So, we have gameplay screens

Lol gun

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Mementos they say

I don't know what this is based off of, but it looks like shit.
>dude red lmao

likely the battlefield version of the stage

beneath the mask remix is utter trash

twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1118319958180515840

JOKER RELEASES TOMORROW

OH FUCK
BABYBABYBABYBABYBABY IS IN THE GAME
I'M SO HAPPY

>That victory screen
Very nice

youtube.com/watch?v=FmuTGcbu4Kc
WEW

>REACH OUT TO THE TRUTH IS IN

THANK FUCKING CHRIST

Avengers from 50 Universes help fight thanos, Captain marvel kills thanos and captain america gets Thor's old hammer

based

I was hoping it would have a stage gimmick like Midgar's summons but with Personas or demons

Watch the trailer it oes have gimmicks

>Gun

Chief and Dante a possibility

Does it release at midnight?

>Another fucking counter

lmao nice toy like shader, nintenddies

Whole reveal right here

youtube.com/watch?v=W4PG9qx9x2

I think you have to use it to charge your persona meter, so like a cross between a counter and Cloud's limit charge

Did "jane" refer to "plain jane" with his high school outfit?
That would be pretty funny.

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=W4PG9qx9x2s

>BABYBABYBABYBABYBABY
I hope we can pick the stage skin

Where's Persona 5 on the Switch?

absolutely fucking lazy holy shit
>only Arsene

on the Youtube app

Based. Source?

Probably Ann? I dunno. Maybe so. Maybe it was a scrapped idea to have all the thieves as palette swaps or something.

OMG BANJO CONFIRMED

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>Morgana is present
ERDRICK LEAK CONFIRMED BROS.
FUCK SORA
FUCK STEVE
AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL
KIMI GA YO!

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>no jack frost
gay

mementos having p3/4 aesthetic changes saved this shithole stage

No seriously. Why are we getting a Persona 5 rep on Smash if we aren't getting the game? Marketing for a PS4 game?

wow that looks awful outside of the stylized artstyle

>Marketing for a PS4 game?
You get PQ2 to justify him also Sakurai likes Sony enough to make free publicity for them

WAIT WHAT? WHAT LEAK?

Because it's cool

based

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Morgana looks like a bad doll but I really do like the Joker render

I wonder if Morgana is going to do voice lines in battle like in the game

you can by specifying the music that you want to play

Got it, cuck fetish. I'm selling my Switch if Persona 5 isn't released there.

DOES THAT MEAN MIDNIGHT

Because he's a cool character from a cool and popular series, theres no other reason necessary anymore you Nintendo cope fiends. Fucking port beggars are scum

Advertising the new Etrian Odyssey game. Why do you think we also get stuff like Door-kun and Chad Ziodynecock Narukami as mii costumes and associated stages?

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>no Persona 1 colors
JUST

And sonyfags say they don't invade threads. And I doubt you have a switch.

>Neutral B is Dante's Gunslinger as a stance
wahoo bing cuhrayzee pizza time

looking cool joker

>selling your system because a game isnt there
Was it autism?

>TH-THEY'LL NEVER ADD REALISTIC GUNS TO SMASH

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I do have a Switch. No PS4.

Stylish.

>keeping a console because of Smash Bros DLCs. Is it just plain brain damage?

>dude he reps smt they have a long history with nintendo he's not a literal who compared to the other third parties I swear

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>A fucking TT-30

>No Deadline.

Y'all are stupid.

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You mean like Ryu advertised SFV? Or Snake advertising MGS4?

Sure you do.

>Seriously using Ryu as an example when SFII was one of the best selling SNES games.

but it said jack frost would appear with a skill
where's jack frost user?

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It does still apply because people would be buying sfv now, not sf2

He's in

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Both Ryu and Snake have a long history on Nintendo consoles. Bayonetta didn't and her games ended up ported. I would honestly prefer P5 than a fucking DLC character from that game for a game that I don't even play anymore.

