Persona 5

It's definitely better than the other games of the franchise, but it's shit nonetheless.

P4G is better. P5 is a rehash.

its atmosphere and setting are both above its predecessors. P3 is comparable but the detail of P5's Tokyo is still unprecedented + more fleshed out Jrpg gameplay help push it over the top.

still cant discuss it in this Yea Forums climate though

Don't listen to these cunts, user
P5 was a fucking blast, don't let anyone try to tell you different

Will Makoto continue to be a cunt about my charm in P5R?

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Useless aesthetic focus
Retarded writinh that tries to be deep
Completely fucked up Goro and his role, plus the team immediately slobber over his cock
Thieves don't actually steal anything, the whole gane is without stakes
Villains are one dimensional and unrealistic
Music quirky and 'different', but shallow awardbait
Style over substance
Does not respect the player's time
And so on

Because Yea Forums is literally one guy who thinks that " old good new bad" is a legit opinion

lol.

Are you implying that this shit is remotely good?

lel.

being contrarian without thoughts to everything and pretend they are deep is cool; add zoomers to that and we got these maggots on this board

Not them but
*Rehashes 4's plot outline beat for beat.
*Adds minor "fixes" to gameplay that just makes combat easier or forces a specific meta instead of actually shaking things up.
*Only four traditional S Link's are male, and all eight traditional female S Link's are romance options. Almost all of them follow the exact same plot beats. Everything outside of this is automatic or tied to content completion directly.
*Multiple Confidants are rehashed of previous S Links.
*Side quests are even more rigid than in P4.
*Vertical level design that matters is only implemented in two out of eight dungeons.
*Plot is as safe as possible, making a bunch of strawman arguments about big scandals while having absolutely no balls. Refuses to have consistent theming or meaningfully challenge the heroes' ideals.

The irony is palpable.

Tartarus is infinitely better than palaces since you have full control over its pacing. Mementos isn't even worth mentioning.

I'm still not seeing 'soulless cashgrab'

250 odd floors of randomised fucking nothing is better than actual level design?

You forgot

>I've never heard of acid jazz in my 16 year life so it's 'weird' and 'quirky' and 'forced'.

>"The game has no ambition, rehashed old content and doesn't even have it's own voice. It's lazy and safe."
>"How is that a soulless cashgrab?"
You serious?

Not him but
>*Rehashes 4's plot outline beat for beat.
>Almost all of them follow the exact same plot beats.
>*Multiple Confidants are rehashed of previous S Links.
>*Plot is as safe as possible, making a bunch of strawman arguments about big scandals while having absolutely no balls. Refuses to have consistent theming or meaningfully challenge the heroes' ideals.
This all fits the literal definition of soulless.

I like how, in lieu of an argument, you create a strawman. You'd fit right in on the writing staff.

I actually liked the OST, though most of the palace themes were a bit on the unmemorable side.

250 floors that you can run through in 10-30 seconds and avoid any battles you don't want to fight are infinitely better than several long, linear paths with unavoidable encounters sprinkled throughout that also force you to split your time into multiple sessions between letters and mp loss.

Six S.links are male though

>my opinion is fact

I don't think there's a single game in existence that can meet the Yea Forums hivemind's standards.

It doesn't matter that much because you spend 1/5 of your time overall in the palaces or mementos.

It’s probably butthurt switchfags attacking it

>hivemind
That would mean everyone thinks the exact same way on this mod forsaken board.

Can you back up that statement with credible stats for both games?

5 >>>>> 4 > 3 is all I can say.

I goofed and meant to say there were four-and-four "normal" ones and that all eight non-automated/completion check female ones are romances, but the thoughts bled together.

sauce?

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Try asking on the Ann /c/ thread

>Ys
>good
Pick one

Xenoblade Chronicles X

God tier gameplay and side quests

I'm
and
I don't even own a Switch. I'm just disappointed that it's more of the same with tertiary improvements, a few "fixes" that actually make things worse, and the nadir of the series writing. I waited nearly a decade for that. Disappointing is an understatement.

This. You can tell the people attacking it are bitter and they hate fun. They are incapable of talking about something they enjoy.

I love X and it's my favorite out of the Xenoblade games. It's also shitposted to shit.

X is the best Xenoblade, but people hate it because

>Story isn't finished
>Characters suck
>UH, UH, YEAH
>TATSU NOT FOOD

the switch has shattered Yea Forums, no matter your opinion on the games themselves there will always be two people shitposting about the switch having games or the switch not having games followed by a wojak

>Tail isn't a buttplug

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Why isn't there any good porn that's on model? Don't say sfm. All these artists fucking overexaggerate the proportions it's disgusting.

This

It’s not even a good console

Tartarus is fucking awesome, eat shit

>Tartarus is fucking awesome
What the hell am I reading?

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Autism
Mementos did it better

Lying to yourself isn't healthy

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I noticed something while playing in that when Makoto baton passes, it might be my imagination, but it looks like her model glitches and her ass sticks out the side even when she turns

First time playing P5, just finished Summer break, it's my first Persona game. Enjoying it so far. Picked Kawakami as waifu

>Completely fucked up Goro and his role, plus the team immediately slobber over his cock
It's almost as if they slobber over his cock to make Goro think they don't know that he's going to betray them.
>Thieves don't actually steal anything, the whole gane is without stakes
Did you even fucking play the game?
Kamoshida is going to expel Joker, Ryuji and Mishima. This would also ruin Joker's life as no other school would accept him.
Madarame although doesn't have as pressing of a stake as others he was still going to slowly ruin Yusuke's life by stealing his art as his own then eventually throw him out like the others, + he was extremely shady and an asshole doing illegal things in the art industry.
Kaneshiro was going to financially ruin every phantom thieves lives and families along with every other person caught up in his debts.
Futaba needed saving or else she was going to confine herself to her room to her death probably of suicide because she thinks she killed her mom.
Okumura just had bad working conditions for those working at the bottom of his business, and also Haru being another Yusuke situation, this is the only one I agree on being stupid.
Sae was going to arrest some random person and be wrongfully accused of being the phantom thieves, + they needed Sae for their "we got em", Akechi plan, or else Joker would be dead with the rest of the phantom thieves after that.
And Shido was going to fuck the whole country and also the one who started all the mental shutdowns using Akechi
And then you have the persistent all humans are going to be dead Persona stake
I can see Madarame and Okumura being seen as stakeless but come on.
But oh i'm sorry, you must be one of those 3fags who thinks that their game is almighty and was the only one with stakes even though all of them have plenty of fucking stakes.

Enjoy user.

It does glitch. They modeled her in a lazy way and you end up with a weird fucking rectangle jutting out because they didn't double check the animation.

Madarame was going to press charges on Joker and Ryuji, and since Joker is on probation, it would have meant he would have been thrown back into juvie, likely for many years, same with Kamoshida if he got expelled and the law got involved to find out why he got expelled, and Kamoshida would have likely told them Joker was trying to assault him, which would have put him back in juvie. Pretty much every major enemy threatens Joker's life with the possibility of ruining his probation and putting him back in juvie, which would ruin his life, as he likely wouldn't get a second chance.

I’m glad you’re enjoying it

Thank you guys. Suzaku is super useful as a Persona. Also Justine and Caroline are super cute. Really all the girls are really cute, almost makes me reconsider Kawakami as my waifu, but I will stay loyal.

I can think of like 10 off the top of my head
>Super Mario Bros. 3
>Devil May Cry 3
>Counter-Strike
>Final Fantasy Tactics
>Thief II
>Warcraft 3
>Command & Conquer
>Burnout 3: Takedown
>Soulcalibur II
>GTA San Andreas

There are plenty of games that are universally considered as good. If you disagree, you're just factually wrong

Sad if Persona 5 is peak fun gameplay for you. You must have not grown up with many video games. Even the first 2 games are better.

"NEW GOOD OLD BAD" is everyone else so I don't see how that's a bad thing.

JUST TELL US ABOUT ROYAL ALREADY FUCK

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I never used Suzaku much across all the Persona games but if you have good skills on him and it’s working for you then that’s good. I agree Caroline and Justine are in fact super fucking cute. They were part of the reason I bought the game.

Looks like someone hasnt beaten the 2nd dungeon yet.

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I played the first two games and 5 is way better gameplay wise. The only good thing about their gameplay is being able to have different personas on each party member but fusion is a serious hassle

Why does this game get its dick sucked so fucking much here when it's argued about all the time and wasn't good enough to deserve it to begin with?

I have not only passed the second dungeon but I played every game in the series user. I’m replaying P5.

I've got Marin Karin and Ominous Words on Suzaku, so it's been super powerful in a lot of confrontations.
I don't mind when they bully me..!

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Yea Forums isn't a hivemind; it's five people all jacking off to loli porn arguing about what they hate the most.

because the entire persona community as a whole has a portion who heavily vocalize what game does what aspect the best down to the tiniest fucking things and bite each other over it like rabid dogs

Why are you trying so hard to dislike a good game? Do you hate fun?

Those are good but you’ll come to realize that it’s better to kill the enemies as fast as possible with strong attacks instead of messing with status ailments so those aren’t always guaranteed to hit
I too like being bullied by them!

Where did I say I disliked the game?

I usually only deal with status ailments when im trying to catch the Pokemon, when not I just blitz as hard and as fast as I can. But man are negotiations a pain in the ass, I used to get them every time at the start of the game but now I can barely get through one.

There’s tips online about them and if you rank up the confidants in your party they’ll get abilities like sexy talk with Ann where they can give you a second try in negotiations

Oh yeah I know, it's just theres almost no site that just has all the answers completely. Either some have a few answers, or others have half done lists.
I've already maxed out Ryuji, Kawakami and Ann, and I'm close to maxing out Death, Sun, and...a few others I can't remember. When I level up again I'll be able to get Rank 7 for Strength

>user makes a thread about how fun a game is
>first replies say how the game is garbage and OP is wrong

Neo Yea Forums need to die off, for real.

This
It’s getting ridiculous how they can’t allow someone to enjoy anything

Based

>its atmosphere and setting are both above its predecessors.
Spicy bait

Retard

>not an argument
P4fags are fucking retards

Yea Forums has always been nothing but contrarian assholes that hate everything.

>TWEWY
>Hollow Knight
You missed these 2

What atomsphere exists in P5? It literally doesn't exist you fucking moron

I really want to like Persona 5 and plan on finishing it soon in the future but I unironically have enjoyed the 23 hrs I've put into Persona 2:IS over the 105 I currently have in P5. The thought of playing the game just feels suffocating because the pace feels so slow whenever I have the urge to play it.

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t. delusional p5babby

Play the game.

>t I unironically have enjoyed the 23 hrs I've put into Persona 2:IS
I feel like this is bait

I did. It was one of the worst games ever made. Zero fucking atomsphere

P5 is a bad game so don't worry

Play it again.

This

>5 is better though.
>worst story in the series
>gameplay is 4 but somehow worse
No

It's not awesome, but it's very good at delivering what's important: a short dungeon with differing colour schemes to change the background in battles, which you spend 90% of your time in tartarus doing.

