Game shits on its main audience and blames them for the deterioration and flanderization of the franchise

i agree about hope, despair and junko but getting the SHSL concept out would really just kill a big part of the personality of the franchise

death march club seems to be doing this if youre interested though

Mugi Tsumugi Smoogie Smoogs "The Moogs" Shirogane!

Chapter 6 shouldn't change that.

Nagito's comes into play as a bullshit superpower, and Tsumugi's is used very effectively to really drive her point home.

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She literally doesn't do anything until chapter 6. Her character was so ridiculously empty that it became obvious there was something wrong with her.

sonia was exactly the same and no one thought she was empty

They didn't even try to hide it with how much she talked about how plain and boring she was

That's because she was full of my semen

"Fiction" is one of the laziest, uninspired copout twists in history, especially from something so lauded by pseuds who haven't had a literary experience that they weren't forced into in high school. Do you know why Big Shell being a recreation of the Shadow Moses incident worked? Because there were numerous hints as well as providing solid metacommentary, with Raiden being a Solid Snake fanboy whose only experience with war has been AR. Danganronpa's overarching story on the other hand, is the equivalent of a magician holding no cards throughout the entirety of the magic trick before dumping them all on the table from his sleeves in the last 10 seconds and calling it a "trick". The "Fiction" twist in V3 is essentially just Kodaka acknowledging that his games are derivative and lazy before saying it was all part of the plan. Here's a hint, you dumb shit. You can't entirely blame it on the audience when you've intentionally made the same game with the same killing motives and the same villain 2 times, going on 3 now. It's like if House Of Leaves ended with Johnny Truant going on a Ayn Rand-tier tirade about how he completely made up the Navidson Record and called the reader stupid.

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>In order to be a character at all you have to do things we can immediately see, even though she was doing literally everything behind the scenes.
It's really hard to have a mastermind participate and survive until the 6th chapter if she doesn't make herself blend in and go with the flow as much as possible so both no one (as in the characters) becomes suspicious of her or she gets too close to someone that she puts herself at risk.

It's her "character gimmick" she gave herself, and also ties in to her world view of fiction being vastly superior than reality and characters being much more entertaining than people.

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Sonia had enough character quirks and humorous qualities that it was obvious she was just pure comic relief, though. Tsumugi was literally just there doing and saying nothing of value. It was so obvious that she was the mastermind that I almost didn't even expect her to be purely because it would have been the most shallow, predictable "twist" imaginable.

People would still bitch if hope, despair and Junko were abandoned. If it's too different fans won't like it.

>Fact: Nagito's case is the peak of the franchise and nothing will ever top it
dont deny it

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I can't. Dr2 overall is my least favorite, but his case is great.

I don't know who could possibly debate it. It was a roller coaster ride that no matter how much 3-5 tried, it cannot be reproduced.

>we'll never see pic related in an animation

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you can stop posting anytime Soda Cuckuichi

Good. All the Danganronpa anime were trash

I don't recall him blaming the audience for the franchise so much as critiquing otaku/ obsessive pop culture. Plus while it's easy to say Danganronpa is flanderized, I'd argue it's been pretty goofy and extreme since day (of release, maybe not during Distrust development) 1, with characters displaying tropey and extreme natures exactly how anime or cartoon characters would to a T.

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dr1's anime was okay because its intention was to make people get invested in the story and play the games (which actually worked for me, i played all the games after all)

dr3 was really trash but there were good moments, even if just a few

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Kodaka is based

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I love Moogi so fucking hard!

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>game shits on its main audience
Another brainlet thread.

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>when you realize what Nagito did with the poison

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the thing is, hints were scattered through the story
>the entire prologue
>Monokuma and others constantly referencing the series
but they were presented in a way that you were never supposed to guess the meaning of and hidden in plain sight. I suppose, ironically, that reflects the v3 mastermind quite well. In addition, Shuichi is also characterized as a pretty big fanboy himself, even before you see the audition tapes he often talks about how much he loves detective work and admires other great detectives (not sure if coincidental that he kept that trait of respect, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt).
The seeds were there, but it shat the bed with terrible execution, the final case feeling stitched together (the ambiance during investigation and altered mechanics felt like it took priority over the logic, which is a shame because both were not handled very well). Plus, like all Danganronpas, it suffered from the big exposition dump at the end while still giving you an open ended ending to make you question if everything was true or not (which in every other DR game has been true this whole time, maybe with lies being a huge theme this time around it may have validity to it). If it didn't build this backstory for 5 chapters and LITERALLY tear it down just for the twist, I'd be more fond. At least with DR 2 it 180ed the Future Foundation subplot instead of outright throwing it out the window. And don't get me started on literal lost points like Kaede's Twin, shit makes Zero Time Dilemma's ignored points from VLR seem trivial.

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To be fair the main audience does tend to deserve being shat on.

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you'll have to jog my memory on this one

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Wtf Ishimaru was so fucking based.

wasn't the point fo rthe characters in v3 to seem flanderized? Since everything's fiction, I assumed the writers took extra effort to make them seem even more animated and wacky just to drive home a feeling of artificiality and flaw, almost like the Team DR staff just aren't as organic with their long-running franchise as well
Wait, maybe this is all a huge metaphor and parallel to Kodaka after all...

I just don't like metashit.

DR2 is the peak of the franchise in terms of writing, characters, cases and gameplay.

that's fair, but you picked bad time to be alive.

Doesn't it come up in some form in most of the 2 cases?

What the fuck is flanderization?

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When the characters suddenly start saying things like "diddly doodly" and "neighberino"

>if you didn't play the games, no one would die
We were the true villains all along.

In hindsight it was probably a bad idea to name the trope after one particular example

>The act of taking a single (often minor) action or trait of a character within a work and exaggerating it more and more over time until it completely consumes the character. Most always, the trait/action becomes completely outlandish and it becomes their defining characteristic. Sitcoms and Sitcom characters are particularly susceptible to this, as are peripheral characters in shows with long runs.
>The trope is named for one of the examples in The Simpsons, Ned Flanders, who was originally just a considerate neighbor and attentive father, with his devout nature simply being that he willingly attended and paid attention in church, all to make him a contrast to Homer, before becoming obsessively religious.
pic is more a visual representation than a written one, but you get it.

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I don't know if you're joking, but Ned Flanders really is the origin of the word.

I dislike most of the 2 cast so no.

here's your hint

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>this is a meta plot point Im trying to implement in writing a game
>dont know if its a good idea or more drivel that will piss people off
someone please give me honest critique on this idea tangent

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I was joking, yes.

>DR1
>really hate Toko every time she's on screen
>UDG
>want to fuck Toko's brains out
What the fuck happened to me?

And people say it came outta nowhere.

That sounds dumb.

>flanderization
Ironically, The Simpsons, which is where this word comes from.

its called redemption
plus after chapter 2 in dr, she's literally just a rejected stalker to Byakuya, Genocider even has more importance at that point.

She got character development.

I really don't know. She didn't change much. In fact, her stubborn characterization in UDG got on my nerves.

>Valve with their excuses of never making a third game

Three games seems a little early on to already be completely out of ideas.

to be fair, Half Life 2 was only good for paving the way for other games on its engine and assets, such as Portal, Team Fortress 2 and Left For Dead.

Sounds like a personal problem.

I just googled it. You have to be an absolute faggot to use tv tropes lingo in any conversation outside of tv tropes (and if you post there you're a turbo sperg anyway). Enjoy your shit games, i'm seriously disapointed in you.

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4 games, Ultra Despair Girls is mainline story

Yeah but it's not a "traditional" DR game

>establish that the fucking world ends halfway through the series
>this seems like something we can continue making

You developed taste

>had 3 people explain it to you
>"I just googled it"
Suddenly this bait went from shit to good, you got me.

I never got into this franchise and by the reactions of its fans it seems like I made the right choice. What happened to the franchise?

hilariously astute.

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I mean you can only write the same "le epic twist" so many times that you either have to deal with everyone seeing your twist coming from a mile ahead (the spaceship plot which turned out fake) or have to do something incredibly ridiculous just for the sake of having a twist (look no further than zero time dilemma if you want to know what that looks like). It's what every mystery series has to go through, it will only be downhill from here for danganronpa if there will ever be a new game at all.

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a really mixed ending on the latest entry

Fuck niggers?

Well maybe they shouldn't have ended the fucking world.

>This GAME
>PLAYER discretion is advised
>When V3 was supposed to be a reality show in-universe and not a video game like in Danganronpa 2
Nah, that shit barely works as a hint. It wasn't meant to foreshadow anything, it's just a generic disclaimer.

