I been dissapointed by mmos for the past decade, everything after age of wushu felt like a miserable cash grab...

So I'm playing Eve Online but I'm still a newbie. What I think you're talking about are skill injectors, but they're not cheap. One of them will set you back about 800M ISK, and it would take an age to grind that much ISK.
I quite like the game because it can be suited to your play style. I quite like a passive game so I can have it on one screen, do some Ice Mining or manufacturing and crack on with other stuff on my other monitors. Then, if I fancy doing something more intense like Security missions then I can do that.
I'm still very focused on PvE stuff now, but I've set myself a goal to try and make 1B ISK a month. That way I can get skill injectors or start buying PLEX so the game pays for itself. Will take me a while to get there I reckon but I think it's possible.
At the minute it's the only real game I play, but I'd err on caution. It's a really REALLY complex game with a steep learning curve. Despite playing it on and off for the past 18 months there's aspects of the game that I've barely scratched the surface on.

I just want to kill npcs, and loot them, and make money, and grow stronger. Is that possible? while learning about the game through videos at work. I want to minimze social interaction as much as I can, until I'm strong and competent I guess.

Yes, the way to do it would to do security missions.
So all missions in the game go from level 1-5 and security missions have you killing NPCs. Early on, when you have no skills you will only be able to do Level 1 missions but you can quickly level up your ship skills so you can fly higher tier ships and compete in higher level missions. Right now I've just started to comfortably do Level 3 security missions, though I did buy PLEX to sell for a cash boost ages ago, which meant I could get higher level ships easier without having to constantly grind for more ISK.
Socialization rarely happens in the game if you're not in a corp (read Guild) so yeah, go for it I say.
Just something I've only just realized in the game, if you kill NPCs, you can "scavenge" their ships if you have a scavenger module attached to your ship, which gives loot you can sell on the marketplace for extra ISK. If you get a mobile tractor unit you can deploy that next to your ship, kill enemies and let the tractor unit tractor all the wrecks next to your ship, ready for you to scavenge.

at what point do I need to start paying the subscription?

Security missions are only the tip of the PvE iceburg and is really only newbro PvE content.

Once you actually get some skill and knowledge moving into null-sec to do anomalies and DED/Escalations is a step up. There's also wormhole combat sites, frigate burner missions, and Abyssal sites.

High Security space security missions are the safest and least profitable option, if you're looking to advance your money making/skill injector purchases, you're gunna need to learn more to take your pve to the next level.

how bad is it to die to griefers in nullsec? I know it's risky, but I have no idea how much I'm putting on the line for going to do a mission there and be raped by the pirates.

I am a humble high-sec minor, making occasional trips to a moon mining facility to help a corporation mine lunar ore as one more extra body. When I'm with these groups, well protected, I bring my stinkiest work horse and enjoy my efforts. When I'm out mining by myself, I will take a stealth ship around the system, flagging each asteroid belt for enemies to warp into as to take note when particular belts are later visited by others. Before I leave the bay with my simple Procurer, I do a background check on everyone in system, investigating if they're potential threats or seem otherwise neutral. While mining, I'll keep up my D-Scan to watch for far away enemies and browse the market for where my ore may best sell - if it sells for less than 90% of Jita, I cash it in raw to my sponsoring corporation. I'll sometimes entertain myself while scanning the solar transits for a minor amount of money and cosmetics on the side. I'm if feeling whimsical after mining, I'll take a very simple, barely fit Ibis, and scan down for a wormhole leading to the Thera system to see if I can't deliver some goodies from there.

It can be fun, but you need to educate yourself on the ins and outs of the game. You need to figure out just how safe you are at all times and what to do if a situation gets dicey. There's a fair amount to do if you're playing for free, but it's mostly about setting a goal and then leisurely getting to it, rather than trucking your way there.

so join a corp

not having a sub from day 1 is a big negative because alphas train twice as slow, in addition to the other negatives.
Unless you are one of those super kike Yea Forums guys that don't like to pay for anything then you will be in a very big starting disadvantage and then you will cap your sp and you will forever be in a disadvantage, and making isk as an alpha is not exactly the easiest thing.

