Tree of Savior

I feel like 5+ is a bit of a exaggeration.
Archer has 3-4 with two of those being fairly minor variations of each other.
Wizard has at most four I feel.
Swordsman should have about five.
Cleric could have 5+ but mostly just small variations.
Scout should have about 4 as well.
I didn't really play pre-re:build other than it's pretty bad launch but even now there's quite a few clear cut obviously better combos that either leave no room for free slots or things like pied piper vs wugushi vs sapper. Mostly flavor for supporting your main skillset.

>Mostly flavor for supporting your main skillset.

Pre re:build was a lot worse about that, all builds in the game that actually worked were classes that could amp the damage of your "real" rank 8+ class.

But there is no longer the 3 circle class system anymore, so you get to use all of the skills of the class now

And that's how the majority of build still are, just with less micro managing exactly how much any class you take, right?

Nah, now builds are more if they use the same weapon type or have the same "theme" they work together. It's still about trying to get the highest damage bonus possible but instead of it being you have one dps class+X support classes you'll have 3 dps classes if you want to be a dps.

I can see your point, but it does feel like it's nearly the same thing to me in the end.
Really feels like playing with others would help my builds not feeling weird due to just.. quests and some small aoing.

Redpill me on ToS.
Are builds, jobs, skills and equipment as varied as RO?
How are the quest? I also hate themepark shit, instances and 'solo' content in MMOs

I stopped playing when they announced anti-afk meassures (made around 790m silver as a Necro farmer in the bee farm)
Is the client still shit?

>Are builds, jobs, skills and equipment as varied as RO?
yes

>How are the quest? I also hate themepark shit, instances and 'solo' content in MMOs they have a quest line that you can follow or just grind and genocide shit to power lvl like in RO if you want

No.
Post lewds, that shitty ass game fucking sucks.

oops, I meant to say
>How are the quest? I also hate themepark shit, instances and 'solo' content in MMOs

they have a quest line that you can follow or just grind and genocide shit to power lvl like in RO if you want

Sounds good enough to me, I'm itching for some old-fashioned MMO adventures so I'll check it out, thanks bro

is this punishment?

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just look for the power lvl guide to genocide things

Is there anything melee oriented that can support (via heals/buffs/debuffs?) and deal ok/decent damage?

No.

Templar/Dragoon/Cataphract I think fits that. It can't heal but it can boost parties crit rate by a lot and give a shield. There's also Paladin/Inquisitor/Oracle.

Shit I'm out of it not Dragoon I meant Lancer.

Do tell more

don't listen to he's being full retard, just look up builds

uncensored link?

It's a mounted class with 2h spear that boosts its own+party crit rate and can give the party a shield there's nothing else to say about it. It's more of a pvp thing but it works in pve too.

no thanks, I don't want to get ban

>Main forums for Tree of Savior are dead
>Steam chart numbers are still going down
>Amount of people online are inflated thanks to the amount of bots running wild in the game
>Tree of savior general has only 23 people posting
>Tree of savior subreddit has less than 100 people online everyday
>Game is only popular in fucking Brazil
The game isn't dead guys!

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She's already powerless, user...

You forgot that the last three generals didn't even hit max out, someone forgot to keep bumping it overnight.

>"We don't like how limited the builds are"
>Proceeds to limit them more than ever

what did IMC mean by this

They hated that the old system had too many fake/trap options, the new system is better.

>I don't play the game that's why it's dead game

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>Ignoring facts
lmao fucking amazing

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It is dead, though. I can't comment on the quality of the game like that other guy, but it's dying. What was wrong with the game, anyway?

>Yeah I play ToS
That's a new one!

You didn't post evidence that he's wrong, though.

I'm honestly not sure what you are even trying to imply here. There's so little discussion in the general it can't even keep itself alive without people watching for it to hit page 10 and bump it with fan art/loading screens. Not even /egg/ is that bad.
I do play it as well, that's the only reason why I'm even paying attention to it's general. Just nobody to actually play it with so I'm mostly doing the quests and leveling while fucking around grinding mobs here and there.

Too many exploits and autists fucked the economy and made the game borderline unplayable for anyone not in the BR cliques. On top of that the game at launch ran extremely poorly.

IMC doesnt actually play their game.

Just as many trap builds when you make specific builds work and everything else not, especially with epic prank shit like RodeFencer. Not like it matter since 99.99% will drop the game at around 380 on their first character because of boruta, ichor and daily treadmill, and anyone who doesnt will have a T10 that disregard any handicap their build has.

>he never seen other generals in vg
>all most all of them are just boardline picture dumps to keep them going

>baiting to get us to post shit charts on the other games so he can ride the "why are you shitting on other dead game" argument train again

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So if anyone points out this ToS is dead, it has to be bait?

Pure irony.

> X doesnt actually play their game.
and yet you let all of your hype up jew scams get a pass on that
*slow claps*

>>all most all of them are just boardline picture dumps to keep them going
This many be true but those one tend to not 404 overnight. If a general 404's before reaching bump limit, that's not a good sign for the thread.

but it's not dead, only you are saying it is dead

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A trap build is something that looks like it works on paper but doesn't in practice, not anything that's bad. Good example is garbage like Pyromancer which advertised itself as a dps class pre-rebuild but did no damage due to being rank 2. Fencer Rodelero is shit the game lets you do because Fencer/Rodelero/Matador can "tank" even if it's not meta.

But I know you're the same faggot in the tosg threads that thinks suboptimal=unusable trash so whatever, there's a lot less unusable trash in rebuild.

tosg is never a good point of reference, you post something about doing shit in game, you get berated, question, smugfrog >green, complain, doomy, talk about something, berated. then when you get tired its just imagedump until 404. its not a tos thread rather just a circlejerk that attaches tos to bait retards into going there.

