Sekiro

>Making the right choice makes the game shorter

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Yeah that shit kinda burned me. That's maybe the biggest complaint I have with that game because you either
>NG+ with harder enemies (not that bad t b h)
>start from scratch

The right choice was to stop playing, so yeah.

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Sucks even more because there is no build variety

>Wolf becomes Hitler literally
kek

you made the wrong choice

I still don't understand how that makes sense.

Sekiro is loyal to Kuro because of the Iron Code

Sekiro betrays his father and betrays the Iron Code to side with Kuro, except he was only protecting Kuro because of said Iron Code.

It makes zero sense. Why would Sekiro betray his father and the Iron Code to protect some random person like Kuro who was nothing to him. Remember Sekiro protects Kuro because of the code not because he cares about him on a personal level. When the hell did Sekiro start caring about what happens to Kuro beyond "because the Code told me to care".

The Iron Code prioritizes father over master. By obeying the iron code Wolf does what he’s been doing all his life.

wolf obeying the iron code is canon and more in line with eastern narratives(or really any non western narrative)

he said right at the start that he has to follow kuro but that kuro is only #2.
owls word overrides kuros.

>game gives diolague choice to help kuro end immortality or not
>can't choose not to because wolf can't break iron code
>suddenly wolf can betray iron code
wtf

Exactly im sayong Sekiro betrays his Owl makes no sense.

Have patience. From is still in the process of discovering what protagonist character writing is.

>some random person like Kuro who was nothing to him
I refuse to believe you are this autistic.
Not meme autism, but actually unable to comprehend social relationships autistic.

they barely had a social relationship

This has to be bait, no way someone can be this lacking in empathy.

Sekiro has been watching over Kuro since he was a baby. Surely he cares more for him than the father who literally tried to kill him.

so can I get all the endings minus sura rolled into one?
do I need to do things in a specific order? I just beat up the birdman.

>empathy
Wolf is constantly portrayed as a stoic character that wouldn't break the code he had his entire life

>the right choice
He tried to kill Sekiro before, for no reason to boot
the correct choice was to plunge a sword through his spine as revenge

You should be able to relate then.

You can get all 3 non shura endings endings if you back up your save right before the final choice. Be sure you have the other 2 unlocked before you get the dragon tears

not an argument

Does Sekiro still have resurrection abilities in the Return ending?

Yeah as a bodyguard. Kuro means nothing to him and Sekiro is always portrayed as stoic, so tell me when did Sekiro starts actually caring about him ok a personal level because the game does a shit job at showing it.

He straight up calls betraying Kuro heresy when you fight Genichiro.

because of the iron code

Says who?

Kuro's charisma and goodwill for other people made Wolf respect him a lotb plus Wolf would be dead without Kuro, so Wolf pretty much owes him his life. He's also a shinobi, who are kown for having no regards for codes and doing that what benefits them the most. His loyalty to Kuro was worth more to him than some meaningless code by his adoptive father.

the entire story that led up to that moment

I suppose you take everything as face value. I would assume the intent is that there might be a relationship bigger than just following the orders of protecting the kid between Kuro and Wolf, through you the player who self inserts into Wolf I guess. That's how I saw it imo. Might be wrong though.

I agree that it could have been shown more. I wish there was more humanizing moments for Sekiro and Kuro, like when Kuro made the rice balls for Sekiro.

so why did he protect kuro to begin with?

Because he is follwoing the code at that point.

Find one moment where he says he's following Kuro strictly because of the iron code before Genichiro. Just one.

the first scene of the game

>self inserts
It's not an RPG user.

He was tasked to it and decided to keep protecting him through loyalty regardless of following the code or not. That's how I saw it.

The Hirata family employed Shinobis to protect the Divine Child.

Please, show the class where Sekiro says the only reason he follows Kuro is the iron code. Should be easy, no?

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I know but Wolf barely has any character outside of protecting the kid so maybe that was the intent idk.

the master is absolute unless the father opposes them, in which case the father is absolute.

the father didn't oppose the master until the end which is why he kept protecting him

But why? Loyalty to this random shit stain dragon weirdo over his stepdad who saved him from a battlefield and took care of him all his life? What the hell did Kuro ever do to deserve loyalty beyond "Iron Code told me to"

Just admit it, It's a plothole.

>constantly portrayed as stoic
Have you missed all the fucking conversations where Wolf was being hesitant about choices and that made him rethink his morality? He isn't a cold blooded killer, he was forced into this life because he had no other option when he lost everything as a child. He only killed because that's what Owl forced into his head all these years. Kuro's pacifism and good will to other people made him rethink about all that brainwashing Owl got him through. Unlike to Owl, Wolf didn't need a code to be loyal to Kuro, he was loyal to him because of pure respect.

>As your father, my word is absolute. Your master's is a close second.
>As of today, he is your master.

Because Wolf has an inkling that he was betrayed by Owl to begin with

If Wolf was blindly following the code, having the option to help Kuro earlier wouldn't even be there. It meant the option was on his mind in the first place. Owl is a blatant scumbag and even his existence is a testament of that.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this, I just thought that non-choice with Kuro was interesting with that in mind.

>Kuro's pacifism and good will to other people made him rethink about all that brainwashing Owl got him through
>Wolf didn't need a code to be loyal to Kuro, he was loyal to him because of pure respect.

>all this mental gymnastics to defend bad writing

Define "saved him from a battlefield." He just plucked some orphan from a mass grave and shoved a sword in his hand.

Protecting your master is the right choice, he's your reason to live.

That doesn't come from Sekiro, and it doesn't even reinforce what you said. C'mon user, it should be easy to find Sekiro saying it, right?

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None of that shit is ever showed in the game. Sekiro almost never complains and just follows orders, right up until he decided to follow Kuro because of plot convenience.

I think the real answer is that this is a plothole.

the option was on his mind and he did it because of the iron code

>When the hell did Sekiro start caring about what happens to Kuro beyond "because the Code told me to care"
Sekiro is a fucking Shinobi, he's not going to show his emotions that easily. The moment you realize he actually cares about Kuro, is when you're able to break the iron code. That doesn't mean it was an instant process, he was just keeping that for himself. As it should be.

Loyalty to the kid trying to put an end to the struggles over his blood's power vs. a power-hungry guy who cares only about himself, yes. It's not a plot hole at all.