My suggestion is you buy 1 month of game time with real money, if you have a friend that plays use his recruitment link and he will get free stuff he can then share with you, also steam currently has a free 100% discount starter pack, it doesn't give much but it's something, and you CAN convert your steam account into a regular account so there is no negatives to starting with steam.

I would say missions are GARBAGE way to make isk and you learn very little about the game and the community, if you want to dive into the game try scanning, and take it to wormholes and nullsec, you will get a very quick realization about the game mechanics, the corporations that own sov, the type of nationalities that compromise them, more game mechanics and much more, and scanning (even if rng) can result is impressive amounts of isk for even a day 1 player.

However keep in mind that alphas cannot learn cloak, so hunting and killing your scanner will be very easy for any even semi experienced player.
Keep in mind you WILL die, and you will lose everything in the ship.
Once you have more skills you can try training for a BS and doing incursions for a lot of isk for very little effort, but I generally don't recommend content that requires being in highsec or even lowsec, nullsec and wormholes is where all the fun is at, wormhole being the absolute most fun you can have in this game, but it's rather newplayer unfriendly while nullsec is the opposite, many big alliances have newfag friendly corps that will wrangle you just fine, just don't stay there.

You'll only die if you're bad. You join a corp that has an intel network setup for the region of space your in, reporting any hostiles they see in the region. You also have local chat which will tell you immediately if any hostile enters your solar system. The only way you die while running anomalies or missions is if you're bad or not paying attention.

Traveling to the location is a different story, almost all your real danger will be in traveling, which can still be done relatively safely with the right knowledge and refits (Microwarp drive+cloak). I would no recommend blinding traveling into null for a mission but if you make null your home, have allies around to help report, learn the skills required to travel relatively safely, and pay attention to your surroundings, it's fine.

stay the fuck away from it
normally i would say "you're x years too late" for these kind of games, but EVE was never good to begin with

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Not him, but the game has the space police known as CONCORD and rating systems of 1.0 to I think -0.5. From 1 to 0.5 is high-sec, CONCORD will warp to your location to kill whoever attacks you, with the further from 1 space, the slower their reaction time. It isn't a guarantee safety but it's a guarantee vengeance. Below 0.5 space is low-sec, where military NPC forces are minimal but still present, but you are otherwise fair game. Further down the rabbit hole and it's every man for himself. Pirates absolutely hold sovereignty in null-sec and going there by yourself is almost always guaranteed suicide. Not only do they own these systems in gangs, but devices that slow your ship or prevent it from warping can be used here. Then there's W-Space, or wormholes, where you can't even see who you're in system with, if anyone, and no one can hear you scream. If you die in a wormhole, you more than likely will not find your way back if you didn't save your locations. And if you're trapped inside one for more than 24 hours? The exits change and you might not ever make it out alive, if not at least on the other side of the universe.

Stuff par low-sec is advanced to end game, for the record.

also to add, never stay in highsec, don't live there, not even more than a day it will turn you into a faggot and a shit player, just don't mine AT ALL unless you are doing it with rorqs, but by then you will probably don't even need my advice, or for ganking.

Try everything in the game, just keep in mind that you will be a fag and you probably won't have fun if you don't include some sort of PvP in the list of things to do.
don't listen to stupid faggots that say you only die if you are bad, everyone dies, everyone no matter how good.
Just take a look at zkillboard.com/
People that don't die are usually risk averse and barely even play the game, if you don't risk your ship you get nowhere.
That being said, don't risk stuff you are not able to replace, don't fly autism chariots that cost more isk that you have in assets or liquid.

