Project M is being revived

P+ has nearly 3000+ supporters and it's only in beta.

No one outside the very core PM crowd knows about P+ and even among those that do its a very split issue. I'm one of them and I hate P+ myself.

Hacking the switch isn't as easy/safe/reliable and unlike the Wii people invested into their accounts/systems digitally and pay for online and won't want to run the risk of losing all that for one mod.

I love PM but it's over, get over it.

>3,000
About 500 times that many people are interested in competitive Ultimate

IGGERS

Just release Knuckles already, that would revive so much interest immediately

The effort you guys go to create a “balanced” competitive platform fighter is funny

>supporters
I'm sorry, download numbers aren't supporters. I downloaded it and I definitely don't support it. I just want to steal a few fixes.

How am I only just hearing about this? I loved PM, even went to tournaments for that shit. What's wrong with P+?

Nothing really, I for one love the changes to Bowser, but the mod team is acting like Nintendo is constantly on their ass so they withheld advertising on it. As opposed to the original PM dev team which made a big video after every update

Nothing. This is the changelog of the current beta.
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Name 3 people who developed both PM and Icons

Fuck off

>Melee mod
>replaces the background in the victory screen with a featureless black background
>reverts all of falco's moves and animations back to being a copies of fox
>reverts all melee characters back to their Melee movesets instead of balancing around their current moves
>remodels/retextures melee characters back to how they looked in melee
I'll never respect Melee mods that do this shit.

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Kind of buggy, gimped some characters into the ground, will likely just serve to split the already small PM scene.

So nothing that applies to Project M?

>Project M is being revived
The Ultimate honeymoon's over, folks. Within a year, it's back to Meleefag dominance.

damn 3000 supporters thats definitely comparable to ultimate LMAO

>All those DK nerfs
>Fucking ICE CLIMBER nerfs
Have the devs explained their reasoning for this? Also, when the hell are we going to have a dev team with the balls to rework or change Jigglypuff's Up-B?

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Project M was always trash

>we're top players, we know better.

Project M made every other smash unplayable for me because everyone just feels better in it.

DK was a fucking broken character in 3.6. He's really basic.

It's more like, oh I heard Lunchables or Switch saying it's jank

Yeah, more or less that.

I wish PM never lost it's momentum. I don't think the scene will ever be the same again.

The PM hype train was literally better than any other hype train of any smash game, including ultimate.

>Remove's bayonet hitbox on wolf
it's shit

>nothing
Literally ALL of those things besides the costume reversion happened, and even then they added them as alt costumes (which look awkward as fuck)

>Literally ALL of those things
>backround replaced with featureless black backround
wrong.
>reverts all of falco's moves and animations back to being a copies of fox
Also wrong, also I doubt you're even a brawl/4/ult falco main.
>reverts all melee characters back to their Melee movesets instead of balancing around their current moves
Also wrong, most melee characters are a combination of both.
>remodels/retextures melee characters back to how they looked in melee
These are literally optional.

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So they're wasting their time making a mod for competitive play that cant be played at any tourney that Nintendo sponsors?

>>>replaces the background in the victory screen with a featureless black background
This is the one thing I don't get, why do people always get choose the boring black background in their victory screens? Even during 4 modding, people were using that all the time, along with hideous stage mods

Because it's a more fun game than ultimate.

More aesthetically appealing than bland desert.

But who's it for?
The competitive scene is only in it for money and no money means no scene since none of them can run a successful scene without sponsors.

>The competitive scene is only in it for money
you think anyone is getting real money from these scenes that arent top 5 players in the world? Its more a passion thing than a livelihood for the vast majority of all fightan competitors

We recently found out Melee was a money thing since they all lost their shit that Evo dropped them.

Who gives a shit. They won't add Gex to either so they're not worth playing.

Fact! PM is garbage compared to Ultimate

completely false

Go take a bath Smelee

People like me who like to play fun videogames.

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1v1 me Ultimate fag, PM is the best Smash beside Slap

>Play Ultimate
>All of my mains from PM are boring as shit, glued to the floor, and have extremely basic bread and butter movesets.
Boring.

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I thought PM shut down due to a C&D

Can't you just port the assets from ultimate to brawl?

They won’t because ecelebs and tourney organizers care more about money than good Smash

>says I'm wrong
>shows me a featureless black background
pic related
>reverts all of falco's moves and animations back to being a copies of fox
This is what happened brainlette, though they left one or two moves, they near completely reverted it back.
>Also wrong, most melee characters are a combination of both.
Modern animations =/= modern moves. Mario is the most agregious example, but I could go into more detail
>These are literally optional.
I said that, and said they still pandered and they still look awkward as fuck

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then why do Smash tourneys still fit in Rivals, 64 and Brawl?