He said Sekiro, not Owl, user. That's your problem. You use Owl's reasoning to find fault in Sekiro's actions.

The point is Sekiro gets a will of his own.

>Agreeing to be cucked by your shitty foster dad who already tried to kill and betray you once before is the right choice.

explicitly saying it doesn't mean anything, everything in the game leads you to believe it

Wolf barely has any character so who the fuck knows what's his thoughts on all of this...imo

How is it a plot hole? Wolf comes to appreciate Kuro more over time, and when Owl asks him to forsake him, he can tell something is up, and is like... nah. It’s not that complicated to imagine he cares about Kuro.

and he doesn't show it

I presume so, since the ending showed the Divine Child's journey to return the dragon as only starting, meaning the dragon's blood must still be active in Wolf.

>everything in the game leads you to believe it
Don't speak for others, brainlet-kun. You were wrong this time. Tough shit.

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Better than dying of hunger in a random forgotten battlefield. And its not like he abused him, Sekiro seems to have lived a comfy life what with being a royalty bodyguard and all.

What did you think Sekiro growing up was like? Chilling in Hirata state fucking Emma's girlfriends and then disappearing to go train ninja shit only to come back and get some pussy again? It's never implied that Sekiro lived a bad life beyond his early trauma.

Owl saved him, gave him a good life and then Sekiro betrays because of......reasons?

show me otherwise

You said yourself that he is stoic.

>no u
Just concede already, fag.

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>over time
Literary a 180 in minutes. What "over time".

so you have no reason to believe what you are saying other than headcanon?

Owl literally stabbed him in the back at Hirata Estate

Anyway I just figured it was to shown Sekiro growing as a person after being around someone nice. Heck Sekiro didn't even know that rice was supposed to be cooked before Kuro made him a delicious cooked rice ball

That and Sekiro saw all the horrible shit the immortality stuff brought so he'd probably be more inclined to shut that shit down before it got worse by the point Owl jumps back into the picture

im asking for examples so i can understand where you are coming from

Interesting. I feel like a Sekiro sequel would actually work. The character's story still has somewhere to go, unlike Dark Souls or Bloodborne where you're character honestly doesn't have much of a storyline to begin with

I'm too lazy to reply to each person ITT, but have none of you dumb motherfuckers ever seen a samurai movie?

Making a choice as an individual in defiance of societal mores is ABSOLUTELY the whole fucking thing in pretty much every Kurosawa film.

Sekiro betrayed Owl without that knowledge.

The right choice is pounding the boipussi which can't happen if your greedy ass father takes the boy away from you.

Like I said, after losing everything as a child, he had no direction in life. Owl gave him one, so he chose it right away, since his other choice was death. He played along with Owl's code because he had nothing else. But that changed when he met Kuro. As I said in my previous post. Kuro's philosophy and good will towards other people made Wolf rethink about his life choice. And he came up with his own path which he also states after defeating Owl. That path was loyalty to Kuro, whom he had a lot of respect for.

Examples of what? You're the one who jumped to conclusions about Sekiro not caring.

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wish it wasn't so hamfisted and the story actually led up to it in a reasonable way

I don't have a problen with that, i have a problem with the fact that his struggle and defiance is not even showed. It just randomly happens in a second. Sekiro barely struggles with any moral decisions.

what would lead me to believe he cared?

absence of caring is not caring

What you call headcanon I call inference. A trait you seem to lack in general.

>Kuro's goodwill
What the fucking riceballs? That's his goodwill? He Kuro and Sekiro barely even have lines together that aren't "hey you go get me this shit, hurry up shinobi"

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, brainlet-kun. But go ahead and just keep digging that hole.

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I've only seen westerns where they're strangers in a town, save the town from distress, and leave the town afterwards lol

Stop being a fucking contrarian of the highest degree or learn to pay attention. Sekiro isn't fucking stupid, he's already suspicious of Owl after he sent Butterfly to kill him 3 years ago and even though she failed he would be outright dead if not for Kuro. Then in the interim between losing Kuro and getting him back he learns of dragonrot and it's affects on others. After talking to Kuro again he learns that rather than revel in his "gift" he's sympathetic to those he hurts with said "gift" and ask you to help stop it which is a noble goal that Sekiro can respect. Suddenly you're suspicious ass adoptive dad shows up with no reason and demands you to betray Kuro. Now I'd like to point out that anyone looking to do so in the past had literally one thing in mind and that was abusing the immortality with no regards for what it did to others. So Sekiro puts two and two together and does what he believes is right

Without love the truth cannot be seen.

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Imagine how big Owl's cock is, haha.
Wonder what it feels like to have it inside of you. I bet his immense girth would fill you up real quick and massage your prostate with every thrust, haha.
Not to mention the liters of semen he would spill inside of you, wouldn't that be crazy haha

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Didnt Owl admit that he saw Wolf die? How would he know that if he wasnt the one doing the stabbing? Wolf could put two and two together.

>traps topping anything but other traps

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Sekiro 2 will probably take place in China or in a region near China, since the Divine Child was talking about returning the dragon to the west, and at that piont in time japanese people didn't know of the European west, only Asia mainland and the archipelagos around them. The dragon was alsi a traditional chinese dragon, further pointing to that conclusion.

>What the hell did Kuro ever do to deserve loyalty beyond "Iron Code told me to"
Did you miss the whole "run into a burning building and pulled on-fire beams off Wolf to save his life"?
He did WAY more for Wolf than Owl did.
Who, btw, was the one who killed Wolf from behind and left him to die in said burning building. This was whether or not you obey the Iron Code.

>tried

Owl is an old man with erectile dysfunction. Sekiro is the real big-dick chad

>b b b bb b bb but mah Kuro-chan
Admit it, its a plothole and Sekiro betraying Owl makes no sense.

>fighting Guardian Ape first makes you fight him again as a gank fight because fuck you that's why

Literally who designed this shit.

>Nigga discussing plot in a From game
Lmao

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Have you not seen the memories where Kuro speaks out against the war? Kuro sole reason to sever immortality was to put and end to the suffering caused by people wanting his immortality.

Miyazaki got overconfident and started sucking his own dick.

Isn't that the bitch from Until Dawn?