V3 didn’t shit on the real world audience though. We aren’t watching real people die, so it doesn’t even make sense. And didn’t the creator straight up come out and say that it wasn’t meant to be a shot at the players?

>People still believe V3 was Kodaka talking directly to the player despite him saying multiple times that this theory is wrong

>Junko is killed in the first game
>Kid who wants to be like Junko is stopped
>AI backup in virtual world she's gone for good
>Junko.mp4 playing is stopped
You can only bring her back so many times
Also
>World is destroyed lol
>The world you're in is fake lol, it's all a game
>Danganronpa is fake
The only way to one up that is to have Kodaka dressed up as Junko

>tfw just finished V3 for the first time last night
>fucking walked out of my house when I saw Junko at the end of Ch5 and went to the store to basically walk off my frustration when I thought they were gonna do le epic tweest once again
>Get the the Ch6 trial
My head was fucking pounding because I was up til 3:30 in the morning to beat the game but goddamn chief I just don't know how to feel at this point. I get a bit of closure but at the same time a bit of "fuck you".

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I am the same boat as you. Had my eyes on it for years but gut feeling was telling me to stay away.

>And didn’t the creator straight up come out and say that it wasn’t meant to be a shot at the players?
Do you seriously think he would come forward and say that it was and that he despises Danganronpa's fans? Even if that's what he really felt, of course he wouldn't come forward and publicly say it. That most certainly could've been just PR talk, but that's open to interpretation.

A copycat killer works fine. I thought they were setting Monaca up as Junko 2.0, but nope

Well this is your lucky day. You don't even have to play the games to know that the entire thing is a simulation caused by a teenage girl that convinces the entire world to kill itself through magic 'despair'.

>He said the game wasn't talking to the player
>HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR HE HATE DE PLAYAR HE HATE DE PLAYAR HE ONLY LYING DESPITE HAVING NO REASON TO DO SO HURRRRRRR

Another user dies from stroking out. Sad.

I always saw that line as slight wiggle room to make another Danganronpa game since in world "Danganronpa" ended

Such is the fate of low iq posters who actually believe this

Well no, but if that was his intention to shit talk the players, he certainly wouldn’t come out and say the opposite, right? He would’ve just not said anything.

Plus, it really doesn’t make sense if he was trying to do so. Why would he despise danganronpa fans? It’s not as if DR has been milked a bunch or anything, there’s like 4 games total and a few anime seasons.

That’s why the ending is bad though. If he WAS talking to the player it’d be kino

Toko has always been great imo. She's the most relatable character in the cast. UDG actually had time to work with her and make her shine

When the way you make your point is by typing in all caps like a teenage girl, you demonstrate that you are, in fact, the one with low IQ.

>brainlets are still seething about V3's ending

It's been almost 2 years for fuck's sake.

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>Monaca ended up becoming a space NEET
What a waste of a character

>If he WAS talking to the player it’d be kino
What are you smoking? An ending that tells the player to go fuck themselves would be a terrible idea. Simply breaking the fourth wall does not equal kinography
>No you!

Not true, I have an IQ of 137 and I type in all caps ALL THE TIME

I don't get what's so divisive about it
>haha jokes on you everything you knew was a lie!
>......or was it??????
It's a really open-ended conclusion, I'm guessing some people wanted more closure? idk

>came out in around 2012
>took about 4 years to get an official tr by Nisa, released with he localization of the sequal (already out in JPN)
>spinoff game comes out, relatively about the same time in states as jpn, graphics were meh but overall good writing and design, feels like it wasnt treated like a spinoff
now here's where everything goes downhill
>decide the 4th installment (official 3rd title) to be an anime instead
>does not live up to hype, retcons/writes things about the series that are dumb and pissed off fans
thats the biggest offender. Danganronpa v3, the 4th game and latest installment, the fanbase is on the fence of how the final plot and its twist was written and handled. Otherwise its arguably the best game visually, audibly, and mechanic-wise.
I would argue it is indeed a fun franchise, but because people have become so attached to it they are more critical of when it drops the ball

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That sounds like some sort of /x/ tier schizo shitposting.

dr2 was the best dr game, coupled with being made for vita made it really fun to play on the handheld

>.....or was it??????
Headcanon is not healthy for you, user.

>We aren’t watching real people die, so it doesn’t even make sense
That's not the point of the OP at all. Learn to read

>Not true, I have an IQ of 13.7 and I type in all caps ALL THE TIME
You forgot the decimal point, friendo

To be fair, all of the disappointment is easily adverted if you don't become way too fucking obsessed and involved with the story. I didn't give a shit about the twist since my favorite things about the franchise are the flashy executions, the aesthetic, the ost, and the murders themselves. I don't give a shit about the overarching plot and universe as a whole at all, so the only thing that hurts about the ending is that it strongly implies that they will not make Danganronpa anymore, specially now that Kodaka left Spike Chunsoft.
>H-he said it so it must be true! H-he's being sincere!
Reminder that he wrote a game chock-full of lies, deceptions, and meta-fiction, and yet you don't think he's capable of lying for the sake of public relations? You're very dumb, my friend.

Yeah, that's basically what the series is.

An artist choosing to end a lucrative franchise in a way that is befitting of the franchise is beautiful in a subversive Dadaist way.

>subversive Dadaist
Commie detected.

It's been a while since I played it, but from what I remember at the very ending, the cosplay chick said something like "I guess I fucked up at being a copycat", this very line is brought up by the protag who says "oh maybe everything she said about our situation being an elaborate game show was bullshit, but we shouldn't get caught up on the details, let's get out of this bubble and see what the truth is!"

Why would a man who has moved on from Danganronpa and ultimately ended the series try to protect the series? He has nothing to benefit from lying about the truth of the ending since he's not going to make a new Danganronpa game.

No, the world literally ended. You're just illiterate, and you should probably be taking remedial reading classes.

but the game show is real because there's literally a big TDR dome surrounding a peaceful city, so we know Tsumugi was to some extent telling the truth.

>I don't give a shit about the overarching plot and universe as a whole at all
kinda weird but to each their own

He could be trying to protect himself physically, DR fans aren’t the most stable people

I can consider this.

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If there's one thing japs are bad at it's good final concluding ending. See Danganronpa, Umineko, 999, Kingdom Hearts and also animes like Evangelion, Hokuto No Ken and probably One Piece.

They will just milk something to no end and then do a fucked up money shot.

The state of this ritualfag

because hes still in the industry and making games. If people think youre a piece of shit who insults his supporters theyre not gonna wanna buy your next game even if its a different seires

>Why would a man who has moved on from Danganronpa
I find that extremely hard to believe when his next game, Death March Club or whatever the fuck it's called, is practically Danganronpa 2.0. Either he realized he cannot possibly move on from Danganronpa and is already making a spiritual successor or he realized he's a damn fraud and a one-trick-pony who cannot possibly come up with anything else other than kids murdering each other.

I'm actually suprised you'd make this argument.
>he lies in his writing, so he must be capable of lying irl
Now there are drastically different implications to this, but at the same time I think it's a bit out-of-the-box kind of thinking, and that I want to commend you on.

Wtf my internet is fucked. Anyway, letd try it again

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>a group of insane Danganronpa fans get together, kidnap Kodaka and force him into a real killing game with most of the group playing the other participants and one of them playing the role of Junko
I need this. I'll accept it being in the form of a fan game, but this needs to be a thing.

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>Death March Club or whatever the fuck it's called, is practically Danganronpa 2.0
Are you sure? I don't think we even know what genre of game it'll be yet.

>If people think youre a piece of shit who insults his supporters theyre not gonna wanna buy your next game
Which is WHY he, in fact, was NOT talking to the player at the end of V3. Why would he risk that?
Oh don't worry I know he's a hack that can only make one kind of story, but at least that game is at least slightly different enough even if they idea is the same

Ishimaru was too pure for this disgusting despair inducing world.

Chapter 6 is what made tsumugi my favorite girl. It saved the game for me, since aside tenko and maybe kaede, there wasn't a single good female character in the game.

*nods sagely*

I don't know shit about danganronpa but you're using mgs2 as a good example and house of leaves to make a point so I'm just going to call this post based regardless

It seems to be more battle royale and action-y than Danganronpa, probably something like the Future Arc's killing game with the Future Foundation, where it'll have people killing each other in a killing game but without the investigations and class trials. I'm pretty sure he revealed that much. Not to mention he's also confirmed he will include not-Monokuma, which'll be a clown and not-Hope's Peak, an abandoned circus.

What are things you have yet to see in a Danganronpa-style gamethat you'd really like to? Do you think the series should have darker or gorier visuals akin to DR3 Future, or stay it's intensity?

