>Yea Forums unironically loves dmc5 and hypes it >decide to finnaly buy it >Super excited to play >Holy shit this game is awesome >get to the goth faggot mission >Worst dmc experience I ever had with a dmc character >Gameplay Sucks ass >Have to literally watch creatures fight for you while you hang back thats all you do before finishing a demon off
Whoever thought resources had to be wasted on this guy should be fucking fired Who thought it was a good idea ? Compared to dante and nero he is just Not Fun to play literally feels like he belongs in another game
V is a weird character but it's also different and makes you think about the game's mechanics in a different way.
I didn't like playing as V at first, and sometimes it's hard to figure out how you're supposed to do a specific direction because it's based on the demon's perspective and not V's. But overall he's a solid character.
Ian Peterson
As a huuuuuge fan of the game I think it's the second best in the franchise by default.
V was a cool character but his gameplay was straight up trash.
Easton Thompson
Honestly, all the characters are shit in all the games aside from Dante.
Nicholas Baker
>because it's based on the demon's perspective and not V's. But it isn't?
Nolan Morgan
>literally feels like he belongs in another game Its because hes the DD2 Summoner, they were just testing that shit on dmc
Easton Smith
dmc 3 may have shitty bosses but the best ones are much better than 5. in 5 you're forced to play with v and Nero. I won't say that the story in 3 is a masterpiece, but it's not a fanfic like 5 and the level design/environment from 5 is shit >not playing dmc3 with style switcher mod wat
Aaron Barnes
DMC5 was my first DMC game and only Nero was fun to play.
V is just button mashing and Dante has less mobility than Nero and less cool shit to do.
Joshua Reyes
>V is facing North >enemy to East >Shadow to West facing East >press stick to the right and press Triangle >Shadow does the forward+triangle attack Yes Yes it is
The only directional inputs from V's perspective are when he's riding Nightmare or doing the warp finisher
Aiden Cox
I agree, it's the second best tied with 1 for me
Robert Bennett
I bet you cry when you see enigmas in the room
Samuel Lopez
5's environments are better than 3's. Don't bother replying with your nostalgia rotted tumour of a brain.
Jackson Reyes
Fucking based.
Tyler Young
You are literally, factually wrong. The inputs are all from V's perspective, for every familiar. You are either inept at judging and inputting direction, or you're DTing your familiars without realizing it and coincidentally inputting that horseshit when they decide to do those moves of their own volition.
Michael Nguyen
3 gives me claustrophobia after playing 5
Aiden Cruz
girls love him though
Connor James
Because 5 puts you in a big circular arena every time you have to fight something.
Brody Nguyen
Akagi?
Christopher Stewart
I never really had trouble getting into a DMC game before, even the "reboot" I played from start to finish. Idk why I've not finished DMCV yet. I'm disappointed but I can't put my finger on why I am disappointed. I'm on mission 18.
Liam Lopez
>girls >important opinion Lmao
Christopher Gutierrez
the only good part when v playing was the griffon saying dumb shit whenever it attacks
non existent visual variety everything looks the same
Adam Lee
>As birds to the air and fish to the sea >So is the dick for the OP Fixed, now in limerick form
Caleb Cook
>Dante has less mobility than Nero and less cool shit to do What are you even talking about Dante is and always has been the character with the MOST combat options and freedom He's the one you're supposed to go crazy with.
In DMC5 you have four weapons, four guns, four styles, and two different Devil Triggers And all of these things have their own list of skills
Nero, by comparison, only has one sword and one gun, each with only a few skills, and Devil Breaker which is only two different attacks per Breaker, which can only be switched out by disposing of them. Devil Trigger is only unlocked at the ass-end of the game and then you get Devil Bringer which is just a permanent Buster arm
Nero is intentionally designed to be more limited than Dante. He was like that in DMC4 as well.
>Royal Forks and parrying with your cane. This. This is the secret way to playing V, just spam royal fork, you don't need Nightmare. You get SSS really quickly.
Mason Garcia
Why? Shadow can already parry things on his own.
Michael James
V is too high IQ for zoomers desu, secondaries cant appreciate him
Jordan Martinez
wolf form Dante from The Legend of Sparda was my favorite part cuz in the shadow realm there are these demons that come out and they look all gooy and black.
Jonathan Young
I don't know what to tell you, man. That's exactly how it worked and I definitely spent time to make sure that's how it was working.
Like if Griffon is facing East and V is facing North and I want him to do that AOE shock, holding down on the stick just makes V walk backwards. Instead I have to wold left, which is "back" for Griffon. This happened consistently for me throughout the whole game.
Blake Sanders
You're wrong, he's right. Source: I played the game Literally go boot it up right now and see for yourself
Jackson Howard
>V is weak and frail >Can some how hold back an enraged unga bunga
I think you nailed it. Every area feels like something I've seen before. I'm not sure if it's because of the RE engine or just unispired level design.
Isaiah Cox
No user, that's not how it works.
Brayden Robinson
I guess I have to.
I don't understand how I could play like 20 hours or whatever of this game and not know how V works
Christian Williams
For style, obviously.
Jacob Myers
you'll be glad to know he has the least missions of all the characters. i quite like him but i get why he's so divisive. he's also awful to replay missions with when doing harder difficulties
Robert Sanders
god damn it now you got me thinking about a demon werewolf devil trigger form...
Asher Peterson
Itsuno ran out of budget, thats why so many repeated qlipoth parts
Aaron Clark
I don't mind V as a story presence, but I wish we could get a new DMC game that doesn't make you play as some new halfbaked character. Even now that they've given Nero so many more tools, he's still beginner-tier compared to Dante, 10 years later.
There's a few notable setpieces I can recall (the escalator fight in the V/Nero crossover mission, the sinking tower in Dante's first mission back) but they pale in comparison to anything from the previous games because they're just linear walkways with rooms of enemies.
There's never something like the tram ride or the weighted elevator in DMC3, or even a maze puzzle like DMC4. It's all flat arenas.
The best there is for a "puzzle" is the hallway blood pools, which is just walking to a point and hitting it.
