I see Final Fantasy XV gets tons of hate not only here but all across the internet. I stopped playing FF games after 10 but I was thinking about getting back into the series. Is the hate justified or is it an overreaction? I’ve seen countless times where this game is called the biggest disappointment of all time
I see Final Fantasy XV gets tons of hate not only here but all across the internet...
Isaiah Walker
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Austin Brown
It's an overreaction. It's very middle of the road but I wouldn't say mediocre.
Nolan Ortiz
The hate is justified OP. You can not fathom being hyped for this game a literal decade and then it ended up being a rushed, generic, boring, clusterfuck mess of a game. This is the game that made me stop being hyped for video games
Jack Martin
After all the DLC shit they added on top of the original release I don't know how it'll be now, but it was an unfinished mess when I played it, combat was shit, story and cutscenes felt unconnected, rushed and afterthoughts, the open world is kinda okay though, I liked fishing.
Juan Morgan
Overreaction, Windows Edition should have been GOTY 2018
Adrian Harris
For me, it was destiny.
But yeah pretty much this, it was literally the most hyped shit meant to bring FF into the modern era without the awkward story or gameplay of XIII.
It was supposed to be a complete revolution for the series, and it ended up being a literal steaming pile of rushed shit that's only good for maybe the first 8 hours and then just nose dives.
The worst part were the promises of it being fixed and finished, all of the DLC that came out the patches the add-ons it was all meant to lead up to XV being this amazing JRPG that it was meant to be.
Only for it's DLC to get axed and turned into fucking books. The fact that Square got away with this shit is retarded, I would have respected them more if they shipped out base XV and just tried to focus on the next game instead of keeping it on a lifeline.
It was literally worse than spirits for me.
Levi Adams
Definite overreaction. In it's current state it's a solid 7,25/10.
Gabriel Edwards
Lol fuck no. This game doesn’t even hold a candle to Red Dead Redemption 2, Spider-Man, God of War. Hell not even Smash Ultimate
Gavin Thomas
was super skeletal and incoherent in the narrative department at launch. game play is weird, and fake actiony... dislike is warranted.
Robert Kelly
Stay unbased, nigger
Evan Clark
Its only slightly better than FF13, if you were overhyped by this and bought it day one than it would've felt like a 4/10.
Angel Phillips
Rdr2 is fucking boring
Benjamin Myers
if you want to go on a gay adventure with a hairdresser, a selfie lover, a guy who bakes and a big Bear then this is the game for you!
Luke Baker
It's great with all those patches and DLC.
Brody Wilson
I'm going through it but getting kinda bored already. Doesn't help that my PC can barely reach 40fps with constant stutters.
Nathaniel Campbell
>being hyped for this game a literal decade
No I can't fathom that because it's fucking retarded. Why would you let yourself get so hyped? It's not a sequel to something you're invested in, it's just "another one". You built it up in your head as being something bigger than it could possibly be. penis
Versus never looked that good, it was an overly gritty/angsty anime RPG. I'm so fucking glad it didn't turn out like that.
Aiden Cruz
Red Dead Redemption 2 is pure fucking kino you fag get some taste
Nolan Taylor
Lock it at 30, fluctuating framerate is cancer.
Kayden Peterson
Gameplay sucks ass and major plot points can feel rushed/poorly paced plot in general
The best parts of the game are the optional bromance quest stuff where its just a bunch of dudes hanging out having fun
Logan Hughes
Here's the problems with FF XV OP. If you can stomach all this then go for it
>Majority of the sidequests are literally fetch quest which gets boring super quick
>Hunts get stale super quick as well
>Magic is fucked up beyond belief. Magic is used like grenades which can damage you and your party. Better off not even using magic at all
>Summons are literally random
>Combat is brain dead. It's basically hold O with the occasional Warp Strike
>Literally can not die and there is no risk. Game literally stops for 10 seconds to allow you to fully heal yourself and the party.
>Story is an utter mess. Characters are undeveloped and when it starts to get interesting, it just fucking ends
>Anti climatic final boss fight
>Character development for Prompto, Ignis , Gladious AND THE FUCKING MAIN VILLIAN OF THE FUCKING GAME ARDY is literally paid DLC
>Have to watch a CGI movie and an anime to even give a semi fuck about these characters which means the game did a piss poor job of establishing these characters on its own
>BORING
Nicholas Jackson
Even though the majority of the game I was feeling fairly unsatisfied that part of game still got me a bit
Joshua Ortiz
OP, here is some backstory as to why FF 15 gets so much hate. While Tetsuya Nomura was making Final Fantasy Versus XIII, the game looked incredible and had so much potential. It was a FF like we never seen before. But then in 2014, Square kicked Nomura off the project to make Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy VII Remake and then handed the project off to Tabata. Tabata at first stated he would keep Nomura's original vision intact but the more we saw from the game, the less it started looking like Versus XIII what we all was hyped about and more of a generic AAA open world game.
The game came out and it was rushed, severely lacking content and the story was an utter dumpster fire that was literally unfinished. Since the original release in 2016, Square attempted to fix the game and finish it but recently they dropped the bombshell that 3 out the 4 planned DLC to further fix FF XV story was cancelled and that Tabata was shitcanned. So now the game will go down as an unfinished mess and the biggest wasted potential of all time
Aaron Walker
The final campfire scene with the bros is the ONLY good scene in the entirety of Final Fantasy XV. Everything else felt underdeveloped, unrewarding or just flat out unsatisfying. The campfire scene is the only scene that felt rewarding. Like a heartfelt moment for sticking out this horseshit of a game. Ray Chase is a hell of a great voice actor though. He nailed that scene. I see him becoming the next Troy Baker
Zachary Russell
It's justified. The game is mediocre as hell, shit combat, and the "here is all the cool shit that will 'fix' the game" is locked behind a $15 DLC.
Hell, the Royal Edition was not going to be the complete edition. There was going to be a second round of story DLC before Square stepped in, cancelled most of it, and fired the director.
Brody Turner
Yeah, the whole part with Luna didnt feel anything because she got more meaningful screentime in the goddamn movie
Saying goodbye to your bros who were along with you for the entire time was actually something that could be used since it was actually built up
Josiah Nguyen
I still to this day, have no fucking idea what in the fuck they were thinking with Luna. Even more so, why was she so much more important than Stella that they needed to replace her
Carson Ward
Final Fantasy XV was a shitshow from start to finish behind the scenes as well
Gabriel Lopez
MGS5 was the biggest disappointment of all time. But FF15 was still shit and its production was a disaster.
Easton Thompson
>was super skeletal and incoherent in the narrative department at launch.
I only played it after the Royal update and I would still describe it like that. It's like a story with only the most key events and none of the in between to actually flesh anything out or make you care.
Landon Rogers
>>Magic is fucked up beyond belief. Magic is used like grenades which can damage you and your party. Better off not even using magic at all
Or you just equip the ring that negates magic damage onto any party member and then you use magic all the time because it's overpowered as fuck, and the real problem with magic is how tedious it is to constantly swap it out.
But everything else you said is true.
Bentley White
This but so is FFXV
Jayden Rogers
It's a mountain of wasted potential, The source material they were working with was capable of being an all time great video game but the director spent about 7 years chopping it to pieces. What we've ended up with is a game that has poor mechanics, giant holes in the writing, and every single other aspect is poorly handled or outright cut from the game.
It's a real hard game to pin down and really review because you have to balance what it is with what it should have been, and most people ignore the latter because they don't want to dig through a decade of development hell to see the truth.
Jack Price
Nomura was an incompetent idiot of a director who had no concrete plans for how anything would go and kept changing shit on a whim which is why it went on for so long with no real progress. Tabata was a dumbass who decided to make the game open world and the combat braindead but at least he was able to push the thing out the door.
Squeenix management is just fucking retarded to let this happen at all instead of putting a competent project lead in charge from the start.
Jason Green
>MGS5 was the biggest disappointment of all time
How? I see MGS fags post this but the game is universally beloved and scored amazingly. Why do MGS fans hate it so much but everybody else does?
Xavier Reyes
The campfire scene was ruined for me by how in the Japanese track everyone is using their young voices at the start of the timeskip chapter and then everyone abruptly switches to their old voices after the scene where they change clothes. One of the most conspicuous production fuckups still in the game.
