Tick, tock.
Tick, tock.
Do you hear that? It's the sound of 3.0 creeping ever closer. The sound of your crutch top tiers about to be nerfed. The sound of FEfags, furfags and scrubs trembling in fear because they know their crutch characters are going to get BTFO and they'll never win again. Post in this thread if your main is honest and safe from the patch. Otherwise fuck off.
Tick, tock
Luke Barnes
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Benjamin Cox
Based
Jeremiah Bell
>honest
>cute
>fashionable
>sexy feet
she's got it all
Juan Collins
Hoping for Back Throw buffs or better frames on non-held Bell throw.
Loved watching Tea mop the fucking floor with Tweek and Dabuz
Palufags deserve rope. Cant want for their N-Air bullshit to be destroyed
Bentley Johnson
well my main is annoying to fight against, but he isn't amazing, so no need to nerf him
Evan Murphy
>Belmontfag
I thought I told you to fuck off.
Robert Cruz
>tfw getting good with an atypical character
Liam Barnes
Fix Nana’s ai
Wyatt Murphy
>koopaling
I hope the buff Bowser Jr. but leave Koopalings in the current shitty state they're in.
Bowser Jr. deserved his own moveset, not to get lumped in with a bunch MK8 placeholders
Logan Hughes
Snakechads RISE THE FUCK UP
Jaxson Mitchell
why're the snake mains getting cocky like their character is honest and not about to get a fat nerf?
Michael Nguyen
Snake is mid tier
>inb4 muh eceleb said otherwise
Mid
tier
Kayden Stewart
bet
Luis Ward
Haters gonna hate.
Lucas Reed
kay dude. keep dash attacking
Michael Fisher
please buff him sakurai man
Adrian Foster
just make his f-air not impossible to hit thanks
Julian Butler
*honests your path*
i can't wait for marth to be buffed so he is better than his clones lol
Kevin Gonzalez
>in a post NSMB2, MK8, and SSB4 world people finally realize what shitty generic filler characters the Koopalings are
Feels good to be a Juniorchad.
Feels good to have boss fights beyond three-hit Koopa Troopa with spiky shell
Jacob Cook
Too much work to do to get a reasonably balanced cast all around. Expect a few characters(randomly) to get some buffs and nerfs(random changes out the ass like more % to useless moves instead of fixing core issues) which may or may not be totally inconsequential.
They are going to buff an already good sword/midget/animal for no reason.
Adrian Morgan
I'd laugh if they nerf him. He's already so gimpy.
Julian Flores
He's already shit so i'm safe
Christopher Wilson
>Main Ike back in 4 and played him a bunch in brawl
>ult comes along to buff the shit out of him, and now everyone is complaining about the new Ike, specifically neutral air
>Happy my main was buffed but now people are going to call me a meta fag
Fuck you, Ima play my main man and I don't care if he's nerfed in 3.0 or not changed in the slightest
Nathaniel Stewart
All they had to do was give him his paintbrush.
He couldve been amazing.
Sakurai should just put the final nail in the coffin and make Boom Boom a Koopaling skin too
Lincoln Thomas
Just pick a rushdown character, Simon and Richter have a tough time fighting against them, better yet, pick someone small
Brayden Flores
>Get paired against a Robin waifufag on Quickplay
>Start lag switching on purpose
>Beat them and get into elite
Serves you right, faggot.
Ian Gomez
>Expecting any changes of significance.
Dominic Brown
>Wario
Lol no. Out of the thread. Enjoy the nerfs you literal jew
Samuel Phillips
oof
Liam Jones
>Wario
>Not honest
Jackson Miller
FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT OVERPOWERED GARBAGE CHARACTER
Landon Morgan
Snake is probably going to get nerfed too, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
My boy Mii Swordfighter won't though.
Nolan Jackson
He isnt.
Only honest top tier is Peach.
Please fuck off, thank you.
Angel Hill
>they probably arent gonna fix docs recovery
Henry Long
Not entirely sure he needs a buff or not but he's fun to play still.
Cooper Watson
>Peach
>honest
Jackson Nelson
Why would Snake get nerfed? There's nothing about him that's broken.
Carter Anderson
>Wario
>Top tier
Oh no it's retarded
Cooper Taylor
I dropped Wolf because he was too good at absolutely everything. It just wasn't satisfying to play him after a while. I'm starting to like Ridley though...Can't wait for him to get buffed out the ass, I've already got 4.4 million GSP with him.
Jose Bell
they could patch pikmin out the game and i'd still play olimar
Jason Lopez
Filling the whole stage with grenades and explosives and having the most bullshit edgeguarding tool is not broken?
Leo Hill
I legitimately don't think there will be any major nerfs. It sounds ridiculous to think that there will be.
Luis Rogers
>inb4 people who don't know how to deal with Zelda call her cheap
They can't handle all this cute!
Brayden Ramirez
I’m not worried because She’s already shit and objectively the worst FE character, so it’s only uphill from here.
Jose Garcia
You fucking KNOW that we in here. Let's go boys.
Jackson Fisher
>Nikita
>dash attack
>up tilt
>frame 1 grenades
He's busted, and thankfully he will get nerfs.
Carter Mitchell
There is zero chance Robin or Corrin get nerfed.
Nolan Edwards
>not playing a character or being mad someone plays a character because they are strong
lmao, imagine being this mentally disabled. i can't believe humanity has the audacity drown puppies in bags yet let people like you slip through the cracks. truly neck yourself, fag.
Ryder Richardson
It's not broken because he still has a bunch of flaws. His grenades can still hurt him, the explosives don't last for long, and you can just air dodge his nikita (provided you can still use it).
None of these are particularly broken, and not to mention his air game is average. His combo ability is pretty lackluster too, he relies more on damage racking and then finishing off people with any of his strong moves.
Honestly, you could've said his up tilt or dash attack, because I will agree both of those moves are pretty insane but even then don't need nerfs.
Camden Parker
As a Snake main, he is literally High+ to lower top tier.
I don't think he's getting nerfed, but I'm not naive or arrogant enough to think he's anything but a top 10 character.
William Green
What is it that makes Pichu so scary?
T. someone who just got online due to twitch free online bonus offer.
Justin Sullivan
Based
Jayden Gutierrez
>He plays female Robin
Do you just enjoy the feeling of Chrom's throbbing cock in your ass?
Camden Allen
elaborate? new to playing smash online
Carson Rivera
>small as fuck
>hits like a truck
>ultra easy combos
>godly frame data
>f tilt
Carter Lopez
all of his moves are safe and his hurtbox is small
and not to mention thunder jolt can set up for grabs
Landon Morgan
look at this strong motherfucker
also Joker main incoming watch the FUCK out duders
Isaiah Hughes
You're baiting or unironically have never seen how Peach plays.
Solid A tier or top of B tier. Again, enjoy the nerfs.
Jacob Hernandez
No matter how much you dislike their design, inclusion, gameplay or fanbase...they're honest and could even have a mobility buff so they can actually follow-up their own combo starters consistently
Ian Davis
>Fix
Its the way is supposed to be
Chase Roberts
Back Throw and Side B buffs would be nice
Colton Jackson
And this is to go even further beyond!