Or you can admit you're a faggot that lacks empathy and therefore can not relate to basic human emotions, putting you at a complete disadvantage interpreting a well-trodden Japanese theme.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

Wait for headless does that scream move.
Parry or dodge brown ape attack then spam firecrackers until you can deathblow her.

She looks like a female Brendan Fraser

>well-trodden Japanese theme
well-trodden theme in a badly written story

This whole thread is nothing but OP being a willfully obtuse faggot.

>Sekiro slowly getting emotionally attached to Kuro
>Emma pointing out that his brow is far less furrowed ever since he got Kuro back
>the whole cute scene with the rice cookies
What started out as an obligation turned into a strong bond with the two. Is this really so fucking hard to understand to you absolute brainless troglodytes?

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Can anyone explain why at the end of the game Sekiro just turned into the carving dude? I heard about the white pinwheel and did all that and sided with Kuro and even killed the demon of hatred if that matters. No idea where Owl 2 is since I only fought him once. I also got the fresh and dry serpent hearts. I just didn't know what to do with any of those items without looking it up.

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That's your opinion, yeah. It certainly isn't well-written, but very few video games are.

>When the hell did Sekiro start caring about what happens to Kuro

What Is Character Development: The Post

Most of Yea Forums is antisocial so what do you think the answer is?

exactly, where is the character development?

>lady ape has like 1/3 of the hp of the first guardian ape fight

you didn't actually have trouble with it, right?

as far as reused bosses in the game go, that was the least egregious

at least it wasn't another fucking chained ogre

That only happens for the immortal severance ending. None of that other shit you listed matters. As for why, it's a form of penance and meditation I suppose.

Shit posting, or just dumb?

Sekiro being super autistic like he is, just like in the beginning of the game loses his will to live since he never had one to begin with, only when Owl told him to protect his master is when he started to care about anything.

just asking a question my defensive friend

Do the items I listed matter only if I choose the iron code? I feel robbed.

It's easier than the first fight for sure but it's still so lazy.

When you eavesdrop on Kuro to start the Purification ending and Sekiro shows his respect for Kuro when he says that he will do whatever it takes to to the immortal severance, even when he knows it will cost him his life.
No, that's the Shura ending and it's even shorter, when you choose to obey the iron code there's a boss battle immediately after then the game ends.

>wolf becomes a dog
lol you missed out on kino boss fights and the owl actually respecting you faggot.

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They only matter if you side with Kuro. Do you want to be spoonfed now that you've finished it once? I'm alright with that.

>it's another LOL YOU MISSED SOME CRUCIAL USABLE ITEMS OR A HIDDEN BUT ULTRA CRUCIAL NPC THAT YOU HAVE TO TALK TO SO YOU CAN GET THE ULTRA SECRET "PROPER" ENDING
It tries to be unlike those other games, but it ultimately is the same esoteric bullshit.

>wolf obeying the iron code is canon
no it's literally not, shura is the "bad" ending

that's during a ending branch

are all the ending branches canon?

There's no "canon end" until we get follow up which might never happen.

because owl betrayed wolf first, he figured it was Owl who stabbed him in the back and to test his theory Wolf turned his back and we got this

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>wolf obeying the iron code is canon

do you have a single fact to back that up?

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you're retarded

>he didn't finish the memory section

>reeeeeeee

Is New Game + worth a shit at all in this? I typically replay the souls games by doing different builds but that isn't really an option in Sekiro.

I already got all endings

>being a bootlicker
lmao

Shura Ending: He becomes one
Immortal Severance: He will become one
Purification: He's fucking dead
Return: Sekiro's Bogus Adventure To China

why would you trust the iron code of someone who backstabbed you and has a convenient rule of "but my rule overrides all" it becomes very obvious that they only care about you as a tool and that part of the code was a failsafe for their own ass, rather than any loyalty meaning

the code was flawed from the start, and is kind of the point of the game

You don't need to eavesdrop on Emma and Isshin, I got that ending the other day and you never have to do that, you can actually start the questline before you do Owl.
Just eavesdrop on Kuro (either from behind the wall in the main room or from just outside the library window) as soon as he says "do what must be done" or whatever you go talk to emma and start the quest for the purification ending, she will only go to the grave and then with Orangutan until you beat Owl though.
It's the way the game was intended to be played since it's easy as fuck in NG.

It is if you want to get all the upgrades. I think only one NG+ is needed to get enough Lapis

Shura is the "be a dick" ending. Not so bad if your goal is to be a murderhobo

Immortal Severance is the bad ending

The remaining two are variants of "good"

"That day... I pulled you from the battlefield, a starving cub... I had no idea what you'd become."

>why would you trust the iron code of someone who backstabbed you and has a convenient rule of "but my rule overrides all" it becomes very obvious that they only care about you as a tool and that part of the code was a failsafe for their own ass, rather than any loyalty meaning
the story is one of tragedy

Reminder that the "Iron Code" is just something Owl made up himself to indoctrinate his apprentice's and referring to them as "son" is just another way of further manipulating them.

The Iron Code is literally made up bullshit that Owl used to manipulate Wolf. It's not real.

You're overthinking it. Owl is just saying he never would have thought back then Wolf would grow to be such a powerful shinobi. His growth over the years fascinated Owl and he began desiring a duel to the death with Wolf.

You do realize that Kuro managed to convince Sekiro to ignore the iron code before Owl ever asked him to drop Kuro, right? When you finally get to Kuro after the fight with Genichiro, you have the option to either follow the iron code and protect Kuro, or do Kuro's bidding and sever immortality. Kuro manages to convince Sekiro no matter what your choice is.

but wolf literally says he can't deny because of the iron code

>immortal severance
>bad
there's only one bad ending and that's becoming asura. all the other have an overall positive outcome
this is also confirmed by the fact that isshin immediately knows you're owl's son when you mention the shinobi code

Yes, and then Kuro convinces him otherwise. You literally don't have a choice it is flat out canon that Kuro changes Sekiros mind.

>Fight robert's dad
>He just fucking refuses to fight
>By the fifth time he says "You're trying to kick me off the wall huh? You piece of shit!" Or something
You can really feel how Activision did these little casual touches on the game.

Just say "dumb" if that's what you mean

and then he gets convinced otherwise literally 30 seconds later. did you even play the game?

