DMC

>Can there be a true DMC game without Dante
no

>Tfw even though Reuben did a good job with a more serious Dante in V it still wouldn't feel right if Dante went back to his 1 self but voiced by reuben
Man nothing will ever be able to to replace drew coombs

i hope the user who wants to fuck griffon comes back soon

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This reminds me... there's still that new DMC anime coming out on Netflix. Do you guys think it'll be based on one of the games or more slice of life stuff?

Is it time for cute boys?

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I got in with 4 and think Nero is awesome but don't think they can ditch Dante.
Hope that we can get Nero, Dante and Vergil(in his complete form) for next game eventually.

nice pic user, haven't seen that one before

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brub

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Thick motherfucker

I have a feeling that the guy you're talking is borbposter himself

>Pathetic.png

I never left

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They're just not going to write a story focused on Sparda, his legacy or conflict between Dante and Vergil anymore.
Now Give me a DMC6 focused on Dante opening a pizzeria in Hell with a side story about the guys on the human world dealing with demons escaping Hell because of two maniacs are bullying everyone.

dmc 5 felt like a proper passing of the torch to nero and a soft exit for dante and vergil, im sure they will be back but I expect the inevitable 6 is going to be largely unfocused on them with them maybe making a hype return at the end of the game but not playable.

Man American /dmc/ hours suck. You're all raging faggots.

Guys what if...

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His lips look so kissable.

I liked Rueben as younger Dante but as a voice actor I'd like to see Drew have another crack at it. The voice direction in DMC1 could have been a lot better than it was.

Now that the newest Star Wars got properly announced and its obviously going to suck, should JJ just make kylo ren start reciting poetry?

I want brotherly hijinks in the next game. Tag team Dante and Vergil.

It's literally about to be midnight over here though.

Goddammit, feels like RNG trying to get the Vergil taunt going.

i want him to call me a silly little boy

What kind of plot thread could a new DMC starring Nero even take at this point?

Credo comes back from the dead as a villain and he goes off to figure out why?

I like Nero too, but I think the only way he can carry a game without Dante is if either Vergil or Lady and Trish were with him. And Dante still has to make an appearance.

is it explained why V has a unique appearance and doesn't just look like Vergil

don't associate me with those people for the love of god I just want my own borb friend to have playful banter with

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Or maybe something like Kyrie getting kidnapped by whoever (fuck it, let's say the demons who were following Urizen) and like she gets turned into a vessel for some primordial goddess like Lilith or some shit

Well Vergil in Kingdom Hearts would have probably succumbed to the Darkness basically immediately.
Or been trying so hard to get a Keyblade he'd will it into existence via sheer need.

Fuck Nero, maka the first game where Vergil is playable without waiting million years for SE/DLC

Probably the same reason why Urizen looks nothing like any of Vergil's DT's.

>Implying vergil will stop being the biggest Jew
PFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

No, but I would like there to be one.

I mean sequels don't always need foreshadowing?
People tend to not be able to just be able to predict the next plot instantly years off.

why DMC game are so gay

Still better than KYSHRIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE plot device

was made for you

The same reason why Roxas doesn't look like Sora.

There's enough variety in the male and female characters to suit everyone's type

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AH fuck youu how dare u

is... that V

Sauce?

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I am seriously goddamn sick of this cheating fuck.

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>clear BP as Dante
>See the taunt
>Immediately think of the boomer memes when he did the taunt
Is it just me or did he low key dab on zoomers be they demon or otherwise

I see is trying to win back Phantom

Dante makes DMC.
It's dead to me

I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw V similar as fuck to Bayo.

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Can this game please stop with the fucking cheap ass off screen attacks, holy fuck man.

>Every female character has daddy issues
What did they mean by this?

So I watched Pat, and Woolie's play through. They kept mentioning a story or book that had back story to DMC5. Do any of you know what it's called or where to find it?

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Isn't it pretty common irl? Most of the dudes do too

>Wanted to make a "FUCK FURIES" post
>PC crashes before I could click on submit post
streamable.com/m9hga

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It's called Before the Nightmare
twitter.com/DMC5Info/status/1102674074453594112

>Nero was actually an immaculate conception spawned by Mundus powerautism

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Thank you

why do asians have such a fascination with armpits

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Nero needs to stop skipping neck day

because they're sexy, user
>t. asian

With Nero's spectral hands and double barreled gun like Bayo's from 1, I thought he'd be the one who'd get the Umbran or Lumen treatment.

How the fuck do I get Vergil to taunt back, goddammit he won't stop attacking.

ask him politely

I remember some mini story being in the original game's instruction book

Coombs wasn't even a good VA. I swear to god you people are like autistic sonicfags who claim his SA1/2 VA was his best one or something. It's pure nostalgia. That's all it is.

IIRC there has to be a small distance between you, 3 meters or so (also while he isn't in the middle of a move)

One of these CUHRAZY old nights
We're gonna find out, pretty momma
I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with LIGHT

The full Mundus calling, the fever is high
And the wicked wind whispers and moans
You've got your demons, you've got desires
Well I got a few of my own

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if anyones story is over it's nero, who has his life entirely figured out and thus absolutely nowhere to grow

seriously, come up with a plot for DMC6 focusing on nero that isn't just removing everything he gained by the end of 5

Are they gonna do something on 15th june

>V's laser cane is actually worse than the regular one because you can't jump cancel it, something which is actually made more effective by the self stagger the laser cane removes, and the damage buff itself is barely anything

I shouldn't have this boner

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Thumbnail makes it look like he's smoking.

but he is smoking
smoking sexy haha funny joke

Itsuno's been trying to phase Dante out since DMC4 and now he's finally got his wish. He brought an end to the "Sons of Sparda saga" since apparently that was a thing and Dante's getting pretty on in years.

Any Vfags have more pics of his back?

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Literally just kidnap Kyrie agaIn

I am exhausted to the point I feel like I'm gonna pass out
love u /dmc/ goodnight for 14 hours

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Lol. Itsuno's crazy if he thinks Nero can replace Dante. Dante is DMC, there is no DMC without Dante. Dante's been a video game icon for almost 20 years, Nero was a whiny faggot for one game and then 10 years later is now just alright.

rest well user

This

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You're right, but the way you phrase it still outs you as an underage faggot.

They changed it too latest so it's not the end just yet. I doubt they'll ever get rid of him that easily.

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I only have a couple of him clothed if that still counts

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Done Sorry it took so long, I had to leave for a while
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Nero confirmed for Egoraptor

What's with his face

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>looking for that spanish dmc tier list
>This is in my feed now
Thanks bros Google thinks I'm a spic now

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>come up with a plot for DMC6 focusing on nero that isn't just removing everything he gained by the end of 5

make him evil and antagonist of the next game

Are we gonna get any DLC?

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Not only that, but Nero cannot carry a game by himself in the gameplay depart, he's too shallow. And if they go to great lengths to make Nero a carbon copy of Dante gameplaywise why even bother removing Dante.

DT V is pretty

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But he didn't lose Kyrie in 5, only 4 :^)

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>make him evil and antagonist of the next game
>he becomes a reversal of Vergil but then at the end he's like jk jk I just did that shit for fun

Solid jaw but V is still a chinlet and it makes him less attractive

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Yes.

