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You must buy and play this game
Jason Reed
Ian Edwards
Delicious brown girl, you say?
Liam Stewart
But how can I buy and play something that doesnt exist?
Anthony Sullivan
I backed this shit day one
Cant say I'm really excited for it anymore
Justin Miller
Same. Skullgirls was a long time ago.
Blake Campbell
>lesbian
dropped, not even going to pirate
Landon Harris
Show me those feet and I'll consider it
Oliver Cruz
She likes white girls
Luke Wood
Any Skullgirls cameos?
Aaron Ortiz
i lost all interest
Jason Butler
when does this game finally come out?
Nolan Rogers
When you least expect it.
But don't worry there will be at least three threads of varying quality in the catalog to remind you when it does.
Nolan Ortiz
What happens when you rub her pussy and squeeze her butt?
Ryder Morales
I won't buy this game because the protag is
a.) Black
b.) A woman
Jason Jackson
Waiting for someone to reply to a post, respond to NONE of its points, and call the poster an idiot, so I can say "Yaaaaay the copy paste response is here!"
I will also do this if someone hilariously misuses a piece of board terminology.
Chase Barnes
No
Maybe when they make a fighting game that doesn't have gay tag shit in it
Connor Perez
>It's okay to lick Ajna's butthole, but you're not allowed to get up in there.
That's actually a pretty fair deal when you think about it.
Jackson Butler
You won't buy this game because you can't
a.) Have
b.) sex
Elijah Allen
>buying sjw shit
Hudson Morgan
I don't find VP combat interesting.
Eli Cook
Test
Elijah James
>Two years since the Kikestarter ended on the last fucking day
>Absolutely nothing since then other than a bunch of characters being shown and Trigger doing the opening
nah I'm good
Landon Ortiz
not canon. Yurifags are equally annoying as footfags
Dominic Ramirez
Welcome to Yea Forums :)
Dylan Sanders
>You must buy and play this game
next you'll tell me I should buy miriam's game
Henry Cruz
only based post in the thread
Robert Moore
Okay, that's just rude
Easton Bailey
>needed a 30 day extension
>mysterious massive influx of donations at the end of the extension
Why didn't they donate during the end of the first 30 days, before they announced an extension? Really makes you think.
Hudson Wilson
>make the only white character black
>Make him do 1000% more damage than everyone else
Isaiah Gutierrez
This is a game about celebrating every culture in the world
White people have no culture, so they don't belong
Gabriel Reed
>why do people donate last minute
Probably aliens, because people don't do those things.
Bentley Allen
Donating last minute would have meant donating at the end of the first 30 days, which was my point.
For some reason, they waited until the end of an extension that nobody knew was coming.
Asher Nelson
Sounds based to me. All whites are a disease upon the earth. Is MikeZ dare I say, /ourguy/?
James Foster
In the first 30 days the game wasn't close to meeting the goal. However people did donate last minute in the first 30 days as well, it's what got them the extension.
>until the end of an extension that nobody knew was coming.
Are you retarded? It's not some kind of secret feature, the platform they used offered extensions if you got past whatever percent was necessary.
Jonathan Mitchell
Sell me on it
Ian Ramirez
Sure. They totally didn't take out a loan, because people weren't interested enough to kickstart the game after almost 60 days.
People just so happened to wait after the originally planned campaign ended and the extension was granted.
Jaxon Lopez
>supporting sjws
sure hope nobody here does that
Matthew Green
Or maybe, you know, more people heard about it after the extension, and so more people donated.
Nah that'd be crazy.
Jace Hill
Sure, people just so happened to hear about it in the last few days of the extension of the original failed campaign and decided to shell out large amounts of money.
Ryder Gonzalez
I'd rather support a game than support whatever shit Yea Forums has to offer.
Lucas Hall
Does this game play itself? Sure looks like it.
Jose Gomez
>Sure, people just so happened to hear about it in the last few days of the extension
>People do things last minute
Is this really unbelievable for you, user?
Logan Cox
I already bought it years ago, where's the "play" part?
Adrian Baker
Did Valkyrie profile?
Tyler Young
It's unbelievable that the original end of the campaign didn't warrant donating. I don't believe for a second that all those fans just came out of the woodwork at day 59.
