Change it back: NEVER EVER edition

>50% of players are spics/chinks with shit internet
>terrible inconsistent source hitboxes
>hitting headshots because of these two reasons was not only a matter of pure skill but also a fair amount of luck
>they still fucking nerfed it to useless shit
>rocketnigger and grenadenigger untouched because the autistic "competitive" fanbase would throw a fit to rival any riot in the last 20 years if their high mobility high damage spam classes were so much as glanced at

if you're going to leave a game dead in the water and only update it periodically to print money with virtual cosmetics the least you could do is just leave OG weapons literally nobody had a problem with alone and not unnecessarily fuck with the balance of already neglected and underpowered classes, i barely even play spy and still know it was a low blow

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I'm still mad

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CHANGE BACK THE SANDMAN AND BONK THEY SUCK NOW

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>stopped playing in 2011
>come back to this
lmao you zoomer niggers will never know fun

>remove headshot cooldown
ez fix

Just use stock

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What’d they do with bonk?
>t. Pyro main who’s still fucking mad about axtinguisher

I still dont even know where the nerf came from. Not even compfags complained about the Ambassador.
Youtubers didnt complain about it. No one aside from the salty kid who gets dominated by it.

My theory is that some Balance member just go salty of getting stomped by the gun and decided to nerf it. I mean, look at the initial planned nerf: "50% chance to miss the first shot" that's a salty nerf.

And what still baffles me is how non Spy YT'ers and Reddit instantly jumped on the bandwagon saying the Amby is OP. Fuck Pubfags.

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Is it just one really autistic person posting about the Ambassador 'nerf'? It's always been 102 damage for a headshot. And the stock revolver has ALWAYS been better for every situation.

That would actually be pretty neat

they already explain their reasoning behind the nerf, which was that spies shouldn't be snipers and the ones who were fucking around with the amby were basically wasting their time and dragging the team down

I do. And I have huge success with it because of the amby training.
But itd be nice to actually have a more reliable gun to play flank with

Well either way, it was stupid powerful and I loved it. I guess it felt like a one shot because most people were usually injured when you engaged them.

That Orange Map with the tower in the center was pure comedy

Are you the same autistic fag that seethed at anyone that dared to say the amby could be reworked into a great close to mid range spy revolver instead of an all range weapon?
Extend the current falloff range to at minimum the range of sentry fire so you can still headshot the engie, remove the weapon accuracy downside and you got a fairly decent weapon that addresses certain complaints people had about the weapon and still keep what spies actually used the amby for (Close to mid range fighting for when the knives were not viable).
t. Someone who thinks the Diamondback is also bullshit.

>Posting a Starry Krow thumbnail
He's a good spy main but god damn, you have thousands of other spy mains to choose from.

God forbid a player have any fun at all landing head shots in a pub while he's got +5 special ed team mates doing fuck all. Pretty sure the balancing team doesn't even play the game, because literally every match I've ever played on TF2 out of over 3000 hours was not won or lost because of somebody using the Ambassador.

I haven't played in years.
What did they do to it?
The ambassador was never good unless you had great aim to headshot on the fly with it.

Sure you might have been able to troll some engineers with it from some corner of the map, but then so could a sniper.
Cause shitty engineers put their shit on those kind of places.

Retarded explanation that I dont acknowledge.
Nerf bushwacka combo, sniper shouldnt play like a spy
Nerf Sandvich, Heavy shouldnt play a medic role
Nerf Mad Milk, Scout shouldnt play a medic role
Etc. Its a retarded argument because obviously it's a false equivalence

>B-B-BUT MUH RETARD TRICKSHOTTERS IN SPAWN T_T
I dont understand how this even is an arguement. Their will always be retarded garbage players doing dumb shit. Plus who fucking cares about Pub Balance?
You can go Gun Spy with the L'etranger and still pub stomp.

I hate how they come up with such complex rules for it each update. Why not something simple? Like, 50% slower firing speed? Makes more sense than the lowered accuracy nonsense.

>Changed attributes:
>Headshot damage is now subjected to distance falloff effects.
>Headshots beyond 1200 world units do normal non-crit damage.
I assume this is what people are bitching about. It's fucking nothing.

They placed damage falloff on it. The problem is that the damage falloff range is too short, so even something like the smaller hallway in 2fort means that you are doing less damage than usual.

literally nobody plays exclusively with the bushwacka/sandvich/mad milk, your argument is invalid as shit

Can it still two shot with a headshot and follow up bodyshot? Yes? Then it's fine.

not unless they remove the headshot cooldown, which is a change I'm hoping they'll do, because it'll make amby somewhat useful again over the stock

Close range yes (As in skullcutter range) yes, mid range no.