It's not

>P5 was a fucking blast
If you are 4 years old

It's a shitty stillborn child of P2IS and P4 yet manages to be worse than both

Cringe

>P3 Face your fears
>P4 Face yourself
>P5 FUCK THOSE SHITTY ADULTS!!

Such endearing characters.

pathetic

Yaldabaoth wasn't an adult though. He's barely a baby.

P3 wasn't about facing your fears
P4 wasn't about facing yourself it was about finding the truth.

P5 is just a bad game dude

>Why can't every story be the same?!
Seethe harder.

Get better fucking taste you dipshit moron.

This

I'm shocked literally anyone fell for this with how much you got wrong about all 3 entries.

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Just use Shiki Ouji retard. The game is crap

Can't wait until Persona 6 comes out so it will be ok for me to like 5 again.

The devs clearly put a lot of love into this game. I've played many jrpgs but none seem to come remotely close to being as consistently great with each installment as persona does. I don't think I have any fears, other than the release date, that persona 6 will be anything short of amazing.

>Get fucked over at every turn by adults abusing and taking advantage of kids
>Not wanting to say "fuck those shitty adults"
You don't have a rebel soul

I just want devil summoner 3.
I've been replaying 2 on ps2 and it's fucking awesome.

5 was my first game and i enjoyed the shit out of it. started 4 and it's just not the same. the tv stuff just isn't as interesting, but we'll see how i like it as time goes on

>good game
lol. Futaba and Ryuji were the only characters that acted like how actual teens would. The rest were just cardboard cutouts of anime archetypes with no personality and barely any real flaws. The core plot of P5 is so weak that no one even talks about it. There's nothing interesting or entertaining or compelling about twink cosplayers defeating Saturday Morning Cartoon villains of the week. Whenever the game tried to be philosophical it was cringe worthy, whenever it tried to be emotional it was just funny.
5 fails to recapture the magic of the earlier titles, the setting, characters and storyline fails to pull you in and make you play for weeks on end.

A part of me suspects that because they set it in Tokyo and not a made up location they didn't have any reason to closely interlink the location and setting with the characters and truly make the place live and breathe.

Also, thematically 5 is kind of on the nose and weak, you didn't care about the protagonist or his struggle like you would for the earlier titles.

Yikes. Play more games.

>likes a bad game
>WAHHHHHHHHH MUH SPACE
P5babbies are pure cringe

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Maybe it's just not a good game

No reason to replay a bad game with no atomsphere. Not an argument

lol. Yosuke and Chie were the only characters that acted like how actual teens would. The rest were just cardboard cutouts of anime archetypes with no personality and barely any real flaws. The core plot of P4 is so weak that no one even talks about it. There's nothing interesting or entertaining or compelling about twink retards defeating Saturday Morning Cartoon villains of themselves. Whenever the game tried to be philosophical it was cringe worthy, whenever it tried to be emotional it was just funny.
4 fails to recapture the magic of the earlier and later titles, the setting, characters and storyline fails to pull you in and make you play for weeks on end.

A part of me suspects that because they set it in a small town and not a real location they didn't have any reason to closely interlink the location and setting with the characters and truly make the place live and breathe.

Also, thematically 4 is kind of on the nose and weak, you didn't care about the protagonist or his struggle like you would for the earlier titles.

Imagine being a butthurt p5babby

I think the only thing P5 did better was the menus and transitions between them. The colour usage and designs are 10/10 but even the way the characters fight (side-by-side unless surrounded) is really fucking boring and stale compared to P3.

I bitch about this a lot but even in P3 for physical attacks, Personas were summoned in front of you and were made to look like they were physically attacking the enemy. In P5 they just pose behind you and then a magic effect plays over the enemy, making physical attacks... not look physical.

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Sadly the story needs to be good in order to say that.

AFYT
Always
Fuck
Your
Teacher

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Wrong. When 6 comes 5 will get the hate it deserves

>The core plot of P5 is so weak that no one even talks about it.
We're talking about right now.
> not a made up location
huh? Inaba and Port Island are real locations.
> thematically 5 is kind of on the nose and weak,
Have you played P4?
You're just shitposting now.

>Pointing out P5 is lazier with animating the PERSONAS is shitposting.
Alright fine I'll also admit the fusion mechanics are god tier.

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Not an argument

>Lists all 3 wrong

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>muh Saturday morning cartoo-
Fuck off hivemind

>I think the only thing P5 did better was the menus and transitions between them.
Funny because p5 removed the list of personas and now forces you to load every single fucking stat page while flipping through them now, that there's no calender for no reason at all.

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I remember busting so many nuts to this picture years ago

I'm playing it as my first Persona after just having played DDS1+2 and Nocturne and I'm having a blast.

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>We're talking about right now.
Only bad how bad it is
>Inaba and Port Island are real locations
Based on a a real location
>Have you played P4?
In a vacuum it's not good but in comparison 4 is better.

>Funny because p5 removed the list of personas and now forces you to load every single fucking stat page
God fuck don't remind me. For a game that tried hard to streamline the combat by removing the ability to scroll up/down to select shit and moved them to the face buttons, they sure did take a mighty big step backwards with that.

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Fusion is literally Nocturne but busted and shit It's terrible.

It's true

You can choose which skills the persona/demon inherits, and you can use other personas as EXP to level others up and gives a chance for the receiving one to learn a skill from the sacrifice. That means literally any persona can become fucking awesome.
If you don't think that's the tightest shit, get out of my babylonian hieroglyphics wall.

You would think, but nah. The fact that it's a Persona game nearly devoid of those filler periods after each arc from 3-5 is refreshing. Helps that the setting, plot, and characters is great-tier too, although the gameplay is merely bearable since it's brain-dead.
I've put in so much time already I might as well see it through.

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I never actually thought about it but now that kinda makes me mad.
The DLC personas especially, since almost all of them were shown to be really dynamic in their attack styles in Arena barring Ariadne, and none of that potential is really utilized in even the most simple attack animations
>tfw we may never see Thanatos going berserk and tearing shit apart outside of that one cutscene if they decide to continue this shit

Explain to me why the only one in that game then that was set up properly was Kamoshida. After that they literally go looking to start shit with people they have no reason to.

>You can choose which skills the persona/demon inherits,
It's not the first game to do this, besides removing re-rolling is just a QoL not a actual system difference
>and you can use other personas as EXP to level others up and gives a chance for the receiving one to learn a skill from the sacrifice.
Yes sacrifice, but thats why the persona balance is completely fucked because all these tools and they didn't built the game in mind with them. Again it's Nocturne but busted which makes it terrible

damn, imagine what it must be for you to actually play a good game

>The DLC personas especially,
Oh fuck dude did you also notice that Thanatos doesn't even complete it's attack animation for physical attacks? It pulls it's sword halfway out then resets to idle.

>In P5 they just pose behind you and then a magic effect plays over the enemy, making physical attacks... not look physical.
5 is my favourite in terms of gameplay but I completely agree with this. The lack of proper phys/gun animations is pretty disappointing.

Yaldy and his theme of having no free will.
They were practically forced to change someone's heart after Madarame because of blackmail or someone threatening to reveal their identity

Can makotofags even be stopped at this point?

makoto is the worst character I seen in fiction

The two best characters in one picture.

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P4's story and characters are better. Group dynamics are better, relationships are better. Superior waifus (except that P5 has MILFs). Way more and better events, and S.Links are overall more lasting than P5's Confidants.
P5 has superior dungeons but Mementos is very dull and you can't revisit them. It also has better menus and art direction. I won't compare actual graphics because they are obviously products of the time's technology.
P3 has the best finale of the modern trilogy and is the most engaging combat and gameplay-wise.

This

>P4's story and characters are better
No. P4 doesn't have a story and the cast are as interesting as paint drying.
>Group dynamics are better,
No, the interactions are nice but the group dynamics are non existent.
> Superior waifus
lmao
>S.Links are overall more lasting than P5's Confidants.
You're therapist vs making a shady deal.

>Superior waifus
I disagree

Did Saefag post chapter 7 yet?

>It pulls its sword halfway out then resets to idle.
No fucking way, really? I really, really hope this minimalist shit doesn't become a standard for the next gen persona games

>P4 doesn't have a story and the cast are as interesting as paint drying.
Yes. The P5 cast is complete shit. Makoto isn't a character at all, she just steals the shared exposition/problem solving the first characters had prior to her joining and every single instance now has "WOW MAKOTO YOU'RE SO AWESOME" appended to the end. Ann has zero relevancy. Futuba is as interesting as a brick despite being the only character to have a real arc. Haru doesn't exist. Morganna is shit like Teddie. Yusuke is the only good character. P5's story is complete utter shit that makes no sense.
The only good girl in the game is Kawakami and it's a shame she's stuck in a shit game.

Yes. The P4 cast is complete shit. Naoto isn't a character at all, she just steals the shared exposition/problem solving the first characters had prior to her joining and every single instance now has "WOW NAOTO YOU'RE SO AWESOME" appended to the end. Chie has zero relevancy. Yosuke is as interesting as a brick despite being the only character to have a real arc. Yukiko doesn't exist. Teddie is shit like Koromaru. Kanji is the only good character. P4's story is complete utter shit that makes no sense.
The only good girl in the game is Ai and it's a shame she's stuck in a shit game.

2 years and still seething.

>You're therapist vs making a shady deal.
Lol. The Confidants are all the same even compared to 3 and 4; silly and boring stupid shit that isn't even about them anymore (I'm speaking to YOU, I don't wanna hear your past student/Friends life, for god's sake) for 8 levels where someone is being a Saturday morning cartoon character to them and you have to go and mindbreak them in the Meme dungeon

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>seething
Seething

It's funny because nobody wanted to date the teacher in P4

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Copy and pasting a point that doesn't apply to P4 isn't a argument

Not an argument delusional Makotofag

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Gross, Kawakami doesn't have cow tits, she has a beautiful petite chest

Not after she's pregnant with our 3rd kid.

Fair point

Why does she have to be stuck in such a shit game?

Combat was really disappointing in P5. It was way too easy to to become overleveled/overpowered even on hard. Bosses never really challenged you in any meaningful way. Literally every single main boss never got past "OMG I'm powering up for a big attack next turn you better guard" levels of complexity. The only ones that came relatively close to being interestingly complex were Shido first form and Michael.

>Fight shadow Sae
>Use Persona that's immune to phys/projectile
>Become nigh impervious to damage
Even the late game bosses are kind of a joke

To make the combat fun you need to gimp yourself, i hope P5R have some difficulty stuff

Gameplay overall was terrible in p5. Despite having more mechanics none of them are executed well and it's a broken mess of design choices

Looking forward to all the cute new events in P5R. I wanna ride nuts to butts with Makoto on a motorcycle.

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>Despite having more mechanics none of them are executed well
ALL of them were, changing party members mid combat, the ambush stuff, the futaba stuff, you get something for every single situation

>mfw couldn't finish persona 5 because I just couldn't stand how repetitive the dialog was, sometimes repeating the exact same statements 5 or 6 times in a row like I couldn't fucking read or something

>hey joker we should meet up and talk about why person is bad
>at coffee shop they talk about bad person and why they are bad
>2 seconds later joker goes to his room and they talk about bad person over text as if they didn't just talk about him repeating some of the things they said in person
>in school they remind you about bad person in another cutscene
>you should go to bed joker, we just spent all our energy talking at school about bad guy doing bad things

Fuck me. I got to the point where Morgana left the party to find a thot and I gave up.

