Classic WoW thread

thanks fren

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the private wow communites are thriving. tons of original memes, videos and drama.

>Youth
Youth was me being a dumb kid and playing a 3 minute PoM Pyro Gnomish Mage and literally not having any idea how to win fights outside of that. I didn't get to experience raids because I was told by parents to not talk to strangers. Now I'm an adult with an actually developed brain so I can get more into PVP and raids instead of just dicking around helping people (poorly) do dungeons now and then.

>you'll never have the old community back
So? People seem to have these idealistic versions of how things were back in the day but people were still calling each other nigger faggots, blowing people off when it came to helping them and stealing shit every chance they got. It is always within your grasp to make a new community, one that's good. Especially in an MMO.

>you'll never have a no-guide ecology back
Yeah people will use guides but do you think people weren't sharing information with one another back then too? There's no guarantee people will even utilise class guides or raid guides. If you need an example of this look at FFXIV and how pubs still manage to fuck up with all of the guides in the world avaialble to them.

Orc Shaman or Dwarf Paladin. Both are alright. If you're playing Shaman consider Tauren also.

All that will be left after the nostalgia tourists leave is a small and autistic community of minmaxers who have played the game on private servers for years.

I don't know. I guess they're just ignorant nuwow zoomers who think wikis and guides were invented in [the expansion they got into].

Bros, I'm fucking excited. So fucking excited.
I don't think you understand my mindset for how I want to play. I'm going to go so fucking slow and steady. I'm going to read quests instead of blazing through them. I'm going to actively enjoy doing my professions. I'm going to only make Trolls, despite enjoying PvP (Trolls are meh in PvP compared to the rest of the horde races) because I just love WoW Trolls so fucking much.

We're all gonna make it bros.

Troll if you want to focus on PvE. Orc for PvP. Tauren is just a meme with horrible animations. I've cleared naxx as shaman class leader.

I can't wait to see Classic thrive for months and eclipse this embarassment of a "game" people call Retail WoW. I can't wait to dump my folder of screencaps of coping Retailbabs and XIVtroons.
I can't wait to go home, bros.

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Thanks frens

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>tfw i don't know what class and race to play
what classes were fun back then? give me some suggestions lads
might go mage or warrior but i aint sure

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>tfw things like this will never happen again

Absolutely based
Retail cucks in shambles

What's the point of classic? Tell me, truthfully, what the point is.
Classic has enough content to last you a few months. Let's be generous and say it lasts you an entire year (That is overly generous and you fucking know it), you've spammed the final few raids over and over and over and over again.
What then? You will never get TBC content afterwards. You'll never get Wrath content.
What's the fucking point?

you're right, it's going to be even better

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GUYS I'M LITTERALLY GOING TO CAUSE SO MUCH SHIT IN CLASSIC. I'M GOING TO MAKE BOTH HORDE AND ALLIANCE SUFFER. I'M GOING TO BE SO UNCONTROLLABLY NAUGHTY. I'M GOING TO BE LIKE CHAOS UNLEASHED. I'M GOING TO BE SO CHAOtIC THAT IF I ROLL PALADIN I'LL GET MY OWN EXCLUSIVE BUFF, BLESSING OF CHAOS. IT'S GOING TO BE INSANE MY DUDES. I'M COMING FOR YOU ALL. ALL OF YOU. THIS IS YOU, THIS IS MY IMPRESSION OF YOU

oh dude I'm just playing comfy wow vanilla haha this is a good timooohhhnoooooooooo

AND THEN I JUST FUCKING KILL YOU. GO ON, RUN ALL THE WAY! GO ON! RUN BACK TO YOUR CORPSE! SEETHING AND CRYING ALL THE WAY! I AM GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST NAUGHTY TROUBLE MAKER OF THEM ALL! CHAOS. PURE, PURE CHAOS. I CAN'T KEEP IT IN ANYMORE. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE. LAKESHIRE? MORE LIKE IT'S -FUCKED- SHIRE.
THE CROSS ROADS? MORE LIKE WE'RE FUCKED ROADS.

IMAGINE BEING YOU GUYS. IMAGINE ACTUALLY BEING YOU GUYS. -IMAGINE- ACTUALLY BEING YOU. HOLY FUCK. YOU'RE SO FUCKED. I AM GOING TO FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, AT LEAST ONE. I'M ALREADY PRACITCALLY LEAKING CHAOTIC ENERGY. IF, and ONLY IF, you reply to this post BEFORE the THREAD DIES with "please god NO. PLEASE GOD NO" I MAY allow YOUR CHARACTER TO LIVE. WHO KNOWS! MAYBE I WILL! MAYBE I WON'T! I'M JUST TOOOOOO NAUGHTY! HEHEHEHEHEHE

I MAY GIVE YOU MY BLESSING, I MAY NOT. DEPENDS IF YOU'RE NAUGHTY ENOUGH. IMAGINE NOT BEING CHAOS PILLED IN 2019+ TAX. IMAGINE. I AM CHAOS. GOD I CAN FEEL IT. I CAN FEEL THE TURNING POINT. ENTIRE PEOPLE TURNING TO ANGER, HATE, AND CHAOS, FORMING ENTIRE RAIDS TO KILL ONE ANOTHER. I WILL WATCH, AS THOUSANDS DIE, THOUSANDS LAY WASTE TO EACH OTHER. TRUE. UNFILTERED, CHAOS.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.

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My nigger, that's the way I'll go too. Still undecided between Orc and Troll myself because I love the two equally.
All classes are fun in some way user, they all have their own subtleties and synergies.
Pick whatever you think sounds the coolest and most appropriate for (you).

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>I'm going to read quests instead of blazing through them
you're only going to do this the first day or two

>that sound of a pen scribbling as you're reading the quest scroll

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ty user. i guess i'll have it figured out closer to release

Best profession for some passive income after I level'd? Literally craft on cd tier.

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Tauren animations aren't bad, what are you talking about? Troll animations on the other hand are dog shit. For raiding you probably won't be an enhancement shaman. You won't be an elemental shaman either. Berserking is completely inconsequential for healing. You will clear content regardless and being a troll shaman isn't a requirement for PVE like dwarf priests may be.

So you're gonna be resto in raiding. That means Berserking isn't going to have an effect on your DPS because you won't be DPSing. When you consider its based off of health (40% HP), it's 10 seconds duration and you constantly cancel casts to make sure you're not overhealing the value of it is seriously put into question. You can resto as any of the three races. You are a detriment to your raid team if you go ele because you constantly have to down rank, spend a fuck ton of consumables and still wind up low DPS. The only circumstance in which you may go enhancement is nightfall botting and other classes such as hunter and off tanking warriors literally do it better. You won't be taking up a debuff slot using Stormstrike. Nobody is doing nature damage. Axe specialisation is handy in any case.

Now lets look at PVP. Nature's Swiftness considered you could easily get some good use out of Berserking in ele/resto spec by popping it while you're at that threshold and instantly healing yourself back up. Rest of the racials are meme but at least Berserking is flexible.

Blood Fury is useless to casters, Resto and Elemental. This changes in TBC but that could be 2-3 years away. Using Blood Fury in PVP is akin to suicide on a class that heals itself. So you're looking at some really weird usage and even still enhancement sucks balls outside of 1% crit windfury procs because you get kited by everything. On the bright side you shit on other ele shamans.

War stomp is a 2 minute cooldown 2s aoe stun on a class that completely lacks hard disables. Calling that a meme is dumb. Nature's Resistance is useful for PVE and PVP, Endurance can make the difference in clutch situations, Herbalism makes it easier to gather high end herb nodes.

Hardiness is realistically your only selling point and RNG is RNG, not to mention it doesn't apply to the myriad of other disables in the game. It's not something that can be relied upon. Premades will have you go spellpower over crit simply due to the reliability of higher damage over crits. Winning or losing a fight over RNG feels lame and ain't my kind of playstyle.

Berserking may be good but yeah against a stun resistance or a stun it comes out a bit behind.

You can make an argument for any of the three races for Shamans. They are all pretty decent in their own ways. I feel like people are overly reliant on Orc's hardiness for PVP and given how private servers have handled things like this in the past matched up with the fact that no one was bitching about them as hard back in the day I'd say something doesn't add up on private servers and their take on Hardiness. Also consider that it's resisting fucking incapacitate effects like grenades and somethings gotta be up.

Berserking will get you up to 30% faster cast speed which can save many lives. I used it plenty when playing resto sham. Alot more important than literally nothing that an orc shaman would bring to a raid as far as racials go.

>You will never get TBC content afterwards. You'll never get Wrath content.
Where has this been confirmed?

Mentioned it in the other thread, but I plan on going enchanting for the first time. Any tips/advice regarding that?

oh dude I'm just playing comfy wow vanilla haha this is a good timooohhhnoooooooooo

Expect to pay through the ass to upgrade you runed rod, because it costs boatloads.

Probably Alchemy. People ALWAYS need consumables and you can sell an arcanite cooldown for free gold. Maybe Tailoring. Can always make bags and there'll be fuck loads of cloth around, means you can just take up engineering or herbalism or whatever.