"-15% damage penalty
20% slower firing speed
No random critical hits
Critical damage is affected by range"

do you even know how short of a distance 1200 world units is in TF2? fuck off, it's one of the most garbage weapons spy has now, all the same difficulties with a quarter of the payoff

Damage fall off based on range.
Headshot at mid range will do like 72. It's a pretty sharp fall off, Some Spies did calc and the Revolver out DPS it at all ranges

Not him. But the gun should have no fall off.
>gun excelled at close to mid range
Someone finally fucking gets it. God tier flank gun.
StaryKrow guarantees (you)s

>short of a distance 1200 world units is in TF2
the gun isn't a fuckin sniper rifle it's a get behind and pop off gun

>bawww I cant aimbot people across the map and larp as scopeless sniper anymore

That shit was retarded. A sniper who can take potshots all day for 109 damage and disappear or feign death whenever he wanted, effectively being a better quickscope sniper and viable at any range, was retarded. Hackers used it religiously (they use Sniper religiously too but at least people boot/report those.)

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Bushwacka isnt core
But you're fucking retarded if you dont think the Sandvich or Milk isnt.
In fact the MM is banned in Comp I think because of how good it is.
The arguement is retarded, get over it.
The playstyle of the Amby is vastly different from a Sniper's

Changing the sandman from stun to slowdown is the worst thing they could have done to it.

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I know you are not going to like any changes to the amby, I get it, but I also like to throw out middle grounds so that you can still be rewarded for what your skill.

How about make it the usual schtick: The fallout applies to body shots but not to the headshot component. Rewards good spies who can land shots and allows them to fight at all ranges but punishes bad spies and make them fight more close and mid range until they can consistently land those shots.

Also we are dancing around the proverbial bush: How do we bring the Diamondback more in line? Any argument you can make for the amby you can make for the diamondback that gives you crits for doing spy shit. At least the Frontier Justice requires you to destroy your own sentry for those crits.

>smaller hallway in 2fort
>Headshot at mid range will do like 72. It's a pretty sharp fall off, Some Spies did calc and the Revolver out DPS it at all ranges

you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to try and actually hit a character in the head from behind? especially the ones that hunch over, obscuring the already shit hitbox even more? they trashed the best weapon spy had, 1200 units, like i said, is fucking nothing, a grenade can roll further than that

Close range?
Yes
Mid range?
Wait 1 second or face RNG, PLUS its 72ish plus another 20 or 30. So you're not killing shit.

If you're at close range, just go Revolver or enforcer and get easy body shots instead of aiming.

102
>balancing around hackers
Man, you retards are getting desperate trying to justify this bad nerf

you know what the fuck I meant

I'm conflicted on the sandman. On one hand I hate stuns and anything that stops me from fighting back against the enemy (Except death of course) but on the other hand they gutted the weapon while keeping the biggest downside of -15 health.

I can't think of an alternative where I can still fight back but the scout actually has a tangible advantage over me. I suck at balance ideas. Also while we are talking about weapons: We should make it the cleaver crits on bleeding targets. Give us a reason to use the Wrap Assassin and give extra utility to the basher.

>Weebshit reaction image with transparency designed to post on Yea Forums
>Retarded shitpost attached to it

Every time

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>that usual schtick
Sounds perfect and reasonable

DB buff: mini crits. It's as easy as that. And have 5/4 clip size incase someone have an engie tele enabler.
You'll still be able to do amazing damage and body shot after "playing spy" but wont be able to body snipe a heavy across the map

theres literally nothing wrong with trannies

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And you know your(Valve's) arguement is shit.
Oh well.

43%

no you retard, I clearly wasn't talking about using a particular item, I was talking about using that item and literally nothing else
mainly if it's a fucking secondary

>join server
>cl_interp spy with dr and memeback powerpointing around the map
nah you faggots deserve everything you get

Outside of flamethrower range you only do 80 damage now. That's how fucking retarded the damage fall off is.

109 isn't even a multiple of 3 retard.

here go op

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Moving Goalposts: the Post
The arguement was about encroaching on another class's role. Not about overusing the weapon.
Please fuck off, I cannot stand this stupid dumbshit reddit arguement. Theres always 1 Valve Apologizer who pushes it and then backpedals hard when they get inevitably BTFO

Pretty much. Now at least you don't have to time your shots only to have the headshot do 60...

Spamming bodyshots is the only use of Ambi unless you're just dealing with a stationnary target at stab range.

what the fuck are you even talking about
that’s literally what the argument was about this whole time, retard

Sniper is perfectly balanced as he is.
People that disagree don't understand the game.

Even though I feel for other spy mains, I always used l'entranger so amby nerf didn't affect my playstyle too much.

I've always gravitated to utility items on the other classes as well now that I think about it.