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>ALL of them were
If you actually think this you are a utter retard.
>changing party members mid combat
Seriously? How is swapping party members good when the whole fucking point is endurance runs. You can literally just swap out moment you have no mp or facing enemies that target a party member weakness. It's casualized garbage
>the futaba stuff
A more OP version of P4G Rise which was already OP. Beyond terrible
>you get something for every single situation
Which is bad. Less broken options in previous games made the combat more dynamic and tactical since you don't have a million free get out of jail cards or early game balance breakers, they didn't even care and try to make the terrible dungeon design and SL abilities work with resource management, the source of all turn based rpgs. It made it null and void.

It does though?

It doesn't

Persona resource managment was always in the early game only, P3 had the teleports and telling your bros to find the stairs, P4 the jew fox (if you did her slink she was cheap), P5 bad thing is that the game is too easy but that can be fixed in the future

I see you're completely new to jrpgs.

I dropped P5 about 25+ hours in. P4 & P3 are objectively better. Especially P4. You only love P5 if it's your first P game or you have bad taste. 5 isn't bad but the atmosphere, music, characters, story etc are lackluster compared to the others. The characters are shallow and Teddy is superior to faggot ass Morgana, man that cat is bad it srsly hurt the game. Also Ann is so incredibly unlikeable I wonder if she translates the same way in the JP version because that is one low IQ roasty cunt.

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>Seriously? How is swapping party members good when the whole fucking point is endurance runs. You can literally just swap out moment you have no mp or facing enemies that target a party member weakness. It's casualized garbage
Fuck off, it allows for better use of party members and strategy.
>A more OP version of P4G Rise which was already OP. Beyond terrible
P4G Rise was far more OP.
>Which is bad. Less broken options in previous games made the combat more dynamic and tactical since you don't have a million free get out of jail cards or early game balance breakers, they didn't even care and try to make the terrible dungeon design and SL abilities work with resource management, the source of all turn based rpgs. It made it null and void.
If you consider the Palaces as terrible I wonder what the hell you think about Tartarus and the TV World since they were all incredibly more boring and bland. And in P%, advancing a SL helped not only with fusion but also gave you some perks for dungeon diving, like Tae's rank 7 giving you Discount and SP Adhesive 3 which can potentially push you to clear a Palace in one day.

P5R really needs some endgame kick you in the balls content bad. And don’t redeem Akechi. Hell, I don’t know how they’d even try that and have Futaba and Haru actually be willing to forgive that piece of shit.

>Teddy is superior to faggot ass Morgana
Fuck you, at least Morgana is cute

It does, though. Naoto has largely the same role Makoto did, Makoto was much better written and more relevant to the plot though while Naoto had to receive some bad case of PIS before joining the party to justify her kidnapping.

So you just want it to be harder even at the expense of quality of life.

>P2 outside of plot

Smt 3 and 4 didn't do this shit.
None of the final fantasy games from 1-10 did this (I didn't play 5 though so I could be wrong)
None of the ps1 jrpgs did this

This must be some modern neptunia type trash if you think I haven't played a jrpg before.

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All Persona games are easy in late game, even in hard mode. Like, P3 was only " artificially difficult" because you couldn't personally control you party members

Yes in 3/4 it gets easier over time but the point is 5 casualized it from the start.

Based and truthpilled

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>Imagine thinking Teddie is superior to any other Persona character

>P5R really needs some endgame kick you in the balls content bad
Thinking about it there is a lack of bullshit secret bosses in this game.
or an equivalent to Monad.

Nah, Kamoshida's palace at hard mode is the hardest thing ever, you have literally nothing to fight against the shadows, on Madarame ot becomes more manageable

>Set Kirijo to Heal/Support
>Marin Karin
>Fails
And she was still one of the most useful party members, her, Akihiko and Aigis, the rest just sucked.

Why not play a real shin megoomi tensei game

>Smt 3 and 4 didn't do this shit.
Nocturne plot was the simplest thing ever, and SMT IV did the same stuff, it even began slow as fuck
>Thinking about it there is a lack of bullshit secret bosses in this game.
The twins

check out this woke ass nigga, he knows

That bitch almost never used charge + skill, i hated her

Did you both didn't fight the Twins in New Game +?

>Fuck off, it allows for better use of party members and strategy.
Nope. It allows you no consequences and guts tactics. Don't be mad p5babby.
>P4G Rise was far more OP
Objectively wrong
>If you consider the Palaces as terrible I wonder what the hell you think about Tartarus and the TV World since they were all incredibly more boring and bland
They have worst level design but superior dungeon design. Besides 5's level design isn't good on the first place
>And in P%, advancing a SL helped not only with fusion but also gave you some perks for dungeon diving, like Tae's rank 7 giving you Discount and SP Adhesive 3 which can potentially push you to clear a Palace in one day
Thank you for agreeing with me that p5 is shit and casualized with bad execution of its mechanics.

Isn't P5 literally just P4 done better though? It's practically the same plot and setup, even the same adachi twist is present in P5.. It's done so exactly that they share the same kind of job type...

Go play vanilla P3 solo mc then you manly man.

And she was still one of the most useful party members just because of the times she could use that skill combination

Aigis and Akihiko were decent support with their buffs/debuffs. Yukari was just boring healbot. Junpei was just brave blade machine but he always misses that shit. Ken and Koromaru are useless.

I want it to be good and not use "QoL" aka mechanical design as a scapegoat to make a shitty game.

So how good is the P2 Duology compared to the modern Persona Trilogy?

Many say that the story and characters are better but the gameplay is pure trash

It doesn't.
>makoto was much better written and more relevant
Makoto is there to spit exposition since she steals all the party. Learn writing p5babby.

Not fun to play.

I’ve played through P3, P4G, and P5. I like them all and think they each do some things better than others, but are overall great games.

Smt iv could have fucking benefited a bit of repeated dialouge because I remember constantly getting lost and having to look up a fucking map because that game was a fucking mess up until you got to the point where you travel to different dimensions and face the white dudes in the forest

Fuck off.

Wrong as fuck. Merciless Kamoshida is a joke. Stop being bad at a casualized game p5babby

I would rather play a good game then talk to p5babbies

I said hard not merciless, Hard is harder than merciless

It's P4 but worse. The cast is complete shit and the story makes no sense.

Nah, Adachi>Akechi.
Metaverse>TVworld
Izanami>Yaldabaoth

>Nope. It allows you no consequences and guts tactics. Don't be mad p5babby.
It's not like you get that tactic from the start, it's the result of completing a confidant that requires level 5 knowledge which is something you should only be able to get by endgame if you're playing properly. By that point, it's trivial, if you're a good Persona player, your MC should be able to decimate everything by himself.
>Objectively wrong
Nope
>They have worst level design but superior dungeon design. Besides 5's level design isn't good on the first place
You're the first person ever who I've seen praising P4's long boring corridors and doors and P3's plain Tartarus over P5's innovative Palace design.
>Thank you for agreeing with me that p5 is shit and casualized with bad execution of its mechanics.
It would be casualized if you had access to that from the start, you don't. Try beating Kamoshida's palace in one day, on hard. It's impossible.

>Izanami>Yaldabaoth
Gnostic God > Red skeleton

An interesting hang over from DDS is that all enemies in P3, P4, and P5 have a hidden affinity to status alignments (null, strong, normal or weak). Against unscanned enemies, your party members in P3 would chose a skill at random, but against scanned enemies they're given knowledge of this hidden affinity (even against bosses and midbosses) preventing them from using skills that the enemy would null. This is why some people have troubles with Mitsuru's marin karin while others don't even notice it.

Stop being not autistic.

Did you enjoy IVA's QoL enhancements such as a better labelled map?

>It doesn't
No argument
>Makoto is there to spit exposition since she steals all the party.
That isn't even her role. Morgana and Futaba do that much more than she does. Really the only exposition heavy part of the game was when they explained the ruse plan.

>Adachi>Akechi.
Akechi had better motives

Red Skeleton>Perfume bottle with a gun

I'm not here to compare either one of them. My main point was that they're carbon copies of eachother. They even have the 'This new party member gets introduced a short while before their dungeon arrives thing. Remember how P3 and the other games dynamically did that shit? Characters like Shinji appeared long before they even became story important. Naoto is the only character in P4 to even appear early on.

Did you even play the game, retard? Merciless is artufucal difficult because you'll be underleved for bosses but you can cheese normal fights by attacking enemies with their weaknesses

>the story makes no sense.
t. brainlet
Hey he had a gun, a bell, a book and some other shit

It actually isn't. It's the same level of difficulty. Because on hard you deal less then merciless and take less. Especially during boss fights they are all easier. P5 has zero resource management and it's just a tutorial boss.

It's probably from that doujin where Joker turns into a shota for whatever reason

Play the game genius

Hard Mode:

Damage received: x1.6
Damage dealt: x0.8

Merciless Mode:

Damage received: x1.6
Damage dealt: x0.8
Critical and technical hit damage on both enemies and allies is tripled.

Firdt time I'll post FPBP and actually mean it.

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>Akechi had better motives
Daddy issues may be more understandable, but Adachi's a better package for a fuck up who got powers

>My main point was that they're carbon copies of eachother
Not true, the P4 cast was reactive. They reacted to the enemies movements until the end.
The P5 cast went through a series of more active and reactive phases. They began by reacting against Kamoshida and then by acting against Madarame and Kaneshiro and so afterwards they begin getting manipulated by the conspiracy until the Ruse plan and etc.

Adachi was just your typical incel.

Holy fuck. I keep forgetting that game exists.
I fucking own a copy, bought it day one but didn't even put it in my 3ds yet because I was playing DQ7 at the time.
Is it any good? I heard it splinters from the neutral ending which is what I got in smt 4

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>Characters like Shinji appeared long before they even became story important.
And that was shit, Ken, Koromaru, Aigis and Shinji just goes and one random day they are in the team

>Is it any good? I heard it splinters from the neutral ending which is what I got in smt 4
It got the best combat ever of all games, but the story is kinda more anime than normal Smt but you can kill your friends if you want

P3 does the same thing though. I think you meet Ken a few months before he moves in.

>Naoto is the only character in P4 to even appear early on.
Rise is the second girl to appear in the game.

Honestly a big part of the Social Links in P3 and P4 were so forgetful....P5 only forgetful SL was Ohya's and even so hers tied directly to the main plot so it was also good in a way.

