Sonic 3 AIR

No it isn't, there is lag and it's a shitty emulator through and through.

So, is this the definitive way to play Sonic 3 at the moment?

Chromebook fags unite!

Widescreen reveals so many secrets that are hidden in walls.

I always try to get as close to the creator's vision as I can (even if I am emulating a game). Does having the game in widescreen impede on the creative vision?

How are we supposed to know what the creator intended?

Eh, it depends. This is probably the definitive way to play vanilla S3K, but I personally still prefer S3 Complete since it lets me customize the game to my own liking. I also feel like Complete is a bit more polished than regular S3K with some of the added cutscenes and edited animations. The added options of using S2 sprites and the pc soundtrack are also nice.

If you could somehow play S3 Complete in widescreen, THAT would be the definitive version of S3K.

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What ROM do I use? I know you can use a ROM instead of the Steam version.

Sonic 3 and Knuckles

How the fuck do I beat that 2nd Super Emerald special stage in 60fps, It feels impossible now.
I'm not getting too old, right?

The code recreation is clearly behind current emulation (let's not pretend this is the retro engine), and the widescreen itself does surprisingly little for this game (it creates a few odd moments like Knuckles awkwardly stopping before the edge of the screen in his boss fight). Also, Sonic 3's competition feature was flat-out removed. I understand trimming Sonic 3 Complete content since a lot of it was frankly fanwank, but removing vanilla content means it should not be considered the "definitive" version. Stick with Sonic 3 Complete or even the original Sonic 3/& Knuckles.

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Just has to be an uncompressed vanilla rom of Sonic 3 and Knuckles

i can't play anything but sonic 3 complete because of the carnival night > flying battery > ice cap transition. autism is a curse

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Did anyone else have an issue with unlocking the Drop Dash? My savefile got wiped after I did and I had to replay the game.

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>I know you can use a ROM instead of the Steam version
The Steam version is just an emulated S3K ROM anyway.

At least it doesn't try to hide it, the rom is just there.
Sega's just glad people are buying their games at all.

I don't like changing flying battery and prefer the release order.
>Flying Battery is a pretty difficult zone compared to the others before it so it's place makes more sense in the latter half of the game to me
>You see Flying Battery in the end first level of Sonic 3 and then again in the first level of Sonic & Knuckles and this time instead of getting bombed by it, you board that fucker and take it down
Absolute poetic kino

Post your Savefiles Yea Forumsros

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I'm not sure why this seems to be the major complaint. Flying Battery Zone is much better in the Sonic & Knuckles half of the game as in the final game, especially since having it in the Sonic 3 half ruins the balance of opportunities to get Chaos and Super Emeralds. Even in the final, you still have only four zones to get Super Emeralds compared to the Chaos Emeralds' five - which may not be a problem if you're an elitist pro, but if you haven't memorized all the giant ring layouts and/or can barely get the Super Emeralds in a single playthrough (as in me), then the novelty is a hindrance. We don't even know the full extent of the prototype zone order - I bet Launch Base ("last zone") and Mushroom Hill ("first zone") weren't in the pre-split plans just like the Super Emeralds, yet no one would ever want to "restore" that version of the game.

How do you earn continues in this game? Do you have to get all of the rings in the special stages?

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fpwp

50 rings in a Blue Sphere Special Stage or 50 rings in the Slot Machine bonus stage. Not sure if there are other methods.

you can also get them from the Slot Machine Bonus Stage too, I had 6 Continues but I shit the bed to the Death Egg Act 2 Boss (Not the anti-gravity one) and lost all 20+ of my lives and all of my continues. Had to redo the entire stage, Fuck Tails.

If you insist.

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Holy fuck, How did you get so many lives.

dude the Mushroom Hi-er Valley to Sandopolis Zone transition is total garbo tho.

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Lots of perfects in the special stages for point bonuses, getting tons of rings thanks to both giant rings post chaos emeralds and pic related for even more lives and point bonuses. It's actually pretty easy if you're good at not getting hit often.