>they already explain their reasoning behind the nerf, which was that spies shouldn't be snipers and the ones who were fucking around with the amby were basically wasting their time and dragging the team down

Now go commit Killbind, retarded ValveDrone

Sniper is OP as fuck in the hands of someone actually good, however the likelihood of encountering someone on that level is so small compared to the amount of trash snipers that people don't even think about how powerful he is.

except that post wasn’t mine, I was replying to your “nerf sandvich/MM” post which was retarded as fuck

I miss the old demo knight

I saw some faggot trying to snipe with that thing the other day and bitching whenever he got sniped back by the actual snipers. it was fucking glorious.
this gun doesn't need long range. it needs a short-range buff so that it actually rewards careful aim. at the moment it barely out DPSs the stock revovler despite requiring so much more effort

At least spy in TF2 is better than spy in most other Team Fortress games/mods

Pre-nerf tideturner with the clayde trimping everywhere was so fun.

Well because it was the best option if the revolver was just a utility item to you and not something you actively focused on using. If you rely on your knife for the majority of kills then it's the best revolver in the game. Amby was great at putting yourself in less compromising positions and trying to assassinate important targets from range, If you made it work you could take out most classes in 2 shots, and you'd be far away enough to escape safely. Most people were shit with it, though. Compared to the knife which is very easy to get a pick with it but good luck surviving after that first stab against competent players.

I preferred the splendid screen, even without turn hacking. Get enough heads, and you can go around 1-shotting heavies with shield+crit combo.

All i want is an update :(

>a legitimate sniper from -AA- uses your favorite community server as his stomping ground
>over 200k sniper kills
>top of the server every time
>didnt speak any english on what was an english only server

Guy was fucking INSANE, ive never seen someone so fucking good. I used to have sniper battles with him since I was at one point extremely good sniper, but he showed me just how much better you can be.

-AA- is a sniper only clan from TFC, then into TF2 for people who dont know, they make up some of the best snipers in the game.

youtube.com/watch?v=xLagg9pkcOY

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I have to have EBOLA to know the tf2 update

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In all honesty, sniper is brutally buttfucked by team play.
If two players coordinate an attack even on the best of snipers, he'll be fucked and at most take one of them, which is something that even works with spinbots to an extent.

The only way sniper could be nerfed would be through his shooting, and doing that would just disgust good sniper players away from the game, and get not so good snipers to become even less efficient.
Classes can rely on many aspects, whether it's the damage, the area denial potential, the movement etc, but sniper literally only has shooting, which is why it's ten times harder to nerf/buff sniper without totally changing the class than it is to modify a class like heavy or soldier.

They could've nerfed it to deal 2 damage and I'd still use it.
Nerfing the speed was the most retarded way to deal with the problem.

Fucking this, BFB was fine, why did they nerf it to oblivion

>Ability to 1 shot kill ANYBODY on the map from any range with a hitscan weapon
>Jarate is one of the best support items in the entire game, giving your team mini crits is fucking yuge
>If you are a god you get rifles that charge up even faster, can 1 shot body shot other snipers or scouts in a pinch easily
>Even if you don't headshot you leave someone critically injured if they aren't a heavy and force them to retreat to a medpack or seek a medic
>Have plenty of locations where only a scout or spy are of any real threat to you taking a sneaking road, soldiers and demo's are obvious and can be popped out of the air easily even with a body shot
>Said classes can be quick scope head shotted anyways

In the hands of a man with true insane talent it's absolutely horrifying what a sniper can pull off. He can shut down Lanes of attack from ever being used just out of fear.

Oh no doubt, I was just trying to make a point that sniper is crazy OP and it's silly how many people disregard him because of his few hard counters and just how many bad players flock to him. Just taking a step back and looking at the damage he can pull off is fucking silly.

How would you fix sniper without imbalancing the game? Like for example, sniper is THE best counter to heavy medic combos. Genuine question because the only solution I have made is "headshot doesn't occur instantly when you look down the sight but it has a slight charge instead"

The lynchpin to the sniper is his headshot cooldown. All other attributes are secondary, at best.

>sniper is op guise
good thing the other team can’t have a sniper as we- oh wait

Don't worry user, I understood, I was just trying to highlight my point of view for people that may be going through the thread.

The only realistically good way to nerf sniper is through his rate of fire.
Nerfing his mobility is stupid since he already has less mobility than any other class.
Nerfing his hp basically opens the door to getting one shot by a fuckload of things from shotgun meatshots to blast damage.
Nerfing his damage breaks the ability to one shot fully overhealed heavy, which is one of the primary design intents behind sniper
Nerfing his range (aka making sure he can't headshot under a certain radius) sounds really inconsistent and unfun, especially since it's so consequential
Which leaves us only with either melee damage, rate of fire, or something else which I didn't think of.

yeah in my absolute prime, pl_badwater was my go to for pubstomping and id honestly prevent the team ever pushing the cart very far. Didnt help the other team that I also had a team behind me. I think I had over 1,000 hours on Sniper alone, its just so much fucking work because its all about muscle memory and mastering flickshotting. I wouldnt be good enough though to carry as a sniper in actual competitive though.

that isnt the point anyone is making, the point is that no class has such a skill difference from a bad sniper, to a good sniper to a godly sniper, and a godly sniper seems almost OP, while a bad sniper is fucking useless, and a good sniper just carries his weight and feels fine.