Caleb Morgan
There's literally not a single repeated level besides 20 though
Hudson Reyes
It's just randomly generated qlipoth looking bullshit, instead of distinctly designed buildings and areas
Ayden Hughes
DESTROYED
Nolan Baker
But even within the Quliphoth there is variation, such as Mission 14 15 and 16. DMC3's environments weren't the greatest in terms of palette or layout either, mind you/ Pic related.
i think what bothers me the most of this game is how enemies don't pop from the BG. dmc3 enemies were almost fluoresent with how they contrasted. meanwhile look at mission 12, the first halway is the same color as the 3 kainas and the very next room it turns dark green similar to Hell antenoras. its like they made them shit on purpose
I can call to mind several temen-ni-gru environments that look nothing like that one room did, so pic isn't really related.
Angel Cox
And I can call to mind several Quliphoth locations that look distinct from each other. My point is that neither are perfect and fall into the same problems at times.
Christopher Cook
>auto-assist on V godsend
Jeremiah Lopez
>no shit Bosses Qliphot roots, Gilgamesh, Artemis, Crystal, Cavaliere Geryon, Summons >no shit enemies Fury (invincible even if you clearly hit them), Behemot, Judecca >better gameplay Forced V missions, half missions are Nero. >style switching DMC3 has more distinct styles with actual moves like Wild Stomp, Wild Ride, Wall Run, Sword Pierce, Crazy Combos, etc and you can get style switching with mod anyway.
Nathaniel Myers
>It's just randomly generated qlipoth looking bullshit, First off, no it's not "randomly generated". Secondly the vast majority of the Qlipoth levels are visually distinct with different color palettes and feels to them.
Like Nero's mission 8 is traveling up the tree using the blood streams with the areas bathed red with blood and mixed in with city ruins. Dante's mission 16 is jumping down huge pits crossed with platforms with the surrounding walls looking highly luminescent and patterned before it all freezes over near the end. Nero's last mission is basically a trial run for a bunch of his arms to test your skills, V's only one in the tree really just takes place in a void.
The main areas that are similar is the prologue levels, which seems worse than it is because you visit that part three times, even if it's changed up each time.
Eli Wright
Even DMC1 look way better than DMC3. DMC3 is literally "forgettable environments the game".
>autoassist ever Why not watch LP's at this point, since you doff gameplay responsibility this hard
Mason Cruz
I hate V missions
Luke Johnson
The shitty bosses of dmc5 are fucking miles ahead of dmc3 shitty bosses, same to the enemies Also while i agree V sucks, i like playing Nero
William Perry
>go straight into a V mission >don't have much fun >do the same V mission after playing Nero and Dante for a few hours/mission >have a blast It's an odd feeling. He feels so fun to play as a breathe of fresh air from the other two but in his own he's whatever.
Christian Richardson
>video oh nononono
Evan Jenkins
Read a book and you can at least double Nightmare's staying time. But I agree he has a wildly different gameplay mentality and I had to warm up to it.
>Nightmare's staying time Nightmare only used for reviving summons.
Lucas Myers
can i share how much i despise the bosses of mission 18? they legit nailed down how abusive is being in the reciving end of the summons. also what the fuck is wrong with Nightmare's meteor sometimes legit tracks me perfectly and sometimes it doesnt even bother folowing me
FUCK VERGIL FUCK DANTE FUCK NERO FUCK V FUCK SHADOW FUCK GRIFFON FUCK NIGHTMARE FUCK URIZEN FUCK TRISH FUCK LADY FUCK NICO BUT MOST OF ALL FUCK SP*RDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You're playing wrong if you don't have Nightmare out most of the time.
Owen Ramirez
Because demons can sense demons it seems, and Dante can tell who's who. He also senses Urizen although you could argue he already had a preconceived notion of who he was
Parker Taylor
>You're playing wrong >S ranked all V's DMD missions ok
Benjamin Nguyen
A testament to how easy V's missions are, but you were still playing wrong.
Levi Gomez
Get in line bub we all want to squeeze Nero's pecs while we fuck him good but this is real life and real life is cold and cruel. A cold cruel world in which perfect fuckable demon men like Nero do not actually exist.
he is right about the mobility though, with nero you can jump 6 times while not even using gerbera. you can bring monster to you instead of needing to trickster to the monster. nero is the ultimate mobility, far better then dante
Parker Morgan
That right Vergil looks like he wants to die.
Asher Sanders
ew oh my god...
Easton Kelly
That is fucking bad lmao looks like euro 3d saying games
Luis Sullivan
Nero got his ass handed to him by Urizen
Leo Moore
Excuse me but Vergil/Nero is the most patrician Spardacest pairing out there.
The concept was to split attack and defense into 2 seperate points on the map, you have to protect V wherever he is and you must attack with the animals. You're not hanging back and watching you're controlling multiple characters at the same time. It takes a brainlet to feel like you're not doing anything as V. You're not "watching creatures fight for you" you are those creatures and V. Wrap your head around it faggot.
Owen Roberts
Niggerhod
Asher Rogers
Yeah but he still boring to play and pets feels unresponsive sometimes
Ryan Butler
Based and V-cuckpilled
Brody Rivera
>not letting him fuck you while you hold on to his pecs instead
t.got BTFO >The cut worm forgives the plow, so what do ya say?
Cameron Brown
>tfw we're never going to get another summoner-style character in DMC because of brainlets like OP fuck i really wanted V to come back and have more minions that switch like Dante's weapons eg have cerberus and berial be a melee summon like shadow and nevan echidna as long range
Honestly, I'd put on even footing with DMC3. >But v though! V was fun in trash mobs. Only bogs against bosses. Like the other two, really.
But otherwise I'd agree with your rankings, though I'd take DmC out and probably put it near 2, which I know is insane as it's a more functional game than 2, but DmC's combat system is atrocious. >Hey let's color code enemies! >and not have lock-on! >Wait, what do you mean people modded this and fixed this bullshit >SHIT RELEASE A SECOND EDITION THAT NOBODY WANTS.