Ryu doesn't even look like his SFV self and has a move from SF4.

Oh shit
ERADICATED
OBLITERATED
A N N I H I L A T E D

What you want me to show you my receip?

sure dude

Better have Persona 1 & 2 tracks thrown in there too. Hoping for SMT IF goods thrown in there seeing how it actually got some push in Persona 5 (and being the prequel to Persona and all)

Yeah because you totally can't fake that.

>tfw can't overwrite this pain tearing me apart

Wow, it's almost like Smash Bros is supposed to look like that. Next you'll complain about Yarn Yoshi looking like yarn or Spiderman looking like something from a comic book.

translation?

>or Spiderman looking like something from a comic book.
But the ps4 game doesn't.

Oh looking cool Joker!

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iirc tokarevs are really common among jap criminals

Let a thin nigga awake
Bottom Text

Really glad he's released so we can move onto the next character. I assume a reveal by next month to coincide with a July release if they want to keep on schedule?

>stage changes with the music
Sick.

Chances are they'll reveal and release the character during the E3 direct.
That seems like a Nintendo thing to do

At least p3 and p4 got some recognition, pretty based

>p1/p2 fags unironically believed they'd get some too

Lmaoing@yourlife

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>no The Almighty
>no A New World Fool
>no non-Persona SMT tracks
>Time To Make History instead
Oh well. Dibs on purple Joker by the way.

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first of all, fuck every single braindead moron who thought there would be a female alt.

joker looks amazing and i can't wait to play him tomorrow. fuck yeah

also this. not even keeper of lust or anything. wasted fucking opportunity.

Also these youtube.com/watch?v=nbyJ1zh4brg

Unless they make his buffed normals way stronger when he summons his persona I'm not touching this shit.
I'm talking Zappa's Raoh summon tier buffing.

P1/2 Might as well just be SMT titles. Persona didn't become somewhat distinctly different in design philosophy until 3, really.

You lived to see the day Kirby using a real gun in a Nintendo game.

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It becomes a Counter AND a reflect after you summon your persona.

So they can have guns? Why doesn't Snake have a gun?

So what are these supposed to be based on?
My first thought was pic related, but they wouldn't actually reference Persona 1, would they?

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back to your containment thread, faggot

His purple, red, blue, and yellow alts are definitely themed after P1-4.

He uses a gun when he copies Bayonetta or K. Rool (actually the Star Fox characters technically count too, which predates both characters)

I don't know why this is suddenly a new joke when it's technically been around since the first smash bros

Because his moveset was made over a decade ago when Nintendo was more strict about this stuff

and that's not even taking into account the ray gun item

joker please don't give the squids any ideas

No user.... YOUR stupid

Because it's a realistic gun.

He said real gun, no alien lasers or magic

What did the leak say about Mona?

I hope you can somehow toggle the JP voices for Joker and the squad. The english VA is pretty mediocre.

Nothing you say can take him out the game
Stay mad forever

HE’S GOT A REAAAL GUN

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Bayoneta's guns are real guns and fire real bullets. I really don't know where this misconception of her guns firing magic bullets came from. The only magic is that she never runs out.

where are the colors? i wanna see

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Sutando powah

This just makes me want information about the next DLC character.
There could have at least been a Jack Frost Mii costume as a consolation prize.

It doesn't have normal gun colors. Like those Nerf ones that are blue with an orange cap. Meanwhile it is a normal gun witha move called Gun.

I want a Bamco rep.

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ASSBLASTED
-ResetEra gay trannies
-Fujoshis
-Homos
-Pancakes
-Millennial tantrum of Persona 5 (PS3, PS4) portbegging not on PC, Switch, 3DS, WiiU.

NO AKECHI HAHAHAHA, GOOD YA RIDDANCE CUNT.

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but they don't LOOK like real guns

>Never played Bayonetta

Bayonetta’s guns are magic, and really colorful and pimped out for that matter. Joker just has a normal, real gun.

