Who you sided with first

>who you sided with first
>who you side with now

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>Stormcloaks
>Stormcloaks

>empire
>thalmor

>Empire
>Empire

>stormcloaks
>big tiddy orc dungeon sex slaves

>uninstall.exe
>uninstall.exe

Imperials
Thalmor

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Fpbp

Based & lorepilled
Imperials are going down according to Talos himself

>neither
>neither

Empire because the Stormcloaks are actually fucking retarded.

>shit game
>shit game

>stormcloaks
>still stormcloaks. I don’t like the empire’s servitude to the thalmor

T. Stage 2 normie

Stage 1 normies pick stormcloak because "empire try to cut muh head off"

Stage 2 normies pick empire because "muh stormcloaks are stupid racist meanies"

Assuming the Stormcloaks win the Cuvil War, do they have a chance at fending off the Empire?

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>Stormcloaks
>__Empire__

this

Why would the empire keep attacking them?

Thalmor rolling in to stomp out the Talos worshippers

Imperials
Imperials

They are stupid and racist, and Skyrim quite literally doesn't belong to the Nords. They're just a bunch of fucking retarded invaders with a shitty leader that's too retarded to do shit on his own.

>Empire
>Empire with a passion

First time I picked Stormcloaks but now after playing both I now know the truth that the campaigns are essentially just the same but with inverse locations and what happens really doesn't affect the world at all

I mean, I conquered Solitude as the Stormcloaks and the Emperor still came to visit his cousin Vittoria Vici and I still killed him as the Dark Brotherhood so it completely had no meaning other than an excuse for why there are very few npcs on the road

>t. Ulfric's lapdog that doesn't realize he's playing into the Thalmor's plan

Which side is the most nationalistic and right-wing? I've literally never played fucking Skyrim, or any Bethesda game (apart from fallout 2), but whatever side wants to preserve their heritage gets it

Skyrim belong to the Nords.

>any Bethesda game (apart from fallout 2)

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>had no meaning
the end result in all bethesda games

Christ, what a sad post

Stormcloaks
Stormcloaks

>Empire
>Stormcloaks

hey remember when the Tribunal's death had meaning in the world
hey remember when an Oblivion invasion and Mehrunes FUCKING Dagon invading the Imperial City had meaning

>Empire
>Empire
gotta love the Roman asthetics

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I've never sided with either one during any of my playthroughs because I keep forgetting the Civil War is even a thing in the game

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This. Dumbfuck northerners sperging out, even if they win literally no one else in Tamriel will side with them and they’ll get their nordpucci raped by the dominion

>Stormcloaks
>Stormcloaks

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Stormcloaks first as a youngin', then I has a cuck period where I was Empire 'cause "dude, you NEED the Empire, they totes have plans"

Now I'm back to Stormcloak due to both personal views changing and reading up on the lore more.

Stormcloaks at first because I hate the Thalmor, but then I realized how fucking dumb they are for thinking ever race but their own were evil or conniving.

I only side with Imperials because they're more logical about it, but I went out of my way to fuck over the Thalmor as blatantly as possible.
Fuck those piss skinned elves. Making the Bosmer and Altmer look like god damn tyrannical morons

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Assuming the dragonborn isn't a thing, the empire for both. A united human front can only win against the thalmor. The stormcloaks are gonna drive out the empire and then what? I doubt ulfric even knows what their actual plans are.

Stormcloaks then, Thalmor now. Prefer the more gnostic Thalmor view over the nordic view of liking material existence and worshipping an aspect of the demiurge. also i grew out of that phase of liking vikings but as the thalmor are not an option i still go with stormcloaks over imperials because imperials are insufferable slimey bastards who also tried to execute you. I think it fits the story better though to hold peace talks at high hrothgar and not join a side but the trade of occupied lands makes no strategic sense and you end up with a jumble of stormcloak and imperial areas

>. They're just a bunch of fucking retarded invaders
They invaded thousands of years ago.
No one calls Anglo Saxons "invaders", and they invaded 1500ish years ago. Nords invaded long before that.

Who is the Mr. House of Tamriel?

Uhhh. Yes? They just did...

Empire is really only Cyrodiil, High Rock, and half of Skyrim. Tullius' effort was the best they could muster.

>who also tried to execute you.
Shouldn't have tried to illegally cross the border Jamal

Stormcloaks would only give a shit about the desolate wasteland that is Skyrim. Practically everyone in in that isn't a Nord wants to get the fuck out, stuck there, or both. It's unbelievable that those idiots would think that anyone would care that much about the land.

Stormcloaks every time. Fuck off globalists.

How is it illegal to go from one province to another province of the same nation?

>Empire is really only Cyrodiil, High Rock, and half of Skyrim.
And Ulfric couldn't defeat that half of Skyrim unless the Dragonborn helps him

It's not even that, seems like most of the war was talos worship which was something very loosely enforced until ulfric sperged out. All you had to do was wait things out.

Because everybody in Tamriel fucking hates each other.

Probably isn't, but multiple people claimed you just got caught up with the wrong people at the worst possible time. They weren't gonna put off Ulfric's execution for some literal nobodies who also happened to be around.

Imperial if I'm the Dragonborn. Stormcloak if I'm playing just some random nord.
As the Dragonborn my character has the long term goal of becoming Emperor by using his dragon blood to fabricate a claim to the throne.

Because you just so happened to end up right next to the Stormcloak camp where Ulfric and Ralof were at. Kinda suspicious.

>seems like most of the war was talos worship which was something very loosely enforced until ulfric sperged out.
I completely forgot about that. He probably did make it worse, but there's no proof that the worship of Talos wouldn't reach a head like it did at some point. He definitely should have kept his fucking mouth shut, literally.

Parthy baby

Possibly.

It's likely the Civil War will remain unresolved given that's the main quest path. But it's possible a clear winner might emerge, some theories about the supposed "Redfall" title for ESVI involve it being based on the fall of the Empire before a second Great War with the Thalmor and the now independent nations.

>Stormcloaks (Skyrim-centric view and no knowledge outside of Skyrim
>Imperials (Actually know my shit now)
I do think the Empire should attempt to treat Skyrim better though. Skyrim really needs to play catch up when it comes to understanding of magic, history, and politics or they will stagnate.

Based

Every race on Tamriel are kind of conniving douchebags though...

Tamriel is exceedingly racist, it's part of why it is the way it is.

small brain: siding with the stormcloaks because you fucking hate elves
big brain: siding with the imperials because you REALLY fucking hate elves

My character was so overpowered I could throw a cheese wheel at the sky and bring down a dragon. Fuck both sides.

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>Ulfric wins civil war
>Thalmor now not bounded by some agreements and can roll in at full force and stomp all these talos worshipping retards.

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Instead he went and killed the young king of solitude who completely adored him in a duel with his fucking voice for reasons that nobody even understands. Ulfric did EVERYTHING wrong. Kinda hard to side with someone so stupid that people wonder if he's just a thalmor plant.

Your half assedry about everything will keep you from ever doing anything great

lol.
>giving up talos and bowing before the thalmor who legit want to bring end of the world is the right decision

you are retarded my guy

>Imperials
>Imperials

Oblivion was my first TES game so I have a natural attachment to Cyrodiil and generally play Imperial because of it, also Roman empire.

Afterwards it was pretty clear that the Empire was buying time to fight the Thalmor properly once more, the problem is that the people of skyrim are being convinced to turn on the Empire by Thalmor manipulation so I'd rather support the empire as it has the best chance of defeating the Aldmeri Dominion

this
FUCK THALMOR
FUCK THE EMPEROR
FUCK IMPERIALS
AND FUCK REDGUARDS
SKYRIM FOR THE NORDS

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I never completed the civil war questline lol

Just like how they rolled into Hammerfell right?

Hammerfell says hi

>know my shit.

How is the Empire going to re-unite with Hammerfell (they betrayed), Black Marsh (led by a supremely racist faction atm, and never much cared for the Empire) Morrowind (who they abandoned to the Argonians) the half of Skyrim that feel they are cowards not to be trusted, and god forbid the Summerset Isles, who only "joined" after the Numidium destroyed them.

This Empire is done, unless you seek a shitty "suddenly friends again" story, it's better for it to die and another is formed later in the series, maybe in response to Akaviri hostility.

>bowing before the thalmor
Only so we can stab them in the throat when we get up, kiddo

I only care about fucking over the Thalmor.
I will piss in soil that nurtures their plants.
I will spit in every one of the bowls of food that keep them nourished.
I will shit on the sheets of whatever bed they sleep in.
I will Thu'um obscenities at every corner in which they even consider occupying.
I fucking hate them so much.

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>still reeling from the last war
>roll in at full force
okay

>Empire
>Empire
Stronger together, fuck the Thalmor

Imperial, Stormcloaks is dum

>Yeah the Thalmor have legal permission from the empire to kill talos worshippers
>so don't fight the empire or they'll kill the talos worshippers

>Tullius' effort was the best they could muster.

Not true Tullius mentions that they wont give him more support not that they can't which is why he is recruiting civilians, the reality is that the Stormcloak rebellion isnt a big enough cause for the Empire to abandon Cyrodiil and leave them open to the Thalmor just to crush Ulfric

this

Normie confirmed. Was Oblivion your first TES game? No, it was Skyrim right?

>stormcloaks
>paarthurnax

Thalmor aren't in the position to do that right now, their goal is subterfuge, likely in an attempt to destroy Adamantine Tower.

Stopping the worship of Talos weakens him and his influence on man, they're biding their time.

this is wrong. stop it. you did not understand the letter. the letter was claiming the conflict is favorable, not that the thalmor support ulfric or have any connection with him

dragonborn bringing a swift end to the civil war in favor of stormcloaks is the wost result for thalmor. empire has already bent the knee.

Further, the empire is willing to turn their back on talos. do you not realize the importance of the gods in TES? Belief in talos alone is enough to justify stormcloak support

imperial then
imperial now
thalmor if they let me

what a based and redpilled post

The only sensible post so far.

Empire, Empire

...