>Refuses to die*
Whoops, crazy to think that the first time I fought him I killed him on the first try, wonder how many lines of dialogue he has.

>He just fucking refuses to fight
huh? he's super agressive

>all the other have an overall positive outcome
Sure, kill the kid leaving sekiro purposeless to just carve Buddhas so he can become a demon later on is a good ending

>It's another "you gotta go back and talk to every single npc every time you do absolutely anything or else you'll get a shit ending" game.
How are you even supposed to know the snek's visceras are linked to the divine child of rejuvenation?

what? you don't like having the game stop everything just to tell you what a heavy coin purse is when you pick it up so that you don't forget you have it or what it does? you don't like manually holding square to pick up coins so that a little more of your dopamine receptors fire despite xp collection being automatic?

He probably bugged out, it happened to me once with Snake Eyes. She stood still and blocked all of my attacks until I died. After that she fought normally.

killing the kid removes the dragon's heritage, which is a good thing. someone else will take out wolf when that time comes

Actually if you sprint towards him and start attacking while he's still saying "Lay down your sword, Shinobi" you can glitch him into non-aggression

Well yeah if you are talking about the world state sure. I was meaning more from player perspective / Sekiro

Shura: Sekiro becomes top wolf and kills the fuck out of nearly everything as an unstoppable demon of Japan.

Immortal Severance: Dragon Blood shit is gone but Sekiro is basically dead inside and will probably become a Shura eventually like Orangutan did.
Purification: Sekiro dies but saves his Master allowing him to live life free
Return: Sekiro still maintains his status and is now watching over not one but TWO magic kids. Also goes on a cool road trip to another land.

She tells you after you give her the tome.

Sekiro likes Kuro a lot, to the point of being romantically interested in him. Did you not play the game at all?

>to the point of being romantically interested in him.

Here we go.

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Why must your kind come haunt this game.

Sorry, meant "refuses to die".
That didn't bug me so much because it's pretty normal in most videogames, at least it isn't like in TLoZ were you open a chest and get 5 rupees.

It just depends on how many fucking Sword of Stranger adventures Sekiro and Kuro did in the three years between Hirata burning down and Genichiro grabbing them.

I imagine they had fun adventures.

orangutan never became shura, it says so in his memory. you'd probably not be able to win if he did
but yeah was talking more overall in the game's world, the latter two are definitely much better

>literally your father
>fed you
>trained you
>have to obey only 1 rule in your whole life
>B-BUT BOIPUSSY

gas all faggots

he's right, sekiro treats wolf very tenderly. there are clear yaoi undertones that cannot be denied unless you're autistic.

immortal severance is the best ending, I don't like it when things end too happily in these kinds of games

Once I got Giraffee to just stand there taking it, not even blocking my attacks, he was just throwing his fire bombs in my general direction even though I was right in front of him hacking his face up.

You're an absolute retard if you think Demon of Hatred isn't Sculptor the game goes out of its way to spell it out as much as possible.

he is just waiting for someone to come and kill him, he has no other purpose, you pussy ass nigger

I really did wish this game had a non-Shura join Owl ending, even with him being a manipulative dick he still raised you as his own and trained you to become a kickass ninja

>impales you through the back
>tries to assassinate Emma
>begs for mercy then tries to sneak kill you

I'm glad Owl dies in every ending.

>takes you from the fields only to use you in order to obtain infinite power
>literally backstabs you
also, you're a disgusting pedo. kuro and sekiro are like brothers

Actual homosexuals don't use the term boipussy. Onlybeta men that can't get women and turn to young boys/twinks out of desperation

sounds pretty bad to me

He sided with Kuro because he agreed with Kuro's belief that the divine heritage should be severed. Obviously he felt it was more important than obeying the iron code. People change their priorities in life all the time, it's not that hard to believe.

Also, the iron code explicitly says that the master is a CLOSE second, so it's not like sekiro has to juggle between obeying the absolute authority of his father and a total nobody. He had to choose between the absolute authority of an obviously nefarious character and the almost absolute authority of a character he conpletely agreed with.

>b-but THE BOIPOSSI

lalala can't hear you fag

>Purification
>Sekiro fucking dies
>Happily

Demon of Hatred isn't Shura retard, it's a failed one, that's stated in the game too.

incest is a sin user

Oh, well if you deathblow'd him 5 times and still didn't get the gimmick then you needed him to tell you. You can't complain about casualization and handholding if you literally couldn't finish the fight without it.

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Giving her the infested tome doesn't make her say anything related to sneks or visceras. The only way to get her quest to progress is to purposely waste some rice, as there are only two NPCs that want some, and the quest won't progress unless you ask her thrice.

you're the one using the term boipussy, fag

Demon of Hatred is the Sculptor.

>massive OH NO NO NO mass (You)'s

lmao fags got triggered instantly when called out, not surprising desu!

The game literally won't let you not have a back bone. Sorry.

user, you're making a complete ass of yourself. DoH isn't asura, the game LITERALLY says so in his battle memory
it is happily, sekiro lived only to make sure he could grant kuro's wish and he did

>>begs for mercy then tries to sneak kill you
That was the most kino part, nigga knows shinobi don't fight fair so he cheap shots you at every turn

HITOOOOOOOOOTSU

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3 npcs, the two old ladies and kuro

>b-but

ur gay just accept your thirst for COCK you disgusting pedo gayman

They're very blatantly more than brothers. Their relationship is romantic, and it makes even more sense considering the culture and time period of the game. There is literally no way they weren't entangled romantically, if you understand Japanese culture you'd know why. There's a reason 90% of the fan art is of Sekiro and Kuro making out.

pedo

Yes, and Demon of Hatred isn't shura, that's what the other user meant, Sculptor never became Shura, he became a demon of hatred.

Obeying the iron code, killing Emma and Isshin showed Wolf had no principles himself. He just kills and that makes him Shura killing his father anyway and thousands of other people,

K... Keep me posted

I agree with you user, though i dont mind him siding with Kuro, what I DO mind is giving the shura ending out of nowhere because you agreed with the Iron Code.

Its dumb, both decisions were fair but one suddenly turns you into a "murderous fiend" for some reason. Should actually have added stuff to actually support it, like giving the option to spare or kill Emma or something.