>you can kill your friends if you want
Can I kill God too?
Jesus user this sounds great. I don't care about a bit of anime fluff. Fuck why do I keep buying jrpgs but then forget to play them. Oh right, because I burn out on trash like P5

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>Can I kill God too?
Yes as in tradition

>It's not like you get that tactic from the start
Wrong. Not only is it irrelevant that you don't get it from the start, the star SL in general is broken.
>it's the result of completing a confidant that requires level 5 knowledge which is something you should only be able to get...
You have to be baiting. Time management doesn't exist in 5 and its beyond easy to raise stats since you get points for doing just about anything. You get it about midgame.
>By that point, it's trivial, if you're a good Persona player, your MC should be able to decimate everything by himself
You decimate everything by default
>Nope
Yep
>P5's innovative Palace design
LOL. They're all linear and horizontally designed, mostly consisting of corridors. Madarame has the painting gimmick which is just a visual effect for two rooms and the tired "pick the right path" warp room cliche. Kaneshiro has you go up a floor to take a down elevator and the rest of it is a linear ass path. Okumura's is nothing but corridors with a few cute transitions to make it feel more dynamic. Sae is yet more corridors with gimmick rooms planted at each end. Shido is literally two decently designed ship rooms and the same couple of corridors copy-pasted over and over again, also a pool. Exploration is incredibly samey with no alt paths or optional routes, puzzles are primitive, interesting environment hazards stop existing after the second dungeon.
>It would be casualized if you had access to that from the start, you don't. Try beating Kamoshida's palace in one day, on hard. It's impossible.
It's casualized as a hole because it exists and badly executed. Kamoshida's palace is a fucking joke to do one day with easy SP restorative items and even easy permanent SP restorative items.

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>LOL. They're all linear and horizontally designed, mostly consisting of corridors. Madarame has the painting gimmick which is just a visual effect for two rooms and the tired "pick the right path" warp room cliche. Kaneshiro has you go up a floor to take a down elevator and the rest of it is a linear ass path. Okumura's is nothing but corridors with a few cute transitions to make it feel more dynamic. Sae is yet more corridors with gimmick rooms planted at each end. Shido is literally two decently designed ship rooms and the same couple of corridors copy-pasted over and over again, also a pool. Exploration is incredibly samey with no alt paths or optional routes, puzzles are primitive, interesting environment hazards stop existing after the second dungeon.
All of that compared to P3 and 4 is heaven

>No argument
That's why you did.
>That isn't even her role
Yes it is. Why are you lying p5babby?
>Morgana and Futaba do that much more than she does
Morganna only exists praise Makoto and Futaba is a deus ex machina

>everyone says this is the best game ever
>ive never played a more boring game and p3/4 are infinitely better

I get the feeling its unironically just redditors saying persona 5 is perfect and flawless. Just like the ps4, the only thing it had is hype. Thats how sony got by. In this games case, p3/4 were so good that everyone expected p5 to be just as good. And yet...

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>easy SP restorative items and even easy permanent SP restorative items.
Which you get WAY after you beat Kamoshida's palace.

>They're all linear and horizontally designed
You're comparing this to other jrpgs. In Persona standards this is heaven since what we got before was a giant hallways.

Sadly I did play the shitty game. That's the fault of the bad game design for having the highest difficultly be the eastest

>t. brainlet
Nice try. The story is completely ineffectual in the same way most Japanese stories of societal change are and the party's victories are pretty hallow. There's nothing stopping the Japanese government from doing shit like this again, Burgerslut's Company is still going to be awful to work for because it's in the company's best economic interest to pay their employees shit and work them to the bone, starving artists will still be exploited by profiteers, etc. The Jungian elements of modern Persona worked best when the "conflicts" (accepting your flaws, 4 and coming to terms with death, 3) were more personal. Attempting to apply the same philosophy to societal issues and hoping for positive change requires fucking magic to make work, because it dismisses the material and social incentive to act like a cockend and attributes these failures to character faults. All the characters are written horribly and the structure is ripped straight from 4 in the first place. The social rebellion theme doesn't even work and dumb fucking literal masks where the designs don't actually inform character and the writing plays things as safe as humanly possible. Ryuji has to be the worst character in fiction with how inconsistent he is back and forth with the Kamoshida arc onwards. The characters are complete dogshit

I can't imagine seething this hard over a 3 year old game.

>P5 SUX
>NO P4 SUX
great arguments homos

>ive never played a more boring game and p3/4 are infinitely better
>P5 boring when P3 is literally do nothing for 29 days then boss fight every single time, and P4 is filled with filler events
?

>Can I kill God too?
Do birds sing?
And it worked

it didn't

>copying posts
Yikes!

>There's nothing stopping the Japanese government from doing shit like this again
There is nothing stopping Izanami from coming back and or another God helping Erebus break P3 seal

I did play the shitty game. That's the fault of the game designers having the highest difficultly be the easiest

Play it again

>I did play the shitty game.
No you did not

>All of that compared to P3 and 4 is heaven
Nope P5 has no resource management.

P3 don't too with teleports and P4 don't too if you're not autistic

P5 is reading 30 minute cutscenes every day. Thats filler. Repeating every day if the phantom thieves will work. Repeating the public opinion. Useless group meetings that achieve nothing or said what was already said. Pointless drama. Canceled events. They dont even have the decency to leave you alone in the dungeons like p3/4. They keep talking every 10 steps to re explain things. It totally disrespects your time and is bloated for no good reason

>Thats filler
No, most of the cut scenes advance the story

>Which you get WAY after you beat Kamoshida's palace.
Death exists and soda so you. You can bypass encounters but the miniboss. He himself is a literal tutorial boss
>You're comparing this to other jrpgs. In Persona standards this is heaven since what we got before was a giant hallways
It's not because at least 3/4 stay true with dungeon crawlers with endurance runs and resource management. You can't skip encounters like you can in 5 because the mini and first bosses with rape your ass.

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Not an argument

I don't play shitty games again

Not an argument

>Death exists and soda so you
Unless you're on NG+ there is no good sp recovering items
>It's not because at least 3/4 stay true with dungeon crawlers with endurance runs and resource management. You can't skip encounters like you can in 5 because the mini and first bosses with rape your ass.
What resource management ? P3 teleports makes it easy and you can skip most floors by making your teammates find the stairs, get to the mini boss room the go back farm a little and go with full hp and sp, as for P4 Yukiko castle is easy if you're not a fusionlet

P3 has you become tried and teleporting simply reverts you back to the first floor. Unless you find a major teleport you can't go back up and you are constantly wasting SP. With the fox it requires money.

>nless you find a major teleport you can't go back up and you are constantly wasting SP.
And that is not hard, you can easily skip floors with your teammates and most of the time the skills don't even waste too much SP
As for P4 the dungeons are short so unless you're literally only using magic it its easy to get to the final floor

>Unless you're on NG+ there is no good sp recovering items
No with death you get a item that recovers SP every turn. So no. P5 has shit time management. They didn't even playtest the game. P5 is a fucking joke on hard and merciless.
>P3 teleports makes it easy
Nope. You get tried easily until midgame and if you skip fights you will be underleveled for the fights. Same for P4.

>like you can in 5 because the mini and first bosses with rape your ass.
Are you confusing this with Vanilla P4?
The bosses are easy as fuck in P5 and you don't even need to worry about exp since it's spread across the entire team.

Yea Forums constantly sucks off Risk of Rain even though it’s exceedingly subpar

>No with death you get a item that recovers SP every turn.
You can't buy that in the early game
>You get tried easily until midgame and if you skip fights you will be underleveled for the fights
No you don't, just skip fights till the mini boss floor the go back and farm
> Same for P4.
Stop using magic for everything

>No with death you get a item that recovers SP every turn.
Death Confidant?
You don't get that until Rank 5 which is WAY after Kamoshida's palace.

Skipping floors results in lower exp gain and unlike 5 death is a possibility. You always are wasting SP because leaving the enemies in a non-knowdown state on hard is a death stance due to much stronger enemies and higher level spells on lower floors. Besides party members can get into fights by themselves and die. P4 as the situation as 3 except you need to use a item.

Stop being a literal retard. Time management doesn't exist in 5 and its due to fortune only

I mean that with 5. You can skip encounters because it doesn't matter

>You always are wasting SP because leaving the enemies in a non-knowdown state on hard is a death stance due to much stronger enemies and higher level spells on lower floors.
You don't even need to enter fights, just send your teammates
>Besides party members can get into fights by themselves and die.
That is rare as fuck
>Time management doesn't exist in 5 and its due to fortune only
Fortune opens on the 2nd dungeon only retard

>its due to fortune only
Which is after Kamoshida. Thanks for proving my point!

>You can skip encounters because it doesn't matter
Yeah go fight the bosses under leveled

>You can't buy that in the early game
Money drops at your feet in 5 due to negotiation.
>No you don't, just skip fights till the mini boss floor the go back and farm
Not possible in 3 and 4. Tired exists and the fox requires lots of cash
>Stop using magic for everything
Magic is always the best in the early game. Unlike p5 where it forgoes that and just makes physical OP throughout the entire thing.

>Money drops at your feet in 5 due to negotiation.
You literaly can't buy cause it opens on a later level of the confidant, stop being autsitic
>Tired exists and the fox requires lots of cash
Tired is non existent after level 10 and P4 dungeons are short so the Fox is only on emergencies, and money is a non issue there too
>Magic is always the best in the early game. Unlike p5 where it forgoes that and just makes physical OP throughout the entire thing.
Stop being trash, Magic is the best till Yoshitune

>Money drops at your feet in 5 due to negotiation.
not a lot.

>You don't even need to enter fights, just send your teammates
And they will get into battle themselves. You will also be underleveled
>That is rare as fuck
Nope
>Fortune opens on the 2nd dungeon only retard
Dipshit. It's not only because of fortune. Maxing all social links is far too easy, you can do so with a month to spare and endgame gives you nothing useful to do but go to the gym or fish. Activities that increase social stats are scattered everywhere and eventually they stack that shit in SL's way too high.

>Money drops at your feet in 5 due to negotiation.
On hard they give you almost less than battle reward money

It's not only due to fortune

Mishisma's confidant is what spreads ep across the team. If you ignore it, like some people do, you'll lose that part of the game. Also, every Persona is a fucking easy game by the end game when your protag should literally be able to solo any content. Chosing hard only makes the intial content hard and that is also true for P5.

Easy. P5 bosses are complete utter garbage.

>And they will get into battle themselves. You will also be underleveled
>Nope
It its rare, the shadows are dumb
>Dipshit. It's not only because of fortune. Maxing all social links is far too easy, you can do so with a month to spare and endgame gives you nothing useful to do but go to the gym or fish. Activities that increase social stats are scattered everywhere and eventually they stack that shit in SL's way too high.
That is way way way way way way way after Kamoshida genius

Here's my two cents, friends.
While Persona t is without a doubt the best looking Persona game (not just from a graphical standpoint, that's pretty much expected), I still like the more simplistic story of Persona 4 best as well as its characters.
On the other side, you have a game like Persona 3 in which the mechanics leave much to be desired. Not to mention it is a downgrade in almost every sense (other than graphical, of course

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>P5 bosses are complete utter garbage.
Yeah no

>the shallow development of characters
P5 had just as much character development as P3 and 4

>says that the game is easy during Kamoshida's dungeon
>keeps mentioning things that happen after the dungeon

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brainlet the post

>You literaly can't buy cause it opens on a later level of the confidant, stop being autsitic
Wrong. There's nothing stopping you from getting to rank 5. P5babbies are retarded beyond belief
>Tired is non existent after level 10
Tried is preserved until midgame. P4 dungeons aren't that short. Both these things + the actual hard encounters make resource management a necessity.
>Stop being trash, Magic is the best till Yoshitune
Magic is pure shit in p5 you fucking retard. You are one of the idiots who complain about the second dungeon boss despite being a joke like all bosses since you don't use swift strike

t. never played any Megaten before
Dumb p5babby

>On hard they give you almost less than battle reward money
After battle? Yeah

>Not only is it irrelevant that you don't get it from the start, the star SL in general is broken.
I for one, enjoy the perks you get for completing a link. It's definitely better than the just normal persona boosts P3 and P4 offered. Made the game more fun and dynamic.
>You have to be baiting. Time management doesn't exist in 5 and its beyond easy to raise stats since you get points for doing just about anything. You get it about midgame.
You're such a fucking liar. I played this game 3 times, two of them being pure NG and not NG +, it's impossible to max knowledgeby midgame if you're actually trying to build up other stats or link up with some more confidants.