>not understanding the importance of talos
t. brainlet

>Imperials
>Imperials
Fuck race supremacists.

>reachmen
>reachmen

Get off our lands you fucking snow monkeys.

Im a good goy so i always side with the imperials. Skyrim for everyone!

>supporting a multi-cultural empire cucked by a bunch of elitist (((elves)))

how did todd get away with such a red pilled game?

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Imperials.
Some cheating honorless pussy throwing a hissyfit because he can't play the great game and wants to rip humanity apart for a few moments of power isn't worth anyone's support.

>stormcloak
>imperial
I swear stormcloaks are the biggest niggers around

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Every race on Tamriel is a race supremacist, Imperials are just buttmad everybody is leaving their grasp.

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Oh no, whatever are a bunch of nords going to do about elves

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Except traditional conquest is pretty easy in reality, the Empire would still be the strongest entity in Tamriel after a decisive war with the Thalmor and small rest time.

Assuming they won the Skyrim civil war and beat the Thalmor they will have the rest of the provinces pinned on the ocean the people of Hammerfell wouldn't be able to call for aid and would quickly loose and whats more is it would be a recent event that the Empire split and its easy to believe most of Hammerfell's citizens would prefer simply reforming with them as they have family in the empire their moral would be crippled.

The Argonian Empire would then stand no chance.

The empire is going down, this has been foreshadowed since Morrowind. It also makes for a more dramatic story in any case.

thats the way of the nords, the way of skyrim.

"my ancestors are smiling at me, imperial. can you say the same"

>ulfric
>cheated
nigga you so mad my boy just dabbed on your 10 year old highking

Stormcloak (Nord Warrior Playthrough)
Neutral

I would totally remain on the side of the Stormcloaks if it weren't for some key factors. Restarting the Thu'um as a martial art, reinstating public Talos worship, and removing the Thalmor from the region are all lofty immediate benefits to the act. I just don't want to fuck over my main man Balgruff or instigate additional stigma against Mages. He's a good Nord and the fact you can't convince him to Join the Stormcloaks is a major letdown. We need to bring back the Clever Men. Shor demands it.

I literally can't imagine unironically siding with the people who were going to execute you for doing literally nothing. I didn't even realize Hadvar calls to you and you can go with him on my first playthrough, I made a straight B-line to Ralof

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>cheating
>he believes the cuck bullshit

Ulfric was tortured as a POW after fighting for the Empire, came home and freed Markarth in exchange for simple Talos worship, but Empire cucks stabbed him in the back after doing their job for him.

He then fed the flames of a rebellion, challenged the High King, who accepted, and utilized his Thu'um to BTFO. The High King had just as much potential to seek out the Greybeards to be taught the Thu'um, probably more, but he chose not to.

Ulfric did nothing wrong.

>Stormcloaks
>Empire

Imperials because the nords are fucking dumb
Imperials because the nords are still fucking dumb

"Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset. The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact."

"Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."

>i choose stormcloaks
Top cuck.

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Those are some pretty retarded traditions then. King of solitude was one of ulfrics biggest supporters and he just goes and kill him.

Yes.. the Empire will just magically be in a position to not only beat the Thalmor with less than half their strength, some of whom hate them, but then go on to re-conquer Tamriel, despite lacking things Talos had, such as the Numidium, or access to a dragon.

The Empire is done, they abandoned the man and God that created it, letting it fall is the better story.

Neither because the Civil War missions are shit and 5v5 max ‘battles’ are literally retarded

He was a pussy that had to cheat and throw away his honor to win a duel that he himself demanded.
No true Nord should have ever followed him.

Ulfric builds an enitre community around Nord supremacy. The Imperials can, in theory, be changed over time.

Empire because Ulfric is a retard for trying to pull this shit NOW when there's a race of gigachad Elf assholes reading to push his shit in the second his beloved homeland is compromised and weakened. Take care of the Elf assholes first.

>"SKYRIM BELONGS TO DUH NORDS, WE WANT INDEPENDENCE!"
>"what the hell do you mean people in the reach don't want to be part of skyrim?"

Nords are stupid hypocrites

>Hammerfell's citizens would prefer simply reforming with them as they have family in the empire their moral would be crippled.
Except this goes massively against the Empire in this situation since they'd be the Aggresor. Acting like Black Marsh and Hammerfell, two places that were only ever conquered when literal God Kings are holding the reigns of the Empire, would easily fall to the fucking Mede dynasty is laughable.

yeah. youre a redguard alright

Stormcloaks
Imperial
Imperials have the greatest chance to beat the Thalmor and I hope the next game explores this concept more

>A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed

Well, an Empirefag actually included that part props.

I can't believe the Thalmor are taking advantage of a civil war to further their plans and don't want either side to win.

read
swift victory for stormcloaks who are openly hostile to thalmor is the only decision

>imperials
>imperials
I don’t fuck my siblings

When those Elves are fucking the people you are supposed to follow in the ass in public daylight, I'd say leaving them is a good choice.

DESU while its handled pretty poorly as a whole there is a lot about how both sides are handled thats actually really commendable given the current climate in video games .

The Stormcloaks are dangerously nationalistic to the point of racism and while that is shown somewhat unfavorably its also obvious that they aren't evil they are fighting for what the believe is right and the land they believe belongs to them.

The imperials are out of touch with Skyrim are shown as unempathetic and almost cowardly but at the same time they understand the big picture and Nords in the service of the Empire view Skyrim as just as much their home as the Nords.

Its really commendable because they could have leaned into modern politics and just made Stormcloaks ultra racist nationalist with no redeeming qualities and used the Imperials to demonstrate an anti american message but they managed to make both sides sympathetic but still retain the problems both their ideologies come with.

Guess thats the fortune of being a near 10 year old game.

But he's based and hates niggers.

>siding with the people who were going to execute you for doing literally nothing.
You appeared in rags next to a Stormcloack camp. They were going to execute the leader of the Stormcloaks. You think there's ANY authority in this world or the one from TES that would've believed you and let you go? Fuck that, put him with the rest of them.
The truly retarded thing was not executing Ulfric first

Well excuse me for not wanting to kill one of my biggest potential political allies

>who you sided with first
The Empire
>who you side with now
Guess what faggot

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Stormcloaks then
Stormcloaks now

Get your Thalmor-fellating Imperial bullshit the fuck out of Skyrim. Fucking bootlickers. Get your shit together and maybe we'll talk.

You can thank consoles for that

>Get your Talos-fellating Stormcloak bullshit the fuck out of the Reach. Fucking bootlickers. Get your shit together and maybe we'll talk.

ftfy

>he's not on the list
>just kill him anyway

You're not in Stormcloak apparel, and given Ralof's comment they know you were caught crossing the border. There was no reason to kill you outside of being retards.

They'll start by bringing Skyrim to heel. Ulfric is just a demagogue and his death means the death of the movement. The Imperials were only having a tough time with them because of Ulfric and having to use Skyrim locals to fight the rebels, and the pale pass being temporarily inaccessible.
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Skyrim is a dogshit region full of total morons and lacking in resources and food supplies.

>You think there's ANY authority in this world or the one from TES that would've believed you and let you go
Hadvar and Tullius both pardon you for the "mix up" and both were fucking there and could have stopped Captain bull duke from wasting the edge on the axe.

The thalmor are supposed to win in the end though.

>We caught this guy with this super dangerous criminal, but he isn't wearing the same clothes.
>Oh well he's obviously innocent, let him go

Absolute brainlet take

I still don't get why anyone defends Ulfric even if they side with the Stormcloaks.
Even everyone in game that sides with the Stormcloaks hates him and sees him as little more than an honorless opportunist.

It had nothing to do with console limitations, it's a Gamebryo issue. The engine absolutely shits the bed the moment there are more than a dozen characters in your line of sight.

Empire and empire.

And how will they re-unify with the rest of the continent that despises them?

Empirefags want some fucktarded storybook shit, everybody was fighting eachother, but we came together to fight the real bad guys and now we're stronger than ever.

That's gay, the races should be on their own, fighting for their own causes, then when the Thalmor plan (ending this current world and going back to the Elhnofey) becomes undeniable, they CHOOSE to unite under their own terms.

Also that, yeah. Whiterun is the capital of commerce with a grand total of like 30 people living in it

On one hand I want the Empire to stay
On the other hand the idea of a Second Empire arising from the ashes of the first one sounds kino

Only lorelets side with the empire
Prove me wrong

Well if humanity could unite to genocide the sloads I think we can come together again to kill a few shitty elves

"Sir there is a High Elf on the cart, there is no documentation or property on him, but one of the Rebels said he was found crossing the border miles from Blackwater Crossing where we caught Ulfric"

"He must be a sympathizer, lets execute him before the Rebel leader"

90% of empire supporters in here are ignorant and only know TES thru babbys first rpg - skyrim.
Talos literally ascended to godhood. he is all that nords aspire to be, as all man kind should. any discussion of banning worship of talos is signing the death warrant of the empire itself. no talos, no empire. its that simple. the only chance for the empire to survive is through the rise of skyrim and restructuring of the empire. there is only right choice

Haven't bothered after about 60 hours of play.

>The Argonian Empire would then stand no chance.
Not even Talos could beat the Argonians in a war, they entered the empire diplomatically rather than being conquered.
The Argonians have never lost a war on their own soil, because Black Marsh is fucking terrifying.

whoops didnt mean to quote that post

>Supporting fascism
Spoken like knife-ear filth

One that we can build as a player character in a later entry.

Empire falling provides much more story opportunities.

It’s the other way around faggot

>oblivion crisis
>the fucking daedra close their gates because the argonains of black marsh are raping them in battle

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Don't know, don't care. I'm sure they'll find a way. The Aldmeri Dominion will probably just force them to band together one way or the other, either under the Empire's banner or something like more modern ally systems should each province gain total independence. I'm just of the opinion that the already established empire is the best bet.

>forsworn
>fascists
>knife eared
>Ulfric isn't a fascist

I knew Nords were stupid but goddamn.

You must be a thalmor supporter who wants the towers to be destroyed

Stormcloaks have a good point, but Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet. Dragonborn should be Empire general or Stormcloack high jarl.