I'll still take it over the shitty English voices and godawful rewrites.
Josiah Sanders
It's an overreaction. You know how people are on the internet. People here act like any game is either a 10/10 masterpiece or complete trash not worth playing.
Juan Wilson
This was the exact moment when I had a sinking feeling in my heart that this game was going to be shit. Goddammit
Kayden Parker
Wrong, you clearly haven't read anything and just want to spout bullshit. Nomura was never given his full sized team to begin work on the project because other projects at SE kept imploding. He was eventually pulled off and forced to make KH3 and FF7r because the higher ups couldn't wait for him to make his full trilogy (which they agreed he was allowed to make in the first place).
While you may have personal opinions on how you feel about Nomura games like the KH series none of that matters in this case, he actually did nothing wrong and was the victim of everyone else at the company being retarded. Tabata himself isn't fully to blame either.
Austin Diaz
The game is actually slightly above average. The only reason people are shitting on it is cause they had to wait 10 years for it to come out in the state that it was. As an open world, it has many flaws that other open worlds have but they hardly get shat on to the extent this does such as skyrim and botw. But it also had some good things. Music is really great. Many mobs to fight and they finally patched in a bestiary to go along with it. The story is admittedly told in a really awful way but the premise and cast are actually good cause the ending is genuinely great and it wouldn't have been if there wasn't any enjoyment to be had through the rest of the story. But yea, i would recommend now that it is fairly cheap but before when it was 60, id have told you to wait.
Thomas Reyes
The game is beloved and praised by game journalists who have never touched an MGS game and think that having an empty open world is the epitome of quality, and were also on Konami's payroll. The game is hated by MGS fans because it's a blatantly unfinished mess where the entire second final chapter is missing, and the ending just appears as a replay of the first mission with no changes until the very end which arbitrarily pops up after replaying some other missions on hard.
The story in general is massively lacking with Venom Snake being a non-character who barely talks because Kojima wanted Keifer to voice him because of his Hollywood boner, most missions have little to no story content and are just "go to X and do Y", the story itself is fucking retarded with the vocal chord parasites idiocy, and then the ending doesn't actually even explain Big Boss becoming evil which was the entire reason the game existed, it just said "we hypnotised Venom while him and Big Boss were unconscious so it wasn't even BB's decision and then BB fucked off to do stuff off-screen for the entire game".
The actual gameplay has great controls but is otherwise mediocre with the open world just being fucking empty and boring and the same goes for the FOB, the game is padded to hell with the shitty side ops, and not a single location in the entire game comes even remotely close to the complexity of Camp Omega's design from Ground Zeroes.
MGS5 is a fucking mess of a game that doesn't even qualify as a decent sandbox, let alone as a decent follow up to the series it's part of.
Easton Garcia
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Nomura said himself that he was the one who proposed turning it into a musical on a whim. This is not a person with a clear idea of what he wants to do.
Sebastian Barnes
it should have been a girltrip to find your cute husband while you have fun with cute boys in every town
Christopher Flores
>on a whim
Tabata already took over as director, nomura wasn't in charge of xv anymore
Christian Martin
>au.ign.com
would of been better than what XV actually turned out to be
I heard that has better combat than the Hold O "combat" of XV. Confirm or deny?
Xavier Wright
It’s not that bad. I only hate it because they fucked over early consumers. If you get into it now, it’s an okay 8/10 experience. As an early adopter though, I will have to forever give it a 0/10.
Henry Thompson
Tabata didn't take over as director until the end of 2013, that article is from when the teams were working together and Nomura said it was some months ago.
Either way your defence is retarded and doesn't change that Nomura wanted to make the game into something completely different on a whim.
Mason Reyes
>If you get into it now, it’s an okay 8/10 experience.
I only played it for the first time a few months ago and it was still shit and felt blatantly unfinished. 4/10 at best.
Cameron Jenkins
>Tabata didn't take over as director
He got the call at some point in 2012, joined the team by june-july and took over by the end of the year.
>wanted to make the game
Spitballing ideas when you're not the director anymore is overblowing things out of proportion, wouldn't you say?
Nathan Allen
Probably because you went into it with a negative mindset.
Levi Diaz
>I heard that has better combat than the Hold O "combat" of XV. Confirm or deny?
Confirm but that's not saying much. The combat was fucked from the beginning
Asher Watson
I'd actually avoided pretty much everything about the game until then and didn't know about its production issues beyond that there was an update to add more content to the final chapter. I even managed to avoid finding out that Noctis dies until an idiot I knew mentioned it to me while I was playing it.
Liam Scott
It's slightly below mediocre.
Your biggest shock will be the almost absolute absence of an endgame/post-game.
This is seriously the first FF, I believe, that discarded a core aspect of what made FF stand out from everything else.
Also it's just not fun to play. The combat is no different from what you would find from an AC game or any AAA game with combat, really.
You'll also find it jarring how it's essentially missing a generalised theme.
The "modern" take on FF is way to close to the real world to really be drawn in by anything at all within it; it's like playing a high fantasy grand theft auto, almost.
Andrew Gray
It's the biggest waste of potential in the industry. If you don't have any pre-existing expectations for the game you'll probably get more enjoyment out of the game then a lot of other people who played it, but you're time is probably spent somewhere else.
Here's the few good things I can say about it:
>episode Ignis is stellar. Way better than the base game.
>Adult Noctis and all of his scenes are fucking great but it's unfortunately too little too late.
>Ardyn has some good scenes
>game is gorgeous if you play with a high end PC
>Pitioss is pretty fun
That's about all I can say. I don't really have any comments about gameplay because it's rather unremarkable.
Joseph Morgan
>The combat was fucked from the beginning
fucking Tabata. Not even Comrades could fix the combat all the way. At least magic worked like the KH style shortcuts instead of equipping a fucking grenade in a weapon slot that would be better suited for a weapon and passive stat bonuses
Angel Thomas
Then your scoring system is off or you just sucked at it.
Connor Wood
the fuck you said user?
it has a lot of post game, lots of special bosses
Daniel Turner
Tabata's philosophy for game design pretty much fucked it over once they reworked the combat. I'm sure someone has the images of him complaining that he made the combat more simple due to his age and then wanting to make the enemies attack patterns random or something
Aaron Mitchell
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>“I wasn’t the director at first, but when I was formally entrusted with the duty (in December 2013), ‘September 30, 2016 is when we’ll release it,’ was the first thing that was decided,” shared Tabata.
Prior to the end of 2013 Nomura was still working on the game as the co-director.
>Spitballing ideas when you're not the director anymore is overblowing things out of proportion, wouldn't you say?
Except he was still the co-director and it was a stupid enough idea to have at all, let alone to propose to his bosses.
Gavin Brown
How do you suck at a game where you do nothing but hold circle and cast magic to nuke anything that doesn't work against?
Josiah Jenkins
>there was an update to add more content to the final chapter
that "update" was fucking $15 DLC to day 1 buyers, including Season Pass holders
Joshua Anderson
>Nomura was still working on the game as the co-director.
But he wasn't the actual director. Tabata was in charge of all gameplay and story decisions long before nomura left
boards.fireden.net
>E3 2013 was a proof of concept based on Noruma's version of what the game would have been and nothing more. Tabata was already changing it and the characters/story while it was being made to show at e3
>stupid enough idea to have at all
They've made an entire franchise out of square enix and disney fanfiction crossover involving clones, time travel and traveling inside people's souls. Nothing is stupid enough for square
Jason Perry
How's episode Ardyn? Worth watching on Youtube? I very much doubt it's worth reinstalling.
Connor Scott
I watched it on youtube its like 40minutes long
TL:DR Gods, especially bahamut are even bigger dicks than they seemed before
Ryan Gray
What you just said proves my point. I mean, I get it. If I didn’t understand how chess works I’d score it pretty low too. It’s okay.
Charles Thomas
>How's episode Ardyn?
full of retcons and explains why he wants revenge on everyone
>Worth watching on Youtube?
its like 2 hours, give it a watch but it's not worth the $10:
youtube.com
Jeremiah Gomez
>But he wasn't the actual director. Tabata was in charge of all gameplay and story decisions long before nomura left
He wasn't the director. Neither was Tabata. They were both co-directors. Your link to the leak posts does not challenge this notion. What are you finding hard to understand about this?