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What I would change about it is make it so that Sonic & Tails are running and then they fall down a cliff part of Mushroom Hill causing them to go down a Sandslide which transitions to Sandopolis

I got so used to calling it Mushroom Valley now that I forgot it's Hill. Both names make no fucking sense, it's a forest.

i know, but i just can't unsee how it was supposed to be now. it's like how the title screen of sonic 1 is slightly off center

You are like a baby. Watch this

You're ok

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i watched a single clip of it and the sprite rotates when on hills instead of having it's own unique sprite for those areas, like the original. this bothers me way too much so i see no reason to actually play this over the original.

I have no idea what I did

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The original "unique" sprites for those areas were just sonic's normal sprites rotated 45 degrees and then placed in the game afterward

NAZO

You can turn smooth rotations off.

Autism.

you'd be surprised how many palette fucking glitches there are in s3&k.

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That's my original character, Indra. He's Ashura The Hedgehog's brother

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thats just manic bro

Yeah, I totally agree with you, first poster.

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Here's a question, is the music not supposed to speed up when you grab the speed shoes? Cause the music doesn't speed up when I grab speed shoes

It doesn't, it's one of the things he's going to try to fix in future updates.

That's not Manic. That's my original character, Ashura
youtube.com/watch?v=LxPmpJIoqGw

Holy shit, they added Nazo to the game?

You could try switching the modernized Special Stage style back to classic in the game options. The modernizations seem a bit glitchy, at least in my experience, since I'd be getting random lag until I turned it off. That should help.

Good to see people already modifying the soundtrack, especially for Sonic 3 alternate. youtu.be/5PKXozF1Tb0

oh, that's nice.

so what does it add over the original?

Is there a list of future plans (hopefully Sonic 3 Complete support or at least competition mode)?

...

You're not too old, you just suck

what even is the sprite rotation that these vocal autists are getting pissy about

>so what does it add over the original?
Widescreen. Unlocklable bonuses like the drop dash and Knuckles+Tails mode. Updated presentation for special stages. It's essentially trying to be a hypothetical S3 port like Taxman and Stealth would have made.

Off the top of my head:
-Widescreen
-Time Attack
-Achievements
-Unlockables via said achievements (Knuckles & Tails mode, which breaks his story mode if you use Tails assist, as well as Sonic Mania's Drop Dash and Debug Mode)
-A decent amount of customization. Not as much as Sonic 3 Complete, but a fair bit is the same and even has some options that weren't in that such as disabling the Sandopolis ghosts or a new aggressive attack pattern for the Flying Battery in Angel Island Zone).
-No two player support whatsoever.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z4bs6jy-57g
I love her Ice Cap alternate music but I just can't replace the iconic music. Although I did for Marble Garden because that was the only S3K zone whose music kinda sucked

Basically back in the day, Sonic Team made sprites of sonic running at every degree angle for going through loops, up ramps/walls or running on the ceiling. Sprite rotation allows the regular single sprite to rotate 360 degrees smoothly. It's basically what Mania did too. It really only triggers purists.

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I also like some of the little things, like the Insta Shield being fixed to deflect projectiles, and the music being changed to the Sonic 3 equivalents in some cases instead of the S&K versions, i.e. invincibility theme

what a silly thing to care about

>like the Insta Shield being fixed to deflect projectiles
That's in both 3C and AIR

Oh nice

>getting snagged on that ramp at 3:42
that is probably the only thing we'll sadly never get in this remake or 3Complete, no matter how good it is, improved physics and collision detection.
If it was Whitehead's remake I know that part would play perfectly each time, but I guess you can't win em' all.

The physics generally seem slightly worse than they were in the original game. I've had Tails get stuck in walls and spaz out.

>you can disable the Super Sonic theme
Fucking finally someone did it

K I N O

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Wasn't this in Sonic 3 Complete? At least, I know you can use the Sonic 2 theme in that as well, which is stupid because one it's arguably the most repetitive and two it's against the original game.