>replying to Healniggers """bait"" and """trolling"""
well, if you guys really are that bored

>under his logic, games like World of Tanks should be dead because their vg threads dead so long ago that there are no longer a thread anymore
>and yet they made enough money to buy a off shore bank

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honestly i just wish i could talk about tos without the autists but with such a small community you kind of have them beeline to whatever thread tos is mentioned

>but it's not dead
But it is, and someone even posted evidence that it is dead. All you're saying is "it's not dead". If you're so certain it isn't dead, prove it to everyone ITT. This game is so fucking devoid of life that the only way to get people to have these threads go more than 10 posts is to argue about it like this thread. No one actually wants to talk about this game, and you can't even bait waifu retards into it with your dumb goddess images like you retards try to.

I only go to a general if I'm actually playing the game, so the only games I've seen that on are ones that don't have enough going on in them anymore to keep healthy discussion going on, or multi-game generals like /egg/, otherwise ones with high pictures are games that have waifus, waifu simulators (mmos), or dying games.
I do too, but my questions either get ignored or a single line answer, and because of rebuild and the lower player base google is nowhere near as effective in answering issues as it could be.

The difference is that people actually play World of Tanks. I'm not even the guy specifically saying that the game is dead because x reasons, I was specifically talking about its /vg/ activity.

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You'll not get anything good out of him, hes just retardedly "trolling" and whatever

Sorry I try to answer questions in the thread sometimes but I don't know enough about Scouts and a lot of the people left in the threads are autists that don't know anything about any builds that aren't broken and will call you stupid for not playing a broken build.

You could still play with pyro before and do well, it was just suboptimal compared to meta memelock. It wasn't rare seeing someone with a retarded build doing well due to overenhanced equipment, doesn't mean their build wasnt retarded.

But you seem to have a grudge on the subject already on your reddit general, so there's no point in arguing really. Just don't sabotage your own arguments next time.

>Sorry I try to answer questions in the thread sometimes but I don't know enough about
same

Doesn't it have bonus statpoints locked behind the quests?

only like 35 points, they dont add a lot, and you can do these quests at any point later too

>WoT is steam
>he doesn't even know that WoTb is not WoT
kys

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The attempts are appreciated, but some of the stuff I've been trying just aren't too fun solo and I don't know anyone that's actually doing low level stuff, or is even willing to do the low level stuff with me.

30ish out of 600 is like a drop in the bucket

Well, most people are high or max level and leveling is pretty fast nowadays...

Cope.

>builds
no stats, every class has one spell allocation due to obvious scaling/effectiveness, damage types lock classes together and now auto stats do that too
> jobs
better than ro, no expanded classes too as a plus.
>skills
most skills and gameplay are really dull and unimaginative, but at least they are straightforward enough for it not to be that bad
>equipment
a literal joke compared with ro or any other diablolike

>steam chart can track WoT
just reinforced the fact that you know nothing and is an complete retard that is just out to win a salty vendetta

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there is actually random stat item now if you didn't know

I leveled a pot making alchem the other day, took me 2 hours to just genocide stuff to get to lvl190

stop replying to the fucking dumb ass nigger saying tos isn't dead (it is). xir is known as a fucking retard and the only reason why theree is threads about tos on /vg/. xir is a fucking neet spending all day keeping it alive reposting threads when it dies. the game is dead and so is the general but the dumbass faggot cant let go.

boards.fireden.net/v/search/subject/tree of savior/type/op/

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You are still not seeming to want to acknowledge the difference in sub optimal and retarded. Dragoon Fencer Cataphract is retarded. Dragoon barbarian hoplite is suboptimal. What rebuild did is reduce the number of retarded builds a player could make while reducing the power gap between suboptimal and optimal builds. It was never about increasing the raw number of options, but making them more meaningful. Hell clerics actually have to build to heal now.

And it's still higher than the non-korean version of ToS by several times. What point are you actually trying to prove here?

forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/184122-player-numbers-daily-tally-report/

It has felt fast to me, though it does seem like I could be quite a bit faster, though running around from quest npc to quest npc with some mob killing and bosses inbetween or chugging mp pots to grind mobs effectively isn't what I would consider incredibly engaging.
Using the skills is actually fun overall though.

Not fully but somewhat true.
Stop tellin ppl what to do, dumbfrogposter

yes, and that goes for good equipment nowadays? in the game where equipment levels are in tiers of 15/75 (so on) amd kedoran shit carry you to 330 better than even berthas? or are +49 holy property resistance that exciting and relevant that it dethrones cards?
legendary equipment is decent but in a game with things like ichor, awakening, enchantment, enhancement, random stats is just dull. its great welfare to keep grinding for primus on cms for, though.

>he didn't know that WoT alone has 20000+ to 13000+ players log in at all times depending on the hours

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Yep, leveling is boring or/and sucks. But some tards and imc get a hardon for muhHighLvNumber or whatever. 420 soon eks dee
Skills/Classes/Builds can be pretty fun at late/endgame, not all perfect ofc tho

My enjoyment with each has jumped up nicely once I got the second class and a few levels into it, sometimes even with the first one with cata and musk. I was thinking of maybe trying to level a healer because they seem to be in high demand in shouts, but the full support build looks like utter fucking ass to try and level and I'm not sure how little healing classes you can take while still being effective combined with how bad people are to heal in this game compared to other mmos.

what a disaster
I'm glad I stopped playing after the first closed beta

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not as big of disaster than Anthem and still got more players than that jew scam right now

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