NINJA GAIDEN FUCKING 2 BACKWARD COMPATIBLE

Pc port of black and 2 when

PC release fucking WHEN

No

I swear to God if the Fiends Bane bow is visible on Ryus back throughout the whole game with no way to hide it I'm literally using the Infinity Gauntlet to erase even the traces of the molecules in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

they can keep it

Fucking do it bitch I dare you

>NO MORE STAIRCASE HELL
is the framerate fix confirmed?
does it come with all DLC or is it separate?

Black's the only game in this series worth playing though
even you guys typically agree with that sentiment

Fucking Hell. Why cant they boost the framerate/res for peasant box S too?

>twitter.com/Wario64/status/1118265602957725696
What enhances with an Xbox One X? Does the framerate improve? It would be nice to play those splinter cell games at 60fps

But NG2 is fun as fuck though

This.

I can now buy an Xbox one

In hell, where it belongs

Sony BTFO!
Xbox wins again, baby!

A lot of back compat games run better like RDR so Id imagine it will

no, we agree Black is the best game by far
vanilla NG2's combat however is superior to Black's and Master Ninja mode is all the better for it

wtf a goatsee controller?

>goatse controller
is this real

Any chance these Ninja Gaiden "re-releases" come to PS4?

They arent re-releases. They are using emulation

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you must be fuckin retards
NG3:RE is the most underrated hack and slash of the past generation.
>you fight a fucking robo zombie dinosaur
get out, fucking npcs, learn to use your fucking brain and stop listeng to shitty "journalists" opinion

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It's not a re-release... it's running on a 360 emulator.
Also, no chance.

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Mainly because NG2 had waaaay too many technical issues (fps dropping to 1 digit in master ninja, the staircase, water stages etc), but if they fix that shit we can finally play it the way it was meant to be played by cookie.

Meh, oh well. Thanks.

Sigma? Probably not, team ninja doesn't seem to care about ninja gaiden anymore. Also I heard they're worse than the originals

How well does Sigma 2 run on RPCS3?

My favorite game ever

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>pic
it's on PS3 too retard

PC ports fucking when?

No fucking way. I'll play literally nothing else for at least 4weeks then.

doesn't matter now
the true versions of 1 and 2 are here in 4k
I'm never asking for anything else again

and I can bet you Nioh 1 and 2 are shown at Xbox's E3 conference

>when you bought an xbone x just for ngb in 4k
>now it gets ng2 in 4k and at a playable framerate
literally erect

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>learn to use your fucking brain and stop listeng to shitty "journalists" opinion
But the journalists ate that shit tho, it's the NGfags who hated it.

Put it on PC or no one cares. I still have my 360

They fucking won ninjabros

You'll need an oc'd 9900K. All to play the much worse, boring version of the 2nd best game in the genre
Just buy an xbone or wait for Xenia.

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A shittier version of it.

>>you fight a fucking robo zombie dinosaur
which was so broken in the vanilla version that you couldn't beat it with DLCweapons

Sigma is fucking garbage

>Playing the Ninja Dog version
No

I still can't get over how shitty that console's name is. I get that it's supposed to be XBOX but it's still shitty.

It's literally an enhanced port.

Ninja Gaiden 2 is the best DMC game ever made

You can't dispute this

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>ninja gaiden 2 is the most video game video game ever made
What did he mean by this?

ohohoho
youtube.com/watch?v=VDAiYc_sy8A&feature=youtu.be

>oc'd 9900K
Not him, but really? Sigma 1 runs perfectly on even a laptop CPU

>Removes enemies
>Removes dismemberment mechanic
>Looks worse
No

>Removed blood
>Lessened enemies
Yeah, "enhanced"

>Sigma 2
>enhanced

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I'm going to buy a fucking xbone for this.

Fucking finally

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ya know back in my day we used to get excited about new games

>difficulty unlocks

I fucking hate stupid games that do this shit. Just put everything as DLC.

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I hope Xbone X at least fixes the audio.

The best Fable is now X Enhanced too.

just release it on pc

U dumb

but that means you didn't earn it

Hey NGfags, is Sigma 1 alright? I know everyone says it's worse than Black, but is it by much? I don't have an xbox.

Only the first is true. Don't be a fanboy.

Not sure where my disc is. Disc copies on Ebay for $5 tho

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You are so wrong it's baffling.

Sigma 1 is alright.

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NG2 is fucking trash, so who gives a shit? Only Black was good.

in the age of everything getting a remaster, we still haven't gotten a NGB remaster

Those difficulty unlocks look awful.

Show me the limbs flying in Sigma 2. You can't. Ps3 was the worst platform to play the best action games: ng2 and bayo.

Port this shit to PC already.

Never played this game before, but the PS3 version looks more balanced. The 360 version looks like a fucking mess that only literal autistic retards could enjoy.

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ng2 is amazing, the best combat in the series.

