Why hasn't it had the staying power of TF2?

>inb4 /pol/ ruins any chance of actual discussion

>inability to foster a community (no modding, workshop or customization whatsoever)
>cosmetics are limited to skins rather than individual items so kids can't play dress up
>horrendous balancing
>emphasis on healing means that it is much harder for a decent player to carry a team, meaning you depend on five mouthbreathers

if going SJW ruined games then a lot more than just overwatch would be unplayable. It's unrelated.

>TF2 fags deluding themselves to thinking they are relevent

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smart nigger

Overemphasis on ranked play = stale casual games.

It's been focus grouped into complete un-memorability. It's been proven that the CT scans of an Alzheimer's patient and someone who recently played Overwatch are nearly identical.

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>souless game and characters
>bad gameplay, it's a mess
>SJW filled
>almost all characters are fapbait

Yes! The mouth-bleach will be for you, like a sad boy taking a drink of pee lemonade! And then you pass, and nobody will care!

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Even if TF2 is irrelevant, it had a lot longer staying power than Overwatch ever did.

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>YIPPIE KAY YAY MY DEAD, ILLITERATE FRIEND
>BOOM, YOU REPULSIVE BUSHMAN
>OH FAT MAN PLEASE, THIS IS GETTING AWKWARD
>NO WORRIES, MAYTE HAHAHAHAHA
>THE BLACK SCOTTISH CYCLOPS, NOW EXTINCT
>OH SOLDIER, WHO WILL THEY GET TO REPLACE YOU? ANYONE! HAHAHAHAHA
>WELL, OFF TO GO VISIT YOUR MOTHER HAHAHA
Tf2 has banter, Overshit is a hugbox where you get banned for hand symbols and mean words.

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Terrible meta, terrible balance, terrible maps, cringey characters, autistic community

Every game of overwatch is essentially the same. Same strategy, same tactics, and same characters. Blizzard designed it that way; to be played a very specific way without deviating very much. Couple that with recycling the same events every year with very little new content that isn't cosmetic. And you end up with a game that never feels different. If you played it at launch you've played it any other time.

Tf2 is pretty much dead at this point. But valve did actually try with it for a good while. The game is over 10 years old and got regular updates with new content for most of that run. Matches in tf2 will rarely ever feel the same as each other. There are so many different things you can use and ways you can play that the variables are nearly endless.
Plus, tf2 is just more mechanically deep. Which means the ceiling for what is possible and ways to improve your skill is nearly infinite. Overwatch's skill ceiling is rather low since a single character can only do so much. If you're good enough, you can frag with any of the tf2 classes. But Overwatch is designed around not outskilling enemies, but playing the characters designed to counter them.

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These.
More broadly TF2 is basically made by the community with Valve being the higher up saying what community made thing can be added officially.
Overwatch is basically controlled entirely by Blizzard with the community not contributing much to the game

OW hasn't even been out half as long as TF2 retard

This. Very few people actually give a fuck about TF2. Player numbers have held up purely because it's free and runs even on low end laptops

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And overwatch is already on life support.

Tf2 might be dead in the development department, but hey we got community mods n shit.

Still 50,000 players on, going strong for 10 years

just pick moira and carry, thats what i do when my team is getting cucked into oblivion

everything you said its true but

>TF2 is dead

tf2 is far from dead

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Purely subjectively I can jump on tf2 and have a reliable chance of getting some fun, active games.

Yeah, I meant dead in the sense of new content and development. The game itself is still alive. But valve seem to have abandoned it almost completely. I think there was last reported 2 people working on tf2 at valve.

This. I could look past it at launch but jesus christ I'm tired of only playing as women, niggers, or faggots

Brother we’ve been saying tf2’s dead for like 5 years, it’s still here lmao

Don't lose hope, valve could star givin a shit again after the artifact fiasco, we still have the heavy update

Oh my sweet summer child

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TF2's lack of optimization is one of its glaring flaws. This excuse doesn't work anymore now that there more options than ever for F2P ganes, including fucking Fortnite. People play it because they like it. I know we're on Yea Forums, but it's not a hard concept to grasp.