>They've made an entire franchise out of square enix and disney fanfiction crossover involving clones, time travel and traveling inside people's souls. Nothing is stupid enough for square
That's a complete non-sequitur as Kingdom Hearts' own series and its quirks has nothing to do with the idea of retooling a game into a musical mid-development and on Nomura's whim, which again, is simply showing that he didn't have a concrete vision of what the game was going to be.
Andrew Hernandez
Answer the question, please.
Robert Rivera
Ive put 200~ hours into the game playing it twice(once on release once late last year on PC for the DLC I didnt buy) and the combat is garbage man
Even ignoring shit like quad unicast III being a "fuck you" button for 99.9% of the enemies even the basic shit revolves around holding O and then air stepping away to dodge if you feel like
Gladio and Ignis's gameplay are both far superior despite still being simple
Connor Scott
he's just reaching for straws. You can't suck at this game.
You have free reign to use items whenever, including at 0 HP.
Not to mention an easy mode that will revive you for free.
FFXV really needed a hard mode. Like limiting item usage in a fight (which fucking Neptuina did in VIIR) or limit how many times you can go into danger mode (which Middle-earth: Shadow of War did)
you can get Quake magic in this game? I thought it was fire/ice/lighting grenades + the ring magic
Gavin King
You suck by using the crutches the game gives you for sucky players.
Well it’s a shame you out all that time in an didn’t learn nothing.
Isaiah Jackson
>Your link to the leak posts does not challenge this notion
>tabata mentioning he was in charge in his own words and the leaker explicitly stating tabata was in charge of story decisions means nothing
wew lad this denial. Let me ask you this:
Why would they let the soon-to-be former director be in charge of major decisions involving the project?
>retooling a game into a musical mid-development
Newsflash sweetie, the entire game was rebooted in 2012. The story, characters, and gameplay were being changed. Versus was dead and XV was being made from it's corpse
You're making a mountain out of a molehole from an idea he suggested during a period where everything was changing.
Alexander Sanchez
>The "modern" take on FF is way to close to the real world to really be drawn in by anything at all within it; it's like playing a high fantasy grand theft auto, almost.
I think "Urban Fantasy" is cool and can work in Final Fantasy I just think it was handled poorly in XV. I wanted to explore Insomnia goddamnit not a bunch of gas stations and shitholes like lestallum. Altissia is the closest we have to a proper city but I think they fucked the ambience there too (generics walking around with jeans and t-shirts breaks the fantasy, the music is gay and they should have just kept Valse De Fantastica like in platinum demo).
It's only 2 hours so I'd say watch it but it's pretty disappointing.
Luke Ward
I would’ve loved it if they implemented a difficulty mode like TWEWY’s. Even the option to lower health for a greater risk vs reward factor.
Xavier Rivera
>You suck by using the crutches
Not him but using the basic ass gameplay mechanics is a crutch?
Andrew Morales
Theres pretty much nothing to learn about the game user
you can dodge at last second if you are feeling fritzy
Sure theres shit that does not matter at all like certain weapons dealing more or less damage to some enemies but the combat at its most complex is fucking garbage
Jaxon Brooks
>that pic
Will never not be sad and hilarious to me.
Nolan Ward
>Why would they let the soon-to-be former director be in charge of major decisions involving the project?
They didn't, hence why they rejected his idea to turn it into a musical.
>You're making a mountain out of a molehole from an idea he suggested during a period where everything was changing.
I'm saying that Nomura had no vision and that was clear by how the game already spent six years in development hell before Tabata was brought in.
Asher Price
There is a vocal group of people who haven't enjoyed anything Square Enix has made in the last 20 years, and I wish they would just move on already.
Carson Wood
and you think everyone who dislikes XV is from this group?
Ayden Mitchell
>the music is gay
Reminder that they used Lestallum's music in Altissia instead of Altissia's music by accident and never fixed it.
Colton Gray
15 IS SHIT
Noah Foster
Not true. I love the shit out of TWEWY, KH2FM, Bravely Default, and some other games. I just don’t think XV is a good game.
Cooper Johnson
>I'm saying that Nomura had no vision
Based on an idea he had for a new version of the game that he wasn't the director of? What are you even talking about?
>that was clear by how the game already spent six years in development hell
Oh, that makes sense.You really have no idea what versus went through and are just blaming nomura because
Brandon Anderson
>basic ass gameplay
The bare minimum? Yeah, that’s the crutches.
For piss poor dps. I can understand why you’d hate the game if you sat there whittling down the enemy health the most inefficient way possible. How are you going to have fun if you don’t even take the time to learn the system.?
William Bennett
Fuck off modern faggot your not a true fan.
10-2 is shit
11 is shit
12 is shit
13 is shit
13-2 is shit
13-3 is shit
14 is shit
15 is MEGA shit
Dissidia is shit
world of final fantasy is shit
type zero is shit
7 Remake will be shit
16 will be shit
17 will be shit
1-10+tactics for life death to square enix praise Squaresoft.
Bentley Martinez
I still don't fucking understand why they though butchering the game into DLC episodes, an anime a movie and other shit was ever a good idea. Also I've heard that it costed square 33 million, anyone know where that came from?
Jeremiah Gutierrez
Squares smaller side games have all been pretty decent for the last 15 years
>FF TA
>KH BBS/DDD
>Dissidia/ 012
>Theatrhythm
>bravely default
>Type 0
Its just their big budget titles have been let down after let down except for 14 ARR if you like MMOs i guess
Dominic Gray
>whittling down
The only enemy I remember taking any amount of time to kill was the bipedal dragon fuck at the bottom of some high tech vault and he was like 40 levels higher than me
Evan Reed
Well sure, once you get used to it, or doesn’t seem like “whittling down,” but to someone who actually plays the game the right... well, don’t worry about it, user. You do you. 4/10, sure, that’s your score, okay. You go on ahead and feel that way.
Anthony Morales
user, I tried my best to enjoy the game. The combat still sucks ass.
Josiah Lee
>Its just their big budget titles have been let down after let down except for 14 ARR if you like MMOs i guess
I thought kh3 was fine. I'm also aware of how much content SE usually adds in later versions of kh games (difficulty modes and secret bosses post jp launch of kh1, all the shit in kh2fm, the secret episode in BBSFM) so maybe that's why I'm more lenient towards it than the more vocal critics and now I'm just waiting for the dlc
Nathan Robinson
Like I said, i’d think something sucks if I wasn’t any good at it either, so I ain’t calling you out. You feel however you want to feel.
Gavin Thompson
Any fight that wasnt a large high level monster ended in like 45 seconds to maybe 2 minutes for the level 90 iron giant fuckers
The 3 longest fights in the game for me were an 84 griffon that took maybe 5 minutes, the vault dragon who I cant remember what the fuck the name was taking around 15 and then Melusine taking maybe 10
Daniel Bennett
It's still an unfinished pile of shit but a lot of random shit thrown in now. Gladio fucks off like normal, except you know it's to go fight gilgamesh for no real reason. Ignis dicks around gets blinded in Altissa, and Prompto fucks around in the snow with Aranea before getting captured (off screen of course). None of the dlc meaningfully added to the game's story, except ardyn kinda, and that just makes the story of Noctis having to sacrifice himself even more bullshit.
Lincoln Russell
I havent played KH3 because I just dont want to touch my ps4 so I decided to hold off for PC version never ever after FF15 was abysmal on launch and only got somewhat better after a year of updates
Hunter Long
>Squares smaller side games have all been pretty decent for the last 15 years
>>FF TA
>>KH BBS/DDD
>>Dissidia/ 012
>>Theatrhythm
>>bravely default
>>Type 0
funny you list Type 0 because the guy who ruined 15 also directed Type 0.
>so I ain’t calling you out
except you are with
> if I wasn’t any good at it either
>How are you going to have fun if you don’t even take the time to learn the system.?
The game is so fucking easy that you don't NEED to learn it.
Luis Martinez
>implying
How much is Square personally paying you?
Gabriel Long
>PC version never ever
I'm sure someone will ask nomura about a pc version at some point during the e3 period, if not before
Luis Young
>45 seconds to 2 minutes
Wow. Okay, that’s fine, I guess. I mean however you want to play, you know. I ain’t saying those are bad numbers, but like, even against basic wolves and shit? 45 seconds? No, no, don’t mind me. However you play is how you play.