>Make a Wish as a kid
>Shopping spree
>Put NGB in my cart
>Someone takes it out and its the last one
>Leave without it
>Later on get it at gamestop
>Clerk tells me the first boss has people returning it a lot

Made me laugh

>Show me the limbs flying in Sigma 2. You can't.
I don't have to show you you can simply look up gameplay of sigma 2 yourself and see that it's there.
Enemies lose limbs and you press triangle(?) to finish them off as I recall.

enjoy the PS3 version then

Give the option for both. Have it in game to unlock but also have it as DLC for people who don't want to waste their time replaying a game over and over.

I fucking hate having a cool costume being locked away just because you don't play on the hardest difficultly that is catered to literal retards.

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The game was balanced around fighting crowds. What you get in Sigma 2 instead of enemy numbers are one hit ko throws.

It's backwards compatible on XBone, but a full blown remaster will be impossible without slav magic.

It really shows just how unneeded remasters are. Take these sixth generation games, blow them up to 4k... they look GOOD. They dont need retouched by any asshole.

If you don't have an Xbox it's still a perfectly fine version, just somewhat bloated with pointless additions (like Rachel) that grind the game to a halt a bit.

If you had access to an Xbox, 360, or One, it's not particularly expensive to get digitally, and Black is basically just the original game, the dlc expansions, and the addition of a free camera (which isn't the biggest of changes given that the original camera was still solid), unless you live in the EU, in which case it also has dismemberment that was taken out of the original release.

I mean a lot of remasters are just higher res ports

I wish Microsoft would do the retrocompatibility stuff with PC. I'd pay Lost Odyssey emulated retail price, same with other games.

>Take these sixth generation games, blow them up to 4k... they look GOOD. They dont need retouched by any asshole.
not always
NGB has aged INCREDIBLY well for a 15 year old game

Say what you will, but the staircase at low fps was amazing. Nothing better like killing dozens of enemies in one fell swoop on slow-mo just before the final boss.

OH NO NONONO

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That's the entire point of NG2 and the entire game is designed around it. The original is more about small, deliberate, tense fights whereas 2 is just complete insanity. Sigma 2 guts the enemy population (probably because the PS3 shat itself even harder than the 360 did) without re-balancing the game around small fights.

NOOOOOOOOO MY NINJA GAIDEN 2 DISC ISN'T WORKING I BOUGHT IT USED AND IT'S SCRATCHED TO SHIT I THOUGHT IT'D JUST READ THE HEADER AND LICENSES

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I just ordered a disc off ebay. I gotta replay 1 first. They took the game off the store and are putting it on again so yeah it wont be up instantly

>Enemies lose limbs
The limbs disappear in Sigma 2, they don't even begin to make an arc.

The red and gold ones are cool, but they are lazy compared to the first ones costumes.

less than 4 dollars for a disc on ebay right now. Or just call a local game shop that isnt gamestop and see if they have any. Gamestop carries it for 10

its not actually balanced, they just removed a shitload of enemies and in some sections all of them. you also have to deal with the game being heavily censored and the puzzles removed. sigma 2 is like a different game entirely aimed at people who couldn't handle the base game.

its a small reward for having skill, you shouldn't be able to buy it

Well at least it reassures me Microsoft still give a fuck about BC and not rely on their shitty game pass shit. There maybe hope yet.

Theyve been adding games constantly

>not already having the disc

I don't even remember what the visual is but I vividly recall the mechanic as present in sigma 2.
Say it like it is or you come across as a fanboy man, that's all.

>49.95
Surely this is a mistake.

>Theyve been adding games constantly
To BC list or Game Pass list. Because I fucking loath Game Pass.

Same! Always wanted to play them

is it digital download or disc only?

Back compat.

I can't believe I'm actually considering buying an Xbone. My 360 is a designated NGB machine at this point and the disc tray won't open so I haven't been able to play NG2 in years.
The downloadable version of NGB works on Xbone right?

Before calling me a fanboy, why don't you get a clue of what you are talking about?

>NGB
>NG2
>DMC 1-5
>Bayonetta
>MGR
>all on the same console

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>The downloadable version of NGB works on Xbone right?
It does and if you sign in with your 360 account you don't even need to buy it again.

If you have a disc it will download the BC version for free

you still need the disc to activate it every time you play though

will we PC philistines ever get to play these games?

Okay then we are cool. And I will check that shit out tomorrow.
>considering buying an Xbone.
Dude hit up the S or maybe an X. Just for memory purposes alone.

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Bayonetta and MGR aren't X enhanced sadly but atleast MS gave them away for free for a short time.

OG xbox emulation may never happen. There's just too little interest and it seems incredibly hard to do, so no NGB at least. 360 emulation seems to be coming along though, so you will at least get NG2 someday, maybe.

Maybe in the next gen when Phil bothers to introduce it. I’m sure it will come for you guys, they want your market despite everyone despising the window store and MS products.

The fuck do you mean? I just called you out on fucking petty lying.
You said a mechanic is missing when it clearly isn't.
Literally no point continuing this exchange, no one cares you got mad when I called you a fanboy, like I said that's just what you came across as in your first post.
Stop bitching.