Aiden Stewart
What the fuck are you retards talking about, you think Pac Man will get buffs? Did you even see that tournament yesterday?
Henry Jackson
>Self-inserter gets insecure at the thought of somebody not being a complete faggot-like him
Why do MRobinfags get so triggered at the sight of FRobin?
Nathaniel Brown
They gutted Corrin.
She needed to get some moves nerfed, side b was extremely safe and her counter was really strong, they had to be nerfed. But fuck, her neutral b is fucking useless now, she is slow as fuck, fair sucks, she cant kill for shit unless she uses bair or pin and her recovery is even worse now.
She needs a buff.
Zachary Russell
Can't wait for DDD to get nerfed again
Hunter Nelson
>2013+6
>Not styling on tier-fags with joke characters
Nicholas Ross
Why is he so fun to play? Hopefully they don't nerf him, though I'm not too aware of his standing in the tier list.
Brody Sanders
Yes.
And have you played the character? Do you know the immense amount of work you have to put in? Back throw and Side B buffs would be perfect to not have to wait till 160 to kill or Bell fish 24/7.
Hunter Gutierrez
Literally this. Pac-Chad deserves buffs. You shouldn't be limited to a grand total of three moves.
Nolan Ross
I guess by fix i meant buff. There really isn't a point to his upB recovery since if you have to use it, you probably aren't coming back anyway. Its the only thing holding me back from using him over regular Mario.
Grayson Williams
Snake play revolves around using a lot of grenades and explosives to dominate the stage.
His nikita missile can be controlled so if you are offstage you are fucked. Even if you dodge it, it can still hit you if it turns around.
Zachary Scott
>fair is useless
huh? It's a pretty good combo starter at low percents and an amazing spacer at high percents.
Her aerial mobility should be buffed to make Fair more useful, the move is fine as is
t. Corrin secondary
Levi Brooks
Literal delusion. And I thought rosterfags were up their own asses.
Chase Morgan
>You know how people complain about projectile spam and counters? Let's make a character have both of those, AND hyper armor!
Why would he need buffs?
Levi Morgan
Can't wait for the most honest character to get a buff to top-tier. Swordfags and Rangefags never stood a chance.
Matthew Peterson
>tfw everyone I play is C tier or lower
Luis Lewis
he's gonna get nerfed because casuals can't handle him even though he's got the shittiest fucking counter in the game
Brayden Ward
i play both marios
Aiden Ward
>Play against Snake in "Elite" Smash
>Literally just throws grenades and does nothing else
>Just sit at the other end of the stage and jump to avoid grenades.
>Snake doesn't do anything about it for the entire game, and I only win during Sudden Death. He didn't even try to take a stock in the actual match.
Why are WiFi shitters like this? Snake is such a cool character, yet the vast majority of online Snakes do this one strategy that doesn't work.
Xavier Howard
cant wait till he gets massive ending lag completely murdering him.
Matthew Smith
>armor breaks
>both projectiles have a fuck ton of start up and move slow as fuck
>counter has a specific hurtbox while everyone else's counter works no matter where you hit them
Thomas Mitchell
Amazing arguement skills!
I'm not asking for crazy shit. Im asking for better killing power on 2 moves that take work to get
While Buffed, Pac's throw is still extremely unsafe, even costing Sinji 2nd place in Bum's for example.
Side B cannot kill even at the tippy top at 60% and that's if you get a hard read or read the DI off a galaxian combo.
There is nothing wrong with buffing Pac in that way. Check his rankings, they're barely scratching "mid tier" and eventually theyll go down once people figure out his tricks again.
Say something productive or fuck off
Connor Barnes
Ken and Ryu are characters that require a decent amount of effort just for their combos to not work and just feel awkward. I'd like it if their moves linked a bit more easily since other characters get combos for free.
Jeremiah Wright
>this is your average snake player
John Bell
honestly. how should K.Rool be buffed.
After watching some video by a kirbyfag a week ago, It mad me realize there are a lot of bad characters who if you buff them too much.
It feels like he's bad, but if you buff him a bit he'd be really good, what's a middle ground?
Dominic Peterson
Am I going to be blessed boys?
Noah Garcia
>if they give mario increased endlag they'll also give doc increased endlag too
Lucas Cook
he's a heavyweight go back to tr4sh greninja with your ass
Jack Allen
Im not sure why they nerfed stun attacks so hard but buffed the shit out of burying moves, feels fucked that i cant poke with the small stun into a fully charged bite anymore..
Isaac Walker
>we still have no idea when the patch is coming
>we still don't know the remaining dlc characters
Luke Mitchell
hell yeah
If I learned anything from Smash 4's patch cycle, the characters I like are seeing nothing but buffs
Elijah Gonzalez
I can still see her getting her levin sword nerfed for some stupid ass reason.
Levi Smith
reminder snake mains are literal chads IRL and all swagless corny ass niggas need to get the fuck outta my motherfucking lobby
Levi Ward
>playing a character that needs projectiles or extended range to function.
Michael Williams
Based, Snake is one of the few top tiers that are there because of large amount of options then just big numbers and big hit boxes.
Nathaniel Smith
Hell, it's useless unless you do full charge to full bite, or full charge with the oponnent at high percentage really close to you.
Aaron Fisher
honestly. how should K.Rool be buffed.
After watching some video by a kirbyfag a week ago, It mad me realize there are a lot of bad characters who if you buff them too much, they'd feel cheap or be too good
It feels like he's bad, but if you buff him a bit he'd be really good, what's a middle ground?
Kevin Hall
Cringe: I want nerfs to high tiers and buffs to low tiers
Based: I want super buffs for low tiers
Samuel Flores
I'm expecting nothing & rightfully so because Doc is decent enough, but if we were to get something, priority would be Air Speed increase: Doc actually has worse Air Speed than in Smash 4 for whatever reason, and it screws up what could have been more reliable combos because characters can DI Away. It would also help his recovery a little, although that's a hugely overstated flaw of Doc.
Jason Mitchell
>decreased endlag on Confusion and Disable
I'm ready
Gabriel Hughes
whyd you post it twice my man
k rool should be buffed because i've been killed by link's neutral air at like 90% but i can fair a motherfucker at 160% with k rool and they'll easily live
Lucas Anderson
I wish, but they'll never do something cool like that.
Isaiah Reyes
i don't care about the "he's in" rosterfag shit but goddamn i don't like how spaced out they have it, not only for actually releasing but just telling us who the characters even are
how long are they going to drag the pass out for? i was hoping we'd get multiple but at this rate we're lucky to get fucking one
if they just dropped the rest of the fighters announcements with the update it would at least make the "leakers" fuck off for a incredibly brief period until they announce the next pass
Anthony Adams
Am I the only one that thinks that the current balance is fine lest we accidentally create something more cancerous.
Alexander Cruz
That didn't save him from nerfs in 4 and so far in Ult every patch has nerfed him
Lincoln Smith
No when this shit exists.
