Can video games be considered art, Yea Forums?

Can video games be considered art, Yea Forums?

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This is the only known instance ce of video games breaching art.

I'll agree to this if you also agree that only a handful of movies, books, and songs even approach art.

No, this is.

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NOT ART

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This is 100% fanservice though.

There is literally nothing wrong with fanservice done right.

Media glorifying violence rarely has any artistic merit.

I agree but it is literally never done right.

Oh yeah, that horse is also a rip off of the rape horse from Berserk.

But it only feels more like plagiarism than homage when it's done in Dark Souls since that's the thing that the PCfags can play at a superior framerate and resolution than you.

Fanservice is never art

The word "art" means fucking nothing anymore. I've just stopped using it.

you need to listen to more music and read more books.

And you need to play more games. See, we can both do this.

Art was literally done in service to its buyers, meaning fanservice

>traverse fog gate at 20fps
>YEAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW*sploch* *sploch*
>now THIS is art. Based Miyazaki

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Based.

Uncharted 4's gameplay is ND's greatest accomplishment to date.

Oh look the first vicar is exactly like the first boss but in flames....
>YEEEEEEEEEEAAAWCH
Based Miyazaki

>watch retarded painting at 0 fps

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cope

>uses a cutscene to prove an interactive medium can be art
The obvious answer is no, without story and without audio-visuals, gameplay itself is not art and videogames are defined by gameplay therefore they are not art.

>feelsguy edit

What is art exactly

Actually life runs at 600fps

Does anybody have the original image from the left?

Yes.

But Bloodborne fully uses the medium to its fullest potential by telling a story that can only be achieved within vidya.

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There's also the fact that levels have a bunch of copy pasted assets everywhere. The same set of stairs, chairs and other ornaments across the levels, enemies etc. If you're going to call that art you can't ignore those.

Dark Souls does it better.

And PS:T does it better than either one, that doesn't diminish my original point.

A topic as old as time. We've been over this time and time again. Video games are art, but art doesn't imply merit.

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>uncharted
>not "movie"

This.
And further: games are about wasting time. I don't mean this in the broader sense of the medium but literally.
>inventory management
>settings
>clicking through stuff
>backtracking
>ticking boxes
etc. no medium that is about mundane tasks and wasting time like this will ever be an artpiece

Ludo requires an interplay between gameplay and story. PS:T is a book. It is not a game. It cannot be Ludo.

There are instances in the game were plot elements can simply only be deduced through visually and sonically.
E.g. the identity of Mergo and his parents.

What is this form of autism?

>Uncharted is a movi-

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>PS:T is a book.
PS:T is as much of a book as any action game is a movie.

God damn that's bad

Yes, PS:T tells its story through player interactions whether it be exploring the world and uncovering things or through interactive dialog. It could not exist in any other medium.

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I don't get it, a talking horse?

Nobody other then autistic people from Yea Forums considers the airplane scene to be art, and Drake is a not a guy who does visual art so I fail to understand the point of putting him there.

It's great when a game does it, but it's not some kind of requirement. Putting media into such straight categories is really close-minded. I mean there is such a thing as multi-media projects.

Just look at many movie adaptations. Lots of movies adapted books and often times both of them are considered great works. There is just a handfull of books and movies that tell stories that could not ever by told in another medium and those are usually some very weird, post-modern experimental works.

This scene and all building up to it are great. The real question is, what is art?

Genius. Based Miyazaki did it again

Why is there so much Bloodborne/Ludwig posting as of late?

Don't bother, he obviously didn't play it, probably never read a book out of his own volition either.

He takes so many shots without dying though.

BASED MIYAZAKI

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This looks casual as shit

This but unironically.

Rotating 2D smoke sprites.

DaS3's lore was extremely confusing.

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2 and 3 aren't canon.

Video games can be art by defenition. You're objectively wrong if you think video games can't be art

So it's basically a movie?

He managed to make Priscilla being fucked by someone canon so that's cool

Are you talking about by Seath or by Aldrich?
I don't think either happened

Bloodborne and MGS2 have nothing to do with ludo. Bloodborne makes no sense if you tried to explain the gameplay in the context of the story.

You're a hunter who is doing what a hunter does: Hunting. Not to mention that mechanics like Blood Vials and Insight are contextualized within the game world.

cringe

No, but if it makes you feel better, feel free to call them whatever
>are MMO games work?

You may not like it, but this is what ludo in its purest form is like.

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>No
Objectively wrong.
>are MMO games work?
Depends on how you play them. For some people MMO games literally are work

Ups, my bad I mean to say the other princess. Gwynevere or what was her name. Isn't Fillianore her children?

This shit is indeed too confusing. Also Shira supposedly the children of Seath too.

false equivalency

Games are not art but what you speak if is simply a design choice, it's not inherent to games as such

Being retarded is not autism

I think Bloodborne perfectly combined three of the most annoying fanbases into one, far greater mass of pure cancer.

1. Souls fags
2. Sony fags
3. Lovecraft fags

This.

so just paint a circle, call it a moon or some shit and done, it's now kino in the eyes of basedboys?
ypu are no better than the left

Why does every tryhard video game have "artsy" long shots with a giant moon in the center?

Bloodborne is söy repellent.

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You talk as if it's not just the same 9x9 of Bloodborne being posted 50 times a day.

The moon is kino.

>Moonfags
The sun is more based

It absolutely doesn't.
>It could not exist in any other medium.
Neither could Tetris, so what? That's not what ludonarrative means retard. It's about cohesion between story/themes and mechanics which Torment has fuck all of. Rolling d20 and checking a number on your character sheet has fuck all to do with exploring a bizzare place between planes. Mechanics and story are at odds with each other, not complementary.