The skill ceiling was just too low and it had all of the negatives of modern TF2 and none of the positives. FFS you can't even stand on a roof in this game. There's nothing that requires thinking outside of the box like rocket jumping. Character skills are too limited. There are a few fun characters like the hamster

This.
But also:
Lack of depth in game play
Smaller server size forcing you to play more seriously because one missing link equals a lost
Hard to carry because of how team work focus they made the game
Characters are to rock-paper-scissor
It isn't F2P
Lack of game modes/main game modes are to similar
Forced esport scene which resulted in attracting meta whore and MOBA fags, and made the game more "serious" because people wanted to play to win even more that playing for fun

Honestly if it was backed by Blizzard this game would of been as dead as Quake Champions

Overwatch is pretty much done at this point.

HEY, Yea Forums!
yore
ugleh

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>no one cares about tf2 except all those tens of thousands playing daily, but they don't count because overwatch has better graphics

If I smash every graphics config and bullet dust mod I have into it it can decent on my Pentium 4 brick

These guys get it.

>horrendous balancing
Fucking this how the fuck do they do it to fuck up the balincing of game so badly?
Legit any retard could make the game more balanced but no they keep buffing the easiest characters to play while nerfing the character that require an actual bit of skill
Also the game never feels satifsying. You always die mostly by some random shit
They keep adding new heroes that add nothing to the game but making the game more and more frustrating to play (they should have stopped adding heroes after Moira)
Maps are shit and full of choke points and not big enough
and tons of other reasons that I forgot because I'm tired as shit

This
TF2 fags are the most delusional people on this board thinking that OW didn't hurt their game in any way, and that their game is still as alive as it use to be.

Personally I don’t play overwatch cause I can’t chain together rocket jumps.
Of course I can just press a button, but where’s the fun in that?

maybe? r right?

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If I can get into a game within 5 seconds, it’s good enough for me

It never built that solid foundation TF2 had, TF2 was one of those games that became a platform thanks to the dying practice of private, moddable servers as well as an in-game economy and in-depth character customization. Being free helped too, but ultimately what made it more successful is that TF2 is just more fun to play, the concept of 9 wildly different classes with modifiable loadouts and playstyles has way more staying power than static characters

I'm imagining a world where Blizzard had released an SDK and private servers during the first year of the game.

I wholeheartedly believe that the people (like me) who wanted Overwatch to be "TF2 2.0" would've started making big 12v12 maps immediately and would've made 12v12 a thing. I also believe that people would've started designing nude and bikini player models out of the gate just to incite controversy and to see how Blizzard would react The winning move by Blizzard would be to just ignore them and then after the controversy cooled off people wouldn't care and would continue using the regular skins

If you've played world of warcraft pvp you would find out why. Blizzard is really shit at balancing when it comes to anything that isn't pve

Blizzard don't know how to balance heroes. That's the main reason I left. Somebody was always broken, and somebody was always useless at any given time, and Blizzard would refuse to aknowledge the problem for a long time before halfway fixing it with a patch. Rinse and repeat.

I wonder what kind of tourist would make this post

stop talking out of your ass i've never seen ANYONE say tf2 is as alive as it used to be. But it's still more alive than OW lol, cope harder

That's definitely a factor, the issue they have is it would be difficult for Overwatch to gain the kind of traction with the game server running community that TF2 has because TF2 has native Linux support. Most Linux users these days aren't going to run servers for a game that they can't play with a native client.

Because the game is fundamentally shit. Remove all the money Blizzard are pumping into the competitive scene and watch it die overnight because nobody actually wants to play it other than to make a buck.

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Game needed community servers that are dedicated servers.
Plus it 's online only so you can't play the game without internet. It would be cool to play the game without needing an internet connection for training mode.

>No custom maps/community made shit
This full stop. Most (if not all) of the best maps in TF2 were custom made, but Valve actually did one-part Payload maps the best (Badwater, Upward). If the community designed maps, they would make Blizzard look like fucking idiots.

I think it's silly that they don't allow you to afk in training mode.