Jacob Rivera
Post the wolf dsmash
It's just as bad
Adrian Smith
It was an accident, my internet fucking died for a second and I wasn't sure if the first went through properly
Nolan Walker
it's an explosion, what do you want?
Ian Bailey
no because ddd has been unplayable for his entire existence and i demand fuckign JUSTICE
Brayden Edwards
>he still thinks Little Mac is an easy win
Noah Smith
Reminder that every character Yea Forums scrubs bitch about has a clear cut weakness
>Snake is slow and has to play around his own traps to compensate for his retarded setplay
>Peach is light and easy to gimp to compensate for her retarded setplay
>Pichu literally dies in two fucking smash attacks
>All the swordfags have linear as fuck recovery and die to zoning
>Palutena is slow and gets raped by rushdown
>Wario is piss easy to gimp and has predictable recovery
They could nerf every single one of these characters and you retards would just move on to bitching about the next best characters. What are you going to do when they nerf the whole cast and you still lose?
William Phillips
At shis point anything, that shit comes out extremely fast, has minimal endlag, has a massive hitbox and spikes.
Levi Bennett
stop playing against scrubs
Grayson Rogers
I really wouldn’t put it past them to make a stupid move like that. I’m just praying that they reduce the endlag on her spells, buff Nosferatu and change Arc Fire’s angle so small characters can actually be hit by it and it actually can be a reliable attack, like PK Fire.
Xavier Wood
I honestly think K.Rool is easily one of the worst characters in the game and will sooner or later fall to Mac tier. In the current state of the game, he just can't throw anything without possibly getting punished. Would need some huge overhauls to start becoming good. I know casuals hugely struggle with him, but still, there are things to be done:
>Reduce knockback on FThrow to make stuff like FThrow to Dash Attack true at Low%
>Reduce the landing lag of Forward Air more so that K.Rool can space it around safely in neutral without overcommiting
>Make Jab 1's hitbox bigger somehow
>Less endlag on UpTilt, UpAir, Neutral B
Grayson Sullivan
You obviously haven't played against them at tournament level.
Noah Thompson
Yeah, stay quiet you baiting faggot
Ayden Wilson
His up air needs the endlag removed entirely. It's so awful.
Matthew Sanders
Nobody likes Ganon and Ganon mains so I'm safe from the bullshit. Plus he got buffs in the previous patch so I could expect more buffs in this one.
Jaxon Price
>has minimal endlag
What's it like being wrong?
Josiah Watson
I would rather keep the endlag and have 1.5x launch rate
Asher Robinson
all they fucking need to do for him is let him use up b after his side b. so many other characters can pull that shit. i'd accept so many nerfs to his other shit to get even slightly better recovery
Jose Long
I have no idea why they thought the 2 seconds of endlag his UpAir has were okay. I know the move's not really that useful offstage, but still, its so dumb
Isaac Long
>decreased endlag on knee and increased sweetspot
>Recovery on missed side-b
>increased vertical height on up-b and increased knockback
>can sprint/jump out of down-b
>more range on forward-smash
WHAT else he need bros?
Jeremiah Collins
Not even just Yea Forums desu, most of the people taking competitive Ultimate seriously aren’t probably from Smash 4 where you’d see that kind of bitching all the time which created hilarious moments like youtu.be
By 2021 Smash ult will probably look the same tbqh
Eli Rodriguez
>Please be patient, I have autism.jpeg
What did he mean by this
Jordan Morgan
>tfw dedede main
>tfw terrified that smash 4's buff/nerf cycle is going to repeat itself
Liam White
We can hope anyway. Reducing the ending lag would really help as would allowing arc thunder to stun again. Or how about are fire not being cancelled out by a simple breeze and leaving a burning fire on what it hits. If they insist on keeping her spells limited then they should have something to make up for that. Still I have this nasty feeling either Levin will nerfed or she'll get nothing at all.
Kevin Fisher
A new game
Isaac Fisher
Fuck, I meant that most Ultimate tourneyfags are Sm4sh tourneyfags
Matthew Wright
Adam Baker
Absofuckinglutely. If you want a legitimately "creative" character, look no fucking further than Snake. He is "Neutral: the character" that relies on you playing better than your opponent for each interaction. None of his moves lead into another, so you just have to be better to get damage.
Sure, he may have no real combos (aside from 1 or 2), but he has dozens of confirms out of his explosions.
>Shield dropped nade
>Opponent hits it and blows up
>Predict this and prepare to short hop bair or nair
Feels good, man
My best was
>Shield drop nade
>Opponent picks it up during a dash attack
>Shield grab them
>Back throw
>Explode offstage
>I knew this would happen so I fucking got the F-air ready
>Grenade pops them into the heel of my boot and spikes them to hell
Literally the best thing I've done.
Juan Parker
Prove this image wrong
Cameron Martin
>Make Jab 1's hitbox bigger somehow
Range for the second jab should be fixed too. This shit is inexcusable.
Bentley Gutierrez
>D3 potentially might get nerfed
Good. Their can only be 1 smug God in Smash
Gavin Ortiz
All I want is for the belmonts to get nerfed. All the PK fires have nothing on the sheer amount of axe and holy water spam.
Dylan Moore
Nikita literally invalidates the recovery of half of the cast at no cost to Snake. He's probably first on the chopping block to be entirely fair with you.
Jordan Martinez
The only thing he needs is a faster dash attack, thats it and git gud
t. Falcon main
Isaiah Ross
Good thing I play RIdley, K Rool, and Duck Hunt.
Josiah Fisher
I just want to know who the next DLC character is. I find JRPGs to be boring as fuck and I've never played a Persona game so I have zero interest in Joker.
Austin Garcia
>Super armor on Nosferatu
>can choose an angle on fire/thunder ala DDD gordo
That's all I want
Jackson Butler
Pichu and Wolf are first on the chopping block though.
Daniel Taylor
You sure Snake is the most creative?
:^)
Alexander Lee
Am ready!
Ian Rodriguez
the actual tier list based on tourney results puts snake, fox & wolf at top tier
Blake Taylor
Stop being bad
Luke Ortiz
/r/ing Sean Hannity as Snake
Leo Harris
I don't give a fuck about smug, I just don't want my boy to be garbage again.
Angel Cook
>you can just air dodge his nikita
Air dodges are unusable off-stage unless you're right at the edge of the stage.
Nathaniel Cox
You clearly haven't either. Because if you have you wouldn't be fucking complaining since you'd know how to play better.
Actually pros rarely complain about characters being broken.