Go play DD2 then faggot, v was Just a beta for Summoner class anyway V wont comeback, what can happen is another New or old character be the summoner
Nathan Murphy
You have to learn how to actively controll birb and catto. Side dodging instantly teleports catto to you, double jumping does the same for birb. It's important to determine the maximum distance from you and the opponent before your pets teleport back to you. Always remember to charge birb and his lock on+back to forward attack is extremely valuable against many opponents. I'd say out of all skills that are useless for Yea Forums at the start is the riding nightmare ones because they eat dt like crazy, since you can't read while nightmare is summoned to make your dt go down slower. Also ALWAYS read
Daniel Fisher
no you're fucking retarded, dante can jump 3 times, airdash twice and teleport twice all in one jump while in DT, not counting jump canceling , ground trick also completes his mobility and allows him to go even faster, you literally dont need to ever touch the ground as dante and move around from literally any enemy to any enemy without needing to pull them to you
Asher Collins
What we obviously need is a Caster type character and Archers
Sebastian Kelly
A Cerberus Summon would be cool, replacing Shadow. Nevan for ranged and Beowulf DT. With the original 3 Summons available of course
i agree theres a fuckton of potential here, V's summons are all broken because he only has 3 of them but adding more and balancing it out could end up really fun, also fix the nightmare controls
Brayden James
I feel like I need to make a recording of Nero vs Dante chasing Artemis Groundtrick->airtrick repeat covers the area in less than a second
James Lopez
>Have to literally watch creatures fight for you while you hang back thats all you do before finishing a demon off
>t.got BTFO V literally watches his familiar fuck him out of combat.
Tyler Fisher
>no shit Bosses Yeah, but most of the DMC5 bosses are boring. On DMD, they have more HP than even DMC3's DMD bosses. Seriously, the DT'd enemies in DMC5 have the most health of any DT'd enemy in the entire series. The problem is not that they go into DT, but that aside from Nidhogg and Vergil, none of the bosses gain ANY new moves when they DT. What it ends up feeling is like the boss just recovered like 30% of their health because it's still the exact same fight.
The boss in DMC5 I hate the most is Urizen 2. I find it utterly retarded that NOBODY at Capcom thought it was odd that he STILL punched and kicked the ground even if you were in the air. Even fucking Goliath had attacks and swipes for you if you're in the air. Urizen doesn't do that. You can be floating near his head and he'll still kick the fucking ground. So dumb. Such lazy design.
>no shit enemies I'll give you that. The Soul Eaters, Fallen, Dullahans and Bloodgoyles of DMC3 make it hard for me to return to that game. People say that DMC5's Judeccas and Furies are annoying "that enemy" types, but they have very predictable counters and strategies. There's plenty of YouTube videos that break down how to completely destroy these enemies. And you can more importantly do so without camera gimmicks unlike previous games. >better gameplay True. >style switching True.
DMC5's story and soundtrack is worse than 3 though.
*Meant to say Urizen 3. I'm specifically talking about the M17 Urizen.
Daniel Butler
>vergil will play the same as in 4 >no styles like summoner and doppleganger >probably will have beowulf and SE again Man id love the idea of vergil secretly buying off dantes Devil arms and hoarding them for himself >Vergil with nevan
urizen does have anti air jabs and uppercuts, he only does them during his third phase though after he starts beaming up the place, but i agree he should use them earlier
Tyler Kelly
Seeing as you can actually parry attacks with V I think its possible to pull risky moves against single targets to capitalize on this. Which might make those sequences more intense if not more fun.
He does have a doppelganger in his boss fight. Very possible they integrate it to the gameplay should he ever become playable
Liam Barnes
>Urizen has beowulf moveset Huh
Carter Hernandez
You have 3 golden orbs and the AI is much easier. You die within 3 hit as well in DMD.
Nolan Phillips
cerberus, sad about him being too easy and his music being so shit because he looks amazing in this game
Could you still get S-ranks even when using Gold orbs
Jaxon Watson
>he doesn't like the hardbass cyka
Kayden Martinez
His music really grew on me, kinda like nuhuman
Evan Morris
Is it true that the game was recently patched so that quitting to the menu counted as using a continue?
Lucas Butler
V is the one controlling them and the one finishing them off, rap it around your head already >better soundtrack Yeah no. It’s soundtrack is better utilized in cutscenes in 3 but it can’t compete with all the bangers in 5
Christian Sullivan
>V is the one controlling them and the one finishing them off, rap it around your head already Yeah so Vergil was controling them when Dante was fighting them >V-cuck cope
Liam Collins
>I can't play V and do an SSS ranking therefore he sucks and not me Why is there so many whiners nowadays with V. If you learn how to use both of the creatures and spam attack rush you would easily say he is the best. Stop playing conservatively like you do with Dante and Nero.
Josiah Williams
I can’t tell if you’re being serious when you say Vergil was controlling them because you’re such a brainlet. Are you?
Cooper Miller
One thing that DMC5 did incredibly well that I don't think it gets enough credit for is its S-tier mouse and keyboard controls. I S-ranked everything in the game up to like M8 of DMD difficulty with KB+M and I've experienced no problems at all.
Going to previous games is a pain, because the options for rebinding are so much more limited. It's a shame there's no way to map anything to the left and right mouse buttons in the DMC HD Collection. And, no, using Auto Hotkey is too complicated for my tiny reptile brain.
Juan Smith
>can't do an SSS ranking >with V nigger he's the easiest character to do SSS, he's just boring to play with
>pets feel unresponsive >unreliable nightmare spawn >only one cane move >cane move takes DT >if pets die and you don't have DT to summon nightmare you can't do shit
He was cool on first time, but a pain in DMD and HaH. Maybe Itsuno will flesh his playstyle on DD2
Depends on who D you can just trickster dodge forever until it stops Nero right before it's gonna hit you triple jump to the side V has the sideroll with most iframes, just spam it
Adrian Flores
>pic related This shit started happening after selecting Dante's ex colour. Anyone else get it. I'm on mission 11 and it crashed at the beginning and when I was fighting Angelo.
>I can’t tell if you’re being serious when you say Vergil was controlling them because you’re such a brainlet. Are you? I'm being sarcastic you dumbass. Wtf! Your the one saying v is controlling them
I want to see V gameplay with someone who isn't a cripple Basic sword combos + familiar control + multiple types of familiars to swap from, would be a great SMT Action game.
Isaac Rodriguez
nvidia?
Ayden Hernandez
>One thing that DMC5 did incredibly well that I don't think it gets enough credit for is its S-tier mouse and keyboard controls. I S-ranked everything in the game up to like M8 of DMD difficulty with KB+M and I've experienced no problems at all. Hate to rain on your parade but DMD is actually normal difficulty. The difficulty in this game is horrendously easy. Talk about casualisation.
>nvidia? Yup. >works on my machine lol Thanks for the input.
Gabriel Russell
/r/ing 5Dante' closeup face. Fucking Q*ant only gives me El Donte and the bike hobo man dante
Luis King
>Dante has less mobility than Nero and less cool shit to do.