Its still the original game, just with added gameplay tweaks. Sonic 3 always had pretty prevalent collision glitches

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3 Complete is objectively the best experience

Funny enough you could do this in Mania before it was patched. You could have a blue Super Sonic.

Sonic & Knuckles fixed many of those "diabolical traps" that were in Sonic 3 standalone.

After having every other classic game in widescreen now, I disagree. Also Drop Dash.

The widescreen is great but the added customization in 3C blows AIR out of the water if it had drop dash and widescreen it would better though.

The only MAJOR thing Complete is missing is widescreen.
AIR is missing the option to play Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles separately, as well as Blue Sphere (for now) and 2P mode, super peel out, along with having fewer customization options, namely with music.

you can add your own music though?

thats more a mod than a proper feature of the game

Best way to play the game desu, widescreen is just nice and I don't particularly care for most of the missing features from Complete. I do wish it had those added super Sonic sprites though.

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I give 3 Complete a lot of shit for the fanshit that seeped in development in the later years, but I can't deny that turning the S&K title screen into the post-Launch Base cutscene was genius.

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Did they add dropdash?

Yes, though you need to unlock a few achievements before you can use it.

>fanshit
rundown, if i may ask?

>achievements

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they're mostly easy to be honest.

How come NO ONE has bothered making the 2P stages into full Zones?

I would pay big money for a full length Chrome Gadget.

I may be remembering wrong but I think Taxman floated that idea alongside a Sonic 3 port.

Mainly changing or adding several things that wouldn't really belong in an actual "complete" version of Sonic 3 from the mid-nineties, which was the original idea of the project (to resemble the then-rumored Sonic 3C). Apparently, there was some behind-the-scenes drama about it despite all the praise they were getting from Sonic fans, with one sect wanting to bloat the game with extras and the other wanting to just trim the fat and only focus on perfecting the core game experience. Some members broke off as a result and IIRC are making their own Sonic 3 Complete fork as an alternative to the current one, though I'm not sure if development stalled.

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Meant

Why do youtubers lie and claim you need the steam version?

Fuck you with a spork, Marble Garden has two of the best music tracks in the game.

It's not YouTubers, it's literally everyone (even the creator). It's called covering your ass.

Ya know, between A.I.R and Complete, I am Astonished that noone seems to mention how Super Sonic is the only character/transformation in the game without a double jump action. It makes him feel so naked and out of place.
Seriously, just giving him a non screen-nuking/non fashing version of Hyper Sonic's air dash would be perfect.

Are you some kind of retard?

Suck my nuts you piece of shit shill.

Oddly enough, Megamix does that. And I was hoping Mania would on account of Hyper Sonic being forced out of canon, thanks Iizuka.

Everyone hyping this up yet it doesn't really do anything better than Sonic 3 Complete, which has been out for years

I think people just appreciate more Sonic 3 love, Sega sure won't do it so we will.

>Hyper Tails option
I'm guessing Hyper Tails is Super Tails, and Super Tails is just sans homing Flickies?

Yeah, Super tails is lifted from Mania and now the flicky army one is hyper.

>lifted from Mania
Hacks have done that long before Mania was around

All I wanted was S3&K in widescreen though, Complete doesn't do that better.

Don't be upset at me, user. It's not my fault you're a retard.

Was more so just saying that cause it was a recent example.

>Hyper Sonic being forced out of canon, thanks Iizuka.
Except he never said that. He only said that Sonic Team was more conscious about the number of Emeralds as of Sonic Adventure.

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You don't need the steam version to play libcuck.

well, the point is, I wanna be able to use them again...

Interestingly, there's evidence that Tails was going to get separate super and hyper forms in the later Sonic 3C proto.

I didn't say you did. Could you be any more of a retard? Let me spell it out for you:
If the authors and various Youtubers just straight up said that you could play this with any old free ROM off the internet, they could potentially get into legal trouble. Understand now, or are you too retarded to get it through your skull?
Cool buzzword by the way, not sure what politics even have to this but okay.