This, they need to get the 360 emulator on PC. I will gladly use the Windows store for this game and Fable 2

Well alright. I bought a disc I could trust since the case and manual are good enough for me

goddammit I was this close to buying a memebox one x last year, built a pc instead. I really don't want to buy a nearly ded console or wait for ms' next gen thing for one game tho

When is it up? I'm getting the "This game is not playable here." Message.

If they make a Ninja Gaiden Double Trilogy pack for pc/ps4/xbone then I can die happy

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I bought an XB1X for a 4k player and literally only play gears UE and backwards compat games. It's worth it.

I just got the cheapest one since you only need it clean enough to verify and then you just download and leave it in the drive

no but Bayo1 hits 60 more consistently than on an original Xbox 360
even when the games aren't X enhanced they're still given a solid optimization treatment

wrong yellow wojak.

Sweet.
Oh shit. Thanks for the heads up. I've honestly turned a blind eye to the entire console up until know so I didn't even think about the revised models.

I wish I could justify buying an XBone to play Ninja Gaiden Black and NGII. With Killer Instinct on PC and Cuphead coming to Switch they're the only things tempting me, but I really want to try them. I've played all the other big series and games in terms of this kind of action game but this. I guess I could get Sigma 1 and Razor's Edge and be good with those, but NGII I know is better than Sigma 2.

>asking for less replay value in a skill based action game with multiple weapons to approach combat with
Damn you're stupid.

ngb boots to the menu but it cant render 3d yet
right now it seems like the focus of original xbox emulation is jet set radio future. it might even be beatable now.

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3pm PST

Yeah the S can play 4k blu ray s and also has a slightly higher clocked CPU I think.

I never said the mechanic is missing. I said the flying limbs are missing, which is 100% true.

This, wtf?

>All these people asking for PC ports
NEVER
EVER

So a half hour ago?

Ninja Gaiden 2 gave me PTSD.

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So the NG2 360 copy works on xbone and does that mean that I can put my og xbox NGB disc in, too and it will work the same way? If so... Nothing will stop me from buying a Xbone now...

It will work.

Does it boot past the menu or crash/lock up?

>Removes dismemberment mechanic

We're anonymous you're not saving face when you don't have a face to begin with dude, it's okay.

Nice, thank you.

They need to bring back Hayabusa armor in Halo.

I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing, just that Bayo and MGR are the only 2 on that list that run below 1080p on an X. Since they're not free anymore you're probably better off just getting them on Steam anyway. You can grab both of them for under a fiver if you shop around.

Literally any game that is back compat will work with a disc. Itll require a download but you can use your disc to get it for free basically. Offline works fine once its Dl'd, just need the disc in like its a normal game

Also get a One S, it's a way smaller and better Xbox One. Can play 4k blu rays too

Sorry, but that was not my post.

wow its fucking real

interesting note, ng2 on a 360 is prone to crashing if installed. this is probably why it took so long for it to come to xbone, assuming they tried to fix it.

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Dude I'm hitting up an S soon. Just weird how to transfer your saves you have to save to the OneDrive Cloud and then get it from there but I'm sure both of us will manage.

No one's talking about that version since RE fixed it

One Drive is really great. Compared to SOny's way of handling videos and screenshot transfer.

it was never made available to buy digitally either
it's fundamentally unfinished, itagaki was forced out the door in the final months so they must've cut corners anywhere they could to get it to disc

now that we have it, I just need Infinite Undiscovery (also never available digitally) to come to BC and I'm set for life

I hope this means a new SC is coming.

Okay dude you're not a fanboy congrats. Your honor remains unscathed and you can go on with your life holy shit.
Learn some imageboard etiquette if you wish to avoid similar situations in the future.

Xbox won now put Dead or Alive on the backwards compatible list

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JSRFs been beatable for months now

can there be a single thread without two faggots fighting

No they arent. The fuck with the character models, they fuck with the lighting, the fuck with voices, they cant just let it be. I was going to get the FFX remaster because I heard it was "a good one" turns out thru changed the characters faces and the soundtrack.

Like what the fuck nigger get your fingers out REEEE.

Vanilla Ninja Gaiden also has Hurricane Pack content, removed intercept move, and new game+ that isn't in Black or Sigma but you need a modded original Xbox to play it. iirc there's a guide to set it up on assembler forums or gamefaqs.

Muh dick at full UT charge.

This. Anyone who disagrees should compare it to the neutered pos in sigma 2

>almost everything
>exclusive to one console

This.

>been holding block for the entire fight to not absorb essence
>unseal the block button and hold Y

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So the begging begins... Feels good to be an Xbro right now. NG2 will NEVER come to the PS4. Ever.

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Sigma 1 is nearly the exact same game but with some extra features and missions. Plus the textures are higher res. You aren't missing much by playing it over Black.

I own both

>finally becomes BC
>it's the enhanced version

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Xbox lmao.

That's great and all but can you buy these games on their digital store?

I'd get an Xbox One to play some of these older games, but I don't have said games and they're likely to be costly and/or scarce.

Finally a man of taste

If 1 and 2 were on PC, I'd buy them in a heartbeat.