It feels like that at first, once you learn how to chain together style switches, weapons and all the weird cancels Dante can do he's a fucking monster. He just takes time to learn
Jackson Rivera
There once was a poster called user Within his head had he brain? None He knew not limericks He sucked many dicks And from this thread he is long gone
How do I empower my minions using those 3 bars at the top left? I know that a full bar lets me summon the golem, but I remember there being a way to use 1-2 of those slivers to make my crow and/or kitty stronger.
can some one redpill me on devil sword dante? I like to use rebellion for nostalgia purpose but it seems to have less combos.
Nicholas Roberts
you can stop pretending you're the le hardcore gamer now
Dylan Torres
nvidia new patch fucked up and is crashing alot of games and dmc5 is one of them
Kevin Jenkins
Sorry bud but DMC4 still remains the easiest DMC barring DmC and 2
Jayden Cox
hold left trigger and press the corresponding button to the buddy you wanna buff
Joshua Gutierrez
I don't know what the default button is, but go into the control option and look for the one called Auto Attack. Press that and either Shadow's button or Griffon's button at the same time to DT them. It gives them a damage and defense buff. It makes them auto attack, like it says, but you can also still issue commands.
Dominic Martinez
RT + x or y
Austin Lewis
Thanks friends. I stopped playing for a week and when I came back all of the controls felt off and I forgot how to combo
Prepare for fucked muscle memory for Helmbreaker (it's now lock + back+ attack), dance macabre, drive and aerial rave as default move.
Summoned swords are cool shit and you can mash style button during default attacks. And SDT with QuadS is kino
Nathan Wilson
Yeah it fucking blows. Even just breaking red orb plants takes longer than it needs to because they have to go through their summon animation first. He's a huge black mark on an otherwise great game
Blake Moore
Yeah, even after I got the hang of him, he never was any fun to play. I wouldn't mind seeing the gameplay format in DD2 but I hope this is the last time we see it in a DMC game.
Cameron Anderson
The most correct post in the thread. As soon as you get Dante, every other character just becomes a chore.
Nathaniel Gomez
V is nothing compared to the game's horrendous loading times and the sheer abundance of loading screens you have to go through. That's the real black mark on this game.
You know something is wrong when you have worse loading times on an SSD on PC than Monster Hunter World. I hate how just going into the customization menu has its own loading screen thanks to that dumb and unnecessary Nico idling animation being loaded in. I can't imagine how much worse it is on PS4/XB1.
Angel Wood
I'm talking about gameplay-wise, but yeah, the loading screens fucking stink. I'm playing on PS4 and it's genuinely atrocious.
Michael Rivera
oh god, this. I think at least half of my playing time is actually just waiting while it loads.
Jackson Lopez
>can't skip for the first 3-5 seconds of a cutscene mega why
Benjamin Morris
>DMC5 was my first DMC game and only Nero was fun to play. >Dante has less mobility than Nero and less cool shit to do. >Dante has less mobility >Dante has less cool shit >Only Nero was fun to play is this bait?
How many seconds on average, if you can remember? Let's say you are aiming for a no-damage run and want to restart the mission. How long does it take, taking into consideration that if you're Nero you have to constantly refill your breaker loadouts because the game doesn't do it for you even if you have 999 of each breaker?
Can't you setup the loadout magazine and choose it without entering shop?
Connor Young
>you can stop pretending you're the le hardcore gamer now I'm not even that good. If I was arsed to record you'd see my playstyle is poor style. I sometimes feel lost not knowing what to do yet the enemies and bosses still feel like a cake walk. I feel no urgency in SoS. >Sorry bud but DMC4 still remains the easiest DMC barring DmC and 2 DmC's SoS is harder than Dmc5s. Explain that.
Charles Myers
>2011+8 >there are still games that don't allow player to go into the options menu and prevent cutscenes from being played
It sucks that these aren't prerendered cutscenes, because in old PC games, you could simply just go to your game directory and delete all the movie files if you don't want the cinematics of a game to load and waste your time.
Dominic Garcia
Am i the only one who doesn't buy breakers after i get DB back?
Are you fucking serious? You don't use breakers anymore? You are seriously missing out on some of Nero's most powerful moves.
Jayden Thomas
Sauce?
Daniel Clark
you are an asshole
Juan Scott
If you're right at the start of the mission, you can choose to restart from checkpoint and it'll restart the mission with no penalty. Any other time you want to restart, you have to retry mission, have it load the cutscene, wait until you can skip the cutscene, skip it, another loading screen, get into the customize screen, immediately start the mission and go into another loading screen, then wait until you can skip the cutscene and then you get into the mission. Not to mention having to wait after dying because the first options upon dying are to revive yourself with orbs and there's no way to turn that off.
As Nero, set your breakers in one of the other loadouts, the ones with numbers. If you restart from checkpoint it won't refill them (why), but if you retry the whole mission, on the customize screen you can tap R1 and L1 to cycle through loadouts and it'll resupply them.
Evan Myers
I use breakers, but only the ones i find in the ground
You know breakers still work and Buster Arm is two times as strong as normal busters and fucking oneshots nonbosses with the break age.
Nicholas Ward
I only use gerbera for the airdash and don't care about anything else
Connor Cook
When was the last time you played DmC on SoS? Better yet, when was the last time you played 4 on DMD? Harder than 5's my ass.
Hudson Ward
That's not a viable strategy come DMD because there's only like 2-3 per entire mission when you get to that difficulty. Well, you're missing out. Buster Arm has insane damage and can delete any enemy save for the Behemoths and the Proto Angelos on DMD. Ragtime can provide 100% safe setups for Showdown. Helter Skelter is invaluable for breaking Urizen's crystals or any kind of armor.
Jeremiah Lopez
yeah I know all that but I like gerbera more
Jaxon Garcia
Maybe even more fun than Vergil. He's too strong in DMC4SE, too safe. A skilled DMC player can feel untouchable, but Vergil doesn't really require skill. Things that would be difficult for a new Dante player would be quite easy with Vergil. I don't even know why the Concentration gauge exists because he's already an unstoppable juggernaut without it; maxing it out is simply overkill. If Vergil is ever playable in DMC5, they would need to make some drastic changes.
>Summoned Sword damage enhancer >Doppelganger for a further increase in damage >Concentration Gauge
Capcom no
Christopher Davis
>you still can't buy DLC breakers individually on Steam
Fuck you, Capcom. I'm not gonna spend my money on your useless deluxe edition bundle. I don't give a fuck about your style announcers or your classic tunes. I just want the DLC Gerbera breaker.
