nobody talks on mic, while dead they're probably alt-tabbed (I know I am)
It just doesn't happen
if you still played the game you'd know this, but instead you're someone who doesn't know what the game is like now, trying to tell someone who actually plays the game that they're wrong

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i miss my old MARIO_KART server
i logged like 1500 hours on that map alone, made a lot of steam friends that i unfortunately dont really talk to anymore

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for some reason original mario_kart disappeared, you still get the shitty gimmicky remakes but the original only ever turns up in party van revival servers

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I did play just last week, and before the 2nd point at Barnblitz was taken, I was up in the top of the tower getting health and ammo for cloak and then 2 soldiers just rocket jumped instantly up from the 2nd point to my position still with fresh teleporter feet meaning they just wallhacked my location.
And fucking Last on ANY CP or PL is fucking impossible to get into position because of the proximity to spawn any time I decloak a newly spawned enemy makes its their lifes mission to kill me knowing i'm a spy once my position gets exposed by the obvious decloak animation. And you HAVE to be disguised in those sentry infested last, so you don't have a choice.
You're essentially forced to use the C&D on last if you want to try and assassinate an engie nest without issue because stock will run out and you'll get wallhacked while running for resources.
Back in the day you used to be able to go to the stairwell at last on Barnblitz and sorta reorganize before you tried to go in for your saps or stabs, but literally every time I try and go there without C&D I am ended on the spot by spawnhackers.

And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, if I am respawning I am metriculously using that resource to spycheck and talk over the mic to alert everyone and it makes enemy spies moot. This ability when used completely deletes the utility of a spy into the niche of just getting a one-off 3 minute set up C&D kill, because otherwise you have to not only keep track of Line of Sight, Pyros, your Cloak resources, and position/respawning of ammo, but also on all dead peoples respawn meter at the top to when they spawn so you know when to cloak back

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i know, it fucking sucks. the orignal has everything it needs to be fun for fucking forever
>tfw finding the chell porn for the first time
>tfw playing with the sole duty of stopping engies from getting to the roofs and building
>tfw sitting with a cloak and dagger in the music room and knifing anyone who tried to change the music
>tfw getting into heated sniper duels with another player from across the map

I WANT TO GO BACK

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everyone has some typically female/male traits within their personality.

life isn't black and white, except chromosomes ofc

That's cool but I don't really mind

>I was up in the top of the tower getting health and ammo for cloak and then 2 soldiers just rocket jumped instantly up from the 2nd point to my position still with fresh teleporter feet meaning they just wallhacked my location.
Nice confirmation bias
>
And fucking Last on ANY CP or PL is fucking impossible to get into position because of the proximity to spawn any time I decloak a newly spawned enemy makes its their lifes mission to kill me knowing i'm a spy once my position gets exposed by the obvious decloak animation. And you HAVE to be disguised in those sentry infested last, so you don't have a choice.
You're bad at the game, good Spies have no issues with this
>but literally every time I try and go there without C&D I am ended on the spot by spawnhackers.
Because you're a bad Spy, you're giving yourself away
Again, better Spies than you succeed all the time
>And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, if I am respawning I am metriculously using that resource to spycheck and talk over the mic to alert everyone and it makes enemy spies moot.
Cool, nobody else does

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>60k+ players
>Dead

I SAID
DEAD
GAME

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>the easiest fucking class to play in the game, takes absolutely no skill
That's pyro you braindead retard. Soldier is the only class that requires some sort of skill and practice. The other classes are braindead easy and only useful in very specific situations. Meanwhile Soldier is useful in all situations, a team full of scouts is going to inevitably fail, a team full of soldiers has an actual chance of success.

I really like reading all of your posts because something 100x more broken exists, but its clear you never played at high enough levels to understand why or how.

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37000 is more than 10 times the amount of people who live in my city. It's really not a small number and expecially not a number for a "dead game"

you didn't actually reply to any of the actual contentions I have with wallhacks being a 100% massive handicap to Spys and how it curbs their abilities to play against any player with half an attention span or how it ruins playing on last.
You are literally justifying the average casual game just having people no paying that much attention (which is your perception of the norm, but not a defacto aspect) as justification for keeping a feature that breaks a character if some pays any attention.

Would you not agree that it would be better if the wallhack didn't work on enemy spies at all, because i can list off a myriad of situations that are beyond control of the player in question's abilities to account for
>Spawncamping as spy or decloaking in the vicinity of spawn are death sentences
>Sitting decloaked out of Line of Sight to regen some Cloak
>Being anywhere at last while disguised
>Using YER to get a kill being silent but now 100x more visible.
>being decloaked at all in a place that is out of position for a normal enemy like collecting resources for your plan.

I'd play goldrush any day over fucking badwater

remove sniper, demo, and spy and the game would be 1000x better

>Soldier is the only class that requires some sort of skill and practice.
shut the fuck up, retard.

>You are literally justifying the average casual game just having people no paying that much attention (which is your perception of the norm, but not a defacto aspect) as justification for keeping a feature that breaks a character if some pays any attention.
No I'm not justifying it you retard, I'm saying that it's a negative but it's a small one.

Quit it with the imaginary scenario in your head where I'm some Valve employee you're complaining to while the Valve employee defends the feature. I'm not saying the wallhacks were good, it would be better if they never existed.
BUT that does not mean that you can go ahead and say Spy is "completely unusable even in casual valve server", because Spy players who aren't shit like you do just fucking fine in Valve servers all the time, they top the scoreboard and rack up killstreaks, which is the opposite of "completely unusable". I can definitively say that as a person who still constantly plays. You cannot.

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It's Yea Forums we're talking about.
March 22nd was pretty much all you need.

>engineer buildings never die
>both teams stare at each other while jacking their mechanical aimbots off with a wrench
yay fun!!

yeah i know right, he forgot demoman.

it unironically would be if you removed the ability to repair at that point
sounds like an interesting gamemode to me

exactly!

then you've made engineer useless, which is roughly equivalent to just removing him too
and since you removed sniper/spy/stickytraps, there's no counter to Heavy's 450HP bulk

so your entire tf2 is heavy+medic combos walking around totally unopposed holding down their M1 buttons and looking in the rough direction of the enemy team, what a great game

maybe you should just choke on it
why does anyone who want to change shit give some of the most retarded changes

>ywn impregnate a russian psycho who fights naked, covered in honey
>ywn marry into the Heavys family
Why continue to exist?

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>Consistently top 10 most played game on steam.
>Gee guys, stop playin this dead game! Stop having fun!

I would like to state that the heavy class is not countered by those things unless the man playing him is of questionable intelligence. he is dealt with by focus fire from 3 or more players.

>I would like to state that the heavy class is not countered by those things unless the man playing him is of questionable intelligence
lots of players are, we're talking about changes to the whole game here
>he is dealt with by focus fire from 3 or more players
while the enemy team's 3 players just look the other way and do nothing i suppose

anyone who suggests outright removing any class/weapon is just instantly a retard in my book

remove medics crossbow, the game was better without it.

did they patch the turbine bug? i can't seem to do it now

>searching casual for 20 minutes

something is fucked up or why i can't find shit?

It was fine in 2012 and syringes were still viable then. they just need to take it back to then

Every Friday the Party Van throws it into rotation nigha

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youtube.com/watch?v=3oO7xEGhtgY