Henry James
>Raptor boost detector activating frame 6 to frame 2, disjoint the detector or remove his hurt box on his hand
>Make his turnaround dash from frame 13 to frame 9 like the rest of the cast, its such a weird flaw
>Increase his initial dash speed
>Increase hitbox sizes on Jab, back air, and up air
>Remove his hurtbox from being extended on uptilt since its supposed to be an intangible anti-air, or redesign it to make it like sheik's
>Remove his hurtbox from upsmash since its supposed to be intangible as well, or redesign it
>Make f-smash a lasting hitbpox or lower down the endlag to compensate for gutted range
he's so half baked bros
Hunter Long
None of these really matter because these moves are kind of niche to begin with. I think Falcon could use:
>A bigger hitbox for UpAir: At the current state of the move, I don't think its possible to hit small characters with landing UpAir at all. Also, maybe make the angle more vertical to enable stuff like Landing UpAir to Knee kill confirms more conveniently
>More hitstun or less endlag on DownThrow
>Maybe a slight landing lag reduction of Back Air so he can space them around more freely at High% to fish for kills with it
He doesn't need that much
Aiden Bell
neutral air dodge
it has the least amount of ending lag
Colton Garcia
Cooper Edwards
That's not the point. The point is most of Yea Forums plays on quickplay against scrubs and literal fucking children and it is this experience that motivates a large portion of these complaints. Nobody here complains that Snake is absolute hell to deal with because they just came back from a regional and experienced top tier Snake play, they come here after losing to an underage quickpkay troll who spams Grenades and Nikita and go WAAAH WAAAAH NERF THE FUCKING GAME SAMOORAI!!!!"
Which is why he says that if they have it their way and the entire cast gets nerfed, it doesn't matter because they still fucking suck and, really, the only ones suffering from good characters beong nerfed are high level players. THIS is exactly why nobody should listen to fucking casuals when they talk about game balance because casuals are low effirt mongoloids who want everything to be easy.
Patricians ask for bad characters to be buffef, not good characters to be nerfed. Lowering the bar to appease losers with a fragile ego is never a good idea. Starting to attend tournaments has opened my eyes wide to what exactly is a competitive mentalityand what a legit complaint about the game looks like and Yea Forumsirgin scrubs talk the way a fucking casual scrub baby talks.
Matthew Wood
we're safe, lads
Asher Cox
Based. Fuck Yea Forums and it's bandwagon hatred.
Remember Young Link?
Remember K. Rool?
All they want to do is blame their incompetence on something that isn't their own terrible skill level.
Oliver Rodriguez
I honestly think Mii Swordfighter is fine as is. Main reason why you don’t see him is because he’s just not popular as a character also not completely braindead.
Grayson Brooks
>doc gets hard buffs
>pacman gets buffs
>luigi gets buffs
No need to
Sebastian Bell
>Actually pros rarely complain about characters being broken
LOL, THIS GUY
they either used said broken characters for free $$$, or complain about top tiers while using a A tier, or both
Austin Brooks
Pac's high tier, he doesn't need buffs
Anthony Ramirez
i wasn't complaining about these characters to begin with, its that in tournament level anyone who is not retarded knows how to mitigate their character's weaknesses.
Angel Reyes
True, I'd take that. I got extremelly good offstage with Ganon...as far as offstage Ganon can go, but he still has terrible offstage presence and is easy to gimp. Up B out of side B would vastly inprove my entire arsenal come to think of it.
Owen Murphy
>also not completely braindead
the throwing anus plays neutral for him
Bentley Jenkins
All we need is B-Throw and Side B buffs and we can become zone/rushdown hybrid gods
Brandon Roberts
Just buff everyone I don't give a shit
All I want to say is FUCK OLIMAR AND FUCK PIKMIN
Thomas Hill
Dr. Mario is very strong and a completely underrated character.
Josiah Rogers
Literally every tournament tier list would beg to differ.
He's mid/low tier. Needs more kill options aside from hard Smash reads and Bell fishing
Nicholas Johnson
LITERALLY NOBODY GAVE A FUCK ABOUT PAC MAN BEFORE HE STARTED SEEING TOURNAMENT PLAY
WHat is wrong with you people.
Stop trying to predict who is tyop or bottom tier before the game is even a year old, god damn.
Noah Baker
For the love of god, buff her already. She literally has nothing going for her.
Joseph Butler
As usual, retards don't know what they're talking about.
Nicholas Martin
imo Pichu, Lucina, Peach, Wolf, and Pikachu could all use nerfs to make their offense slightly less oppressive, overall a pretty based list though
Jackson Roberts
Why is online so bad? Shits choppy as hell
Noah Jenkins
She probably won't get nerfed and that's good enough for me.
Ayden Gonzalez
Z axis is a bitch
Dominic Richardson
>Snake getting all these 7s
Nice
Mason Williams
Reminder if you think any character needs to be nerfed you're an online shitter and your opinion is irelevant only buffs are needed
Jaxson Lewis
Gavin Reed
>declared Top tiers are in top 8
>minus my boy Tea who styled on Tweek and Dabuz with God tier Pac plays
If you're calling out Snakefags, cool.
Zachary White
Small nerfs are fine. Outright guttings are not needed for any character. Ultimate is really well balanced.
Nathan Gray
ANOTHER ONE
Luis James
Quite frankly, i'm not trying to pretend anyone is particularly broken right now, or even strongly advocate for any nerfs myself, i'd rather see bad characters being buffed. However, it is very delightful seeing all kinds of bandwagoners or even high to top level players overstate & dramatise the nerfs of their fair Top threat or how we'll be descending into the downfall of the meta with X character not being able to be there for Y character who's kind of lame, or any other reason.
At the end of the day, as you've said, it doesn't matter to me. I'm an average faggot who won't sit out of their bed and just watches JP Vods, even did so for the worse part of Smash 4's meta, because it entertained me. But do keep taking things seriously, I have not much to lose given my low standards, but I have a good laugh to win at the sight of any nerf, no matter how weak, to some of you faggots.
Austin Gray
Just fucking buff her for fucks sake.
Kevin Davis
>Everyone says the best characters are the smaller, faster ones.
>I’m only good with heavyweights like Dedede, Bowser, and Incineroar.
I can get to Elite Smash with those guys but make me play Fox and I fall apart
Jack Ward
Why waste time on nerfs when you can make other characters more fun to play
Adam James
>buffing all high tiers except Link, Ivysaur, and Chrom
>Mac not in "Big buffs"
Shit list
Julian Smith
just play richter
Leo Rogers
Because a giant fuckfest of everything being broken isn't fun either. A game filled with B+/A tier characters is a lot more interesting than a game with nothing but S tier characters.
John Reed
Because some characters are unfun to play in certain match-ups, and no amount of buffs could fix it
Lucas Anderson
Nikita would have been nerfed in the 2.0.0 patch if it's as broken as you think it is, 2bh.
Connor Ward
We're actually going to wait till 25 right...?
Nathan Ward
You can't make Mac a good character without removing what makes him unique no matter how hard you try. Giving up his ground game for more air game just removes him being Mac.
Angel Carter
Fox is easy though, just spam dash attacks and nair for days and you win
t. DDD/Fox main
Christian Myers
Never said he was the most creative. But Pac-man is also v creative.
Jordan Reed
Its looking that way.
Hunter Cook
Get better at air dodging. Neutral air dodge has the MOST invincibility frames and the LEAST endlag.
You don't always need to directional air dodge.
Tyler Adams
>Patricians ask for bad characters to be buffef, not good characters to be nerfed.
The ideal situation would be minor nerfs to the top tier characters and major buffs to the bottom tier characters. Top tiers already have inherently strong toolsets that make them excel in the Ultimate engine.