In awe that they gave him CPS3 JoJo stands. All he needed was TANDEM or even STAND RUSH from ASB and he'd be gold.
Also lmaooo at him getting Xrd Raven's old excitement meter. Arsene ain't getting that much play.
Gun might be a stance move since he transitioned into fucking RAINSTORM all of a sudden rip Dante

I'm still salty that Life Will Change didn't make the cut

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Agressively cursed image. Kirby has actual eyes.

>Mass Destruction is in Smash
Holy fuck I am literally CUMMING

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Arsene kinda looks like Beelzebumon.

Are they new models or P5 models ported and textured in Smash artstyle?

You've actually never played Bayonetta then... She wields real-ass 19-11's in the first chapters of both games, then just gets her magical guns later. They're magical only in that they allow her to use them to summon Wicked Weaves. They fire real bullets. In cutscenes (and verse clears with demons), you see the bullets in slowmo. They're just bullets.

Just wait until next smash game bro

Nintendo likes to cuck themselves

>Implying Joker with the Akechi alt isn't gonna 100% be my secondary.

Persona isn’t Shin Megami Tensei. Also they already have cameos for like 8 characters for a guest series.

Don-chan for Smash

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Persona 5 is a PS3 game ported to PS4. PS4 has no exclusive main Persona game, if anything, Nintendo got Persona Q2 3DS the better deal and SMT5 Switch.

What a sexy ass stage

Nintendo isn’t competing with anyone.

I don’t know why you can’t comprehend this after so long.

Bump, fuck this trash movie

feels bad man
at least we got rivers in the desert

It's not a real gun though, you secondary.

>no akechi
yeah he got 2 fucking alts instead

Technically jokers gun is a toy that shoots cognitive bullets when in a palace

Must be hard being a smtard right now.

HE USED HIS PERSONA ON HIS MODEL GUN
NOW IT’S A REALLL GUN
HE’S GOT A REAL GUN ANOOON

damn, I was hoping that we would get to see something more interesting like the living tribunal

I'm always hard.

Bayo has magic guns, K-Rool has a cartoon blunderbuss, Joker have a Tokarev TT-30

His Purse Owner magic makes the gun real though, it's only an airsoft when his power is off.

>Bayoneta's guns are real guns and fire real bullets. I really don't know where this misconception of her guns firing magic bullets came from. The only magic is that she never runs out.
user, there's a fucking crystal in the place where the cylinder should be, in Smash magic circles appear when she shoots them, and as you pointed out, she never reloads, not to mention their appearance, so how in the fuck can you consider them real guns, what kind of crazy logic you had to adopt to look at pic related and say "yeah these are real guns"?

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Is the stage gonna be tourney legal?

I'm really disappointed. They just tweaked the KO Punch and Limit Break. The laziest way they could've implemented a Persona. It doesn't even become a move. The move that replaces your charge is a COUNTER. Apparently your super phase is so underwhelming that you'll need one (just kidding, it was less work to copy a Palutena move, and a Pit move for his recovery). The Persona doesnt even move, it's intangible, zero Heritage for the Future shit, zero P3Arena shit.

She never reloads when she uses normal guns in Bayonetta either. Only in cutscenes.

We'd need to see how the Stage Hazards Off stage is. I think the main issue would be the right platform as it was solid from below too but that might not appear. There's also the small ledge at the middle which a lot of people can get pissy about.

Go play Raven it's literally the same move but tied to the Persona summon and proper counters so it's not completely useless like it was on release.

>joker literally has a regular gun

Holy shit, it just keeps getting more likely.

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>gameplay screens
>for a fucking DLC character

What the fuck is wrong with this board

Raven from Guilty Gear I forgot to say

P1 and 2 got representation with his alternate colors, which is minor, but it's not nothing.

its essentially real in a palace, chill

Purple is Naoya from Persona 1, and red is for Tatsuya from P2

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It's not a real gun nerds, it's a model gun that only works because people think it's a real gun

That's not the fucking point. The point is that ninty is fine with making guns that look like actual fucking guns.