>tf2 is far from dead

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>Overwatch isn't relevant but TF2 is
You're delusional user. Overwatch has more viewers just on Twitch than TF2 has players

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yeah
game's afk system is pretty dumb and can't be turned off as a social or custom game setting. it's even dumber that it appears on the training mode

TF2 existed before twitch and esports.

too many boobs and not enough in-jokes.

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you can't laugh at me with an image of a game that is actually on life support

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>reading comprehension

TF2 doesn't meld with zoomer faggot culture like Twitch.

TF2 fans are actually playing the game, not watching it

Nice lie

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>tf2 fag telling other people to cope
Ironic

So basically it's Siege is better than TF2 and OW?

>2018

isn't that Q1 2018? one whole year ago?

tf2 has more youtube poops than overwatch has players and viewers combined

And yet I bet you can't name fucking ONE game that went SJW and is good.

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Because it's made by faggots lmao

>people actually think OW if on life support
The only thing stopping OW from being number 1 again is it not being F2P. The moment that changes OW will be living for another 4 years or more.

>TF2 fans are actually playing the game
>open server browser
>hundreds of idle servers
>go to find random non-idle server or matchmaking
>still find people afk on the team
lol

Correct

Wow only 4 months ago

Fiscal year ends in June tard

siege is just a worse counterstrike

>not playing on Valve servers
lol

Can't get autists to smurf matchmaking for $60 each time if you make it F2P

Reminder steam charts lie, and that tf2 only has 14,500 active players at the moment.
teamwork.tf/community/statistics/

Whole year

I said matchmaking too, tons of people are idle for no reason

They have personalities that isn't tailored to fucking waifufags even justifying that one of them is a half american indian just to push out a skin

COPE

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That's not why it's dying man.

It's dying because Blizzard wants to control every aspect of the game, they don't want anyone to have a "bad experience" with walled gardens and just turns players apathetic after a while.

Also matchmaking and casual being matchmaking-lite means there's really no tangible way to make friends in this game.

Blizzard, for whatever reason, does not like the idea of giving their players responsibility to foster a community.

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>steam charts
store.steampowered.com/stats/Steam-Game-and-Player-Statistics?l=english

>I think there was last reported 2 people working on tf2 at valve.
It's pretty much finished at this point. The game runs perfectly and has a shitload of content.

I think tf2 br could be really big
but people think its a dumb idea :(

Overwatch is shit but TF2 has been shit for years. It was a God tier game prior to September 2012.

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i tried ow on a free weekend and the only reason i can see people playing it is addiction to lootboxes and level reward stuff etc, not the game itself

>more people would rather watch overwatch than play it
>this is somehow a good thing

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tf2 has maybe 12,000 players if you dont count bots
and updates seemed to have stopped

>tf2 fags are to dumb to click and read the link

Is anyone denying TF2 is dead?

Yeah keep watching video games nerd, I'll keep playing them because I like actually fun games

>who gives a shit about the viewing habits of people who would rather watch a game being played than actually play it? maybe what that image shows me is a bunch of flashy games propped up by a streamer while tf2 is actually fun to play so people just play it instead.

>overweenies will suck third party cock if it supports their delusions
embarrassing

No it means more people are interested in OW

Like Fortnite has millions of active players so it also has most viewers

shit i forgot to delete the quote

1. Its not F2P

2. Blizzard has been banning most of its playerbase over the years.

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I'M GONNA DO THE OK SIGN

Fortnite is also consistently on the top for viewers, while people only care about OW during it's leagues
Pretty much every streamer that got big off OW have either stopped streaming or dropped it to variety stream instead.

Because it is not free to play.
Literally the only reason. Some of you might have forgotten or aren't old enough to know, but TF2 was most certainly not doing too well before it became free to play.
In fact, that was why it became free to play.

TF2 was never really meant to be treated as a competitive game, it's a really good fuck around semi-casual game with community support.

Overwatch is taken way too seriously by Blizzard and they treat it like an esport, when it would be much better suited as a semi-casual game.

Imagine how fun dedicated servers and custom maps would be with overwatch.

Blizzard can't balance for shit, we've known this since Classic WoW.
Also restricting teams to one of every hero was dumb as fuck and killed any chance of a fluid meta. Which is the exact opposite of what they intended. Plus now if people can't play their favorite character they will troll or not play the game at all.