>You decimate everything by default
OKay then. beat Kamoshida palace by yourself on hard then.

>They're all linear and horizontally designed, mostly consisting of corridors

Their design and style are above what P4 and P3 had. No pallace felt the same.

>It's casualized as a hole because it exists and badly executed. Kamoshida's palace is a fucking joke to do one day with easy SP restorative items and even easy permanent SP restorative items.

Hey retard. You do know you only get SP Adhesive 3 and discount by Death Rank 7, right? Which is impossible to get before beating Kamoshida, right?

>It its rare, the shadows are dumb
Not its not at all
>That is way way way way way way way after Kamoshida genius
And with Kamoshida the only SL that you should do is death.

>Wrong. There's nothing stopping you from getting to rank 5. P5babbies are retarded beyond belief
You can't reach levle 5 with her before Kamoshida deadline, even worse somehow getting 100k
>Tried is preserved until midgame. P4 dungeons aren't that short.
Stop rewriting story, tired is non issue after level 10 and P4 dungeons are literally just 10 floors, if you are not trash you can do them quick
>Magic is pure shit in p5 you fucking retard. You are one of the idiots who complain about the second dungeon boss despite being a joke like all bosses since you don't use swift strike
Magic is the best till Yoshitune, if you just spam physical against Madarame he will quick your ass

Yea actually. None of the bosses are hard and they aren't interesting in the slightest to fight.

I guess we broke him, lmao. Just watch he backtrack and calim tha tonly Kamoshida was difficult.

Are you actually fucking retarded? Are P5babbies this fucking dumb? These are multiple different things stated.

>Not its not at all
Yes it its, and if it happens your teammates can sometimes kill them alone
>And with Kamoshida the only SL that you should do is death.
You can't reach level 5 before the deadline
Fuck you, the bosses actually had unique stuff compared to P3 and 4 ones

> Maxing all social links is far too easy, you can do so with a month to spare and endgame gives you nothing useful to do but go to the gym or fish. Activities that increase social stats are scattered everywhere and eventually they stack that shit in SL's way too high.
Everything you mentioned here only opens uo after Kamoshida.

He started with
>Kamoshida is easy because of SP items

>I for one, enjoy the perks you get for completing a link. It's definitely better than the just normal persona boosts P3 and P4 offered. Made the game more fun and dynamic.
And they aren't executed well
>You're such a fucking liar.
You are bad at time management in a game that casualized management. This is a common objective complaint that it's too easy.
>OKay then. beat Kamoshida palace by yourself on hard then
Obviously not possible but Kamoshida is not hard to do. You can skip encounters because he's a literal tutorial boss. You only need money for SP items.
>Their design and style are above what P4 and P3 had. No pallace felt the same.
No they barely aren't and the gameplay is what actually matters it's not good there
>Hey retard. You do know you only get SP Adhesive 3 and discount by Death Rank 7, right? Which is impossible to get before beating Kamoshida, right?
Why you dumb brain dead P5babby, you know it's literally not right.

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P5's Kamoshida is not much easier or harder than P3's early Tartarus guardians or P4's Shadow Yukiko. However P5 falls off in difficulty way faster than P3 or even P4. While P4's resource management becomes insignificant by around Secret Base or Heaven (Dungeon 6 or 7), P5's resource management can be reasonably rendered obsolete as early as Kaneshiro's bank (Dungeon 3).

>And they aren't executed well
What does that even mean ? most of the skills are awesome
>but Kamoshida is not hard to do. You can skip encounters because he's a literal tutorial boss.
He will fuck your ass if you go underleveled
>No they barely aren't and the gameplay is what actually matters it's not good there
P5 gameplay is miles better than both p3 and 4 ones
>Why you dumb brain dead P5babby, you know it's literally not right.
Stop being dumb, mementos don't even opens for you to get her level 7 till after Kamoshida
The only hard tartarus guaridan was the white table the rest was easy, and Yukiko is easy in Golden

>You can't reach levle 5 with her before Kamoshida deadline, even worse somehow getting 100k
Yes you can.
>Stop rewriting story, tired is non issue after level 10 and P4 dungeons are literally just 10 floors, if you are not trash you can do them quick
I'm not the one making things up P5babby. Tried is until midgame and you need to fight encounters. How long with try and face objectivity with subjectivity P5babby?
IMagic is the best till Yoshitune, if you just spam physical against Madarame he will quick your ass
It's literally not. Swift strike is how you beat Madarame in like 5 turns.

Don't respond to him he's baiting.

>p5babbies breaking someone who actually knows about the shit game.
In your dreams maybe

>time management doesn't exist
>you are bad at time management
I mean you're right that it's easy but shit man make up your mind

>that casualized management.
Huh? I thought you said that P5 didn't have time management.

Yes and it was worse in its execution even though it had some genuinely good storylines.

>newfag meme
Color me surprised.

>Yes it its, and if it happens your teammates can sometimes kill them alone
No it's not. And that's impressive rng on hard
>You can't reach level 5 before the deadline
Yes you can.
>Fuck you, the bosses actually had unique stuff compared to P3 and 4 ones
Like what p5babby? One throws ink on you? Lol. They are fucking jokes. This is why us Megaten fans hate you. Literally making shit up about your shit game

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>it was worse in its execution
Nah, its slinks and arcs are the same in quality of P3 and 4 ones (some P3 ones were even bad cause they were solved in 2 mins)

OH NONONO P4 CHAD

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>Everything you mentioned here only opens up after Kamoshida.
It was a point to show that time management overall doesnt exist. Stop being dumb

Yes thats true

>Like what p5babby? One throws ink on you? Lol. They are fucking jokes
Compared to P3 and 4 ones that don't do shit ? yes
>This is why us Megaten fans hate you
Fuck off

>What does that even mean ? most of the skills are awesome
They break the game? Is this some sort of meta-trolling going on with P5babbies?
>He will fuck your ass if you go underleveled
He literally doesn't. He's a joke
>P5 gameplay is miles better than both p3 and 4 ones
Lol
IStop being dumb, mementos don't even opens for you to get her level 7 till after Kamoshid
Who the fuck mentioned mementos

What are some good Persona 5 fan fics?

>most memorable ps4 game
not a high bar

Don't bother p5babbies are mentally ill

You know, you're right. Persona 3 fucking sucks.

>And they aren't executed well
Disagree
>You are bad at time management in a game that casualized management. This is a common objective complaint that it's too easy.
Prove it then, that isn't impossible. Show me someone that isn't in NG+ with knowledge maxed out by mid game but with the toher stats and confidants not suffering for that.
>Obviously not possible but Kamoshida is not hard to do. You can skip encounters because he's a literal tutorial boss. You only need money for SP items.
What money, dumbass? Mementos only opens up after Kamoshida.
>No they barely aren't and the gameplay is what actually matters it's not good there
Yes they are. Castle felt different than Museum and Bank. Pyramid as well. And so on.
>Why you dumb brain dead P5babby, you know it's literally not right.
It is, you dumbass. for someone who claims that P5 has no time management (or is it casual) you're really bad at this.

Did you have a stroke?

It's casualized to the point it doesn't exist

>They break the game?
And ? P3P literally broke the game with Party control and P4G with quality of life stuff
>Who the fuck mentioned mementos
You can't reach her level 7 without mementos, holy shit play the game

You do know p4 is the Persona game most despised by Real Shin Megoomi Tensei fans right?

It doesn't since it's casualized. P5babbies have single digit IQ's

>It's a Nitenkiddie.
Oh I see how things are now hahaha.

Who cares?

P5 on switch NEVER EVER, don't forget

>Compared to P3 and 4 ones that don't do shit ? yes
The ones in 3 and 4 can actually kill you, yeah
>Fuck off
Nice try P5babby. Your game will always be a shitty half-baked stillborn child of P2IS and P4. And it's worse than 4. Impressive

>Who cares?

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Must be sad being a Nitendrone and get all excited for P5S when it's literally just a stage play hahahaha. That must be why they're trying to shitpost on every Persona thread on Yea Forums

>Nintendo boogyman
rent free with you fags, but seriously nintendo dropped off after the wii. WiiU was a total flop and switch is about on par with ps4. PC is the only one that is even remotely worth it

>PCfag
Even worse, P5R never ever

By copy/pasting instead of actually refuting the points you've proven that P5's cast is shit without saying anything about P4's. Makoto and Naoto fill the same role but Naoto does it much better.
Naoto has some sort of dynamic with the characters, most notably the Kanji relationship. P5 tries to do this with Makoto being friends with Ann but it's only brought up one other time in a text message (that they were shopping) and doesn't influence anything in their dialogue or relationships. Meanwhile, most interactions with Naoto and Kanji have influence from their backgrounds and Kanji's feelings for her. She struggles with her own issues in her S.Link, whilst Makoto's Confidant revolves around a literal who side character no one gives a shit about, and barely touches her relationship with Sae or her dead father. Yes, the side character is meant to be a foil to Makoto's feelings, but it doesn't really work that well.
Makoto explains the Metaverse for the 5th time in front of Ann and Ryuji, by paraphrasing what she heard Morgana say, and all of them are then dumbfounded by her understanding of it. On Naoto's side, she proposes something constructive by visiting the doctor for checkups after a TV visit, something that isn't astounding genius, but is actually quite smart to do, and she isn't looked at like a diety for thinking of it. Naoto doesn't solve every intelligence-based problem, and even the biggest one is left up to (you). It emphasizes her intelligence by placing her next to Yu in the scene, too. Meanwhile, the twist in P5 is solved offscreen by the group of smarties and Makoto will think of the solution to any simple problem before being applauded.
In short, Makoto isn't better than Naoto, the P4 cast is more dynamic and balanced than P5's, and your opinion is shit.

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>Disagree
Yeah of course you would you hate good game design
>Prove it then, that isn't impossible. Show me someone that isn't in NG+ with knowledge maxed out by mid game but with the toher stats and confidants not suffering for that
There's nothing to prove because it's a fact. Check any form and people are saying it's much more lenient with it's daily life than the others
>What money, dumbass? Mementos only opens up after Kamoshida
The money from personas what else you fucking idiot. I would tell you to play more Megaten but p5babbies don't need to infect actual good games
>Yes they are. Castle felt different than Museum and Bank. Pyramid as well. And so on
No they barely aren't. And the level design is trash.
>It is, you dumbass. for someone who claims that P5 has no time management (or is it casual) you're really bad at this
It literally is not. Are you being dumb on purpose or is this how p5babbies pretend?