>what is spy

He's only really unbalanced in highly skilled hands, for an unskilled pub player he can be countered by scouts, jumping demos/soldiers, other snipers, spies etc.
I think giving him a brief delay before he can headshot would help a lot, so he can't quickscope scouts, spies etc trying to counter him. Buffing spy would also indirectly nerf him, but that would involve doing anything positive for spy mains, so let's not entertain that notion.

They gave it massive slowdown after the effects wear off, presumably so that scout can't be assholes with the timing of the bonk wearing off

>what is having ears, awareness, and a fucking SMG and melee
>thinks any spy that also isnt some god is gonna do anything to a godly sniper

Two of the rarest classes when it comes having someone super high skilled.

Imagine being so bad at the game that you want to nerf sniper

sniper is a pretty braindead class, I always switch to him when i'm doing bad

>Things no one ever said

baby face blaster
I didn't really care about him till I started fucking around with this
just make it so you don't lose all your boost on damage and make fall damage not affect it
maybe increase reload speed and deploy speed a little bit
it sucks to be grazed by a stray shotgun blast and lose all of it

Probably making it so headshots don't apply right after scoping and require a very small amount of charge, like 10%, for a headshot. Making it so you can't instant pop someone would likely be the best way to balance him. Maybe make it so headshot under that percentage is at least a mini crit. Otherwise, lowering his RoF and taking longer between shots.

Still I'd be hard pressed for anyone to accept nerfs to sniper because of how the player base views him, and how he's only picked situationally in comp play. TF2 competitive never did have a time to shine to really bring these kinds of things to light though. At the end I dont think he even needs to be nerfed per say.

Main issue with spy is he's much more dependant on the other team. Assuming you are against competent players, it's hard to make more then 1 pick before instantly getting outed and blown to shit, and people are very well aware of the dead ringer bullshit at that level too. That's the main thing holding back a godly spy, and probably the reason amby spy was so desired because he had range and could take out a key target and escape before the other team could reliably pick him.

>history of being OP
it was perfectly balanced before the last major rework.

no, it was literally a direct upgrade to stock

>Ability to kill most classes with 2 shots instead of 3
>Not instantly better then every revolver besides an amby

Amby was only better if you got 2 headshots. The enforcer took a steaming shit on every other revolver before the nerf, though they did really overdone the nerf.

Is TF2 dead?
Will we ever get another big update?

there is 1 big one confirmed you dumbass, and it will be the last big one.

It's going to have a community for years to come. But don't hold out hope for big updates after the heavy one.
Jungle Inferno was a year and a half ago already

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>the last big one
Isn't that literally telling everyone that TF2 is dead?

How would you fix the buffalo steak sandvich?

Snipers are cancer in every game where they exist. Prove me wrong.

Do you really think anyone here doesnt realize that TF2 is dead at a development level? The game will have players for a long time, and probably never truly die for a very long time, but we all know development is dead.

Hell the fact we got SUCH big fucking updates 10 years later is pretty incredible, most games dont have this.

Dunno about you but I’m still enjoying community updates like the Potato MvM events
You even get ingame badges for completing contracts, and there’s already another one coming up

R6 siege

No it wasn't DPS wise they did the same amount.
youtube.com/watch?v=RjTUrgING30
If you look at damage thresholds for different common health amounts and buildings, it's 50/50 between stock and enforcer. There's an old spreadsheet documenting this that I haven't been able to find but I'll post it when I do.

>Ability to kill most classes with 2 shots instead of 3
that is true but against the other classes and against buildings it lost to the revolver.

Now I am a brainlet who only recently found out about sapper armour. Does it apply to you shooting a building another spy is sapping?

>its another "b-b-but it wasnt me xd" episode
Please just shut up, you idiots get so annoying sometimes, I swear.

Also "he uses the gun 100% of the time" No. You use it when necessary. Being able to play mid range gun Spy is a blessing instead of having to constantly stay cloaked and waiting for the next suicide dive for a pick.

If you're arguing for a pub context. Just lmao.

>How would you fix sniper without imbalancing the game?
Reduce charge when moving around while scoping.

took ya long enough
just use revolver lmao

>balance around cheaters

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Nope, only damage from the sapping spy is reduced.

Significantly less reserve ammo and slightly longer reloads. Only minicrits on headshot until it starts charging. Maybe a slight nerf to movement speed. In exchange buff SMG damage and replace the charge bar with a number.

My b. I cant spend the whole day sperging over the Ambassador.
Yeah I do use stock, it's not the same.

This game was dead the moment they decided weapons shouldn't have passive effects. I like how Scout had so many side secondaries and melee weapons and now almost none of them are ever used anymore because stock covers all your bases. Pyro suffers the same problem on top of his nerfed flamethrower damage because the class specializing in close combat can't be good at his job or people will cry.

