Uptilt is worthless

>grenades
Can you cook them? I’ll try to adjust my play style if so, I’m still a big fan of the rockets though.
FUG

Brawl Snake main reeeee'ing about how it doesn't cover the whole stage anymore, killing at 70.

Snake is bad. Stop wasting your time and use Mega Man or Belmonts instead.

His uptilt is one of the most satisfying and useful moves. You suck.

No body even mention snake, they better not nerf him or do something stupid.

>uptilt is worthless
Shit bait

>Snake isn't bad you just suck
>No one even mentions Snake
Which is it?

The only problem with snake is he needs more costumes goddammit!!! I want mgs1 snake!!

???

Yes you can cook nades and you should especially be cooking them against characters that can reflect your shit back. You can also drop nades with shield and pick them up and throw them like a normal item. You really should learn how to b reverse nades too so that you can recover better.

I would advise against using Nikita in neutral since you can easily get punished for it, pretty much restrict it to offstage use outside of special situations.

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based dyslexic user

Because it was fucking ridiculous in Brawl

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So why is Snake not allowed to have retarded disjointed shit but generic anime sword faggot #13 is?

wasn't there some user who explained how his ass is actually bigger, but the wider thighs make it look smaller in comparison?

ahaha i can pretend to be retarded for (You)s too user!

Reminder that you losing to Snake doesn't make him good. Suck it up and quit bitching about a low tier character. You probably play some gay cancer shit like Wolf or an FE character and got outplayed.

>I’m pretty good with the missiles
so is everyone with fingers and eyes

>Uptilt is worthless
You are beyond the point of return, you utter retard
>Downsmash is completely ruined
Why the FUCK would you use downsmash in front of proper air attacks, upsmash, grenade spacing and lastly, uptilt?
I have also hit numerous downsmashes
>Has to risk killing himself to recover
He has one of the best recoveries in terms of direct vertical travel
Paired with back/down/neutral air or grenades you are almost always guaranteed safe landing
>No disjoint
>Slow as fucking balls
Not that slow and has probably the deadliest spacing tools in the entire game
>No good OOS options
Drop grenade before shield
Every character has genuine weaknesses
>Loses hard to heavies, swordfags and spacies
Swordies can't approach at all actually
Heavies generally has many disadvantages to spacies which Snake is
Spacies depends on matchup

lol

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When do you guys think 3.0 is coming out? We're half way through April and we haven't even heard about a Direct yet. I know there's gotta be one because of that stage builder leak.

I have never lost against snake, they always either dip after one match or immediately swap characters

>Uptilt is worthless
>down smash is never used
>great recovery
>good spacing moves
>pretty fast
>great OoS options
>cant fucking kill until 160 or has to fish for a bell kill and be obvious about it

His B-Throw and Side B are getting buffed in 3.0, right?

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How did you ever come to conclusion that his uptilt is worthless?

>Why can character X do this but not MYY character??
Fucking babby, drink bleach

You're shit.

Snake's entire deal is that he is a living stage hazard. Grenade usage is key because it's your main source of chip damage and how you stay on the defence (pulling out a grenade while getting combo'd makes the other guy seethe so hard). Up-smash is really useful just because of how difficult it is to dodge. After you get them in the 100 range is when you start trying to C4 and/or uptilt them but remember that your grenades are important for defence. Really, just get good with grenades, get good with C4, learn some of the tech moves and the rest will follow.

>disjointed sword hitboxes that at least match the weapons movement
>vs getting hit by the fucking air

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>Uptilt is worthless

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>Swordies can't approach
Holy shit, you're beyond fucking stupid.

Grenades are a disjoint

That can damage Snake.

He's a big guy

>sakurai turned his serviceable headbutt u-tilt from smash 4 into an even shittier version of mario's ultimate u-tilt
what did sakurai mean by this?

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>Im-fucking-plying swordfags lose matchups in this game
Oh my god, nu/v/ really is fucking retarded. You don't know a fucking thing about fighting games. Please leave.

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down air out of shield is reliable as fuck if you're skilled with connecting jall the hitboxes properly

Here is your Martha counter for tonight

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I mean we can *sometimes* poke on certain platforms at least

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>Big
>Slow
>Can't zone them out because his gordos can be reflected for some fucking reason
>Predictable recovery
He's shit.

If you make it so gordos can stand up to anything other then a light fart he would instantly jump up a tier at minimum

But you forgot the most important notes
>his disjoints are bigger
>powerful edge guarding
Fat Marth > Twink Marths

>is mediocre at off staging despite being a space dragon
>has a huge ass hitbox despite not being that heavy
>d air is a slow drop that has no practical use since his n air is just a better option
>you can wiggle out of his side b making it useless against good players
>his d special isn't viable in serious play making it useless against good players
>when he can off stage he is clunky and can only barely recover from this making it easy for good players to punish you
>most of his launching moves either have short range (eg his f smash), take too long to start up (eg his u special), or require more positioning/timing then most characters (eg his b air and u air)
>projectile is only good at specifically punishing low recoveries within a small window of time were you can charge it up and still hit the target
wow

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If you're winning with Dedede against swordfags you must be fighting a fucking toddler. I tried to main him myself but he has no way to deal with swords or getting thrown. I want him to be good too but nuSmash doesn't treat Nintendo icons with respect. You have to be an anime faglord to get buffs in this game.

Seriously though down air leads to a shitton of damage if they fail to tech on stage. You can keep looping them onstage because of the auto cancel.

I play sonic and I eat swordfags for breakfast

My fsmash literally has more range then both marth and roy's basically everything and the rest of the swordies are so slow I can whiff punish anything they throw out. They are all also gimpbait and one offstage fair or spring will kill them.