>I-I'm totally not a Nitendrone guize h-haha
Hahaha right.

>And ? P3P literally broke the game with Party control and P4G with quality of life stuff
And?
>You can't reach her level 7 without mementos, holy shit play the game
You dont need to reach rank 7 and and you don't need mementos. Are you dumb?

>real
And?

And you like girls. See I can lie about you too

?

Why are you acting like its some kind of limited print one?

>And?
If it was fine them it its fine now
>You dont need to reach rank 7 and and you don't need mementos. Are you dumb?
You can't even open the SP thing before the deadline

No

>If it was fine them it its fine now
It's not at all. Just because the re-releases are shit means p5 should also be shit
>You can't even open the SP thing before the deadline
Yes you can

>Just because the re-releases are shit
Fuck you, P3P is in parts better than P3 and P4G is 100% better than P4
>Yes you can
No you can't, only on NG+

You do know the Kanji - Naoto thing is pure fan headcanon, right? The whole thing never goes anywhere and Naoto herself is just another girl for the protag to bang. It's funny that you brought up Makoto with Ann, they're probably more friends than Naoto and Kanji considering that Naoto never even reached the point of calling Kanji by his first name lmao.
Makoto is also struggling with her own issues in her SL, namely the fact that she feels that her studying was for naught and that she feels lost on what to do in the future.
Naoto has a bad case of PIS that leads her to get kidnapped and for her to not take any simple precaution against it whatsover. P4 also glorifies it's MC too much, even supposedly ntelligent characters like Naoto bow down to the MC because he is just so awesome. Meanwhile in P5, MC is not nearly as wanked, the ruse plan was actual teamwork using what they knew and learned about the Metaverse which was completely unlike the alien manner they discovered Adachi like seriously, the way Yukiko suddenly remembered that he was the last person to see Ms Yamano arrive was extremely pathetic writing.

Tl;dr - your opinion is wrong. It sucks and you should feel bad about it.

>P5 tries to do this with Makoto being friends with Ann
But it doesn't. They apologize for how they treated each other after the Kamoshida situation.
>most notably the Kanji relationship
Why are you comparing a guy and his crush to two girls being friends?

1. TV World and Tartarus absolutely aren't good game design when compared to Palaces.

2. It's a fact that P5 is more lenient because of confidant abilities mainly however the extent of leniency you're arguing for is absolutely retarded.

3. You're an absolute retard, you need to down an enemy to get money from them and even so in the first palace it really isn't even that much. You'd need an ungodly amount of battles to gain enough to buy one SP adhesive. By that point you'd gain more just progressing further in the palace.

4- Yes they are. Better than Tartarus or TV world.

5 - It is. You're completely and utterly retard. It's factually impossible to get the necessary SP adhesives and enough money to buy them to beat Kamoshida's palace in one single run.

>Fuck you, P3P is in parts better than P3 and P4G is 100% better than P4
lol it's not. Worse gameplay
yes you can. You haven't played the game at a efficient level.

>Makoto is also struggling with her own issues in her SL, namely the fact that she feels that her studying was for naught and that she feels lost on what to do in the future.
How does this stop her being nothing but a exposition dump. You do realize that every single post you made has literally proved that p5 has a shit cast? You can't bring it up withoit 4 because it's just a worse version of it

>TV World and Tartarus absolutely aren't good game design when compared to Palaces
They are. Level design is worse but dungeon design is superior. Again p5 is a joke and resource management doesn't exist.
>It's a fact that P5 is more lenient because of confidant abilities mainly however the extent of leniency you're arguing for is absolutely retarded
Its not actually you dipshit p5babby. Only you had to do NG+. No one else did
>You're an absolute retard, you need to down an enemy to get money from them and even so in the first palace it really isn't even that much. You'd need an ungodly amount of battles to gain enough to buy one SP adhesive. By that point you'd gain more just progressing further in the palace.
Before you start calling people retards, maybe play some SMT games
>Yes they are. Better than Tartarus or TV world
Nope
>It is. You're completely and utterly retard. It's factually impossible to get the necessary SP adhesives and enough money to buy them to beat Kamoshida's palace in one single run
It's not. Ranks go by faster than 3/4. You one need SP 1, which only costs 40,000 yen. Play some SMT games some time. You are a genuine mentally disabled retard. Seek help before you hurt someone P5babby

No its not. Theres no story to advance anyway. They think its danganronpa where theres new things and reveals happening with every major encoutner. Persona stories dont start until november and p3/4 respected that by giving you autonomy until then. Meanwhile p5 keeps trying to inflate a story thats not there and forces you to sleep. The one escape from the boring story, the dungeon, is filled with even more exposition dumps. You are fresh out of reddit and it shows, but keep loving it. I wont tell you youre wrong

>Naoto has some sort of dynamic with the characters, most notably the Kanji relationship.
She doesn't. Kanji likes her because she dresses like a dude which fits with his insecurity.

>Naoto doesn't solve every intelligence-based problem
That makes Naoto look even worse.
She's a famous prince detective looking for a serial killer while Makoto is some random student council president that mind fucks people into confessing thier crimes.
>the twist in P5 is solved
It's you and Morgana who notices Akechi's mistake, all Makoto does is locate the interrogation room.
>the P4 cast is more dynamic and balanced
They don't have a dynamic since everyone except the MC is useless. P4fags are the biggest brainlets in this fandom.

>Exposition dump
I really don't remember any situation where she outright was exposition dump outside of the Ruse Cruise. Morgana suffers from that far more.
>You do realize that every single post you made has literally proved that p5 has a shit cast? You can't bring it up withoit 4 because it's just a worse version of it
I was just answering you regarind the Naoto - Makoto comparision. I personally don't hate any of them but I'm not really a fan of how P4 used Naoto or how it's end game worked. All of it felt very contrived for a mystery story. On the other hand the twist of the Pt outplayed the conspiracy felt fresh and understandable.

How long are you gonna drag this argument out?

1 - Tartarus is literally just a square with some shit sprinked in and the TV world is a lot of long ass corridors with some big doors that leads to small ass rooms. All of them look the same too

2 - Now you're generalizing. It's enough to show that you're just shiptosing and has nothing to back yourself up.

3- You retard. Where in the first dungeon will you get enough money to buy 50k worth of SP regen item? You do know that to get money you also have to waste resources right?

4- Yes

5- Ranks go faster because of Fortune which is something you can only unlock later you absolute retard. You can only complete Tae's SL after you have access to Mementos as well. Prioritizing her and gaining rank 5 before Kamoshida's battle is not a good idea, You won't be able to get enough money to buy the damn thing in the first place.

>but it doesn't.
It does. Immediately following their cutscene, there's the text conversation that seems to imply that they're closer friends now. But it's never touched on again and the two barely interact, which leaves you wondering, why bother with the texts?
>why are you comparing a guy and his crush to two girls being friends?
It's about inter-party relationships, not the nature of them. They actually have a sort of interaction that makes group scenes somewhat more interesting
See above regarding the Kanji-Naoto relationship.
Naoto's getting kidnapped was hardly PIS. It was influenced by her insecurities and her drive to prove her strength as a detective. If that's PIS, so is Makoto confronting Kaneshiro, which I'm sure you would argue was actually the result of her previously established character traits. I would agree with that, too.
Makoto's Confidant handles the things you say it does, but it all feels second to the plot revolving around an unimportant side character that's never touched on again. I would have preferred to see some interaction with Sae, or go to locations related to her deceased father, rather than follow a stacy around. Even if that meant locking the last ranks behind story progression, I'd be okay with it. But as it stands, her Confidant is one of the weakest and most boring. It feels like I'm spending time with a different character.
MC being glorified means nothing to me because I'm playing these games as an escape from real life. Being an in-game Chad is very much so acceptable to me. If you feel you can't self-insert as someone that has a baseline intelligence and charm greater than a walnut, that's your problem.

Please stop responding to that guy. Can't you tell that he's baiting you?

Until P5babbies realize their game is utter dogshit. None of the characters are good, the story is beyond retarded, and the gameplay is pure shit
In order to fix p5 you have to change the entire plot from the ground up. A competent story would make either Ryuji or Ann attempt suicide instead of a throwaway character for shock value, but nobody would be comfortable making fun of a guy who nearly killed himself and nobody wants to fuck a girl who has issues running that deep. The game omits consequence in order to preserve value in the characters for future merch. Haru joins a group of people, kills her dad in a dream world, and then he LITERALLY DIES. She has no doubts about these people or internal strife, she just gets sad for a minute. They're not fucking people. The story refuses to give actions consequences and then has the gall to have the characters go "ARE WE REALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING" as the narrative screams "YES THEY ARE" in the background. The bulk of the cast are plot devices because the game is framed in-media res and it's so high and mighty about how "smart" its escape plot is for Joker being in jail. Everything is written and designed for that very moment.

Haru's arc: Phantom Thieves get cocky and do this job, not knowing someone was pushing them to do this and it was unnatural target in a sea of scummy business people.
Morgana: Who cares, nothing he does matters when Makoto and Futaba take over his job
Akechi: Only really exists to setup Joker's incarceration and eventual escape, he doesn't even get a proper resolution to his story arc lol
It's disingenuous, lazy, shitty writing.

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They're baiting each other and wasting their own times. It's how the platform works. Eventually the thread will die and they will begin to forcefully laugh at the other, all while silently seething on the inside because they were actually invested in the argument and too insecure to admit it.

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Agreed. It gets even worse with the "true" ending.

Hurr hurr shoe-horned Holy Grail antagonist like fuck off with that shit durrrr Igor was an imposter bad goy all along.

It's so fucking stupid.

If Ren is redpilled willing to not be a basedboy timid cuck and stand up to thugs for lulz why does he act so neutral the entire game? If you flipped Ren and Ryuji's personalities it would have made a LOT more sense. Most track runners are extremely onions / timid / reserved. Why is Ryuji the redpilled loudmouth extrovert?

Also what the fuck is up with the painter guy's personality? It's so cringe I forgot his fucking name. It's got to be the most painful personality I've ever seen in a vidya character.

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>Tartarus is literally just a square with some shit sprinked in and the TV world is a lot of long ass corridors with some big doors that leads to small ass rooms. All of them look the same too
So? How does this change that the level design in 5 is shit. There is no endurance run tests or resource management
>Now you're generalizing. It's enough to show that you're just shiptosing and has nothing to back yourself up
Are you actually fucking retard. Since the game came out the time management has been called shit for being casualized
>You retard. Where in the first dungeon will you get enough money to buy 50k worth of SP regen item? You do know that to get money you also have to waste resources right?
Play the game you fucking retard. You can stun/daze enemies
>Yes
No dipshit
>Ranks go faster because of Fortune
Wrong. This breaks it but by default ranks go faster up than the previous two
>which is something you can only unlock later you absolute retard.
No shit. I'm seriously wondering if you are genuinely retarded or baiting this hard
>You can only complete Tae's SL after you have access to Mementos as well
You dont need to complete it. Play the game
>Prioritizing her and gaining rank 5 before Kamoshida's battle is not a good idea
See, this is why you have play the game three times to do what we all did on a first playthrough. You are actually retarded. Stop posting and embarrassing yourself.