Why give us side options if we can't make use of them? Part of the game's fun, for me at least, was mixing shit together for the hell of it even if it wasn't wholly effective.

Spy is too reliant on other what people choose to do. You can't simply outplay everyone on skill alone. It's like sniper in it's unique mechanics, with the difference being that spy mechanics are easily countered by anybody on any class, if they're paranoid enough.

>what are trick stabs

a last resort that rarely works on players who know how to counter them

Pyro can't be good at close combat because the flamethrower takes no effort to use.
If you know where your left mouse button is you're instantly on the same level as every other pyro in terms of flamethrower use.

Straight DPS isn't the reason it was an upgrade. It was the slower firing speed. Accuracy drops off hard after the first shot, and you have to wait a while for it to return to normal. Enforcer was min-maxed against that. A slower attack speed also meant that it had to reload less often, and got higher damage per unit of ammo.

Which isn't to say the increased attack speed didn't have some uses, just that the higher damage per shot was almost always more valuable.

>just that the higher damage per shot was almost always more valuable.
against buildings it was shit since you couldn't burst them down as quickly and you almost always have to suffer that disguise penalty. that is a pretty big downside.

I thought we were talking about BEFORE the disguise penalty.

No not that far back. It was definitely broken then.

>bfb will never be unnerfed
I would even take its original state, its just poopy dogshit right now.

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Oh. If we're talking about after, yeah, now it's shit.

I miss the days when every Spy was running around killing everything as "Dr. Enforcicle."

The most fun I had was getting random crits with pre patch Loch n Load.

Did the competitivefags really win in the end?

>put lots of parts and get lots of kills on your nice strange
>they do some shitty rebalancing and now you never use it

I know that feel

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Dead ringer damage reduction was a mistake. Spycicle + deadringer is a fucking travesty.

damage reduction was fine
the problem was the speed boost and the fire immunity (lol?)

itt: laugh at spy main niggers lmao

but it ends with a 9.
3x3=9

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No it wasn't fine giving the spy higher effective health than the heavy. The nightmare of the speedboost+fire immunity+ammo recharging was worse, but it was still bad.

It didnt deserve it.

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>degreaser
>shitty

explain why you wouldn't just use a different watch at that point, since you NEED to take damage in order to cloak

It went from a fun weak weapon to a boring average weapon

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The switch speed alone makes me still like this thing. If you sneak up on someone with it you can do insane damage, too- good for eureka effect engy.

>2-shot wonder against Sniper
and sentries (after you sap them)

It IS shitty, compared to its old incarnation. It was the only flamethrower that made Pyro fun/viable

Reverted by all crits become minicrits at far ranges.

I figure I'm only using shotguns when I'm in close proximity with my opponent, so I always just go with the Panic, unless it clashes with the loadout's aesthetic.

Disguise breaking shot on Diamondback doesn't crit and does half damage, but doesn't use up crits.

No vulnerability. You're still using only melee and giving up both healing and a shotgun, why make it even harder to do do melee killing?

Spy mains are fucking gnomes

Flamethrower still takes some skill, like following your moving target, not to mention airblasting and out-of-combat stuff, like getting into good positions. But when you get a good chance to W+M1, it's much easier.
But the hatred Pyro gets is still ridiculous.

fuck baby face blaster. always think they are spy scouts and its usually noobs with them

Deadringer can now pick up invis ammo while visible with 50% reduction. But there's no extra damage reduction after feigning, just default 20%. Also is now immune to all debuffs, including fire and Jarate, for the length of the speed boost.

phlog takes skill. there, I said it.

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That's but how it works.
A number is multiple of 9 if the sum of it's digits (and the sum of the digits of the results of it's not a 1 digit result) is equal to 9.
109
1 + 0 + 9 = 10
1 + 0 = 1
Also use your fucking calculator retard, 109÷3=36,333

36,333 is a multiple of 3 though

>Hating on Ankle Dan

That spies not one of ours!

if it didn't people would use it more often but it really isn't used that much

AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE OF NERFS

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>playing sniper
>phlog pyro jumps me from a corner
>wearing the danger shield so I don't die instantly
>he taunts
>youdonfuckedupnow.jpg
>aim at his head while he is ubered
>uber ends 0.0001 seconds before the animation does
>headshot him before he even budges a millimeter or shoots a single flame
>taunt
>trashtalk
God bless whoever was in charge of making the phlog taunt code, since I discovered this, not a single phlog pyro has killed me with crits.
You don't have a three digit iq do you?

Oh yeesh now your post....tis a cringe....

I've got enough cells up there to know when I'm being baited ;)

Mhh tears

>merely pretending
get lost

only time I ever umph near people is when I know I'm going to die anyways

>ten seconds from victory
>YOU ARE NOW ON BLU
And people wonder why I stopped playing.

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Autobalance is evil, but it's a necessary evil.
That's what I learned when I kept getting dumped into 2v9 games after Meet your Match.