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>come up with a plot for DMC6 focusing on nero that isn't just removing everything he gained by the end of 5

Itsuno never wanted to get rid of Dante.

my nig, you're the best

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What if we just started getting with vergil as the MC while Dante just does his own thing and chill in the save for some cameos

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It's well known after DMC3 Itsuno and his team got "tired" of Dante which sparked them to create Nero but then realized deep in they weren't tired of Dante so now DMC has Dante and Dante 0.5

He's been setting up Nero as Dante's replacement for a while. One of his biggest complaints has always been that he doesn't know where to take Dante's character. That's why Nero became the new protagonist, because he's younger, dumber and has more room to grow.

*What if we got games where Vergil was the focus and MC this time around

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

>Vergil only soft appears for most of the story and is only truly around for the end cutscene of a mission, the start of the next one, two boss fights and the ending cutscenes

I'm not saying this was a massive issue or anything but I wish there had been a couple more missions in between M17 and M19 so he could have gotten more screentime a la DMC3, with some extra characterization (more stuff like the M18 monologue, which was great) and also for the purpose of building up the confrontation more. All is forgiven if we get a Hell DLC with the fucking boys though

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which touhou is this

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It's me :)

the motivated kind

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>One of his biggest complaints has always been that he doesn't know where to take Dante's character.
Because he deliberately puts him in the proverbial cuckshed

> That's why Nero became the new protagonist, because he's younger, dumber and has more room to grow.
couldn't be less true. he has a wife, a steady job, actual friends and now a full on family

dante still works as a self insert for an episodic story where dante just does stuff and he's not actually the focus of the story (which is how many characters that dante drew inspiration worked) because he has no real attachments. nero is weighed down by too many things and is boxed in as a character.

he's a shonen hero who's completed his arc. much like goku the only road left for him is to get even more power ups and fight even more villans who are somehow EVEN STRONGER than the last one.

Nero was made for bullying

They could have written more for Dante, the fact that they didn't even try basically forced them to write Dante into a corner in DMC4. Now DMC5 story wise is just power wankery because it turns out when you write someone to be so powerful there's only so much you can do with them.

Reminder that if V looks like a gay and acts like a gay, it means Vergil was always meant to be that way, he just represses it. And he has no reason to do so anymore

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Delet.

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it seemed less like gay and more like autism
very easy to mix up, though

Getting rug burned knees in an alleyway though....

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>the menu screen with vergil looking like that autistic kids who just shoots quick glances on the bus but Immediately stares at the floor afterwards while Nero is just autistically marveling at overture
That's cute

>implying he ever did repress it

Same problem as Dante, Vergil is now some uber powerful entity within the DMC universe, the fuck is he going to do?

What was your favorite DMC5 kino moment?

He is into dancing and twirling and his DT has a fat, plush girly butt.

Doing Mission 18 for the first time and hearing Flock Off

I thought I'd see the Id, Ego and Superego brought up more in relation to Urizen, Vergil and V as that's literally what their characters are but I rarely see people bring it up.
Am I actually a gigabrain chad for knowing such basic shit or is everyone just a brainlet?

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At this point you'd have to shit out new characters to play off them, else you get a symphogear situation where you rehash plotpoints like Nero's somehow trying to figure out his place in the world again even though he clearly got over his issues

Here's a pic of his back but it's fetish art.

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Of course he did. After all those years of being used like a demon play toy he went mental and full power autism.

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What development can they really give him at this point? He's a middle-aged guy with simple tastes and flaws, and by reuniting with Virgil, he is pretty much content now in theory. Unless he finally gets Lady to push him out a kid or two so Nero can have some cousins and Virgil become a badass uncle, he doesn't have a great deal left that can be done with him.

All developments I can see with him going forwards end badly. Shit like becoming some sort of demon seal for some threat and being written out or a heroic farewell. Nothing that wouldn't leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Nero's fuck you to his dad and the credit fight with Dante/Vergil

user you can't post this and not say what the source is

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I know. Funny how they wrote both Nero and Dante into a corner. Honestly I have the same problem with Bayonetta as far as story goes. But Bayonetta has the benefit of having the potential for time fuckery and having one solid character to build around.

Thanks for delivering user! His back is my fetish

someone didn't play dmc5

>spooky skeletons are v
deepest lore

How does a game manage to have such a trash soundtrack from the boss themes to the end of mission reports?

youtube.com/watch?v=Se3NHURe1I0

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But Nero has the timstop.

AS I STARE INTO THE EYE OF THE COMING

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>Tfw didn't initially never surrender but it grew on me
Man, that shit was kino

Bro, not only is Dante getting older (because they made the retarded decision that half demons age normally), he has two love interests (if you count Trish, icky as I will always find that), and with the 'salvation' of Virgil he even has his last demon put to rest, and even gets to see the new generation grow and move forwards as an uncle to Nero. Unless they de-age him or the next title is a prequel, all these jumps in time will catch up with him, and before long Dante and Virgil will be sparring with their swords transmuted into walkers/canes and taking breathers for their meds.

Dante was written into a box with 4, now all that's left for him is to get more ridiculous power ups to fight even more ridiculously powerful enemies.

Honestly the most I could see is DMC6 having some kind of time travel shit that somehow resets the universe to wear Dante and Vergil get "reset" in their timeline. Other than that it's "villain of the week" type shit games or just a completely new cast of characters.

Without Sparda's weird demon genes, if he was 100% human, Vergil would look like V. Likewise, if Eva was a demon, he would look like Urizen. V is the ultimately human side, full of soft curves and weak features, and Urizen is the ultimately demon side with a bunch of monster shit. At least that's how I understand it in my head.

Literally the only decent song and it's spammed non-stop. Dante's theme is an absolute trainwreck.

If Dante and Vergil stay in DT state they are ageless, but yeah it was pretty retarded to have half-demons age normally. Somehow they have super strength, super REGENERATIVE abilities, incredible endurance, but still age like a full human.

>What is Quicksilver

>and before long Dante and Virgil will be sparring with their swords transmuted into walkers/canes and taking breathers for their meds
Not gonna lie but I would like to see that, continuity ramifications be damned

>no leg tattoos
whyyyyy

I was never a fan of DMC4's soundtrack, I think Sworn through Swords is the only song I like from it. Lock and Load Black Angel mix has always been cancer to my ears since 2008.

It's weird because his naked model from the flashback has no leg tattoos but the fully clothed regular version does. Sometimes his thigh clips through the pants and you get a glimpse of them

DMC5 already severely weakened everyone user. Nero and Dante both go down from one punch from Urizen, Dante doesn't even get stabbed in the chest, and suckerpunches put both Dante and Nero down for the count. They're still just as physically agile and strong but their durability is nowhere near where it was.

how do i deal with the last phase of vergil in SoS?
(where he summons his shit illusion)

>Dante doesn't even get stabbed in the chest
He gets stabbed in the chest twice in cutscenes and infinite number of times from SDT.

Sworn Through Swords is one of the worst tracks in the game, though. Gtanted, Black Angel Mix is worse, but still.