Yeah, it's going live soon on digital

This.

digital soon, for the first time.
or you can use old cds but it needs to check the cd every time you boot the game.

>accidentally absorb blue essence

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Interesting.

this
I remember all the successive decapitations in slow motion....

Can't wait to see the enhanced version.

>I'd get an Xbox One to play some of these older games, but I don't have said games and they're likely to be costly and/or scarce.
Dude you can get 360 games for under 5 bucks now days. And they play alot better on XB1.

Can't wait. NG2 is one of the best action games I've played. The rush is unmatched.

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I'd actually give money to microsoft if they ported their emulator to PC

Wow that Shitbox #sparse run is really making Xcucks kiss Phil's ass for crumbs

What weapons were exclusive to Sigma 2 again?

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so I don't see any add-ons for it in the store

does all the DLC come included?

Yes

good
fuck paying an extra five for mission mode, it's not even that good but I want it

store page is up on the site and xbone
error when trying to see price in usa though

I missed out on learning Tonfas properly when I first played the game. Had no idea about how good Tonfas' dash moves were. Can't wait to replay this to hell and back.

Yeah, there's DLC. Pic related.
Maybe we'll get a sale on them finally.

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The big ass sword.

>vanilla NG2's combat however is superior to Black's and Master Ninja mode is all the better for it
NG2 MN is literally just cheese or die, maximizing iframes is the only viable way to play

it's not there on the xbox store on my console
just the game for £24.99

honestly, the vita versions of NG are the best

Isn't NG2 combat literally just delimb into OT, repeat and UT chaining?

Why does it get so much praise?

Fucking finally,
Now where the fuck Nier?!
Come the fuck on, Microsoft.

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Can someone please explain what the fuck this mysterious staircase is

Because the combat is fast paced and fun and even if you only have a handful of viable moves, actually applying those to each encounter is varied and challenging.

>Now where the fuck Nier?!
No.

The cinematic slowmo staircase

I don't know. It's alright if you play it that way, but what I liked about it was the chain sickle. The tonfas were so fucking broken playing how you describe, it was litterally just hold Y to unleash win and move on

>muh silky smooth 24fps

Consolebabbies ladies and gentlemen

The wonderful staircase of gore induce framing

Why no?

>capping a twitter post
literally what is the point other than to shill? holy fuck

Because fetish machines don't count as games.

Isn't that what Master Ninja is all about?
youtube.com/watch?v=QLJ5vXH5yb4

the main thing is using the invincibility from the obliteration move to make the large groups of enemies more doable.
it takes the dodging/blocking combat from ng1, adds a shitload more enemies and more enemy throws/projectiles.

neat the end there's a giant staircase with too many enemies and the game starts going in slow motion. its not intentional, the game cant handle it.

The first Nier doesn't have all those characters.
It's about a father finding his daughter.

And retards don't count as people. That said, shut the fuck up retard.

Nier is a really good game, man... Did you even play it?

You spend more time watching Ryu doing his canned UT/OT animations than you do actually playing. And doing literally anything else is pointless. How is that fun?.

Literally a huge ass staircase filled to the brim with enemies. 360 couldn't handle the scene, and it played in slomo. The performance was questionable, but watching heads roll and limbs fly in low motion was majestic.

What is the best weapon in the game and why is it the kusarigama?

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>microsoft dabs on sony by making the best game of all time playable on all current and future consoles

Best purchase i ever made

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on basic enemies most are just a quick chop on the neck

>and I can bet you Nioh 1 and 2 are shown at Xbox's E3 conference
I unironically hope that Nioh 1 & 2 comes to Xbone because I would like to have some physical copies of those games that aren't PS4 versions plus I fear that the PC version of Nioh 2 would get denuvo'd as well.

Digital release?

They don't take that much time at all, and you don't have to chain UTs into UTs.

based
it was kino. like when NES games played in slow motion

>and you don't have to chain UTs into UTs.
It's certainly ideal to do so when you can though. I don't personally count gimping yourself as a legitimate argument. Especially when the highest difficulty is designed around you abusing all that cheese.

This user is correct. It was like the Matrix.

Source

>Haven't played any NG games
>have a RGH 360
>only usb HDD so i can't play Black
Is NG2 as good as they say?

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shuriken and exploding shuriken.
Grabs
Mages

Is fairly balanced.

The next argument is the exploding shuriken spam.

Shmups in the arcades where designed around the fact that they would slow down when a certain amount of bullets where on screen which was hardware based.
Why is NG2 not allowed to do the same thing? It was obviously intentionally done.

they've been slacking on jrpgs and arcade titles in the last year
Ng 2 becomes a musou without shitty enemy ai's on a fuckin staircase with awful frames

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The Eclipse Scythe is just the fucking bee's knees for me. It's all the damn grabs you can do with it, slicing motherfuckers in half, etc. Best scythe in a game ever, period, bar none.

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Who 1250/1250 here

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You get less essence if you chain UTs into UTs.

if you're considering buy a bone for this
you better get the boneX
otherwise it's just like playing on a 360

Aren't shurikens mostly just for cancelling? And grabs seem to be just throwing people into walls for an instant delimb over and over for the most part.