Is levelling ally really as bad as they make it out to be? Been horde my whole life but thinking of a human warrior to change things up, I just hear bad things about the people on ally , the levelling route ect..

>takes a long sip
we're all going to return home, there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do to stop it.

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Can't wait to run BRD a million times again only to never finish it because nobody has time for a 4 hour dungeon

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>Any tips/advice regarding that?
dont. you wont have the gold to keep the skill up as you level. the only profession that works while leveling is skinning. every other skill will get left behind around level 20ish unless you actively try to keep them up to date.

I mean it's not like there isn't good parts to the levelling too. People's biggest complaint is often that they wind up in contested zones a lot sooner which won't matter if you're running with the rest of the initial crowd.

just be selective in which bosses you want, the reason why emp runs exist.

As a warrior I'd say war stomp is better because if you don't trinket it, you're eating a 10k lightning and there's nothing you can do. You have to interrupt it. Stun resist is annoying but you can deal with it.

Alliance have an easier time leveling than horde does. Their zones are more fleshed out since Horde was rushed at the end of development. They are always statistically higher levels on private servers after a launch.

I mean it ain't a bad idea to take Herbalism either. It's something you will actually keep at the end game.

i thought i wanted classic wow

but this massive wait has give me the time to realise i dont

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And when you trinket it is when the frost shocks and earthbinds start to happen and he kites just outside your mortal strike and chucks a NS HW on himself.

It's unironically the best part. It's along grind, but also really enjoyable. The only time where I'd say it gets boring is at the 50-55 level range.

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herbalism is a god tier profession. but it's impossible to skill while you level. unless you want to spend 3x the amount of time on each zone looking for flowers.

who the fuck wants to play horde
literal mudhut niggers eating KFC in their designated nigger KFC huts in the middle of every zone (complete with every vendor, more quests then alliance and FP ofc oh and sometimes there is even a zeppelin or free transport thrown in) while chimping on anything that moves in numbers only despite rolling for pvp racials but never actually 1v1ing to use them
then porting into their literal mudhut nigger KFC city called "orgrimmar" more like ogreshit lol blizzard literally took some somalian shithole town and copy pasted it into wow to give that authentic nigger feel to the faction le monster races br0 check out these NO SHOES so whacky better name myself something fucking retarded like boogerbones to fit in btw get owned kid totally bg queued out of that 1v1 close one
you want a sick capital city to afk in br0? take your pick :

- literal sewer shithole with aids and feces everywhere
- some fucking retarded canyon thing where you fall off and die
- literal nigger kfc somali city

NO

SHOES

NO SHOES
N O S H O E S
N I G G E R

FUCK YOU HORDE NIGGERS

You know what, I'm just gonna ask.
Is there ANY fucking benefit to being Alliance? Everything I've looked at, everything I can remember points to them just getting shafted. I know some of these things I mention are minor but that's just it, horde has all of these minor benefits here and there and alliance doesn't have SHIT as far as I've seen. Here's just a few things I can remember off the top of my head
>Horde get more easily accessable early game instances
>Horde get direct access to Savory Deviate Delight recipe
>Horde get a mid game quest to get a better quality mid game fishing rod (no such thing exists for alliance)
>Horde racials seem straight up superior to alliance
>(Personal taste - Horde questing zones are 10 times better than alliance ones, and horde towns are 10 times better than alliance ones too)

What the FUCK do alliance get to compensate?

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Ty anons, set on a human warrior now. Even more excited for classic now as it'll be a change and something for new to me even all these years later, never levelled an ally before

MMOs as a genre might be the biggest amount of wasted fucking potential any single industry has seen. Honestly you have every chance and tools to make and create a virtual living world, as large as your imagination could go, with actual real people inhabiting in it yet we haven't gone anywhere in terms of actual innovation since 2004.

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Fair, this may happen but I feel as though healing is very proactive with people cancel casting a bunch so heals will come through before your Berserking becomes much of a factor. I've also been curious how effective berserking can be in PVP as ele/resto considering you could simply NS HW yourself to full when you've reached the threshold. Usually Berserking is scary to rely on. But as a Hybrid? Imagine those fucking LHWs coming out.

I usually stay on them pretty well, using piercing howl or intercept if I have to. Which is why stun resist isn't that big of an issue.

Paladins are broken.

It's not fun after all these years. But since we dont have openworld MMOs anymore I guess people will have to settle for classic

Paladins are infinite mana healers with amazing raid wide buffs. pretty much unkillable in pvp as well.

>Wanting shoes
What a gay lord
NO SHOES PRIDE HORDE WIDE

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Why bother when people settle for less
Our last hope is Star Citizen

>Our last hope is Star Citizen
please dont tell him. let this poor man live in his blissful innocence just a bit longer.

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I've played classic, it's not gonna be that great. I think everyone will be burned out before 40.

In any case I think I can say this. We're Horde, we don't have to deal with Orcs and their stun resistance outside of dealing with mongoloids who spend their entire end game sitting outside Orgrimmar dueling people once every 15 minutes with all of their cooldowns up. War Stomp is fucking sick with its 0.5s cast time and when you think about it gives your healer bro time to land some heals when you're low whether in PVE or PVP.

Will you be playing PVP server user? Are you gonna be on EU? I'm dying to have a warrior bro.

i'm always disappointed with these gentlemen that come in here with their non-arguments, try to rain on our parade. Why do they have to be flustered at the fact that we're going home? Whomst in their right mind wishes others to never return home?

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I guess it depends on how hard you wanna go at leveling. You're saving time later on I guess.

YOU JUST KNOW

The only craft on CD profession is Alchemy. Arcanite transmutes are always in demand during vanilla because of how much is needed for Arcanite Reaper and Lionheart Helm

Imagine the smell

ITS BEEN A LOOONG TIME

GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE

>458266435
YOU

you can try but you're going to give up once you reach barrens

>What then? You will never get TBC content afterwards. You'll never get Wrath content.
cope, TBC is an obvious next step if classic does anything other than instantly bomb

I'm gonna be on pvp, but on Alliance side. So I'm gonna be dabbing over your lifeless corpse unfortunately.

easy mode raiding.

Just take a look at how often like 9 of the first 10 places were occupied by alliance guilds. Paladins are braindead easy and their buffs are OP. Becomes a lot less of a fucking factor in PVP though when they just get purged instantly.

>niggers with no shoes, no technology - literally aboriginals from Australia

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Sounds like you just like the sound of Horde a lot more. Follow your heart bro. You'll kill it for yourself if you force yourself to play Alliance 'just cause'

I have never done a full BRD clear and I don't know anyone that has

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Nigger I love KFC.

>tfw excited for both 8.2 and Classic
It feels nice to be able to enjoy things.

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I did once, it took 4 hours and god knows how many repairs because we were all 52-54 and never been in there before.

>cheap shot -> hemorrhage -> gouge -> hemorrhage -> cold blood + eviscerate (guaranteed 2k crit)
>80% of players are dead and couldn't even escape stunlock

can't wait to dab on every horde nigger I see

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I never played WoW, when that game out I was all in FF11 at the time. I like to play tanks what are the tank classes like in wow?

>Enjoying Hey we have made more mounts and pets for you to buy off the store!... oh yeah we made a content patch but that doesn't matter just buy my pigs~!

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I don't understand how retail can get you hyped but I respect that bro. Enjoy.

fucking dwarf nigger

not trying to be a faggot here, genuinely curious, do you think 8.2 is enough to save bfa? none of it looked very interesting to me

>Resist stun
You better blind or i'l gonna orc your ass bitch

>No Kidney Shot
Well uhhh
*Pops poison cleanse totem and natures swiftness heals to 80% HP*

>trinket cheap shot, scatter shot, feign/ice trap, aimed shot, kite, dead

>Don't resist stun
>Die
nice luck based racial bro. talent.

I don't get the last one

>Implying i won't
Better sprint tranny human

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i love how orc niggerlovers think 30% is somehow 90%

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I'll just pop Nature's Swiftness Healing Touch and then pop into bear or use Nature's Grasp and Faerie Fire. Good luck.

>Luck based
Its going to feel like a 75% chance to resist when you actually play against it.

BFA is a slot machine and even more RNG than any patch
Classic is sharded and that is everyone most hated thing so far

I'm playing Tauren Shaman so I'll never have to deal with this shit anyways.

lmao

Classic isn't sharded.

There is only once choice, laddie.

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Classic will flop, dead on arrival.

Horde > Alliance
Shaman > Paladin
Fury > Prot for tanking

How did PvP trinkets work in Vanilla?
Was resilience a thing?

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>Sharded
You realise this is only for the starter zones so 200 people don't sit around the same quest objective and get nowhere because they're too retarded to just move on and grind right

I love how all alliance paladins wear dresses and pretend they are "deyass Vahlut".
Better bubblehearth or you will die to the many rogues and warriors going to lift that skirt!