Elijah Gutierrez
You know what would have been cool is when you complete the game you get the ability to cycle your breakers with Nero. This breaking shit is extremely tedious
Eli Roberts
>Literally every character could just be a style or weapon for Dante. >But nah let's just arbitrarily add more and more characters.
Landon White
>can't use dlc breakers OR cavaliere R in bloody palace i still don't get why
To normalise leaderboards because not everyone has the DLC Though on PC you can do all kinds of cheat shit anyway I assume so it's not like the leaderboards would be pure to begin with
Adam Rivera
Whoops. Somehow missed it. Thanks.
Luis Robinson
>When was the last time you played DmC on SoS? Maybe 2 years ago. Or alil more. DmC was my intro into the franchise and I found SoS much harder Better yet, when was the last time you played 4 on DMD? Never >Harder than 5's my ass. Honestly feels like it. Maybe it's cause I abuse Cavalier and those "press one button for super long combo" moves that just seem to stun all the enemies in the area.
Hudson Roberts
Who /haven't S ranked mission 10/ here? I gave up a while ago, now I'm stuck on Mission 12 and I'm about to give up on this as well
Simple, 5 is a better game, and 3 doesn't have DMC's best boy, thus inferior. I'm only even into this series because of the kratos grappling.
Hunter Walker
If DmC was your first then no wonder you found SoS on it harder than 5. If you discount DMC2, DmC and DMC4 are still by far the easiest games in the series. 4's DMD is practically 5's SoS with how much of a cakewalk that game is
And just for a frame of reference, I played the entire series up to DMD in the 2 weeks leading up to 5's release.
DMC1 has the best environments though, that's cheating.
Levi Foster
>Not to mention having to wait after dying because the first options upon dying are to revive yourself with orbs and there's no way to turn that off.
Plus, that whole "The Last Judgment Draweth Nigh" sequence is so fucking slow and unskippable. First your character drops dead. Then the camera goes to the sky. Then the text appears. Then, and only then, are you given the options of what to do next.
I fucking hate Itsuno sometimes. There's no reason why a death screen has to be that long and drawn out. Ys 8: Lacrimosa of Dana on Inferno difficulty is 10 times harder than DMD, yet when you die you are IMMEDIATELY given the option to restart the fight. No long and drawn out death scenes there.
Wyatt Rodriguez
>charges in to fight battles with one arm and no powers like a badass >put into a coma, only last for a few days >dante gets rekt at full power after a literal urizen bitchslap >unconcious for a whole entire month BASED NERO CHAD
>Mission 11 on HaH I've not bitched out and used Super costume yet but I'm getting FUCKING CLOSE
Caleb James
10, 12, and 18 are the hardest mission to S Rank.
Julian Rivera
Capcom are the masters of botched ideas, wasted time, money and resources. Their favorite thing to do is build hundreds of assets, and then immediately delete it all and start over.
Thomas Brooks
Thread ended here
Luke Morris
Probably KC, but Urizen is great as well >I AM POWER, ABSOLUTE
Logan Campbell
It's your punishment for failure.
Joseph Richardson
Nero was never in a coma. V dragged him out before Urizen could slap him around some more.
Wyatt Bennett
>Cavaliere Angelo or Full-power Urizen >Angelo >Personality
Isaiah Hughes
>decide to use either sparda or rebellion since i've been using DSD for quite a while >they don't seem to have drive, overdrive or quick drive >only DSD has em am i missing something?
Wasn't he coming out of a coma when V broke into his house?
Cooper Torres
They took out Drive from those swords.
William Torres
Seething incarnate
Michael Jones
Shit just got to Dante's house in m12 on SoS. SSS every battle but still just below 3500 style points everytime. Wtf. I'm afraid what I'll see after facing urizen
Luke Adams
Nope. Only DSD has drive. The only thing DSD lacks compared to the others is an instant prop-shredder for parrying, but otherwise it has everything else and more. Fuck do I miss instant prop shredder though, such a kino move.
Easton Brown
Yes, but that was after Vergil ripped his arm off and about a month before fighting Urizen.
Nolan Kelly
He was in a coma when Vergil stole his arm
yes
Jack Cox
Any mission that is not with Dante is shit and unfun especially the Gilgamesh fight in DmD
Grayson Davis
Playing dmc3 on hard, just beat Vergil 1. Does swordmaster get cool moves at level 3? Because I don't really like it so far. Also how good is drive? It takes too long to charge imo.
>most braindead gameplay in all games more like who likes V has low IQ
Jose Gonzalez
I despise the scoring system in this game. The fact that you get such a gigantic bonus for no-damaging combined with the lack of a punishment for taking too long means that the game encourages you to play lame to get S-ranks.
As long as you get a minimum of 2,500 style points, you can still get an S-rank as long as you no-damage the mission and use no continues (which gives you 2x and 1.2x extra points for getting them). Which is only difficult to do if you're Nero. If you're V or Dante, playing lame and doing no-damage is easy.
Nathaniel Adams
I enjoyed playing V more when I learned I can "reset" Shadow/call him back just by side dodging. It's really easy for him to get lost in the fray.
Right, because I love searching environments for red orbs in which you need 90% for an S rank in my action game
Adam Adams
You do know Griffon can do the same with the back dodge or double jump, right?
Tyler Sanchez
Why the fuck are studios so incompetent at doing things that make actual sense? Youd think that they would have standardized certain aspects of the games since REmake 2 and DMC5 were developed side by side on the same fucking engine in the same house but somehow DMC5 has this absolutely retarded loading screen/ menu philosophy
booting up the game puts you into a loading screen so that you can open up the tiny intro cinematic where you can either continue, go into a main menu or settings
choosing continue or main menu puts you into a loading screen again. A perfect sign of what is to come. Why the fuck doesnt it just put you into the main menu in the first place? What the FUCK retards? Why the fuck is there a loading screen between mission start and customize too, and then ANOTHER loading between customize and the actual mission beginning? Someone should literally be killed at CAPCOM for this, the actual game is godlike but I absolutely DREAD going through the menus to access the game. Its a fucking nightmare if you played on DMD and want to go to practice mode without enemy DT since the actually literally retarded yellow niggers couldnt just put an enemy DT option into the settings of the void so you go through 50 loading screens booting up a mission on SOS, going back to the menu and then back to the void
Not him, but despising the flaws in 5's system doesn't necessarily mean you prefer the scoring system in previous games. I think the scoring system is pretty flawed but I still prefer it to the other games with time and orb requirements, especially 3. 3 was a fucking nightmare.