Everyone online is a toddler though

Why are 1mil+ such shitters? I just thrashed 3 people over a mil. 2 were over 2 mil.

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t.definitely not swordfags

>Confirmed and easy set up kill at 160 on all characters
>Can still kill at 90 on most lightweights
Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????????

I have all the swordies in elite though, is that close enough?

>Requires a 50/50 setup off a downthrow
>Has no range

>reading rolls is 50/50

Holy shit my dude, do you not understand how fighting games work, that shit isn't random chance or guess work. It's deadly as shit against any player that you spend half a brain cell paying attention too. Not to mention you can still punish with ftilt if you misjudge the roll if you dash back and cancel with it. That's even without being smart and setting up a trap to force the roll before grabbing.

What the fuck is your gsp

Damn. I'm sorry but you are truly shit at the game to be thinking Snake needs ANY sort of buff. He is commonly agreed to be top tier, or top of high tier at worst.
His kit is just inherently very, very strong. C4 is ridiculous, for obvious reasons (even to you, I hope).
Grenades are extremely versatile and create pressure/control. They also come out frame 1.
Up smash is broken as shit.
Up tilt Is a great kill move.
Down throw puts the opponent in an extremely dangerous position with the right set up.
Just GRABBING the opponent after something like up smash is amazing. Throws in general are great for seeing the opponent into you right explosives.

To top it all off, almost all of his normal attacks (bar jab) are kill moves at fairly reasonable percents.

Literally just get good, Snake is insane.

Ridley makes up for his shortcomings 1 on 1 with being a really good doubles character

You have any footage of that? That's not something I can imagine

Says fucking who? Ecelebs that don't play the game competitively or get results? Ask any Snake player and they will give you a conclusive list of his weaknesses.

>Uptilt is worthless
You are trash OP.

not exactly a great consellation when the meta is mostly dominated by singles.
Also I've never heard of Ridley being particularly useful in doubles. Don't think anyone is actually saying that.

>Uptilt is worthless
>No good out of shield options
>Loses hard to heavies
This cannot possibly not be bait and yet people are posting serious replies. Why is that?

Says top players that define the meta and Snake players that know how to ducking play the game.
Just re read my post and actually try to utilise his kit instead of moaning.
I played Palu in 4, she was ACTUALLY shit unlike Snake, yet you didn't see me bitching about it here.

Name one. Fucking one.

ESAM. Armada. Legend. Zero. To name a few.
And of course, just anyone with half a brain

>marth and roy
>so slow I can whiff punish anything they throw out.

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Leffen**

>ESAM
Irrelevant
>Armada
Melee player, not the same game as Ultimate
>Legend
Literally who
>Zero
Retired

Notice how you didn't name any Snake players?

>the guy that lives with the best Snake in Ultimate is irrelevant

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>Leffen
Leffen says that Snake is trash. Get your facts straight before you post.

Wow. This board is insanely misinformed when it comes to competitive smash. And not just OP. Why is Yea Forums apparently so bad at smash? Lot of random, often flat out wrong shit being said in this thread.

Leffen is a fucking idiot who is way too arrogant. Even Hbox is better then him

>Esam
Likely best Pika player, actively competes in Ultimate, labs the game and has a deep knowledge of it.
>Armada
As above but mains differmet characters
>legend
Leffen**
>Zero
The best smash 4 player and still an active Ultimate player that again generally knows what he's fucking talking about.

If you want a snake player, ally.

>implying you aren't just as trash

Show me where Ally says Snake is good. One tweet, one clip, anything. I bet you can't.

Do people really main characters they don't think are good?

>Being a tierfag instead of maining your bro

He mains him for a start. And recently posted his MU spread which indicates how he does favourably against most of the cast.
How about you try and prove why Snake's kit is bad instead Of being petty.

>entering tournaments and purposefully not using the better tools at your disposal

What do you think i did in the OP? Why don't you post the matchup spread instead of shitposting?
t."skilled" Wolffag

twitter.com/MVD731/status/1113278031475425280

The things you posted in the OP? The things that don't make any sense/aren't true and that everyone in the thread has already disproven?

OP BTFO

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Disproven how? By calling me a retard instead of refuting my points?

The stuff here that you chose not to address because you knew it was correct

>C4
Requires you to be right in their fucking face to stick, otherwise it's irrelevant against most of the cast.
>Grenades
Can hurt him. In fact more often than not they just make the MU harder for him.
>Up smash
Situational at best.
>Up tilt
Nerfed.
>Down throw
Works if your opponent is a brainlet.
>Normals are kill moves
L O L

Have you even played Snake? Even once?

>No losing matchups
Opinion discarded. MVD doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about anyway. Show me Ally or Salem's spreads.

twitter.com/AllyUltimate/status/1115747871175970816

Much better. Bump all the sword characters up to -1 and the characters in -1 to -2 and it's almost perfect.

Up tilt is still an amazing kill move. It's still a great anti air.
If you know the hitbox downsmash can clip people hanging off the ledge and has surprising kill potential due to the trajectory.
Snake is somewhat heavy to compensate for c4 recovery,
I main Snake and I see him as high tier imo.

>all these anons not getting one of the oldest image memes here

>tfw Bayo main
>can literally do nothing against Snake

>up smash situational at best
drop grenade while back is to opponent
do a dash pivot up smash.

Have a wall of explosives infront of me, that covers if they try to jump or run towards me.

Fucking upsmash is so useful. literally it fucks with people who jump. you can use it at the ledge for ledgetrapping too.

i secondary snake. you have to be smart with him in order to play him well.