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Nice self portraits lol

it's funny how the game that was made for casual fun has more depth than this e-sport piece of shit

Alright retard, TF can be a 12x12 or more shitfest of people. It has constant rounds and its game mechanics were built for a frequent respawn system. Those reasons are why private servers work. You can jump in and play and it has enough for room to support a number of "regulars".
Overwatch is a 6x6 game with clearly defined rounds, a start and an end. It wasn't built for people constantly jumping in and out and the lobby is too small to support a community.
Private servers simply wouldn't work on overwatch. If you want to play with several friends that is what the custom matches and groups are for.

your link (steam) counts bots
the other link doesnt

Why wouldn't Overwatch work with a 12v12 shitfest?

>Also restricting teams to one of every hero was dumb as fuck
There's a good reason why every hero based game does this you retard
>Plus now if people can't play their favorite character they will troll or not play the game at all
That's a load of shit. Overwatch bans you for even fucking blinking without your teams permission. You've go no clue what the fuck you're talking about

6v6, no harbor for player skill, Ults that charge while afk, etc
how the hell do I "reload" a rocket launcher with an infinite ammo reserve?
at least there's porn

Ultimates and general imbalance i guess

I didn't say that. I am saying that private servers simply wouldn't work with Overwatch AS IT IS.
Now, if there were fundamental changes made to the game, it would be a different story.
But right now, it is what it is. A 6x6 "competitive" game with a system where private servers would make no difference other than ping.

>tf2 fags will gladly suck valves dick this hard

as if nu-blizzard is any better.

>everyone is an overweeny
TF2 is dead. Cope.

I deranked 5 seasons in row until I got bored.
Walked around the map while shooting enemies once a minute.
When someone started trashtalking me or got angry I reported them and told I felt vulnerable to Blizzard(changed my name more girly with the free change I had)
I never got warnings. Only que cooldowns when I left games out of boredom, but even that penalty resets after 10 games.
System is broken. Lower ranks are full of smurfs and its just a shitfest in general.
Endorsement levels work as ban protection btw.
The more you know

tf2 has been dead since the matchmaking update

>said the blizzdrone for the third year in a row
you're boring, dude.

>he thinks I play OW
This is the mind state of TF2 fags. They think everyone who goes against them has to be a Blizzdrone. Valve steam charts are faulty and you're blindly believing them because you're to dumb to admit that you're round and move on.

>ctrl+f "movement"
>not found
Casuals detected

Overwatch has very few skill based movement mechanics. This means mechanically it's just a boring game to play, and the skill gap between a good player and a bad player is very compressed. In TF2 a player that knows how to move on any class can outplay lesser players just by juking/strafing well. In OW it's all aiming and using your cooldowns effectively. It's less tactile and allows for less creativity. Player movement in is also just much slower in general.

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>revenue
>doesn't show players
I wonder how much of that is due to people watching it and buying its products while not playing the game

>>horrendous balancing
>>emphasis on healing means that it is much harder for a decent player to carry a team, meaning you depend on five mouthbreathers

damn that almost sounds like WoW gameplay balance.

>person shows that steam charts are round
>NOOOOOO THEY ARENT TRUE YOU DUMB BLIZZSHILL VALVE CAN NEVER BE WRONG COME BACK WITH A BETTER POINT

The core gameplay loop isn't fun. There are a few things that contribute to it:

1. Matchmade multiplayer is an inherently bad for both enjoyment and self-improvement unless you are in the top ~15% of players of any game.

2. There is less "carry" power in Overwatch's heroes than TF2's classes. A single player's impact is much more limited in Overwatch than TF2. This is a result of heavily bottlenecked level design more than character design.

3. The environment is pedaled as being more serious ("e-sports", etc.), and so players are inherently in a different mindset when they play, and this makes them have less fun. Everybody thinks they're going to be the next pro. Even if you want to goof off, you can get punished for doing so. Games are to be SRS BSNS only.

4. Gunplay is infinitely worse in OW. OW relies on what's basically MMO button rotations instead of ammo management, precise aiming, and weapon switching. I don't think having buttoned abilities is an inherently bad thing, but the use of your primary weapons needs to have much more depth than it currently does in OW.