They were equipped in the trinket slot and had no stats... 5 minute cooldown, no such thing as resilience

I hate tanking. Will I be bullied into tanking if I roll a warrior? I've always liked warriors but I'm thinking of just rolling a rogue if it means I can just dps

Broken private server values leading to them resisting even fucking incapacitates will do that to you. We'll see on Classic.

It was an actual trinket slot, hence being a trinket. Resilience came later as a way to differentiate between pvp and pve gear

Each PvP trinket was unique to a class and only worked against 3 loss of control effects

>He doesn't worship Hakkar
lmao@ur life
The fucking Soul Flayer comes, cunts.

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Thanks, bro. But I understand if you don't understand if you also think retail is just
The reason why I'm excited for 8.2 is because I'm a big M+ fan and I like pushing that stuff as far as I can and there is a big gnome-themed dungeon like Gnomeregan coming out that could be split into 3 regular dungeons, but that's just one of the things I'm excited for.
Honestly, I don't see why BfA needs saving in the first place. I've enjoyed my time playing it and I've barely had to do Warfronts or Islands, which is the casual content everyone seems to hate so much.
Anyways this is a Classic thread so I don't want to go into any details about BfA. I'm pretty excited about Classic because me and a few buddies are all going to play stealthers and have fun by just taking it slow, questing and world PvPing. It's going to be great.

No proof of them saying it's only the starter zones
It was left open ended on purpose and knowing Nu-Blizzard they do that so they can lawyer out of them making shit dissensions.

oh no I have to use blind, you're still dead orc nigger

*dies before you can even pop a totem*
gg shaman shitter

>ice reflector
>you freeze yourself
gg huntard shitter

>implying you'll have a chance to heal
lmao nuwow faggot doesn't know what a stunlock is

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Hemo into eviscerate isn't a stunlock you idiot. You're leaving me a window to use one ability.

You do realize most people don't group up in the starter zones?

>The only craft on CD profession is Alchemy
?????????
>what is mooncloth
>what is cured rugged hide

This. You classic cucks are going to be damage controlling hard when Blizzard comes out and says Sharding is a thing everywhere.
They will never answer the question straight because they know this and you know it too, you're just too cucked to accept it.

Who said anything grouping up
the fuck you on about

Unless the sharding is extreme exploration leveling out of the first zone is definitely the way to go.

Thanks. Now that I think about it why did they remove it?
Ah I thought I heard that somewhere. So some classes just can't evade stuns, weird.

>Horde > Alliance
don't even know where to begin with this one, i'll answer it in the next.
>Shaman > Paladin
Blessings, seals, immunities, efficient crit mana battery healer> threatboosting melee totem, niche aoe specialist healer
>Fury > Prot for tanking
in most cases for progression deep prot is better, but yes, fury is more threat at the expense of survivability, which is obviously better if you're a hordenigger with no salvs

You're that same faggot yesterday that was pretending to be retard for half a thread
Get out of here dipshit

On the off chance you're spamming an ability under the assumption I'm not going to stunlock you, I'll just blind your nigger ass. You'd only have a window of .5 seconds

>Ion explicitly said that realms should have only one Kazzak and everyone should have the same thoriums veins
>yet sharding will be everywhere
Retards, all of you.

Exactly. No one cares about grouping in starter zones.

>*dies before you can even pop a totem*
>gg shaman shitter
okay sure when i'm level 40 and you're level 60. Makes sense.

>Shaman > Paladin

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>schizophrenic copecel
lmao

cope

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Again... WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THIS UP WHEN NO ONE SAID ANYTHING THING ABOUT GROUPING UP?

Why is it every time we have these threads there are tons of retail people trying to convince classic people that their thing is bad and the other way around?
What is anyone trying to achieve.

>Hear about 8.2
>Start to feel that itch
>Remember that we're going home soon
>Itch subsides
Classic is saving me in more ways than one.

Because we're talking about sharding.

@458268287
@458267986
No one respond to this dumb attention starved monkey. Literally some child brain trying as hard as possible to get responses. Depress him.

Don't reply to the retard pretending rogues are unkillible
He's most liking that Manletears retard without his name on

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It's a classic wow thread. It's not like we're going to retail wow threads and stirring shit. Their game is so boring they have enough time to come bitch about things they personally don't like. Fucking zoomers I'll tell you what.

>He's most liking that Manletears retard without his name on
That was actually my first guess too. Identical retarded babbling. Looks like enough people filtered him.

So like Everquest, FFXI, and Lineage 2?

They are beyond desperate, have you ever asked yourself how these people could play past wotlk? After getting trashed over and over and being threated like shit by blizzard, literally addicts.

Hey loser? We're not friends. Don't respond to my post

They're trying to convince people not to play the game that'll murder retail. They're desperate and coping.
Same thing with XIVtrannies. They can't accept a superior MMO will kill their shitty dress up simulator lmao.

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What does grouping and sharding have to do with each other man?
Are you off your pills?
The sharding being in all zones will effect single players more than grouping and pvp will be effected by this because of people just zoning in and out while people being sharded away from you is always an issue for an MMO.

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Rose tinted glasses being shattered, that's what I get from it.

Dude, I literally play retail. If you go to wowg (not that it's worth going to really) you can see a bunch of classic people doing the same thing.
I just want to enjoy Classic discussion, but every time I enter one of these it's just people arguing. It's just so beyond depressing.

No it won't.

Be honest, without any personal bias getting in the way, are Trolls shit?
>No aoe stun on demand like Taurens get
>No WILL OF THE FUCKING FORSAKEN
>No Stun resist + Blood Fury

Trolls seem like the meme race of the Horde.

>Hakkar nowhere to be found in Zandalar
NuDevs really fucking hate Metzen don't they?

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>Thanks. Now that I think about it why did they remove it?
They made it part of your talents. As it works now theres 4 pvp talent slots. Slot 1 is your choice of trinket on demand, auto-trinket with a shorter cooldown or a blanket 20% reduction in cc. The other 3 slots are from a pool of pvp specific talents for your class/spec.

Horde zones have more quests and often better settlement placements.

berserk is better than blood fury in PvE isn't it?

I can see Berserking potentially being good maybe on casters. But obviously it's the weakest of the 4 for PVP. Also not a fan of Blood Fury. -50% healing on yourself for TWENTY FIVE (25) SECONDS fucking blows.

>Blessings, seals, immunities, efficient crit mana battery healer> threatboosting melee totem, niche aoe specialist healer
Blessings, seals and everything else you mentioned are not bad, but the fact of the matter is that windfury totem alone surpasses all of those things combined.

Shaman > Paladin

>in most cases for progression deep prot is better
Prot is never good, ever.

Fury is by far the best spec.

Fury > Prot for tanking

Blood Fury is kind of shit in Classic.

I think he's the one shitting up the thread as well because enough people fucking ignored the cunt.
So now he's on a retard jihad to make stupid "It will die" post every thread over and over.
Good for tanking and dps spots for ranged like Hunter or Mage because of haste buff.
That's it

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For main tank Troll is the best race.
For any healer/caster troll is the best race.

I did, it took like 6 hours if not more.

>I think he's the one shitting up the thread as well because enough people fucking ignored the cunt.
Wouldn't be surprised. It's usually the exact same retarded points that get instantly debunked every time.

I'm rolling a Troll Ele Shaman and I'll probably go Skinner/LW.
>Blood Fury does nothing for spellcasters
>Command doesn't work for totems
>Meanwhile trolls deal bonus damage to beasts which I'll be killing constantly for their skins
>Haste buff is great as a class who might need to spam panic heals when low on health
>Nobody can do ANYTHING to stop my 5hp regen per 5

Plus trolls just have better animations.

Tauren is the only choice for MT

troll is the secret OP class that only true retards know about

Rose tinted goggles + sharding

>What's the fucking point?
>What't the point of having fun
are you serious right now?
i don't fucking want tbc content. the expansion was still fun don't get me wrong but it was a very clear first step downhill from vanilla. if they're not gonna add more post nax level 60 content, then i'm quite happy to just play the vanilla experience until that's lost its appeal.
you're pretty dumb if you think it's only gonna last a few months though. people are hard limited by raid drops, which are random, and on a lockout. remembering you have to gear up 40 cunts, it's more than a few months to jump a raid tier champ. even if you ignore that and just gear the tanks through sheer luck and pretend the dps and healers will not need gear, it's still gonna be over a month easily per raid tier to get that done.

Playing a Troll on a pvp server is nice because it's the non-tryhard race, griefers sometimes pass over you because of this alone.

I don't see any roses.

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Yeah but armor looks shit on trolls and berserking is gonna take the last bit of mana you had left as an ele shaman. Eat shit, orcs 4 lyfe!

>Nobody can do ANYTHING to stop my 5hp regen per 5
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

Who gives a fuck, Trolls have the best Lore in the entirety of WoW and I'm not even meming.