At leas tthat's what I've seen of the game, so if I'm wrong, do correct me.

I prefer sigma without all the gore. It’s unnecessary

its linear but good if you like combat and difficulty
i'd argue that ninja gaiden black is a much better game overall but its obviously lacking the gore fest

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>Using the Eclipse Scythe's UT to tear a dozen enemies to shreds, instantly bringing the framerate back up right before another wave shows up

Fuck, I can't decide if I'll prefer the slow mo being gone.

If you fancy being unable to see shit half the time in Sigma2+, sure. As impressive as it was that they managed to get a 360 game running on a Vita despite butchering the visuals in a lot of places.

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>"XboneX enhanced"

So the base Xbone is such a potato it can't run 2008's NG2 with AA?

not 6th gen ones. the ones who ended up being ports sucks major ass. publisher pays a new studio to redo the game from ground up while reusing original assets.

I'll have to do a syth run.

I'm on a kusarigama high. Love when I latch onto an enemy and drag them toward me while they are flailing around trying to break free. hnnnnggg

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bone X enhanced means 4k 60 I think?

Even if that's the case, Sigma also just has a bunch of objectively bad gameplay decisions:

>Fewer enemies with higher HP pools which makes them spongey when your moveset is designed for dealing with a large number at once
>Weapon upgrades are locked behind progression, lowering your combat options
>Can't actually upgrade all weapons because there aren't enough statues in the game
>Removed Windmill Shuriken and Incendiary Shuriken
>Lack of limbs removes Werewolf limb toss moves
>New bosses are all edge of stage God of War style bosses
>Female ninja stages break up the pacing and aren't optional

Etc. Etc. Only positive change is the removal of water sections.

No one is buying what you’re selling xbro

Honestly I don't really care about NG2, 1 runs amazing on the vita though.
If I'm gonna suffer through 2, id rather it be on a handheld.
Makes me wonder how something like DMC 3 would have played like on the vita.

sigma 2 code seems to be a fuckng mess not even tecmo wants to touch it

No, I meant the exploding shuriken would punish UT spam. You'd have to kill an enemy to get essence, and seeing as they dodge, and sometimes don't de-lim right away at higher difficulties, its fairly balanced.

But they do spam their explosive shuriken a bit.

Grabs are throwing them. You can do that for a de-limb, or to stagger some enemies for crowd control.

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Are you pretending like Tecmo even gives a single SHIT about Ninja Gaiden when it's not in DOA?

Oh shit, I knew I kept that disc for a reason.

>Suddenly remembers Master Ninja becoming a borderline bullet hell

Do I really wanna go through this again?

1 runs a near stable 30, but you still got that input lag to deal with that both OG Xbox and PS3 versions didn't have. It's fine on earlier difficulties, but then you're stuck using safer strats on the higher ones to compensate for it.

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ayy
where da pc port at

It's not about console wars, it's just a lesser version of the game. I think the first Sigma is debatable versus Black -- it's close enough that I don't fault anyone for preferring it.

Sigma 2 is a bad game that fails to understand the elements of the original that worked.

it has a dickgirl though

Fucking hell, I really want to get a Xbone just for NGB and this.

Sometimes I wish the collision box on the camera was wider so it wouldn't get stuck aiming at the god damn wall in narrow places.

GAME I'VE ALREADY PLAYED HOLY FUCK

I didn't notice any input lag. I overclock my vita though.

Why doesn't someone just like make a game better than Ninja Gaiden 2? It's been a decade

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GAME NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO TOP FOR OVER 10 YEARS

You could just get a 360, too.

I prefer Sigma for the added content

>hurrr durrr it's easier

So? I don't do MN playthroughs anyway. I also love Momiji.

Every dev copied meme souls since the combat is far easier to rip off.

hey
you can get that cheap discless bone to play the game

I don't see all that much variety in MN gameplay in NG2, so it can't really be as balanced as you're making it out to be.

Realistically every action game boils down to only a handful of staple moves, I don't see how that's a criticism for NG2 in particular.

sekiro just released bro

Then you have to pay whatever stupid amount they want for it digitally when you can just find a disc copy for like 3 bucks.

>every action game
I disagree

The director of DOA/NG left and we all know how 3 turned out as a result.

Name one

Go play Nier now.

This doesn't look bad

Guess we can hope for Bayonetta 3 to be balls to the wall hard compared to the previous two?

Bayo

but PC though

Then they went back with 3RE and managed to fix a lot of NG3s issues. It's not perfect by any means and not as good as NGB or NG2 but it definitely deserves to be mentioned alongside them. Remove the QTEs and it would be just as replayable to me.

Starting with the mindset of 3RE without the shitty foundation of NG3 and we could get a great game.

Bayo 3 not being as hopelessly incompetent as 2 would be a start, never seen a director miss the point of a game that hard
pillow talk, charge, release, win

>tfw one those instances where lag accidentally made the whole sequence infinitely better

Ascending toward the final battle(s) as you carve through a horde of enemies rushing you with their limbs flying everywhere in "slowmo" was fucking perfect

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>implying harder=better
I get that we're in a NG thread and the meme of its difficulty is only surpassed by soulsfaggotry but come on dude be real please.