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>I really don't remember any situation where she outright was exposition dump outside of the Ruse Cruise. Morgana suffers from that far more
She's one since she joins. Play the game
>I was just answering you regarind the Naoto - Makoto comparision. I personally don't hate any of them but I'm not really a fan of how P4 used Naoto or how it's end game worked. All of it felt very contrived for a mystery story. On the other hand the twist of the Pt outplayed the conspiracy felt fresh and understandable
No your copy and pasta proves that the characters in 5 are bad. I mean if 4 is bad that's why 5 is worse. They are clones

You must if you pretend p5 is a good game.

>p4fags don't like a bad game
Maybe its time to be a p4fag

nigger

That's not me. I posted the copy/paste to show how boring and generic your post was.
You literally started sperging out over "n-not an argument!!"

Boring but objective

They interacted just fine, it's just that their interaction wasn't based on dumb gimmicks like Naoto and Kanji. The game did not need to shove on our faces 24/7 that they are better friends now.

>Naoto getting kidnapped was not PIS.

Yes it was. She knew that by appearing on a TV she was making herself a target, as a dectective she should've taken precautions to ensure she would at least have some solid hint on the culprit.

Makoto's case was not PIS, she was never estabilished as a detective or particularly street smart. Just look at how she stalks people.

The entire confidant thing is about making Makoto's Prietess card become upright since it starts reversed. Upright Priestess is defined by following and trusting your instinct, it was by following her instinct regarding Eiko that Makoto was able to discover what she wanted to do with herself.

Interactions with Sae are main story material. They need to be in relatively uneven terms until the 6th palace. There is no confidant where you follow Eiko around, she is literally only there as a character for a few of them. Locking too many confidants behind story progression is bad, it virtually kills some of the pacing and fucks over Romance scenarios.

The problem is when the game is dumbing down the characters around the MC to make MC (and consequently you) feel better about yourself. P4 encourages that with everybody loving the MC and needing his aid and inteligence to solve things. The P5 characters feel more indivudual, they care for the MC and depend on him reasonably but they're not defined by that alone. Rise in P4, is an example of an interesting character that was destroyed because "UGUU MC is SO HOT and GREAT" syndrome

The only emotional / give a shit part of the entireity of Persona 5 was the Futaba arc. Nothing else was all that serious or meaningful in any way.

I didn't even care about P5 cause of the art style. I just watched the anime, but had to youtube some gamers playing past cause I hate waiting a week to find out how the Futaba arc turned out.

Name ONE big emotional moment in any other part of P5. What, the no-name who gives a fuck girl trying to off herself cause an olympian Chad was "raping" her? Fuck off.

Kamoshida was alpha af. Do note that the girls in Japan at that age are LEGAL for sex / relationships. Hence why the game can get away with fucking your own teacher. (Which the anime counts as canon.)

Sure he was a dick, but I bet he had the best varsity volleyball and track teams. If you hate the coach, you fucking quit. I know 99% of this board didn't take athletics, but the coach owns the team, so if you don't get along with the coach you fuck off and do something else.

And yeah it's also kind of a dick move to wanna fuck your students but Kamoshida, being an alpha, had been doing it for YEARS. Remember all the HOT teachers you had? You'd still let them suck and fuck you even if they were cunts or even a bit physically abusive.

Sure these days in other first world countries sexual harassment at work / school is super punishy in terms of not having proof but ALL of Japan is redpilled af and unless these students could prove he was doing shit then he's free to do so.

This thread is a mess

>The P5 characters feel more indivudual, they care for the MC and depend on him reasonably but they're not defined by that alone
No they aren't. Ann opens up randomly to a complete stranger despite chasing after her like a autistic retard. P5's writing and characters are pure dogshit and suck your suck 24/7

Played the game. She isn't. She discusses things with the group but she never goes on and on dumping new lore, especially since she knows about the Metaverse as much as they do.
>They are clones
I disagree. P4 characters are gimmicks who people latch on too because they vicariously live through the MC and want to feel how it is to have a legion of cocksuckers for everything they do. The P5 cast is more soolidifed in regards that similar to P3, their lives are not centered around MC-kun and what he does and doesn't want to do.

Blame the P4fag for shitting it up

Based invisible P4chad

I don't know how you people read these walls of text arguments where people try to convince you that a game you enjoyed was bad, whether it's P5, P4, P3, or any of the others.

Anne was in a desperate situation and she even wonders why she opened up to someone she did not know. One of the answers has MC replying and saying that it was easier because of that and in a way, it makes sense.
On the other hand, Anne has her model job, Mika and Shiho, she feels like her own character more than Rise, who despite her idol job and the whole "who I am" thing basically spends the rest of the story as MC's number 1 cocksucker.

She is. She actively hurts party banter and starts the writer copout of "Makoto will fix it" When do the first 4 cast members say anything relevant. She literally does nothing but spit pointless exposition. You disagree since you are a p5babby. P4 characters are gimmicks just like 5. And no the characters don't have a life outside of the MC

No it doesn't. It's just bad writing. No logical person would act that fucking retarded. What if the person she talked too was in league with Kamoshida. These characters don't act logical. And Ann sucks your cock the moment you meet her.

Fuck off already you seething faggot

1. You're the one saying there isn't. Kamoshida's palace proves you wrong.

2. I've seen multiple people praising the new confidant perks and how they make the game more enjoyable and fun. On the other hand you're the first fag I see complaining about it being casual, which is irrelevant, Persona is already SMT casual edition and P5 was at least an improvement over the extremely casual P4.

3- Stun/Daze enemies for big quantities of money is a tactic only good for certain Mementos bosses and with a high luck Persona, it's absolutely pointless to do that in the first palace you neanderthal.

4- Yes

5- Prove it

6- Discount and SP Regen Patch 3 are rank 7, there is no way to know what you receive in Death rank 7 unless you're spoiling the game and confidant abilities for yourself or using Fortune's special ability but Fortune is available after you meet her in Shinjuku.

>baiting

Pot calling kettle.

7- I beat the game three times because I enjoyed it, retard. And you did nothing of the such unless you spoiled yourself on Tae's abilities like an actual cuck.

Stay mad p5babby

Shows example of her dishing out exposition then. No matter how hard I try I literally can't remember a single one outside of the Ruse Cruise

And party dynamic gets better with her around. Reminder that her, Futaba and Yusuke are the most popular PT members outside of the MC.

Also by the way you're calling me a "P5babby" I deduce you're the same shitposter who is posing as a P4fag and defending it like a retard. This is pointless, you're falseflagging like crazy for what reason? To make it seem like you're not alone?

>logical person
People aren't 100% logical brainlet. Many people are moved mainly by emotions and teenagers are especially geared towards that specifically. Anne herself is not that smart either.

STOP RESPONDING TO HIM

>You're the one saying there isn't. Kamoshida's palace proves you wrong.
Only good level design in the entire game
>I've seen multiple people praising the new confidant perks and how they make the game more enjoyable and fun. On the other hand you're the first fag I see complaining about it being casual, which is irrelevant, Persona is already SMT casual edition and P5 was at least an improvement over the extremely casual P4
You clearly are new. The SL abilities break the game in half, and due to the casualized time management it's easy as fuck to 100% the entire thing. And no P5 is p4 with a worse story and cast with somehow even worse gameplay
>Stun/Daze enemies for big quantities of money is a tactic only good for certain Mementos bosses and with a high luck Persona, it's absolutely pointless to do that in the first palace you neanderthal
It's literally no you stupid fuck? Mementos just have higher money-scaling. You can do it easily to any person in the game
>Yes
Nope
>Prove it
Play the game
>Discount and SP Regen Patch 3 are rank 7
They playing the game. You don't need 3
>beat the game three times because I enjoyed it, retard. And you did nothing of the such unless you spoiled yourself on Tae's abilities like an actual cuck
Yeah makes sense a p5babby would like a shitty game. You don't need to look up a guide for this casualized piece of shit

Naoto isn't allowed to make bad decisions because she's smart, is what you're saying, but you"re wrong because literally everyone makes dumb choices. It was perfectly reasonable and in-character for her to do those things. Her dungeon proves that she was in a mentally rough spot and was struggling with herself, and in that fight, made an irrational decision. I'm pretty sure that Makoto would know not to do what she did if she weren't throwing a fit, as the game heavily implies she is being motivated by her emotions and not reason. Your argument here is overlooking clear facts: Makoto's dad was a police officer and her sister is a prosecutor. She is intelligent and has common sense, and was heavily umder the influence of recent events. It's obvious and overlooking it doesn't make your point valid.
Saying what Makoto's confidant was about doesn't make it good, and it didn't have to involve Sae to be good.
P5 dumbs everyone down to make Makoto look better, for some reason. Rise is fine, liking the MC did not become her only character trait and was not brought up that often, nor did it destroy her characterization. Meanwhile Ryuji AND Ann are ungodly dumb and it serves only to make the other characters look smart for acting with common sense.

>Shows example of her dishing out exposition then
>informs the player of obvious shit all the time in texts
>>Makoto informs the party they need to drop the two Bank ID cards into the slots at the same time
>This needed a cutscene
>SUGOI QUEEN SO SMART

Bioshock Infinite tier """"smart""".
>And party dynamic gets better with her around. Reminder that her, Futaba and Yusuke are the most popular PT members outside of the MC
It literally does not. Ryuji and Ann actually lose braincells as the story goes on. Reminder that p5babbies don't understand writing.
You are a p5babby because you like a shit game and/or it's the first you played.

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Great writing. People defend this shit

Ironically disproves the argument against Naoto's actions with the kidnapper.

>human characters behave like humans
Oh the horror.

>liking the MC did not become her only character trait and was not brought up that often
It did.

Ann doesn't act human. She acts like a poorly written anime character like the rest of them

everyone knows you're lying

That's different. Naoto herself knew what she was getting into, she is supposedly seasoned detective supposedly, she is not a lost teenage girl like Anne or a Book smarts but street dumb girl like Makoto. What she had is PIS, no other way around it.

play the game please, and this time don't hold down the delta button.

Yes, because behaving on emotion is behaving like a poorly made anime character. RL humans act like machines 100% of the time and always follow logic.

Do they plan to port it on PC?

I really can't get any enjoyment from P5 and I don't know why, I played P4 in 2011 and fucking loved it, it was really fun, do I have to hit myself in the head with a hammer to enjoy it or what? The game is so fucking dumb and uninteresting.

Being a poorly written anime character does in fact make you shit who loves to suck the cock of the MC 24/7.

Naoto could've ended the entire game if she just set up security cameras around her house.
I know Inaba is a small town but you would've thought they tightened up on security after an idol got kidnapped.

>human characters behave like humans
oh the horror

>Not the first post from this IP
Stop spamming.