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Which is exactly what I'm saying, the All Flags Navy, or things like the Daggerfall Covenant are not the same as the Empire, these are temporary alliances to oppose a greater cause.

The races betrayed or abandoned by the Empire know what the Empire is, they know it will seek expansion again after this; these races aligning with that doesn't make sense, but independent provinces allying to stop the Aldmeri Dominion does.

The Empire becoming so corrupt and useless that the PC has a Crossing the Rubicon moment and reforges it into a new militaristic power would be interesting.

>Empire
>Multicultural and complacent nation woke up to the elf Jew waaaaay to late.
>Literally just 1945 Germany delaying the inevitable
>Stormcloaks
>Retarded pawns of the elf Jew Literally Snow al-Qaeda
>Dunmer
>Got ass ravaged cause they thought it was a good idea to settle next to the Volcano. Now their slaves to the big Argonian Cock
>High Rock
>Mutt nation thats just a glorified Imperial Garrison
>Hammerfell
>heads buried in the sand to the Elf Jew threat
>Valenwood and Elsweyr
Elf Jew puppet states. Kajhitt too high on moon sugar to give a shit. And Wood elves think they're honorary Jews
>Nigger Marsh
>Got to hand it em. They're taking Dunmer BP and are probably formidable enough to fight off any invasion. Their political leaders are a bunch of trees. So they're immune to Elf Jew infiltration. But you gotta be pretty fucking retarded to be enslaved by the Dunmer for so long

Whoever wins will lose to the Elf Jew.

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Help Ulfric oust the Thalmor-controlled Empire and send them back to their own faggy country, depose/kill him if necessary and take the throne yourself, unite Skyrim and all of Tamriel.

>Hammerfell
>heads buried in the sand to the Elf Jew threat
M8 they 1v1d the thalmor and drove them out

>High Elf
lmao

Can the Khajiit be convinced the Elf Jews DIDN'T bring Masser and Secunda back? That's literally the only reason those dumb cats are with them.

No one enforced Talos' banning on Skyrim until Ulfric made a big deal out of it like a manbaby. The Empire needed to lick their wounds to fight the Thalmor then Ulfric fucked it all over wanting to be the star of the show

we had a nice enb thread last night, does anyone remember any of the better-females mods that guy posted?

I have heard it argued that the Empire's presence in Skyrim is mostly a bluff while they wait to regain their forces and beat back the Thalmor, and that the Stormcloaks are fucking everything up by rebelling too early, so it's arguable that both sides have a nationalistic bent to them in a way

Then the lizardbros go and rape the Dunmer for good measure

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Maybe if we can convince them that they really are dead parts of Lorkhan they'd see that the elves would probably not want to bring them back.

Side with the Empire of course.
They give out free khajiit and argonian cuties to every human who enlists.

Siding with the stormcloaks just gives "CAN'T STAND THE SIGHT OF A STRONG NORD WOMAN?"

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>1v1d
They only achieved this feat by the greater number of soldiers and by guerrilla strategy. Direct confrontation would be a different result, Hammerfell need (at last) an Imperial alliance.

>Don't follow the law
>But also refuse to go 5 miles to the west and gtfo into highrock where they claim to be from originally because muh laws

Either way the Empire rolls in after the snow melts and reinforces the status quo in time for the next game.

just give the dumb cat people truckloads of free moon sugar if they promise to rejoin the empire.

>their goal is subterfuge, likely in an attempt to destroy Adamantine Tower.
Remind me which towers are standing again?

I sided with the stormcloaks the first time because I fell for the ruse they pull in beginning. Obviously I'm not gunna go with the guy who just about executed me, and then the stormcloak dude basically sucks ulfriks dick during your conversations, and then he takes you to his families house to see meet more ulfrik sympathizers. Hooked me real good.
Turns out they're just whiny babies throwing a fit about basically nothing and ruining their chance to help the empire fight the elves who the fucking stormcloaks fucking know are the ones they're REALLY mad at.
Obviously sided with the empire after that, and all playthroughs after I just avoided the civil war quests like the plague.

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Snow melting in skyrim

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Cause they were cocky enough to fight a two front war. If the empire falls hammerfull is fucked from all sides of their borders

Not really. The Thalmor aren't in a position for open war, and they won't get to that point if there isn't an Empire influence telling people to obey them and leave them alone.

How can a single man be so fucking BASED

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Ada-mantia, snow throat, walk brass (kinda)

Adamantine, and possibly the Throat of the World.

Yea Forums has gone too far.

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stormcloacks
empire

for whiterun and my bro balgruff

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Snow Throat is down. It's stone was the Dragon Break caused by sending Alduin into the future. By using the Elder Scroll to see the past and then defeating Alduin it is deactivated.

Orichalc might still be up. It wasn't officially destroyed by the Pankratosword like the rest of Yokuda, it was just believed to be. The Tower side steps between worlds by imitating the Walk About that Aedra and Daedra use to survive the change of Kalpas.

imperial x2
FUCK ELVES
FUCK NORDKEKS
PRAISE REMAN

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This. I killed them everytime I come across them they're worse then the xenophobia dark elves in Morrowind.

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The game only starts because of a temporary blockage into Skyrim making the Empire fight peasant to peasant instead of a few soldiers ending it in a few days.
Even if you choose Stormcloaks they tell you ingame the army in rolling in shortly to take back over.

Snow throat's stone is "the cave", which could be the looped dragon break. In that case it would still be active unless a Jill fixed it, even after the TLB uses it. Or it could be a literal cave hidden somewhere in which case it would definitely be fine. The tower itself might be broken though, "it lies sundered, kingless, bleeding".

>Reman was the greatest hero of the Akaviri Invasion of Cyrodiil. Indeed, he convinced the invaders to help him build his own empire, and conquered all of Tamriel except for Morrowind
Fucking based.

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Shouldn't people be used to the games telling you nothing you do matters by now?
It happens literally every time and they hint about it within the very same game to let you know where the story is going.

I always found it weird that all these villains who spent centuries of scheming never got word of the others plan.

Like if Dagoth Ur was successful then wtf would Dagon do? And if Dagon won wtf would Umaril or Merak do? What would Alduin do if the latter had gotten their way? These all powerful gods surely could have seen these events coming and did something to prevent it.

Instead they play a really dangerous game of someone else will do it. But apparently they couldnt see their own defeat.

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Most have singular purposes. Dagoth Ur's new Tamriel would still be subject to change in the eyes of Dagon, and whoever wins, Alduin still needs to end the Kalpa. Stuff like that.

I remember back when Oblivion came out and people thought the Hero of Kvatch would help build the ""new"" Empire after Martin's sacrifice
Turns out Ocato is murdered 10 years after the game, a brand new dynasty comes to power and the Hero mantles Sheogorath.

Expect the actual Empire Army to face stomp Ulfric in between games.

The PC fucks off in every game. The Dragonborn won't be any different.

bethesda trying to do a Black Marsh game would be similar to doing a Cthulhu movie. just no way to get the correct vibe across. the less we know about the Marsh the better it is.

If Dagon won he would go on to destroy all the parts of creation that were left over from him and Lorkhan saving bits of them during each Kalpa change. Eventually he'd finish and be reverted back into the Leaper Demon King

Same could be said for every province. Think Black Marsh should be the last before venturing out to Akavir.

Guess we'll see how the Beyond Skyrim team does it

A quick analysis of Skyrim Jarls per hold in the aftermath of the war
>Whiterun
>Jarl Balgruuf remains in power under the imperials and not much changes.
I personally think he was a great leader from what we know, certainly more proactive than many other jarls
>Vignar Gray-mane rises with Stormcloak victory in Whiterun
I personally don't hate the guy, he's just a traditional Nord. However he seems kind of old and senile, and I wonder how fairly he could rule Whiterun after his family's feud with the Battleborns. Probably replaced not long after with another Gray-mane
>Solitude
>Elisif remains in power regardless
Elisif is really weak as a leader though, which is why the empire and Ulfric both have no problem keeping her where she is
>Windhelm
>Ulfric remains and becomes high king
The ultimate Stormcloak outcome, and one I think has the potential to doom Skyrim if they can't establish some of their own alliances and trade agreements with the other provinces. Skyrim will be independent but at what cost?
>Brunwulf Free-Winter takes Ulfric's place
He seems alright to me, condemning war and looking out for everyone in the hold. Not too much to go by but I think he'd rule fairly post-war.
>Morthal
>Idgrod Ravencrone remains under Imperials
I like Idgrod and her family, they have some kind of strong tie to magic that gives them visions. She's the voice of reason in her backwater little town full of magic fearing peasants and is right to be accepting of Falion the wizard into Morthal. She's even seen at the Thalmor embassy warning you of their nature
>Sorli the Builder assumes throne with Stormcloaks
Some literal who mine boss who even admits to wanting to make a name for herself and maybe move on to Riften next. I can't see her being a good replacement at all.
1/2

By taking so long TES6 comes out and the project is abandoned?

Who would ever side with Ulfric? He’s a manipulative war mongering idiot who can’t realize the empire doesn’t want the thalmor around either but they’re too smart to cause senseless losses.

Was Lorkhan in the wrong?

>storm cloaks
>neither

neither
neither

Because banning talos worship is actually a metaphysical WMD and the empire is letting it happen, the alternative is ulfric who is just a conventional dumbass?

Depends on which races interpretation is correct, that said, elves ARE assholes either way.

No, shor did nothing wrong

Sithis superior.

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/thread

Lorkhan is basically his kid.