5. Customization that affects gameplay. Prepackaged characters whose abilities are static is actually a lot less variety than the 9 TF2 classes with all of their various equipable weapons. Weapon slots in TF2 were both a form of expression (you got to decide what you thought was interesting/effective and use it) and an opportunity for a solo player to make a macro-strategy call. OW has literally nothing to facilitate either of these concepts.

Why do Yea Forumsincels hate OW so much?

Because it's diverse and inclusive?
Because there are a shitload of female pros?
Or are you guys just bad?

>I'm totally le based centrist not biased at all guys
yawn

TF2 was one of the most boring games ever. It only stayed because of the stupid g-mod yt videos.

major cope

>DUDE I SHOOT THE FLOOR IM SO SKILLED
cringe

>he plays the same game for 10 years
yawn

They got banned for calling someone a nigger faggot

How dumb can you inbreds be?

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the most retarded opinion i've heard in a while, good job

dilate

you're actually the biggest idiot in this thread
the link that guy posted proves you wrong but youre to bitter about your precious game being dead to admit it

I need to suck on a skinny females clean soles. Now!

the whole focus is weird

it asks you to care about your rank
then lets you queue solo

it asks you to pick a favourite champ
but then forces shitty rock paper scissors swap every death gameplay
while also making you charge ults which contradicts the idea of swapping to counter enemies

so everyone just stays on whoever they picked so they can use it

i dunno

it just feels really badly thought out

and then they keep adding more and more people with shields

and it isnt fun to shoot shields

god damn the game looks so pretty

but im either doing ok and feel nothing

or doing badly and hate it

>DUDE I PRESS Q IM SO SKILLED

>le epic smug reply because he has no argument
wew

?

look I like OW but don't forget about the time Blizzard tried to cover the controversy over their fake girl pro player by announcing Soldier was gay

the irony coming from a blizzardfag, classic wow will never bring you back.

Overwatch is only good for porn which can't sustain a game forever

Whats wrong with playing games you like?
Should I always leave older entertainment behind in favor of new?

Where did I imply OW was skill nimrod

i want AAA to have the balls to ask me to try again

accessible is great on paper

but if you want people to care you have to give them a reason to

I've never played WoW my dude. But you can keep projecting on me all you want if you think it helps your point.

how fucking dumb can you be? QUIT GIVING THEM FREE ADVERTISEMENTS, STOP FEEDING THEM MORE IMPRESSIONABLE YOUTHS, NO NEWFAG WOULD FUCKING KNOW ABOUT POL IF YOU COULD RESIST THE URGE TO POST ABOUT POL FOR ONE GODDAMN DAY YOU TREMENDOUS FAGGOT.

Honestly I think the lack of trading might be a good thing long-term. It's kept some people playing TF2, but I think it overall hurt the game. Valve seems to think throwing out a dozen or so tiered hats via lootbox every 3+ months is an acceptable amount of content for an update, and they make a disproportionate amount of money off that compared to actual content updates with maps and/or weapons, so they don't feel much reason to do anything else. I agree with everything else you and say though.

Developers have no idea how to balance a fucking video game.

based

TF2 came before the advent of twitch

Only people with high level of autism play the same game for 10+ years. Just look at the Melee community.

Undertale

On Yea Forums, expect only replies that will say something negative about what you typed. Whatever it is, whatever topic, however new the game is. You will get a negative reply.
Just ignore those replies because its by someone who most likely feel like they lost whatever discussion they had in a precious thread and are desperately trying to feel better

They wont stop adding more champs
So its never in a finished well thought out state
Its just an endless cycle of new problems that never get ironed out

ow is communist. looks pretty on surface, but everyone feels like shit playing it, has a stupid commend system to create an illusion that everyone is oh so friendly, everyone reports everyone for everything (and gets people banned), community isn't allowed to make any custom content, everything is made by blizzard and is shit, and that's without considering all the fucking minorities and faggot characters

This. Starcraft 2 wasn't much better either. If you've played a Blizzard online game in the last decade then you already know exactly the pigheaded ass-backwards kind of mistakes that they're making. They sucker you into it because their games seem so competent and interesting conceptually, so you naturally think they can't screw it up that bad, but yes, yes they can.

games like this will NEVER be balanced, they're asymmetrical and people will always find exploits

the mistake is treating it like a really competitive game

you can take yourself and your play seriously, but it's fundamentally a casual game no matter how hard blizzard pushes the esport shit.