I like how fucking speratic it is. Gives the "Oh SHIT Im fighting Dante!!!! XD" feeling that the team intended with his appearance.

Some guy hires DMC crew to stop cults all over the world. Turns out he was demon himself and was gathering data on them.

As Dante
>Shotgun, Kalina Anns, DT Stinger, Cerberus cheese
As Nero
>Charge Shot/Colour Up, Snatch into the air and combo to death

Urizen was merged with the tree and gaining power through blood. He was the most powerful thing Dante has fought at the time. But this is what every DMC game would be like, Dante just repeatedly fighting Urizens, getting another power up, rinse and repeat.

"You dare fasche me, a shon of Shparda?"

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Two times? Once himself with Rebellion, which I don't count because it's self-inflicted, but when was the other time?

Dante gets stabbed in the chest by a tentacle and just rips it out without breaking a sweat.

>Fast forward to boomer Nero saying: *sips* yep... that crazy sum'bitch is my dad."

A new story involving Dante should involve an issue that can't be solved by just killing a big demon through brute strength. Make it an actual investigation or search for the problem rather than a grandstanding frontrunner villain.
Funny enough, the anime actually did this, although of not always great quality.

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Charged shotgun with Dante
Charge shots or snatch him into the air with Nero

Trish always looked ugly

Mission 11 intro. Dante gets impaled by a Urizen tentacle and he doesn't even flinch, just rips that shit off

I resent that

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>Can there be a true DMC game without Dante?
No. They tried that with DmC and it didn't work.

By a tentacle at the end of mission 10

Im a brainlet idk what dt stinger or cerberus cheese means
the illusion?

Wrong.

I wish the dude that ripped the nude models from the game ripped V's but I think he said he wasn't planning on it

The Vergil Bossfight designer revealed it in the Capcom developer confessions.
>S rank
>Vergil has to not be attacking
>Be atleast 3 meters away from him, but not too far

>Nero needs to do some stuff on earth, save the day and whatever
>everyone knows that Dante and Vergil are eternally fighting each other across hell, fucking up everything in their path with neither of them ever beating the other
>at some point they burst out of the underworld and stop fighting because they don't want to kill humans
>their entire goal in the campaign is to get back into hell so they can keep fighting each other and destroying the place
Plz Capcom

>the illusion?
Yeah
>idk what dt stinger means
Nigga you serious?

DT Stinger is exactly what it's named, using Stinger while in DT.
Cerberus cheese is Ice Age spam or Electric spam

Nico looks like she fucks anything with four legs

no. no.

Revive the child of Mundus concept and have that be his rival for a game.

How/where can I find mods that change the battle music? I'd buy the DLC tracks separately if I could, but Capcom is retarded.

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Need some help guys, Urizen 3 is kicking my ass on DMD. Specifically his purple summoned swords, I try to dodge them with trickster but they always somehow manage to hit me since their hitboxes are so big and he shoots them in delayed intervals. I tried using rainstorm to get rid of them but its not always effective, in fact most times a few swords get missed and I get hit anyways.

no im not serious, i said i dont know what it is because i CLEARLY know what it is

>Cavaliere and Quad S
This is the fucking coolest game ever made, no one can tell me otherwise

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ok thanks i'll try

>Best boss
>Best theme
>Best weapon
Everything about Cavaliere is amazing.

RG

Just shoot them normally then

I reckon he's gonna go evil / corrupted at some point and Dante and Vergil will need to take him down
The games have pretty much established that nothing competes with Sparda's offspring anymore

>tfw too much of a brainlet for Quad S

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Shoot them user, they even recharge your DT gauge for free.

Cavaliere Angelo is a fantastic boss with one of the best boss tracks in the series but I was referring to the bike.
It shrugs off hits without hurting your style meter and it builds so much off of certain overtop gear combo enders that weaving in Sin DT hits with it on Quad S feels so goddamn satisfying. It's the fucking best.
Even with my shitty default controls I can weave in Quad S this way.

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Literally won't happen since Kyrie is his wife+tard Wrangler and Nico is his co-tardwrangler

What about balrog jump?

>trying to S rank all other difficuilities before starting DMD properly
>All that's left is Hell and Hell and Devil Hunter
>Mission 10 devil hunter, the Dante prolog
>Can't break 4.9k style score

I don't fucking get it, nothing LIVES long enough to build style score. I get to triple S I kill one or two things and get handed 3.5-4k style score for every fight.
Anyone else having an issue S ranking this or am I so shit I'm missing something obvious?

Toy around with your enemies more. Taunt and make a fool of them.
Or Dr Faust cheese for the no damage bonus

>V was surprised that Nobodies change masks
I guess Nelo Angelo never worked with a Nobody back in DMC1?

You basically have to style the shit out of enemies in the early rooms with Royal Guard. Mission 10 is fucking obnoxious and most people have trouble with that the most.
Or yeah what said with no-damage run.

is there a fix for the vertical camera sensitivity yet?

iirc, the files for Nobodies in DMC1 say that not even other demons like those fuckers.

Not even Mundus likes nobodies

Abuse Royal Guard and get to SS/SSS before killing anything. Dante's scoring system is beyond fucked. Also just stop getting hit and get the No Hit Bonus which is a x2.0 multiplier. Also S Ranking Hell and Hell is much harder than S Ranking DMD.

Mundus said they're a shit. Literally.

Kek

Nobodies only had two modes in DMC1, mask and no mask. And the mask they used is the default one they have on.

Huh I was right, I was being retarded and forgetting something, mainly RG is free style boosts and there is a no hit bonus...
and yeah I know HaH is much harder then DMD, it's just something I wanted to do in order for some retarded reason, so I'm sticking to it.
Whelp, thank you all for pointing out how stupid I was, time to get back into style.

anyone know how to remove Denuvo from the game? my performance has taken a serious hit for no reason these past few weeks

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They should have added Frosts and Fetishes instead of the stupid goat casting enemies. The base ones are fucking harmless on any difficulty and the lighting fuckers are a pain in the cunt.

I was actually thinking of that this morning. Its almost too basic of an idea to mention though.

>first 3 missions playing as deadweight
>then 10 as dante and 10 as vergil

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I said best weapon I agreed with what you meant. Cavaliere just feels amazing to use. One of my favorite crowd control focused weapons ever.

Are the guns stronger in DMC5 than in the previous two games because it feels that way to me. I mean, it's obviously stronger than it was in DmC, but my farts are stronger than the pistols in that game.

Couldn't they grow bigger when they changed masks or was that just a variation like with the Sin Scissors and Sin Scythes?

It's just that the way a lot of people talk about Vergil and his halves make me think that the concept is completely foreign to them.
It pretty much entirely explains why their personalities manifested they way they did and why Vergil acts the way he does when he reforms.

Mundus did a a shit job keeping his domain clean because I remember those guys jumping at me near the throne room.

They grew bigger once they put the mask on. They default have no mask.

My timing on RG is terrible.

I'll try shooting them normally. I'm gonna feel like a retard for not trying something so simple

>Hell Caina
>Hell Antenora
>Hell Judecca
>no Hell Ptomolea
>>>>my fucking autism when

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I think the biggest flaw is that neither Vergil nor V truly fit the idea of a superego. You might say V since he has a stronger sense of morality yet in the end he acts out of selfishness and ego as well so it sort of falls apart.