Because people fucking suck at the game and all they know how to do is spam flying swallow, izuna drop and UT chaining

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But even the highest level, most efficient gameplay I've seen is little other than this.

I don't count "stylish" runs where players deliberately use other moves to challenge themselves and make the game less boring, while acknowledging that it's strictly suboptimal.

How bad is the battery drain with the overclock? I just cfw'd mine last week and I've been considering it.

Dude if we're really going by this argument then DMC is not balanced at all because you can just RG through everything for free DT damage and invulnerability all the time. In MGR the most efficient gameplay is just to perfect parry and kill everything with a QTE. Precisely the game's balance comes from the fact that once you learn the game you can play with so many different styles and weapons and moves while continuing to not take any damage. It might take a bit longer and it's much harder, but it's doable.

This whole "well the optimal way to do X" argument is autism because you can apply that fucking shit to any game. In the first witcher the optimal way to play is to spam igni, doesn't fucking mean it's your only option.

Wait, what did you mean? In Bayonetta you don't have to force yourself into a playstyle. Wasn't that the point with NG?

Of course DMC isn't balanced, it's literally entirely carried by the focus on being stylish. And yes, you're completely accurate on all of your points, and they're significant flaws with those games that strip them of any kind of real depth.

Simply making everything "usable" but without any actual practical usefulness isn't balance. If you're just using things for novelty's sake, then someone at some point fucked up.

Really hope the rumors of general Xbone compatibility coming to PC are real. The base console isn't exactly expensive but I'd more than welcome not having to spend money to play, like, 1 exclusive that hasn't been ported yet and a couple of my 360 games with slightly better resolution.

Bayo is great. They fucked up bayo 2 pretty badly though.

yeah I was thinking of grabbing a shitbox one just for ngb but ng2 would be dope too.

DMC is fun. NG is technical.

>the game's balance comes from the fact that actually making use of the tools offered to you actually makes the game harder and makes you less efficient
I don't think you understand what balance means.

Yes. Atleast the enemy designs are sometimes cool...

Yeah, I agree. Harder doesn't equal better. Bayo 1 and ng2 are my favorite action games because they are fun to play, not because they are hard.
Sekiro is great too. Very refreshing to see a great action game coming from Fromsoft.

Worth buying an xbone for JSRF and Ninja Gaiden Black/2? Any other decent exclusives?

NG isn't about doing a whole bunch of different moves. It's about dealing with large groups of enemies in the most efficient manner possible.

People bitching about lack of "variety" in NGB or NG2 miss the point of the games entirely. However, so do those claiming you don't "have to" play the game that way, and that using all the suboptimal shit somehow makes the game more fun. It doesn't.

It's the other way around.

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dmc is absolutely technical and ng is definitely fun.

Okay, now where's pic related. Finish the job, xbois.

the only strat in ninja gaiden that always works is UT chaining
black added enemies that directly combat flying swallow and 2 addressed excessive blocking and izuna drop spam

ng3 fucked up the weapon balance hardcore though and you can spam certain moves for the win. learning the 360' scythe spin suddenly had full invincibly ruined mission mode entirely

>humanoid enemies are basically entirely shut down by R1 spam
>still don't understand basic balancing so all of your tools and special moves are useless compared to just mashing your basic attack
>despite having only one weapon, your moveset is actually smaller than Souls/Bloodborne

From can't into combat. They simply can't do it. So they should never, ever try and create an action game.

My counter argument then is that for every "optimal" strategy in NG2 there's a ton of shit that can hinder you, suddenly making it not so "optimal". In reality they're just easier to perform on a technical level. I've played hundreds of hours so I'm really autistic about NG2 so here it goes
>Izuna Drop
Leaves you completely open to deadly grabs as soon as you hit the ground not to mention you can get stunned out of it mid-air by ranged attacks
>UT chain
Need to be able to get the kills in the first place. Sure can always use ninpo but it's a limited resource for how many encounters there are in the game. More often than not you'll find your UT chain gets interrupted because you didn't kill enough enemies at one point and you don't have enough essence
>Flying swallow
Dangerous, leaves you open to hits if you miss and when you land because of recovery frames.

If you make use of the tools offered to you the game doesn't actually become harder. Maybe if you're a brainlet who can't actually learn how to play the game. It's the same as people who only use trickster in DMC. It's easier to pull off a few select moves, but as far as both games go there's a ton of other tools that are just as powerful and fun to use but that require you to be more competent at the game

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>still no DOA4
>still no JSRF
>still no Otogi 1 and 2

Literally all xbox is missing to be perfect.

When you learn dodge offset in bayo, it's easy to get trapped into only using YBY for the entire game. Simply because it works, and dodge offset allows it. It's up to you to get familiar with more combos.

The same goes with ninja gaiden 2. It's easy to get stuck chaining UTs, but if you explore the move lists just a bit, you'll find there is a good number of viable moves for each weapon.