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who cares the games over, you achieve nothing from winning anyway.

goddamn.

Is Spy a good father?

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>109÷3=36,333
>36,333
>,
you what

No, and he's well aware of the fact that he's an unacceptably bad father. That's why he chose to let Scout die with a happy fantasy instead of the harsh truth.

>Meet your Match
only faggots liked the update
that and ctf shitters

if it's a straight upgrade from another weapon, it's not balanced

Eventually scout has to learn the truth

If he actually stayed with scouts mom he could have. But then they'd be a target of other spies.
Plus scouts mom has been railed by the entire neighborhood at that point, given the number of siblings he has.

I kinda enjoy some of his videos, but I cannot take anything meant to be serious, he has some absolutely shit opinions, is a condescending prick, and always brings some absolute shit arguments to discussions, that will get blindly defended by his band of retarded followers.

>Is Spy a good father?
I mean in Expiration Date he sent what he thought was the last hours of his life trying to get him laid right so that's pretty good

I see someone dumb and I can't help myself

Question. You spy main fags cry and cry again on how amby is worse then stock but when it gets nerfed you fucking flip out for over nearly a year saying to revert it back. If its so bad and it has no fun gameplay gimmick why are you so upset?

Maybe she had just lost a long-term husband. Spy wouldn't love a whore, but he might love a widow.

Euros use commas in decimals.

What are some decent TFtubers? I really just want stuff like "weapons ideas" videos and good SFMs.

There already is a brief delay before you can headshot as sniper.
Back in 2007/early 2008 you could literally hit M2 and M1 in quick succession and you'd be able to headshot before the scope even came up.

After Breakfast, RobTheAwsm and Exany if you like weapon stuff. Stay away from any of soundsmiths gang, they're all stupid and don't exactly have the best idea of humour, it's very lolsorandom.

I honestly don't know why I am still subbed to sound smith.

No love for the ullapool caber? Shit went from a last hurrah or sniper troll tool to something that gives one hit of back scratcher damage at the cost of your dignity

I just want to detonate while taunting. The whole idea of it, preventing you to detonate cause you can peak falls flat when you can just high five to look around corners, and able to cancel at any time too.

Why the FUCK should the Spy be able to snipe? I still think headshotting as a Spy is a crutch because it means you failed getting a backstab the first time. The class would actually require skill if the revolvers did shit damage and were meant to be used as a last resort.

Holy shit, do you sincerely believe Spy should be able to damage at all ranges? There's a class where their entire gimmick is range.

Increase time between shots. It's a support class.

Yeah, a few new items changes everything

Its still fun to use, just not viable. Go into Medieval mode and go Ullaknight, shit is fun. I just want the fucking blast radius back.

>Touted as the skillful pyro weapon.
>Takes aim to use
>People getting mad they're getting fucking demolished by 5 pyros using it.
it gets nerfed
>usages drops completely as now its even harder to use then the standard rocket launcher.
>most pyros forced to go back to being retarded in purpose
>including myself.
>Still does less damage then the stock flamer but now the room for error is massive.

I will forever seethe that Valve listened to shitters and forcing me to go back to a weapon thats been stigmatized as the pyro normal flame throwers.

You'd have to compensate the sniper by increasing his SMG damage.

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as a Spy main I would rather Valve outright remove Enforcer from the game than bring back Dr. Enforcicle. Zero variety in primaries was fucking boring.

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>b-but you have to aim it's s-skill
can sandman shitters get lost with their "you need to aim so it's balanced" argument

They just needed to reduce the projectile hitbox by like 10%.

deserved it, fuck you
being unable to fight back after some scunt hitting you with the ball flying at mach 1 was the worst no matter what class you were

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stock revolver was underrated as fuck. felt so good 3 shotting weak classes at close range, basically an instant kill when you catch someone off guard. my revolver had a count of like 5k kills on it or something

>Wilson Weave + Mutton Mann both painted black
Yay or nay?

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>having Engie wear anything on his head that isn't a variant of a hard hat or cowboy hat

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>they already explain their reasoning behind the nerf, which was that spies shouldn't be snipers
In that case they should have REWORKED the ambassador, rather than just flat out nerfing it. It's not like it was actually strong-- it was a sidegrade to stock on the game's worst class.
>109
It's 102.
wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ambassador#Damage_and_function_times
Plus, if spyfags were dancing around invisible with DR, they're not exactly doing anything useful to win the game.
All this talk about "fixing" the sniper based on his amazing theoretical abilities, but you're ignoring how average he is in the actual, real game.

Pubs? You'll see Demos, Soldiers, Heavies, Medics, Scouts topscoring just as often as Sniper, and Snipers are usually hanging around the bottom of the scoreboard being dead weight.
Competitive high level play? Medic, Demo, Scout, Soldier are all higher priority classes than him which all get ran full-time, while Sniper is almost always a temporary choice.

