Wow, Paper Mario has been shit for 12 years now!!!!

no, the art and character designs were shit too. only a couple of the villains looked decent.

You don't have to remind me.

>put passion into a game
>everyone hates it
>make shitter star
> so bad everyone beckpedals into loving SPM
What did IS mean by this?

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You can all have your opinions but the atmosphere and aesthetic of the game is objectively good.

SPM was the last good Paper Mario game.

And it wasn't even good

>It has funny dialogue
Are you 12 years old? The dialogue in that game tries way too hard to be funny (and fails). Whereas the original and TTYD are just effortlessly charming.

lol but it was.

I unironically loved SPM. Get fucked nerds.

My opinions of the games haven't changed since the beginning:

Paper Mario: Best N64 game ever.
TTYD: Best video game ever, great atmosphere.
SPM: Not as good as the previous two but not bad.
Then I abandoned ship and haven't played the series since.

>ITT triggered Paper Mario """""""fans""""""" bitch and moan about every game not being Corridor Simulator Featuring Inane Walls of Text

You were never fans of Paper Mario, you were fans of the one, single game. You're like insufferable Melee players, they're not Smash fans, they're just fans of one single Smash game.

I also find it funny that you idiots bitch about Nintendo not taking risks and making the same games over and over yet seemingly want them to do exactly that with Paper Mario. Make up your fucking minds, you fucking children.

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its defiantly a downgrade but i wouldn't say its a soulless game
you could still tell the people working on it were having fun

It was okay at its best. It's not as bad as Sticker Star or Color Splash, but it's not as good as the previous 2 at all.

Super Paper Mario was leagues better than Sticker Star and Color Splash. I liked it as much as I liked TTYD.

>objectively
Shut the fuck up, your opinion is not objective.
And I like SPM.

I dont even have words to describe how much of a nigger you are

no, SPM's aesthetic is objectively bad

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shame they didn't care about whether or not the people playing the game had fun.

Tanabe was right to reel it in.

>but nothing TTYD didn't do.
Didn't realize TTYD had a dimension changing mechanic. Also didn't realize TTYD had overworld battles instead of encounters.

I had fun playing it.

This

Papersouls when

SPM had the best story in the entire series, and also the best characters.

I think you might have some brain damage, mate. The second half of the sentence
>but nothing TTYD didn't do
is related to the first half.

>/pol/shit
Tell me, why would Nintendo even WANT to make a game you'd like?

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A word doesn't belong to anyone. Are you paranoid?

I’d play it

>Its cool, I'm taking it back!
100% guaranteed you'd never utter it in front of a black person.

Keep your /pol/shit in the gulag, incel virgin.

Color splash was worst than super

>Hand over that thing... Your Paper Souls™.
K I N O

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wew lad I wanna fuck that Bowser

I don't know what you're talking about but everyone suffers under progressive policy.

I liked super paper mario actually. everything after it was shite though

I'll always adore this game's soundtrack. It's so weird, and so good.
youtube.com/watch?v=LAn5_G_eD8w
youtube.com/watch?v=cvmfyJw1IOU
youtube.com/watch?v=POgfM1vuHbk
youtube.com/watch?v=W2tbSZecN9c
youtube.com/watch?v=SY7DVyNHwdQ
youtube.com/watch?v=O5xKu43Kru0

Just because I didn't like the direction it took Paper Mario doesn't mean it was bad, just that I didn't want a Super Paper Mario 2 as much as a normal Paper Mario game.

Gloam Valley still slaps.

This happened to me with my dogs.
>have dog dumber than dirt
>get another dog
>turns out to be so dumb that dog #1 looks like a genius in comparison

older than the average post on Yea Forums at this point

i love how you virgins manage to turn conversations about children's games into babby-tier political "debates" every thread without fail lmao

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More often than not it's about trannies, too.
>i dont agree with this thing
>god i fucking hate trannies

SUPER PAPER MARIO IS UNIRONICALLY A GREAT GAME WITH S O U L

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sex doesn't have anything do with paper mario either.

its almost like Yea Forums is 80% 13 year old r/thedonald immigrants lol

You can't call a franchise "beloved" if people care about at most only two out of its five games. So not much of value was lost in the end.

Honestly, SPM is really good in isolation. Just as a Paper Mario game, people hated it for not following the formula.