Hudson Watson
Did it? Didn't play it.
Julian Roberts
Nah, i really dislike the gameplay comcept and after seeing some videos posted here the core of what i experienced during that demo/beta or whatever is still intact so thats a no for me.
also this. i understand games take quite a while to make butit has been too long already.
Zachary Martin
>that the original end of the campaign didn't warrant donating.
The goal was too far away by the original campaign end, so people donated enough to get the extension. When the second deadline approached, the game was much closer to being funded and so people shelled out. People act this way all the time, user.
Thomas Evans
Already paid for it and am very excited.
She's delicious brown and a cute girl though. Same as Kat from Gravity Rush.
Thomas Smith
You should, it's pretty good.
Evan Hughes
You mean brown Ryuko
Thomas Flores
>platformer
>you can swing your weapon and shit
>game turns into turn-based wankery as you hit an enemy
Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
Nolan Wilson
>Playable Backer preview
>publicly playable at events on a regular basis recently
>regular and consistent updates on development
>regular panels and interviews
>already released said Trigger opening publicly
>"there's been nothing!"
There literally could not be more unless they just gave you the game right now.
Grayson Wood
Improved Ryuko.
Xavier Russell
>Valkyrie Profile clone
But why, Valkyrie Profile wasn't even that good? Why clone an ok game?
Dylan Parker
i am with that user. HAving a massive influx of donation on the last day of the extension seems weird as fuck. Not because it happed but if people were actually interested on it they would have donated on the last day of the campaign. No one knew it was possible to have an extension and even after that, judging by the amount of money they gathered during the final days the amount of money during the extension should have been way lower.
It is obvious they took a loan of some sorts to meet this goal.
Adam Collins
>>regular and consistent updates on development
I have not seen a remotely interesting thing from this games development from a gameplay perspective, where as bloodstain has released several scenes and a few boss encounters conversely.
Jacob Thompson
>Shitting in a glass of milk
>improving
Maximum cuck status achieved.
Nathan Gonzalez
SJW detected
William Wright
Mike wanted to make a new game so he did. Despite everyones complaining. There's something to commend. Yea Forums doesn't really matter in the long run so just do what you want and have fun.
Did he say they'll go back to Skullgirls after this?
Bentley Anderson
Anita still living rent free in your head I see.
Xavier Edwards
Dumbed down Ryouko.
Nathaniel Smith
why no vita version?
Literally the target audience for shit like this
Parker Miller
Where's the game, fag. And there is nothing to commend when the game is funded by everyone else's dollar. There is nothing to commend when you show a fuck ton of characters, then go back on all of them and change a majority to suit your own ideals rather than what you presented to the people who supported you.
Jayden Brown
>HAving a massive influx of donation on the last day of the extension seems weird as fuck.
This happens virtually for EVERY kickstarting campaign ever. People always leave that shit for the last minute.
>No one knew it was possible to have an extension
Nigger that shit is not hidden, it's an indiegogo thing that everyone knew about.
Jacob Reyes
Which of the following needs to be erradicated first?
A) SJW
B) Religion
Liam Barnes
Can't wait for DOTR so you pukes get what you deserve.
Jayden Ramirez
nobody who owns a vita actually buys games
Kayden Gutierrez
>I have not seen
Do you actually check the developer updates or are you just expecting something magical to appear, Yea Forums to shit itself over it for a week, and that to be how you're aware of what's going on?
They update on character gameplay, animations, moves, world locations, concept art etc. via their website which they also put as updates on the original indiegogo campaign, send to backers by email and put on their site too.
I don't know what you expect exactly. They've been up front and consistent during the games development, with constant updates.
Lincoln Rodriguez
It'll come out when its ready you permavirgin.
And yes they can. It's their fucking game. They can do whatever the hell they want. You sound like you think your opinion matters when it doesnt.
Your lucky he doesn't run away with your money you cuck.
Jordan Watson
I expect gameplay, I expect a flashy boss, I expect being shown a game someone wants to fucking play.
Brandon Lewis
I didn't pay a fucking dollar for this shit show you fucking retard.