The Remnant / Lore for Hatred Demon states that Sculptor failed to become a Shura but instead became a vessel for the flames of hatred

Basically he became a Bitch Tier Shura rather than a legit one

i picked shura ending because the game gave me literally zero reason to care about kuro to the point where i actually cared more about that crying monk

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this

Using your logic Bruce and Alfred's relationship is also romantic as opposed to a father and son one.

his principle was to the iron code, the ultimate principle

>the game gave me zero reason to care about an innocent child that was willing to die in order to make the world a better place
ok man

No.

on paper that would make me care but the execution failed

that's not a japanese series and it's not set in japan. are you fucking retarded, user? there is literally no one dumber on earth than somebody capable of saying "b-but by your logic" and then stating something completely irrelevant and not by their argument at all. kill yourself for being this dumb.

What crying monk?

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>Kuro is a young, companionate superhuman boy who recognize how his bloodline is causing endless suffering and is willing to sacrifice himself to break the curse.
>i picked shura ending because the game gave me literally zero reason to care about kuro
Psycho.

Kuro makes you rice balls and if you eavesdrop he worries about your safety, he also saves your life at Hirata

Its the opposite really, he had ONE principle, the iron code, and he broke it, now he makes up shit on the spot, he has no principles now.

I disagree, I liked kuro because he was so rational and kind to his literal slave. he also made me a riceball

This is true, Kuro and Wolf were without a doubt in a relationship that ran deeper than just master/servant. The people who don't realize this probably played the English dub.

What does that have to do with anything? Batman is one of the gayest comic series, he literally sleeps with little boys in his bed, so we can assume he is gay, and since Alfred and Bruce care for each other deeply that means they push each other's shit on the regular using your retarded homo ""logic"".

>his principle was to the iron code, the ultimate principle
>made up on the spot solely with the purpose of making you unquestioningly follow orders and to never think for yourself in any capacity, just do what your told
>the ultimate principle

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Not a monk (I think?) but one of those fat hammer bros. You can find one somewhere during endgame state Ashina Castle just crying as everything is going to shit

Eng dub has gay moans in it while the jap one doesn't though.

wasn't even my argument, just letting you know how unbelievably stupid you are. seriously consider suicide. anybody as dumb as you doesn't deserve to live, let alone subject other people to their inane opinions and inability to form a rational thought.

pic related

again, on paper that would make me care but the execution failed for me

child of rejuvenation gave me rice AND a cool sword

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Sekiro had big tiddy Emma. He didn't want anything with doomed ending immortality boy

yes, it was HIS ultimate principle
doesn't matter if it was made up on the spot or not, it was what he lived by

Stay fucking mad shiteating faggot lol go get your meat injections.

>hurr de durr modern western ideals are the same as sengoku era japanese ones
When you dont have an argument, just strawman right?

Boypussy was literally objectively not a meme in fuedal japan, thats how master/close servant relationships very often were.

Im not going to meme about the relationship intended by fromsoft between kuro/sekiro because im not a thirsty boy lover, but to say that japanese men didnt commonly fuck/sexually abuse young boys back in that era is just false.

>doesn't matter if it was made up on the spot or not, it was what he lived by

No it wasn't because he sided with Kuro :^).

He couldn't have cared less about her. You have autism, waifufag.

Simply following a code is not a principle. It is like someone appealing to the law for what is moral.

Kuro literally gives you your sword retard
He also gives you a charm that protects you that you only find out about in NG+

except for when he didn't ;^)

>except for when he didn't ;^)

Which never happens oWo

Oh you meant Kotaro? Yeah Kotaro was a bro.

can kuro's sword slay the undying?

i thought so

Kuro gives you literal immortality though.
You have no argument of your own, you're just deranged if you think stoic autistic ninja can muster any feelings or responses beyond "As you wish", unless Kuro rapes Sekiro there's no way there's any kind of relationship between them besides master and servant.

>Hey Wolf, wanna save the world?
>Yeh nah, I'll purposely plot against you. Not that I'm against your goals. I just don't like the way you are.

> What is character development?

It's a pretty fuckin' base-level story, but I guess I understand how you autism makes it confusing. BUT THE RULES! BUT IRON IS HEAVIER THAN FEATHERS!

I thought it was the boi puss, now you bringing up cock?
You queerlord

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i died a ton to guardian ape. i got drunk tonight and 2 shot him. thanks coors banquet

It's exactly what you said, dumdum.

it literally wasn't though

>betray his father
>and his fathers code

reality protip: you cant have two masters. Owl telling your character that the code was
1. him first
2. master second
was basically him hoodwinking you as a child. A shinobi follows the orders of his master and his master only. That is literally how every single code for any organization in the real world in any human civilization has ever opperated and its sad our society is so detacted from basic concepts like loyalty and honor that you would be so easily tricked by a character whose entire existence revolves around tricking and betraying everyone he meets.

Hope you didn't fight him before Mibu.

Why did he even raise Wolf to follow a master when he just wanted a mindless slave?

I don't get why people are so retarded
All 4 endings were made to be done

>either get shura or severance on your first playthrought if you didn't cheat and spoil yourself
>see the ending
>decide to get a better one on NG+ if you got shura
>get severance
>get sad over having to kill kuro and ending up as a hobo
>try to find a solution to save kuro in NG++
>either find the purification or return ending

the endings were made to be done in this order, if you didn't empathize with kuro and got shura because you are autistic, you would empathyize on NG+, then want to save him on NG++

man that second owl fight is a tough nut.

>That is literally how every single code for any organization in the real world in any human civilization has ever opperated
i have a boss and my boss has a boss

On one hand, Owl literally killed Wolf, presumably so that Kuro would give Wolf his blood so he'd get resurrection power. He's also a bit of an asshole that sheds crocodile tears so Wolf would turn his back. I dunno what his ultimate goal was but it probably wouldn't have been good for most.

On the other hand, Kuro is kinda pretentious. Well-meaning enough, but he's that kid who thinks he's way smarter than everyone else and talks down to anyone who disagrees. Thing is that he gave Wolf his blood, so apparently it's fine so long as it's someone he believes will do whatever he says.

The real reason to stick with Kuro is so you don't have to kill Emma.

Because Owl wanted the dragons blood power. What better way than to get your little cuckboi inside.