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I should also clarify that you are bad and you will die. How bad that is depends on what you're flying, best to make your learning deaths in something cheap. Just make sure to learn something from each death.

wrong meme SS image

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You're stuffing this new player with jargon and information that is absolutely going to go above their head. You know that, right? A new player isn't going to magically know that Catalysts are the ideal suicide ships or what is ideal for ratting against what what faction types. That's not getting good, that's study and comes with learning and experience. He's not gonna' be piloting a battle cruiser any time soon and any amount of being good at games won't change that. Suggesting him throw himself into a swarm like Goonswarm or Test or whatever isn't something you tell a new player. You let them make that decision eventually, if they want to be part of the buttfuck collective or try to be part of a low sec gang or a wormhole carebear group or high sec low risk group.

is there a bunch of dogfighting in EVE?

>you can do anything!
>start up game, you can't do anything

Don't even bother with EVE
With every fucking update they pander to carebears harder, you can't even declare war on corps unless you have structures in space, and so do they. Its so frustrating seeing what used to be a pretty good unforgiving game being slowly worn down to appease crybabies who are mad other people might shoot them

Yea Forums corp where?

just go back to wow with a comment like that

I want to say yes, but no. Combat is pseudo-turn based, where your ship orbits another ship while your weapons go through cycles. You can do things like use your micro warp drive, warp away and back onto them or what have you, but the combat is pretty simple. Most fighting consists of one group of folks warping unsuspecting onto one or more dudes, maybe 4v4 or so, or if you join a Zerg group, then you get to pilot what they tell you when they tell you and maybe you'll get to see a big war before someone loses their shit and steals everyone's shit or you lose it all somehow.

nobody that can rub two brain cells together cares about wars, wars are a retarded highsec meme
if you live in highsec just might as well quit the game, it's like playing an MMO just to be a twink and never reach max level.

Wormholes are just as dangerous as ever, but you are probably afraid of those.

>someone insulted my spreadsheet simulator's honor!

Used to be Goonswarm, way back in the day. Then it passed into Something Awful's hands. Now it's normie tier and bullies or absorbs everyone. A corporation requires people not to be self-sabetoging and a well sized, well fitted corp couldn't handle with Yea Forums at the helm. If anything, best bet would be a wormhole Corp with the dude at the helm not being a total faggot.

In february i joined a industrial- and business corp with the intend to mine belts and just have fun with the guys in teamspeak.
Now the Reddit alliance wants to take away our systems, and i found myself allied in a vast coalition of alliances and the chinese are my best friends.
I'm having the time of my life here, the level of organization these people are operating on is crazy.

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Image is no longer correct, WH has been overtaken by interest groups that control various places due to the poor mechanics. I really wish they'd return to a Mad Max wildtime where you can score lots of loot and goodfites.

>dogfighting
It's a very different style of game. So not traditional dog fighting at all. It's more like a 3D RTS where you control 1 unit with multiple abilities.

Solo pvp exist, but it's not the easiest, most of your time is spent avoiding being dog-piled and finding a "fair" fight. Most people will know what their ships have a chance of winning against, this is called an "engagement profile". Your goal is to only engage people that fall within that, and disenage from things that don't. But that's also the same thing your enemies are doing, so it's very often a cat-mouse game until the mouse finally gets caught, then it's a slaughter. There are still many even-footing engagements to be found, where both parties feel like taking the fight is worth it, they're rare though.

>Tfw living in WH space for so long made me a paranoid mother fucker even when in high sec

When people camp your hole and corp members suddenly become too busy irl to do anything about it, shit gets fucked. Scariest exodus out of that hole with my shit I ever had.

Not exactly. Most players play extremely safe, discouraging fights in general. If someone sees you have a ship that counters theirs, they'll run. Likewise, you'd be a fool to take a fight that's certain death.

Gangs and fleets alleviate this somewhat since you have a more balanced group, but at that point, it becomes a question of size rather than fittings.

This. I'd enjoy PvP if it weren't Zerg fests.