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>probably something like the Future Arc's killing game with the Future Foundation
You mean the really dull and boring one?

>lol it was all make believe!
Try to name a worse ending to a trilogy. I dare you.

Zero Time Dilemma.

They were Toys the whole time.

Taking on two culprits in one trial.

>Don't care for danganronpa at all but actually interested in the topic and looking for more games doing that
>turns out it's just a danganronpa thread and everyone ignored the OP

Too bad. I really have a boner for artists who get alienated by their fanbases or have their own art alienated and decide to respond through their own art with violence and hostility towards said fanbase (Anno or kanye west for example)

>Less dumb minigames
>More interesting mechanics like copying statements, perjury, debate scrums, etc that actually change how you have to think about the argument

Idk beyond that, I was pretty satisfied with V3

Dead space is up there.

Sup?

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I just want them to get better at making minigames. They so clearly want to do things like that driving segment or that platformer, but they're just so wonky in control. I love minigames. I just want tighter ones.

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Are you talking about Smash or something else?
V3's third case was perfect for that, but Kodaka once again decided to go the boring route. He probably didn't know how to write that scenario, specially because it would've meant that the other students would've had to live with Korekiyo knowing that he was a killer.

Kanye West is a retarded nigger, and you liking his shit proves that you're a low IQ normalfag.

I can’t think of any other games that even do this, I assume it’d have to be an indie game or something because there’s no fucking way a AAA studio would ever seriously let someone do that

Who would the other killer have been in 3-3?

Meanwhile, in North America...

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>because it would've meant that the other students would've had to live with Korekiyo knowing that he was a killer
That would’ve been interesting though. We’ve never had a situation where the killer got away with it and is still participating. It could lead to things like:
>People wanting to stay in their rooms for safety
>People scheming to kill him
>When someone eventually does die, they all blame him and it’s your job to figure out if it’s true, etc
It would be a unique chapter at least

They already did it with Naegito though

>V3's third case was perfect for that
Although, a second murderer acting after they are going on trial is a strange scenario. How do you set up a motive for that? This second murderer isn't going to be given the reward the first one did. In fact, he's making the case harder to solve. There aren't many scenarios where this would make sense.

Is there any way for a developer to make a game with the class trial format without it coming off as a DR-ripoff?
It's something I really want to see more of, but I'm afraid that even without the Ultimates, school setting, hope and despair it would still be called a ripoff.

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ITT retards

It could simply be committing a murder before the first body was discovered

Guys I just really want to cuddle Tsumugi

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Dunno, someone that formed part of the student council other than Himiko? I guess they would've had a chance to murder Angie. Tenko would've been a good candidate if she hadn't been killed by Korekiyo, since she already had beef with Angie over her brainwashing Himiko.
How so? There weren't two culprits in that case. By all intents and purposes Nanami was the only culprit.

What about an event similar to 1-3 where the 1st killer is the 2nd victim, but the difference is the incidents are unrelated? So the difficulty for finding the 1st murderer comes from the fact you have no 1st murderer to interrogate/ catch on lies

but your in the thread now to

I cannot think of many devs who lash out at the audience. Yanderedev is the closest I got

How similar do you need it to be? Does it have to be a "class trial?" What about just a "trial?" Does it have to be murder? Does it have to be students? There are many ways to do similar things without being a DR ripoff. It's just unclear how close you want it to be, personally.

You could just get into the Ace Attorney and Zero Escape series.

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Not that guy but based on my understanding they could have made Angie's killer one of the student council, yet still have Korekiyo have committed Tenko's murder, which would have meant that he wouldn't have been punished.

Ace Attorney completely fucking fell off a cliff after the first trilogy, and Zero Escape was barely tolerable for a single game.

It's true that Nanami was technically the killer, but they all had what was effectively an equal chance of being the killer. From what I remember all of them through the fire extinguisher bombs at the same time. It was basically a firing squad, except none of them knew that they weren't firing blanks.

It sounds like a nice hook, but then the second murder IS there, so ultimately the trial still plays out the same, with the first half being indecipherable as the killer holds up the act, and the second half where the second killer gets put under the interrogation light.

Here is your (you)

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Zero Time Dilemma

I want her to sit on my face

>and Zero Escape was barely tolerable for a single game.
Nah, fuck you. 999 and Virtue's Last Reward are mostly great games.

Yeah, but at the end of it there was only one extinguisher with poison, so only one of them was the culprit. Just because they all had a chance of being the blackened it doesn't mean that there was more than one blackened. If there was more than one extinguisher with poison then yeah, but that wasn't the case.

I had to force myself to finish 999, and I got maybe 30 minutes into the sequel. I earnestly believe that Zero Escape is the single worst mainstream VN.

>Kodaka KNEW people who truly appreciate the franchise's strengths would understand and love V3
>Kodaka KNEW the ending would grow on people after letting it sit a while
>He even told a developer on the team to think about the ending for a week after it upset him.
based

>setting is a high school for kids interested in becoming prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, etc
>You are XXX XXX, a boy who has a (tragic backstory) and are determined to FIND YOUR OWN JUSTICE
>Game has prosecutor route and defense attorney route
>Has persona/danganronpa style bonding events and character development
>Gameplay is basically you walking around finding evidence and gathering testimony, but you certain pieces of evidence and statements have puzzles that you have to figure out before you can actually use it (for example, key witness said he saw murder victim heading towards the park where his body was found, but you found his bandana in the trash a few block away, therefore the witness is lying)
>All witnesses and others have a trust meter from 0-10, which increases and decreases based on the evidence puzzles you solve, this is how you determine how to get them to break in court (ie whether or not you should lie, present certain evidence, or press them hard on certain statements)

Idk something like this. there’s a lot of potential for a new kind of courtroom game with actual good gameplay mechanics

What was the ending to this one?

I don't think you have to fear. I bet Kodaka was afraid of looking like an Ace Attorney ripoff, because how many games actually focused on actually being in a trial?
There's nothing new under the sun. It's not about what mechanics and premises you adopt from other sources, it's how you try to spin it to make it your own. Video games is all about re-inventing the wheel, making it better or your own is the goal.
Let me tell you, I'm actually writing for one of these styles of games myself, and while I'm having to take careful steps to cut down on the similarities (because there are many I think are too close even for the game being a DR/ZE homage at its core) I feel like absolute separation is unavoidable. In a sense, that's fine, because while I don't want to ride on the coattails of my predecessors, I think those elements that are acceptably familiar would help attract the audience that has interest in the original works. I think ultimately the effort in making a good story and game should come first before making sure it's original enough, because in my eyes a good ripoff is better than unique tripe.

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Are you maybe just ADHD? Danganronpa games are great, but it's like jingling keys with all its frequent minigame interruptions and outlandishly cartoonish characters. Not saying I don't like it, but I can see why someone like that would hate other VN's.

Steins;Gate is my favorite VN. Judge me how you wish.

Already finished ZE it's a bit too different from what I mean though.
To me they don't have to be students, I mainly mean the format of having several different characters arguing with each other in order to determine a truth/culprit.

Even with the absence of all the themes I feel like the structure and style of the class trials would be hard to replicate without coming off as a ripoff, Nonstop debate-esque minigames and all.

Is steins gate good? I just finished the DR games and am in the mood for another VN

The weird thing is that it feels like you'd be more likely to be accused of being an Ace Attorney ripoff by going that route.
The thing I really like about Danganronpa that sets it apart from ZE and AA is that for all intents and purposes, everybody is a suspect, everybody is an investigator, everybody is a witness, everybody is a defense attorney, and everybody is a prosecutor, with roles rapidly shifting depending on how everything develops.

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are you more interested in detective mechanics or a fun story?

It's not like Danganronpa where there are interactive segments. It's literally just a novel with sounds and visuals. It's pretty much the best time travel story ever told, though.

I too respect this. It prevents the cast from having that issue where "well all these characters are new, so probably disposable" kind of thinking. Plus these characters are following around with you the whole time, you really do feel a sense of betrayal

My priorities for a VN are
-Interesting characters
-A good story that makes you want to keep playing
-If there is gameplay, don't have obnoxious mechanics

Basically, story and characters come above all else in a VN for me

That's interesting to hear user. I'm actually in a similar boat

It's the chaotic nature of the class trials that I really enjoy. Being able to take part in a lengthy discussion/argument that's not as formal as a courtroom but still has rules to keep people in check.