Sure Sniper's great and can kill anything in the game in one shot from any range all the time in theory, but in practice, when played by actual humans, that doesn't happen anywhere near often enough to justify nerfing the class.

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You say that like there isn't enough hairspray in that weave to be as strong as a hard hat

post your utterly retarded weapon concepts you know will never, ever be added
>smallsword for spy which forces (non-ubered) enemies into melee on hit

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I could see that working, maybe make it do more base damage but disable backstabs or just make them crit or minicrit.

Call it the slapstick

yeah minicrit backstabs makes sense
>pro: force one enemy at a time into melee on hit
>pro: 65 base damage
>con: backstabs mini-crit
>hidden con: melee hit is not instant (not many people know this, but spy's knife is the only melee weapon that instantly deals damage as soon as you click)

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Nah, the smg is as it should be.

eyyy

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I do like After Breakfast, I'll check out the others.

that would be cancer
how would we make a weapon that lets us have honorable melee battles without the other player becoming a pussy and shooting you with a gun once they get low

they get locked into melee for 5 seconds on hit.

shit wait i'm retarded i genuinely misread it
ok maybe it's not as cancer as i thought it was i'm happy with this

>have Pardner's Pompadour
>no Elvis suit to go with
FIX THIS, VALVE

That's a great idea, though. Sounds very fun. Longer range, same damage as butterknifing, but no backstab.

I will never forgive them for what they did to my panic attack. Load a panic attack then do a 2 man taunt which would hold the rounds in the chamber. When it ended they'd get riddled with bullets. The amount of times I got called a hacker for insta deathing them in 2 seconds.
RIP old friend.

New PDA which makes you unable to build Dispensers normally but lets you have a level 1 Dispenser on your back at all times
Healing stream from the dispenser is stopped for a few seconds after taking damage
Would be kino with a Widowmaker+Short Circuit+Gunslinger combo

Why are all spy mains helplessly weeb

Reminder
Fuck off Dane go manage your shitty youtube channel

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Here's something literally copy/pasted from my Word document.

The Miniature PDA - Looks like a child's toy version of a PDA, very small in the hand.
>Builds and redeploys both dispensers and teles three times as fast. Both are also smaller and have smaller hitboxes, and neither can be upgraded, though both can be repaired. Both have 33% less health than stock level 1 buildings and take half as much metal to build.
>Dispenser heals level 3, ammo and metal given at level 1. Takes damage for every (Amount) of healing done and metal given, can be adjusted. Two can be built.
>Teles have one second recharge, but hurt themselves 20% with each teleport
Would be great for moving health.

>buildings take damage for being used as intended
This seems too retarded to work

r8 or h8 my cosmetic loadouts

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>degreaser in current year

oh my fucking god why/10

website to do this?

>buildings take damage when they are used
no

pls respond

It's obviously meant to be quick and temporary supply stations for battle engies

its really funny how the entire community hated all the changes. This update just nuked the last playstyles available.

its a direct upgrade to the shotgun and is effectively a force of nature for every class.
Old version was decent, but this is just far superior.

Also amazing against scouts.

it's been down for like a year

>throw down tele entrance outside of spawn
>push with team
>throw down two dispensers and a tele exit in less than 3 seconds each as your teams pushes
>throw down a minisentry for good measure
It would be a great weapon for quick pushes, combat engies, and when you just can't get a real nest up.

They need to remove the other downsides, or buff this thing's range. Its fun as fuck against entrenched enemies, but it needs better range for that.

Doesn't make it less boring as a weapon.

>sandman ded
>flying guillotine also ded
>lnl ded
>amby ded
>all the swords are shit now
>bison got fucked in the ass again
>shortstop got another reload nerf
fucking valve pushed me away from this game

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I dunno I get giddy when I pull the thing out and execute enemies with 100 sudden damage.
I also don't have to aim and can just chip damage enemies that are fleeing or trying to dodge.

Cloak drain nerf is retarded and the ability to disguise at will ruins the weapon's entire identity.

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>>sandman ded
>>flying guillotine also ded
good

SMG is weak as shit and isn't even as good as the pistol

It goes far deeper than this.
Every loadout set got nerfed.
Valve hasn't created a new loadout set since they started this.

if we reverted everything but the deadringer things would be much better.

Shoulda just given him more rewards for backstabbing.

Or just go balls deep with the no disguise thing, make him untargetable by sentries, and give him some crazy bonus on backstabs.

that image makes no sense
In the demo mans case, if he was bad, he would have blown himself up and died.
Pokemon trainers face no such risk however
In the soldier video, at the end he says, "and thats why they call it a zoo" because Sun Tzu's name sounds like "Zoo" at the end

>friendless faggots who watch youtubers

because if he was bad he wouldn't be in a video interview for demoman.

Also pokemon is serious business.

I just want weapon ideas. I crave them.