In reality, the buffing and nerfing of characters will look really wonky to everyone who takes offline competitive seriously because of Sakurai's team's commitment to use the Online usage/data to balance the cast. Next patch notes are going to be a shit storm precisely because of the shitty state of online play in Ultimate.
Josiah Ramirez
I vehemently disagree with that
Theres gonna be bad match ups no matter what, play a different character or deal with it
Charles Sanchez
giving him a way out of his forward special was necessary even if this breaks this initial vision.
Robert Nelson
Do Smash patches ever make a big enough change for you to truly notice and feel it?
Jaxson Howard
Now that I think about it, Young Link's results plateau'd after month 1. I don't he sucks, but what gives, even normal Link sees more use, what gives?
David Roberts
>I vehemently disagree with that
That's okay, user. I just fail to see how broken on top of broken on top of broken could possibly be fun for anybody. When everything is strong, nothing feels strong anymore.
Benjamin Gomez
How the heck do you find locals?
Tyler Barnes
Incineroar's recovery buff was pretty damn massive
Alexander Watson
I don't main Bayo, but I need somebody to fucking HELP HER.
Caleb Thompson
>A game filled with B+/A tier characters is a lot more interesting than a game with nothing but S tier characters.
user, nothing about this sentence makes any sense.
Jeremiah Sanchez
Bomb is easier to set up for kills
Nolan Gomez
Only the biggest changes do.
In Smash 4, characters such as Marcina & Mewtwo were really noticeably better that any player would notice it. A bit more subtle but still noticeable would be some of the weaker swordsman like Ike or Shulk that got damage buffs & landing lag reductions throuhghout the game. Reverse scenario is also noticeable for the likes of Diddy, of course.
So far, in Ultimate, not much is particularly huge. I guess any Incineroar main would have noticed the better recovery even without notes, and maybe Mii Brawler's buffs, although I as someone who plays a bit of Mii Brawler, think they're more negligeable than most would think.
Majority of buffs are insignificant.
Caleb Wilson
>people dash attack through my inhale from the front
>flightless humanoids outspeed me in midair
>my already shit smash attacks have sour spots for no good reason
Jonathan Cox
there is some SNES sailor moon fighting game where every char is broken as fuck, if you believe that is good game design then you are an idiot
but yeah i guess that also makes it pretty unique
Sebastian Roberts
Watching broken shit happen non-stop is not interesting nor fun.
Alexander Perry
He's a lighter Link, you're going to get dumpstered using him if you arent more respectful of your opponent.
Tweek only uses Y. Link where he thinks his opponent is easy to beat, same with his Ridley. Once he gets his sandbagging ass handed to him, he immediately pussies out and swaps to Wolf.
Soooooo happy Tea dumpstered that disgusting Leffen wannabe
Robert Cruz
His kill power is just way to low his low lag really does not make up for it
>I just fail to see how broken on top of broken on top of broken could possibly be fun for anybody.
Have you never played a balanced fighting game before? But realistically theres no way smash can be balanced with 70+ characters its amazing how good they have it already
Thomas Lopez
There's a reason games like the SNES Sailor Moon aren't popular. Shit gets old really fucking fast.
Bentley Butler
Shulk gangg
Jonathan Jones
I dare compare. Marvel made a community on this aspect alone for like the 90s and 00s.
Jaxon Hill
Anyone that plays at a high level that uses a pocket Wolf is a faggot.
Xavier Reyes
Link kills stupid early
Ian Green
>When everything is strong, nothing feels strong anymore.
What are you getting at here, exactly? Are you complaining about balance? The characters are on roughly equal footing so nothing feels super powerful since everyone is powerful?
I'm really not sure what you're getting at in complaining about the possibility of all characters being good instead of just nerfing the very best.
Justin Wood
>Have you never played a balanced fighting game before?
Every character being S tier isn't a balanced game, user, what the fuck.
Brody Clark
GIVE ALT COSTUMES
Ian Allen
twitch.tv
Come watch infinitesimal Leff get shit on in a weekly. Nearly every big name from Prime is here.
Evan Walker
That's 80% of top players.
Daniel Lewis
user thats different those characters are broken on a functional level not just that they're good and any way that game is super hype so so your not really proving your point.
Jaxon Murphy
I hope Wolf doesn't get nerfed, he's the best representation of fundamental skills in this game. Yes, even if his blaster is stupid strong, that's the point.
Jack Thompson
Who in /guaranteed buff gang/ here?
Jaxson Baker
Nairo doesn't though.
Levi Scott
Found your theme song
youtube.com
David Bailey
What broken shit, though? What are you talking about?
All anyone asked for was improving the weaker characters rather than only nerfing the top characters.
Jaxon Garcia
Yeah, that's because, as I said, Sakurai and his team are commited to listen to the casuals because Sakurai is stubborn in wanting to priorize the children over the people who actually deeply care about his product and who could help him make it better through experienced feedback. This is a mistake Sakurai makes and I'm sure he doesn't even notice. It's just his general disdain for tourneyfaggotry that makes him have some form of instinctive distrust of the opinion of autists who care way too much about his party game, but what he ends up doing is taking data from scrubs, trolls, lazy casuals and campers mixed in with the terrible online lag and, as you said, uses this as the base to work on a patch. It ends up creating unecessary nerfs and buffs that you wonder why the fuck did anyone think of making that move/character better in that specific way?
The irony is if Salurai listened to tourneyfags, everyone including the kiddies would get a better game, but since he'd rather pool data from said kiddies anyways because "muh casual family experience" who only ever care about exploiting the cheesiest gimmick, we end up with stupid patches instead.
Nicholas Russell
>user thats different those characters are broken on a functional level
They're all broken as fuck and good. This is exactly what you say and think is okay.
>and any way that game is super hype
It really isn't. It's called a Kusoge for a reason.
Angel Walker
Whatever gets people crying the most.
Seems like Wolf is among the most popular & beloved Top threat since he just clicks with many people, so if he gets nerfed, it would be a fun shitshow to watch for sure.
Henry King
80% user.
Not 100%.
I said deliberately choose a percentage lower than 100% for a reason
Camden Anderson
I just started playing Ken recently, and whenever I fight someone relying on doing neutral airs, I can easily shoryuken them. Then they just keep doing it. It's really satisfying and makes me feel like I'm vanquishing evil.
Ayden Martinez
How about you learn to read the chain.
Original user 1 said that no character should ever be nerfed, ever. Only buffing weak ones.
I replied that small nerfs are fine in combination with buffing weak characters.
Hudson Walker
Every or most characters being good and usable at a top level is a balanced game
Samuel Morris
>he just clicks with people
He's just really easy lol.
Try him out.
Daniel Kelly
I am.lucky enough to live near Montreal which has one of the biggest Smash scene in the world.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
The only pros who don't have a Wolf are the literal faggots though, like Samsora, Esam, and Ally.
Jacob Edwards
>1 other shulk chad in this thread
Yea Forums i am dissapoint
Austin Perez
Can she just not be ass? I don't even main her but she's just SO BAD Like, can she just kill earlier and have more range on her smash attacks? Also, can she have an actual jab? I don't want my only kill option is to fair carry to the blast zone, even if it's fun to do
Jason Garcia
Buff Sheik, I need my bad bitch
Jacob Baker
>The sound of your crutch top tiers about to be nerfed.