Take a bath Smelee and quit playing in the Arby's dumpster!

reverting falco is the best thing they ever did because all of his changes to make him "different" just make him worse and clunky

>Featureless black backround.
The ground is not black and lights up.
>This is what happened brainlette, though they left one or two moves, they near completely reverted it back.
If he was completely reverted he wouldn't be an entire tier behind fox.
>Modern animations =/= modern moves. Mario is the most agregious example, but I could go into more detail
Are you unironically defending FLUDD over mario's down-b?

I don't play melee

Like who?
I swear to fucking god if you're Lucario user
He's right, but literally only for Lucario. Shit like Mewtwo acting out of teleport was retarded as fuck, and clusterfuck Zelda who was barely better than the original isn't better than updated Zelda whose much better with ONE (1) move change and frame data and damage buffs

Ike is my main main, but I also main Doctor Mario, Lucario (ding ding ding), Ness, and Lucas.

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>The ground is not black and lights up.
I wasn's talking about the ground, but I see your point now. the fact that it's black instead of an actual backdrop like Ultimate, 4, or even Brawl is still fucking stupid though. They went out of their way to remove personality from a game
>If he was completely reverted he wouldn't be an entire tier behind fox.
I'm talking about MOVES and you know it. I don't want five fucking kicks, I want cool beak twirl. I don't want retarded leg kick, I want cool feather swipe. USE HIS FEATURES. Falco's ENTIRE personality is a skilled flier, like Fox, but one who acts cocky doesn't want to be seen as second fiddle to him any way. His Melee moveset literally flies in the face of his character. It was excusable because he was last minute, but TURNING IT BACK BECAUSE "MUH MELEE" SHOWS NO RESPECT FOR THE CHARACTER.
>Are you unironically defending FLUDD over mario's down-b?
>Am i defending Smash adhoc due to moveset limits and a model swapped, rushed game over an actual reference with much more utility
come the fuck on, it isn't even a Galaxy reference anymore because thy removed the Star Bit graphics

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What do I win?

Doc feels fucking amazing in Ultimate fuck off

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>Ike
I only remember jumping out of Side B and a damaging taunt. Is that really much more interesting?
>Doc
YOU PREFER A COSTUME OVER AN ACTUAL CHARACTER?
> Ness
What? Nothing is gone but DJC
>Lucas
And THIS is where I hard disagree famalam.
Boost to win Lucas wasn't interesting in the slightest, and it made his gameplan predictable and boring.
Ultimate Lucas also has an option PM Lucas doesn't in Snake Sliding which I like a bit more than DJC desu

Also >5 mains

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To be fair Nintendo will probably have to take action because of Square. Remember they didn't give a shit about PM until Cloud was added to Smash.

Movesets have their own identity.
Falcos playstyle in melee was unintended but it shaped the character.

well if NX has Geno and Goku it will be beter

There are over 300 people who've supported your mom and I don't wanna fuck with her either.

falco's melee playstyle was actually very intended. He played vertically to emphasize his stat/property changes. It's a huge reason why the shine change was dumb as fuck

>IT shaped the character
No, no, and fuck no. Smash is not making it's own version of character, it's making faithful recreations. The official team is already put of fucking blast for not updating Samus or Sonic, so I'm doing the same here.
The playstyle could have been kept while keeping his unique moves, it just wouldn't have been EXACTLY like Melee, but even though they say that's not what they were going for, that's exactly what they were going for

>I only remember jumping out of Side B and a damaging taunt. Is that really much more interesting?
He can also grab out of side-b, walljump out of side-b, etc. Also has better momemtum on all of his attacks which ultimate lacks.
>Doc
Mario with PM tech is just more fun, though this one one of the less egregious characters. Also far better recovery.
>Ness
Side-B is far worse in the air due to momentum things, you can't jump out of your down-b making it worthless for anything other than gaining health from projectiles but it leaves you open in the air, no double jump cancel, character just feels like shit to move around in, etc.
>Lucas
Just far more satisfying to move around in and combo with.

>why shine change was dumb
maybe, just maybe, it was because he stopped being a stat change of Fox and started to be his own character, so they could actually take liberties on how he played and what moves did what?