>I mainly mean the format of having several different characters arguing with each other in order to determine a truth/culprit.
In that case, I think the story is the most important differentiator. If you have a good story, it can be leagues different from DR and people will only make surface comparisons in that case. Unless it has all the same minigames and "Shoot the words" main segments. Then people will call it a ripoff.

Let me recommend the Touch Detective games. It's a pretty easy point-and-click, where it's big charm points are its visual design, quirky characters, and humor. Much much more light-hearted than most detective pieces. The most mechanics you have are selecting item to use on person/thing and combining items.

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Umineko, and he was right because most of his readers were literally too dumb

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Zero Escape series
it's an absolute ride and if you haven't played it yet get out of this thread before someone spoils you

I'd recommend the game Root Double to you.
It's a story about a group of people stuck in a nuclear power plant that has its reactor melting down and their struggle to survive while at the same time finding out secrets upon secrets.
It has a core group of characters that you stick with throughout the story, allowing for them to have depths to them, it has a story that opens up drastically as time goes on and you keep finding more and more new information, and the gameplay features are relatively minor and easy to work out, with the game mostly throwing you into a bad end quickly if you fuck up and telling you how to not fuck up afterwards.
I've hardly ever heard anybody talk about Root Double, and it's a shame, because I think it's fucking fantastic.

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Umineko is literally the single worst story told of all time. I get physically angry when people recommend it. It's like some sort of cult where people who have wasted hundreds of hours of their lives try to foist it on other unsuspecting people.

Really? I saw other anons in the thread say bad things about it. Is it worth playing through?

>Zero Escape was barely tolerable for a single game.
>I earnestly believe that Zero Escape is the single worst mainstream VN.

I'm the one who said those greentext things. It's pure shit. You don't have to take my word for it, but you're in for disappointment.

Goddmanit Chadoko, that's not how condoms work

>Umineko is literally the single worst story told of all time.
How so? Could you please tell me a little about what you find bad with Umineko (I'm genuinely curious)

Well consider how many possible ways for a conversation to exist in a trial, and the mechanics you can implement around them to make them believable. Recall Ace Attorney uses witness testimonies as their primary mechanic, while DR uses nonstop debates. Seems drastically different from afar, but what is a nonstop debate really? Is it any different than the flow of conversation an AA segment would have? Can you imagine how either of those scenarios would play compared to each other? Consider that once you press a witness in AA, it opens the floor for the witness to respond and everyone else to chime in afterwards. Also consider how similar this is to a nonstop debate, where other characters will mention relevant criticism, distracting comments come in the form of noise remarks, and interrupt. Really, the biggest difference other than visual style is how a character or groups is given the floor to speak, and that's on the end of the game dev more than the flow of conversation in the writing. How many logical-based segments or presentations can you think of that organically fits the courtroom and conversation that can be turned into either gameplay or a system for your story?
I can share examples of how I've been toying with this concept, because I have came to the same fork in the road about fear of copying gameplay designs, and have been producing game ideas that exemplify my opinion above.

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It's just poorly written. None of the characters are even remotely believable. A nine-year-old girl that is ostensibly literally retarded has an edge-mode where she can perfectly articulate herself? Are you fucking kidding me?

Zero Escape is a fun series. The last game has a terrible plot twist that can ruin the writing of the whole game for many, however I'd argue the entire series is still a great fun time to have, especially with the first two games.

Did you only read the first episode or what?

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winner

First two. I shouldn't have to subject myself to absolute fucking garbage to get some sort of M. Night Shaymalan 'tweest'.

too complex

There is no twist, you just have no reading comprehension

I agree with this post.

There is a twist by definition, because you just admitted that that retarded girl isn't just a retarded girl. You're biting your own tongue, you retard.

I tortured all of you so I could manipulate the future. I read the future and know that someone's going to destroy the world, so I made a virus that would destroy only 75% of said world to kickstart you guys wanting to help me save it. You all acted according to keikaku. Now come help me save the world.

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It's obvious from episode 1 Maria has autism or the like, and they go over the possible reasons for Maria's witch persona too. So no, there is no twist, they literally explain Maria's behavior in EP1

>VNigger DARES to bring up reading comprehension
Just because you spend 50 hours clicking through boring clunky translated dialogue doesn't mean you now have some cultured authority. You aren't some intelligentsia philosopher swishing wine in a glass, you're a fat neckbeard virgin who needs pretty pictures, anime boobs, and retarded memes to keep yourself from getting bored.

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You have absolutely no understanding of what autism is, and you are too stupid to critique anything.

>Umineko
>Pretty pictures
???

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See, this is the type of shit I'm talking about. My brain is operating on a level that your retarded ass can't even conceive, so your only response is to dump some guttural word snippets and reaction images like a caveman

Oh I see, sorry about your autism user

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It's okay not to like VNs, why are you so angry

>V3 didn’t shit on the real world audience though
If that's the case why is the in-game representation of the audience in 3-6 shown as real-life human faces instead of Danganronpa-style anime ones?

I'm angry because you're clearly retarded and you're trying to respond to me as if you're my intellectual equal, which is actually astoundingly offending. In the time it took you to compose this gay limp dick reply, I've already evaluated your next move, and the move after that, because you're just such a predictable invertebrate bugman. Quite simply, you're playing checkers while I'm playing chess, bud.

Maybe it’s a commentary on how the DR contestants are seen as “cartoons” by the real world and therefore they have no reason to care if they die?

or the devs just got lazy and didn’t want to draw another 30-40 faces lol

I love my gorgeous wife!

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If you're so intellectual how come you are still in this thread and replying to me? Is it for the (you)s? I have a two-digit IQ but I also like getting (you)s!

>tfw best girl was killed early on

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I love Ibuki

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remember how in Danganronpa 1 the trials felt more like they were highschoolers thrown into a murder game, then how in v3 everyone acts, for the most part, cordial and organized in the trials? Is it better it happened this way since too much unnecessary discourse and realistic struggling is not a fun thing to have in the game?

I think it's to give the in-universe DR audiance more realism and presence to assist the severity of how fucked up the Danganronpa world is.

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I think it's worse. After all, if they get the murderer wrong, everybody fucking dies. People don't panic nearly enough for my tastes with that being something that should be constantly in the back of everybody's head. The only ones that should be calm and organized are total ice queens like Kyoko or egotistical motherfuckers who think they can't possibly be wrong like Byakuya. Everybody else should be at least freaking out somewhat.

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Rerolling for a 0

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I hate her style and, on a shallow note, her figure just isn't my cup of tea. That said, she's a fan af person, a great positive personality and high energy. She would be one of the first I'd want to go to a party with

>tfw i only needed 1 more fte to complete her report card and she dies
0 and ibuki worst girl

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Cut that out

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>there are actually people who fell for Kodaka shoving Chiaki's cooch into their face for 20 hours demanding emotional attachment and waifudom
I respect even Nagito fans more than that shit. At least he's funny occasionally even if he's an obvious author's pet with a murder with an obvious outcome

Look at all those buzzwords
Typical brainlet

>potentially interesting thread turns into another DR waifu posting shitfest
DR truly is the VN franchise with the absolute worst fanbase

What the hell is that Battler sprite, that doesn't look like original or PS3

>half the thread is discussing why most VNs are shit
Illiterate faggot.

I-I liked chiaki....

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It's from the fighting game

i also have a different problem with the 2. and 3. Game; the way how clues were presented.
In the first game you could actually point to the culprit before the trial begun sometimes. (Baseball dude, Poison suicide, junkos identity)...

in the following games a lot of crucial hints were just presented at the trial by the other characters. This makes the trial more dynamic but also makes the investigation kinda meh.

V3 was unironically the best one.

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No you don't

I've noticed that in Danganronpa 1 the murders are mostly mundane and poorly planned out, while in the other games it's like everybody's trying to commit the perfect murder, even the Chapter 1 culprits.

Reddit: the post.

>Poison suicide, junkos identity
Explain how you would possibly come to these conclusions naturally before the trial even started

He didn't, he's just a low IQ redditard. You're equally stupid for even humoring him.

You think so? Because out of the 2 actual murders, only half of them was calculated, but there were also fewer actual murders to begin with

>you could actually point to the culprit before the trial begun sometimes
Well yeah, but that was just because the culprit was always incredibly obvious, except for chapter 5 and maybe chapter 2.

>2 actual murders
the first game had 4, technically 5 murders. Which ones were you referring to

But figuring out the killer and the murder method right away sucks the fun out of the investigation and trial. You're just waiting for the characters to get a clue at that point.
It spoiled 1-4 for me, as noble as Sakura's death was.

Not him but Sakura is sitting up smiling when she died. There's no way it isn't suicide. And that was even before you find the poison.