Also the actual details of Freudian psychoanalytic theory isn't as widely known as you may think. If you paid attention in college it probably popped up somewhere but its not exactly common knowledge unless you're already interested in that stuff.

Are controllers even designed to have one shoulder being held down for situations like playing Nero effectively.

Vergil is the most beautiful person I've seen. I love him!

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Is it just me or does DMC4 Dante look like tomorrow cruise? He reminds me of that on character from RE outbreak that looked like Him too

*Tom cruise

But how many Vergils can you love at once?

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Dante is no longer the main character, but in a way that's good for him. He's won, he escaped his fate, and now he gets to spend the rest of his life doing whatever the hell he pleases, which right now is dicking about in hell and killing demons with his brother.

When he comes back it will be because he wants to come back for a reason, whether it be to help Nero out, visit Lady, or maybe just to pick up a CD he forgot at DMC. Honestly, I'd be satisfied if in every future DMC game we got a single guest mission where Dante and Vergil intersect with the plot, do something funny or absurdly game-breaking to dick with the boss at the time, and then fuck off back to whatever their current preoccupation is. Like, I dunno, the the current bad guy sends assassins to DMC because he thinks Lady is there, and when they break in Dante's currently there on the shitter while Vergil is going through all his booze and criticizing his shit taste. They team up and tear the assassins a new asshole and throw them out, then go back to whatever they were doing until the final battle, where they show up to give Nero a hand with the big bad.

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V (superego) subduing Urizen (id) to form the "self" is a pretty quintessential example of the theory's basic principles is it not? Not exactly a deep exploration of it but one nonetheless.

On it not being as widely known as I think, you're most likely right. I'm a brainlet that didn't go to college, I just get autistically caught up in wiki surfing and going down unrelated rabbit holes.

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... but that Portuguese, not Spanish

My love is big enough to love all Vergils!

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If you mostly stuck to one style in DMC 3, which was it? If you were diverse in your style selection, which was your favorite, if any?

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>Caina is a scythe dude with slow attacks. He's also shy
>Antenora ia a double cleavers brute that doesn't like falling on his ass
>Juddeca likes teleporting, summonig other Hells and has stretchy arm blades
What would Hell Ptolomea be? Obviously it has to be tougher than Antenora, but weaker than Juddeca.

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On first playthrough I was a complete Swordmaster combo autist from almost beginning to end. Air comboing was too addictive for me to give it up, even if Royalguard was also quite good.

I stuck with Trickster most of the time for mobility, but I was also a massive gunfag from DMC1 so I used Gunslinger for almost every boss.

I'm one of the biggest Nerofags around and I can't imagine a DMC game without Dante being playable. It wouldn't feel right.

I don't know man, it just triggers my autism to leave one out.
Maybe make it some kind of phantom that takes the form of basic version of other playable characters or even the current one, like the Plasma from DMC1. Have some deep lore about it having that power to lure in "guests" and betray them to tie in to the Divine Comedy or something.

Swordmaster was almost always my choice, but in Very Hard and DMD the only way i could beat Vergil 3 is by perfecting the parries with Royal Guard.
Good times, eager to do it again in DMC5.

do you still want it?

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fuck no, portuguese would be "Diretor de DMC 5 insinua um novo projeto"
t. hue

From the thumbnail I thought this was ahegao Trish.

I did Royalgaurd for my first playthrough, everything afterwards was styleswitcher.
Personal favorite is gunslinger if I had to pick one.
I like gun stinger, acid rain, and wild stomp too much.

>Breeze through BP with Nero
>Style on Urizen with no damage
>Cavaliere was the one who almost did me in
>Play Dante
>Get killed by Cavaleire in a slight of overconfidence
Well there goes my mojo, time to try again tomorrow. Anyone got the Judgment Cut End version of Vergil ishygddt?

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There's only one way this series can go now.

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>Forma del Seething

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I mostly stuck to Royal Guard, but not by choice. I used dice to determine which style to use before each mission, and I kept rolling Royal Guard for most missions. Never even got to try out Doppleganger and Quicksilver. RG remains my least favourite style and I pretty much don't use it in 5.

Wholesome Sparda offspring adventures.

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..riiiight!! nvm, I need to sleep!!

vlw!

>redoing nero bp
>notice the empusa's being pulled into the black hole
Fucking scary
Whats scarier are the faces on floors 81-97

>>Art W"a"rks gets a canon explanation
>>Ne"l"o Angelo doesn't
>really revs my Red Queen

What's art warks?

>DMC6
>dante gets a new weapon
>is a wheelchair

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Once you stagger cavaliere once and she teleports away you can literally combo her to death
>ground trick to her
>kalina ann mega cascade
>quadruple S to cancel cooldown, teleport and sin stinger
>she teleports away
>repeat

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Even for Nightmarefuel-kun?

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It'll be a baseball and bat.

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Yeah, I just got overly confident with Cavaliere Air combo to try and parry-stagger him to death. I would have killed him since we were both low on health but I mistimed a dodge due to that motherfucker's stagger.

Even for Faceless-kun?

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Wish there was a way to practice this fight on Nero, I've only beaten her once.

I like the way she draws chibi vergil and nero, its adorable

their story isn't over until we get a game where Dante fucks Vergil

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>>Art W"a"rks gets a canon explanation
>>Ne"l"o Angelo doesn't
>really revs my Red Queen
What the fucks art warks?

You can practice the floors you've reached in BP.

Isn't that every game ;)

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Fun fact, Dante and Vergil are always hard after fighting each other and neither can orgasm until the beat the other (in combat). So they actually have.

vergil is such a cool weeb

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user do you not know how to use google
devilmaycry.fandom.com/wiki/Nell_Goldstein

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I can't decide who I like more - CaneSDT-kun or Faceless-kun. They're both too damn cool.

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Did Nell put her portrait on E&I because she wanted her likeness to forever glisten with the smelly wetness of a buff demon man's palm sweat?

Vergil's ass is not for fucking you homos

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Just finished the game for the first time.
Maybe i'm just in fanboy mode right now, but dear god this was some next level kino, finally playing this as a long time DMC fan is a experience like no other, it really felt like the pay off to a decade long wait.
Anyway, i'm going to be pretty mad if they make us wait years to buy basically the same game but with 3 new characters and some new modes that could have been easily added as DLC.
Come on Capcom let me play as Vergil again before i turn 30.

Have people found anything interesting while datamining the game?

Moondust and those demons that ravaged his ass as a teenager sure liked to use it though.

Is his dick for homos?

Yes, Vergil is 90% playable in the game as it is. And you can even play with him. Obviously he should be getting some dlc.

Tell that to moondust

Exploring Hell. Meeting the Weaponsmith Machiavelli. Getting a new devil arm for Trish. Learning what exactly happened to Sparda. Rebuilding efforts towards Fortuna.

Just as the shards of Yamato were causing trouble by cutting open random rifts, the shattered Rebellion blade pieces that were scattered from the top of the Qliphoth could be the spark for the next big incident.

It's for the vfags to suck on.

>And you can even play with him.
Any videos?