>I wasn's talking about the ground, but I see your point now. the fact that it's black instead of an actual backdrop like Ultimate, 4, or even Brawl is still fucking stupid though. They went out of their way to remove personality from a game
Nigger, Brawl's background was this ugly fucking desert test map, PM's is far more stylish.
>I'm talking about MOVES and you know it. I don't want five fucking kicks, I want cool beak twirl. I don't want retarded leg kick, I want cool feather swipe.
How about you label what fucking normals you're talking about when you say this shit, you sound like an autistic child and I have no idea what "cool feather swipe" is even supposed to be.
>USE HIS FEATURES. Falco's ENTIRE personality is a skilled flier, like Fox, but one who acts cocky doesn't want to be seen as second fiddle to him any way. His Melee moveset literally flies in the face of his character. It was excusable because he was last minute, but TURNING IT BACK BECAUSE "MUH MELEE" SHOWS NO RESPECT FOR THE CHARACTER.
I didn't need to hear your fanfiction, my guy. Falco is stylish and skilled. Melee falco is legendarily stylish and requires technique to play. Brawl Falco is a boring, easy zoner who moves like a snail. PM Falco is a synthesis of the two who takes the best of both worlds (I.E. shit that actually matters like DACUS which actually made the character more stylish/fun instead of just making his tools shittier for the sake of graphical diversity).
>>Am i defending Smash adhoc due to moveset limits and a model swapped, rushed game over an actual reference with much more utility
>come the fuck on, it isn't even a Galaxy reference anymore because thy removed the Star Bit graphics
Have you hardline smashtards ever stopped to consider that some people prefer their character to be fun to play over simply being a lame vehicle for epic references?

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Of course not. The only way to get "project nx" (absolutely trash name btw) to work would mean RCMing your switch, and stinkies are LOYAL nintendo fans who would never do something terrible like hack their console, not to mention they'd have to get their hands on an early switch to do so in the first place

Imagine actually believing this

Project M forced everything to be Melee instead of actually improving Brawl

Brawl Minus is the true upgrade

falcon would like a word with you

Shit this thing flopped so fucking badly it's hilarious

Project M for smash 4 didn’t happen

What makes you think it will here, especially after Melee fags like Mang0 are playing Ultimate anyway

>competitive Ultimate

lol

well then they failed because he is both worse as a character and less satisfying to play with shine being the highlight since it's both clunky as fuck and straight up worse than fox/wolf

turning Brawl into Melee is improving Brawl
not to mention the insane amount of shit they did to character's movesets? Did you fucking play as Samus?

smash 4 was a butchered mess thanks to the 3DS version and the system it released on was on it's last legs anyway

ultimate surpassed 4 in literally every single way, why even spare a half a thought for Tr4sh? smash 4 is why i didn't get a switch personally

PM ruined Ultimate for me

Ultimate is just so boring & half the "new" characters are veterans that are better in PM

Cpt Falcon, Ganon and most attacks in general originate from smash.
why do you think they don't revoke Ganon clone status?

That girl on the left is the only good design, but she still looks like an overwatch reject. Did someone port the model over Lucina yet?

You own Nintendo stock or something? Why do you care?

Project M is SHIT.

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>Nigger, Brawl's background was this ugly fucking desert test map, PM's is far more stylish.
Yeah, but at least it wasn't a fucking black void. Agree to disagree
>How about you label what fucking normals you're talking about when you say this shit, you sound like an autistic child and I have no idea what "cool feather swipe" is even supposed to be.
I was talking about his forward-aerial and Up-Tilt. You should have known this, he only has ONE beak twirl in his post-melee moveset.
>I didn't need to hear your fanfiction, my guy. Falco is stylish and skilled. Melee falco is legendarily stylish and requires technique to play. Brawl Falco is a boring, easy zoner who moves like a snail. PM Falco is a synthesis of the two who takes the best of both worlds (I.E. shit that actually matters like DACUS which actually made the character more stylish/fun instead of just making his tools shittier for the sake of graphical diversity).
>his HOME SERIES IN-GAME personality is fancfiction
>Post-Melee Falco is a zoner
>how a character plays and their moveset don't go hand in-hand when shaping their character
pic fucking related
Stop acting you know shit about the character if you don't understand how they even act in their home series, filthy smash secondary.
Falco being a showy, heavy, but familiar, deviation of Fox that uses his own body and skills for quick, unique maneuvers of fits his personality to a T, and in Smash, that's ALL you can go on for a game where the characters are in a vehicle all the time. Taking his personality and game callbacks away for "muh epik playstyle" means you missed the point of what Smash is all about, ESPECIALLY if restoring said playstyle was as simple as a few stat changes. If you don't enjoy actual an actual crossover and want archetypes, go play Rivals of Aether.
Not even gonna go onto Mario because the same as Falco, but who are you to dictate who has fun with what. YOU aren't the end-all-be-all on what's fun.