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why didnt you link skarm's dprot guide?
>deep prot: youtube.com/watch?v=tmlcHhlDLVw
tl;dr: better build for threat, furyprot needs a lot of crit for procs

HUH

FUCK OFF JUST LEAVE ME ALONE I'M TRYING TO REGEN

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youtube.com/watch?v=L2k4LYDMjXU
*Dismounts off their Kodo while you're gathering, war stomps you and then two shots you with Chain Lightning -> Earth Shock*

Fury is highest threat, and you have more than enough crit.

Fury > Prot for tanking.

I have. How the fuck have you not done a full brd run? You not done a full strath run either or what?
You needed to find better friends user, ones that had nothing else to do but play, good shit.

God being able to still blink whilst cheap shotted was glorious

OH GOD NONONONON FUCKKKK

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Please stop talking about things you have no idea about.

Not him but I guess it's because of sharding and it's rose tinted even though it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Conservative based and redpilled /pol/ users roll Alliance

Liberal tranny SJW Yea Forums redditors roll horde

He's parroting private server memes. Private servers that have no idea how rage generation works and had to guess.

You are making both sides sound like trash deSu

I'm gonna do it lads, I can't wait anymore.
What's the least shit private server?

I played since beta and this is a textbook example of nostalgia goggles in effect, ignoring the fact that major game devs and pubs also have dedicated viral marketers and employee encouragement to push shit like this on Yea Forums.

Modern wow isn't great and blizzard had several pr disasters already, but classic wow had a ton of flaws itself that was made up for by it's communities, new experience and familiar setting, and people who played fucking video games. You can see the zoomers who are coming in thinking every class/spec combo is viable. The privatefags where things were skewed up due to free-numbers inflation and dev cliques. On top of all this, the issue that blizzard might fuck up the classic experience period, tinkered or not.

Fuck you paid shills I hope pajeets and landwhales keep taking your jobs.

Don't. You'll ruin it for yourself. I played a instant 60 server to get an idea of pvp and every fucking nigger uses cooldown resets to abuse using 15m tidal charm every fucking fight like faggots.

you're in

Neither has Blizzard after 13 years.

What experience do you have of high-end classic raiding? I assume none, because even casual guilds are running fury tanks nowadays. Such is the meta.

Fury is simply better than Prot, deal with it.

Why are you dueling tryhards? Q up for AB.

Listen, not everyone who likes something you don't like is a "paid shill". I wish I got fucking paid to talk about shit I enjoy. But I don't. I'm looking forward to playing an old school MMO for the first time in more than a decade. NuWoW just isn't the fucking same. Would a paid shill really be shitting on nuwow this entire time?

>Playing on a funserver

They literally have the source code for both client and server. Are you retarded?

>It wont return

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>berserking is gonna take the last bit of mana you had left as an ele shaman

This irritates me so much. Fucking why does berserking cost a resource and have a 3 minute cooldown? Fucking why? As if Troll regen isn't enough of an insult.

>Private servers with bugged mechanics
okay. opinion safely discarded.

>that guy that played a dwarf pali because he wanted to be the healer in your group of friends
>he never rolled on your warriors gear if he needed it
>he always brought pots for everyone even to lower level instances
>he'd stop to rez almost anyone along the road
>he was just there to have a good time helping folks
Why are holy palis so based?

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>non-rogues literally making up schizophrenic conspiracy theories instead of admitting that rogue will shit on their snowflake classes every time

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Oh man, I miss the old WoW launcher. Battle.net's just so by the books and lacking in soul.

Just go Tauren instead. They're still bro tier and you don't have to play a green space nigger.

only mage and rogue are fun
everything else is either one button spec or so fucking bad it sucks the fun out of the game

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Reminder to ignore the (You)let

What a complete retarded post. Holy shit

>mages are not one button spec
And I think rouges are sinister strike bots.

orc warlock or undead warlock help me bros, they both seem as good as each other.

Based and Red Pilled

>Why are you dueling tryhards?
Because I am a tryhard myself to a degree. I enjoy competition. I don't enjoy faggots relying on retarded cooldowns to win every fight though.
>Playing on a funserver
Funny you call it that. I didn't have much fun dealing with faggots using tidal charm and goblin helm every fight so they can bandaged + heal to full every duel.

Mortal Striking yourself is a good way to kill yourself in raids.

Paladins are cuck healsluts that only want to wear cool armor and pretend they don't like to choke on warrior cock

soul linked warlock is a far more fun spec than mage. It's also the biggest counter to mages.

Useful for two classes

>only mage and rogue are fun
this is the most nonsense shit i've ever heard lol.
my best friend played a priest and nothing but a priest for years, and had a grand old time, always had fun, always owning shit up cause priests are busted in a whole bunch of ways.

why the fuck do you think people played other classes m8? if only mage and rogue were fun then everyone who played anything else would stop playing that and switch. they did not, curious

>Alliance have non-stop cried about Horde favoritism for the last decade and a half
>Basically tell Horde players to check their bias privilege and demand Blizzard compensate them in pvp with reparations (free loot, bonus gains)
Alliance has always been the professional victim faction.

The new patch looks like awful shit, Asmongold stopped streaming BFA. I think I'm done you guys did it. I'm actually looking forward to classic. What's a classic class that plays like DH?

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no they don't
one of them is far superior as a warlock

never reply again when you haven't played the game, fucking retard.

orc warlock for demonology, UD for destro or affliction

That's not even the issue. Even on private servers you run prot in certain circumstances, since it's just better. Fury depends on good gear, cooldowns (DW) and (world) buffs.

If you're doing progress, you want mitigation more so than threat. Prot wins.
If you're doing progress, you might wipe. If you wipe, you'll lose your world buffs. Now you're losing in both mitigation and threat, because fury requires the crit for flurry upkeep for example. Prot wins again.
If the content is on farm, then you can go for fury, because your world buffs stay up, mitigation isn't as big an issue, and the extra threat can help you kill stuff faster. That said, this is mostly autism because getting world buffs takes more time than what it saves in actually clearing the raid.

Not an argument.

die in a fire wowfags

Druids are the biggest counter to mages

>What's a classic class that plays like DH?
The noose.

true but you have so much fancy utility to compensate other classes dont have

this man will be free HKs to every rogue in the game

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Reminder that once Classic flops you will always have a place that you can truly call... Home... Shadowbringers

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You're not gonna find much that plays like a self healing spam machine but if you want a good DPS+Tank, look into warrior.

maybe but felhunter is kryptonite to any spellcaster.

>Absurd mobility
>All burst no sustain
>Self healing
Try druid

Yes, there's fucking documentaries and interviews on this shit. That isn't the only reason for the hype of course. /vg/ is a great example of threads living off the power of shit eating and waifus.

Thinking on it, I just really wish people knew what they are getting into. Hunter ammo, bless bot, possibly never getting a chance to kill kazzak, or having no fun as firemage for two raids. If more people were talking about classic's concepts, I would find the interest to be legit. I haven't been seeing it in these threads, however.

>sl
>fun

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>What's a classic class that plays like DH?
Rogue with a pocket healer and a friendly mage to root targets for you.

SOUL
holy shit I miss the old Blizz aestethic, everything they pump out looks so plastic and neutered.

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Imagine taking Leatherworking as your profession in Classic lmao

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Alliance is better than horde in vanilla though. Alliance always clears content before horde and fucks horde in group PvP. Hordelets can only camp redridge in vanilla cause alliance chads smite them anywhere else.

WoW is a very mediocre MMO
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>Asmongold stopped streaming BFA
What the fuck is this cuck even going to stream now lmao

>being an unkillable monster as you watch your felhunter neg diff your opponent isnt fun.
hmm

They're going to move on to tbc or wotlk. That crowd has played classic death over the last two years. Blizz was too slow

>Horde are the actual underdogs while Alliance only larps as underdogs for pity points and dev handouts
So, like I said...

Please explain what about the fury talent tree or abilities is bugged on private servers.

Fury tanking is not something new or exclusive to private servers. It was done in retail vanilla.

Prot is trash.

Fury is higher tps, it's mathematically better.

I remember when DS3 came out and me and my buddy came across that enemy which we decided to call a "wowfan".

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I can't believe Haurchefant fucking DIED

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He took time off streaming and said he will stream classic and other games when he comes back

>dot dot dot spam searing
zzzzz

alliance didn't clear content before horde fuckso, definitely not in vanill and TBC.

Have fun shaman cucks LMAO
youtube.com/watch?v=jdn9Qf3q0-s

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i fucking love trolls
do they really suck

They said they have the 1.12 database, but didn't say anything about source code. The classic demo (that was based on BFA engine) had rogue energy regenerating constantly instead of ticks, so I doubt the database covers rage generation either.

nothing he's going insane because his gold digger whore is playing him

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I'm already set on what I'll be rolling. But did Blizzard think they struck gold with the berserk buff so they felt they had to nerf it in other areas or some shit? Obviously rhetorical since no one but Blizzard knows. it just stinks is all.

W-what's wrong with leatherworking?

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I think he was trying to say it was you

I've been seeing a lot of shilling being done by most WoW streamers. Are those "people" just being paid by Blizzard or are desperately trying to keep their game from dying or is the patch actually good?