I gave up on getting an S Rank for mission 10 HaH fair and square and resorted to just Dr Faust the fuck out of everything for the no damage bonus

T R I S H

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>Dante
>Dante
>We need to ta-...

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>Can there be a true DMC game without Dante?
No, he's the main character. Dante can pass the torch a hundred times but I won't accept Nero as the new face of the franchise.

Actual unironic homo that finally managed to rip his model from the game for his homolust, disagrees.

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no wonder most DMC fans are gay homos

What was that new job Morrison was talking about? Setting up a future DLC?

He's talking about the blowjob, trish owes him.

>They bothered to add pubic hair
Itsuno the madman

that's Vergil's ass? wtf i'm gay now

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based retard

Update, I fucking did it at last, I did NOT know the RG timings on any of the Empusas or Hell cantinas but I got there eventually by getting to SS with RG before I started laying into everything, there are two hours of my life I'm not getting back. Mission 10 can go eat a bag of dicks.

Are there pics of the other guys?

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How fucked would the canon be if Urizen was actually beaten in the prologue.

Yes.

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All of them. Vergil will always be my favorite Vergil though.

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>to rip his model from the game
Someone doesn't know how SFM stuff works kek

How often do you use the phrase "wtf I'm gay now"

i'm legitimately curious, because I just assume people who use that phrase have generally been gay for about a billion years

Did Vergil really deserve redemption? I mean, it's kinda hard to forget that Vergil is ultimately responsible for more damage and death in the franchise than literally every other villain combined. I mean all Mundus did was put a castle on an island and then put a biplane AND a pirate shit in that castle, all for literally no reason because what even fucking is that? Sure he terrorized humanity two thousand years ago and also killed Dante's mom, but all that shit happens offscreen and we can't even properly quantify all the damage he did anyway. Then there's Arius from DMC2, who blew up an old lady's house and also blew up a couple city blocks. Honestly, I don't really know what exactly Arius did. Yeah, Vie du Marli and the neighbouring city were strangely empty, but we don't actually know why. They seem oddly intact if demons went around slaughtering everyone. Sanctus's actions resulted in the deaths of perhaps a couple hundred or even thousand people, depending on how widespread the damage was.

In DMC3 alone, Vergil rose a fucking colossal-ass tower out of the ground that easily destroyed tends of city blocks and the survivors that would have been anywhere near that tower were also slaughtered by demons. So that's definitely a couple thousand of people dead right there. And then as Urizen, he pretty much more or less did the exact same thing via the Qliphoth. In all five Devil May Cry games, no other villain comes close to what he'd done.

Nostalgiafags BTFO

1 Vergil? 3 Vergil? 4 Vergil? 5 Vergil?

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yes their twitter is full of good shit

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Very good shit indeed!

twitter.com/Mo0nXArt/status/1108679378496643072

Vergil has more bush

i think the phrase in particular is a meme, but i wouldnt be surprised if dmc makes anyone gay especially with how good looking they made all the guys in 5

How did Dante know which way to go to find Vergil after he fucked off with his portal?

5=3>1>4

But why is he sweaty?

yeah, what if?...

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Thanks, can you link his twitter? The link on his patreon doesn't work

thanks
that was the most cursed shit i have ever seen

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>Mundus
He destroyed the area where eva lived a well, there's a newspaper article in the game that mentioned the death of citizens.

Didn't see that, whoops

>caring about NPCs
their lives were lucky to be touched by the real characters

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They won't even make a game with fucking dante as the protagonist

>unga always looked confused in every picture

>Tfw I read this post in Vergil's voice
He unironically would say this word for word

What if they gave Nero all of dantes styles

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I unironically like the fact that may have happened to him. Not for the lewd, no. I mean in relation to Nero's mother. She was a prostitute and if Vergil was "humiliated" that way she could relate to him and break those walls he puts up around himself. As someone who had to sell their body just to survive on the poor streets of Fortuna, and was likely treated like shit for it, understands doing what has to be done to survive. The other bonus is the build up. Nero finally gets the nerve to ask about his mom and Vergil passes it off like it was nothing to him. A one night stand with a prostitute and nothing more and it sends Nero fuming for answers. In reality, Vergil can't bring himself to reveal the details because it digs too deep into his trauma.
I mean, just think about this scene. Two cloaked individuals. Invisible to their respective worlds but scorned by them too many times. It's not a romantic coming together. The point was being allowed to choose it for themselves. She was a voice that understood pain. And even if the conclusion for Vergil was to seek more power to never be degraded again she helped show him that path. Maybe it's because he never wanted to feel trapped like she did. Maybe he thought if he gain true power he could save her and he lacked the power to save anyone, including himself with Mundus still about. Whatever the case, it's fitting.

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Here's a gift for your good taste.

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>TRICKS-GERBE-SWOOOOOORD

you'd be too if you were on the receiving end of Donte

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She wasn't a prostitute.

I'll never understand people who try to justify their argument with
>"But the NPC's who are absolutely irrelevant and have zero impact on the story!"
It doesn't make any sense. You act as if there's any emotional connection for people to blast Vergil for the deaths of essentially lifeless people.

Next game is based around full campaign coop as dante and virgil. Would buy.

Dmc6
>has 3 protege
>it's nero,lucia, and a milf patty since you know dante gave her the d for her 18th b-day

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kino headcanon, user

Gentlemen I have an announcement to make..
NOW YOU'VE REALLY CROSSED THE LINE

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>How fortunate to serve such divine purpose!

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says in the novel she was

It doesn't matter if their deaths have no meaning to us. The fact of the matter is that Vergil killed a lot of people in the pursuit of his desires. You can't say that Vergil is a good man just because the NPCs are irrelevant to you. If you had to place him in the category of good or evil, you would have to categorize him as "evil".

Divine Hate was such a shitty song.

Yeah...... what if?

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No? Reread it, niggah. Local brats called his mom a whore, but only because no one knows who she was.

How about we stop using "good" and "evil" as metrics? He's morally gray at best.

>since you know dante gave her the d for her 18th b-day
More like she tracked him down and extracted that Sparda Sperm by force

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>Vergil rose a fucking colossal-ass tower out of the ground that easily destroyed tends of city blocks and the survivors that would have been anywhere near that tower were also slaughtered by demons.
Actually this all happened offscreen and we can't properly quantify all the damage he did, the city might have been abandoned or all the people might have been evacuated or Vergil might have used Yamato to create a portal for them to escape.
>And then as Urizen, he pretty much more or less did the exact same thing via the Qliphoth.
That's like if you let a black man put his penis in you and he uses it to control you like a puppet and commit crimes. You didn't commit those crimes, the black man did because his people commit 53% of crime in the US.

lel for a second I thought you were saying vergil was prostituted by demons

Vergil doesn't get redeemed in DMC5, but he starts his atonement which can lead into redemption.

Dan kind of eluded that she was. Originally in that scene where Vergil says "that was a long time ago" they wanted him to say something like "well I had fun once" because they told him it was just a one night stand, aka prostitute. Dan didn't like it because it was super out of character, so he complained until they agreed to change the line. Dan hopes she's really important to her because that was his mind set when doing the line. Not romantic, per say, that she was a significant person to him because "Vergil wouldn't waste his time with anyone he didn't find significant".