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Whats wrong with ultimate that it needs shitty fan mods?

Smash won't be good again until they give out those dumb post-battle score rewards that mean nothing again
FACT

Nothing feels amazing in ult

Again, it was shaped off of his comic personality, which is where a few of his moves come from, pic related
Official Ganondorf is inexcusable, the only thing I can commend him for is highlighting his Triforce of Power that never really gets shown in games anymore, and him using his sword from the tech demo, which is a neat reference

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Nothing. Smelees simply can't let go of their janky ass 2001 GCN party game.

smash 4 2 sucks

Auto L-canceling makes it playable unlike the previous one

Didn’t captain falcon use a gun in that?

Yeah, but I'm pretty he never shot it, he only used it for intimidation iirc

Literally the most popular fighting game in the world. Get fucking destroyed, retard zoomer.

what about that comment warranted the zoomer buzzword?

>>his HOME SERIES IN-GAME personality is fancfiction
That Falco "doesn't want to be seen as second fiddle to him any way" (which is an overstatement from what I've seen of the character, then again I only played the original and 64) should preclude them from playing similarly is dumb. They're part of the same military organization for fuck's sake, not to mention that even with an aesthetically similar moveset is playstyle is stylish and haphazard where Fox's is optimized and smooth.
>Post-Melee Falco is a zoner
At least Brawl's Falco is, yeah. Having a fast fireball is crazy strong in a game where every character has slow as fuck airspeed.
>how a character plays and their moveset don't go hand in-hand when shaping their character
Insane misrepresentation of what I'm saying. Post-Melee Smash's sanitized design is less conducive to fun and unique gameplay, and PM is in the right for bringing it closer to Melee even if some aspects are lost.
>who are you to dictate who has fun with what. YOU aren't the end-all-be-all on what's fun.
Never claimed I was, you ultra-defensive sperglet. It's a fucking internet discussion, I don't have a gun to your head forcing you to play PM. Faster gameplay and higher skill ceiling = more fun for most people, but if you think bing bing wahoo reference points are worth making the game slow and lame then that's your bag.

why don't they unclone ganon?

Because at this point, they've established Ganondorf as being a Falcon clone for so long that they fear pissing off the 12 people who actually play him.

I main Dorf in Ultimate and I'd be fine with them uncloning him.

>That Falco "doesn't want to be seen as second fiddle to him any way" (which is an overstatement from what I've seen of the character, then again I only played the original and 64) should preclude them from playing similarly is dumb. They're part of the same military organization for fuck's sake, not to mention that even with an aesthetically similar moveset is playstyle is stylish and haphazard where Fox's is optimized and smooth.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT HIS UNIQUE PLAYSTYLE COULD HAVE BEEN KEPT WHILE ALSO KEEPING HIS UNIQUE VISUAL FLAIR. He does NOT have to be Fox but stat changed in order to keep his Melee playstyle, he could have his own moves by and large and still fit that with a few stat changes.
>At least Brawl's Falco is, yeah. Having a fast fireball is crazy strong in a game where every character has slow as fuck airspeed.
I don't remember him being played like this in comp at all. I this was as big of a boon as you say, then I'm sure it would've been more prominent. If anything, his Brawl self devolved into rushdown with his ridiculous chaingrabs (thank god those are gone desu)
>Insane misrepresentation of what I'm saying. Post-Melee Smash's sanitized design is less conducive to fun and unique gameplay, and PM is in the right for bringing it closer to Melee even if some aspects are lost.
I guess this is where I can't change your mind, but with this, and your next point, blame the fucking engine, not the character.
It jst sounds like you don't like the Post-Melee engine
diversifying the capabilities of a combo-based character like Mario with a move that both can completely reverse his aerial momentum and BTFO recoveries isn't lame in the slightest, and personally, Brawl and onward approach of making Down Air Mario Tornado was very preferable, if you wanted to go full Meleefag, just make it so that you can mash A to make him go higher. Removing options is exactly what you guys complain about, so I don't know how doing it here suddenly good.

>Faster gameplay and higher skill ceiling = more fun for most people
Doesn’t really explain most AAA titles. I think a better phrase would be “more rewarding for most people willing to dedicate time to a game”.

cont. for a bit more
Just because they're a part of the same MERCENARY GROUP doesn't mean they can't come to a head and have differences in morals and actions. I shouldn't have to explain this
Post-Melee Falco conveys this visually perfectly. Let him have is own playstyle and make that fun, make it indicative of Fox, but make it also VISUALLY interesting. That's it.