>On the other hand, Kuro is kinda pretentious. Well-meaning enough, but he's that kid who thinks he's way smarter than everyone else and talks down to anyone who disagrees
i think you nailed why i could not care for him at all

This. Owl was trying to keep Wolf as his ace in the hole in case shit didn't work out for him. Owl's version of the iron code is contrary to the entire concept of fealty.

>but he's that kid who thinks he's way smarter than everyone else and talks down to anyone who disagrees
he doesn't do that or anything remotely similar. he's just a by the books good person trying to do the right and selfless thing. the fact that you got that impression makes you seem incredibly insecure.

Owl literally stabbed Wolf in the back. Pretty sure that wasn’t loyal to the iron code.

>so long as it's someone he believes will do whatever he says.

Except everyone who pleads him for the dragon blood are extremely obviously not people who should have it.

So it's because you're a brainlet with low self esteem who projects bad traits onto people that make him insecure by being better than him. I kinda already had you figured, but thanks for confirming it.

Did you swear fealty to your boss and your boss's boss? What happens if your boss and your boss's boss have contradictory opinions on how something should be done?

when does kuro ever talk down on anyone that disagrees with him, and in what way is he pretentious?
>thinks he's way smarter than everyone else
no he doesn't, and isshin, a really old leader of a massive continent admires and supports him. kuro is a smart and compassionate kid

He’s sort of like sword saint phase 2, in that there’s really no gimmick/strategy that you can develop to beat most of his options. You pretty much just have to play it where it lies, for the whole fight.

You have one boss, and someone managing you. You aren't going to backstab the ceo of your company to help your middle manager cover up some bullshit, right? There's no possible way that will end up good for you. By instilling the idea of 'always listen to your master... except when i tell you not too ;)' that gives owl an extra card to play if things ever get really dire for himself. it's basic corruption drama.

>What happens if your boss and your boss's boss have contradictory opinions on how something should be done?
my bosses boss has the ultimate say in the end

more like
>making the """""right""""" choice which is supposedly the truest of all endings turns out to be the least satisfying ending

As I said, he's well-meaning. But he definitely has this air about him. If you can't handle that maybe he isn't perfect then it makes you seem incredibly naive.

So inevitably you serve one master then.

They're upset because Kuro is portrayed as a person who wants to do the right thing with no ulterior motives, and the idea of somebody who's not a scumbag upsets them because they're scumbags in real life so they try to look for a reason to hate him. Normally only sitcom characters project this blatantly and make it this obvious that they're just bad, bitter people who want to put down somebody for being pure, but it's a pretty common occurrence for shitty people raised by shitty parents.

Well that would be Kuro in this scenario. Your da da doesn't have any say in what you do once you swear an oath to a person in an actual position of power. AKA the Iron Code is bullshit like everyone has been saying from the beginning.

sorry i couldn't care about kuro user, if it means anything i cared about pretty much every other character in the game and felt pretty bad about fighting emma

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His only "air" is pure kid with a strong heart. The other user is right, you having a problem with him shows some deep problems in you.

YOU CAN'T EVEN WIELD THE MORTAL BLADE, YOU CAN ONLY EVEN USE IT BECAUSE OF KURO'S DRAGON BLOOD IMMORTALITY HE GAVE YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE

Owl killed him.

>hes just a dumb kid that thinks he knows everything

Let me fill you in on a little secret. The reason the rich and powerful stay rich and powerful is because they train their kids from an early age. When your dumb ass is in public school learning about how many genders there are and when dinosaurs lived, the children of the elite are learning about how to manage the people under them. It is completely realistic for some 10 year old royal heir to know way more about anything than the illiterate dirt farming peasants around him.

You can't betray the iron code then because there's no conflict in Wolf's character that would excuse it
It's when Owl comes back and forces him to choose that he can then reasonably exert agency and choose what he wants to do for himself

wolf was indoctrinated from childhood and didn't realise this until he lost owl and spent more time alone with kuro

I bet you thought Samwise wanted to fuck Frodo in lotr too you drooling bumpkin retard. News flash, not all human relationships are sexual, it wasn’t until recently with porn and fag culture that every male bond was labeled as secretly being romantic by fan fiction writing women and homos

easy, owl killed wolf, kuro saved wolf.
this

Literally proving my point with how pretentious you sound right now.

>if you don't like and admire Kuro then you must have something seriously wrong with you

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>and there is me, wanted Sekiro to help the your lord because I ship them

checks out

no, the point you were trying to make was that he was pretentious and talked down to people
I'm not any of the poster you quoted and I'd like to actually know why you dislike kuro
>wanted Sekiro to help the your lord
go to bed, ESL

this is literally the reason. op has made it obvious that he has no education and gets offended by people who seem "better" than him.

user, it's basic human psychology. When a good person sees someone, what they tend to recognize first is the good in them. Conversely, when a bad person sees someone, the first thing they tend to notice is the bad in them. If you dislike this character so strongly to the point of projecting many negative traits onto them, that says a lot about you as a person and the way you think.

you don't have to like him at all. but when your only reason for disliking him is a reason you fabricated yourself, it's obvious something is up with you.

>you are literally a scumbag if you don't admire this fictional child from a videogame i like
based 4channel poster

>not serving and protecting your master who gave you immortality
He's the sole reason you're alive and genuinely cares for you.

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its just a very long fight with next to no room for mistakes.
I will manage, but not now because its 5am.

>no ending where wolf and emma adopts kuro and rice girl
miyazaki is cruel

You mean like the negative traits you're projecting on someone because they said a character was kinda pretentious?

If this was real life, you would have some wiggle room in this argument but the fact is you are attacking a fictional character that is 100% a noble and pure character. Who hurt you user? What is the source of this trauma?

who are you quoting? see

the way you're thrashing around and throwing out accusations is proving him 100% correct.

i literally said on paper i would care for him but the execution of his character made me ambivalent

>throwing out accusations
>the idea of somebody who's not a scumbag upsets them because they're scumbags in real life

Reminder that Kuro x Divine Child is the patrician ship

If you could merge the normal ending where Wolf becomes the new sculptor while Emma hangs out with him, and the loli exodus ending, so that we end up with a family road trip where Wolf, Emma, Kuro and rice loli are all journeying to the west, that would be kino

Somebody fucking tell me right now, is the Divine Child a girl or not?! It's important.