Dylan Jenkins
>enemy right up in Vs grill >side dodge to get shadow back >part of his dodge animation is running the fuck away straight after and leaving V open again
Why can’t that stupid ass cat just stay in front of me where I want him
Adam Wright
>If DMC 4 is so easy why can I not beat Berial then? See lol Yeah I decided to get through the whole series on Normal (skipped 2 for obvious reasons) and honestly I found DMC 3 normal mode more challenging than dmc5 SoS. I think the problem is they've made the MC's too OP in this game.
Landon Clark
>POS4 problems
Owen Gutierrez
>OLD SYSTEM GOOD NEW SYSTEM BAD!
No u
Jason Flores
Yeah but I didn't have nearly as much trouble keeping up with Griff because he's constantly flying
>3 was a fucking nightmare How bad is it? I'm not very good but I want to SS DMD. I can't jump cancel for shit or do other advanced tricks yet.
Joseph Russell
I've clocked the game 5 times by now so I've got a good idea about what I'm on about
Robert Phillips
>OLD SYSTEM GOOD who are you quoting?
Lucas Perez
HOLY SHIT BASED
Andrew Allen
Would like to see you max act every attack white Devil knuckling shit and charging blue rose :^)
Dylan Wood
DMC3 is definitely still the hardest in the series but it also has what I consider to be the highest number of just annoying enemies. Not ones that are particularly hard, just time wasters that aren't all that fun to fight like Soul Eaters, Dullahans, Arachnids etc. 5 has less of these kinds of annoying enemies so even if the two games were on the same difficulty, I'd still find DMC3 "harder" because of this alone.
But hey that's just me
Sebastian Ross
There's so much that's draconian and retograde in this game that it just blows my mind. Like, you cannot restart a boss fight. You have to restart from a checkpoint (or restart the mission). Like, why? Why do we have to restart from the nearest goddess statue? It's like a staple in action games since 2000 to allow players to immediately restart a boss fight without needing to go through parts of the level.
Why is it that if I restart from a checkpoint at Cavaliere Angelo, I have to:
1. Jump up to the long highway 2. Run forward 3. Wait for the cutscene to start 4. Mash until the cutscene skips
Before I can actually fight Cavaliere Angelo again?
Noah Hall
the loading screens themselves arent long and yet they add up to 10 minutes of total menu browsing before you get to actually do what you wanted
Isaac Walker
is there any counterplay to behemoths charging attack besides staying away and shooting him
Josiah Lopez
Punishment for failure.
Angel Turner
10 is the worst fucking mission in the entire game. None of it is good and it doesn't even have the decency to be short.
Christian Smith
You can parry it and it leaves it wide open
Camden Fisher
Even with ez mode parry moves like ice age and rawhide?
Nathan James
3 DMD is the hardest to SS rank in the entire series. It's pretty brutal.
William Foster
meant to reply to
Jaxon Evans
Is it not the only game with SS rankings? Which from my understanding require S in all categories. I suppose time&orbs are what make it so difficult
Adrian Brooks
4 has SS as well. 90% sure 1 does as well, but it's been a long time.
Gavin Howard
ESPECIALLY with ex mode parry moves like Ice Age and Rawhide. if you don't parry that shit then have fun with it charging until the fucking sun dies out
Kevin Morales
No, DMC1 only goes up to S.
Jackson Lee
>1 does You can get the special bonus but that doesn't seem to add another S
Ryan Barnes
Last thread someone said V's regular model has leg tatoos but his nude one does not. I want to see them!
Hey I'm that user. I'll try grab the pic where I found but it was from some korean twitter. Don't hold out hope,
Robert Clark
You just have to put the Sparda/Rebellion to DSD mod
Wyatt Jones
Just look up DMC5 mods in google. There's a mod to change DSD to look like Rebellion or Sparda. You still won't have a weapon with both drive and prop-shredder though.
Henry Murphy
yeah, but then i have DSD lower damage, and slow prop-shredder
V is also the only character in the game whose gameplay never evolves or changes, V by the end of the game is the same character you basically started with, while both Dante and Nero changed. Dante new weapons and Sin DT. Nero new arms and a devil trigger. V literally has everything in the beginning, minus upgrades. You can get all V's shit in the beginning.
James Bell
V's directional inputs are 100% based on V's location compared to the lock on and not the summon. If Griffin is behind the enemy and V is in front, up+Griffin is dive.
>watching streams between BP runs >some guy fighting SoS Vergil with Nero >refuses to use breakers >refuses to use gun >refuses to use exceed >"I just don't get them I have my own style" >"Nero just sucks he's got no damage and no mobility" >after apparently an hour of failed attempts he just gold orbed through so he could "skip to bloody palace"
What the fuck is wrong with that person as a human being? I don't use Exceed as much as I should but that's just me fucking up the timing because I'm shit at it, that's not "having your own style". And Nero without using any of those things STILL has mobility out the ass because he has shit like Snatch and Streak. This streamer you speak of cannot be real, he is the fabrication of a twisted mind designed to produce exactly the response I'm giving to you. God damn it, I have been played.
Jacob White
What? You implying I edited it to make someone taller/shorter or something?
>I use an HDD from 2001 cool beans >why can't I restart right at the boss fight instead of the curated checkpoint I want to suck with no consequences So use an orb or git gud faggot
Asher Rodriguez
They also kept wishing the controls were "more responsive like dark souls" and kept trying to dodge roll everything instead of using Nero's five billion jumps
Alexander Jones
I really dont get it
Mason Kelly
Cease your fiction.
Robert Miller
nero is a manlet
Jonathan Campbell
I'm saying the line doesn't start on one of the characters feet properly and he's clearly pushed up. We've all these characters literally standing to each other in-game, it is not that huge. And V is around the same height as Nero.
Urizen 3 has some serious dissonance, in the first couple of phases he really just punches the air and then near the end he turns his whole body into a hurtbox. I legit found the fight harder than M19 for a while until I nailed the Trickster movements.
DMC3 has some hard points like fighting Cerberus with like no equipments but otherwise I didn't find it to be too hard. Arachnes are actually a decent enemy (they hit the sweet spot between the literal sandbags and the other bullshit/gimmicky enemies just fine) but you usually face them in rooms with horrible cameras.