Fox/Falco's gun shoots lasers, something that could just sting and not leave a mark if need be.
Snake, who is known to use firearms, only used "comical" firearms like rocket launchers in Smash because guns that fire bullets were too mature. His grenades/c4 are pretty much just bombs, so they're okay.
Bayonetta was a bit of a surprise, considering she uses guns that fire bullets. She got to use her guns that fire bullets, and they acted like guns that fire bullets, but they looked fantastical, like no real gun would look like.
Now comes Joker, straight up pulling a TT-33 out to shoot Mario in the face. It's just a little jarring. Awesome, but jarring.

Ha! I wish.

Cause Sakurai likes Persona 5? You stupid ignorant fuck?

the website go to his fighter page and click on his render

>looks like a real gun
>fires like a real gun
>i-i-it's not a gun!!1
You are a COMPLETE retard

Yes
No, I keep my console for all the other games. Are you retarded?

It fits with the Purple (P1), RedBlack (P2IS/EP, P5), Blue (P3) and Yellow (P4) schemes though.

So is P5 going to be on the Switch now?

I mean, in universe Joker never uses a real gun
He also never uses a grapple hook, so whatever

dat anne

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joker looks broken

>Makoto's big ass has been retconned
>Anne's is bigger

Fucking rip makotofags

The Joker model leak in April 2nd was leaked the same day of Persona 5 Switch, Link to the Past Switch and Metroid Prime Switch Collection, so wait for more news on the other shit. Don't get your hopes up, but god damn do I want LttP Switch if it's real.

Can't decide if I like these models more than the original ones.
I like the more defined art in these personally, but there's also something about the materials that looks off, I think it may be smash's lighting engine

WHITE GIRL AINT GOT NO ASS

Anne's butt is perfect

I thought so too but there are things I can see being very easy to exploit early on
First
>Rebellion Guard seems to have some end lag, so it wont be easy to spam and you should be able to grab him out of it like with all counters
>Gun has hitstun but it seems similarly easy to dodge like bayonetta's or falco's
>Grapple hook only goes up? So it wont be easy for him to cross screen grab you
>Wings of Rebellion have i frames but if you manage to get to the ground faster than Joker, it can be punishable since the iframes are only in the beginning it seems
I play WFT so I can see tons of punish potential, as well as ways to exploit a neutral game.
I think Joker will be a bit like Bayo or Cloud were at launch: easily broken against anyone who didnt bother to figure out what they do, but early players will spam the same shit every time so it's easy to predict
Plus it's not like Joker has the sheer hitbox size of Ike's nair

I only play Smash casually, but won't Makarakarn be a huge nuisance against characters like the Belmonts?

>Burn My Dread (intro or final battle version) isn't in
Welp that was a ruined orgasm

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Nah
All counters are grabbed out of, the main question is if you can bait a makarn out
The way I see it:
>throw any projectile that isnt fire
>dodge the reflected projectile pre-emptively,
>grab and punish

Yeah, I wish we got more songs too. I really wanted the Q songs as well like Maze of Life.

His most interesting move is the gun. It's not comparable to Falco or Bayonetta in that he seems able to secure his safety as he fires the move. The biggest balancer to projectiles is recovery, which a Joker player might be able to very effectively minimize. Especially since it seems able to fire in multiple directions.

The one thing I'm looking forward to is some hacker backporting Joker into Brawl

Definitely
The biggest thing for me is the hitstun honestly
A gun that can be fired quickly, while moving, with hitstun?
You're gonna see some DMC type shit with that

What ass?