Nathaniel Wright
Royal Edition actually adds the shit that should have been in including Episode Ardyn. I know many are salty but honestly going back and replaying I did like it for what it was.
Christian Turner
just wait for a Final Mix version of KH3. It's okay but the problem is that it's too damn easy, even on Proud (yet still harder than XV).
Plus there is apparently a Critical Mode patch in the works but the release date for it is "soon"
Hunter Bailey
No I meant like entire troops of magitek troopers
Who the fuck fights wolves past level 2
Kayden White
Nah, man. I said it’s fine. I don’t fault you for not playing how somebody who’s actually good would play, you know. It’s like how Lebron wouldn’t pick on the guys playing hoops in the hood. It’s all cool. You guys can feel however you want about the game.
Isaiah Gonzalez
>No I meant like entire troops of magitek troopers
those were just "use a grenade" fights.
>Who the fuck fights wolves past level 2
people who realize that a kill done with a Warp Strike is 1 AP?
Levi Kelly
>English voices.
Why would you do this to yourself? Gladio was the only one of them that somewhat matched and British Ignis is horrible. Holy shit he goes from smug team dad to smug asshole.
William Walker
Again, how much is Square paying you?
Aiden Johnson
Paying me? Bruh I already said I personally gave the game a 0/10.
Christopher Garcia
>actually bothering to do that instead of warp striking as far out as possible refilling on warp points for MP to cover a shit ton of distance
Why the fuck would I bother to grind in such a mind numbing easy game
Sebastian Turner
Okay, how far along are you and how are the troops spawning? Because not to say those are bad times, but just give me what we’re working with here.
Kevin Nguyen
Casually playing, you get maybe like a 6th of the total AP needed to get all the skills because there are some fucking 999 AP skills.
and yet, you are passively aggressive to people who dislike XV's combat
Parker Turner
Okay, so maybe I found the answer. You never unlocked the better attacks so you kept relying on the crutches the game gives you.
Charles Brown
Passive aggressive? Me? Bruh, I already I don’t mind. It’s okay to not like what you’re not good at.
Juan Reyes
It's fucking retarded, why would Somnus be completely composed as a fucking Giant Knight and pointing out that Ardyn is fucked in the head and makes me feel like the anime was literally Ardyn convincing himself that he was entirely faultless in his fuckup. Also it proves that he literally filled himself with corruption thinking because the Gods loved him and showed him favor that they'd magically just fix him even when they were warned about the Starscourge.
Easton Powell
Holy shit, you’re a pretentious faggot. The game’s combat is shit, my dude. No amount of “gitting gud” (not that you’ll need to git gud considering how braindead the combat is) is going to change that.
Logan Myers
>You never unlocked the better attacks
That is true only because the game never implanted the need for me to get extra combat moves.
It lacked.... motivation for me to learn.
Luke Ward
See, that I can agree with. Probably the biggest flaw is that there’s no real reason to use anything but the bare minimum.
Okay, I already said okay. Combat can’t be fun if you don’t learn it. What else do you want me to say?
Thomas Johnson
>You guys can feel however you want about the game.
I think it's a piss easy game that's catered to newfags and babbies. It's item system is broken, they allow a shit ton of time for you to revive the party, the summons act as a lifeline if you take too long, it has a ring that can one-shot enemies, it's magic system requires you to farm and then can damage the party if you aren't wearing a ring (that wasn't available at launch by the way) and the combat is incredibly basic that doesn't require you to put that much thought into it other than hold attack+warp (+heal) occasionally.
The only two options for difficulty modes are normal and an easy mode that auto-revives once if you somehow die. I played the game at level 1 on normal mode my first try. It only made the battles tedious, not difficult. The only time I ever died was flying the car, because the devs are so incompetent they couldn't even bother to program a mode of transportation correctly. When a good chunk of the game revolves around that fucking car.
They never thought to include a harder mode (to you know, make the game challenging and make the player take full advantage of the combat) in the 3 years of dlc because they are incompetent morons. Maybe that's why you defend them and the game, you can relate to them
Aiden Bennett
>i-its not the game that’s bad, it’s the player that’s bad!
Again, how much is Square fucking paying you?
Cameron Gonzalez
Okay, sure. If that’s how feel, user. I don’t mind. Again, I won’t enjoy something that I don’t take the time to learn as well.
user, why does it bother you so much that YOU don’t like the game. You said you don’t, I said okay. What’s more to say?
Isaiah Rodriguez
Dear God, can you be any more of a faggot? Oh wait, you’re an XVfag, never mind.
Jace Morris
Wow, and now a resort to homophobic slurs. I see you spent as much time coming up with witty insults as you did mastering the game’s combat system.
Gabriel Perez
Episode Ardyn is legitimately the best piece of the entire fucking game, and that's being generous. I honestly wish the Dawn to the Future was done because the Alternate Timeline stuff seemed really intriguing and I'd have liked to have seen what they did to change Noctis' and Co's fate. Why can't square keep shit like this under wraps until their sure they want to go through with it?
Camden Mitchell
>Wow, and now a resort to homophobic slurs
Not an argument.
Dominic Parker
>homophobic slurs
You need to go back
Isaac Carter
>I don’t take the time to learn as well.
I don't need to take the time. There is no absolutely no incentive to learn the supposed "secret awesome TRUE way" to play xv.
I'm sure it doesn't exist either. You not even trying to defend xv is proof of that
Jaxon Sullivan
Funny considering the post I was replying to. Let’s just end this. You don’t like the game. Okay, I understand. Someone has to typically understand the nuances to enjoy something so I don’t blame you. Let’s just leave it at that.
Cooper Perez
That’s the weirdest part, isn’t it. I’m not even defending the game and yet you people just refuses to let this go. I already said I was bound to give the game a 0/10.
Dominic Sanchez
>I’m not even defending the game
Yet you continue to respond to people criticizing it and telling them that they need to learn how to truly play it to enjoy it
Colton Murphy
user, he’s an XVfag. You’re just wasting your time.
Jacob Gonzalez
Nonsense. I’m not insisting on anything. I think anyone is free to play like shit and not enjoy a game because of it. We have varying degrees of skills, user. I would never push you guys to learn something you don’t want to.
Ryan Martin
I know. The fact that he keeps insisting the game is deep and the player is at fault while not elaborating how or why is telling
Gavin Watson
Again, the fact that you keep bringing up the auto attack is pretty telling.
Thomas Taylor
I would just say he’s Barry but he hasn’t brought out any webms or XV memes yet so it’s possible that he’s just another delusional XVfag. Which is sad, when you think about it.
Jace Anderson
Pros:
>likable characters
>great music
>lots of content w/ DLC and added features
>some great set pieces
>open world with the bros is comfy
>cool story elements
>some cool art direction
Cons:
>some of the worst sidequests in any RPG
>battle system is shallow
>disjointed, poorly paced story
>all the plot crammed into linear ending
Plenty of flaws but still enjoyable. Especially after Royal Edition.
Gavin Reyes
>keep bringing up the auto attack
There are other people responding to you. I brought it up once in my own post. And it's one small problem of many that I had with xv's dogshit gameplay. The problem isn't necessary hold o either. The issue is the game easy and broken enough that it allows you to do this for the majority of the fights without issues. Why go out of your way to do this alleged true way to play that you keep implying exists when the method I described earlier is much more efficient?
I purposely made the game harder for myself too and nothing changed either.
Jose Campbell
What’s really sad is the fact that we both agreed the game is shit and yet you keep feeling the need to attack me over your own lack of understanding of the game’s combat system.
Zachary Wilson
Oh, I understand it just fine. I just fucking hate it. The game is actually pretty simple to understand, it’s just a fucking tedious game to play through.
Sebastian Williams
>lack of understanding of the game’s combat system.
I've gone more in depth about it than you have. Saying it's deep while not explaining yourself just proves you and the game's combat are just shallow
Ethan Flores
Auto attack is the least efficient method because it does the least amount of DPS. I already said the game was shit because it doesn’t force the player to differentiate from this strategy. However, it doesn’t mean the player isn’t shit for using this crutch. But if this is the only way the player knows how to play, then I can accept that they wouldn’t like the game.