Jaxson Hall
Who did? because not even Dante's proportions seem right, he should be noticeably taller than both Nero and V
Apparently Dante: 6'4" Nero: 6'2" But in-game Dante doesn't look THAT much taller than Nero, so maybe japs just got their measurements wrong?
I'm not sure how tall V or Vergil are (apparently he was 6'3" in dmc4) , but those are the confirmed heights for Nero and Dante (supposedly) as in-game it doesn't look that way.
It's just a shame that they gutted the arms so modding them in aint the easiest
Elijah Perry
the boss fights are honestly the worst part of the game the only goo ones are rehashes of 3s, Vergil/Cerberus. Goliath is 'ok' but some like the plant dude for V and the horse were shit oh and cavilaire 'please parry absolutely fucking everything i do by breathing' is a joke
Adrian Lopez
not even remotely true holy shit, its similar to DmC stupid, 3’s JC is way more tight
I love the way dante’s shirt clings and pools around his body
Brayden Bailey
Level 3 Swordmaster moves do the most damage. Also, they give you heaps of style.
Oliver Fisher
But it has the most consistent quality of bosses of any game. Sure, there isn't anything as good as Veril 2/3 or Credo. But there isn't anything anywhere close to as bad as gigapede, leviathan heart, the savior or the glass window. The worst boss in the game is probably gilgamesh and that's only because it's boring. It isn't actively annoyingly shit like the aforementioned.
Liam Clark
Ahh this brings me back to the manlet threads before release.
>vergil arms >skinnier than both nero and dante Do you even lift, Vergil?
Colton Butler
5Vergil honestly stands equal to Vergil3 for me. I really dig the way he essentially evolves through Vergil 1 2 and 3 all in the same fight
Adam Morales
While they were off training their caveman muscles and neglecting their brain, Vergil was training in the way of the blade and furthering his mind towards zen.
The payback for V is different, it feels fucking great to recite Blake with Griffith bantz while destroying demons. Nero/Dante are more the instant payback type where it feels fucking good to parry or style with combos on jabronis.
I agree for the most part, my only complaint is that it's a lot easier than Vergil 3 simply because of the 10 trillion extra tools you have access to as 5 Dante compared to 3 Dante. Then the Nero fight Vergil is tuned down compared to the Dante fight, as well as even Nero having a lot more tools than 3 Dante ever had.
Chase Cook
Looking at them all, the legs and the arms. Shit, Nero thicc af, unga is confirmed canon.
David Taylor
I admire Vergil merely cause he keeps up with Dante's powerlevel without the bullshit soul and heart motivation
Caleb Bell
>I admire Vergil merely cause he keeps up with Dante's powerlevel without the bullshit soul and heart motivation
Thank you! I wonder if someone could investigate the game files for the texture.
Adam Perry
>buy DMC V full price >play thought it once, 8 hour game >never touch again >still playing Sekiro form release >fucking fun and more replay value
fuck DMC, the equivalent of a shitty hollywood movie
Oliver Scott
I did a DMC3 nostalgia run against DMD 5Vergil using Rebellion, King Cerberus, E&I and Kalina Ann as well as RG only and man, it was fun as all hell. Sure you have to limit yourself for that kind of fun but hey, that's what the game is all about, finding your own fun.
>Buy DMC5 full price >100+ hours still playing it >Buy Sekiro for $30 off on release >30ish hours, no desire at all to play NG+
Been having a great time with both. It's a shame you're too much of an autistic faggot to actually enjoy all the good games that have came out. The fact it makes you asshurt enough to post in the thread of a game you don't like is funny enough to make it worth it though.
That was when he was Nelo, he was fully on the Mundus gear. After Dante smacked him around for turning his back on natural gains he wandered around losing his gains to underworld goblins until he found he gigachad son and decided to hatch a plan to restore his natural body and begin anew.
jesus christ stage 100 on bloody palace is such a fucking adrenaline rush to beat. now onto vergil i guess
Samuel Thompson
Absolutely based
Blake Long
Here, let me save you from playing it >Ultra contrarians There you go. DmC DMC was universally hated on Yea Forums when it released. The only people who defended it were journalists at the time. Anyone defending it now is either a journalist or a faggot contrarian. Don't put yourself through the pain.
Connor Fisher
Can someone tell me the source of this? where does this gif come from? CGI nero fought Dante, when!?!?
>Pick Nero >Pick Tomboy >Activate Tomboy >Enter gun aiming mode because I was charging blue rose like I always do >Get hit during the aim >Tomboy breaks
Every time, I don't even try to use it anymore. Punch-line is the overall best breaker anyway.
Robert Flores
Yeah but V still whack
Justin Morgan
>tomboy spam >boss kek, using this simple logic, they all are braindead, Dante can literally burst down entire bosses, zero effort.
Or, run in circles, watch netflix on your laptop, as you spam square and triangle, and only look at the screen to press forward, V. V's bloody palace run was an absolute breeze, it was also the most boring because of how dumb easy he made it. You literally have a character, who's pets can pull most of the aggro from him, he is never really in danger at any point. There's no way around it, he IS the casual character.
Samuel James
Any and all tips on how to S-rank mission 16 on H&H please. I expect KC to be a cunt.
Juan Jones
So I've taken a few screen shots for like the first time ever. What do you think?
The clip this guy has posted is a Sasaki clip, if anybody was wondering. Sasaki is legitimately the best. If you're going to follow any combo video guys, he's the one.
Donguri legit just quit after re-uploading the same combo video for the 5th time. I think he's just come to realize he was largely a one-trick pony with his guard fly movement and such. He's amazing and all but nowhere near the level of creativity people like Sasaki and even Brea have.
V is what makes the game a 9/10 for me, he's just too easy to play and doesnt feel rewarding compared to dante and nero.
Asher Myers
>bosses Which besides the fact that you admitted were plagued with shit encounters, the only ones worth a shit in DMC3 were Vergil, A&R, and Beowolf. I'll take consistency over 1/3rd being good. >in 5 you're forced to play with v and Nero Who are still fun to play regardless >but it's not a fanfic like 5 Whats fanfic about it? And don't you dare use the "muh Vergil should've stayed dead" card >and the level design/environment from 5 is shit I'll take 5's approach to Temenigru's obnoxious pace breaking puzzles, backtracking, and garbage fixed camera angles thank you very much. >not playing dmc3 with style switcher mod >wat >Using broken mods wat
>he's just too easy to play and doesnt feel rewarding compared to dante and nero this, playing V is just meh
Jonathan James
Gotta convert the video file to a vp8 type webm. Gookmoot a fuck and still hasn't implemented vp9 for whatever fucking reason Also you gotta keep it under 4mb
Owen Richardson
Don't worry, my combos are either super basic or just ripped off ideas from other people. It just takes practice and experimentation.