>Horde Onyxia quests requires you to get four documents from LBRS
>However they spawn randomly and can only be looted by one person before despawning

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>whaling for a woman

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Based Stacey dabbing on betas who don't deserve their wealth.

>Hordies whine about muh paladins despite having shamans and amazing pvp racials
>Give horde paladins after they spent all of vanilla crying about them
>Population suddenly goes from a Every single time

In vanilla it is fine but in TBC and beyond the horde is better in every single way because of that. You're pretty delusional to think otherwise.

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why did that retard put a vomit-inducing cancer filter over his video.

>Another issue players reported was that Warlock demon summoning was broken – lots of players said that you shouldn’t lose your current demon until the new one appears. We double-checked and in the original 1.12 WoW, and there, as soon as you started summoning a new demon, your existing demon disappeared. So the demo actually matched how the game played originally. There were a few other reports – such as “rare mobs do way less damage” and “Kobolds at Jangolode Mine run faster than walking speed when running away” – where we were able to confirm that the gameplay was the same in the demo as in the original 1.12 WoW.
us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/classic-update/113138/1
Try to actually keep up with the news before shitposting

Where is the proof i keep seeing this but i never see anyone post anything about it.

>Please explain what about the fury talent tree or abilities is bugged on private servers.
Sit crits for enrage, genius.

>it's mathematically better.
Prove it.

>Demon Hunter main when I last played
>Gonna pick druid in classic
blessed

They aren't directly paid by Blizzard unless they're brought out to do events but their livelihood also depends on the game actually being popular and successful because that's what they fucking stream you idiot.

Even without sit enrage fury is better.

More damage, more crit, faster attack speed, use of trinkets (ES) or cooldowns (DW) just increases that even further and results in higher TPS.

>Fury is higher tps, it's mathematically better.
And tps isn't your relevant fucking metric for a tank you absolute mongoloid. Mitigation is your primary metric for all progression, threat is very easily managed. People who didn't play vanilla sure like to talk a big game like they have any idea what was necessary or how things went

No proof.

>Pretending all those years of everyone rolling humans for a free extra trinket slot didn't happen and instead just crying about arcane torrent
Every time...

Alright now explain the people talking about shamans and shit then? You're full of shit. Just cherry picking posts so you can fuel your narrative that the great big actibliz boogieman is paying people and no one could POSSIBLY be interested in a game that had millions of subscribers in the past.

Nothing really on its face. You can make alright gear for pre-raid with a little grinding but youll be losing the money you can make from alchemy or the utility of engineering

I don't get the bitching for this quest. It sucks, but you only do it once and you're going to want those flight paths eventually anyway. just press num lock in wolf form and watch a video for 80% of it.

Is it possible to build a druid set that can tank, heal, melee dps and ranged dps all at the same time with the same gear in 5mans and pvp?

>using death wish
>LOL NO JUST TAKE 20% ARMOUR OFF NO WORRIES NOT LIKE I'M TRYING TO AVOID HUGE HITS OR ANYTHING I NEED THE 20% PHYS DAMAGE ON MY WHACK ASS LOW DPS ONE HANDER
god you are retarded

guys. warning from someone who has sunk thousands of hours into this. it's not worth it. i realized we all only have so much time on this planet and there's much better things to be doing than playing this god forsaken game all the time. don't fall for the trap

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It requires resources to use Berserking. It would suck less if not for that. It's just mediocre. Use it for PVE I guess if you're DPSing.

just for you bby gurl

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Name 1 MMO on the market that is better

No, they need very different things user

Private servers were a fucking mistake desu.

I just want one last adventure before the MMO genre dies, bro. I regret not playing more of WoW during its golden age.

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THE POINT IS DON'T PLAY ANY MMOS PERIOD

Get 8/8 tier 1, it has literally everything from mp5 and spr to agi and str with some crit and some ap and +hp. Theres a healing spec out there thats resto for the mana cost reductions then feral for cat dps

This. You tell me one MMO that's good. And no, that's not FFXIV, ESO or GW2.

It's worthless compared to other professions. Only druids want leather. Meanwhile tailors and smiths can make gear for tons of classes. Tailors make better bags than leatherworkers too.
Plus in order to leatherwork effectively you need to also have Skinning. Half the time you can't even use skinning because the corpse is someone else's to loot and they don't loot it. Meanwhile tailors can just grab cloth from any humanoid mob with no profession, and have another great profession like enchanting or engineering on the side.

>there's much better things to be doing than playing this god forsaken game all the time
Like what? Wagecucking? Going out with your mates and drinking poison that gets you inebriated? Sex, which is just masturbating but instead of using your hand, its using a woman who might turn around 20 years later and say you raped her?

No thanks, I'm staying home till the day I die.

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>hurr dont play this genre because I personally don't like it
Can you fuck off? I don't tell grand strategy fans to stop enjoying what they enjoy. Probably because I'm not insufferable and autistic.

you are gay

TPS is by far the most important variable when it comes to tanking. If you can't deal sufficient TPS you are worthless.

Mitigation is not your primary metric, ever. Threat is much more important than mitigation. Fury tank in fury gear. Learn to play.

Watch any good guild in their speedruns.

Yes, fury tanks use death wish virtually on cooldown.

>that day when the gm's wife cheated on him with the main tank

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>Stacey comes around at the age of 43 because she's low on money after being divorced by her 7th black husband
>"Hey hon, remember that time we had sex in college? Well, if you don't give me $2000 I'm going to the local news station about how you 'raped' me that night."

Still no proof.

>talking about progression
>WATCH SPEEDRUNS
No one gives a shit about what people run in MC while they're wearing Naxx gear.

You're so retarded it's embarrassing.

If you think that's the worst part about playing shaman, you are going to have a nasty surprise.

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The PvP sets are probbably your best choice if you're not doing raiding, but why do you want to do every role in 5 mans? It'll just be a waste of respecc costs and if you're focusing on PvP anyway there'd be no point. It'd just be better to keep spare sets in your bank if you're going to be switching roles

What's the worst part about playing shaman? I played to 60 and it seemed fine. I don't even get the bitching about the totem quests either. They were fine to me.

i'm just trying to warn you that in years you will look back on these wasted hours with regret

>No proof nothing happens it gets thrown out of court on it's head
Whoa crazy and most likely would get dismissed even before trial
Stop being retarded and go get laid you turbo virgin

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I'm 23 and I regret things more than time spent having fun with friends.

I'll be walking barefoot from snowy hills of Winterspring to the scorched earth of the Burning Steppes while regenerating 5 HEALTH PER SECOND

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What proof do you need to be satisfied? Not a single good, hell even average guilds run prot tanks. Every single one of them run fury tanks. Why? It's much better.

Fury tank is played regardless of instance, in MC in pre bis gear, in MC in MC gear in BWL in MC gear, in BWL in BWL gear, in AQ in BWL gear and in AQ in AQ gear. It makes no difference.

I'm sorry to tell you guys, but you're not going to get what you're looking for with classic.
You've already played WoW way too much, know too much about it and nothing will have that "holy shit" feeling anymore, like the first time you entered ironforge.
The only people who are going to get anything out of this are people who have never played WoW, and lets be real, they are probably going to play retail instead of a dated version of the same game.

>Implying that would stop them trying

How crucial is fear ward?
I'm rolling alliance with my friends and I will play priest but I really don't want to go dwarf. We'll have our own guild so raid spots will not be a problem, I'm just wondering how much I am gimping ourselves by not playing a short ugly drunkard.

I'm thinking it's not important at all since every other priest will be dwarf and have fear ward on the Main Tank is really the only vital part.

>Tauren
Literally not a single significant Tauren character ever. No memorable Tauren villains, no strong Taurens. All Taurens are weak and pathetic.
>Orcs
Decent amount of memorable characters, decently powerful, somewhat threatening when evil
>Forsaken
Same as the Orcs basically
>Trolls
Literal best.
Half the dungeons in the game are ruled by Trolls. Half the world in general is ruled by Trolls. Shit load of chad Troll characters. Trolls turned evil are the most dangerous race ever and they regularly summon fucking gods and other dangerous eldrich horrors from beyond that can fuck up the world.
Lads....
Are the other Horde races even trying?

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You said fury is mathematically better for threat in all cases. Show the math.

Not at all crucial. Though if you have access to it obviously you take it.

>You think you do, but you don't: The Post

You know it cost her money to hire the lawyer and that runs more then 2G right?
Unless you are a high ranking official of your county or country your basement dwelling ass will be okay i'm sure.

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>all the relevant PVPers and high end raiders are taurens, orc and undead
Yes, I think they are trying.

Do you even know how threat works?

I'm sorry if that's how it sounded, I'm just saying that you're probably going to get disappointed and shouldn't get your hopes up too much.
If you do actually end up enjoying it and playing it for years, good for you, I'm just saying that most people have expectations that are way too high.

Yes. Now where's the math?

Don't make claims you can't back up, retard.