Wormholes are the only thing I've not done as I haven't had the oppurtunity, they sounded appealing though
Last thing I was doing was harassing the fuck out of the Reddit alliance in thier 0.0 space it was fun
Wardec shenannigans can be a laugh too if you know who to target, I like to keep it varied and had my fingers in many pies

Don't know what people mean by pseudo turn based???
It's all in real time and yes there is as much dogfighting as there can be in space
youtube.com/watch?v=A9dbcWoCjL8
There is also a lot of brawling tho, (where two ships just hug each other and whoever does the more dps/tanks better wins, but that is generally even fun when you start adding more variables, more people and more ships capable of doing other jobs.

There is also different types of fighting like fights that involve logi (ships that heal), ships that ECM, ships that scramkite, bait and ambush "fights", capital fights, sniping, alphaing, etc.

so start in another wormhole, I mean this works like that in wormholes too
>suddenly all of eve puts you on their list of shit yo fuck up
>die and lose everything
happened to goons a few years back, and many other alliances
it's just that wormholes are even easier to relocate and start over than nullsec and having to grind sov.

PvP isn't a zergfest unless your being a faggot in a massive alliance. Small group dicking about ganking people is the best

Could you elaborate? My corp decided to set up in a C2 rexently and I was thinking on moving in with them. Or do you exclusively mean C5's and C4's?

>I mean this works like that in wormholes too
I mean this works like that in nullsec too

You mean goons evicting HK?
HK already back in wormholes and goons left wormhole space for the most part and HK evicting them and their friends.
You can evict a wormhole corp with a giant fuck you fleet all you want but you can't do it forever, they can just start over again with almost no effort.

>WAH! I can't war-dec 20 mining corps in hi-sec now!
>WAAAAH! I actually have to put in some iota of risk instead of having a pool of fish to shotgun without risk because daddy Concord will protect me
>WAAAAAH! I don't have the money to invest in structures!

The real carebear is you, faggot. It doesn't matter for low and null sec wars and hi sec actually, finally requires you to play poker with at least one chip. Deal with it, cuck. Hi sec is the new low sec.

>anyone that currently plays would recommend to a newbie?
No, absolutely not.
>should i stay away from it?
Yes.
>i just want to actively do inputs and grind like a normal mmo is tha tnot possible?
No it is not possible.

EVE is a solved game. If you didn't start it literally over a decade ago to get in early then you'll never get anything done and you'll never be anything more than cannon fodder for the spacerich.

>Never stay in high sec
>Never mine in high sec

Hahahahahahaha, faggot. Looks like someone got bullied by CODE. too many times. What's wrong, did daddy forget to buy you a mining permit?

What chip? I could throw a tower up easily they are cheap as fuck. It's just yet another way of appeasing the high sec players and crybabies. The longer the game goes on the softer its getting

People talk about EVE like it's the shit, but when I look for videos is just people doing nothing. Can someone share the best EVE video ever made? with actual gameplay, not the official trailer that makes it look like every single moment in EVE is rainbow six in space which it obviously isn't.

Agreed. This is why I respect low-sec gangs the most. They know how to have fun. WH banditos are cool too.

so don't join giant corps with 2000 members and then bitch that the battles involve 2000 members?

I have actually never lost a single ship in highsec, I joined a wormhole corp day 1 because someone on /vg/ warned me just like I warned newfags in that post.

Highsec is a place where you make no isk as a line member, highsec is a place where super strong impossible to kill and escape from police AI protect everyone.

Highsec is a place where no fun is allowed.

But at least CCP is finally realizing it's a bad place and they are starting to fix highsec babies.
Neutral remote assistance will now cause a criminal timer and CONCORD response when applied to an active war declaration combat participant or limited engagement participant in highsec space

Command bursts deployed by neutral characters will no longer apply any bonuses to active war declaration combat participants in highsec space

This makes the highsec baby cry.

So if you are a new player, stay away from the no fun highsec. Dive into nullsec or wormholes,it's fine to try a giant corp but don't make it your permanent home, try small gang wormhole space or even just small gang nullsec, you will enjoy the game.