PM: Great game. One of the best N64 games.
TTYD: Improves upon everything from the original while still bringing in new features. Great game.
SPM: Great game in isolation, but not as good as PM and TTYD.
SS: Flawed. The battle system does not encourage battling at all. While SPM is good in isolation, this game is still flawed and unfun.
CS: Better than sticker star, but the main fundamentals are still flawed. It's an alright game on it's own, but comparing it to the other games, it's a huge step backwards.

THE GAMEPLAY WAS BAD BUT THE STORY WAS GOOD
NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT IT WAS AN ACTUAL GAME AND NOT A VISUAL NOVEL
MUH MISUNDERSTOOD VILLAIN

>TTYD: Improves upon everything from the original while still bringing in new features. Great game.
I have to disagree, not one of the memers that hate TTYD, but the level design in the game took a massive downgrade from 64, it feels like they ran out of time to make proper levels or were just lazy.

Yup, Paper Mario was never good. You boomer PM incels need to go have sex and stop masturbating to female Mario enemy OCs.

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>dialogue in RPGs bad

That's what he said. "The dialogue in this RPG is bad".

Better than Shitcker Star and Colored Shit, but it's still bad

From a mechanical standpoint, it really is an evolution of the previous game.

I agree with you on the level design though.

The only good thing about SPM was the story/dialogue

The gameplay/setting/etc was garbage. The whole game I was like "I wish I was playing TTYD instead"

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Super Paper Mario was always good, and it's one of those games I was always surprised was so disliked.

Imagine saving the one low-scoring review of this game you could find to fuel your shitposting

Seriously though, what the hell do you Paper Mario fags want from a Paper Mario game? You want the SAM exact baby JRPG turn based combat from the first 2 games and enemy partners? Is that really it? You know what you're asking for basically amounts to a rehash right?

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IN MORE IMPORTANT NEWS
The best Mario Kart is 11 years old today

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I do really like this game but it's weird to make it more of a platformer

>How dare you want more of a game style you already enjoy
Look I even think there's a grain of truth to what you say but that's retarded

What the hell, how? Pretty based taste though user

After 15 years, "a game similar to the ones I enjoyed but hopefully better" is perfectly reasonable.

youtube.com/watch?v=tcWFVPqOXIQ

Was it kino?

He's not wrong, though, the dialogue in TTYD isn't good for the most part.

Yes, I want a rehash with the improvements TTYD made as well as its flaws fixed. In addition to this, I'd like a hard mode.

I mean, once again considering that he cherry-picked the one low-scoring review, he actually is being deceitful.

>if people care about at most only two out of its five games
Is that why SPM and Sticker Star are the best-selling games in the franchise?

>ONLY the games I say count, no one ACKSHUALLY cares about the others despite the fact that they sold better!1!!!
You live in a fart-filled echo chamber, sustaining yourself with the smells of your own self-satisfaction.

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>Is that why SPM and Sticker Star are the best-selling games in the franchise?
user to be fair the Wii and 3DS sold much better than the fucking 64 and Gamecube

Most people disagree with you, even on Yea Forums.

No, it wasn't. SPM was always a crap game. Nobody liked the change in gameplay, the mediocre platforming, the partners being gone and replaced with soulless tools
A rehash of a good game is still a good game.

Being different and new =/= being good

I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd also wonder when was the last time those people played the game.

>No, it wasn't. SPM was always a crap game
Nah it was a good game.
>Nobody liked the change in gameplay
That's dumb
>Being different and new =/= being good
Being different and new =/= being bad

>cheap early 2000's windows clipart with tweened motion
vs.
>storybook diorama aesthetic with watercolor backgrounds and hand-drawn animations

Yeah I'm thinking that's a hard no

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Color Splash had almost all of the same failings Sticker Star had, and they're both much worse than Super.

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that's because SS and CS go way too far with the "LOL PAPER" shit.

And?

Don't make fucking excuses. Sticker Star came out when the 3DS had only sold 20-30m units and sold most of its copies early on. The Wii had a great attach rate of about 9 games per console, second only to the Gamecube.

SPM was a good Mario game, it was an average Paper Mario game and a decent Paper Mario spinoff

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That's not excuses, it's literally the reason why. Games on higher-selling hardware sell more. That's common sense.

>SPM was a good Mario game
If by "good" you mean "the worst platforming the series had ever seen".