>eight (8) years later
>people still debating Empire v. Stormcloak
Evidence of Todd's genius or people's stupidity
Empire is the correct answer

>Empire
>Empire
All the way, baby. Stormcloak STR retards won't stand a chance against Thalmor INT chads. High Elf master race represent.

kys globalist

>Empire is the correct answer
You answered yourself, it is people's stupidity

LPBP

Based, paarthurnax is best side

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>Winterhold
>Korir remains jarl under the Stormcloaks
He's just an idiot really, doesn't even see the true value of the college and he's just pissy about Winterhold's destruction. Utter fool.
>Kraldar takes over under the Imperials
Stand up guy that makes efforts to foster a relationship with the college when he's not even in power. Basically better than Korir in every way
>Falkreath
>Siddgeir remains under Imperials
He seems like a total tool of a jarl but things seem to be normal under him and his steward.
>Dengeir comes back into power under the Stormcloaks
Another old fart, pretty paranoid but not without reason I suppose. I personally think this hold will have bad leaders either way.
>Riften
>Laila Lawgiver remains under Stormcloaks
Puppet jarl with shitty kids. Maven really runs things already.
>Maven Black-Briar assumes throne with Imperials
Total piece of shit dirty business woman. Oh well, she was already calling the shots anyway in the crime capital of Skyrim. Riften will go on the same no matter who rules but Maven will get rich as fuck.
>Markarth
>Jarl Igmund remains in power under the Imperials
Basically Ulfric lite who realized things wouldn't work the way he and Ulfric originally wanted to. (or was it Igmund's father? I can't remember) He's a decent man for the position but he should find a way to expel the Thalmor if he can. Anti-Forsworn, same as his replacement
>Thongvor Silver-Blood takes over under the Stormcloaks
This guy and his family are pretty much the same as the Black-Briar's, rising to power aggressively through business and conspiracy. The dumbfucks were trying to pull some stupid shit by manipulating the Forsworn but it doesn't end well.
>Dawnstar
>Skald the elder remains under Stormcloaks
Senile old fuck who's a terrible person to his subjects and not taken very seriously.
>Brina Merilis replaces Skald
Old Legion soldier, the people seem to like her. Seems pretty mature.

>Hurr I don't like Skyrim! lol
>Is active in a Skyrim thread

Retardation.

>joining the civil war instead of using your powers purely to stop alduin then retiring at High Hrothgar
Jurgen would be ashamed of you

>Nords invaded Skyrim

you may want to read up on some lore, sweetheart.

Imagine playing as a non-Nord and joining the Stormcloaks

Very, VERY redpilled.

Here I thought lightning couldn't be racist.

>implying Bethesda made fallout 2

It could be argued they did desu, but it was not without cause, the elves killed the original settlers, so Ysgramor (who was something of a pacifist beforehand) rounded up some Atmorans and BTFO the scummy elves.

Now it's their land. Even more so considering the Falmer cucked themselves into becoming blind maniacs.

I did this on my first play through, I played a dark elf, kinda felt like an uncle tom

this...

I don't like either side. Ulfric is literally the Thalmor's bitch who was brainwashed into going to war with the Empire. And the Empire lost to a bunch of elves who want to kill themselves. I also don't like either side because they all have this weird fetish for short sleeve uniforms in a fucking country that is cold most of the time.

>Stormcloaks
Because it was the closest door, and they didn't try to cut off my head.

>Imperial
Because they at least have armor that looks like it will protect you from more than a few swings of a sword.

regardless of the side you choose, it is impressive that this is still a thing, and one that gets big hits on Yea Forums. man i wish fallout 4 and tesVI werent/arent dogshit. I would buy fallout 4 6 more times if they jsut made a decent game.

Gee I wonder which is the better option
Stormcloaks BTFO

>Actually doing the main quest

Every character I've made I stop doing the main story after going up the peak to learn how to use shouts and just explore and fuck around literally and figuratively with mods.

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Stormcloaks
Empire

>Empire
>Empire

The Stormcloak point of view is such so dazzlingly ignorant of reality I can't even pretend to consider it's merits.

Ulfric was a dumb bigoted asshole, and then when you meet him in Sovngarde he basically says;
"Ohhh fuck! Whoops! I've gone and doofed it all up! Shit!"

Stormcloaks deserve the fucking headsman's axe. Their true crime isn't treason, it's being literally too stupid to let live.

>you can meet ulfric in sovngarde

Oh thats neat, didnt know that

>The Stormcloak point of view is such so dazzlingly ignorant of reality
Literally the opposite, the stormcloak point of view is the one that ACTIVELY PRESERVES REALITY ITSELF

>I'm embarrassed to say the Empire, but only because I was rushing through shit on my first playthrough and just wanted to get shit done. Also out of loyalty to the Empire from TES IV
>Stormcloaks with a passion. I quickly realised the Empire are turbocucks and that Ulfric is one of the best ever TES characters. Skyrim belongs to the Nords

based, the imperials are fucking nigs and tried to kill you without having any reason to, why the fuck should anyone with a brain want to side with them
if your IQ is over 20 then you either pick stormcloaks or just never finish the main quest

>not using mods to enhance the Civil War
pleb

Did that social justice retard ever put his civil war overhaul back up after he took it down when trump won the election?

>Imperials because I had no clue what the fuck was going on when I first played, I just liked their swords
>Stormcloaks because elf fags can fuck off

Not read a single post ITT yet but I just know Imperial cucks have almost certainly gone for the usual "muh dossier" trite. Amazing how many people misread that shit.

Chainmail and padded armor is much more effective in real life that you think user

You would have to be retarded to go imperial, and only retards lack the ability to comprehend it. So it makes sense.

Kek, no he didn't. I never actually got around to playing that particular one, and I'm glad I didn't support that faggot in any way in hindsight. There are still some good CW mods out there though, and I heard that guy's one was an unstable mess.

engine cant even handle the non modded version

>no mod to go Stormcloak but remove the retard Ulfric
Imperials it is then.

#prayforkvatch

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>Not read a single post ITT
I know it's hard to read words, user, but you gotta try!

imperial then, imperial now.

Imperials because I disliked separatists in real life
Stormcloaks because I became a separatist in real life.

>not liking based Ulfric
kys
youtube.com/watch?v=ipWWJU1_z5g

Neither, keep the war going indefinitely to keep the setting fun.

The events at Helgen are actually pretty interesting if you look at things with a wider lens. Your character is unfortunately caught along with Ulfric's band, and all of you were supposedly going to be extradited to Cyrodiil for war crime trials which would definitely result in a lot of executions. The Thalmor however are trying to avoid an end to the war, they want Skyrim to quarrel and bleed as much as possible according to the dossiers we retrieve at the embassy. What I think happened is that Elenwen met Tullius at Helgen to try and stop the executions he ordered from taking place, as Tullius probably knows that the Thalmor have a high probability of freeing Ulfric before he reaches Cyrodiil so the war will continue. That's just what I think of the Helgen situation. Your player character could possibly have ties to the Stormcloaks anyway, and the orders from above are quick and harsh executions to make sure the war definitely comes to an end that day. It's just that neither side could predict Alduin returning and you get a second chance at life.

>The Great Chapel of Mara is the smallest chapel in Oblivion
>It is still taller than 99.9% of buildings in Skyrim.

Little cheating pussyboy who even those siding with think is a retard that needs replacing.

Bethesda are secretly redpilled when they want to be. The Stormcloak Rebellion feels like video game Brexit before it happened. Ulfric is Nige. Tullius is Juncker or some shit. The Dunmer refugees are Muslim refugees. The Thalmor, well, we all know who they are.

stormcloaks
stormcloaks
fuck knifeears

>muh height of buildings matters
Probably a mutt. Nordic architecture looks much better than Imperial.

Stormcloaks
Thalmor

I like to side with the Imperials, overthrow the Stormcloaks, then kill the Emperor so both sides are leaderless and ripe for Elf cock

theyre both fucking trash and the lack if a middle path is just one blunder of many
Todd leaned way too hard into the ambiguous nature of morality and made two sides that nobody can root for
Not without shutting off your brain anyway

This guy gets it

>The empire
>The empire
We don't have time for bullshit infighting with Varg Stormcloak and his LARP brigade. We need to stand united to put those dirty, hook-nosed Elves into the oven.

You make it sound like the (((Elder Council))) doesn't have twelve replacements lined up at any given moment.

The Imperials represent compromise, the dilution of ideals, the cucking of an entire people for economic interests.

The Stormcloaks represent pure integrity. Even if they literally all get killed by elves, they will still fight because being an Imperial cuck is a fate worse than death. That's the point, there is no "option" here, either you have a free Skyrim or you die trying. Siding with Imperials is the equivalent of taking the path of America in real life, it is a hellish new world of identity-less prole slaves that is hardly worth saving at this point. It's better off to just die with your hand wrapped around the jew's, elf's, whoever's neck.

I beg to differ. That guy doesn't get any.

He looks like sminem

neither because the only rightful rulers of Tamriel are the Altmer.

>open Yea Forums for the first time in months
>every time I do so there are a number of long threads about TES lore, often people still debating the Skyrim Civil War after all these years
>the board will still claim TES is shit and they don't like it
Face it, Yea Forums is a TES board more than anything else. Everyone on this board seems to be a lore buff and these now old as fuck games are still being discussed daily. Everyone seems to have passionate opinions about the in universe politics and stuff, too. Feels good to have always recognized TES as the greatest vidya series of all time, and to be posting on a board which also recognizes this.

You know that Hammerfell was just a jest and the Empire was still supporting them undercover, right?

This man speaks the truth

The game is shit, the lore is good
I miss kirkbride

Empire
Empire
I wasn't a retard 8 years ago, I'm not one now.

>actually picking empire
Imagine actually fighting for the same side that tried to cut your head for literally no reason

That total lack of self awareness

I chose Imperials since I thought I could be the next king. You know, with the whole Dragonborn shit going on. Since that didn't happen, Stormcloaks.

You were just collateral damage though, they weren't taking any chances once the execution order was given that brought you all to Helgen. Don't take it so personally, and you can even kill the captain that sentences you if you follow Ralof at the beginning.

It doesn't matter if im collateral damage, they tried to chop my head because fuck you

I don't blame you for being angry about it. I would be, too, in your shoes. But it was all a mistake. You weren't supposed to be on that cart with those Stormcloak traitors. And the Imperial Legion needs your help, especially now, with that dragon out there somewhere, and Ulfric back on the loose. Sure, I understand. It's not easy to go from being executed by the Legion one day to joining up the next. But I think you'll see that the Legion is Skyrim's only hope for real peace right now. I know you'll make the right choice in the end.