I'd plow the divine child rice fields

>M-MUH EMMA
kys incel

That's a dogshit ship. The only patrician ship and the only canon ship are both Kuro x Wolf.

Shut the fuck pederast

keep ignoring facts brainlet

I bought it earlier today, just beat the Chained Ogre after an hour of dicking around with the fire and trying different shit out. Keep getting my ass handed to me by the Shinobi Hunter, not sure if i'm getting ahead of myself. Just found and fought the Headless thing in a pit, that kinda sucked. All in all though, very fun game - really making me want to play the first Tenchu.

Should I hold onto the Dragon Jewel thing for later on, or should I cure the Sculptor and old lady of Dragon rot? something tells me those are rare items

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>People thinking Kuro is gay when he's been smashing Emma's pussy for 3 years straight

She gets pregnant in the return ending so I guess.

this

yeah I figured the reason Wolf blocked Owl's attempt to backstab him this time was because he knew that it was Owl last time

I cured them as quick as possible. I think the girl just sends you on another quest if it happens again.
The game tells you people will die if you leave them with the dragonrot long enough and it messes quests up.

of course she is
people can't die of dragonrot, that's a cut mechanic

It doesn't matter much, it locks out NPCs sidequests, but you can do it whenever you want, it doesn't kill them or anything.
No Kuro's charm runs should kill npcs.

well that is gay. Either way it does pause some quests until you cure the people.
I had like 3 people with it in the first hour. I don't even think I met one of them yet lol.

I was not getting gud when I first got the game.

it doesn't kill them, but they get too sick to give quests? wouldn't i get notified someone else in the world got the rot by me getting an item? only those 2 (as far as i know) have it and i'm being real cheap about actual deaths

Yeah if you keep dying you get those items that tell you who got dragonrot, they stack too so your unseen AIDS keep lowering with each item.

each time you die enough it gives it to someone and a popup happens telling you it happened.
I died and had it give the sickness to 2 people at once.

Brainlet. Severing immortality is more important than some gay code

Kuro is canonically gay. He made a cute little charm for wolf and made him a rice ball. He's got a crush on sekiro without a doubt.

Sekiro isn't wolf's name, I wish people would stop referring to him as that.

Just starting, feels like I'm going to die too much to have any chance of retaining any experience to level up.

But how can he be gay if he canonically mated with Emma in those 3 years he stayed in Ashina castle?

Correct taste.

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>Level up
user...

he didn't turn into the sculptor
the sculptor used to be a shinobi and used the prosthetic before you, he carved as many buddha statues as possible in order to try to undo the karma from all the killing he has done. no matter what he offers or how many he carved it wasn't enough and he still turned into the demon of hatred
Wolf is doing the same, he no longer has any responsibilities, but shinobi are made into emotionless puppets. he no longer has the iron code to follow or kuro to protect, so he has nothing left
if Sekiro 2 becomes a thing I guarantee Wolf will be a boss in the form of some demon or powerful being

this gay dude is really desperate for attention huh

he canonically didn't. he literally could not give less of a shit about her. only brainlet waifucucks actually like her.

>Weapon arts that use emblems

It already feels like the limit is too small. Most of the techniques aren't even that useful, they just look cool.

you know what i mean faggot

>last boss is asura
this would be amazing

why tho? WHAT DID I DO WRONG?!?!?!?!

But Emma cares deeply about Kuro and is the one that FORCES Sekiro to save him since he doesn't care much about Kuro as a person, he only cares about his ideology regarding immortality. Also in the Purification ending Kuro thanks her for "all she did" these 3 years. Clearly Emma and Kuro are the canon couple.

If you kill him before Mibu, he shows up again in the cave on the way there and it's not an optional fight either.

lmao face fun

grind, seriously.
Find an area where you can kill the enemies fine. Then go back to the buddha statue and rest to respawn them. Rinse, repeat.
Stock the points for skills and spend them.

Then try new skills on enemy that was filtering your progress. Viola!

but i cleared the poison cave already?

we really dont need a sekiro2.
the game is just right as it is.

ok thanks. i'll continue trying not to die and fleeing constantly

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immortal severance is the neutral ending. shura is the "bad" ending. you miss 1/4 of the game and you become a fucking demon, killing emma and cool old isshin as well as breaking kuro's heart (and maybe killing him if that's even possible without the dragon's tears).

purification is the bittersweet ending and return is the good (most likely canon) ending.

No, but it's a cool nickname.

There is no shame in fleeing a fight you will die in.
In this game it is actually advantageous most of the time because the AI will delock and walk back for easy Deathblows.

Rot doesnt kill them, just locks you out of their quest and, in the case of merchants, locks you out of their shop.
Not getting unseen aid also hurts you more for each deaths (statistically).

if sekiro 2 is a thing it will be wolf and rice loli's adventures in the west, not you being another shinobi without a left arm and sekiro/wolf being a boss.

yes

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yeah i died a lot at the start too. like i died 10 times to that general miniboss in ashina outskirts before i realized you could grapple behind him and steath deathblow him for one of his health bars.

eventually the combat will click with you and it will get easier and you won't die as much. also if you're really close to getting a skill point go back and reset at an idol and kill easier enemies until you get a skill point and then go take on whatever miniboss/boss that's in your way.

also bank your sen by buying the coin purses from merchants. it's a 10% markup, but you won't lose it when you die and then you can spend it when you actually need it.

that's why I said if
but now that From is dipping their toes in action games with some complexity I wonder if they could push the combat forward since the posture system is interesting, I was hoping for some unblockable combos, deflect every attack in a long combo then getting a counter or some bosses having perilous chains like a thrust followed by a sweep or vice versa. those examples wouldn't be amazing but I still just wish there was some more moves or some powerful attacks you can do as a reward for pulling off riskier counters
also better combat arts

user I like rice rori too but think about Souls for a moment

do you really think From won't just do it again? we already see Wolf as the Sculptor at the end

Here's my hot take. If Sekiro gets a sequel, he will inevitably fall to Shura because he won't stop killing.

If you give Isshin monkey booze, he was that a shura is one who keeps killing and eventually finds joy in it, and he states wolf has the shadow of a Shura in his eyes and tells him he will kill him if he becomes one. Obviously this is foreshadowing the Shura end, but it's something that doesn't seem like it would just disappear with Wolf choosing Kuro, only pushing it off.