With Junko it was the fact that there were less bodies so it was clear that one had been reused. And it was made clear that it was Mukuro. So Junko was really obvious.

>that case
Unironically kokichi-tier intelligence

Poison suicide: It was mentioned early in the case that the poisoned drink was on top of the shattered glass you placed there while breaking the door.
junkos identity: kyoko gave quite detailed body measurements of the dead body in the garden, compare it to the measurements in the notebook and you will find that it only fits junko.

poison has come into play, anyone can kill anyone with it at least through misuse, plain and simple. Especially since it's riiiiiight next to the fucking protein powder, the possibility of someone who consumes protein powder is very very prominent. Ergo, the possibility of ingesting it herself is also possible, albeit the intent is less predictable. I factor the who is 50% and the how the other 50%.

I totally meant to say 4, my mistake. Still, 66% of the cases were actual murders, pretty low statistically, you think?

The ending was the worst though

How so?

ResetEra needs to be absolutely fucking cleansed. Not a single survivor.

What was wrong with the ending?

I think you're just a brainlet who couldn't figure it out. Seethe harder.

I perfectly understood the entire series. The only problem is you feminized commie ResetEra faggots muddying the waters. You are the cancer that is killing the west.

>come in with 6 truth bullets
>nothing but noise

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What?

You post like a normalfag. You don't belong here.

You seem to be upset about nothing user. It's ok to be a brainlet. Just stop attacking other when they point it out.

I'm not even the guy you were replying to, I just don't understand what the hell you're talking about.

You can't even speak English properly. Kill yourself.

Do you understand why Yea Forums and reddit hate each other? Do you understand the fundamental difference between anonymous posting, and ego-fueled posting? Of course you don't. Go die in a ditch.

The sad thing is it's hard to tell if you're baiting or being completely genuine.

Mahiru has the best chemistry with Hajime

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I'm 100% sure this is bait at this point, but why not? Once again your upset about nothing user. Just admit that you didn't understand the most basic shit in the game, and get over yourself.

I'm being completely genuine. The sad thing is that brainwashed soibois like you can't tell the difference.

is this a projection of our western culture though? To be fair, the Japanese are much more mild mannered in public, and I can understand the writing extending it just a bit

Go on

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Cope

Can't even make good bait anymore? Sad. I though you could do better than this, mr god of 4channel.

>No argument
I accept your concession

>>No argument
>I accept your concession

Who else thought that there was no way Korekiyo was chapter 3's blackened? It was so damn obvious I couldn't possibly consider it the real answer, which is probably what they were going for anyways.

ne ne...

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no

yessss holy shit I was rolling in my chair laughing, thinking there's just no way he'd be dumb enough

why is she so fucking cute

I mean I thought it was him when the clues indicated it was him

I actually thought Kodaka did a pretty good job conditioning us as players to assume the creepy snakelike guy was going to be one of the survivors.

Korekiyo stands out way too much to be a survivor, but he also looked way too much like someone that would commit murder, so I just thought he was going to be a victim when he was first revealed.

I think it's some double-triple subverted expectations, but self-inflicted. I feel like my deceive game skills are now dulled because of the sheer number of possibilities that can exist.

>I can share examples of how I've been toying with this concept, because I have came to the same fork in the road about fear of copying gameplay designs, and have been producing game ideas that exemplify my opinion above
Go for it

all I'm saying is that if V3 had been our first Danganronpa we probably would've been more suspicious of Kiyo because he has a ton of red flags, but he's not too bad in comparison to, say, Toko

I kinda like that you defend him during the non-stop debate, not because you don't think he's the blackened, but because you think there might be another one for the Angie murder.

Still would've preferred it if he wasn't.

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Yeah, I really liked him as well, but at least his execution was fire.

>Monokuma even murders his ghost
That was fucked up

...

The part where he slowly starts sinking into the pot as his body melts was creepy tbqh

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Could be potentially very good if well implemented!

Honestly, this. VNfags are fucking retarded idiots who eat shit and want other people to do the same. The literal definition of a mind virus.

Got anything new in your repertoire?

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Continue to eat shit, you low IQ waifu retard.

Figures

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What's with the new spike chunsoft game? I see it sold like 300 copies on steam

Is that good or bad for a game of this genre and American fanbase?

It's fucking nothing. Looks like spike chunsoft did zero marketing with this game.

>and want other people to do the same
You're the one who came to this thread, retard

just the society collapses. that happens in plenty of stories though, like fallout. it can always rebuild itself. dangitronpaul's collapse wasn't even as bad as fallout's, they weren't nuked back into the stone age.

God damn I hate UDG. How the FUCK am I supposed to play this game while I keep getting boners from Komaru?

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I remember some marketing... like last year when the game was released in Japan. Literally I heard it was getting censored after months of nothing and it just so happened to be out at that time. Like I heard the censorship BEFORE the fact it was released

>set it up for an even bigger twist
>the actual twist is that there is no twist, and the twist setup was a red herring
>the mastermind was fucking with you all along, and all the reality warping bullshit was smoke and mirrors they did to try to get away.

>>>game shits on its main audience and blames them for the deterioration and flanderization of the franchise
Brainlets like you shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

this only happened b/c ryukishi sold out and adjusted the story for brainlets, only to passive aggressively shit on them later

>game is written by a shitty hack who's clearly tired of the concept but would rather keep pandering to the fans even in a backhanded way than actually reinvent it to be interesting again
Plenty of games do this

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People who hate DR2's ending are universally cynical brainlets with their heads up their ass who tell themselves they play "weeb games" ironically so they can laugh off the "cringe," like Joeseph Anderson or Huggbees.
>Monomi: "You don't need to be anyone's hero. You need to respect yourself first. If you can learn to love yourself, you can support yourself for the rest of your life."
>wow what a good message
>Chiaki: "You need to have confidence in yourself, you can't rely on other people to decide your future for you. Don't let yourself be paralyzed by fear and indecision, make a choice, at least it will be your own."
>lol anime???

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I thought that that Korekiyo was an obvious a red herring like Himiko was in the previous chapter and was absolutely convinced that the murderer went under the floorboards from one of the empty rooms. Got a Game Over twice like fucking retard.

Hey Hey Hey.

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You might be right, but Hiyoko pushes every single one of my buttons so I have to go with her instead.

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>this thing literally happened
And?

It didnt though

The message of shouldering the burden of both hope and despair as you forge your own future was great, but Hinata worming his way out of making a difficult choice by choosing Force Shutdown and leaving his memories intact was very disappointing.

It did, and you're being intellectually dishonest.

There is something to this day I am still confused about the ending and idk if it's because I'm just dumb as fuck and its flying over my head or what.

If everything was established to e fiction, meaning that all of the previous Dangan Ronpas were all fake, just works of fiction,,

Why does Shuichi become surprised at Tsumigi's copy cat comment at the very end?

I really don't like how the SDR2 cast got off extremely easy. They weren't supposed to retain their memories by going through with the shutdown sequence but they still remember, their bodies aren't mutilated, don't have to shoulder the burden of destroying the world because "much brainwashed anime," and all of their dead friends are all alive.

I also don't like how Hinata gets to retain his god mode of every single talent by the end and he never had to work hard to get any of it, yet other characters that actually embody working hard like Ishimaru end up dying without anyone caring at all.

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Shut the fuck up titless no one cares!

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filled one of many fire canisters with a toxin that can vaporize, started a fire, and sat in the middle of it

effectively, he made someone accidentally kill him trying to put the fire out, creating a man-slaughter situation

Wow, a talking pig!

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HEEEEEEEEE

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That's entirely 3's fault though, not 2's.

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2 still ends with Hinata remembering at the end. Everything else about Hinata is still there. 3 just reinforced my problems exponentially.

This pretty much.

>2 still ends with Hinata remembering at the end
Not necessarily, it's just Izuru "deciding to live on as Hajime Hinata", maybe Makoto just showed him a recording of the choice VR Hajime made and it cured him of his boredom. At least, that's what I thought happened.

Because you're a fucking moron. Because everyone who reads this VN is an absolute fucking moron who doesn't know what direction is up.

They probably threw that in there so that you'd question whether or not Hope's Peak was actually fictional in their world.

Kinda new to the series
Will they make a new game or nah?
I heard Kodaka is no longer in the same company or some shit like that

Reminder to commission porn of your favorite DR girl.

No.

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Wasn't there a war game that did this? I can't remember.

>Will they make a new game or nah?
It's very safe to assume they will not for quite some time, maybe even forever.

Spec Ops: The Line

We might get a fighting game. Even Kodaka admitted that he wants one.

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I guess you'll just have to make do with Ibuki vore user.