>basement dwelling ass
You can stop projecting, you know. Also the mere accusation can be damaging to someone. Don't act like this shit doesn't happen just with celebrities.

3.0.2 is when my world came to and end
so many lvl requirements slapped on old content items
rip lvl 1s with 1600hp

It's nor projecting.It's a fact.
Have Sex dorky porky.

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Just consider Horde manage to clear without Fear Ward.

>Avatarfagging
Enjoy the ban kiddo

>plays League of Legends daily while shitposting on Yea Forums

>Tremor totem

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do you guys think blizz could do horizontal progression in classic by making raids more mechanically challenging?

ive always heard that vanilla mechanics were laughably easy

What's the best warrior tank race for horde? At a glance it should be Troll, right? I can't imagine you'd want to blood fury as a tank because of the debuff even if the attack power boost gives you mad threat, so Orc is out.

Tauren 5% health is nice and all, but it doesn't feel like health and survivability is the main goal of tanks anymore, if it was they'd spec deep prot.

Troll attack speed seems really good for rage generation, and you can probably time it to get a good 15-20% each time. Does anyone know?

The main mechanic in classic is getting 40 people to go in the same direction.

You okay buddy? Maybe you need to take time out in the sun and not the cold dark.

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and i'm telling you, you non vanilla raiding idiot, that's not the case.
source; actual vanilla fucking raiders.
your tps is irrelevant if you're fucking dead. if you're dead, the fight is over.
your surviving is the number 1 priority, the number 2 priority is putting out as much threat as you can so that the rest of your raid can go as all out as they can.
know what's better than a dead tank with infinite tps? an alive tank with mediocre tps and a raid whos dps adjusts to manage their own fucking threat.
almost like threat management WAS A THING YOU HAD TO DO CUNT.
nobody with a brain is dropping 1/5th of their armour mitigation for some minor dps increase that translates to a fucking minor tps increase.
additionally, all the mitigation talents on the warrior trees are fucking mandatory. if you're dropping them to go fury, you're a moron and a liability to your fucking raid in a real vanilla environment.

alliance have fear ward from Dorfs + pally buffs which give them a slight edge in raiding.

wind fury totems only get used on fights without fears

either way just play what you like aesthetically. you're gonna be staring at it for thousands of hours

Well sure but its on ticks as opposed to enabling someone to straight up resist a fear effect. Then you consider there's not gonna be a shaman in every party in the raid group. And then you consider that Warriors can simply break out of fear effects by themselves.

Good. So 1 damage = 1 threat

How much threat does a shield slam that crits for 700 (including all modifiers) do? 1370~ threat

How much threat does a bloodthirst that crits for 2500 do?
How much threat does a heroic strike that crits for 1000 do?

List goes on and on.

>Have specific pieces of barefooted gear lined up throughout the game so I can be a no shoes nigger on alliance
hehe

>Looking at the active abilites and not the passives
+5 to axes does more for tanking than any of the actives

t. Boomer grandpa who hasn't raided vanilla since
youtube.com/watch?v=34ba7rg0gdc
was considered good gameplay

I don't know what a mechanically challenging 40 man raid could be, i'd like to see them add another single-boss raid that'd have similar mechanics to Helya just to see how it'd fit in Classic. But I just want to see how Classic raid progression goes before suggesting anything new

I've raided vanilla for a long time. And I can tell you it is very much the case, as can anyone else who has raided high-end in vanilla.

TPS is not irrelevant, tanking as fury doesn't mean you die. Surviving is easy, you have healers and skills to survive.

It is very clear you have never experienced high-end vanilla raiding. Please do not spread false fake news information in these threads about things you know nothing about.

And now let's see what people on northdale run. I picked the 10 most recent AQ40 raids. To quickly see what the tanks run, you can check if there's bloodthirst or shield slam in the damage of the warriors near the bottom of the dps chart.

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32128&exp=0&upl=50812
shield slam, shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32125&exp=0
shield slam, shield slam, shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32234&exp=0
shield slam, shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32184&exp=0&upl=50903
not shield slam (!), shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32183&exp=0&upl=50902
shield slam, also bear
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32220&exp=0&upl=50964
1 shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32158&exp=0&upl=50854
1 shield slam
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32159&exp=0
finally no shield slam, but there's a bear
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32115&exp=0&upl=50796
shield slam, shield slam

Shit it turns out that there are a ton of people running prot. What a shocker.

Sorry, but that's not even close to being proof. Maybe you shouldn't throw out retarded statements you can't prove. My last reply to you because your stupidity might be contagious.

Aren't most of the good tanking weapons swords? Thunderfury, Hungering Cold, Dawn of Ruin, CTS, Brutality Blade etc.

are there any mods to make the races look less shit?

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yes the uninstall button because most races look great already

enjoy your water totem quest

it's called go back to trannybringers

>Dodging a great class just because of one quest
Yikes.

Mage is a solid choice. Lots of control, good damage, master of aoe, convenient teleports and portals, never having to pay for drinks, with the major downside being a 1-button raiding experience.

Warriors are hilarious shit-destroyers once they get decent gear, but it can be a but rough getting there. If you know you'll be sticking with it all the way into AQ40, warrior is the strongest class in the game.

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You're too retarded to deal with. Please learn to play and then come back here trying to argue your futile points.

Now let's look at some actual good guilds, though still at different levels.

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=25997&exp=0&upl=40832

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=28848&exp=0&upl=45125

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=28826&exp=0&upl=45101

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=28816&exp=0&upl=45084

See any shield slam damage in there?

>implying the shitters in this thread will even see MC.

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it's a pretty great profession when leveling if you're a hunter because you can craft so much decent +agi gear, but at max level you should drop it for something that actually makes you money

Our whole existence is without meaning.

The sun will swallow everything humans ever created eventually.

Eventually even the atoms will separate from each other and the whole universe will essentially die.

Wasted ours? Yeah every hour of every life anyone has ever lived or will live, is was and will always be just that, a waste.

Thinking about it, isn't healing preferable to being a 1 button rotation spellchucker?

It is, but healers are boring as fuck outside group content, and almost all the healer classes can only heal unless you're in a super chill guild. Only roll healer if you have a super tight friend group.

...

Tauren for the health

ive never done a 40 man, but it seems like they were a hectic mess. if they do horizontal progression id hope theyd do 10-25 mans

I would rather 20 mans yes.

To be entirely honest, I never minded raiding as a mage. You make a shitton of water to hand out, you press your one button, and through it all you can just watch a movie or something on another monitor.

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Rage generation seems a lot more important than health

heres what you want to roll if you want to se end game
priest (healing only)
shaman(healing only)
warlock(affliction only)
mage(frost only at MC+)
druid(healing only)
rogue(combat swords only)
warrior(tank only! do not listen to those who say fury warrior)
paladin(healor only)
hunter(go away)

If you're raid tanking you have plenty of rage

>Thunderfury and Naxx weapons
Brutality blade isnt the one true tank weapon at the MC level and before you even reach BWL how many hours, raids and dungeons will you have run more effectively with you extra +hit? If youre at the point in nax that you are deciding between weapons you are pretty far past where racials are going to matter as horde

What an absolutely retarded post. Kill yourself.

>nobody cares about MC
>they are all from BWL

Now let's take a look at AQ, some average Shitdale guilds.

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=31417&exp=0&upl=49604

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=32001&exp=0&upl=50585

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=31415&exp=0&upl=49602

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=30548&exp=0&upl=48048

legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=29872&exp=0&upl=46766

No Shield Slam.

Stay mad, stay seething, stay humble. But please, for the love of god please learn to play.

go away huntard

This is bait

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No it doesn't because your tank will dump all his rage into heroic strikes.

Troll is best for tanking.

Mage actually, your post is still shit.

If you are raid tanking you play troll, maybe orc. Not Tauren.

so you spec fire in MC? you must be a guild favorite.

There's no point returning to 10-25 mans while BfA exists. Classic can have the grand yet basic gameplay while BfA onwards can have the complicated yet small-scale raids. Designing more challenging raids on a smaller scale will just force the community to beg for class changes so everyone can fill every role and we'll end up with the mess that occured with Retail.

>youth
i was in my busy post-highschool years when wow came out i did not have fucking time for a god damn mmorpg and by the time i was ready to play the game was garbage. you mother fuckers think everyone on this board is a kid jesus christ, get over yourself. the world is bigger than your bedroom.

Orc racials are negligible for tanking. Not enough axe tank weapons. Troll is good too though I agree.

Windfury is an air totem
Tremor is earth
you can have both out at the same time

You said MC+, retard. Mages respec into fire after BWL. And there is no reason to clear dungeon in fire, since there are places where bosses are immune to fire, such as BRD and BRS.

i never said not to play the class

It's 2nd best after Troll.

You have Deathbringer from Onyxia that will last you until you get AQ axe, should you not have a thunderfury by then.

What faction bros?
strawpoll.me/17801511

I don't want to see the end game. (go away)

so you agree. ok.

They aren't, you get to weave in S&D, Eviscerate and time your SS hits properly. Not much but...