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They look really strange
I think it's the lighting, that and the fact that Makoto and Ann had to have their assets shaved down for the E rating

All persona girls are bony skellingtons, that's big by their standards

They're just bony asian girls

palutena is thicker than either of them so that excuse doesn't work

>All of them look worse except Haru

BEST GIRL

Prelim Joker framedata
Jab: Frame 4
Dtilt: Frame 8
Utilt: Frame 8
Ftilt: NA

Nair: NA (in the video but I can't tell when it starts, seems frame 10 ish)
Fair: Frame 8
Uair: Frame 5
Bair: NA
Dair: Frame ~12/13

Fsmash: Frame 15~16
Dsmash/Usmash: NA (dsmash is in the video but there's a charge so I don't know how to time it)
His normals seem to have identical frame data even with Arsen, but have additional hitboxes that may spawn sooner than Joker's attack like with his nair.

Neutral B: Gun fires frame 12, same frame data with Arsen
Side B: (No Arsen) ~frame 13, with Arsen is frame ~15-17 or so.
Down B: (No Arsen) Armor begins frame 3, is the same with Arsen as he'll be invuln starting frame 3 and will counter/reflect anything that hits him.
Up B: Grappling Hook is frame 20. Wings of Rebellion seems invincible on startup.

In conclusion Joker is fast as FUCK but has little range and medium kill power without Arsen, with Arsen he's probably on par with Roy in terms of rushdown power. Also to note he's very small, only a tiny bit taller than Little Mac so expect him to low profile some projectiles with his dash.

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He has multiple follow ups for Gun but I think they're limited to just 2 unless you're just pressing neutral B. A good Joker will definitely have to learn how to time the follow ups so they don't get blown up.

It's cute and perfect

But wait, there's more

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Yeah, but they actually have curves in P5 though.

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This is my color, no one else is allowed to use it, okay?

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Ass is supposed to provide some cushioning

You might as well pelvic thrust a brink wall with an ass like that like jesus

Anne's butt is cute and nicely shaped and I want to hold it forever

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>Captain marvel kills thanos
Dropped. Thanks for $12.

>the circles change into clocks in the P3 variant
Bravo soccerguy

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Wasn't this supposed to be released in like March or something?

So how broken does Joker seem to be?
>can evade while shooting
>command grab grapple
>super armor
>Palu's Down B
>Limit Break on steroids

Balance concerns and Sakurai also personally doesn't like guns. There was also a small scare about ratings for the ESRB, but those were dismissed with later games where they just fucking asked if they would be an issue. Guns only raise ratings if they are shown causing actual real depictions of gun violence. Which would have removed the cartoon violence tag. Their depiction obviously has kept this tag, instead of bumping them up to just the general violence tag and moving them to T.

no. they said April a long time ago

He's looking like he will be fairly strong. Looks like he might be plenty vulnerable off stage without Arsene though.

Mementos is probably the worst choice for a stage
>Captain Marvel kills thanos

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so he's like a shiek. I wonder what can break his down B charge

He's fast but pretty weak without Arsene, which requires him to get hit to build up fast. Probably not top tier, he's a straight upgrade from Sheik though.

>Nice
Haru, Ryuji, Morgana, Yusuke

>Eh? Not good or bad(?)
Makoto

>F
Ann's ass

>Underworld
Futaba has no model

We saw him take the weakest version of Peach's Fsmash and K. Rool's Ftilt but I imagine just outright eating a charged smash attack will break it, worse case you can just grab him for free.

Mid-tier at best because he requires effort to actually work properly, and everyone in the Smash community as is would prefer to go full unga bunga F. Air with the likes of Sheik, Lucina, and Wolf all day. If you actually put the effort in with him, you will straight face-rape like half the characters in the game and people will bitch that your shit is P2W. Ganbatte, user-chan.