So if DR at one point became a TV show starring brainwashed real people, does that mean that they're allowing a show where REAL people kill each other for REAL to air?

Well yeah that's the point.
Society has become so peaceful that people needed some violence in their lives.

You misunderstood the series, and you should be shot for being so fucking stupid.

it'd basically make no sense considering only a fraction of the students are fighters

The end result doesn't change that his choice risked him ceasing to exist. But I can see how it would be unsatisfying, it would have been better if they made it clearer that Chiaki was fucking with the game in their favor. And the epilogue probably would have been better if it was just Hajime/Izuru waking up with hints that he's not how he was, instead of the DR1 cast just telling us everything worked out and a back shot of Hajime completely back to normal.

DR3 sucked shit, yes
The "avatar death = deletion" thing seemed contrived in the first place, even if their mind-program had terminated the data wouldn't just magically disappear (and the data leaks/"ghosts" at the end of Chapter 5 suggest exactly that) so it should just be a matter of Izuru or Alter Ego restoring that data safely, like you'd restore a crashed PC from a backup.
But even if everyone woke up and remembered they should still have plenty of problems, Nagito and Mikan more or less died as their Ultimate Despair selves, everyone should be physically fucked up in some way and mentally fucked up in others especially after learning the specifics of whatever they did as Ultimate Despair. DR2 didn't really give the impression that Ultimate Despair was ever a cooperative group in the first place beyond following Junko's direct orders (if even that in Nagito's case).
I thought Hajime-Izuru's portrayal in DR3 was alright (despite the fucking eyes) since you could clearly tell his personality had shifted, but it's fucking stupid that he was the only one out of the whole group who showed any sign that the last like 3 years of trauma had impacted him at all, literally negative character growth for the DR2 cast. Unbelievable amounts of wasted potential.

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Have sex.

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>You misunderstood the series
>When he literally mentioned something that was explicitly stated in the game
What's wrong with you?

There is literally no possible way to make DR into a fighting game. How could you possibly do that? Explain, based retard.

have sex change

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let me tell you about a game called melty blood

Or they could have the tiniest bit of creativity
Ultra Despair Girls just made Genocide Jack a toon

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>toon
Kill yourself, tranny.

The same way they made Persona into one.

People in persona actually fight shit with swords, guns and punch ghosts. Thats easy to translate into a fighting game.

>you literally have stands aka fighting ghosts at your disposal
>high school kids that are good at studying, I guess?
You're too stupid to live.

Ultimate talents are practically superpowers at this point, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with movesets for each student even if most of them don't technically fight in canon

...

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the Persona characters have... Personas
there's basically no reason Naegi should be able to hang with Sakura, Mukuro, etc. in a fight

Playing the prologue again makes you question Tsumugi's bullshit right away
They state that they were kidnapped right away, plus theh already have their names

But I have no money.

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Ultimate talents are not psychic ghosts, you stupid faggot. You should feel bad for being so fucking stupid.

Who gave you permission to reply to me?
In the first place, you need to be 18 to post here.

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Get a job. Your wife deserves it, doesn't she?

VNfags aren't even human. They think like women.

>in the first place
lol

>Ultimate talents are practically superpowers at this point
only a small percentage of them. Most of them are impressive but wouldn't carry over to a fighting game (SHSL Photographer, Idol, etc.) to not that impressive at all ("""SHSL""" Yakuza)

no.

Main rule of Danganronpa: Don't get attached to any of the Dangas. If you have, you already lost.

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but if you don't get invested in them then you won't care when they die, and where's the fun in that

I have a job, but too many expenses to have porn money.

You guys don't seem to be the most creative bunch out there. You can very feasibly make Naegi, Hinata, and Shuichi fight with mechanics from the game themselves. Make them use stylized swords to represent Rebuttal Showdown, guns with bullets to represent Non-stop Debates, silencers, something for the Logic Dive/Brain Drive, etc. Monokuma could have a moveset fully based on the shit he does during executions, Mondo could use dumbbells, weights, and bike tricks to fight, Gonta would use his super human strength and bugs would also assist him, Miu would use her inventions, Kiibo's moveset writes itself, so on.

>My favorite character in each game survived to the end
Even DR2, technically

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Here's your DR fighter roster:
>Sakura
>Mondo
>Mukuro
>Peko
>Akane
>Nekomaru
>Gundham
>Maki
>Tenko

You can literally make anything into a fighting game if you try hard enough. That doesn't mean that it lends itself to that.

They need to get rid of Junko and the Ultimate stuff, but they don't really need to get rid of the hope/despar stuff, they just need it to be a little more subtle and better woven into the themes of the story rather than "FUCK YES I LOVE DESPAIR SO MUCH".

ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
I REQUIRE YOUR YOUR ATTENTION FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE:
I want to fuck Miu.
okay that is all goodbye

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Commission it.

It absolutely lends itself to that, though. Plenty of people, including the creator, bring it up all the time.

>game features a twist that separates brainlets from true fans

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You can also throw in the Warriors with their mechs and a bunch of the FF embers.

Based

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It doesn't. They're fucking prodigies at school-related things. You can't make that into a fighting game. Persona works because they have literal stands. You are an absolute fucking moron.

>it would have been better if they made it clearer that Chiaki was fucking with the game in their favor
I would've been fine with that as long as they established beforehand that she had that kind of power. It's been a long time since I've played the game but I remember her being nothing but a powerless observer meant to help the class with their rehabilitation.
Otherwise it's too anti-climactic for Junko and the DR1 trio to spend half the trial hammering home the fact that Forced Shutdown would erase all their progress and set up this impossible dilemma to overcome, just for Hinata to handwave that consequence away with "no because Nanami and I said so".

What I never understood was that she said she created the ultimate's and that their "powers" were all fake. If so does that mean she herself is fake? That the story she is giving you is bullshit just like she claims the games story is bullshit?

There was that one game that made the fucking Hornet from Daytona USA into a fighter
A fucking CAR
You can make a fighter out of anything with enough creativity

The real problem with DR3 is it fucking lies to you a lot and killed the heavilly promoted waifu. Not just early, but on a complete lie. The rules of the game are if you fail to catch the killer the game ends. They failed, the game lied. From that point forward it is not possible to know who is the killer even if they admit it. Because the killer doesn't even know. Detection fiction has a hard rule. IT MUST BE SOLVABLE FOR THE READER PRIOR TO BEING LED TO THE CONCLUSION. IT MUST HAVE SET RULES TO OPERATE IN. those two things must be met. DR3 is an emotional story that lacks a lot of logic and follows no rules but paints itself as detective fiction while literally insulting the reader for liking what they're reading.

Just because your pea-sized brain cannot envision it doesn't mean that it wouldn't work. Bet you're the same dude that thought characters like Wii Fit Trainer and R.O.B. didn't lend themselves to be playable in Smash.

You could do the Warriors without their mechs. Maybe except Nagisa.

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>hurr durr
Fuck off.

ROB and Wii Fit Trainer work. Literal high schoolers do not.

Can the Jojofags go back to shitting up their own board?

>intelligent
>creative
>funny
>confident
>bakes sweets made entirely with love
>hottest girl in the franchise
>always wants to fuck you
Perfect gf material

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I thought he was Tenko's killer, but not Angie's.

Could have been interesting to see the others deal with Angie's murderer going unpunished.
Kodaka is a hack.

The most important thing about a fighting game cast is for them to have distinct and unique playstyles and the DR cast lends themselves extremely well to that exactly BECAUSE of their Ultimate skills giving them distinct identities to build movesets around. And games like Injustice have already bullshitted plenty of different reasons why all their characters can fight on par with each other, if you're going to complain about 'well wouldn't Sakura just beast everyone' or something like that.

I don't care about Future Arc at all. When I say DR3 sucks I'm mostly talking about Despair Arc. Future Arc was doomed from the start because Danganronpa cannot work in anime format, at least not in as few episodes as they got. I didn't care about any of the new characters, so I didn't care when they died. If I don't care when the characters die, there's no point in watching.

Explain how the ultimate cook can fight. Explain how the ultimate photographer can fight. It doesn't make sense. You're arguing for the complete opposite of reality, and you belong in a fucking asylum.

meh

>It's the audience's fault that Ultra Despair Girls and the Danganronpa anime series were terrible

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I got rejected for one of these characters. I no longer am a fan.