>excuses
>ONLY SOLD 20-30m units

That's a huge number of units user. The Gamecube only sold around 22m in its whole lifespan, and the N64 around 5.5m. And whatever the attach rate of the Wii was, it sold 101m as of 2016.

SPM was never a good PM game.

Only because SS and CS were worse, it doesn't magically make SPM good

good
/ɡo͝od/
adjective
1.
to be desired or approved of.
"a good quality of life"
2.
having the qualities required for a particular role.
"the schools here are good"
synonyms: fine, of high quality, of a high standard, quality, superior;

I don't think that's what he means.

Forgot to add:

Games sell pretty well early on in a console's lifespan? I don't know why you implied that would have negatively impacted SS's sales in any way.

OC GOOD
ORIGINAL AND IMAGINATIVE DESIGNS BAD

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Super Paper Mario is literally the Zelda II of the series. I really enjoyed it.

Color Splash is such a fucking waste of great assets. The game looks fucking beautiful but the gameplay sucks ass.

You googled a dictionary definition in an attempt to dismantle the commonly used
>if by X you mean not X"
phrase, which you have never seen before due to your lack of socializing or young age.

That's textbook autism.

Nigger

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You're responding to obvious bait in a thread about a 12 year old children's game.
That's textbook autism.

Is Super Paper Mario the Sonic Unleashed of Paper Mario

I still liked SPM even after SS and CS
eventually did try out the first game and TTYD, it was okay but i still preferred SPM overall.

I never liked the square-y artstyle look of SPM.

Round and smooth was better.
Actually, most of the NPCs and the main cast especially look out of place because of that.

Most SPM npcs are ugly, square-crap looking and forgettable as fuck.

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Wait, double dash is 11?

>They sold better because more people bought them
Right, they were more popular and sold better.

But go ahead and keep saying that people only ACKSHUALLY care about 64 and TTYD and NO ONE cared about the games that sold better.

>and the N64 around 5.5m
The N64 sold over 30m, dipshit, and the Wii selling almost 1 BILLION units of software to have the second-best attach rate of any Nintendo console means people bought lots of games for it.

You're just making excuses.

I like Super Paper Mario a lot, but I totally get it. The combat is outright bad. The platforming is perfunctory. Who the fuck halfasses the platforming in a platformer? Well, Kirby and Symphony of the Night kinda do and who the fuck hates those

Why was Color Splash a fucking flop then if it was more of that game that everyone OH so loved so much like SS?

According to your argument of attach rate trumping sales or unpopular consoles that sold poorly rendering any sales figures moot, Color Splash ranks right at the top! Wii U didn't even crack 14 million and the game sold almost 1 million copies!

>no no SS and SPM sold a lot because they were popular! hardware sales and casuals had nothing to do with inflating those numbers!

>well DUH of course CS sold like shit! it was on the Wii U after all and no one bought that console!

kys you stupid faggot.

Biggest faggot I've ever seen post on this website. Literal trash. Bye bye.

I'm just using your own logic to render your retarded argument moot. If you get to say
>B-b-but GC and N64 sold less than 3DS and Wii NOT FAAAAAAIR :((((
Then its the ultimate excuse for Color Splash since the Wii U is their worst-selling console and Color Splash was one of the last games released for it.

Baste tased

Gameplay may not have been the best, but god damn did it have the best story out of any Mario game. Heck, any Nintendo game I'd say.

>replying after an hour and a half
What's the matter, couldn't get Jamal's dick out of your ass long enough to reply until now?

Their point is that your argument is wrong because if people only care about SS and SPM, since they sold the most, why didn't CS sell a ton too despite a carbon copy of SS? It couldn't possibly be the console on it selling badly, you proved that wrong with the GameCube and TTYD. So what was it?

in between? Yes. SPM had great story and dialogue for its title, but, in exchange for dull gameplay. Feels too much like super mario bros. The 3D ability felt so limited and empty the second time through, you wonder why the game gives you unlimited 3d after the game is over. Also block npcs have no distinguishable traits. I remember Taste T., Zest T, a nice toad, and sassy toad, but don't remember the name of a single npc in SPM and SS.

fuck all faggots that think SPM was taking the Paper Mario franchise in the right direction

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>fight the final boss
>pick Bowser
>just bounce on him for 8 seconds
Honestly, if not for everything else in SPM, I would have fucking hated it.

>story
kys storyfags. no one will EVER care outside of reddit

Better direction than it's in now.