I don't have any proof for this but I guarantee that it'll be like Sm4sh where they'll only get slaps on the wrists.
Sebastian Russell
Any local facebook group or discords in your region
Austin Lee
ESAM is gay? Shocker.
Boring game, even more boring character. Go figure, the most fun people get playing Shulk is picking his underpants alt and thinking they're an epic troll
Daniel Mitchell
Thats the complete opposite of balanced. Every character being jank as fuck makes the game bad on a fundamental level.
Carter Rogers
That's irony, right? You don't actually think Snake is "honest" do you?
Jackson Wright
>every character being in the same tier isn't more balanced than characters being in different tiers
Explain.
Also, what? My understanding is that S tier is meant for when one or a couple characters are far and away the best in the game and no one else can really compete if the player is half competent.
You know, like Meta Knight in Brawl.
Everyone being in S tier doesn't make any sense.
Aaron Edwards
Ally is literally based though.
Alexander Young
>SPEED!
>just attack blindly as he approaches, he's can't even handle his own speed, alway get him
>SMASH/BUSTER!
>shield and punish, he'll always smash
>SHIELD!
>run away from him
>JUMP!
>get him he's fucking useless
b-based
Hunter Rodriguez
>Boring game
>Even more boring character
That's really low effort my man.
Jayden Baker
He was going to cheat on CaptainZack with Zackray though.
Justin White
Is he the one who fucked Cpt Zack while he was a minor and Ally was like 25 or something
Brody Wood
Would you be able to name a fightan that has that level of balance at the top of play?
Jackson Johnson
I'm aware that he's not particularly difficult, but he also has unique threats that make people want to stick with the character, like great air speed that enables crossups & safety, good hitboxes, strong reward off of whatever reads he can get from various situations, and overall, just a lot of options in neutral & advantage.
Logan Barnes
his name implies more killing people and less being a scumbag zionist politician.
Dylan Reed
>Every character being jank as fuck
What does this have to do with the thread? Who was arguing for jank?
Ayden Cooper
Okay sorry when most people say broken they just mean really good, I dont want characters to be literally broken like they could phase through the stage or something like that
>kusoge
Please form your own opinions
Nathaniel Scott
The number of shulk fags in this thread seems to support my viewpoint.
Brody Hernandez
I want an online overhaul more than anything. Fuck GSP, piece of shit system is literally the most retarded garbage ever
Gavin Bennett
Yeah. Because the options are fucking easy to pull off lol.
Everyone pockets him because of how quick and easy it is to "master" him
Luis Davis
People see the sword and get intimidated.
Hes fun to play
Parker Lewis
yall niggas dont know shit about game balance
James Scott
A character doesnt need to be "jank" to compete with others
guilty gear xrd rev 2 is pretty good
Cameron Bell
None of the Fire Emblem characters are overpowered in any capacity. They rely purely on fundamentals and have no particular strengths. If anything, Corrin and Robin need buffs.
What actually need nerfs are Olimar, Peach, and Wario.
Alexander Martin
>Elite Smash
Doesn't matter and most people get there through troll rulesets or never rematching good opponents. Heavyweights are SS tier online anyways
Asher Thomas
I tried to main Shulk because he is fun as fuck, but he's really complicated to get good with.
Adam Miller
He's not hard to play, and his gimmick isnt that fun outside of casual memes with friends.
He's boring, not that good, and comes from a Literal Who franchise. I'm surprised he got in.
Bentley Davis
Sakurai literally, and I mean LITERALLY, said that he would NOT listen to the internet when it comes to balancing. Explicitly referring to how the balance patches in Smash 4 went too far.
He said the exact opposite of what you think Sakurai will do.
Carter Phillips
>no particular strengths
>above average range, knockback, and frame data
Christian Ross
Dope, do you go to Smash loft and face Ally and Venom and the others?
Christopher King
>Trying this hard
Eli Lopez
You keep saying that, but we still have no sign of 3.0 or Joker. They have to pick up the pace if these characters are actually going to be out by Feb 2020
Charles Long
>complicated
Lmao. You literally only need Buster and Smash and then eventually learn to fake out your opponent while using said abilities.
Hes not complicated. Just very bad and could use buffs.
Ethan Ramirez
WHY THE FUCK DON'T DEDEDE'S ALTS CHANGE HIS HAMMER
FUCKING GOD THE HAMMER LOOKS SO BAD ON THE GAMEBOY ALT
James Davis
>He said the exact opposite of what you think Sakurai will do.
But on the other hand, Sakurai sometimes says the exact opposite of what he ends up doing.
What a conundrum.
Cameron Smith
I do have to admit I'm still asshurt from 4 and that the last patch for U was actually good. It's hard for me to trust in him again after all tge shitshow he pulled in 4.
Andrew Brooks
>no argument
Dont you have some online matches to get 3-0'd in? Or a local to lose?
Alexander Phillips
>mfw R.O.B. main
>mfw afraid of getting nerfed b/c I've seen people are calling him good this game unlike sm4sh and brawl
Jaxon Cox
>people STILL think heavies are going to be buffed
REMINDER THAT SMASH ULTIMATE IS BALANCED AROUND ELITE SMASH, -NOT- TOURNAMENTS
Joshua Smith
I'm really out of the loop, why is Olimar considered so good now?
Ethan Robinson
>ridley/kroll/incenroar
>Buffs
Why are heavyfags absolute paint-snuffingly delusional
Jaxson Davis
H-H-H-H-HE WON A RECENT TOURNAMENT. SO HE NEEDS TO BE GUTTED
Easton Rodriguez
Let's get this bread, boys.
Jaxon Barnes
Thought YB's good placing at Prime Saga as a " Wifi Warrior " would raise some interest for the JP Wifi metagame, so here's the Top 10 ranked players for Smashmate, the JP Smashladder equivalent. YB is here, having changed his name to " PrimeSaga " given that he was going there & is still there for a bit.
Ryder Garcia
Possible, but based on the patches that we've had, and how good the 2.0.0 patch was, he's doing exactly what he said.
Bentley Bennett
Pixie character with strong zoning, a disjoint, absurdly buffed recovery (seriously, Sakurai, what the fuck were you thinking?), and absurdly strong damage output. If there was anything I'd touch on this character, it would be to gut his recovery and leave his other tools intact so that there would be reason for him to shit out damage while he's on-stage.
Aaron Diaz
They wouldn’t hurt my baby boy after being one of the worst melee characters and making him good from his 17 year absence right? RIGHT?
Gabriel Young
I wish I could see quickplay stats.
Dylan Brooks
they should make his recovery like how it was in brawl tbqh
Jeremiah Wilson
I am about to go. I live pretty far enough that going there weekly would be too expensive in gas, so I stick to small local toyrneys and a monthly event at Arcade MTL( a arcade bar that opened 3 years ago downtown. Do go there if you ever visit MTL), I am starting slow to build up some experience in small casual tourneys. There are about 4-5 good players from the venues who show up and the rest are pretty casual, but it being a casual bar experience help ease myself a lot more. It sounds casual as fuck, but I've attended one serious Melee tournament where Vwins showed up out of fucking nowhere and also had Lunardusk before ge got known and even if it's a casual bar tourney, it's still every bit a legit one. It's just entry level.