>play OW
>get crybabies, trannies and retards
>play TF2
>get LMAOBOXers and shitskins

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imagine actually being (((YOU)))

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>this thing is broken
>no it's not
>yes it is you're wrong
Nice "argument". If this is the average intellect of a Yea Forums poster than it's no surprise twitter outrage and clickbait headline threads hit bump limit in under an hour

Only good post ITT

Nothing bad about playing a game you like from time to time
They are just passtime for some, some people take them a bit more seriously and some people play them all the time.
There isn't anything bad about enjoying interactive passtime from time to time. Some people, afterall, spends 10+ years on the same forums without even leaving a mark on there nor learning anything useful or interesting viewpoint in general. Just parroting same opinions as others or turning the metagame around and being full contrarian for no reason. True opinions and discussions die like that as nothing is taken seriously, but everything you post you want people to listen.
So playing a game for 10+ years and being a bit autistic about it isn't that bad. At least you can get some positive memories out of it and meet new people.

You replied to a post about movement with autistic screeching about floor shooting

>a third-party site is more credible than information straight from the platform itself
Maybe read the entire chain before spewing brain diarrhea.
>Valve bad
>Blizzard good
You're almost as bad as Epic shills. Did your Steam accounts get VACed or something?

>websites explains how valve charts are wrong and inaccurate
>"No they're wrong!"
You're the one with a dumb argument here, not me.

Overwatch is trash, with that out of the way you fuckers need to spot pretending TF2 is anything but trash. It was the casual baby shooter of its day.

Definitely more relevant than OW

>But dude it says right there Valve is lying because reasons
Don't you have a one angry clickbaiter thread to post in?

It's a well known fact that valve chart inaccurately records their active player rate by also accounting for bots(aka trade bots), idlers, and people who are just on the main menu doing nothing. Not my fault that your double digit IQ can't comprehend that.

Yes. It clearly says why valve charts are not accurate. It's what this guy said Or is your peanut size brain to dumb to read the website?

>concurrent users are measured by how many people have the game open
No shit, might as well say you can't trust player numbers for every game since it doesn't account for how many people happen to be idling to take a shit or wait in a queue. Yet somehow games on Steam get singled out for it.

Anyone wanna play on xbox?

i'd be surprised for any game to stay above 50k active players for as long as tf2 has

That's what I was trying to argue this whole time you dunce. Valve chart lies by not accurately showing it's ACTIVE players. That website shows the true number of active players. Valve chart shows it's count for TF2 at around 55,000 on average, when in reality only 14,000 of those are people actively playing. The rest are idle or trade bots.

go away trannoid, no one wants you here

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1. There is no reason to play Overwatch for hundreds of hours in order to master the intricacies of the game... because there are no intricacies. The mechanics reward class choice, positioning, and cooldown management. There's no small map details to learn, and the physics are simplistic.

2. No potential for communities to form. In life, you accumulate friendships, obligations or at the very least a feeling of familiar fondness for people you spend time with every day. These things keep people revisiting online games. These things do not happen in a sterile matchmaking system.

3. The characters are uncompelling. With TF2, players eagerly waited years for very short videos that featured these characters. What are Overwatch fans looking forward to? I'm sure adding another overachieving African to the roster will be just as exciting as Meet the Medic.

4. Above all else, Overwatch is not an exciting videogame. TF2 was exciting for many years after its release. In any sphere that young people occupy on the internet, the greatest measure of excitement is memes - and TF2 has thousands of them. Overwatch players do not feel an organic fondess for Overwatch, and will leave it for the next biggest and best game of its kind.