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so what do you look for that makes a decent Paper Mario game?

Fuck you faggots, SPM is good for the soundtrack alone

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>I can't refute anything you've said about SPM or SS, so I'll only talk about CS instead!
>People ACKSHUALLY only cared about 64 and TTYD because they're the ones -I- care about!
You can stop now. Go walk down some more hallways while reading inane, redundant dialogue.

If Nintendo kept making TTYOD over and over you would complain as well. The best move was to keep it in the freezer for a couple of years and then release a traditional Mario RPG. I think Mario and Luigi is already a better series anyway.

Then again if only nintendo wasn't so autistic banning fan games people could do their own fan fics true.

>he still can't refute my argument
>moving the goalposts again
This is some serious autism.

>PM's been bad longer than it's been good

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good game =/= good direction

besides, they didn't have much choice because of Miyamoto "NO TWO MARO ARPEEGEES"

What did you all think of Vinny's SPM playthrough?

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>this slut swore she would spend the rest of her lives with Black
>Bleck ends up going back with Tipping
What fuck was that all about? Why even mention it in the first place

The game is fucking charming but I swear, it's like the developers actively wanted people to stop playing it. Besides the mandatory treadmill and those awful boring invincible slugs you can't interact with other than feeding bombs, it literally makes you stop and beg with the words "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE" if you want to keep playing

It's the only video game to ever make me cry, a Mario game of all things.

What argument? That SS and SPM aren't the best-selling and most popular games in the series?

Because they are, you can screech about how people ACKSHUALLY only care about 64 and TTYD, but objective, easily-provable facts say otherwise.

They can experiment all they want as long as they keep the core gameplay and give every boss their unique battle theme and I'd be happy. One of these still happens, so I have faith.

which part?

pussy

it was fine but boy that game is a piece of shit
i assumed it wasn't as bad as people said but jesus christ there really isn't anything even remotely decent in it
even the story which everyone said was great was pretty generic

If you believe that SS is what people care about most, since it sold the most, then why did Color Splash sell like shit despite being a carbon copy of Sticker Star?
Look at the above sentence and read it again. Do it slowly. Cover the rest of the screen if you have to, so you can focus on that. Then, you know, answer it.

>Nintendo rehashes too much
>Except when its a rehash I want, then its okay
>But not when its rehashed the wrong way, then its still shit

This is why Nintendo ignores you fucking idiots and just makes what they want to make, you can't be pleased either way.

Just played SPM fle the first time around a month ago, it's was okay but the capture card thing made the game way too easy, same for items that powered up your attack and stuff, especially against the final boss

It wasn't a carbon copy of Sticker Star

Why are you still harping on and deflecting with Color Splash? Literally no one brought it up but you.

Imagine getting cucked by a fucking butterfly.

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same

What the fuck was his problem?

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Yeah, if I recall correctly Tippi kinda acted like she was done with his shit too until suddenly in Chapter 8 she does a 180

Butterfly was fucking adorable though, so I get it. Bitches love top hats, no less than three were throwing themselves at him all game

I see you have less reading comprehension than I thought.
Because it proves you wrong. Sticker Star and Super Paper Mario sold so much because they were on higher-selling systems and more people saw their marketing. It had nothing to do with the games themselves besides the Paper Mario name. This is fact, and you know that and that's why you refuse to answer the question. Color Splash has practically the same exact gameplay as Sticker Star, complete with unfulfilling gameplay and uninspired NPCs. So, if Sticker Star is what the fans care about, since it sold the most, why didn't Color Splash sell as well as Sticker Star, despite being literally a better Sticker Star?
I know you're having trouble reading this, but look that over and try to answer the question. You might just learn something.

maybe he went haywire like the other one
what the fuck was HIS problem? Could have been an interesting substory or something but they dropped the ball so hard with him

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>B-b-but muh attach rates are what ACKSHUALLY matter!
>Muh rationalizations!
>Muh numbers don't mean what numbers mean!
Just stop.

Agreed, I only ever finished the first few worlds and I'm glad I didn't go back to it considering Vinny's stream of it
Doesn't hold up compared to the first two games at all

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>SPM is supposedly best game in series
>attempt to go back to TTYD/64 gameplay instead of making a second one
Explain this.

(You)

Color Splash was the worst game I ever completed. That game fucking sucked the life out of me. Such an awful game.

I'm not a fag, I don't watch people play.