Dylan Rodriguez
I agree. It IS tedious when one chooses to use the easiest method and not learn anything else.
I’m not trying to change your mind, user. I already said I don’t care how shit you are at the game, and therefore how much you hate it. It makes no difference to me.
Landon Collins
So this is the mind of a delusional XVfag. It’s actually kind of a sad thing to see.
Zachary Morris
Not as sad as someone not taking the time to learn and then having feel like they wasted their money. I mean if you’re not going to take the time to get acquainted with a game, why even play it, you know. Save yourself the disappointment.
Isaiah Martinez
Why does Noctis seem so divisive between people?
Is it another English/Japanese 2B situation?
David Fisher
Nigga, I’ve gotten plenty of time to get acquainted with the game. It’s still a shallow mess. How many times do I have to have to repeat it until you’ve gotten this into that hollow shell you call a head?
Connor Russell
>already said I don’t care how shit you are
Blaming the player for the devs making a shitty game with a broken combat system is on par for stupid shit that xv-kun claims. I've gone over why other shit besides hold-o is bad (and that's not even getting into other reasons why xv in general is horrible) and yet you keep focusing on it because that's the only thing you yourself can handwave away, poorly too
You still won't tell us what the true way to play is either.
Michael Flores
Chase Bailey
Again, user, and please stop making me repeat this. I’m okay with you not liking the game. So let’s just end it here, okay. We both agree that you don’t like the game, because it’s hard to like something that you don’t take the time to learn. And we both move on.
Hudson Hughes
They got swallowed by hype and cynicism. Same thing that's happened with KH3.
Cameron Miller
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, user. So I don’t care what whether you ever play the game correctly. Just like I don’t care that you hate the game because you don’t play it correctly. Spoke I said to the other guy, let’s just leave it at that.
Jason Davis
He’s got good character so some people like him because off the bat, he’s better than the past few portages we’ve gotten, but he doesn’t really grow or develop and is pretty one more, hence the hate.
James Edwards
Spoken like a true faggot
I barely even knew shit about the hype this game generated. I’m basing this off of my own experience and comparing it to other games I’ve played. It’s still shit, nigga.
Jayden Campbell
>the combat is deep enough to be learned
how much of a fucking brainlet are you? You must be a sub 80 IQ monkey to find FF15's combat "deep". Literally hold block and hold attack at the same time. Release attack before the obviously telegraphed attacks to block them/phase evade.
Maybe you're talking about the totally hard to learn techniques? The ones that add literally nothing to the gameplay except "here's ure cutscene bro :^)" Spam Piercer and Impulse to win, wow so hard to learn. Or maybe you think cutting off the missile pod gimmick on the mechs is some sort of clever monster design that gets used everywhere in FF15? I can safely say it doesn't.
The only thing I could compliment the game on is letting you switch to Gladio for any amount of skilled gameplay. Just fuck off with this nonsense that the game is difficult or requires """learning""".
Jack Bell
>you ever play the game correctly.
You keep repeating this yet you can't explain yourself. Do you also think team attacks and armiger are deep too?
Nathaniel Howard
Congrats, you mastered the basics. And it seems like that’s all you did. For the entire game.
Bruh, it’s 2019, how about some quips that don’t bring someone’s sexual orientation into this. Oh wait, I guess that’s your go to insult spam, same as holding O to attack. That’s probably why I can’t take you seriously in either subject.
Levi Sanchez
Already told you, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. Play the game using crutches and being shit. I don’t care.
Luis Evans
Oh fuck off, you patronizing twat. You keep going on and on about how supposedly deep this combat system is but you don’t even explain jack shit about it.
Noah Gray
>Play the game using crutches
I've going to go over the entire game's combat system at this rate and you still won't explain why I'm wrong about it or that I don't know shit. Do you honestly think something like Links attacks (pressing a button, watching a little attack animation and then doing a QTE) are deep?
>and being shit
I've beaten the game at level 1. I'm not at fault for knowing what I'm talking about and still calling the game's combat shit
Jeremiah Johnson
>XV Combat
>Deep
I have to wonder what other games these people play to think that XV has any semblance of deep combat
James Cruz
Here's your ffxvi Bros!
John Thomas
Duh, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. Why bother explaining anything when you guys aren’t going to listen anyway? All I needed was proof that you guys were shitter and I got it. So let’s just leave it at that and let this thread die.
Nathaniel Ramirez
Ardyn is the one reason to play FFXV
he was a good villain
Thomas Evans
Unironically based
David Reed
>Why bother explaining anything when you guys aren’t going to listen anyway?
Then explain yourself at any point.
Eli Wright
It’s not impressive. The game was designed to not be losable. What matters is how you use the battle system as efficiently as possible for fast kill time.
Ian Wilson
Who said it was deep? I’m saying the worst part is how shallow it was and yet people refused to wade in.
Jason Powell
Then fucking explain this so-called depth, genius. You can do that much, can’t you? Or are you too much of a mouthbreathing dumbass to accomplish even that?
Isaac Morales
>The game was designed to not be losable
Daniel Reyes
>for fast kill time.
We aren't talking about speedruns, autismo. The normal player can easily take out the enemies using hold-O (plus other shit like I said) just as efficiently as doing fancier shit that you imply exist.
Adrian Wilson
He ain't that good, he's mainly an amalgamam of better villains.
Jacob Ross
>good villain
He's just pissy the gods weren't sucking his dick after he decided to fuck around with people corrupted by the Starscrouge. It's compelling to a point, but after Episode Ardyn he just comes across as a whiny bitch that was too impatient for the Gods to do something so he literally fucked his life over and basically became the physical embodiment of the Starscourge and the villain to HAD to die to The King of Kings. Also they added stupid shit like he just wants to fuck the world up since he got fucked over by his own hubris and continually blames everyone else for him not being pure for the Crystal anymore.
Nolan Butler
This is true though.
The fact that nobody’s even brought attack phases is proof enough that nobody bothered to learn the system.
Right, because doing 100 damage every second is faster than doing 4000 every three seconds.
Cameron Hernandez
Joshua Harris
If your game has an HP bar and a fucking game over screen, then, by design, it is supposed to be losable. The fact that you’re even trying to say this about this game is just flat out proof that you’re fucking delusional.
Caleb Miller
If you even lose in this game, I don’t know what to say to you. Like, maybe try a new hobby? Trying building blocks for three year olds?
Aiden Peterson
It's the culmination of squeenix's obsession with reinventing the wheel called final fantasy over and over, giving them excessively bloated budgets that get wasted, and over ambitious ideas that get only half finished because it doesn't have a development time of essentially forever.
Just imagining how much money they've funneled from ffxiv to keep this shit in a constant state of development hell for ten fucking years is dizzying.
Apparently this is the case for someone in squeenix too with finally canning all the half finished shit and finally ending it.
People just wanted a good jrpg with final fantasy themes and some chocobos thrown in, especially after Hallway Simulator xiii.
Not.... this.
John Harris
>nobody bothered to learn the system.
When the game has a very easy to learn dodge mechanic and gives you QTE's to block and parry something, it's not hard to see that it's not very deep
Jordan Peterson
Just play pocket edition. Take you about 20 hours to clear through, but its honestly a better way to play the game without all the filler side quests and empty open world they put in.
Carson Johnson
>im-fucking-plying
Never once saw a game over in this game. I only know one exists because a particular XV fanboy showed in one thread that it is actually possible if you personally gimp yourself.
So, which is it, jackass? Either the game is too easy or it’s so deep that people criticizing it are just shit at it. You can’t have both.
Lincoln Fisher
>Congrats, you mastered the basics
You dense motherfucker. You literally cannot tell me there's more to the game cause there isn't. I have the 100% across all DLC+Main Game, so I know.
Besides, if the "basics" is all it takes to beat the game, then it's a piss poor game. Get outta here with your shit bait.
David Lewis
Yes, and I did already say that the game’s biggest flaw is that it doesn’t force you to learn the system.
Bruh, user, yo, guy. Listen to me. I said the reason people seem to hate on the battle system, and I’m completely fine with why they do, is because it is so easy that they refuse to use anything but the crutches set there for people who sucks at the game. Maybe if they’d got better, they would start to see how fun it is. But they don’t, and I don’t blame them for not being better.
Levi Brown
I never refuted that. All I said was you probably hated the battle system because you never bothered to learn anything more than the basics. I already said the game was a 0/10.