I have to admit I am scared to show up there and experience true skill, but I really want to git gud and I have sone of the best players in the world I can practice with so I'll start going this summer. I finished 5th in last weekend's tourney and starting to feel more and more confident. Before my tourney experience, those shit smash threads actually got to me and losing to discord namefags in the Yea Forumskends destroyed my swlf-confidence, now I care more about getting better than winning. I'd rather keep that desire for when I actually compete.
Tyler Lewis
cant wait till he's reverted back to melee self.
Jacob Hall
A good and honest main
John Fisher
If anything, Snake will be nerfed to hell and back (Meaning Nikita will have a bigger hurtbox and not reactivate.) Thatd all he really needs for nerfs, there isnt much else you can do to tone down the annoyance of Snake
Noah Adams
>None of the Fire Emblem characters are overpowered in any capacity. They rely purely on fundamentals and have no particular strengths.
Easiest way to spot swordie mains is when they spout this bullshit. Lucina in particular literally has no downsides while having god-tier edgeguarding, recovery, kill confrims, and overall amazing frame data and priority on all of her moves and is THE easiest character to pick up and play on top of all of that.
Go play Cloud, Mario, or Pit if you want an "honest" fundamentals character that isn't overtuned to hell
Joseph Ortiz
lmao dude olimar literally has buggy smash attacks, hes not able to gain more strenght if charged, and even with that he is still considered a top tier by everybody
Nathaniel Morgan
My thoughts exactly. I'm fine with him being an absolute monster on-stage in exchange for having a piss poor recovery to balance that out. Pixie Chrom, essentially.
Jackson Flores
The FE swordies aren't as oppressive as you think.Stop fucking bitching and learn to play the game.
t. Ridley/K Rool/Duck hunt main.
Thomas Rivera
Does a character need to have downsides?
Wouldnt it be better if no character had downsides? Lucina is perfectly balanced as is, other characters just need to be buffed to her level.
Stop asking for nerfs.
Ask for buffs instead
Leo Kelly
Snake just wants to live a quiet life.
He goes out of his way to make sure that he's playable, but never top tier, evidenced by his collection of b tier rankings.
Caleb Torres
>FEfags
>implying this faggot is getting nerfed
If anything he'll get a (minor) buff.
Owen Gutierrez
Careful there pal, some guy is going to claim you want Smash to be literally broken like some SNES Sailor Moon fighter no one was talking about.
Thomas Phillips
Tbh Snake isnt actually a character, its Nikita that everyone needs to shit on to get rid of
Logan Ward
hell no
get rid of pichu instead
Grayson Johnson
twitch.tv
It's starting.
Samuel Lee
Take this with a grain of salt. Except for Sonic players.
Jeremiah Anderson
No, remove olimar instead
Nicholas Cox
>Does a character need to have downsides?
A character with no weaknesses is, imo, the perfect character. That said, the only """""downside""""" to Lucina is that she has no projectile to force characters to come to her in the neutral. Her other numerous strengths more than make up for it, though. I'd personally put a minor nerf to her damage output by a percent or two for all her moves and buff Marth's tipper mechanic (additional multiplier to damage or make them safer on shields) to really reward solid spacing. That way, people will have a reason to use the First Lord over the currently-superior descendent/echo.
Logan Myers
Snakes Nikita invalidates most recoveries
I think its fair to say its the best projectile in the game and a bit bullshit at that.
At least Pichu needs time to recover after being hit
Oliver Clark
Buddy I was just referencing the JoJo reference
Jace Ramirez
Nikita is just a safe edgegaurding too, nothing more. If you can't air dodge it then you just suck.
Michael Scott
It is just people who are upset that a character like Olimar is top tier instead of their "based" character. There are a few characters better than him, but everyone cries for Olimar nerfs more than anyone else and he also has no online presence.
Elijah Torres
That is a interesting top ten. I'd really like to see some high level Robin play and try to learn from that.
Jaxson Howard
>Airdodge the projectile that moves at variable speed and can hang at the edge
Logan Morales
>using Ike's Greil colors makes someone a cuck
Chase Robinson
I hope this is bait
Adam Peterson
Reporting in. Surviving another patch for free
Evan Jenkins
It's pretty easy with enough practice. Besides, there's far more annoying edgeguarding tools in the game like ROB's side B offstage which basically invalidates a lot of recoveries as well, and not to mention pretty safe to use since ROB can return back to the stage safely.
Jackson Fisher
He isn't good at all, but it makes him extremely annoying to fight.
Adrian Ross
Specifically what makes him so good in ultimate though as compared to 4? Just general system changes or did he get a fuckload of buffs?
Chase Barnes
>mfw he gets nerfed
do people not know how to beat a glass cannon or something? You just attack and win
Owen Butler
Could someone tell me why Nintendo, after TWO OTHER games that have online, STILL can't get it to function properly? I don't want to abuse attacks that take advantage of lag, I just want to play the game
Jeremiah Powell
Expecting nothing, hoping for extended grab range. There's a metric fuckton of characters that need help way more than Ridley does right now.
Well, you're right about the first part.
Logan Baker
are you joking or what
Jack Richardson
Because shitty online is cheap
Camden Reed
Fix his Up B and let his Down B instantly kill at 100+ percent.. Literally all he fucking needs, please.
Jeremiah Parker
It seems to be a low priority with them, which makes it even worse now that you have to pay for the damn thing.
William Gray
The current talk among pros regarding a fair nerf to Olimar would be to make the reward for KILLING his pikmen greater. At the moment it's a minor inconvenience for Olimar and it takes nothing for him to pluck more.
Dylan King
>Wolf is broken, those twitter screencaps that show him killing with down smash proves it!
Wyatt Myers
there is nothing safer than throwing a projectile (while opponent is in disadvantage), you could argue that other characters have better edgeguards but snake's is definitely the best+safest in the entire game
Aaron Stewart
Bro I don’t understand, what’s he supposed to be hitting? I don’t see anything.
Austin Richardson
A lot of good buffs in general. The main ones being
>UpSmash is a safe on shield combo starter that can lead to 50+% combos
>Whistle/Down B now has its super armor as early as Frame 2, rendering it a good way to mess up with combos & reset neutral more easily
Nicholas Gonzalez
>affably evil
I chortled. I play Pac, Wario and Wii Fit and those are all pretty accurate. Where the fuck is Wario Land, Nintendo
Wyatt Russell
>main villager
>get pretty good with him, but am still very aware of his shortcoming
>try out captain falcon
>I am speed, I am death in the form of U-tilts and U-airs
>only played the cap for the last two weeks
Give it to me straight, is he in for a nerf?
Nathaniel Russell
No need to defend your bar, bro. Going to any venue, no matter how "entry level" is leagues better than shitting it up on wifi and beating scrubs. Getting real practice vs real opponents will always be better.