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2bh Teruteru and Mahiru probably aren't popular enough to make the final roster anyway

Mahiru is still the best girl though

>Explain how the ultimate cook can fight
He killed someone in canon, dude

I'm speaking on V3

It's incredibly easy to put a cook-related moveset for a fighting game character. Make him smack people with frying pans, flambé his opponents, defend himself with pot lids, throw knives, throw boiling water at them, etc. Also, I think it's fairly obvious that they wouldn't include literally every single character from the franchise, shit isn't plausible at all. So they would just end up adding the most important ones, leaving behind shit like Mahiru and other characters who absolutely have zero moveset potential.

2 > V3 > 1 > UDG > 3

Ok, so let's include the two most important characters in the series. Their ability is 'luck'. Explain to me how that works in a fighting game?

Kodaka has said in interviews he likes going against the grain of standard "detective fiction" in DR, hence the twins twist in DR1. I have no problem whatsoever with Tsumugi extending the game after V3-1.

Bitch, how convenient that you ignore everything else I've written so far. Take a look at this again, and this time don't blind yourself to what's inconvenient for you. I explained how it would be plausible to make a moveset for the main character by using the overlying game mechanics of the franchise

Danganronpa V3.5 & 4 next year for the 10 year anniversary or we riot.

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Chiaki's not supposed to be able to do anything, but she's doing it anyway. From the moment she revealed herself as the traitor she had started acting aberrantly, which is why Monomi describes her being able to do that at all as a "miracle."
The "ghosts" that show up at the end of Chapter 5 and in the "repeat" Trial in Chapter 6 are (presumably) illusions created by the virus, but the real Chiaki is able to break through to Hajime, she becomes a literal deus ex machina by breaking the constraints of her programming.
The problem is that this is all just inferred as the most likely explanation for what happened. If they had made it clearer or even just given a throwaway line to Alter Ego stating Chiaki had gone rogue or he himself had interfered to let her do that, it wouldn't be as unexpected.

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>give them guns and swords for some reason
Nigger, you have super autism. Like, I get that Yea Forums is just autism incarnate, but somehow you are going beyond that.

>THIS ANIME FIGHTING GAME FOR A SERIES WHERE A ROBOT BEAR WIPES HIGH SCHOOL KIDS' MEMORIES AND MAKES THEM KILL EACH OTHER FOR GIGGLES WOULD BE COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC
Go be retarded somewhere else

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That reason is to represent the main mechanics of Danganronpa. Since they're the main characters, it stands to reason they would be the ones to represent them. Do you even play the games? Because by the looks of it you don't know jack about them, yet feel like your opinion is worth something. On the subject of luck, implement a mechanic for them where some of their hits will result in critical hits. Bam, their fucking talent was represented.

>the story is ridiculous
>somehow this makes the game suitable for fighting
Pathetic.

Is Mikan a slut?

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Do you even have to ask?

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>I also don't like how Hinata gets to retain his god mode of every single talent by the end and he never had to work hard to get any of it, yet other characters that actually embody working hard like Ishimaru end up dying without anyone caring at all.
Are you that same user that was sperging out over Hajime a few threads ago?

>critical hits
>fighting game
Shit dude, you got 2 INT.

What does "it was all fiction" mean, I only played the first game, not interested in the rest. The first 2 were made up stories in-universe and the 3rd one is a show based on those 2 or something, or that one's fiction too? I don't get it.

from our perspective this post is a bunch of incoherent babbling

if you want the answer to whatever these questions are, go play the games

>What does "it was all fiction" mean
everything around them including the cast's memories and talents are all fake and fabricated.
Danganronpa is a TV show with V3 being the 53th season.
But then at the end it's hinted that Tsumugi was just copying someone.

I liked when they gave you overworked abilities during v3s last investigation

Forget it, this guy has some serious brain damage. Guess it makes sense, even easy mysteries like Danganronpa's lame twists are hard for him to grasp, so he feels left out. It's okay buddy, maybe stuff like Yoshi's Crafted World is more up your speed.

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DR1 and 2 are literally video games in-universe
V3 is actually the 53rd Danganronpa, except it's a TV show starring volunteers who got their memories replaced with fabricated ones

At least that's what the mastermind in V3 says, the game makes it so it's not certain if any of that is true or not

It's a lie.

intentionally trying to make the mastermind the blackened

Sounds fucking retarded, imagine being arrogant enough to think people would eat up over 50 rehashes of your shit, I had enough after 1.

Best girl

No, that was the other guy. I was involved in that conversation if that bothers you or something.

retard

Go back to ERPing on /trash/ fuckboy.

> actually embody working hard like Ishimaru
Moral Compass isn't really a talent user and the dude died because he got obsessed with a laptop. He deserved to be forgotten.

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There's no Kaede's twins.

Which fighting games have critical hits?

Pic related proves you wrong.

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Kaede's twin was a plot point during the last case, when Tsumugi tried to frame her as the mastermind. It went nowhere, though, so I understand why you would forget it. They ignored it as soon as it was brought up.

It was Tsumugi copying the first case.

It's literally explained in his FTEs. He hates geniuses and doesn't believe in talent. His character is all about how much he has to work to redeem his family name.

>game goes full Truman show
>even ends with the creator preaching them to stay
>brainlets think it's a personal attack on the player
lmao

Danganronpa's fighting game could be the first one for all you know, and that ability would be exclusive to Naegi and maybe Komaeda to spice up their gameplay. Then again, you have no vision whatsoever.

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I'm almost positive Ishimaru isn't actually the SHSL "Moral Compass." He's like the SHSL Disciplinary Chair or something. Like how Mikan isn't really a nurse but like how she's some typen of student helper for the school nurse or some shit.

I just realized that you are doing everything in your power to bump this thread. Ganbatte, retard user.

Oh he's the "Super High School Level Public Morals Committee Member".

Ironically enough you're helping as well. Ganbatte, retard user.

Yeah he was SHSL Disciplinary Committee Member in the Japanese version. Mikan is SHSL Health Committee Memeber, Ibuki is SHSL Light Music Club Member, Hifumi is Doujin Author, etc. At lot of them were changed in the localization and some of their meaning was changed for the worse.

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that's it
also he'd have a rude awakening once he gets into an environment with true geniuses. Good work ethic is important, probably more important than talent, but that doesn't mean talent doesn't exist. Especially not in the world of Danganronpa, where some people like Nagito have actual super powers.

then again DR1's cast isn't exactly known for their brains, maybe he wouldn't really realize it until college

it's more problematic that "Ultimate" implies something entirely different than "Super High School Level", i.e., the best in the world vs. a very good high school equivalent

On the other hand "Ultimate" doesn't sound completely fucking stupid

>the best in the world
That's basically how the game portrays them as though and Super High School Level is fucking mouthfull.
I can't think of a proper replacement that doesn't sound retarded

but even that is lost in translation, because it's supposed to sound silly. The more accurate translation would be "Super Duper High School Level"
>That's basically how the game portrays them as though
only a very, very small group. There's Sakura and.... well..

Kodaka and Uchikoshi are legitimately drinking buddies.

Like, actually have been for fucking years.

twitter.com/uchikoshi_eng/status/617561871478972416?lang=en

I am convinced that they made a bet about how shitty they could make their last game (ZTD and DR3) and still get away with it and make money.

Uchikoshi won that bet, but Kodaka put up one fuck of a fight.

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nobody cares about Zero Escape, it's embarrassing that you had to bring it up in a Danganronpa thread

>Being a willing cuck

If you pay for someone to draw your waifu naked you are literally paying another person to view your waifu naked.

Just draw it yourself or get a private commission.

>Kaede will never play Frederic Rzewski's The Road in one session while using your face as her piano bench

true despair

>private commission
The person drawing the commission will see your waifu naked retard

>not using one of the many software options to make your own waifu to fuck
Just make your own porn, you absolute fucking drooling morons.

So did the original artist who made the character you turbo sperg. Its a drawing.

He meant Kaede's twin never existed, it was made up by Tsumugi to shift the blame to an imaginary character.
Also the people in the recordings wasn't them and Tsumugi was implanted the memory of being the mastermind in the prologue.

SOMEONE GETS IT

>Also the people in the recordings wasn't them
Then who were they?

hello?

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I think he means inside they aren't the same, even if the bodies are.

I don't know, maybe tsumugi after she found the lab, maybe team danganronpa recreations.

But if you remember, in not a single one of the recordings are the character names said, except "Shuichi's" that's censored. But why would it be censored? Everyone knows his name is Shuichi, and it is his pre-brainwash name as seen in the prologue.

For Tsumugi's mastermind implantion, she was in the mistake beggining with no idea of what was happening, but since that wasn't being livestreamed there was no need of her faking it, she could have just spoken the same way Rantaro did.

I can't believe I reddit spaced that.