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And they will be collateral damage when I start riding dragons around they ass.

>waaah I'm angry so I'll help destroy this whole province and weaken the Empire as a whole
Stormcloakfags are truly pathetic.

>no reason
>you was caught up with the revolutionaries who devastated the land with an useless civil war
There is no proof that you was innocent, in that case: goes to the chop block.

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Patrick Stewart

>Imperials
>Yes Man

>the Legion is Skyrim's only hope for real peace right now
>the same Legion who have been royally cucked by Elves for decades and have forsaken their own literal God/founder
Redguards kept the Elves at bay, Nords can do the same.

fpbp

Then im not gonna join the empire anyway, no matter the point of view, if you join the empire you are retarded

Imperials always have better armor

Empire, I absolutely loathe the Roman aesthetic, and Imperials as a race, but come on. The game starts off with the leader of the Stormcloaks captured, and he only escapes by literal divine intervention. The Stormcloaks have no chance against the Thalmor, at least the Empire can say it beat the Aldmeri Dominion enough to go from the brink to a draw.

There's no (native) Stormcloak heavy armor, how are they going to win with no shocktroopers?

>kill off stormcloaks
>people can still secretly worship talos as they please
>buckle up to kill a shit ton of elves
Problem solved

Same question different game.
Would you rather wear full body white armor or an orange jumpsuit.

Jarl Igmund is a literal Thalmor puppet. If you read the dossier, you'll see that the Thalmor set an agent to convince Ulfric to take Markarth back from the Forsworn. If you talk to Igmund, he tells you that he was the one that talked Ulfric into taking back Markarth. Jarl Igmund is the Thalmor Agent, and is responsible for the Thalmor's increased presence in Skyrim. He'll never get of the Thalmor because he works for them.

>people can still secretly worship talos as they please
Inquisitors allowed to freely roam skyrim murdering everyone at the shrines in the wild, banning the shrines in the cities and using jhajit snitches to catch people

Stormcloak soldiers tend to use 2-handers though, when I played I had immersive patrols running and it was usually a coin flip on who won when the 2 sides clashed.

There's little uniformity among Stormcloak soldiers, some will have two handers, some weapon and shield. I don't think the number of two hand skirmishers can do much to balance out superior defensive capabilities.

>Empire
>Empire
For me the Empire IS The Elder Scrolls,a TES game without the empire is like a woman without ass or tits

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BASED

There have been multiple Tamrielic empires already. The one in Skyrim is, like, the third or fourth.

Alright, can some lore nerd explain something to me. Don't elves like literally want to destroy all physical reality or something like that? Why haven't they been killed on site by every other race?

I don't think many people in tamriel actually know what they are up to, maybe not even lowly thalmor soldiers themselves. They just think they are genocidal. It's just been pieced together throughout the games and in a couple books about the towers, etc

plot armor. they are treacherous and genocidal maniacs.

Because non-elves don't know that the thalmor are that fucking stupid yet.

I appreciate you not trying to justify why the are better but just that you think they are cool. I wish more fags could be like you.

BUT WAT BOUT MUH DOSSIER?!11

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Imperial Steel Armor, and the closed face Imperial Officer Helmet look a lot better than some bear skin shit.

>NCR
>Caesar's Legion

I find it hard to believe that he's an agent considering all of the dialogue I could find on him. If he is then he's a fantastic liar/actor, and I'm still of the opinion that he and his father just made a deal they couldn't keep with Ulfric. He was already looking for ways to bring back Talos worship and no doubt hated the reachmen himself.

Turning on the god that brought your people power and security over the world usually isn’t a good idea.

BASED
A
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>Stormcloaks
>Imperials

I was this close to siding with Ulfric because I believed in spiel at first until I realized he's a bigoted asshole who's completely incompetent at protecting his people and disrespected the land's culture by abusing the power of his thu'um to try and steal the throne. His city's full of murderers, thieves, and any honest person who's of a lesser race goes on neglected. If you were to destroy the imperial army it leaves no one strong enough left to actually put up a fight should the Thalmor decide to fuck the treaty and come at you full force. He's also a confirmed double agent for the Thalmor. Ulfric's true nature is a greedy narcissistic fuck who's only interests are to serve himself.

>He's also a confirmed double agent for the Thalmor
Every time
That isn't what the dossier says, retard

>Bretons
>Bretons
Fuck the Reachmen, and fuck the Nords. Most of all fuck Redguards!

>Stormcloaks
>Stormcloaks
i seek out imperial supporters and execute them publicly arab style

>go stormcloak first because fuck da imperials
>think imperials make more sense
>realize that the redguards and hammerfell fought off the dirty stinking knife ears without the empires help, the stormcloaks can too.
>the stormcloaks were the good guys all along

Well first of all, not every Altmer holds the extremist metaphysical views as their higher ups. It's a pretty controversial subject (that being that life on Nirn is suffering and it needs to be demolished by means of more suffering and war) and I suspect that most Altmer just go along with things because they see success through the extremist leadership. Most people in the other provinces aren't in the know to even begin to think that the elves pose a threat beyond war and conquest, so there's not really room for a counter-movement without framing it as elves vs. man or empire vs. dominion. The other thing to consider is that the elves are really capable as a race. Think of all of the splinter groups of elves that left the Summerset Isles and established their own great civilizations elsewhere, and how even with those splinter groups the Altmer still reign supreme. In the end I think they will continue being TES's big bad because why not? Someone has to do it and the deceit of Lorkhan is ingrained in their culture if they look far enough for it.

>Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant

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childhood is siding with the stormcloaks cause they look cool, adulthood is realizing the empire is the right side all along.

I hope the next game is in Hammerfell, would love to fuck up some Thalmor cunts with my berserker

>he's a bigoted
Thanks for putting the notice that your opinion is worthless so early in your post my man

I think the Stormcloaks are attractive from an idealist's perspective but the true answer for eventually having a chance to fend off the Thalmor are the imperial legion, they need someone mighty like the dragonborn to influence them to the right path.

>ever siding with the Empire
The Thalmor are our greatest allies, right?

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He is an asset in the sense that he is anti-empire
Direct contact does not mean a thalmor justiciar walks up and says "shalom brother" it just means any sort of manipulation instead of leaving him to his own devices. Direct contact like when they tried to free him at Helgen.
He is a prime example of the enemy of my enemy is my ally of convenience for the thalmor, but they specifically don't want him to win. If he was a true thalmor agent they would be actively trying to end the war in a stormcloak victory which it explicitly says in the same dossier that they are trying to avoid.

>Neither
>Neither
Skipped and went for Dark Brotherhood/Thieves Guild quests every time, they're the most kino questlines

>realize that the redguards and hammerfell fought off the dirty stinking knife ears without the empires help
This was not well explained or displayed.

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Thieves guild is the single worst guild in terms of writing and gameplay.

>post an excerpt literally showing the elves have never made contact with him
Wow you're a retard, it's obvious the elves consider him useful because a civil war weakens the empire but that doesn't make him a spy.
You see the reason the elves wanted a civil war was because they assumed it would last for years and be costly. They never expected the dragon born to swoop in and end it in a fucking day, so no matter who you choose you've fucked over their plans.
Use your brain idiot

There are also guys like this elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Legate_Fasendil
You have to remember that most people live lives that seem to make sense to them as an individual. Falsehoods, propaganda, and general barriers to real knowledge are a driving force of TES. The elves would have a lot harder of a time doing what they do if everyone else could be convinced of their plots and war crimes.

Prove me wrong, Skyrim is "For the nords" and it's obvious how careless he is as leader by how neglected the lesser races in his city are. If he isn't bigoted then he's incompetent which isn't surprising.
Ulfric's a thalmor pawn, and regardless his band of merry men stand no hope of going up against the Thalmor when they're done biding their time. An Ulfric victory is exactly what Thalmor are hoping for to weaken the empire.

He actually kinda does

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But the armor/loot is so cool

>Empire
>Paarthurnax

There has to be a mod that lets you meditate on the way of the voice with mario dragon. I want to be a hermit monk who could tear someone a new asshole with a whisper.

The thalmor lost to desert niggers and are relying on the civil war to do damage because they are too weak to just roll in. First thing ulfric is going to do anyway is ramp up the military industrial complex for elf removal

>who you sided with first
Empire
>who you side with now
not playing Bethesda games anymore after this trainwreck of a shit game

>Prove me wrong
Bowling alone etc

>another stormcuck shill shilling
Not impressed. Read about your favorite puppet in here cuckedbrain.

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>He fell for Jurgen's shitty false religion
Imagine being so retarded and thinking a warrior god would punish you for using a warrior power.
also
>Not using your new dragonborn powers to seize the ruby throne and then using your new empire to dab on the thalmor to BTFO them forever.

The Redguards didn't have as fractured of a province as Skyrim, and that was before dragons started fucking it up more. The empire basically allowed the Redguards serving in the legion to desert so they could go defend Hammerfell since the treaty with the elves only disallows the empire from actively fighting them. The biggest redpill is that the Redguards are actually pretty superior to the dumbass redneck Nords of TES so the situations can't really compare imo.

The Septims are dead. The Empire should be too. Talos himself literally suggests this as the ghost Wulf in Morrowind. What kind of person supports the Empire in spite of that knowledge?

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The Thalmor literally created the Stormcloak uprising.

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you guys know the Stormcloaks winning is still bad for the Thalmor, right?

>We need to stand united
Why don't you tell us more about how you kicked out Morrowind when their volcano problem became too inconvenient, and Hammerfell when the elves politely asked that you serve it up to them on a silver platter? Or how Hammerfell repelled the elven threat on their own better than your entire Empire could? You can support the Empire all you want, but if that's the case, you can't also say in the same breath that you want unity.

Neither Empire or Stormcloak, I choose the Wolf Queen.

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Hammerfell literally had soldiers left there to help defend the province

Imperials
Imperials

Because Bethesda is lazy as shit.
The Skyrim for example in Arena was full of large stone buildings and full of cities with walls around them.
While in Skyrim most of their settlements are a bunch of wood shacks.