The moon makes more kino backdrops.

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based filter raping you into submission

You can't even look at your "based" sun directly with your own eyes.

Arguing whether the sun is better than the moon is like arguing whether salt is better than pepper, for both are needed in the true kino that is an eclipse.

This.

Salt is better.

based
The moon is better because is doesn't hurt to look at and "changes" shape.

If someone's canned shit can be called art I don't see why video games can't.

This is one of the wisest posts I've seen in a long time.

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>have guests over dinner
>make them a roast
>all is well
>guest goes to season their meal only to find there is only a salt shaker
>"mayhaps I have the pepper shaker for the meal, user?"
>"no, salt is better"
>proceeds to cover their meal in salt
Genius

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>"changes" shape.
If you count sun rise and stuff the sun changes too

Moon is superior
>it has different colors
>it changes shape
>doesn't blind you
>aesthetically interesting; has pretty craters instead of being a giant flare in the sky
>nighttime skies are aesthetically superior and can host a variety of beautiful phenomena (e.g. aurora borealis, star constellations, galaxies, shooting stars, etc, etc)
Moon >>>>>>>>>>>> Sun

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They are, by definition.

because it's not even canned

must be easy mode, i've played though U4 on crushing and you die in like 2 hits

what in the definition of game relates to art

Gonna die young, cocklips.

It's because "Art" means absolutely fucking nothing

>rape horse gets sentimental
Wow, truly kino. Rape horse was kino as fuck, though.

one-reborn is absolute trash like almost every big boss in BB

Which one?

>The One Reborn is absolute tras-

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Yes, but it shouldn't be requirement. There's too many faggots out there who can't comprehend games that are just meant to be mindless fun.

Why do people think this scene is so great?

wtf, you are literally blood hungry hunter who gets high by being covered in blood. gets closer to enlightenment through blood and insight. and you see people that went through the same shit but werent able to hold it like you. and then aliens too.

The compilation image

Maria fight has better music and atmosphere

I also think that smaller bosses are better but what do you think is the best "big boss"?

I think it's Amelia.

Because you hear about Ludwig throughout the whole game being this amazing hunter who succumbed to the beastly scourge and then you find him and he's this hideously deformed horse; but when he sees the MLGS, he regains his humanity for a brief moment and finished the fight.

It is the definition of pure and absolute kino.

Ebrietas

Maria is the best boss of the game. Second would probably be Gascoigne.

>because you hear about ludwig throughout the whole game being this amazing hunter

Really?

The first time I fought Ludwig, the only thing I really knew about him was that he had a weapon.

That was my second.

>trying to make a Kino equivalent for video games.
>Uses the verb "ludo" instead of the noun ludus.

>Maria is the best boss of the game.
Is this bait? She's R1: The Boss. Easily the worst DLC boss.

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Holy shit this guy has a point

Does bloodborne have the most obnoxious fanbase in Vidya history?

I genuinely can't think of any worst in terms of sheer delusion

While it wasn't that hard I still love it.

Did you read item descriptions?

That's an extremely basic trope though

>OMG BOSS LOOKED AT EPIC GLOWING MEME REFERENCE SWORD AND TALKED A BUNCH OF INANE SHIT!
>ARRRRRRTTTTTTTT!
Absolutely onions. Soulsniggers need to be forced into a concentration camp.

Now name one other time that it's been executed to the absolute perfection that Bloodborne does it.

Bloodborne is the epitome of söy repellent.

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It's literally resetera's favourite game.

That's as onions as you can get.

Are you seriously thinking fanbases like sonic and smash aren't worse by a hundredfold?

>Bloodborne is the epitome of söy repellent.
Despite the fact that the only reason soulshit is popular is because onionboys flock to it like flies. Hey, maybe if you repeat it enough it might come true.

>It's literally resetera's favourite game.
Wrong.

Ludwig is nothing special, he's on the same level of the many other soulsborne tragic heroes like artorias and abyss watchers

Sonic and Smash are just autistic. Melee fans are nearing BB in terms of overinflated self importance but BB still wins for trying to label their game as art every time it's threatened by better games

This is what the average Bloodborne fan looks like.

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It's literally ONE autist that's doing this. We had just ONE thread with the same OP.
The topic of video games being art has been a tale as old as time.

>it’s le epicly difficult so it’s art
Fucking soulsniggers, stop pretending spending hundreds of hours playing shitty games is worth your time just because it’s difficult. Its also difficult to cut off your own arm with a butter knife, that doesn’t mean you should waste your time doing it, not does it mean you should get any praise if you do.

Every creation is art in our day and age

Imagine being this mad.

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Video Games are an art, but art isn't a term that has anything to do with something's quality and anybody who thinks it does is genuinely retarded.

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>this post is art

What the fuck would I be mad about exactly? I already own and have platinum on it, there is nothing I could be missing, except perhaps co-op since I played offline in 2018. The only thing I might be “mad” about is blowing 70-80 hours to get the platinum

Yeah this basically

This, good lad

Imagine getting a platinum in a game you don't like

Would you implement some of Sekiro's mechanics like posture and multiple dodges/parries in the next Blodoborne?

How would you do it? What would you like to see otherwise?

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video games are literally games. At its core, a game is good if its gameplay is good.
Might as well ask, can board games be considered art ?
Gaymers get so upset on this topic because they want to be reassured and convince themselves that they are connoisseurs when they're just fatasses too lazy to pick up a book.

Because Moonlight Greatsword is a staple in FROM's games. Ludwig pulling out the sword from King's Field and every Souls game is cool as fuck, you can't argue with that