Anyone else used to always go for the polar bear in Dun Morogh for any non-Dwarf Hunter?

uninstall faction

The best faction, Horde, of course.

I want to play Alliance but I'm going to be playing with a bunch of sperg friends that refuse to play Alliance

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Well, if you entire end game is MC, then yeah, I guess.

Kill your friends and wear their skins.

>full aq gear runs with tf and fully buffed
epic
ouf
you can probably do that with 2 healers

On alliance the cancer will be retards.
On horde the cancer will be elitists (and definitely not the world class ones)
Pick your poison I guess

Now this is embarrassing. You went through the speedrun list, and when you saw one guild, specifically , you happened to skip it. I wonder why? Could it be because
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=29486&exp=0&upl=46127
Oh look, shield slams.

Also, again
>speedruns
One of the guilds in your list, on their first AQ40 rather than when it's on farm.
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=25732&exp=0&upl=40409
Shit, shield slam.
Another one
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=25477&exp=0&upl=40041
Shit, shield slam.

You could at least be honest when you're arguing. But no.

Tanking with a 2.9 speed weapon sounds awful

Troll Priest or Shaman? I wanna play a troll healer and I've already played resto shaman in wotlk+cata. Shields look really cool, but I might wanna try a class I've never played much before

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You forgot to mention there won't be nearly as many trannies horde side

i dunno. I played on some vanilla servers and both sides are plagued with retards who don't know how to play.

Troll Priest if you have any intention on going Shadow spec for PVP. Their racial is pretty nice. Basically a lightning shield for Priests.

priest is great fun. especially MC opposite faction.

Deep prot is better than furyprot at lower gear levels without world buffs. With world buffs fury prot is about equal.

Furyprot is better at higher gear levels with world buffs. Lose world buffs and deep prot becomes about equal again.

End of story.

Clueless. Stop posting.

I don't like APES, don't want to give them any publicity since they are garbage. I am not surprised random shitters on Northdale play shield slam, after all they are trash.

My argument still stands, any top guild plays fury tanks which I showed to you. I am not sure why you insist on linking random trash guilds as some sort of proof that shield slam is good. I merely showed you that the vast majority of even trash guilds, not to mention 100% of the good guilds, run fury tanks.

Why is it so hard to understand that fury tank > prot tank?

The fucking totems in general. 20 yd range, not affecting raid and having to recast them all the time.

Not at all, you have flurry and your enrage will last longer = more abilities with enrage.

>Nobody can do ANYTHING to stop my 5hp regen per 5
MORTAL STRIKE

Given how much of a meme it’s become for tons of people to roll on fresh private servers and level to 60 repeatedly, I’d say your opinion is wrong

Uhm hon the 3 piece bonus for shamans increases the range by 10 yards. There's a talent thats not deep at all into Resto that increased it by 10 yards also. Totems are made 40 yards range easily.

Prot > Fury regardless of world buffs, gear level or anything else. It's always more TPS.

Beware female undead.
Although for trannies they aren't the worst.
Tranny ranking:
Female Undead > Female Gnome > Female Orc > Female Night Elf > Female Human

WHAT THE FUCK NO

???

Fury deals more damage and has higher TPS than deep prot. Fury defiance is not bad, can be useful sometimes.

How are you calling anyone clueless when you're the retard calling literally the best private server guild(s) garbage?

You don't even know what you're posting since you don't know the top 5 private server guilds are literally the same members rotating

No, Fury is much more TPS at higher gear levels, but when you're at a lower gear level and if you lose your world buffs, Fury becomes abysmal so it might not be advisable to tank as Fury until you've reached the higher gear levels.

>Female Orcs
Always either completely mute or completely insufferable. No in between.

Unsolicited whispers asking you to heal shit every 5 minutes. Im lvl 45 Im not going to come heal your WC run

>I don't like APES, don't want to give them any publicity since they are garbage
Yeah, sure. Sounds like a very likely explanation.

>My argument still stands, any top guild plays fury tanks which I showed to you
Half of the guilds you showed me ran prot tanks on their first run.

Now here's the guild that has the fastest Naxx speedrun on legacyplayers. Let's take a look at their first naxx on lightbringer.
legacyplayers.com/Raids/Viewer/?id=10387&exp=0&upl=16294
Shit, shield slams again.

Fun fact: Shamans don't spec mana tide, it's trash.

>nelf not on top
I'm shocked, can any other anons weigh in here?

>Blessing of Salvation
>Fear Ward

>Private server guilds
They're playing with broken mechanics for fuck sake dude. Stop making out that playing on shitty bugged servers with a ton of GUESS WORK has any merit to it. It doesn't. Those players aren't relevant. They will have to pull this shit off on Classic before I'm convinced of it.

>Designing more challenging raids on a smaller scale will just force the community to beg for class changes so everyone can fill every role and we'll end up with the mess that occured with Retail.

that would only happen if they make the bosses such damage sponges that you need a perfect comp to complete the raid. all they need to do is decrease the raid size to something where you can actually have mechanics and have some semblance of coordination

>drops 1k g bought from china to buy consumables to use on cooldown every raid night
yeah, this is the real vanilla experience

We haven't even talked about the best private server guild by the way, they run fury tanks and nothing else if you must know. The top 5 private server guilds are not the same members rotating, how do I know? I am in it.

Good guilds play fury from the first MC onwards because it's simply better.

hey wanna come RFK :)

And what are you going to put points into instead?

>Check this huge REDDIT poll on what races people are picking
>Troll is the least picked
Fucking min maxing plebs.

Link the optimal resto spec.

MS doesn't work on regen, it works on healing effects

>Horde get more easily accessable early game instances
Alliance gets fucking ironforge which is within spitting distance to every raid in the game par AQ

I showed you mediocre at best shitty Northdale guilds because for some reason you think what they do matters. Pro tip: It doesn't.

The best guilds run fury tanks because that's the best spec.

Imagine linking Salad Bakers in 2019, that's a yikes. No good guild did any attempt at Naxx speedruns, you would know this if you had any knowledge.

Ignore him he's a retard. Here you go.
classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/shaman/AAHABPPNj90

Pala vs. Shaman
I can't decide
I'm leaning Shaman but Paladin is just more OP
Logic states Pala
Heart states Sham
FUCK

I wanted to see what he'd conjure up.

>And what are you going to put points into instead
Personally its based on what role I want in the raid. Do I want to give the rogues better windfury? Am I in the healer group where mana tide is going to give a combined 12,000 mana on cd? Am I healing the tanks and want to keep up the healing wave talent?

Take a look at the talent trees and you will figure it out.

That is the worst spec I have seen in a long while, mother of god that is one horrible spec.

Just consider that Shamans will just purge all of your 'overpowered buffs' anyways in PVP.

>MS doesn't even work on fucking drain life, let alone normal health regen
If only trolls could be locks.

yes, almost like raiding on private servers isn't the same as raiding in vanilla and your desperate attempt to conflate them won't work m8.
when you walk into mc, you are going to be focused on hp and mitigation. feel free to not be, but you will not progress at the same speed as anyone with a brain will, and you will be a detriment to 39 other people.

your skills aren't for survival, your cooldowns are for specific phases. and it's not the healers job to do far more work to make up for you being shit lad. i like how you retards even act like threat was a real problem. you know why the 5 sunder rule existed as a general thing in the game, right? it was exceptionally easy as a dps player to not overaggro when you're doing consistent dps, only spike dps was ever a risk.
let me tell you vanilla is gonna fucking suck for actual classic players if they have to put up with you private server idiots in their parties shitting things up unable to do their job. no matter how much you yell at the healers

Looks like you ran out of arguments.

I'll note this as a victory in my notebook.

>tfw transbian
>tfw rolling horde with my trans gf and there is nothing you faggots can do to stop me

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devious

Shamans are much better than paladins in every area.

Sure thing grandpa, keep thinking 2019 private servers are 2011 private servers if it lets you keep your pride in having raided 14 years ago

>Another out rage retard who goes
>LOOK, JUST LIKE, LOOK AT THE TALENT TREE U'LL FIGURE IT OUT
>THATS A FOOKIN TERRIBLE SPEC ROIT THERE THAT ONE IS
>I WON'T EXPLAIN WHY OR OFFER ANY BETTER ALTERNATIVES
>U'LL JUS HAV 2 FIGURE IT OUT ON UR OWN
Hang yourself brainlet.

>warrior tanking with a shield ever
lmfao @ (You)

>PW:S the tank
>Mobs run past him as he futilely tries to build aggro
>'wtf hold threat'
Who /devilishpriest/ here?

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It doesn't matter if it's guess work. These people have done 2-3 month R14 grind with their whole ranking roster on 3-4 different servers. They have done all the content in vanilla over 4 times across 6 years not including actual vanilla.

They already have a 40+ man roster with top tier players without any obligations outside the game ready to go for server firsts 60 and R14.

You're a fucking retard if you think for even a second these guys won't be destroying classic.