Nathaniel Taylor
There's nothing past the basics. The game is entirely basics.
Dominic Martin
Yes, and that’s what you believe. I don’t mind. I’m not even trying to defend the game.
John Watson
What I mean by is that I even played with the magic system and experimented with all of it. You can make a shit load of magic for cheap by tossing mythril shafts into the mix. You can toss accessories on your characters to nullify the damage.
I LEARNED THE GAME ALL INSIDE OUT.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO THIS BASIC GAME.
Austin Howard
Not talking about magic. But okay. Good for you. You could just nullify the AoE effect by making it target a single target while retaining its damage so as to jot waste a ring slit, but okay. Good on you.
Cooper Bennett
How is it possible for ANYONE to suck at this game? First you imply that the people that criticize the game don’t take the time to learn it (even when there’s multiple people in this very thread that did take the time to learn what little depth this game has and still came out of it disappointed), and now you’re implying that it’s so easy that people who stick to the basics are just whining about how shallow it is...because it’s incredibly shallow either way? And that it’s fun playing the game anyway (protip: it’s not)? How fucking high are you?
Aaron Bailey
>I’m not even trying to defend the game.
That’s what you’ve been doing this entire thread, you passive aggressive failed abortion.
Brody Nguyen
Ironically based.
Gavin Brooks
>because it is so easy that they refuse to use anything but the crutches set there
I did learn it. It's still shit
>they would start to see how fun it is
You kept saying the game is shit and you're not even trying to defend it but now admit the game's combat is fun.
Can you please stick to one narrative please?
Aaron Stewart
I said I gave it a 0/10.
I said people sucks because all they use is the basic crutches.
Wyatt Wilson
You keep using that score and yet your actions suggest otherwise. Fucking pick an argument already.
Jace Collins
Okay, yeah, this guy is just baiting us.
William Sanchez
Great. I said I wasn’t trying to change anyone’s mind, user. I don’t care if you think the game is shit because you never leaned it properly.
Jace Sanders
>literally said he learned it
>y-you just didn’t learn it
Okay, you’re just retarded.
Juan James
>you never leaned it properly
I did. Going nuh-uh to every response isn't an argument.
Sebastian Wood
I would believe if someone had posted something to convince me otherwise, am it when the biggest detractor is “the combat is hold O to win,” I can clearly say they never bothered to learn beyond that.
Blake Collins
Just because I think the game is a 0/10 doesn’t mean people don’t suck at it.
Daniel Fisher
>people keep bringing up how easy the game is
>they also keep bringing up how incredibly shallow it is
>y-you guys just suck at game
I honest to God hate you.
Cameron Foster
>I would believe if someone had posted something to convince me otherwise
I've gone down the list of reasons why xv's combat is a joke and your only response is I didn't learn it.
The game discourages you from using magic and summons are horribly implemented, so you are left with attacking the majority of the time.
It is shallow shit filled with qte's and auto attack and an auto dodge.
Liam Anderson
Do you not understand what I am saying, user. The game is so easy that most people don’t bother learning beyond the basics, so then they complain and say the game isn’t fun when they are the ones who refuses to make the game fun by learning beyond the basics.
Luis Price
Thats cause the game never encourages the player to switch up combat styles. Magic is a fucking joke and causes friendly fire. So at the end of the day you just equip the strongest weapon and mash the attack button.
Or at least switch to your different party members which have way more interesting battle mechanics.
Christopher Robinson
I know you are attacking the majority of the time, but not using auto combat like these people are claiming. But, again, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. If you managed to convince yourself that you learned the combat system, then good on you.
Jason Williams
Fucking this. I’ve even tried to switch up my weapons from time to time and it’s still fucking shallow. I’ve taken the time to go out of my way to fight enemies and it’s still shallow as fuck. Justice Monsters 5 unironically has more deeper and fun gameplay than XV.
Justin Lewis
>managed to convince yourself
I'm the one who's actually describing it and giving reasons why it's bad. Doing basic shit or learning other shit beyond that doesn't make a difference. The combat is still shit at the end of the day no matter what.
But what are you doing user?
Dismissing everything everyone says to you and saying no one learned anything while never explaining how it can be fun like you keep claiming it could be
Jose Mitchell
It's not bad for $25 Royal Edition, but I'd be fucking pissed if I payed full price. At least the Behemoths are cute.
Jonathan Williams
Bruh, get this through your head. I’m not going to change your mind, and I don’t want to. If you think that game sucks because you didn’t learn it, that’s fine. You do whatever you do and feel however you feel.
Daniel Jones
The question is, is it as bad as FFXIII? I tried my hardest to play XIII but once you get to that big airship where everyone gets reunited, I just gave up. I couldn't handle it anymore.
Brandon Reed
13 is actually a very complex game and I will gladly defend it. It’s also one of those kind of complex games that they don’t force you to get better at so how much fun you get out of it depends on how much you put in.
Ethan Walker
Pretty much this. Personally I enjoyed the characters and story, I did not enjoy the combat or progression. They've essentially stripped most of the RPG elements out.
Isaac Fisher
>the game is fun, you just didn’t learn it!
This guy sounds like a broken record at this point.
Noah Hughes
>because you didn’t learn it,
I did. It's still shit. Immediately dismissing everyone like you've been doing for the past 2 hours isn't fooling anyone
Come up with actual reasons why it's potentially deep and fun like you claim and explain how I'm wrong about anything, or stop posting. Because I'm willing to bet you're just going to keep this stupid act up until the thread dies
William Murphy
I thought XV was a far superior game to XIII.
Jacob Hughes
Fuck off weeb
Lucas Rivera
they both suck ass but xv is much more disappointing.
Carson Harris
I’m just replying to be polite, user. I really don’t care anymore. It’s clear to me that you guys will not change your mind, and I’m okay with that. Let’s agree to disagree. We both already agreed that the game sucks. Let’s just both say the combat is rated so poorly because you didn’t bother to learn it. I’m okay with that, you’re okay with that, and we can let this thread die.
Jace White
Not him but you can go fuck yourself.
Asher Martin
>Because I'm willing to bet you're just going to keep this stupid act up until the thread dies
>because you didn’t bother to learn it
Not surprised that you immediately did what I said you would. Your existence is like xv:shallow
Nathaniel Allen
There’s no need for that kind of language, sir.
Alexander Barnes
QUE TE JODAN
Bentley Cruz
So you think you learned what I’m going to do next? Too bad you didn’t use that time to learn the battle system in the game.
Andrew Bell
You didn't play 12? actually the best ff game ever made
Mason Collins
Thanks for bumping, I guess.
Levi Rodriguez
Unironically a better FF game than anything we've gotten since X despite being gacha shit.
Gavin Howard
>Because I'm willing to bet you're just going to keep this stupid act up until the thread dies
>didn’t use that time to learn the battle
Even when you try to be clever, you still prove me right. Not surprised
Adam Rivera
My problem was I kept messing around with paradigms and trying to have fun with experimenting but the game did not appreciate this and battles kept becoming more and more of an ordeal. Plus those fuck huge monsters on the field with too much health that sometimes came in with smaller mobs so you couldn't even avoid them fully.
Dylan Baker
FORNICATE THOU
Evan Perry
For mobs, have snow or fang do paper or silk tiger, and use bravega instead of brave. It should be enough to kill most weaker mobs with a few aoe.
Aaron Richardson
Please stop replying
Logan Ortiz
>5*? actually the best ff game ever made
ftfy
Jeremiah Ross
So in conclusion, the game is shit but the battle system was okay, as long as you didn’t suck and relied on autobattle the whole time.
Liam Rodriguez
>battle system was okay
No it was shit too, relying on auto battle or not
Gavin Stewart
Yeah, I’d feel that way too if I didn’t bother to learn it. Just shutt up and let the thread die.
Kevin Parker
>Because I'm willing to bet you're just going to keep this stupid act up until the thread dies
>I’d feel that way too if I didn’t bother to learn it
Can't stop proving what I said.
Asher Rivera
You’re the one keeping the thread alive. Just let this be the last post and let the thread die.