>It might take a bit longer and it's much harder, but it's doable.
Your own words.

Looks cool.

Sure, this argument works as long as you're actually rewarded for exploring. If not exploring actually ends up being more efficient, though, you've got a problem.

Kino cover

It's a shit jrpg. Don't listen to him

>humanoid enemies are basically entirely shut down by R1 spam
Stops working a few hours into the game. We can discuss this in a Sekiro thread.

Ok so what's actual balance then? Being able to completely destroy enemies without needing to take the time to learn the game and facing no opposition?

I dunno, man, playing the game is a reward enough for me.

>Infinite Undiscovery
Didn't they just make a new digital listing? I'm assuming it's gonna be BC soon

Did you play it, or are you being a fag? I think we all know the answer.

You get less essence if you chain UTs into UTs.

No, being rewarded for learning the proper uses for every single tool the game offers you and applying them optimally. Not making half of your movelist a glorified handicap.

it doesn't play JSRF.

DINNER DINNER DINNER!

There are really only two things to watch out for
>you get deflected
Deflect their counter
>hyper armor
The one thing that can actually kill you in this game, this is the shit you have to watch out for
But it also basically limits each enemy's viable offensive pool to just their hyper armor attacks

>Ninja gaiden sigma 2 on PS3
>And vita

Tfw the ps4 is my biggest regret I should have bought an xbox

>sigma
>good

Oh sweaty

Spaming UT's is punished by Enemies exploding shurikens/magic or grabs
Spamming izuni drop and flying swallow is punished by its long cool down, and enemies dodging
Magic users, exploding shuriken, and other pressure from enemies is circumvented by well-timed I-Frames.

You have to be efficient because the pressure put on you by aggressive a-i puts you into a survival horror mode. Seeing you have little ninpo, and healing potions.

It's cool if you can stomach these, but they are hardly a substitute.

So just turning the game into rock paper scissors, X move beats Y situation? No variety allowed? Where's the fun in that?

You can't have an interesting game without some options being more useful/powerful than others, and others being a bit useless.

Wait hold the fuck up
Isn't that basically the only OG Xbox exclusive (other than Ninja Gaiden) that people actually like? How the fuck have they not ported it over yet?

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So you're admitting you really don't know the game. There are a ton of actual attacks in the game that offer i-frames outside of just grabs and izuna drops and UT spam. If you had actually played the game you'd know this and you'd realize you can use all the weapons and their various attack strings without taking damage and dropping enemies like flies. This whole argument is retarded because you can kill bosses and enemies just as easily by just learning the game.

Hell, you know what are some excellent moves nobody fucking uses because they're brainlets and can't into timing? Counterattacks and wall attacks. Counterattacks also give i-frames and deal a ton of damage, while wall attacks often delimb or instakill enemies and they help you close long gaps between you and enemies, some of which often have dangerous ranged attacks. Pls stop talking shit

they're drastically different games compared to ng2 360
its like comparing ff6 snes to ff6 iphone

>Spamming izuni drop and flying swallow is punished by its long cool down, and enemies dodging
can't you shuriken cancel flying swallow to make it safe?

it's possible licensing bullshit with the soundtrack prevents it from coming back.

It's ok user he probably just plays Fromsoft shit and couldn't tell a good combat system if it hit him on the head

They're good if you don't have an XBOX.
The core combat is the same, but reduced enemy count makes it hard to enjoy it. Makes it more of a slower, methodical game. like souls, but with more flash.

To get closer to the high enemy count is to play the team missions.

Just wait for xcloud

But PC though

I own the game and played it two years ago. It's almost as bad as Magnacarta 2

I already admitted anything I might know about the game is second hand, so I'm accepting any corrections about the game itself. But in this case, I was simply disagreeing with your notion of "balance", while in the same post claiming that actually trying to make use of more of the options given to you will make the game harder and fights take longer.

Right. I never mastered the canceling and integrated it into my fighting style. I didn't know about it until I got the internet when I was a kid.

either way, They still dodge on flying swallow, and sometimes their heads to not get cut off.

Just sold my ps4 pro, 5 mins later sony announced ps5 is backwards compatible :)

Xcloud will make my old xbox purchases playable on pc as well.

Best time to be a pc gamer :)

Because the regular jet set radio is already bc

>You can't have a good game without a cheese option that beats everything

>npcs
argument invalidated

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30mins less give or take.

just play nioh lol

And the music that plays is so fucking perfect for it.

youtube.com/watch?v=wcl21gZZ_lk

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2 or Sigma 2

I don't play action games to spam a single move for 500 hours farming for RNG loot

>diablo 2 or diablo 3

Why would you want an action game without some cheesy shit? Isn't discovering the strongest moves and abusing them mercilessly the entire point?

>Sigma 2
>enhanced

Play the 360 version and come back and say Sigma is "enhanced"

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Again, it only really makes the game "harder" and the fights take "longer" if you're not competent at the game. Take DMC5 for example. You could technically spam that Dr. Faust move that rains down the meteors on bosses to instakill them, but that's neither balanced, fun or technically impressive. You could instead play with all the tools available to you and then have fun doing all kinds of crazy shit, the whole thing not being insanely harder so long as you know what you're doing. I understand the fights taking longer argument but it doesn't apply to a game where you can in a split second bash an enemy's head open with a downward attack from your staff you know?