And based on every experience and the words of others, the pros (especially in smaller venues) WANT to play you. They would love to have side events with you and give you tips.
Ally is one of my favs so I watch the Smashloft sets often, and I see Ally helping his opponents literally between games.
Wyatt Cruz
Not likely, in fact I'm expecting him to get indirect buffs in the form of bug fixes.
Eli Diaz
Not even close, if anything, he could get buffed. Emphasis on " could " though, because he's not that bad at the end of the day: Probably average to below average still.
Asher Clark
If that is the case, then, probably a moderate nerf to Pikmin damage without flower and a slight buff to Pikmin with flower would probably be the trick, then. Minor nerf to their health would be in order if Olimar could just pluck them so quickly. Those are my thoughts based on what the pros are saying regarding the character.
Gavin Morgan
>Using lowtiergod as evidence
>Using the man who call Urien mid-tier despite being high tier so he doesn't look like a bitch and ruin his name
Jordan Russell
if you've ever played him in any other smash game other than brawl then ultimate falcon feels extremely half baked
he just needs a faster turn around speed and faster initial dash speed because theres literally no reason his initial dash is as fast as link's
Adam Flores
As a Snake main, we don't even go for Nikita as much as you think. Most of the time, characters aren't off stage long enough for Nikita to be worth it. Usually by the time I pull it out, you're too close to the edge before I can turn it or have already passed by it. If you are a high enough percent where there is enough time for Nikita, ya you're fucked, but you likely wouldn't have recovered vs palu or Wolf or Lucina or anyone else at that percent either.
The vast majority of the time I'll go for 2x shield drop nade, up smash, roll back and charge down smash. Covers nearly every option.
Luke Martinez
If only wifi could be as reliable for everyone as it is in Japan. They don't have much issues in the way of online play as a whole, so being a wifi warrior there is hardly frowned upon. If anything, I couldn't list you one player currently considered to be one of Japan's best who doesn't have a Smashmate account or popped up in the Tamisuma Japanese Online tournaments, some more than others however.
Hudson Harris
Why would they nerf him? Isn't he like, completely average?
Jonathan Young
What advice would you give for a new Snake player? He seems very weird to use.
Josiah Robinson
Charles Cook
Oh It's more that I like to sell the place because I really love it. Original Super Turbo, Killer Instinct, Turtles in Time and MK2 cabinets only to name a few, Tournaments and events every weekend, console setups, surprising anmount of cute girls. It earned itself a reputation as a tourust spot worldwide last I heard.
Woolie and Matt showed up there once for a Wrestling game tourney and Lunardusk showed up there two weeks ago for the Melee tourney.
Anyways, chill place, 7 bucks cover and every cabinet and consoles are free.
Gavin Reed
Man sometimes I dream to see how retarded Duck Hunt's ledge game would be if he had Snake's mortar UpSmash. That move is legitimately dumb & I think most Snake mains are underselling it. Just fucking imagine the reliability of the Can at ledge combined with free coverage of the remaining options with the Mortar. Literally unbeatable.
Zachary Watson
wolf is quite strong and you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise
Charles Powell
Change characters, he's about to get nerfed
Parker Nelson
Based Chadondorf
Hunter Thompson
I mean, there's a shit ton. Anything specifically?
Jacob Lewis
Grenade tossing probably.
Zachary Jenkins
Zone with grenades to force your opponent to approach
Lay C4 in places where you think your opponent will land to either trigger it or force a commital option like a Double Jump or Airdodge that you can capitalize on with various moves.
Do remember Grenades come out Frame 1 so they can fuck with your opponent's combos and get you out of Disadvantage.
Speaking of Disadvantage, do keep C4 available when possible because it opens up more options for Snake when recovering. Obviously blowing yourself up if you can't recover ( which rarely happens ) and if you're recovering high, pressuring the opponent into not going for juggles on you, meaning you can reset neutral more easily.
When playing upclose or trying to get an opponent off of your face, Down Air Out of Shield is your fastest option: Its first hit actually comes out Frame 3, making it a deceptively fast option to use.
Snake mains ITT will be able to add to what i've said, I'm not a Snake main but I play Random to a somewhat competent level for most fighters and i've tried to do a general effort to understand the basics of most fighters, to help myself in the matchups as well.
Jose Nelson
>Do you hear that?
What? The deafening silence of Nintendo not announcing anything on the topic?
Anthony Cooper
Pac-man!
Mason Gutierrez
snake nerf: no grenade can be thrown until first thrown grenade has already exploded. get fucked.
Michael Parker
Learn to shield drop nades well. Turn around, pull grenade, hold b and walk backwards to your opponent. Grenade is now closer to your opponent and will likely blow up with any attack.
Learn how to cook nades. Pull one nade, shield drop it. Pull another and toss it, then toss the dropped nade. Things like that.
Be aware of all of your explosives at all damn times. It's hard to get at first, but anticipate an explosion that will hit your opponent so you can be there to intercept with an aerial like back air.
Many people don't know this, but you can cancel shield with up smash. This means that you don't have to wait for the shield drop animation and can just instant do upsmash. So with this knowledge......
You can Shield drop nade into up smash. Which is a very effective wall. Salem is the most technical Snake and does this all the time. He's so fucking fast with the shield drop that you don't even see the shield and it looks like he somehow drops a grenade into upsmash.
Shield dropping nades is important. As is knowing cooking timings.
Jack Brooks
>tournaments mean fucking everything
Shut the fuck up. I'm so sick of tierfags ruining this game
Juan Hall
Adding on to my post, get comfy with recovering high.
Snake's disadvantage is NOT as bad as people think it is, especially when you recover high.
>Recover high
>Fast fall
>Neutral air dodge
Neutral air dodge has MORE i-frames than directional air dodge while also having significantly less endlag. Doing a neutral air dodge combined with a fast fall makes you pretty much invincible for the entirety of time you're falling.
Also, landing from doing the above and proceeding to kill with an uptilt is a shockingly consistent option.
Alexander Wright
That flat out isnt fair. Let's give Ganon all the tools to kill anyone at 30% AND guarantee that he gets back on stage?
I thought you faggots wanted a "balanced" game
Hunter Flores
>H-H-HOW DARE PEOPLE PLAYING CHARACTERS AT THEIR BEST HELP DETERMINE BALANCING!!!
>W-WE GOTTA NERF X BECAUSE I CANT BEAT THEM ON WIFI AND ALPHARAD MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THEM ON REDDIT
If I learned anything from gaming, it's that casual fags should shut the fuck up about balancing.
Levi Cox
Normally I'd point and laugh at how Yea Forums thinks they know how to balance a fighting game and realize they're talking about smash...and laugh harder.
Alexander Brown
Thanks for your opinion.
Luis Morgan
What if Ridley had a Peach hover.
Leo James
But if there arent any S tiers, then the A tiers become the S tiers
Hudson Edwards
>tfw your main is perfect the way they are
Just leave em' be Sakurai
Nathaniel Flores
>character isnt top tier so theyre trash episode
Man, they've been puttin a lot of reruns recently.