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youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A

Look up Rooks and Kings on YouTube, they have a bunch of good videos telling stories of stuff they did

>the game is bad because it does not measure up to my enjoyment of fast paced zoomer battle royale games.
so don't play it?

It's like me saying Aurora 4x is a shit game because all you do is roleplay as an excel document.
it's just not my type of game.

When I say chip, I mean risk, you actual mongoloid. You're paying a small fee for unlimited hunting rights in hi-sec. You're a genuine pussy and that's all you'll be if that's how you view the changes for hi-sec. You say softer, but you're the one too scared to have a single, actual structure that's worthwhile defending. Feel free to quit the game any time, sweetie. :)

You can't really make a eve video and make it look fun, the fun is spread out through the entire playthough.
It would be like recording yourself doing world pvp in some mmo like wow or FF14 for an entire day with no edits.

That's not what I meant, I was just trying to say all the videos are either super fake (official ones), pretending the game is something it's not, or super lame because it's a guy ranting about something awesome that happened, but never actually shows what fucking happened.

>saw a video where they dropped titans on frigate gang
this was a year ago and knowing CCP things have surely not improved

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Fixed that for you.

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You knew exactly what I meant, why are you so seething some one has a differing opinion? You mad some one stole your veldspar or something?

Trailers are teasing things to be way more appealing than they are? Stop the presses!

I always enjoyed the difference between Trailer-EVE and actual EVE. The trailer for the Trinity update was the one that brought me into the game.

Not sure about the others, but I could give less of a shit about the changes. I, for one, welcome them. If I want to risk more to gain more, I will. It needs to be proportionate. Hi-sec exists to show new players there's more fun to be had but should always have some level of security for players who want to fall back some time. Like you said, WH and low sec groups are the most fun, with the latter being more respectable in my opinion. Hi-sec is still enjoyable but it's not for the people who find ganking twenty, obviously defenseless mining corps fun. Griefing is only fun for children. Real fun comes from real gameplay, not loopholes in the game.

people like you said the same thing when I started playing and now I own 150mil sp pilots and tons of caps
all funded by exploration and then C5 wormhole sites
you are just a shit lazy player

Why would you want to be a cringy cosplayer like this homo?

A tower is not an Upwell structure. Feel free to educate yourself any time, friend!

youtube.com/watch?v=LVSw9WhpPqQ

You started playing at least 5, probably more than 8 years ago.

Want high risk fun? Join Signal Cartel or Eve-Scout. Literally Star Trek, where you're mapping out worm hole paths for the public. Now that their name is out there for everyone to see, they'll be getting a lot more attention. How about farming FOBs and being a caped crusader? Plenty of ways to have fun. People seem to find that fun is exclusive to how much money you earn in an hour. It's how you know the slave cuck culture has addled their brains.

Literally have newfags in my corp that joined less than 6 months ago with 20bil wallets dude, the plex price might be cancer right now but it's still very much doable.
We decide to try a new doctrine and they inject their brains with enough sp to contribute to it.
We run C5 sites and they are able to use a nestor or leshak.

It's not going to the moon, just a fucking old videogame, anyone with a brain and some effort can make it.

How to play EVE Online in 2019
>Make a waifu character
>Drop a couple bucks to buy skill injectors
>Train your way into flying a Rattlesnake
>Join a big alliance
>Live in nullsec now because it's actually safer than lowsec due to consolidation
>Kill rats in your Rattlesnake AFK
Congrats, you are now printing money with almost no risk. With this money, you can slap frigs against other frigs in faction warfare or whatever. End game in EVE is having enough money to slap your ships against other ships, be it solo, gank crew, corp vs corp, faction warfare, etc.

If this isn't your objective in some capacity, you're gonna have a bad time.

>I give out free ISK to new players because I'm a bittervet who started a decade ago and got in early
>I artificially inflate new players SP by basically being a sugar daddy and buying them skill injectors since I'm spacerich

i get way too emotionally invested in ships to play this game. when i play scifi games my ship is like my character and if it does i get REALLY fucking upset.

which is a problem in a game like eve where ships are basically disposable tools.

where did I ever mention giving them isk?
they make their own isk, they get their own injectors

I mean I guess we do give them free t1 scanners, you got me.