>Nero doesn't use the "you want this? Keep it" line when stabbing Vergil with Yamato
Charles Thompson
Yeah but look at that, you switch styles and weapons like it's nothing, all I did was three moves in succession.
Joseph Morgan
You do have more tools but so does Vergil. Really the toughest part about 3 Vergil is the hax regen, mechanically 5 Vergil is a lot more complex than 3.
Elijah Nguyen
Vergil regenerates in 5 as well. In my experience he stays in DT for longer too, unless you force him out of it.
Christian Cruz
See, this is good shit. I wish I had this level of creativity.
That combo especially is a lot easier than it looks. They're all very slow and basic style switches and jump cancels. Just break combos into parts and practice them separately before attempting to put them together, where you can.
>V is nothing compared to the game's horrendous loading times and the sheer abundance of loading screens you have to go through. Oh god what were they fucking thinking. I shouldn't have to go through hoops just to customizes only ONE character at a time during a selected mission menu. Even Bayonetta 2 did this right.
Levi Martinez
He does but it is not so drastic, I replayed the fight a bunch on DMD yesterday and if you keep DSD's Round Trips on him you can keep it in check. That factors into another difference in the fights, in 3 the DT regen (which you can't really stop if he does Helm Breakers) means you have to put a lot of pressure on him when he goes out of it but he is kind of helpless when he goes out of DT, 5 Vergil (on DMD at least) has much shorter windows to exploit even out of DT but you don't have to put out as much damage. T
They're both great fights but I think 5 does a good job of modernizing it and I do prefer it.
Jordan Harris
You're going to have a game with gameplay that is above average for a western action game, but very below average for a Japanese action game, especially a DMC game. The story is so unbelievably bad that it's enjoyable on the level of waiting to see what kind of absurdly embarrassingly bad shit is going to happen next. It's a mess of a game.
>Dante and Nero never had a single combined attack like in that gif
I wish we could have seen more of them together. Uncle and nephew duos are so rare. Usually they're enemies.
Jacob Reed
Delusion. 3 is still the best, even without style switching.
Liam Wilson
It's just a joke man. Not everyone who likes V or shitposts is some mentally challenge tumblr faggot seething over Vergil's existence. Granted, the number of ebic replies to the original posts reeks of PUT ME IN THE R/Yea Forums SCREENCAP faggotry. No denying that.
Adrian Hall
>samefag It probably is kek. Did reddit forget anons can check new ips?
Anthony Watson
My game crashed on New game, we're off to a good start kek
Matthew Myers
The quality of environments is not how many pixels they are made out of you troglodyte.
Isaiah Gonzalez
Good shit, I fucking love rainstorm.
Caleb Martinez
Neat, I thought it was random
Aaron Flores
It's a chore to play again really.
Adrian Gray
>Yeah but look at that, you switch styles and weapons like it's nothing, all I did was three moves in succession. Keep playing. The more all the weapons and such feel second nature doing combos will be alot easier cause all the moves are muscle memory basically all you have to do is thread them together. The thing about being inexperienced is that you will really struggle to put together combos cause your too busy thinking about what move should come next. Like with Dante for example I used to stress(still stress alil sometimes [I'm not that good really]) when I weaponed switched cause I would feel lost as to what move I should do. Now I weapon switch and just get on to pressing my combos. All thing I could get used to now is style switching and I'll be pretty boss. It's alright to suck alil just take things slow and you'll get better. Don't try going into the void and stringing together cool combos like your favourite YouTuber. You just haven't acquired the skills, yet, to be able to attempt it.
Carson Reyes
I agree op. The whole point of DMC is active combat, not passive combat which is what V is. He also only has a few mission. The fact that itsuno thought that playing as him instead of nero or dante was a good idea is troubling. V should've just been a character that followed nero around until the two got tothe point where he merged with urizin - which should have just been mission 10.
The virgil fight should've been mission 12. ANd then a real bad guy should have appeared for the rest of the game because the games current story fucking sucks
Adrian Brown
I got the game, then learned I could skip to SoP without having to play Devil Hunter by beating !Vergil at the start. I did that, played on SoP with no upgrades obviously, and I can say that the only thing hard about this game was not turning it off forever while mashing buttons getting SSS on V.
Owen Morales
Never said it was, bozo. Majority of Temen Ni Gru was dull grey and brown hallways and it only ever got interesting near the end when it transitioned to the hell shit. There was rarely anything interesting to see. It can be less linear most of DMC5's levels I'll give it that, but that's superfluous as all it amounts to is being able to backtrack down the same dull hallway as the last mission for no reason.
David Campbell
>Too much weight Who's the dead weight nOw, DANTE!!
Where the hell does the player data for the V in mission 2 come from?
Austin Carter
V is a great addition to the game and makes it feel more distinct from DMC4.
The only problem is that he didn't have as much to him as Nero/Dante. A big part of it is because Nero/Dante borrow so much from DMC4 so it was easier to just add more stuff on top, whereas they had to make V from scratch. I would love for a DLC expansion to expand on him. More cane moves. Something for the d-pad, maybe the ability to more directly control your familiars' positioning. Alternatively they could give him new familiars like Phantom.
Elijah Bailey
The game is so slow. Is there never going to be a turbo mode?
DMC5's environments are a generic city, and then Capcom's infamous Oooze but everywhere. The fact you think it's "great" just tells me you are a fucking retard.
I hope DMC5 gets turbo mode but the idea that the vanilla speed is "slow" is fucking retarded, even without turbo it's still faster than the vast majority of action games.
Did I ever say it was great, dumbass? All I said is that it's better than DMC3's. DMC1 still remains as the peak of DMC environment and atmosphere and I've been complaining about 3's shit hallways not matching up to it since 2009. Good job posting one of the very few exceptions though. Sure got me there.
Lucas Stewart
I think the hax regen was actually what made the Vergil fight in 3 so memorable. Unless you're exploiting Royal Guard, Swordmaster, or gun swaping, you're pretty much forced to engage him while he's in devil trigger or has swords up to keep up with his regen. Unlike in 5 Vergil where you can just hang back and wait for his DT to run out without much consequence.