TF2
>$20 at most before it was f2p
>9 characters with varying playstyles
>tons of voicelines, all of which are free
>tons of maps with varied game modes
>buff-first approach to game balance
>competitive scene influences balance but goes virtually unseen by most of the playerbase
>lootbox drops require money to open, but almost always reward something of use
>holiday events only twice a year to keep the game modes and themes feeling special
>new weapons/cosmetics can be purchased flat out with money
>trading exists to help players get what they want
>play is rewarding in itself, but also provides new weapon/cosmetic drops

Overwatch
>$60 game at launch
>~30 heroes with a single way to play them
>bog-standard voice lines, with the rest as lootbox fodder
>A handfull of maps that are all payload, capture point, or both
>nerf-first approach to game balance
>forced esports scene shoved into the forefront whose metagame directly impacts balance
>lootboxes are the only reward system in the game, padded with garbage sprays and voice lines
>new holiday events every other month, usually to sell exclusive lootboxes
>cosmetics only available in lootboxes at highest rarity, and currency to purchase piecemeal takes forever to grind
>no trading in fear of undermining their lootbox racket
>play is rewarding only to grind lootboxes, in slim hopes of getting what you want.

Bots haven't been relevant since they killed like idling 6 years ago. You have to play on a VAC server and manually accept every drop. Anyone looking to bot is frying their PC for cryptocurrency.

Because outside of the fact you interact with other humans that are cool 5% of the time, it's bad, even most of the porn is bad.

it's sad how the only memes ow has produced are forced high noon and i need healing

They shouldn't have made Tracer a lesbian.

Shouldn't have made soldier 76 gay/bisexual either, they should have instead focused on making the actual gameplay in their fucking videogame better rather then endlessly appealing to tumblr retards, but nu-blizzard is retards all the way down so here we fucking are.

hey now you're forgetting I'm already tracer, Jeff and those edits of developer updates. Not to mention stuff from the voice actors. But none of these actually came to be from the game itself besides those dinoflask videos where the joke is almost always wow this game sure is a fucking mess

reminder to all posters that you have answered these question ages ago. you do not need to associate yourself with blizzard products any longer

>blizzard

yeah im already tracer is less of an ow meme and more of a testament to the fact that's it's normalfag trash to the core

If I'm not mistaken, Blizzard wants you to have a 50/50 win-lose rate, meaning you get matched into near unwinnable matches on purpose.

Every fucking newfag knows about /pol/ you fucking dipshit. That's probably the reason half of us found about this fucking hellsite. It's not some cursed secret place that only a handful can access.

t. ranny

Unironically this.

Nice falseflag, /pol/cel.

Because it's still a retail game. Once it goes F2P like TF2 then the cancerous community that're still playing will grow 100 fold.

Yea Forums is /pol/ time to get over it and as usual /pol/ is right.

>trumpanzee from reddit thinking he's in charge
Give me one (1) reason why transitioning is bad you sweaty virgin.

Overwatch has it wrong at every level.
>gameplay
balance is fucked, goats, every new character is more and more broken/rerarded
>maps
chokepoint fest, boring ass objectives
>graphics
cluttered screen from 1000 effects going on at once
>characters
cookie-cutter good & ebil characters, marvel tier of boring
>lore
all over the place, incomplete, stories are predictable and boooring
>community
literal player score based on how nice you are, throwers, metafags, trannies everywhere
>development
completely going down the shitter, developers clearly don't give a damn
>others
events keep being recycled, no real incentive to get good except golden weapons
>performance
keeps getting worse with every update
its a shitshow, no matter the angle you look at it

not enough waifus being pumped out, so the porn train ran out of coal

whats worse the virgin who can't get laid or the virgin who can't get laid and mutilates their body and demands everyone call them a woman?

we're all /pol/ here.

>undertale
>good.

Isn't that litteraly what sjw means?

Slow with updates that end up being underwhelming

Maybe cuz we only get one new character every year

Resetera tranny.

>muh forced 50
It's a natural consequence of being put in your elo / mmr home. Once you're being matched up with people just as good (or bad, since you're a fucking baddie) as you, you'll win half the time and lose half the time because you're fucking terrible so it's a coin toss on whether or not you're as bad as the enemy or worse for that given match.

This holds true for literally every single mmr / elo system in the world for any game, whether it's Overwatch, LoL, Dota, or Chess