I don't know why you subbed to soundsmith at all
>HARD TELLS
>plays in 2fort and hightower, the easiest maps to know where your opponent is going

>tfw liked soundsmith because it reminded me of my own friends fucking around in servers
>his one video where he fucking outright says, "EVERYONE HATES RANDOM CRITS NOBODY LIKED THEM BEFORE DANE MADE A VIDEO AND PEOPLE HAD TO BE CONTRARIAN" is dumb as fuck and made me unsub to him asap

>EVERYONE HATES RANDOM CRITS NOBODY LIKED THEM BEFORE DANE MADE A VIDEO AND PEOPLE HAD TO BE CONTRARIAN
nobody really cared about random crits especially in casual

good thing stock is always king

Spy made me chuckle, sniper and medic are pretty good too.

That is 100% cuck mentality.

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Those engravings offer no tactical advantage whatsoever

Any EU fags noticed the influx of aimbot bots spamming and flooding servers recently

Random crits are unfair and unbalanced

This post was made by Uncle Dane boogeyman gang

Just play with them turned off you nofun jerk.

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Spy should have the invis damage resistance while disguised, too.
And sappers should be reworked. Clicking while crouching slides one forward, and will be a small ammo pack to everyone but the slider, and they can attach to buildings if they hit one. Sappers now have a charge meter, placing one has 2 second cooldown, sliding one has 4 second cooldown.
Now Spy has another utility in helping his team. Also it'd be fun, and that's what matters.

The fact that the Dragon's Fury was ever anything less than totally useless was a bug.
I challenge you to look at this irredeemable piece of absolute garbage and tell me that valve wanted to give pyro useful weapons in jungle inferno.

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How about a revolver with a 90% damage penalty, which tracks enemies it hits, allowing allies to see them?

No. Fuck off.

I wish it worked with the neon annihilator

>He has problems

I can forgive it all, because he single handedly raised the ambient skill level of pub engineers by something like 700% with his tutorial videos.

Having a competent defense on your team so you don't lose to a back-capping spy is worth 500 shitters telling me how random crits need to be removed.

>gas meter builds with damage meter and time
>not charged immediately when you spawn

How do people snipe in tf2 when the hitboxes are like loosely attached balloons flying in the wind? Even playing scout is frustration because meatshots sometimes just pass straight through people

I saw something like that in a thread yesterday. I like it.
You fuck off. Giving Spy more utility is a good buff to the weakest class. Give your Heavy some more ammo, but try not to give that Engie more metal while you try sapping his stuff. And the disguises just need a buff. Pressing R while disguised should show the animation of disguise's weapon reloading one unit, too.

>Pressing R while disguised should show the animation of disguise's weapon reloading one unit, too.

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It only does it if you aren't reloaded, and fucks up the animation. Try it. If you could do it freely, it'd be easier to trick people.

It takes about 10 minutes to watch a video explaining the rules,

youtube.com/watch?v=WVvUwseSUXQ

and about, say, 100 hours of determined practice sniping before you instinctually compensate for TF2 hitboxes being slightly janky.

>spy main isnt the one with the anime avatar
this is odd

I honestly doubt anyone pays that much attention to their teammate's reload animations, I know I sure don't.

FCUK ALTERNATIVE PLAY STYLES
-t. valve dev team

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When a teammate walks towards you without firing, you're naturally more suspicious, right? But if they're reloading, you think "Oh, that's why."
This would be a small buff, but a good one that makes sense. Also sappers.

>But if they're reloading, you think "Oh, that's why."
No, I think "I'm going to keep firing until they fire back or they die and turn out to have been a spy"

>Spy should have the invis damage resistance while disguised, too.
Why would you do this

And then it changes to "Fire immediately on anyone."

>Pressing R while disguised should show the animation of disguise's weapon reloading one unit, too.
You do know this means eventually that they'll shoot anyone reloading right.
Disguises are only good for short-term runaways

based

>its really funny how the entire community hated all the changes
But I liked the vast majority of the changes, as did numerous other people. And there are heaps of playstyles still available.

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Make it so that classes backstabed.. allows him to disguise as them. Resets on death.

>using steam logo as a logo for valve

recommend something for us scouts

Primaries-- stock, soda popper
Secondaries-- stock, winger, pbpp, milk, bonk, cleaver (which even without the combo is still really strong)
Melees- stock, boston basher, atomizer, candy cane, wrap assassin, sandman, SoaS, FoW

thanks to the sandman and atomizer nerf scout has more viable variety in his melee slot than ever before
I don't have time to stay to argue the rest of the other thirty posts where you regurgitate Yea Forums memes that if something got a slight nerf it's forever useless, so just pretend I convinced you fully

>FoW
No one uses this, not even in meme loadouts

I use it in mvm

Did anyone even complain about old amby? In my experience most people used other revolvers most of the time, and people who were good with amby were more respected than hated.

I miss Old babyface b4 gunmettle.
I could dedass do almost any 5 cp map easy and fast .

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