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Sekiro became Sekiro after genichiro cut his arm off and he started using the shinobi prosthetic

Sekiro isn't souls.

if they're going to use one ending as canon though and not the rest of them i don't see how/why it would be immortal severance though, especially when return seems to basically set up perfectly for a sequel

Sekiro isn't a name.
It has the same base as the Sekihotai. Look them up and learn the game name is just a play on extreme schools of thought.

Makes this whole thread seem a little more reasonable once you realize it.

wolf isn't his name either. they're both nicknames. wolf was given to him by owl most likely, and sekiro was given to him by isshin.

isshin is much fucking cooler and more badass than owl, so i'll go with his nickname.

return is shit, it will never be canon. the canon one is purification or severance.

You can kill and not find joy in it, that's why Isshin didn't become a shura himself when he was a murder machine that killed everything in sight, so no, it isn't a given that he will fall to shura.

>return is shit
Nah.

In the fucking game moron. When Kuro asks for Sekiro to help break the curse, if the player agrees to help Kuro, Sekiro then says no, the code is absolute and only helped when Kuro ordered him too.

sekiro means one armed wolf in japanese

read my next sentence
From did it with Souls, do you really think they won't just repeat the plot with Sekiro as well?
because Wolf was just like the Sculptor did in the end, it implies some sort of cycle, which From has shown they like with Souls
and that ending is the main one most people will get
either way I don't think Sekiro 2 will come but if it does I do think they're going to make Wolf either a reference in the lore or more likely a boss fight. most likely some demon or shura but maybe an old man
>old wolf
actually kinda like that idea even if it's unrealistic since he could have all the secret techniques and use shinobi prosthetic tools, but it would be blatant fanservice

the seki part meaning one arm doesn't actually refer to a single appendage. It refers to a single viewpoint. A single strong arm doing action instead of 2 hands that represent different paths.

It is about choosing 1 extreme over the other and following it fervently. Which this whole threads proves by discussion.

Sure, but that 'shadow' would still be lurking in wolf regardless of his choice, I think choosing Owl only accelerates it. I don't see how that would just disappear. by picking Kuro.

If it happens they will make him a boss they hype up to oblivion then the fight will be just him as an old man who just lets you kill him or leave. Killing him will be what he wants, leaving him alone to suffer as penance will net the better ending.

>It is about choosing 1 extreme over the other and following it fervently. Which this whole threads proves by discussion.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Sekiro isn't posting in this thread user.

considering how well sekiro was received and how well it's sold i'd honestly be surprised if they didn't do a sequel.

who knows though it's 2019 and still no word on bloodborne 2 so maybe miyazaki has soured on sequels after dark souls. they seem to do better with new IPs anyway.

>I'm pretty sure Sekiro isn't posting in this thread user.
who do you think has been defending kuro this entire thread?

the entire thread is littered with discussion on which philosophy we should follow and why. Both sides have good arguments that reveal why different minds would naturally see different endings as correct.

We are all aligning ourselves with one extreme over the other. I don't think the construction of the story or the way it plays out is an accident. This discussion is exactly why it was laid out the way it was.

It reveals the man inside. Everyone knew instantly that the guy raging against helping Kuro was mentally unstable the second he started posting.

>waited until the last sentence to reveal his bait
well done

If you want all the endings, it's quicker than starting another NG. You can just rush straight to every progress blocker and complete the game very quickly.

>We are all aligning ourselves with one extreme over the other.
Right, but none of us are Sekiro. Our discussions don't matter to the game. Sekiro only goes one way or the other, side with Kuro or side with Owl. There's no third option.

>Everyone knew instantly that the guy raging against helping Kuro was mentally unstable the second he started posting.
this.

you got busted, mentally ill user.

sekiro is his name, isshin doesn't think wolf is a name for a man so hew named him. That's part of the tragic irony in sekiro killing isshin.

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if i'm mentally ill for not liking a videogame character, then i don't wanna be sane

what bait?
You revealed yourself to be inhuman and incapable of even conceptualizing empathy let alone recognizing it.
And this is coming from someone who has been here since 05 and found it by looking for /d/ material.

You are a broken human and conversing with you for the small amount I have has made it painfully apparent. Feel as buttmad as you need to be about it.

sauce nigga

>You revealed yourself to be inhuman and incapable of even conceptualizing empathy let alone recognizing it.
ok

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Your mental illness has nothing to do with whether or not your like a vidya character. Your dumb ranting and raving about said character just tipped us off that you're mentally ill.

From hasn't said fuck you to conventions as much as they did in Demon's Souls
there's still times where they play with conventions but for the most part the weird boss fights and features have been done away with
I don't think they want to risk disappointing people like that, even I would hate that and I loved the "gimmick" bosses in DeS
there were only 2-4 in sekiro depending on what you count as a gimmick boss

I'd prefer a new IP but I do love some locations in sekiro
it would have to be uninvolved with ashina though, I don't want to see the same areas again unless they have a good excuse for them. and while sekiro has fantasy elements the world is nowhere near like dark souls and the plot doesn't leave it open for a sequel, especially if immortal severance is canon since undying are no more. the whole resurrection feature would have to be dropped or something would have to explain it coming back but this either makes immortal severance not canon or makes it so the ending makes no difference

Sekiro did also kill Owl
I guess he has no name in a way, but kuro does call him Wolf so I imagine he'll stick with that instead

I chose Shura first because I decided to follow the Iron code no matter what, even though it was pretty suspicious in the manner Owl told you to forsake Kuro.

yeah which is why return is the only ending that makes any sense for a sequel. sekiro still alive and needing to travel to a new location and fight new enemies. resurrection is still alive as well since rice loli is now the vessel for the dragon's blood.

I think if someone raises you telling you to obey their word above all else that code can be thrown in the trash
it's a convenient way to say "but what I say overrides everything"
I haven't finished that one yet I'm sorry for arguing with you user
newfag? pixiv filename, shouldn't be too hard

but owl had a real name, isshin refer's to him in one dialogue with his real name.
Isshin was the first to give sekiro an actual man's name

isshin saw sekiro as a man, owl saw sekiro as a metaphorical pet

>I think if someone raises you telling you to obey their word above all else that code can be thrown in the trash
someone doesn't follow the word of our lord and savior

>74192236_p1.jpg
nigga