>he doesn't know that the aldmeri dominion cheated during the war and is the only reason why they managed to get so far

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>cheating
>during a war
u wat m8

>You aren't able to just go live in the Clockwork City with Sotha Sil
shit sucks, man

How they "cheated"?

>start off with a question
>no ? in site

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>Hammerfell literally had soldiers left there
Their own soldiers. Unless, did you mean to imply that they were Imperial soldiers sanctioned by the Emperor? Because they weren't, and you can't post proof of that claim since there is nothing mentioned in the lore to support that fact you pulled out of your ass. Feel free to try, though. Here are all the articles about the event that DON'T mention anything like what you said happening.

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hammerfell
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:White-Gold_Concordat
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Second_Treaty_of_Stros_M'Kai

I have to say it's getting old at this point. Every single thread like this, the Empirefags have to resort to literally telling lies. Just wake up.

I join the empire the because I know the bigger picture is remaining unified and to build up our strength to kick the elves out.

Don't undermine Hammerfell bros. They even fucked the Thalmor in the ass with their BBC even after losing a vital foothold thanks to a certain traitor (so they claim). If the empire didn't have enough might to entirely repel the Thalmor Ulfric wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance. If he weren't so narrow minded and could look at the bigger picture they could have actually done something about the Thalmor instead of trying to fast track his way to the throne.
>etc
>

which human race is the most based?

>remaining unified
hilarious
see

>yfw the next TES game takes place in Hammerfell and the only reason they Thalmor are repelled is because (You) stomp their shit in

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>moving goalposts

We're talking about Skyrim, not morrowind or hamemrfell but noice try stormcloak scum :^)

>In Hammerfell, General Decianus was preparing to drive the Aldmeri back from Skaven when he was ordered to march for Cyrodiil. Unwilling to abandon Hammerfell completely, he allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions before they marched east. These veterans formed the core of the army that eventually drove Lady Arannelya's forces back across the Alik'r late in 174, taking heavy losses on their retreat from harassing attacks by the Alik'r warriors.
en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War

Why don't they just hold a referendum on whether or not to leave the empire?

It'd be because it would be racist otherwise.

Yes, cheated. Didn't say it's not a valid tactic

They used a daedric artifact to track the movements of the imperial army

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>If the empire didn't have enough might to entirely repel the Thalmor Ulfric wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance
How do you figure? Hammerfell has proven that independent nations standing on their own without the Empire dragging them down is the way forward. Redguards don't have some secret power that they BTFO'd the the Thalmor with, at least nothing that the Nords don't have to a greater extent. Nords are the only race that genocided elves harder than the Redguards did throughout history. Even if that weren't the case, it's a matter of simple geography. Skyrim is situated behind a near-impassable mountain range beyond Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, and a small part of High Rock. The Thalmor can't even get through Hammerfell all by its lonesome. Without the Empire giving the Thalmor dickbags a direct avenue to murder Skyrim's peasants, Skyrim can contribute to the war effort while sitting quite comfortably and in no real danger.
>moving goalposts
But I'm not? Claiming unity in the name of the Empire is just absolute hypocrisy, given the events that have taken place almost entirely within the most recent era. Why should Skyrim stand for unity with the Empire when the Empire doesn't? Should they turn a blind eye to the betrayal of Morrowind and Hammerfell when it's clear that they're next in line to be thrown under the bus? That's just inviting destruction at the hands of elves, which, as we all know, is not the Nord way.
>ordered to march for Cyrodiil
>"invalids" to be discharged from the Legions
Thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Empire did nothing to help Hammerfell. The men were already fighting for Hammerfell when the Concordat was signed, it was only when they were freed from Imperial mismanagement (like a microcosm of all Hammerfell) that they found success. One man disobeying orders doesn't define the Empire's will.

That's not an option according to ulfric jewcloak

I’m not saying it was the Empire’s will, but the idea that Hammerfell repelled the Thalmor without any help is false.
don’t move the goalposts, m8

Any tips on modding this game to make it as realistic as possible?

>All men have to do is outbreed the mer and beat them in the second round.
>Let's have a man vs. man civil war between our best fighters lol!
Talos was a Breton anyways, you dumbass snowniggers.

you guys do realize defending is usually easier than invading, as quite a few wars have proven over time

Basically, a Yahtzee happened to me and due to not quite getting who I was supposed to talk to (went all the way to speak to Ulfric), felt rejected from the Stormcloaks.

So I said "fuck you" and went to Solitude to join the Empire.

Plus, I was a khajiit so I was feeling increasingly not welcomed with the "Skyrim is for the Nords!" talk

Nevermind, I shouldn't have dignified you with a proper response in the first place. Upon rereading the entry from the book, I realized it came from before the Concordat was signed. The same book also literally later goes on to say "In the end, the heroic Redguards fought the Aldmeri Dominion to a standstill..."

Don't talk to me about moving goalposts you n'wah.

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Killable npcs so you can take out The Blades asap

Talos was literally 3 different men

It can't be done and I have tried really really hard, the fundamental core of skyrim is based on being overpowered.

agreed.
Well met kinsmen.

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>it happened before
>that automatically means they all left right afterwards
>past assistances in a war won’t make future battles easier to win
oy vey

>3 different men
2 of which were definitely Nord, and 1 which people like to say was Breton but was most likely Atmoran (i.e. Nord). Seriously, what kind of Breton has a name like "Early-Beard?" AT BEST he was a Nord-fathered Breton, but there's still no proof of that. Not even close.

The Empire is vast and made up of varying individuals who hold their own set of ideals but ultimately operate through a chain of command, but it's misleading to imply that they abandoned hammerfell. Unity in the sense of strength, they're currently the best opportunity Skyrim holds at fending off the Thalmor and the concordat is being utilized to buy time until the civil war concludes and the Imperials have nothing in their way to strengthen their foothold. Skyrim's being lead astray by a self-serving manipulative politician who ultimately stands to be manipulated by a larger threat they've failed to anticipate. Ulfric isn't necessarily treacherous even though a lot of his actions are extremely questionable whether they're purely "in the name of Skyrim" but following him will more than likely lead to Skyrim's downfall in the long run. He may even have some finer ideals but they'll all go to waste if Skyrim is taken over. This simply isn't the right time for an idealistic leader, what Skyrim needs is strength and the empire are merely biding their time until they can regain their former glory.

And how about as medieval/enjoyable as possible?

Talos is the nickname given Hjalti Forgettable, the Breton who beat the shit out of Reachmen and went on to unite all the provinces into one empire before rightfully cleaning that name shit up to a "Tiber Septim" before ascending to godhood.

You know damn well who I'm talking about.

Oh wow, a standstill, so they didn't even win. The book even says they ended up signing a treaty to get them to leave, it sounds an awful lot like what the empire did.

This guy gets it.
Skyrim is better off leaving the empire and joining forces with Hammerfell against the knife ears.

even so, you can’t just nitpick

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THE ONLY RAPE I SAW WERE THE LIZARDNIGGERS TAKING THE RIDE ON HOUSE REDORAN'S DUNMER BBC AFTER THEY GOT PUSHED THE FUCK BACK. MAYBE THE DAEDRA SHOULD REOPEN THE OBLIVION GATE IN BLACK MARSH SINCE YOU GUYS HAD THAT ONE NIGHT STAND HUH? GET EATEN BY A GUAR, FETCHER.

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>empire
>empire
Most of reasonable characters literally comment how Ulfric never cared about Skyrim and only wanted power, and will glandly rule it in Thalmor if that is needed to keep it

>People Talos killed, one of whom he soul trapped and put the into a giant NObot
The hell is this slut saying?

Do you think Talos disguising himself as Wulfharth after murdering him made him "become" Wulfharth?

Not him, but fighting to a standstill is how you win a defensive war.
Which is what the Redguard were doing.

>How do you figure?

A legion of soldiers vs. a ragtag group of glorified bandits. Hammerfell received outside assistance and also weren't trying to fight off a civil war dividing their homeland. They stood united which is why they proved victorious. It's already been established Thalmor are backing the Stormcloaks because it aligns with their best interests. Besides the fact people are already being treated unfairly by the stormcloaks who knows what the future would hold should a group that ostracizes and neglects other races hold power. If Ulfric's men had to fight on another front but made sure to slyly allocate enough soldiers to hold off another assault you wouldn't be criticizing them

I have a list of about 30 mods which turn skyrim into a medieval bounty hunting simulator, but every bounty is against 20 bandits and most areas work terribly for a decent squad of followers so you may as well be superman

are they reasonable because they confirmed your bias?

seething Dungmer

Technically the empire did more than a standstill, they kicked out the dominion which is more than the redguards can say, which makes it even more questionable to why they signed such a one sided treaty.

yeah, kind of

M A N T L I N G

No, because prince of rift and yarl of Whiterun are few of only not retarded people you met in entire game
Of course Ulfric apologists don't care
Also if you kill Ulfric and met him in sovongard he will cry like a bitch because he regrets his actions of starting war for elf sake toget more power
If you side with stormcloaks and met emperial nord, she'll only regret not defending Skyrim and letting Thalmor filth like ulfric conquer it

>cheating
>using an extremely difficult power that requires years of training and practice to use even the slightest bit.
Ulfric cheated about as much as someone knowing kung-fu cheats in a street fight.

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>Which makes it even more questionable to why they signed such a one sided treaty.
Skyrim was against war because it ruined their economy and was away from them, so they demanded either stop it or they leave
Nords are niggers of tes

Neither, because fuck both!
Not like my "choices" will matter in the long run anyway. Todd Hackword will just write whatever bullshit he wishes regarding it. So, fuck 'em both even more.
Skyrim is just for porn mods anyway.