Justin Anderson
I hate to say it, but the game really is soulless. It feels like an extension of the fuckups in FF13, but only after they got the entire base game together did they realize they fucked up, and covered the shitpile in improvements, but the basic structure of the game itself is garbage. If I had to compare it to something, I'd compare it to Assassin's Creed 1 vs. the definitive edition...its inherently flawed and no amount of idiotic sidegames to increase variety can change that. Its fucked on a fundamental level.
Elijah James
He's the inverse of Lightning. She developed, but was way too unlikable at the start. He was likable, but had shit development.
Grayson Moore
XV was worse imo
Matthew Nelson
>You’re the one keeping the thread alive
The posts after yours say otherwise
Isaac Gutierrez
Agreed.
Nathaniel Green
You going to let me have the last word, bro? Or are you so obsessed that you’ll keep replying.
Evan Lee
You can grow to like 13 if you take the sequels into account, and overall you get a far superior experience. 15 is just dead on arrival, and its obvious that SE just needs to drop it and move on now, it can't be fixed and it isn't worth fixing.
Nicholas Rivera
>You going to let me have the last word
imagine caring this much that you want the last word and wanting the thread to die
Ian Allen
So obsessed then?
William Scott
True, I liked both XIII-2 and LR way more than the original.
Juan Gomez
Dominic Edwards
if that's the reason you want to hide behind after 3 hours of you being a dumbass and everyone laughing at you, go ahead
Sebastian Wood
Ask yoko
Bentley Gutierrez
Bro. Just let it die
Xavier Harris
Now post an actual boss fight instead of one where you have to do literally nothing to lose.
Christian Bell
You can still do most of what noctis is doing though.
Aiden Cooper
You know you could also stop replying to him as well. All you've done is prove how retarded you are
Chase Evans
No, let HIM stop replying to me. All thread I wanted them to stop replying to me. I already said I was okay with their opinion and I don’t mind if I change their minds or not. They’re the ones who keeps replying.
Noah Clark
Are you twelve?
David Peterson
>All thread I wanted them
Then just leave the thread lmao. Close the tab if you're that triggered.
Oliver King
I love how Yoko called Nomura a perfectionist with a solid vision while Tabata didn't have a vision for anything and constantly changed shit. It's clear she loves working for Nomura
Dylan Cruz
Fuck them. Let them learn the lesson. Hell, it’ll be the only thing they learn since they surely didn’t learn how to play beyond a basic level of FFXV.
Cameron Thompson
>didn’t learn
literally just proving what I said right once again
Adrian Reed
Let’s keep it going, bruh. I ain’t got nothing else to do. Just quit and let the thread die.
Kevin Reyes
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HOLY SHIT, YOU’RE PATHETIC
James Brown
>Let’s keep it going
>let the thread die
This fag changes his mind so damn much.
Dylan Butler
No dude, I fucking hated XV. It's just watching two retards go back and forth a hundred times with: "You stop it", "No, you stop it!" makes me want to kill both of these fucking dunces.
Luke Perry
If it's all across the internet, then I'd say it's justified. XIII was a boring corridor, and XV is a boring open-world.
Sebastian Moore
We good? Okay? So I’m conclusion the game is shit but the battle system was okay, as long as you didn’t suck and relied on autobattle the whole time. Final word. Let it die.
Blake Mitchell
>Tabata, by contrast, often gave the green light very quickly, but would then require more and more changes at a later date.
Tabata is going to crash and burn with his new studio if he doesn't change.
Thomas Thompson
>another post literally pops right after
Kek
Jackson Flores
Kek indeed
Adam Brooks
>bland setting
>bland world
>bland story
>bland characters
>bland fetch quests
>bland music
>bland gameplay
>bland ending
This game is just bland. I don't know how lacking in experience with better games you'd have to be to say it's anything more than fucking bland.
Jacob Moore
And he's still wrong too lmao
Logan Gutierrez
>battle system was okay
No, it was downright awful. Even magic being essentially grenades was a terrible system.
Owen Long
So, how would you guys change the battle system if you could? Personally, I’d just copy and paste KH’s engine.
Michael Wright
But the combat system wasn't just bad it was pointless, you spam one button and there is never any threat of losing. Combine that with the lack of enemy ai and you've got a moshpit for a fight with no direction or structure.
Samuel Jones
Make the magic and summon system at least more like kh.
Luke Myers
Doing a party based action combat system is a huge undertaking, XV did it poorly and even KH while it may be fun to hit stuff you still have two completely obsolete party members doing jack shit. You have to come up with a unique system that allows the player to switch between members at will, command the non player controlled party members with quick button presses, have fun team up attacks and techs, and overall feel like they are in control of everything about the battle.
It's not easy, action combat with a party is a huge undertaking to make fun.
Blake King
Keep it turn based. Just copy ff10 system.
Alternatively use the ATB from 12 but I'd really rather not
Nathan Lewis
That’s a good start. Magic in KH3 at least serves different functions (bullet, AoE, stun, boost platform) compared to 3 different colored grenades.
Wyatt Russell
>Is the hate justified or is it an overreaction?
>announced in 2007
>released in 2016
>still in early access
>always avaiable at full price + dlc
what do you think retard
Matthew Sanchez
Don’t mind me, just getting the last word in.
Leo Gonzalez
Not if I do it first!
Elijah Miller
Very funny, but it’s time we let this thread die.
Angel Peterson
Then maybe you should stop posting?
Isaiah Butler
I’ll make you a deal, I stop
Posting if you stop posting.
Sebastian Ross
You literally stopped playing FF games just before they died. Don't bother playing anything past 10
Caleb Brooks
So in conclusion...?
Carson Stewart
You're a dumb faggot
Wyatt Campbell
And the combat takes some learning
Christopher Myers
lol no
Brandon Anderson
Uh... yeah
Jayden Hernandez
Yeah, learning not to die of boredom.
Asher Jackson
And yet you guys can’t do it
Sebastian Rogers
What exactly is there to learn?
Parker Lewis
nothing
Chase Clark
Attack phases, for starter.
Adrian Brown
Post games with better combat systems than XV’s. I’ll start.
Thomas Taylor
do you even know what that is?
Ayden Stewart
FF1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Austin Thomas
Do YOU?
Cameron Gutierrez
I'm asking you, don't deflect.
Explain to the folks at home what that is.
Matthew Morris
>inb4 he responds that he won’t bother to explain since you didn’t learn past the basics.
Parker Ortiz
LR
Leo Davis
I’ll throw you guys a bone since it’s obvious that nobody’s going to give me the answer I want.
All attacks have three phase, the start up, the combo, and the finisher. These all varies by weapon types and they each have differing property. The trick is to manipulate these into the attacks you actually want. If you hold attack, all you’re doing is repeating the combo part and over without doing the finisher, the strongest part. You need to do a slight pause before attacking again to trigger the finisher. But these can also be manipulated. For example, you spawn some Magitek soldiers from an airship. You can use the sword as your starting weapon and then immediately switch to the spear, which has the fastest combo, before switching to the great sword for your finisher, which is an AoE and has break properties. This comes out faster than a regular sword combo and does more damage in an AoE. Next post, I will talk about adding directional movement to the mix.
Carter Gray
Directional movement can change your attack. Holding back plus the attack charges the greatsword finisher into a powerful hammer blow that can be charged up to three tier and has armor on its final tier. This is the strongest non special attck in the game, and can be started with the dagger for a quick start before weapon switching. Hitting left, right, or back during the sword combos allows you to dodge in midair during your combo. You can use this to avoid damage without stopping a combo. Because it also counts as a mid-air, you can quicksiy switch to the hammer during the dodge to do a mid-air downward attck for large damage. Also, if you do a downward mod-air attack, you can switch immediately to the sword to cancel into an air jump, upon which you can cancel back into the GS for another downward slash. Once you unlock infinite air jump, you can do this until your MP runs out, chaining mid-air downward strikes to air jumps and bck again.
Julian Smith
>it’s obvious that nobody’s going to give me the answer
You spent the past 4 hours dodging the question as to what was so deep about the battle system that people didn't learn because they stuck with the basics of hold-O. Turns out it still isn't deep or fun/spoiler]
Blake Thompson
I never said it was deep, I said nobody bothered to learn it because they relied on the crutches the game gave them.
Jaxson Taylor
I wish the game was responsive enough for all this to be viable. Went through the whole game just spamming random shit becuase the game feel was just... off.