>they could potentially get into legal trouble.
No they can't, you know it all libtard. Sega doesn't go after sonic romhacks.

>I know most people want the Taxman ports to come to PC anyway, but I honestly love having Sonic 1 2 and CD on my phone
There's a reason why people want them on PC you dumbshit. Phones update all the time and there's compatibility issues with old apps on new firmware or phones and SEGA is too fucking lazy to do anything about it. Hell, when they do manage to update it, they end up making the game worse. Pray you never have to redownload Sonic 1 because now even paid versions have to suffer through ads. Sonic 2 won't even boot on some phones.

I haven't seen someone lacking common sense this badly in a long time. There's no arguing with you, you're a complete and utter retard. Just because Sega "doesn't go after sonic romhacks" doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to advocate piracy. Like the other user said, it's called covering your ass.
And really, what's with the buzzword? Is there some political connection I'm missing? I just don't get it. More retardism?

It's not really a ROM hack so much as a reverse-engineered pseudo-port.

>Not playing Sonic 3 the Challenges
>Not playing Sonic 2 Retro Remix

Why are people so stupid?

Welp, Guess I just gotta do Tails and Knuckles now

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Make sure to fly to places you're not supposed to.
>Getting to Sonic's Launch Base boss shows Eggman instead of Eggrobo
But I had seizures over the Flying Battery mistake, when will they patch this?

>Just because Sega "doesn't go after sonic romhacks" doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to advocate piracy. Like the other user said, it's called covering your ass.
It's not advertising piracy you stupid fucking zoomer. There's no trouble to get into because Sega does not target romhacks and never has
You're a libtard because you're acting like a dumb fucking nigger libcuck.

That, or they totally could have done that in Mania. Endless Mine has great music

Bluestacks is worse, even more ads and you can't install your own launcher. A bitch to root too. In Nox you just tick 'root' in options and delete all their crap from /system.

I always liked how three dimensional Sonic 3 & Knuckles felt. You get to see Sonic from pretty much every angle in this game, it's cool

Those Flying Battery climbing sprites look fucking shit though.

You mean Sonic 3 Unlocked?

>Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles separately
freemode exists for this reason, besides S3C doesn't technically restore the true original sonic 3 and sonic & knuckles, its just s3&k with different title screens and endings.

based retard trying to fit in

I only now heard of this thanks to you

This looks neat youtu.be/cTlv4gzDSk0

It's just some faggot trying to fit in, ignore him.

Except this is not a romhack, it's a sort of patch you have to apply to your copy of s3&k, which is why they have to advocate people to go get the steam version instead of a free room on the internet. Learn the fucking difference.

just download android-x86_64-8.1-r1.iso and use VirtualBox you fucking tech iliterate monkeys

>33, in typical age range for fighter jet pilots
>GUYS IM TOO OLD TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES
Not having patience to get good and not being able to get good are different things that retards need to stop conflating.

>it's a sort of patch you have to apply to your copy of s3&k
That's what a fucking romhack is you dumb zoomer

No disrespect to the artist, but this ain't it chief. LBZ was god tier in it's own right

Haha u sure got em. I wish I could be as epic of a troll as you are. ;D

It's pretty good.

i wanna play this but its only for the steam version which is honestly just a wewlad. theres no way in hell im buying this game just to play a mod of sonic 3 lol. its funny because theres already extensive modding scene for genesis but for some reason cuck mcgee here made it for the steam version. takanaka must be rolling in his grave.

You can use any s3&k rom and it works just fine

How many times do people need to post you can actually use a regular rom before you guys notice? Or are you just doing it on purpose at this point

Nah they're gone forever, I don't know how, but they're gone.

gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/06/10/more-burning-questions-about-the-sonic-the-hedgehog-franchise-answered.aspx

Article which states it.

A.I.R isnt a romhack you mong, it's a PORT and needs the ORIGINAL GAME'S ROM
NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE ROM