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he regrets not focusing on the true threat of Alduin

>we were allies in the past so we can renounce you whenever you want and it's still thanks to us that you're not dead
top retard
>what Skyrim needs is strength
I fail to see how the Empire is the answer to this when they've been proven to be weaker than an independent province. You call Ulfric an "idealistic leader," but that's not mutually exclusive from being a strong leader. Ulfric may be bombastic in his rhetoric but you can't deny the effectiveness of his methods.
All treaties are not equal you dumbass. I shouldn't even be dignifying you with a response either. You sign treaties when you win wars, and when you lose them. Hammerfell clearly won this war, the terms of the treaty included the immediate removal of piss elves from Hammerfell, no strings attached. It's absolutely nothing like the Empire offering up Hammerfell like a sacrificial lamb in exchange for nothing.
>Hammerfell received outside assistance
Wrong. Follow the conversation.
>They stood united
United with themselves? How is that any different than what the Stormcloaks are trying to accomplish? It's simple math.
(Province) - (Empire) = prosperity and military strength
Hammerfell is rebuilding itself after a bloody war pitched against them. Morrowind is becoming inhabited once again (with a little aid from Skyrim, albeit sketchy among some citizens as seen in Windhelm). The common denominator is NO EMPIRE.
>It's already been established Thalmor are backing the Stormcloaks because it aligns with their best interests.
no, they're backing civil war. the dossier clearly states, a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided at all costs. You people always ignore that part. If the Stormcloaks gain the upper hand, you can bet your bottom they would be doing what ever they could to aid the Empire.
>people are already being treated unfairly by the stormcloaks
not even true. there are two drunk nord CITIZENS in Windhelm who are pretty racist. big frickin deal

I didn't know sucking someone's dick until they leave your house counts as "kicking them out."

>Stormcloaks
>Neither
I thought Stormcloaks were the good guys, until I realized that both sides were bad.

>Skyrim is just for porn mods anyway.

I remember back when Skyrim was released youtubers were literally building their careers off showing skyrim mods, and they're still doing it now.

>High Elf
you deserve to be on that cart

Based Sheo poster.

>Then: Stormcloaks because the Imperials tried to execute me without appropriate list protocol
>Now: ignore because the quests are garbage

The Empire left guards behind to help defend hammerfell. I'm done with this because you are being willfully ignorant and there's no discourse that can be had with someone narrow minded.

>2 entire legions were left in hamerfall
>It doesn't count as help111111 Hamerfall did it themselves and true nords like Ulfric(who by the way sold of all his companions when Thalmor captured him) will lead Skyrim to victory
Stormcloaks apologists

The nords are the only reason the empire exists at all.
The niggers of TES are the khajiit and the orcs. Don't deny it.

>All treaties are not equal you dumbass. I shouldn't even be dignifying you with a response either. You sign treaties when you win wars, and when you lose them. Hammerfell clearly won this war, the terms of the treaty included the immediate removal of piss elves from Hammerfell, no strings attached. It's absolutely nothing like the Empire offering up Hammerfell like a sacrificial lamb in exchange for nothing.
You're wrong. The only thing we know about hammerfells battle with the dominion was that they fought to a standstill. Meanwhile for the empire it was
>On the 30th of Rain's Hand, the bloody Battle of the Red Ring began as General Decianus swept down on the city from the west, while General Jonna's legionnaires drove south along the Red Ring Road. In a two-day assault, Jonna's army crossed the Niben and advanced west, attempting to link up with Decianus's legions and thus surround the Imperial City. Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad. The heroic Nord legionnaires held firm, however, beating off the piecemeal Aldmeri attacks. By the fifth day of the battle, the Aldmeri army in the Imperial City was surrounded.
>Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government. An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions.
>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City in 4E 174 was bloodily vindicated.
They literally demolished the dominion army and kicked them out of Cyrodiil, that's way more than a standstill.

>two drunk nord CITIZENS

Not to mention it's a sentiment carried by more than "just two nords". If you'd actually played the game and interacted with the argonian or dunmer they'd tell you what life is really like in the city, how their people go missing, plights go unanswered, and live in squalor. Which is a lot like how native american women get treated in Canada.

>The Empire left guards behind to help defend hammerfell
No, they discharged a few "invalids." As if that's supposed to pitch the tides of war. Besides, this occurred when Hammerfell was still an Imperial province. It's entirely irrelevant to the Empire abandoning Hammerfell after the Concordat signing.

[x]pbp

Khajit are the niggers of Skyrim. Redguards are sandniggers and Orcs just want to be left the alone to their stongholds to pound tight orc puss every night

>and it's still thanks to us that you're not dead
yes, as shitty as it was to abandon them, without the empire the redguards would have been easy pickings. the fact that they only won a defensive war against a nearly exhausted super power attests to that.

Thalos was breton and just let portray him as nord to make skyrim niggers bore obidient

Reminder that people like this have the right to vote

>you receive an order to advance to another placement which needs immediate defending
>conveniently discharge some (((invalids))) to help hold off the Thalmor before marching on

Funny how people ignore this

>They literally demolished the dominion army and kicked them out of Cyrodiil, that's way more than a standstill.
And then they surrendered unconditionally to the Dominions ultimatum that started the war to begin with. You don't see anything wrong with that or how it would garner resentment among the soldiers or provinces?

>the report of what happened at the time is wildly different than what is described after
See, this is just Heimskal's sermon-tier stuff. Tiber existed as his own entity before betraying both Wulf and Zurin. To say his betrayal created himself as an Enantiomorph goes against what is described in The Arcturian Heresy and is defeated by the man known by Barenziah.

The Mantella is far more simple than that, but the truth has been lost in a lot of layers of mythos in the years following.

>They literally demolished the dominion army and kicked them out of Cyrodiil, that's way more than a standstill.
If that was true, the White-Gold Concordat would have reflected that. It didn't. Not even close. The Mede emperors may be the most incompetent schmucks to ever sit the thrown, but they aren't literal drooling retards. You'd have to be a literal drooling retard to surrender an entire province as well as bend to the commands of outlawing Talos worship if you had any kind of upper hand in the fighting.

Huh?

SHut up`1111111
Hamerfall defended themselves totally without empire help, and so skyrim will too, it doesn't matter that Ulfric doesn't care about nords and will send them out for more power1111

>they didn’t roll out the red carpet for us refugees
the dark elves are a bunch of whiney babies at best

That's typical military jargon.
They "won't" send more support because they CANT. The Empire is very weak and is spread far too thin.

They want to win, but can't lend enough support. So to keep us appearances, they say they "won't."
It's that simple.

Based! Usually, I consider neutrality the most retarded option. However, considering this is TES game and Skyrim at that, not bothering with either is the only correct choice.
It's utter waste of time to even try to do those. It's completely pointless and nothing of value is being lost if you don't bother with dumb Civil War shit.

Stormcloaks because imperials are faggots who think everyone should suck elf dick. Freedom or death in the game. Irl I'd side with Imperials.

No but you should look at the larger picture, they can't afford to be fighting two different wars at once when Skyrim is already being split apart because of an ignorant fool who lusted riches and power and later regrets what he'd done
Don't act ignorant.

Again, skyrim niggers threatened to leave because war is hard and taxing and isn;'t their problem at all, empire couldn't risk civil war because of backstabbing north niggers

I do see something wrong with their decision to sign the concordat, but the guy who signed it is dead now so who gives a fuck. I'm just disputing the claim that the redguards did more than the empire did, they didn't, since we know that the thalmor put all available dominion forces against cyrodiil and they mostly got destroyed by the empire, so hammerfell literally only had to fight the leftovers and even then they couldn't kick them out, they only fought them to a standstill.

dark elves have it coming. might just be the most racist assholes in all of Tamriel. even against fellow dark elves.

Dunmer women are sexy and have thick cocksucking lips. They should have written a spiritual successor to the lusty argonian maid

All fantasy is racist, nigger.
Ever since Tolkien fucking invented it, it's held that quality, and it always should.

>Imperial
>Stormcloaks
Changed after I learned that according to the lore the Empire is essentially a fraud because it doesn't have Talos behind it.

Oh wow, I guess the first and second empires weren't actual empires then

>The Empire
That's not what happened. Titus Mede demanded the Hammerfell General abandon the Province. The General thought this ridiculous as the Province was one of the main points of contention in regards to territory the war was being fought over. He discharged large amounts of native recruits.

Nothing about the Discharge was an attempt at the Empires part to secretly help the province. It was entirely an act of defiance against the Emperors wishes to handicap the province and all but guarantee that it fell into Thalmor hands. Hammerfell stands independent because it disobeyed the Empire and resisted the Dominion. Nothing else

>2017+2
>being racist

The fact that you have more confidence than the Empire speaks volumes about their incompetence. Clearly they wouldn't have abandoned Hammerfell if they thought they could defend it. The Redguards proved tenfold how unnecessary it was to renounce them.
Again, the time frame is the most important factor here, and it's funny how YOU'RE ignoring that. Those men don't matter. They were soldiers of Hammerfell at the time when Hammerfell was renounced by the Empire. They couldn't very well have come to retrieve them. Is the fact that the Empire didn't literally come in to extract their former soliders supposed to be a sign of solidarity? "Standing united?" Give me a break.
Okay, so clearly the solution to unrest in one province is to throw away another.
Absolute fucking troglodite.

>muh Talos
What if told you that Skyrim actually belonged to Falmer and Forsworn and not "SKYRIM BELONGS TO DA NORDS! WE SWEAR!", what if I told you that?
Not to mention on who Talos himself was and how he managed to become "God" in the first place.

Tamriel gets conquered by the Aldmeri dominion in the world where Ulfric destroys the Empire.

Ulfric doesn't destroy the empire

You're right, and further proving why time frame is the most important context for this stuff, which these Empirefags don't seem to understand. All they were doing was defending Imperial soil, while it still was Imperial soil. As soon as it wasn't, literally not one finger was raised to aide them. That's what matters here.

The truth reveals itself, acting out of defiance to defend another country doesn't matter and Ulfric's racist banditos are the best way to preserve Skyrim from a Thalmor invasion

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>they couldn't kick them out
That's literally what they did with the Treaty of Stros M'kai where the Dominion agreed to leave and not pursue the territorial claims the Empire had ceded to them.