Yikes

That scream at the end is just perfect, pure absolute nerd rage filling voice com, you can almost touch his frustration, it's marvelous and priceless.

I don't even understand what is going on here.

I feel you. Just learn and memorize the acceptable levels of risk each ship should be exposed to maximum and fly them accordingly.

>Goonswarm
>Yea Forums corp
No. Goons were always SA, the first Yea Forums corp was Broski Enterprises. I never joined Broski but I followed along and it looked like a great time, I really wish I saved more of the images that were made. Eventually they died and split into a bunch of different corps but I lost track and can only give you some names. I know Haters Gonna Hate and Autistic Sharks died, Broski North are nullseccers and Oruze Cruise and All-Out are in wormhole space. I've probably forgotten some other spinoffs too.

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You gave them the means to bypass YEARS of grind via skill injector sugar daddying.
Nothing you said refutes my point.

Also worth mentioning that if you want to PvP, you don't need perfect skills. However, if you wanna 1v1 people in FW or anyone who can put up a fight, you'll need T2s. In group warfare it's not as big of a deal. Could probably just slap on a sniper fit and you're golden.

Most has been said. I like EVE a lot but wouldn’t recommend it.

Regarding “catching up” to other players, it’s no different than any other MMORPG. EVE especially is not a race to an endpoint. Players who have been playing for years can be effective at many fields, but someone starting out will take time to get good at one. You may not care about logistics (healing) skills so don’t do them until you want to. Paying for SP might get you through the slog of the basic skills but don’t think about it as “catching up”

It is a very time consuming game, and the primary skill needed is knowledge, not execution. The more knowledge of combat mechanics, ship types, tanking types, damage types, ways to make islands will determine your effectiveness. It is a university course worth of things to know so video tutorials might help a lot.

Another reason I wouldn’t recommend it is the population. It averages less than 30,000 players in a huge galaxy. Most people are set in their ways and rooted in their regular systems. I go on and off for a few years at a time and you see the same players camping the same gates year after year.

It doesn’t hurt to try a free clone and see if you like it.

>All-Out became wormhole carebear

HAHAHAHAHAHA. That's great. To be honest though, it's the most fitting environment for a Yea Forums group. Good for them. Extremely ironic to see them fall back on shit they looked down on. They all still act like a bunch of genuine faggots though, so far chance in hell I'll ever play with them. The friends I had joined Goon really early on, which is why I say that, and I decided to fly solo.

>Try ff14, you can be any class. But i wont tell you that they started to make the game more casual since the last expansion and that every job/role plays the same because i'm a ERPER.
Become honest.

You are again assuming I gave them isk or skill injectors.
I never said that.
I said we make a new doctrine and if they can't fly it they inject it (with their own isk), but go ahead and close your ears and scream, I guess the realization that you are lazy for EVE must be hard to handle.

Planetary Interaction is fun. FUN!

>Joining a mega corp to be a wageslave just so you can earn more money and be a better wageslave
>Not joining a smaller corporation and actually playing the game, learning for yourself and experiencing variety

That's a big oof from me. This a'int it, chief.

Fair enough. Goons were probably the closest thing to a Yea Forums corp before Broski was founded, they were just a mass of nerds in frigates blobbing the fuck out of "elite nullsec groups" for the lulz. Completely different from how they are now.

>join a small corp in a mega alliance
What now boss

Good job. Keep it up. I hope you have yourself a good time and fly well.

Yeah. It's kinda depressing to see how things have changed but I suppose that's just what happens.

Yep. I honestly miss old EVE, I played from 06 to around 2013 before taking a break and when I came back last year it felt completely different. I've found a great corp so I'm still having fun but I feel a lot less dedicated to the game and go weeks without logging in as I play something else.

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