How is he "morally grey" when he sacrificed tens of thousands of people for purely selfish goals? He'd be "grey" if his actions somehow resulted in some sort of positives for anyone other than himself, but they don't. Vergil is consistently a cancer on the world. His existence has only caused pain, suffering and death for lives in his immediate vicinity.

Okay, I'm gonna say it. It's a video game. A fiction.

This.

You can have one night stands with women who aren't prostitutes, mate.

That Urizen analogy had to be some of the dumbest shit I've read all week

Please don't make your headcanon sound like facts until there are any official confirmations on this matter.

Why do I have a feeling Reuben unironically visits /x/? I can't seem to shake this feeling off

Reuben unironically follows Qanon

So we're not allowed to discuss the in-universe ramifications of a character's actions because it's "fiction". Got it. All discussions concerning fiction are meaningless and there's no point in talking about anything.

He's grey because his reason for doing those things stem from his broken life. You don't have to do something positive for people to be grey, that's literally the point of being grey.
Without the circumstances that caused his life to turn out that way, he wouldn't have ended up the way he does. He's not black (pure intrinsic evil) or white (pure intrinsic good). He has the capacity for both.

>having a fun means one night stand
>one night stand meas a girl is a whore
Wew lad

I'm telling you that they suggested it was when he got the line. Her character really isn't fleshed out.

>getting this upset

The discussion is over because already debunked you

Ooooooh boy

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The Qiphoth rises every thousand years regardless. It's not like Vergil was the cause of it springing out of Hell. Secondly, you can't even blame him for the Urizen thing when his other half "V" was actively trying to stop him. As for what he did in DMC3, how do we know the town wasn't evacuated?

Tell Dan that because that's what he capcom was doing until he told them not to.

Nigger there are bloodstains all over the strip joint.

You have been literally saying the same thing for the past month dude. No one cares, people like vergil because he's an ass and all they care about is if he got back with dante, which he did.

>politely telling you that you have no actual facts to support your headcanon
>ur mad bro
I'm not sure if you're retarded or just delusional, but whatever.

>the only person he could have a one night stand with is a prostitute.

user, you know you don't always have to pay for sex. Right?

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What is Dante's son gonna look like?

>The Qiphoth rises every thousand years regardless. It's not like Vergil was the cause of it springing out of Hell.
Read the in-game library instead of getting your info from Vergilfags who conveniently leave shit out.
The Quliphoth hadn't grown in over 2000 years because Sparda sealed the demon world. The ONLY reason it got to the human world was because Urizen used Yamato to bring it in.

Why are you guys sperging about whether she was a prostitute or a slut again? Does it really matter?

user I just want to let you know I agree with you.
But PLEASE do not start this debate about the Qliphoth, V and Urizen again. If I see that autism master say "super ego" one more time I'm going to judgment cut end both of your lives

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The truth matters.

>it was a trashy strip joint and customers would get violent
>they were having a BBQ and spilled sauce before evacuating
>demons fought each other and blood got on the walls
>Vergil/Arkham had to fight an unruly demon or two in the strip joint before Dante got there
>Dante got the blood stains on the walls while fighting demons
Pick one, any of these explanations work

Dan never said anything about her being a whore. He just didn't think Vergil would have a one night stand.

What a convenient world you live in.

What's wrong with bringing up the superego and stuff? It directly relates to Vergil and his halves and they're literally caricatures of the concept.

Nothing, because he's getting a cute tomboy daughter.

>Rian Johnson fucked up the trilogy so hard they have to resort to bringing back Palpatine to actually have an antagonist because Kylo is obviously going to turn
God, imagine getting access to one of the most beloved cinematic icons of all time and fucking it up as hard as modern Disney has. Literally fucking soulless, zero shame either.

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>neros mom
>v and urizen
>dindu nuffin
Vergilfags have autism.

The biggest development of Dante happens in DMC5.
>"I've always wondered why my father gave me Rebellion"
I too am curious
>"This is the most I've had to use my brain in a long time"
In a linear "puzzle". I couldn't help but laugh and then I understood when he #1 Watched Urizen bite the apple and did nothing until Urizen is bringing the apple to his mouth and #2 Watches V(ergil) fuse with Urizen and doesn't do anything until after the fusion starts

Vergil with Dante bones looks way slimmer than usual.

SLAY ALL

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>Vergil might have used Yamato to create a portal for them to escape.
Kek

>Swordmaster uses Bringers for punching like gauntlets, maybe even use his claws like in his new DT and the ghost Yamato
>Gunslinger makes him summon blades without Blue Rose and you have different formations
>Trickster uses his wings to boost movement, instead of DMC2-3 wall run he can claw certain surfaces idk why, I'm writing without thinking it's late
>Royalguard is evolving his ability to phase his arm: now his entire body can go through attacks, but it requires a lot of focus so you have to time it correctly. The best timing damages the enemies you phase through

Nero's jaw is all fucked up

I used to prefer Dante, back when he was whacky woohoo guy but who hated demons and was generally a character with some level of dignity, but he really feels off in DMC5. I want to say like that middle aged guy who hangs around teenagers, but since he generally tells the others to GTFO, it doesn't really fit.

Virgil at least still feels like there is a dignity to him, despite being weeb bait with yamato and his Devil Trigger.

>almost quadrupled Patty
You were so close, user.

I really don't get it user.

To be fair, it's been a really long time since he actually had to bother figuring anything out. In DMC4, all the puzzles were solved by Nero before he arrived. I mean, he did go through the Order's library to find out what they were up to, but that's just base reading. It's not problem-solving. Demons and would-be villains have gotten dumber since Mallet Island. Even Arius put more effort into his puzzles, albeit slightly.

So, when Dante eventually gets a child, who do you think'll be the mother?
Lady? Patty? Lucia? Some "lady in red" he meets?

I hate that they had Dante get old(er). It doesn't feel right him being middle-aged (at best).

>Spear of Cassius
Enjoy never being able to unsee/forget.

Why the fuck is there so much Donte/Nero anyway?

any news on the artbook? was looking forward to character height/weight/etc

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Please stop embarrassing the rest of the vergilfags, reddit.

Come out at the end of this month

cool, thanks

He'll never exist.

picture related

Shut the fuck up about this shit. They aren't going to do nero 2.0.

Do fujos even play the game? they did that in the easiest mode and never even bothered to touch the game since then

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The reason Dante's so unhappy in DMC5 is because he's the only one who actually understands just how shit the situation is. Look at what he has to deal with:

>His brother's back from the dead and is basically the reason for a whole lot of people dying.
>He's probably going to have to kill his brother at the end of this. Again.
>His brother's son has a vendetta and the second-to-last fucking thing Dante ever wants is to let Nero commit patricide.
>The ACTUAL last thing he wants is for Vergil to commit filicide.