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>Limit Break on steroids
Limit break and Deep Breathing both change the character stats significantly.
Arsene seems to mostly change hitboxes and attacks rather than being a stat change.

wtf im a fujo and im happy shukita gets to be on the big screen

>Nintendo chose characters
Sakurai lied again, look at the dedication here

>>can evade while shooting
Limited and probably predictable follow ups
>>command grab grapple
Done from a really vertical angle so usage is limited
>>super armor
Can't do anything during those
>>Palu's Down B
Locked behind Persona
>>Limit Break on steroids
Not really. It's Xrd Raven's excitement meter with a small hitbox after letting it go. Joker seems to gain very little meter being hit normally and and dying kills your charge. Plus unlike Limit Break it doesn't charge your meter just but holding it.

You sleep on Limit Break and probably deep breathing. WFT is only not played because she is middling in general kill power. Cloud is competitive, and Limit was given a time limit for a reason.

>that backdrop
>Phantom Thieves show up
>trains
>simple enough not to set off autistic competitivefags when you put it in no hazards rotation
>changes to yellow & TVs when IT’S TIME TO MAKE HISTORY YEAHHHH
It ain’t Sae’s Palace, but shit, it’s better than the boring-ass broken subway cave I thought we would’ve gotten if Mementos was a stage.

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fuck forgot pic

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also this

Does this mean that Doomslayer has become more likely? Because holy shit if it does...

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we got Gun Kirby

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Can't wait till someone mods away the hats and it's just kirby with a gun

If the kill is confirmed during all-out attack, it’ll instantly change to result screen

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speculation is fun but everyone should remember that nobody fucking knows shit and is almost always wrong

East coast here. Is he coming in 5 minutes?

FUCK OFF

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East asian here its already 4/17

source?

aren't updates around 2pm like PSN?

Fuck Captain marvel.
If that's how they legit end it, with her getting the kill, I'm dropping the MCU.

PS, still not getting the fighter pack, no plans to pick up Joker.

>You sleep on Limit Break and probably deep breathing
Everyone sleeps on WFT's booty game

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>Bayonetta kicking Simon and Richter's asses
>summons Gomorrah
>just as they're about to be chomped, Gomorrah is tugged back towards the portal
>starts screaming in pain and agony as it's dragged back in
>a figure jumps out of the portal
>a green foot steps into view
>a Super Shotgun is loaded
>BFG Division plays
>"Doom Slayer Rips and Tears!"

>inb4 ">Doom Slayer"
Well, Bethesda thinks otherwise right now. But I could see his classic skin being an alt no doubt.

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>doesn't use Personas for attacks
>only uses Arsene
>requires a gauge to summon
>another character with a counter
What a disappointment

Dope, but, uh, why's it gotta be so small? Midgar and Clocktower are also tiny little stages.

for sure. even the Atlus Brand Manager said Sakurai was a huge fanboy of P5.

>Literally just make the menu the stage
lmao

They didn’t want to pay Kaneko royalties

no fucking way. people said it should be this way and the madman actually did it. fucking amazing

Black Sakurai as a stage

Morgana is there just to tell him to go to sleep.

its a shame how many people dont fully understand how good Deep Breathing is.

FUCKIONG KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
HESUS FUCK

>no Futaba

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Do we know what the spirit battles are like? if not, let me speculate

>Morgana
Isabelle (as Morgana) with Chrom (as Zorro)
Kapp'n occasionally appears to help Morgana
Mementos

>Ryuji
Captain Falcon (as Ryuji) with King K Rool (as Captain Kidd)
Find Mii

>Ann
Zero Suit (as Ann) with Daisy (as Carmen)
Peach's castle

>Yusuke
Fox (as Yusuke) with Ryu (as Goemon)
Dracula's Castle

>Makoto
Sheik (as Makoto) with Wario (as Johanna)
Wario's only move is Bike
Wily Castle

>Futaba
Inkling (as Futaba)
Willy Capsule periodically appears to help Futaba
Mushroomy Kingdom (omega)

>Haru
Lucina (as Haru) with Peach (as Milady)
Lylat Cruise

>Akechi
Joker (with Akechi alt) with Link (as Robinhood)
Pirate Ship

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Cool stuff really!
But what about the "Female Joker" leak that everyone keeps talking about?

Weeb