Kodaka is just a writer, both director and producer are different people. You overestimate his input on the series, he didn't even want to add the Monokubs, he was forced to. He probably tried to abandon some of DR concepts, but was told not to by Spike Chunsoft, which lead to him leaving and making TooKyo Games.
I agree that Kodaka is a hack though, having read his other works. I hope TooKyo Games' games will be good despite his hack writing.

>I want randomness thrown inside a fighting game just because it fits the lore

>Opponent trips
It has been done already

And it sucked

I mean, it makes sense when you made a Reddit tier retard post about not understanding hypnosis or identity erasure. I'll forgive you just once, user.

>Death March Club
>his next game
Wrong. Look up which games are made by Kodaka and which aren't. Death March Club is made by Nakazawa and Uchikoshi. And Uchikoshi had to convince Kodaka that they should make a death game, and Kodaka only agreed under condition that they'll never make one ever again.

>he didn't even want to add the Monokubs, he was forced to
Well he didn't try to hide it. they were the worst thing about V3.

Whatever do you even mean? At least try to make an argument.

>>there are actually people who fell for Kodaka shoving Chiaki's cooch into their face for 20 hours demanding emotional attachment and waifudom
I bet you like Kirigiri, nigger. Chiaki barely even appears until Chapter 4.

Do you even listen to yourself

>no argument
Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about.

I can't listen to anything because i'm typing user

>Chapter 4.
Chapter 2*

But Dangit 1 is MUH HOPE, 2 is MUH FUTURE and 3 is MUH TRUTH

I knew the Kubs were literally a half asses addition. Suddenly chapter 3's usurp scene with Monodam bit makes perfect sense.
>Kubs represent design decisions from the higher ups
>Kodaka is Monokuma, who seems like a shell of his former self when the kubs start taking over, only to realize he deep down had left a while ago
have you seen Kojima on an off day? It's like David Cage movie "games"-tier of writing. If Uchikoshi and Kodaka shit the bed together, I at least anticipate it being a spectacle.

>TRUTH
Goat. If you have ever wanted to know the truth, you're a goat. You should be embarrassed.

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>Kojima on an off day
So after MGS3?

There are many reasons that people can argue that V3's ending was excellent, and it didn't do anywhere near as many things wrong as many other typical shit endings in games. Only actual brainlets think that "Everything was fiction the whole time" was the point of the ending, and even bigger brainlets think that Tsumugi was telling the absolute undeniable truth and there were no lies in her statements in a game whose entire theme had been to detect and utilize lies to warp the truth against your opponents.

ZTD was so bad that it ruined VLR and 999, and is commonly recommended against by actual diehard Zero Escape veterans who would swear by the series if they had a gun to their head. Meanwhile this thread has constant (un)civil discourse about how good/bad/great/terrible the ending was.

>An argument
About what? Don't be so reactive. If you want one, I'll straight up say that either the writers or the localizers are incompetent and put ??? in place of Shuichi's name for no reason. This is a game that still has it say NORMAL when you beat a case on hard 2 years after release. The only reason to doubt the interview tapes is "Well, everything else was a lie!" But going down that rabbit hole is pointless. You have to put down certain boundaries, or else everything remains a nebulous fucking mess. I can believe that Tsumigi was a normal girl before being made into the mastermind, but fabricating all the interview tapes only leads down that hole of "Well, she was trying to convince them that it was all fake- because that is a fake idea!" You used up your last bit of forgiveness, so go fucking kill yourself, you faggot.

These kinds of death game mystery vns, what's, do you think, the perfect cast size for the victims? Also, is there a name for this sub genre of hybrid VNs/mystery games?

They're literally just mystery games. I don't really know any other game that has you solve mysteries besides some RPG's, maybe. Also, it depends on the scope of your murdergrounds. Battle Royale has 43 students or something and it's set on a huge ole' island. Danganronpa has 16 students and it's pretty compact. There's also a complicated measure for how many characters are important and how important they are.

Why are you mad? What did I ever say to you?
>Well, she was trying to convince them that it was all fake- because that is a fake idea
I dont' understand what this is supposed to mean. But as an extra, Nobody recognised the kubs in the prologue or knew what "the killing game was" despite supposedly being huge fans. And the kubs look exactly like monokuma, inb4 you say this was their first appearance.

>The entire struggle of Battle Royale was the fact that each student was pressed against another fellow classmate who was just as terrified and confused as they were, but had no choice but to kill each other
>The unfairness and cruelty of the game was amplified by a pair of delinquents who were outsiders with zero ties to their classmates, and zero reason to show any kind of trust or mercy to one another
>The entire """Battle Royale""" genre is formed exclusively of Kiriyamas who dab after they kill people and have zero ties to anybody unless they come in groups of three, who are also Kiryamas

I fucking hate video games so fucking much.

>You have to put down certain boundaries, or else everything remains a nebulous fucking mess
Welcome to why the ending was absolute trash. "truth vs lies" was a horrible dichotomy for Kodaka to attempt, I'd unironically have rathered he stuck with hope and despair for the 50th time.

>Collaboration of the development team of Danganronpa and Spike Chunsoft. Kodaka actually started this project before his retirement of Spike Chunsoft. We imagine a kind of cyberpunk world from this art. Komatsuzaki designs the characters, Shimadoriru designs background, and Takada directs the sounds.

Reminder that this is UDG 2.

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>cyberpunk
oh hell yes

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>Nobody recognised the kubs in the prologue or knew what "the killing was"

Both Kaede and Rantaro can stand against your statement.

youtu.be/XJ5SbadEXpE

14:57
>Nah, I think this is all of us [If this is what I think it is, anyways]
19:02
>Wait! You call yourselves...the Monokubs?
19:36
>This is [exactly what I thought it was]
20:06
>Hey, answer my question! If you guys are the Monokubs, then-
21:29
>A-anyway...if you guys really are the Monokubs, then-

There's also a juicy little nugget at 21:50
>See, according to the backstory, there's this [Ultimate Hunt] goin' on
>You've all lost your memories and become different people cuz of the [Ultimate Hunt]

There's plenty of reasons to presume that Tsumugi was lying the entire time, but also more reasons to presume that the entire game was fixed by some outside force. The outfits can easily be explained as someone utilizing Tsumugi's talent to create attire so phenomenally perfect that it convinces them that their favorite task is actually some SHSL Talent, and the flashback lights which implant memories could very easily explain anyway any other amnesia or past-facing memories.

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>Those Midgar vibes

I appreciate the stylistic choice here

The kubs were in the exsals until their big, fancy introduction. Afterwards, they're immediately recognized by Rantaro, Maki, and Ryoma. The term "killing game" is never mentioned until the very end, at which point lines are omitted, which we learn later. Lines like "Holy shit I'm actually in the killing game! I'm jizzing my pants off!" Then there is a HARD cut to the second awakening.
I'm angry at you because you responded to my post calling you a redditor but saying it's okay with "lol where's ur argument bro? downvoted."

>hope and despair for the 50th time
No thanks. It was fine for the first two games but I was sick of it by the time DR3 rolled around.
However I would’ve liked a little more closure regarding the ending. Just because the theme was about truth and lies doesn’t mean you have to leave so many loose ends hanging around.

>at which point lines are omitted
Otherwise known as trash writing. If you have to literally cut a section of the script and add it in later with "ooooh you forgot all alooooong" then you can't write, it's as simple as that. Persona 5 did the exact same thing.

>loose ends
The only loose end was the theoretical void between what Tsumugi spoke in truth and what was clearly fabrication to bolster the killing game.

Alright,I missed Kaede actually recognising them, Rantaro is still normal though.

>The term "killing game" is never mentioned until the very end, at which point lines are omitted, which we learn later.
It's not omitted, it just never happened.

"Tsumigi cosplayed as all her friends- Which she proved she couldn't do- But we're assuming that's a lie- to make fake videos of them before the killing game- because we're assuming she's trying to convince them the killing game is fiction- because ???" This is your idea of better writing.

>I'm angry at you because you responded to my post calling you a redditor but saying it's okay with "lol where's ur argument bro? downvoted."
The fuck? Are you really that irritable? I just asked for a proper discussion and you feel I'm insulting you? I don't know if you have confidence issues or have been on this place so long you don't think anyone actually wants to discuss anything.

I chose to believe that they were normal kids who were kidnapped against their will and the audition tapes were just something Tsumugi whipped up really quickly in Chapter 6 while everyone else was looking for evidence. I don't particularly mind the alternative that they were crazy fanboys who wanted to participate, but I just wish the game picked one and stuck to it.
It's a petty complaint that goes against the theme of the ending but it just isn't my cup of tea.