So that's what Dante's dealing with. It's a race against to clock so that he can get to his brother and kill him before his brother's son does. He can't win in this scenario. Either he kills Vergil, or Nero kills Vergil or Vergil kills Nero. He doesn't WANT to kill Vergil, but he knows Vergil won't give him Yamato unless he pries it from his cold, dead fingers, and he NEEDS Yamato to end this shit. As far as Dante was concerned, he had the worst job in the world this time.

this
the reason why Dante is so fucking happy at the end of DMC5 when he's in hell with Vergil is because no killed anyone else and things worked out between Vergil and Dante
lots of normalfags still died but fuck em

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that's actually a really good explanation user

They are both young and nero helps distract from dontes ugliness

Verginte is just not motivated enough.

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>Laughs in King Cerberus

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Was dante and vergil actually going to go through with killing each other? They seem to let it go pretty easily.

Yes, it is

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Why do you care about annoying women, user? Fags actually enjoy the game. At least, I do.

I understood the hell scene as "now that we are not around deadweight dante I'm-" *bang bang bang bang* when demons move in to try and exploit the fight (still no king) they kill them and continue fighting stoping only to bant. Virgil's intentions have not changed and Dante is trying to seal the deal as he won't be made a fool of again.

ADDITIONALLY, one of the reasons Dante wanted Nero away was because he believed that Vergil knew about his relationship with Nero. Dante assumed that Vergil knew that Nero was his son, and in spite of having that information, still chose to cut off his son's arm and grow a gigantic demon tree in the middle of the city. And he believes that Urizen nearly killed Nero twice while knowing all that. So Dante think that Vergil doesn't give a shit about Nero and wouldn't hesitate to kill him. This is why Dante was so overly protective of Nero and kept trying to keep him from getting involved.

Because holy fucking shit Dante realized it from the MOMENT HE MET NERO. How fucking RETARDED was Vergil to not realize who Nero was? Even fucking TRISH realized, and Trish barely even fucking knew Vergil.

Vergil was forcing Dante's hand. Dante needed Rebellion but Vergil wasn't going to give it up. Dante knew Vergil wouldn't give it up. He had to fight to kill in order to win because this was the only way to save the world.

Need a closeup of that.

Can someone give me that absurdly high resolution Vergil Yamato pic? Looks like a mobile wallpaper.

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K

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This one?

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Spectacular
Thanks dude

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>tfw her ab-tits will never lactate while you beat the shit out of her

Vfags don't lol.

Their final charge seemed like a mutual "let's finish this once and for all" for me, as if they accepted one or both of them would die in that clash.

The line doesn't 100% point to "it was a whore", though.

You say that like dante won when he hasn't yet and Vergil had the upperhand when Nero, the one who actually wants no one to die, stops them.

Huh. I was actually talking more about how each carries themselves as visibly middle-aged men (Dante with a cowbow hat, being a slob, and having gimmicks like the bike compared to Virgil who sits atop the tree, talks and acts more like an aristocrat/a demon lord, ect.) but that's a nice way of summing up why Dante tries to go it with just Trish and Lady.

most vfags here do play of course, but probably not most of his fans on twitter/pixiv/etc don't shit up the thread with this again bro we've had it the last 5 threads

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A shame the wrapping looks like skin because of the low res text- It's... it's not low res is it? It's probably...?

Have another cause why not

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So why not pair Donte with someone like V then?

So... Do you think it was stimulating Lady the whole time she was inside of it?
She was covered in a sticky goo, after all.

I came. We need more Artemis porn.

Dante was not protecting Nero so much as he was saying "damnit nero he is your father but he is also my brother and this is and has always been my fight" he didn't want nero knowing because he knew Nero was a Mary Sue at heart and couldn't afford unknown factors or perhaps he even thought nero wouldn't be able to will himself to kill dad. The latter is kinda supported by the fact Nero states he will use non lethal force to subdue vergil which is laughable at best. Vergil only concedes to pull Dante and himself away from Nero so they could continue fighting. Dante concedes to Nero perhaps for the same reason knowing Vergil will never change.

Dante was protecting Nero. He even says "Leave Nero out of this, this is my gig" to V. He's clearly concerned that Nero's being brought into this mess when he wants him away from it.

Source?

Your theory is flawed because you state Dante wants a no-death win when Nero literally claims he will achieve a no death victory.

reminder that literally the entire story of this game is saved from the junkheap by a 40 second phone call they probably tossed in at the last minute

Nero was the only one who could achieve a no-death victory. If it were against Dante, Vergil wouldn't stop until either he was dead or at least unconscious. Vergil would only actually concede defeat without a truly decisive finish to Nero. Never to Dante.

Nero's fun to bully

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It's his foreskin

imagine being mundus and getting to fill that ass up

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so are the DMC guys cut or uncut?

considering Nero can regenerate his arm, if he was cut his skin probably regenerated along with his arm
right?

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But why is nero always watching them?

Because if anyone will die it will be nero, vergil or both. He is willing to spend all eternity fighting vergil so at the very least Nero won't die but it could also be because Dante views himself and Vergil as a curse to Earth and with Vergil removing the demon from Nero (albeit not entirely) Dante concludes an eternal fight with a seal behind them as a safety net, that this is the best solution.

>Forma del Seething

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I wanna fuck his pouty lips jesus

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you can tell he gives real good head

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Dante's uncut, rest are

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Vergil is literally the one who proposes if he defeats Nero by proxy he also defeats Dante which we both know is bullshit. Vergil should have friggin winked at dante and dante could've gave vergil a thumbs up that's how heavily its implied the brothers want deadweight to be a non-factor in their fight

I just wanna kiss his lips.

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Why would they circumcise one twin and not the other?

Vergil's lips are for smooching not for giving the succ

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we should be all like Griffon, goodspeed little chicky

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Why not both?

>Come see what I've been missing since DMC threads turned to shit
Well bye again

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That's too lewd though.

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It's extremely similar to DBZ and the Frieza fight where Goku even gives Frieza the choice to live and Frieza chooses to try and kill Goku anyway. Vergil is the same way which is the only motive I can justify Vergil suggesting he'd be satisfied with a by proxy victory against Dante

>identical twins cosplaying as Dante and Vergil
Nice

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Their outfits look really well done .

You fucking fags are letting an user convince people people of a theory that breaks Vergils character to the very core. I would at best expect you to defend Vergil as a character but I'm lying to myself. Make your own fucking threads and quit riding coattails

Holy moly that's a lot of makeup. I mean is it necessary? I'm starting to feel slick just looking at that. I mean they could put slip and slide out of business. That's enough makeup that whoever they bought from could probably close their doors with the profit made. All I'm saying is if I were like, a prospector in the early 1900s and I came across these two I'd be a millionaire off the oil alone. I'm seeing reports online that these two made Saudi Arabia jealous. Oil barons are sending out mass emails right now to make claims on these two. Hell I feel another Bush-era war coming on. We might even experience another economic recession in the aftermath. These cosplayers oughta be wearing signs to let people know not to light a match within 20 yards of them.

Vergil has juicy DSLs, it's really not that deep bro

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What are you even talking about. We're just appreciating his lips.

It's because not a lot of women can pull off male drag.

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If Vergil didn't want anything with Nero he would have told him to fuck off before expressing any interest. He's not the type to propose a duel if he has no objective or reason.