>Skyrim is just for porn mods anyway.
/thread

To add, the definitive nature of The Arcturian Heresy, leaving no room for conjecture or debate, is probably why Kirkbride claims to regret it the most. There should always be room for autistic debate and side-taking over fictional media. The removal of such is what makes the present state of Warhammer 40k so tragic.

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neither. i used sex mods to kidnap ulfric and whatever the other cucks name was and then left them in my basement

AHHHHHHHHHH, HOW ARE THERE SO MANY RETARDS IN THIS THREAD, AHHHHHHHHH

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There's a difference though, the empire kicked the dominion by force, hammerfell had to use a treaty to get them out.

Yes he does
The Empire was barely able to hold onto High Rock as it was

>acting out of defiance to defend another country
If you're referring to Decianus, that's a false equivalency. he was acting out of defiance to defend an Imperial state, which Hammerfell was at the time of said act of defiance. Please try to pay better attention in the future.

or maybe the empire knew all along that Hammerfell could continue a defensive war to further weaken the Thalmor’s forces and it was all according to keikaku. either way, the redguards winning a defensive war does not prove they are capable of mounting an offensive without as much assistance as possible.

>phoneposter
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY EYES! KYS!

>Thalmor
>Reachmen

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>side with stormcloaks
>stormcloaks gain independence
>thalmor get free rain to curbstomp their shit
>humanity is more susceptible to elven invasion

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Kill yourself phonenigger!

(and it‘s beautiful)

Yep okay you're 100% right and keep living in your bubble where no one can question your beliefs

I just build a character and think about the choices they'd make.One time I made a lizard wizard Stormcloak that tried to convince the Nords of the powers of magic, primarily enchanting since that is something they already employ. If I was literally dropped into TES I wouldn't fight in any war I didn't have to. I'd go study magic and technology wherever they'd take me, preferably Morrowind because I like the place.

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>does not prove they are capable of mounting an offensive without as much assistance as possible
who the FUCK cares about mounting an offensive? Literally NO ONE wants to do that at this juncture. Why the HECK would you over extend your armies when the enemy hasn't even accomplished their primary objective from forty-ish years ago?

No he doesn't, here's the facts, in one of the two endings the stormcloaks are completely and utterly destroyed. In both endings the empire still exists, so which one is more likely to continue appearing, I can you tell one thing, it's not the stormcloaks since they aren't going to invalidate player choice and make one side canon, but the empire still exists independent to which was chosen, basically the civil war was irrelevant and the empire will either succeed or lose completely independent of it.

he just added in more layers to himself.
I dunno, it’s mantling, I ain’t gotta explain shit

not an argument. I mean, it's not even my beliefs, it's just facts. it's okay to admit when you're proven wrong, you know. it's just the internet, and you're anonymous to boot. no one has to know.

>the empire kicked the dominion by force
No they didn't. They won the battle of Red Ring. Mede still believed the Secondary force of the Thalmor would have destroyed the Legion in it's current state. That's why he signed the White Gold Concordat. Which is a Treaty he used to remove the Thalmor from Imperial territories.

Yep you just spout facts and have no bias whatsoever because everyone else is factually incorrect about everything. ok bud

because they’re going to find a way to fuck you up, one way or another. they’ve already deactivated several towers without gaining any real territory; the Thalmor need to be annihilated

What do you think this line means
>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed.
We also know that
>the Thalmor leadership committed all available forces to the campaign in Cyrodiil

You don't have to explain anything. I understand the legend, just like how I understand there are sources that go against it.

Stormcloakniggers avoiding any and all contact with the truth to hold on to their retard leader!

I mean that the Thalmor had reserves positioned to potentially destroy the Imperial Legion.

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>posting the sign of retardation
I was wondering when this pasta would get posted. 400 posts in, wow. It took longer than usual for the Empirefags to get their arguments destroyed to the point where they just hold up that there simpleton's gospel you posted and just screech.

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well, without any kind of bolstering if forces, they will eventually have more elfpower to conquer individual provinces.
sure the redguards ein against an exhausted AD, but I wouldn’t bet on them winning against a refreshed one

The empire predicted wrong

How does the Empire survive?
If Skyrim is lost Hammerfell becomes isolated and drifts outside of its control
Cyrodil is all that's left

>Just let Hitler conquer all of Europe bro, don't worry we can survive on our own xD

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Okay? He still decided to sign a treaty instead of removing the Thalmor "By force". Except his treaty did the opposite and gave the Thalmor wide sweeping access to kidnap people and interfere in their politics.

>wojak

It's too soon. Let them break their ships upon the rocks of Tamriel once more. Allow the new coalition of men made up from Hammerfell, Skyrim, High Rock, and the remnants of Cyrodiil to build a foundation, then send in corsairs, the privateers, and the sea raiders to drown their navy. Then the elf island will surely fall without risk.
They will never have more elfpower than the men have manpower. A "refreshed" AD is peanuts compared to a refreshed Hammerfell, much less a refreshed Tamriel. Elves just can't breed like men can. That's the reason why the Concordat was thought to be advantageous for men in the first place. Peace wasn't the wrong answer at that time, if only that was actually what the Empire was signing on for. The Concordat just so happened to have a metric shitton of retarded garbage tacked onto it.

Lol yeah lets just hope the most powerful navy in the world dies because ??? than their super fortified Island will totally fall, even though it never has in recorded history except that one time when a literal God was used to attack it. Even then they stopped part of it.

>rather than refute any of the points or even a counter pasta he simply insults it and nothing else
Wow, really convinced me that stormcloakfags have zero critical thinking skills whatsoever.
Guess it's natural what side you picked.

>Swords on the left hand side

I bet the Sinistral Elves are behind this

>most powerful navy in the world
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it’ll take the elves longer, but they will eventually catch up. all the more reason to mount an offensive with the other provinces now than to cut off from the others and wait around for that to happen

The whole point is that that pasta has been refuted for years and years. No point in doing it anymore, hence why it's now known as a sign of retardation. I'd have to have a counter-pasta at the ready for pasta of that caliber, but I'm not the type to fall back on stale pasta when i run out of arguments.

I only support the Stormcloaks when I play a High Elf

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Skyrim is for the Nords.

adulthood is realizing the empire isnt worth saving

Look at it this way. Alaska is trying to secede from the US because "muh heritage", while Russia is mustering forces directly across the water. The US deploys troops to Alaska to maintain the government and a presence to keep Russia out.
Stormcloaks might think they're freeing their country, but all they're doing is opening it to foreign aggression. Which is impressive considering out of all the factions in the game, Ulfric and his cronies seem to hate elves and the beast races the most.

nigger who the fuck ca res it's a game. there's other shit to talk about besides gayass politics. fuck this thread it deserves to get nuked

cringe and bluepilled

>WOW you didn't refute this five point post of retardation, blatant lies, and Mede dick sucking?
>Guess it's natural what side you picked

Fucking christ.

Stormcloaks
Empire

Ulfric is a literal Thalmor asset and the Rebellion even existing is a huge boon to them, plus even if he won there'd be no chancirio fhf shuiiicicf beating the Thalmor anyway.

>thalmor have free reign to walk through skyrim and murder their citizens by just claiming they were talos worshippers while the emperor stands by letting the thalmor fill the ranks with new elves, pissing away the men-breeding advantage
No, the empire opened skyrim to foreign aggression. Ulfric closes it

Do you have this with less jpeg?

>no chancirio fhf shuiiicicf
Ah yes, another "the literally illiterate misunderstood the dossier" episode

>The Concordat just so happened to have a metric shitton of retarded garbage tacked onto it.
To expand on this, it's almost like the elves threw those terms onto the treaty to haggle. Only the concept of haggling was entirely lost on Mede. The Thalmor were in no position to demand those things. It's like if some dude went on Pawn Stars and asked $40000 for a rusty motorcycle and Rick was like "okay."
>most powerful navy
every Redguard pirate ever would like a word with you
>even though it never has in recorded history
>except that one time
big brain
>they will eventually catch up
that's literally impossible. every minute that passes, mankind increases the gains they are making in bolstering their ranks. elves simply cannot outbreed man, no matter which way you slice it. there's no catching up, there's no closing the gap. the only hope they have is making the men kill each other, i.e. prolonging civil war. that's why they're so into that subterfuge BS.

>plus even if he won there'd be no chancirio fhf shuiiicicf beating the Thalmor anyway.
oh fuck, the elves just took another toweejgihhgto fuhuoaf

you know whats a huge boon for the thalmor? signing a treaty that literally lets them dictate empire policy.

>The Elves just defeated all the races of man at once
>Just let them take Cyrodil man I'm sure we can hold them on our own

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>STILL no counter arguments
>Just complaining it's an old pasta as if that invalidates the information on it.
>"i-it's a sign of retardation according to my stormcloak dogma!"
o i am laffin

Retard.

Also after a major war with Russia in which thousands of Alaskans died defending Washington DC, the Government has decided to allow Russia free reign to arrest anyone in Alaska practicing any religion that isn't Russian Orthodox.

this the Thalmor are there because the Empire put them there.
also the Alaska/Russia thing is incredibly misleading. The Aldmeri Dominion have zero direct avenues into Skyrim. Alaska/Korea would be more accurate.

So, did you have any actual facts to falsify what was on the pasta or not?

you have two cups of the sane size, one is being filled up at full blast, the other a drop at a time. if you wait long enough, both cups will be full and have an equal amount of water.
the elves literally can catch up and its a good idea to take action early before that happens

>Stormcloaks
>Imperials
I switched sides once i replayed and all the thalmor dossier. They where the ones who manipulated Ulfric into starting a rebellion. He was a merely a pawn for the thalmor to further weaken/fracture the Empire.

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yeah. saying anything positive about the Medes immediately invalidates everything you have to say. fact.

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To be fair, russian orthodox seems pretty cool

>>every Redguard pirate ever would like a word with you
You're unironically saying that because some pirates existed in the 18th century Caribbean, Britain's Navy at the time wasn't a massive strategic factor that made it influential on a Global level?

>except that one time
When they had a literal God Machine helping them, yes, that's a pretty big factor the empire doesn't have you cunt bag.

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