In that case I'd argue that a game that actually has piss poor balance is MGR, because that game is actually designed around exploiting just a few tools. For example, in Very Hard everything is a huge damage sponge and the only way the fights don't become tedious is by either spamming ripper mode to do insane damage or by perfect parrying and negating every encounter into a QTE. Same with bosses, you can either try to fight them in a more classical manner or take 30 minutes slowly chipping away at their health. You NEVER see this happen in either NG or DMC for contrast

>red steak and potatos or $oyrizo and $oylent

you play action games to spam 1 move to get an arbitrary ranking at the end of the chapter instead.

Look at who directed MGR and everything makes sense.

honestly thinking of getting an xbonx for multiplat games and backwards compatability, my pc is REALLY showing its age and I end up playing a lot of games with a controller now since there's fucking no decent new fps

Do it bro. Get 3 months of game pass for a dollar right now, until may 12 i think. If you use microsoft rewards, xbox live is free. Make sure you sign in with your old 360 account to so you have your account history and purchases. Welcome to the kino console.

Where the fuck is it?

>see price
Nice, how do I buy the game for fucks sake.

my disc worked.

I just personally believe that learning the ins and outs of everything the game has to offer should result in an increase in efficiency, because to me that's a large part of the satisfaction I get when playing games.

I no longer have my disc, so I'm waiting for it to show up on the MS Store,

It seems to be on the britbong store but not the american store. Will probably be there later today or tomorrow. I think its actually amazing they were able to smooth talk tecmo into allowing this. Everyone there hates itagaki and spent years butchering NG2. Based phil spencer flexed on those whiny japs

they fucked it up, so prob tomorrow

is backwards compatibility anything more than 4k on the xbonx, because I do have an old xbone right now that I haven't touched in 2 years

The one x is just 4k yes. I think its also faster loading and more anistropic filtering? A regular xbone bc game will give it better framerates, some aa, faster loading (not as fast as one x, but definitely faster than 360) and recording/streaming features. In other words its fine. Any game thats 4k enhanced now will also still have its 4k patch available for the next console

how much is it in Brit money?

I think it was 25 londonistan bux. So thats probably 20 in real money?

Is NGB still on game pass?

Fuck that then. Its 10$ at FUCKING gamestop

Yeah its there still, thats how i got a friend into it. Bought him ng2 today to celebrate

Then do that. Act fast though because when a game goes bc, gamestop raises the price within a few days. Personally ive been wanting a digital copy of ng2 for years and am happy i can finally get one. Maybe im a cuck but i want to show based phil and team ninja im saying thanks for bringing back this kino by buying it

I'm buying it digital too. There's enough plastic in my room as is, and I'm not sure how well preserved those used copies are anyway.

Project Gotham Racing 1-4 when?

I have no problem with digital, but I'm also a cheapfag. If it goes on sale digitally later on, I won't have any problem re buying it.

Only problem is tecmo games rarely go on sale. I cant recall the last time i saw a ninja gaiden, dead or alive (except 6, which is 40 right now in the spring sale), or dynasty warriors on sale. But i bet now that everyone was reminded it exists, itll pop up in a summer or bc sale

Those games use real cars and those are even harder to navigate than music license

Shit, guess there's no hope for Outrun 2/2006 then.

fucking knew it was the staircase causing the problems

Sega will absolutely not bother with going after that ferrari license again especially for an old game. The only way out for these cases is a phsyical only bc release, or microsoft to dab on everyone with their amount of money. Like crackdown 3 was made because phil spencer liked the series so much. Any other game with that amount of delays and development issues would be cancelled, but phil kept cd3s development going because he wanted more crackdown

Stupid Xniggie.

you've got sigma. oh wait, no backwards comp, sorry

>Outrun 2/2006
The memories. I played the fuck out of that as a kid and I remember all the different tunes on the radio. Good times.

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It was the second game I bought with my own money and one of the reasons I bought an xbox.

When are we getting this on PC?

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>25 britbongdollarydoos on Microsoft store.

Welp. Looks like I’m buying from CEX.

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>left: xbox
>right: pc

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not as bad as I remember
no one is as autistic or hardcore like oatmeal man to make another game like it

>mfw ms makes me by an xbone with a game from 10 years ago
I can't even complain.

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There's a PC port of 2006 and does 1080p but with stretched HUD, just move one file from one folder to another and the bloom/lens flare works like the console version since it was misplaced in the PC version. Xbox only has the edge of being able to do online via Xlink.

Is this ninja gaiden 2? I do not really remember those swords.

Great games are timeless. Nothing since then has been as visceral since no one wanted to make such a bloodbath of a game. Battlefield 1 should have been the game: body destruction and ww1 go hand in hand, but they took the safe route so it could appeal to everyone

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Everything? Okay PS4 owner.

what about that PC port though