>mfw DMC3 die hards didn't get a single dante game since 2005
get cucked faggots

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Uh, I defeated Urizen for the 3rd try in Human prologue mission but why didn't DMD unlcoked? Fucking hell
don't wanna go through SoS

You gotta do it on SoS

Well, fuck.
wish me good luck

>played on PS4 at launch due to being stuck in bed with the flu
>never got a single stylish in weeks
>buy PC version and do a quick DH run to unlock stuff
>get 8 stylish
Thanks PCbros

Good luck If you can't do it, you're not ready for DMD anyway.

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Godspeed user

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At his core, Vergil's motivation for gaining power are to be (and surpass) his father. The temin ni gru probably got a lot of people killed, however, if things had gone according to Vergil's plan and he had one and obtained the Sparda, countless more lives would have been saved in the future. He's very much an "ends justify the means" kind of guy.

The events of 5, I don't believe you can really blame him for. He was tortured to the point of losing all of his identity, apart from his lust for power, for a decade as Nelo Angelo. Then he assumedly wandered around as a fucked up aids demon who was severely deteriorating physically and mentally, from the end of 1 up until the start of 5. Even in this state of mind, caused by decades of unimaginable torture, his decision to split himself in two was done purely to rid his demonic side of Mundus aids and make it strong enough to kick Dante's shit in. It was never his intent at any point to summon the Qliphoph, that was all Urizen.

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You can totally blame him for it, though. Like let's say your family member was a victim of the Qliphoth. If you blamed him for what went down, at best the only thing he could do is apologize. After all, what happened was a direct result of his own negligence. Anyone would blame him for what happened, and they'd have every right to.

Sure. But you're not understanding what I'm saying. Decisions made after decades constant of severe emotional and physical torture that have unintended bad side-effects are vastly different from deliberately made evil decisions made by someone who is sound of mind.

So he split himself purely for childish reasons (defeating Dante) and caused the deaths of many while doing it because he's only ever focused on one thing and never concerned about the casualties his actions cause. He's totally to blame for all the shit he brings about. Also your idea of Vergil's motivation for gaining power being to surpass Sparda contradicts his reason for splitting and gaining power in DMC5. He does all of that because he wants to beat Dante, nothing more.

He split himself because he was going to fucking die if he didn't and it was the only way he thought could cure him.

Maybe, but, well. Isn't that all his own fault too? See, it's hard to feel sympathy for the guy when most of his misfortune is his own doing. The only part that WASN'T his fault was the initial start of darkness in which his mother was killed by Mundus and he was left alone. But having a tragic past does not absolve you of responsibility.

His will is weak, this is shown when he begs Trish for a solution and his indecisiveness of killing Dante (his actual intentions) as V. He only regains his composure when he is fused and even then he contemplates if what has happened because of the tree is worth his pursuit of of power to defeat dante

Yes and ultimately his reason for splitting so he didnt die was so he could fight Dante again, as he says himself. As V says it to trish "That man had a job that must be done: To defeat his twin brother."

I'm fairly certain his obsession with fighting Dante in that state comes from being mindfucked as Nelo, and the only remnant of his psyche left is the desire to defeat Dante from DMC1. But that's getting more into headcanon territory.

Regardless, he was clearly not in a clear state of mind when he did it. This doesn't make him some pure saint that did nothing wrong, but it provides some more context as to why he shouldn't be put into a complete moral absolute.

>Temporary insanity

Don't worry user, I did it on SoS by accident after doing it on DH. And I'm a pleb at DMC.

We should make a thread where we put Vergil on trial to see if we can come to a verdict as to whether he goes free, gets locked up for execution or sent to an asylum cause his autism is a danger to humanity.

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The reason is dumb, but what you still continue to misunderstand is the state of his mind when he made that decision. The torture he went through is legitimately inhuman.

The idea behind him wanting to beat Dante is very much linked to wanting to be daddy. They both want to be daddy, but they have fundamentally different ideas on how to go about it. Ideas that conflict so drastically that they believe the only way to find out who is right is through killing the other, V(ergil) explains this as Dante is killing Urizen.

It is his fault. He's sympathetic because his biggest downfalls have spawned through circumstances that were out of his control. Primarily the death of his mother and having to fight to survive, completely alone from that moment onward.

He wasn't trying to kill Dante with the Sparda. Ironically, he was doing exactly what he said, he was trying to wake him up. Dante already knew V was Vergil's human half (he knows this the entire game), that's why he doesn't find it weird that some mysterious dude was about to impale him as he woke up. Trish convinces him that he would be a pussy if he just faded away and died instead of facing what he had done. He never had the intention of reforming with Urizen until that talk with Trish.

If we were to go by regular judicial practices, I'd put him on a very long and very strict community service regiment.
His decisions and actions were not entirely made with a sound mind but they were made regardless and he must atone for that.

>20+ years
>Temporary.

But he was wrong in thinking he wouldn't die if he split. He still had the aids and begs trish for a solution. The split was a gamble with retarded odds that only paid off because his brother is retarded and Trish is retarded. Dante watched him moonwalk to urizen then Vergil goes full retard by mocking dante BEFORE he fused.

personally i think theyre pushing nero as the new main guy and i think we all know DMC without dante is not DMC, because at this point in time no one can beat dante or vergil. Nero beating a weakened Vergil basically adds to nothing. it wouldve been better if they rebooted the DMC series and slate dante and vergil's power rather scaling them so high so soon. DmC may have been trash is terms of story and basically wrecks vergil as a character but at least NT didnt make them too OP

>Dante knows V is Vergil
>Dante knows Urizen is Vergil
STILL lets them close to each other

That's the reason why, to be honest. If V was some random dude there's no chance he would let him finish off his brother. He'd also be a lot more privy to expecting some evil shit was about to happen, considering the mysterious dude is able to control demons.

It's Dante giving his brother a chance to redeem himself before he dies. "Let me finish this, with my own hands". That's one of the reasons he gets so asshurt at Vergil when he reforms.

Well, he really had no reason to even think that they could somehow merge back together. Pretty much no one but V knew this was even possible cause even Trish is surprised

There is no way you can prove Dante knew V was Vergil. In fact dante's actions (running to stop V from fusing) support the fact dante was oblivious. Vergil tells him before the fusion mocking his ignorance. Dante knew Urizen was vergil because of his lust for power at any cost. And vergil thinks eva chose dante over him which dante tries explaining (to urizen) wasn't the case

He was oblivious to the fact that V could merge with Urizen, not that V was part Vergil.

>he really had no reason to even think that they could somehow merge back together

Him jamming the cane through Urizen's eye wouldn't really make me think they're about to recombine. The line V says might hint at it but that's about as strong as it gets.

OK the mental image of Vergil doing community service is too good

In the mission 12 cutscene where he uses stabs himself with Rebellion to merge with the Sparda he says "If Yamato can separate man from Demon." which indicates he knows that Vergil split himself in two.
When Lady asks who V is in mission 10 he says "nobody important" and blows it off.
He doesn't become at all suspicious when he awakens to V standing over him about to impale him.
He lets V finish off Urizen.

These are the reasons I believe indicate that he very clearly new V was Vergil's human half the entire time.

so what was stopping Dante from shooting the twink and avoiding Vergil coming back.

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the frozen peas that E&I shoot would probably not have done anything to even an injured V