I meant skills as in player skills, not abilities. It is indeed the healers job to heal the raid.

Do you think people wait before they start attacking? No, they attack the moment they can which is why TPS is the most important variable when it comes to tanking. A tank not able to achieve high enough is worthless.

Fury > Prot for tanking, forever and always.

>wana roll a wc3 tauren
>tfw wow never let you smack shit with a man sized totem
Why even live bros

Consider this

FROST SHOCK

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Okay listen, ENOUGH FUCKING AROUND. Enough 'i like the look of *insert race here so i think its best :)' posting, what is 'OBJECTIVELY' the best Shaman race? Feel free to name a different race depending on what spec you plan on using.

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Yeah you sure won with your mediocre guilds, not to mention Salad Bakers.

Meanwhile the good guilds keep trucking on with fury tanks, creating new record after new record.

consumables being mandatory every raid night came later when the min maxers fucked everything up

look at I don't wanna type it all out again.

Mages are a 2 button raider on non fire immune mobs m8 unless you've not got the mana to manage it. Honestly I raided as a mage for years, it was still fun, you got your polymorph fights, you got your cheeky fire ward usage, you got your ice blocks to dodge big hits to save healers mana, you got your decurse, mana gem usage to manage, probably other buttons I forgot about

>They already have a 40+ man roster with top tier players without any obligations outside the game ready to go for server firsts 60 and R14.

how? do these guys get paid?

PvE: Troll
PvP: Orc
It's that simple

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>10-25 mans
It's simply not as fun, it lacks the same feeling. It was fine for things like zg, where it was very much not on the level of a real raid, but 25 mans are pure fucking garbo and always have been

>not using your 20 inch tauren cock instead

I am the brainlet, yet you don't even know how to spec a resto shaman in 2019?

You can easily look at the talent trees to figure it out.

For starters let's look at mana tide totem:
>Summons a Mana Tide Totem with 5 health at the feet of the caster for 12sec that restores 290 mana every 3 seconds

290x3 = 870

870 mana over 12 seconds, that's not good at all. In fact that is horrible.

Shamans are more fun

40 mans are more fun? it seems like it would just be a zergfest to me

i could be wrong though

Nelf is less trannymode because they are a different species and actually hot. While Night elf trannies are usually just sluts, humans tend to be minmaxers and egotists too. The worst of the worst.

Link the poll

You don't know how totems work or something? You're applying this to other casters who need mana also. Might want to multiply that number there by 5.

Except shamans provide totems for melees and not mana users, so at best it would be multiplied by 2 if you have a hunter in your group.

Shit post. Try actually explaining things in future or don't bother roleplaying as an expert.

Yes. No Shaman has ever been in a caster group and provided them with threat reduction.

reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/9yt514/world_of_warcraft_classic_census_and_demographics/

Troll. Reason: Berserking.

>not fucking group micromanaging so shamans can drop mana tides to casters then go back to melee groups to drop windfury
straight out of tbc

>That is the worst spec I have seen in a long while, mother of god that is one horrible spec.
That's literally the only resto shaman spec that anyone using a brain would use. Maybe you'd drop something for improved grace of air at most, but as a resto shaman in a fucking raid everything else on the trees except what the dude has picked are 100% worthless.
For outside of raids its a different story

>You're a fucking retard if you think for even a second these guys won't be destroying classic.
They won't be if they think using private server coding reliant strats and fury warriors will work lol

You're retarded
Eat glass you retard

Maybe in a shitty guild. In good guilds tanks play fury.

No need because in TBC deep resto is actually worth considering, whereas in vanilla its complete trash.

That's the spec an absolute shitter on shaman would use. As a resto shaman in a raid your number one job is to provide melee with totems, deep resto is horrible for that.

I dread to see a female troll in 2k19

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>Alliance 51%
looks like I'm going Horde

>It is indeed the healers job to heal the raid.
It is the healers job to heal the raid provided you are doing your job. By purposely taking vastly more damage, you are not doing your job, and it's very much not their job to make up for your shitty ideas.

>Do you think people wait before they start attacking?
imagine being this much of a brainlet and never having played vanilla. I can promise you here and now that when vanilla comes out, yes, everyone will be waiting before attacking, 2-3 sunders is absolute minimum before the raid starts attacking, you are a mongoloid my friend.
Don't worry, we'll all wave at you from our guilds with actual tanks as we sail past you progression wise with your paper tank with marginally higher threat lul

You get improved weapon totems and everything else literally doesn't matter.
A 60 shaman can spec 0/22/0 and still be better than a deep resto retard

Shit post brainlet, explain your choices or neck yourself.

This.
What the fuck is wrong with female Orcs? I can't stand them and it's specifically because of this shit right here.

WoW without belves is just waste of time.

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You clearly lack knowledge when it comes to high end vanilla raiding.

>2-3 sunders is absolute minimum before the raid starts attacking
???
Everyone uses sunder first GCD, they don't wait for tank to stack 5 sunders before they attack.

As I said, you are clearly clueless.

>870 mana over 12 seconds, that's not good at all.
Over 1000 mana for everyone in your party including yourself? It's very fucking good you idiot. It's the equivalent of literally more than a full mana bar for a geared mage spread out between the party. That's as good as innervate is, as at absolute best it can provide a full mana bar to one person.
Ps, math, it's 290x4. 12 sec / 3 sec = 4 ticks buddy.

For Classic it's between Tauren/Troll. The size of a tauren is incredibly underrated and when you're hanging out in Org towering over everybody whilst wearing better gear than them it makes you look cool as fuck. They also look great with 2h's or levelling with a dagger/shield. Troll's just look better as casters and healers, without dual wielding I never liked Orcs, and with the clownsuit you have to wear to go ele/heal they look retarded.
War stomping into fire nova is an amazing combo and berserking is an amazing CD for any class. Orc's didn't click with me until TBC when they decided to make serious mail items for Shamans

cute

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Honestly I'd say female nelf players are equally as bad as female human players generally, but I guess middle aged women tend to go for night elves more so you might run into more tolerable ones

They're trannies thats why

You stop posting you dumb fuck
You can't take simple facts and are to dumb to understand a full thread trying to spell it out to you
Eat a fucking swordfish spike you nigger

But everyone is your party is a non-mana user, if you are lucky there's one hunter in the group and even then mana tide is complete trash and really fucking bad. It can tick 10 times if it wants to, it's still complete and utter garbage in comparison to what you can get instead.

Again, it's a social game. All of vanilla is a social game. A big part of 40 man raids is talking to your 5 man party, or talking to your friends, or messing about during fights with them trying to geddon bomb them, or playing who can pull aggro first with them.
You legitimately do not get the feeling of original wow raids in any of modern wow, by wotlk that feeling was gone entirely.

Again no explaination. Here read this if your brain can handle more than two sentences at a time.

trannies can stay on retail

>thread full of autistic raging
oh I see, pserver squad has joined in

You need to honestly be hit with a truck because your mother couldn't do the right thing and have you vacuumed out before we had to see your stupid ass try to grasp how stupid you are.

The totems are styled after Tauren totems, so it's Tauren of course.

I'm trans and I'm playing classic and you can't stop me

The pserver scene is infested with trannies. And stormfags. This is why we need WoW Classic.

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>Berserking is completely inconsequential for healing.
Berserking is up to 30% haste for 10 seconds. How is that inconsequential? It's better than every other racial combined for Horde shamans.

>Endurance can make the difference in clutch situations
Endurance will never help you.

>Herbalism makes it easier to gather high end herb nodes.
Non factor, you will have 300 herbalism anyways.

Berserking is by far the best racial for casters and healers on horde side.

It's great how people who mindlessly parrot that trolls and orcs are the only viable shamans do the job of making themselves look retarded for me. No arguement, no explaination, just shit flinging. Yikes. Use your brain for once and think about shit before you type.

Why are you still trying to live.
Fucking end yourself with a flashbang down your throat.

>As a resto shaman in a raid your number one job is to provide melee with totems
No, it's very much not. Just how many idiotic takes can one person come up with. FURY PAPER TANKS ARE BEST. RESTO SHAMANS DON'T DO ANYTHING BUT TOTEM AND AFK.

You're a fucking moron lol. guilds aren't going to be running 28 rogues and warriors for you dumb speedrun horseshit lad.

Obviously u couldnt figure it out u turbo brainlet

The only Master echanting trainer is in an instance. The best recipies are rare from raids which will have already been promised to reliable people as they are expected to service the guild without the fee. And they aren't crucial either as friendly guilds will communicate and cooperate on recipies. Lvl 60 dungeon groups will usually roll for the shards and enchanters dont get any priority.

>they don't wait for tank to stack 5 sunders before they attack.
Hint, from playing vanilla from launch day until tbc, they literally did. Everyone waited for 2-3 sunder debuffs minimum before they started attacking. You whining that it didn't happen will not change the fact that it was standard practice from literally everyone for the entire duration of vanilla

You clearly lack knowledge and experience from high-end vanilla raiding. Stop posting.

Shut up and go dilate on retail, stupid