Because it's a bad game with shit storyand gameplay. Play 3

This was my other post

everyone knows you're lying

>informs the player of obvious shit all the time in texts
Every character does that. The redudant texts were a problem sometimes in the game. At least you can jump through them quick.
>Makoto informs the party they need to drop the two Bank ID cards into the slots at the same time
>This needed a cutscene
>SUGOI QUEEN SO SMART
Literally them overhyping her because she was feeling useless earier on. If you as the player try to congratulate only her, she refuses and says everyone worked together. If you congratulate everyone she agrees with you.
>Ryuuji and Ann
Were always quite dumb.
>p5babby
And you are the "p4fag" shitposter and the "PC" shitposter.

So mad

It did though. Rise had a strong start but she was basically MC cocksucker by the end of it
Naoto is allowed to make mistakes, But her mistake there simply does NOT make sense. Makoto is a naive book smart girl who was pressured by the people she knew about being useful, thus she screwed up. Naoto is a detective, she should've know better and at least prepared somekind of contraption to get some clue of the suspect rather than simply offered herself to death.

so you're saying he enjoyed the game?

And that's the problem with Rise. At least Anne never becomes a MC obsessed whore in the main story.

Because everyone in P5 isn't sucking your cock and orbiting around you like god.

*P4

No it's P5.
The P4 cast wouldn't know to breathe if the MC wasn't around.

>Every character does that. The redudant texts were a problem sometimes in the game. At least you can jump through them quick
And Makoto does it the most. She acts like the boss.
>Literally them overhyping her because she was feeling useless earier on. If you as the player try to congratulate only her, she refuses and says everyone worked together. If you congratulate everyone she agrees with you.
How does that change anything. Its just a giant showcase of her shit writing
>Were always quite dumb
They are poorly written but act more so after she joins
>And you are the "p4fag" shitposter and the "PC" shitposter
Not your imagery boogeymen you delusional shitposting retard.

No that's the problem with the Ann. Why are you so obsessed with P4? Ann does nothing but suck your cock. She doesn't have a personality after "MC's cock" and "model

They literally do actually. If you think the story in 5 is good you are actually mentally disabled.

Just like 5? Nice try P5babby

stop samefagging

You forgot the part where Joker was locked up and during that time all the confidants he made tried to help him in various ways

Stay mad P5babby. You can't counter these points

During that time is the entire shitty game

I don't wanna respond to your shitty bait. You've been at it for 8 hours user go take your meds.

>bait
Not an argument.

She's the advisor of the group, canonically.
>showcase
It's a showcase of Ann and Ryuji being sensitive since Makoto was beating herself over being useless earlier
>poorly written
being dumb =/=being poorly written.
>I-I'm not him
kek
*Rise

At least Rise isn't a huge slut like Ann. She's a pure girl with morals.

>>She's the advisor of the group, canonically
Great writing. Despite:
>blackmails her way into the team
>proceeds to get you dragged into a fight with a mob boss by barging into his lair and confronting him unarmed while his goons were near him
>acts bossy the rest of the game despite having done fuckall for the team
>then causes the writing to get worse because everyone had to suddenly become retarded so she could be the "smart" one
>gets a motorcycle persona like the special snowflake mary sue she is
She's allowed to be the boss Yeah no. She isn't the advisor she's just a bad crutch character for a hack writer.
>It's a showcase of Ann and Ryuji being sensitive since Makoto was beating herself over being useless earlier
More like bad writing and the first of many times she gets her cock sucked
>being dumb =/=being poorly written
It's both
>kek
Yes not your imagery boogeymen
>Rise
Yes Ann is a terrible character who does nothing but suck your cock. Why are you so upset about p4. Nobody has said anything about p4, only you did. I guess when you can't counter truth you simply deflect but this so fucking sad. Grow up.

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oh god now you're using the same images...

Not an argument

Being advisor =/= being the boss
>despite having done fuckall for the team
Forgot about the Ruse Cruise? It was mainly her and Futaba's joint work.
>proceeds to get you dragged into a fight with a mob boss
Reminder that the Thieves already had made up their minds to see Kaneshiro as a target when they learned what he was doing.
>More like bad writing and the first of many times she gets her cock sucked
Not really. It mostly happens in that palace. When she settles down with the group they become more natural around her.
>Yes Rise is a terrible character who does nothing but suck your cock
Agreed.

Haha yeah

>should have
and Makoto should have not confronted Kaneshiro. It was an irrational decision with not much thought behind it. Naoto is not seasoned, she's an immature kid that struggles with her identity. Her mistake is reasonable, especially in the context of a fictionalized video game world.

She is the so called detective prince. She certainly has a good quantity of cases on her belt

The World Ends With You is an example
>came out over a decade ago
>had 0 staying power
>heavily panders to young kids/teenagers at the time
>was actually not nearly as good as anyone remembers it being in the story or gameplay department
>every single one of its fans also coincidentally vehemently hates P5

It was basically the P4 Golden of the 2000s

>Forgot about the Ruse Cruise? It was mainly her and Futaba's joint work.
Something that happens long after and stop saying ride cruise it's a poorly written plot segment
>Reminder that the Thieves already had made up their minds to see Kaneshiro as a target when they learned what he was doing
How does that change anything. She starked the events that led you go almost dying. She's a complete fucking retard then acts like the boss
>Not really. It mostly happens in that palace. When she settles down with the group they become more natural around her
Yes really. She is like a shitty isekai protagonist. If people are not busy sucking her ass they constantly ask what she's doing or how they need her.
>hurr there are 2 switches next to that door, I bet if we press them both we can open it!
>wow makoto, without you we would've been stuck
Great character. Oh wait she doesn't have one at all.

Yes Ann is a terrible character who does nothing but suck your cock. Why are you so upset about p4. Nobody has said anything about p4, only you did. I guess when you can't counter truth you simply deflect but this so fucking sad. Grow up.

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Have you not been paying attention to this entire argument?

>Kamoshida was the peak
Is there any more immediate indication that someone's opinion shouldn't be taken seriously at all?

That you actually think P5's writing is good and is beyond delusional.

>hates P5
>but continues to use reaction images from it.

Yeah:
>I think p5 is a good game

I mean it was notably better than P3's and P4's

It wasn't.

So?

incredible game, enjoy it. 3 is just as good, if not slightly better. only subhuman turds prefer 4, and people who claim they like 1 or 2 are lying incels

>Something that happens long after and stop saying ride cruise it's a poorly written plot segment
Because you didn't understand it.
>How does that change anything.
It proves that you're a fucking retard
>She is like a shitty isekai protagonist
not an argument
>Great character. Oh wait she doesn't have one at all.
still not an argument.
>Yes Ann is a terrible character who does nothing but suck your cock.
Not an argument.
>Why are you so upset about p4
Wow so you're not just mentally ill but you're also illiterate.
God stop posting and take you meds already bro. It's honestly pathetic at this point.

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>incredible game, enjoy it.
Yeah if you ignore the bad gameplay and story

>posts DQ11
>the babiest first DQ and the easiest in the entire series

I guess i finally broke him, huh?
At least this thread can finally die now.

Well, TWEWY is miles better than Persona 5. It makes sense.

>bad gameplay and story
dank memes
both are probably miles better than in anything you enjoy personally

Fucking please. The first week is generally worse than even P4's complete nonsense. There's no sense in comparing it to P5.

>Because you didn't understand it.
I did. It wasn't good
>It proves that you're a fucking retard
If I was a retard I would be prasing 5
>not an argument
It is because her cock is rock hard from all the sucking
>Not an argument
It actually is. What is Ann's character and beyond MC cock and model
>Wow so you're not just mentally ill but you're also illiterate
Yes p5babbies bring 4 since they are majorly asshurt over it. Nice try though. But the mentally disabled like yourself will never win
>God stop posting and take you meds already bro. It's honestly pathetic at this point
No need, p5babbies couldnt counter truth. Fucking sad

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What? Its not the easiest with hard mode

you haven't played the others have you?

Not a meme. The game is terrible. It isn't miles better because it's total trash. Never once does it do anything novel or well-executed in terms of puzzles or combat. It actively avoids doing anything that would damage marketability and even writes things counter to its own themes in order to do so (gotta create a character to try to commit suicide, if any of the party members did that it might not be as marketable!). It doesn't even start adding proper strategy to boss fights until the very end of the game. It just steals everything from the previous games. What the fuck do people see in this?

>couldnt counter truth.
Fuck the truth. The only thing i need to counter is your ass with my cock
>p5babbies
why do you keep bringing up babbies? What does that have to do with Persona 5.
>What is Ann's character and beyond MC cock and model
Kamoshida's bitch
>If I was a retard I would be prasing 5
not an argument.
You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

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Played every DQ but X (obviously) and 9. It's not the hardest but not near to the easiest. The fact it makes you unable to power level by default makes it not the easiest.

Why the fuck are you always spamming?

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>Fuck the truth. The only thing i need to counter is your ass with my cock
Not an argument
>why do you keep bringing up babbies? What does that have to do with Persona 5
That's who are the people who pretend 5 is good and played it as their first game
>Kamoshida's bitch
Wow
>not an argument
It is. Saying I'm a retard is wrong. Because it's the opposite

>pointing out flaws in a shit game is spamming

Pretty much as soon as the switch rumors on social media collapsed in on themselves there was a surge of P5 hate threads, just like there was after the Sony logo in the P5R teaser. This thread for example is the result of someone being assblasted that some random fuck from Kotaku cast doubt on the Best Buy "Leak"

Not an argument

>Not an argument
It is. The truth is that you're hungry for some good dick. Now be a good boy and spread your ass cheeks.
>That's who are the people who pretend 5 is good and played it as their first game
heh pathetic.

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>It is. The truth is that you're hungry for some good dick. Now be a good boy and spread your ass cheeks.
Literally not an argument
>heh pathetic.
That's what p5babbies are.

It's been getting hate threads since it came out

>since it came out
since it got popular*

Yes since it came out. Okay

It is an argument!
I'm getting sick of arguing with you if you're not gonna submit and swallow my seed then i'll have to do it by force.

>That's what p5babbies are.
The only baby here is you. Now get on your knees and beg for daddy.

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>It is an argument!
It's literally not argument.
>The only baby here is you. Now get on your knees and beg for daddy
If I was a baby I would like p5. That's not the case as they have the mental capacity of toddler

>If I was a baby I would like p5
What does that have to do with P5?
Swallow my cock and take my seed you fucking idiot.

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>What does that have to do with P5?
It's a bad only toddlers like. Ergo they are p5babbies.

Heh so now you’re just playing hard to get?
Don’t worry when I finally get a hold of your address then your tight little ass belongs to me.

Not an argument

>How can one game be so damn good?
Because you have low standards and anything that isn't complete shite seems good to you.

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Based

Fuck off already. Let this thread die.

I guess he finally fucked off

Nice try P5babby

Fin

Nah, TWEWY is an actual game compared to P5.

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Nah. The World Ends With You still holds up incredibly well.
t. played it two years ago

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Good taste

>TWEWY starts off one note but gradually gets better and better
>P5 peaks at Kamoshida and gets worse as the game goes on
Seems right