Blake Gutierrez
I haven’t even gotten started on the royal arms. They each have their own unique property, like the katana that charades your finisher into a sheathe attck.
Easton James
>I said nobody bothered to learn it
I have. Before I got the game I found about the shit you described due to xv-kun spewing it on repeat in these threads as a defense as to why XVs combat is complex and good, "better than all past FFs!". But it's neither.
It doesn't make the combat anymore interesting than just hold-O. Learning new moves will not affect the opinion one has on this game. The combat is still ass no matter what
Jace Ward
Uh huh
>nobody brings it up the entire thread
>but as soon as I mention it, “oh yeah, I already knew that.”
Christian Baker
>game is shit
>threads are too
potteria
Dominic Gonzalez
Nice try but i’m Still getting that last word in
James Powell
> “oh yeah, I already knew that.”
boards.fireden.net
His autism outweighs yours, kiddo. There's 3 years of his spamming versus you going nuh uh for a couple hours. And that's just the first search words I could think of
Jason Cook
Then it’s even sadder that you already knew this but chose not to learn it.
Jace Thompson
Well at least you knew the final outcome would be something obvious
Camden Brown
I don’t know what you’re taking about. These guys are going “muh hold
O to win only,” and I already proved you could more than that.
Evan Gomez
>actually try out what the autist is talking about
>it’s still easy as shit to pull off
Wow, how riveting.
Owen Allen
Lol, I never said it was hard, just that nobody bothered to learn it.
John Jackson
>I already proved you could
Doing it doesn't make the combat anymore riveting or good enough to change the opinion of anyone who plays it.
Adam Rodriguez
No, your words were “people who suck at the game just hate it because they don’t try out the depth” and frankly, after trying out this “depth”, I’m still unimpressed.
Caleb Hall
Nolan Wilson
If it wasn't open world and had a more focused story it would've been alright, even with the shitty combat.
All while I was playing it I couldn't stop thinking "Why am I doing this instead of going to see what happened to Noctis' kingdom?".
Elijah Phillips
Lucas Howard
It’s already tainted since you didn’t do this from the start.
Connor Cooper
>autist is convinced that "Maybe if they’d got better, they would start to see how fun it is"
>somebody learned it
>still wasn't fun
wew
Justin Foster
>n-no it has depth, you just don’t see it
Yeah, no. Eat shit. The crappy A.I., healing spam, and crappy magic is still there.
Parker Hughes
Of course not. You already plyed the game.
Nothing is going to change your opinions now.
Jackson Nguyen
If it's the biggest disappointment, it's only because it has nearly a decade of anticipation. It's really not a bad game (at least the royal/windows edition, although some people will be talking about the release version of the game). Its dungeons (outside post-game) are a good length and generally distinct from each other. Visually, the game is consistently gorgeous. Mini-game stuff (cooking, fishing, photography, gathering) never feels like a chore and can lead to some fun scenes.
That said, combat is pretty surface-level. The most effective strategy in the game involves using a DLC weapon and just spamming warp attack over and over, so that kind of blows. The combat systems for the 3 party member characters (taken from the DLC episodes) are way better than Noctis' combat. The only way you can make his combat better is with a post-game item that was part of a fairly late patch.
Also, the plot is a mess. It starts off really strong, but then you're told to just kind of do whatever you want for for a while, which drops all the tension. Whenever you're ready to continue on, you're suddenly in a railroaded hyper-dramatic sequence for basically the rest of the game, which isn't awful, but it's a pretty jarring change in tone, and the lore elements are really poorly integrated. Also, the female lead was super poorly written. Completely rewriting her to be more memorable like Yuna or Tifa was one of their future goals before continued development got cut.
Finally, basically all of the post-game content is just boring grindfest shit. Way too low effort. for that part.
Overall, I still spent like 150 hours in it or something. Solid/10. Really apparent problems on some fronts, but still has lots of enjoyable elements.
Wyatt Howard
>You already plyed the game.
I learned about it before I played. Another user in this thread learned about after he played. We both think the combat still isn't fun.
Honestly, you should an hero for being this much a retard
Carter Davis
I disagree. The japanese va nailed the scene. Ray pretty much just talked the whole scene through when noctis is supposed to sound on the verge of tears which the jap va did well.
Samuel James
And yet not a single
Person mentioned it. Huh, about that.
Jason Barnes
user, the trick is to not use the crutch. The crutch will always be there. You have to play without using the crutch.
William Reed
1-5 no and 8 is shit.
Rest maybe
Connor Nelson
I’ve been playing without the crutch. The game is still shit. And quite frankly, you can fuck off. Play some actual good action games, for fuck’s sake.
Isaac Bell
>And yet
You yourself took hours to even go in depth as to why xv even had a potentially fun combat system, after telling everyone that they just didn't learn the combat right and were relying on crutches. Why is it that you can only deflect?
Lucas Gray
Literally and I do mean LITERALLY copy and paste Kingdom Hearts combat. This will be one occasion where I will be perfectly fine with a game being copy and pasted. The game will be 50% better if this were to happen
Logan Mitchell
Unfinished game with $200 of DLC that turns it into more of an unfinished clusterfuck.
Pirate if you can, buy it used if you have to.
Leo Jones
I bet you think the JP version of Weight of the World is better too.
Aaron Garcia
Again, and yet, despite everybody claiming to have played without using crutches from the get go, for the past four hours all anyone said was spam O to win. Wow.
Hunter Wright
Guys stop being weebs. Ray Chase is fucking amazing. He nailed Noctis
Xavier Jones
I was waiting for someone to say something. Anything, really. Jump cancel. Input buffer. Hell, even attack delay would’ve worked . But nobody said anything beyond holding O.
David Reed
Because that’s literally all you need just to get through the game. And guess what? Even when you learn what little depth this game has, it’s STILL shit. What part of that do you not get through your thick, fucking skull, you asinine piece of shit?
Grayson Morales
Again, read my fucking posts. I never said it was needed or hard. I said nobody bothered to learn it.
Thomas Cook
That's just X-2 though
Parker Bennett
And it’s still not a fun game. Wow, fucking imagine.
Eat shit.
David Scott
these
It's a pretty good game. solid 8. It's final fantasy, i don;t know what you expect, honestly.
Connor Bell
Nobody said it was going to be.
Joseph Fisher
>But nobody said anything beyond holding O.
There have been many reasons listed why the combat is shit.
You have been desperately holding onto this idea that if only people didn't play the game with hold-O and learned more technical moves then their opinion might change. You keep claiming that no one besides you apparently learned it either, which is wrong.
Others have learned it, they still think it's shit. Your only response to any of this is to keep repeating yourself
>Nobody said it was going to be.
>"Maybe if they’d got better, they would start to see how fun it is"
Ethan Cook
you literally did it to yourself.
come on man, you know that's not how it works
Wyatt Brooks
>Maybe if they’d got better, they would start to see how fun it is.
Word for word what you said, you stupid motherfucker.
Elijah Richardson
I've been playing MGS since before you, i'm almost certin.
MGSV is literally the best game ever made
Joshua Jackson
Get the fuck out of here Barry, you’re old news
Hudson Walker
Played all the games as well, MGS4 has better guns and gunplay and better designed levels outside of the bullshit Act 3.
Gavin Collins
I know ive heard it but don't remember which version i liked more.
I didn't say he didn't nail noctis. He just didn't nail that scene. Do you not believe noctis is supposed to have a hard time saying his what he wants to say? Ray just speaks out the lines with a slightly lower voice. Any other time he was usually spot on.
Landon King
If I was Barry, I'd call it perfect. It's not. V is way better than XV, Caius from XIII-2 is a better villain than Ardyn, & the battle system in XV is painfully simple.
Luke Green
it's trash
Easton Perez
Last word?
Xavier Morgan
This. It has some really high points amidst its many lows.
And yes it's better than RDR2
Chase Martin
You're a retard that got caught flip flopping on your own claims. That about covers it
Christopher Martin
Adrian Gutierrez
>Is the hate justified or is it an overreaction?
Both, the game is bad so people here say it's horrible
Parker Turner
It's playable and mildly enjoyable. That's the best i can say about it. The ending was quite emotional and something that happens to a party member earlier.
Wyatt Cooper
dear Barry,
killyourself
Evan Stewart
At least we'll have 18 to look forward to