Adam Torres
They've shown all of that though.
Elijah Reed
But user, Vasco got back into being white and now revolver niggalot became a new character that hates based pt conquistador. No really, I aint kidding, backlash was so fucking huge they undid it.
Noah Parker
Then why the fuck are you complaining about then you idiot? Who in their right mind would stay in an indivisible thread for if they dont even care for it? To discuss politics? Did you get lost on your way to /pol/?
Brayden Edwards
They didn't undo shit, Vasco will be in the game but he isn't playable anymore. You get Lazy Pete instead.
Grayson Hill
1. He's not playable.
2. Why the fuck would you trust someone who bait and switched everyone that hard?
Noah Bennett
>This happens virtually for EVERY kickstarting campaign ever. People always leave that shit for the last minute.
SOme people do and some KICKSTARTERS are able to reach it with a increased amount of money coming in the last few days.
>Nigger that shit is not hidden, it's an indiegogo thing that everyone knew about.
Nigga nobody gives a fuck for indie gogo, ahve you ever fucking seen what they ahve displayed on the site? Even if people saw it doesnt mean people actually gave a fuck about.
No matter how you put it having that amount of money after an extension that no one knew was coming instead of donating in the last days of the actual campaing is suspicious as fuck and i dont believe it for a second they didnt take a loan somewhere and neither should you. The later is a much more realistic position than the former.
Luke Evans
the average vitagen fag has spent literal thousands on the thing
you're thinking of 3DS kids
Blake Phillips
This.
Mighty No. Indivisible, that is if it ever gets out of development hell
James Morris
Why are you here? To talk about a game that isn't released? A game where they refuse to show any meaningful content for? Surely you come to a fucking v indivisible thread for good company right?
Jayden Young
something about this looks like shit, I can't put my finger on it. it reminds me of a shitty flash knockoff of a real game
why does every kickstarted game end up feeling "cheap"? even Half Genie Hero felt cheap compared to the other Shantae games (which weren't even that great to begin with)
Ethan Flores
They’ve shown gameplay and bosses. You can literally fight them yourself in the backer preview even.
Chase Hall
>backlash was so fucking huge they undid it.
Nice. Hopefully this SJW trainwreck is somewhat playable if it ever comes out.
Connor Butler
>t. Mik Z patting himself in the backbecause no one will
lmao
Nathan Foster
Maybe in another 3 years, because that is how long it looks like it will take before it comes out.
Jonathan Thomas
>Even if people saw it doesnt mean people actually gave a fuck about.
They clearly did, considering they donated enough to get the extension.
>No matter how you put it having that amount of money after an extension that no one knew was coming instead of donating in the last days of the actual campaing is suspicious
1) People knew it was coming
2) It's not suspicious at all. The extension gave the campaign enough time to reach enough people who would donate. The amount of shitposting in this site alone was a big boost, and people redoubled their efforts to shill for the game.
Austin Lopez
Please do not use pure daughterfu to shitpost with.
Isaac Hughes
>Backer preview
Jack Clark
I'm not Kike Z though.
But he made Skullgirls so he's alright in my book. The fuck if I care what his political views are? You faggots will argue over anything. It's pathetic. I come to Yea Forums to post games and shitpost, not gawk at twitter threads all day.
Noah Turner
>The fuck if I care what his political views are?
Not him but in a vacuum, it shouldn't matter one bit what somebody's views are.
Now when they overtly insert them into a crowdfunded piece of media without even attempting to hide it, that's when people need to call them out on their bullshit.
Skullgirls was great but it also had virtually no SJW agenda attached to it.
Cameron Cox
>Skullgirls was great but it also had virtually no SJW agenda attached to it.
Then why are you so sured this one's got an SJW agenda? Is it just because the setting isn't vikings and LotR?
Andrew Long
is there anything this game does that valkyrie profile doesn't already do? I have nothing against games being heavily inspired by other games but this looks like a literal clone
Colton Stewart
What sjw agenda are we talking about again?
Jackson Torres
>Show off a gruff white cowboy character
>Make him black and refined out of nowhere
Cooper Bell
Holly shit you got to be trolling. Nobody can be this dense on purpose
>They clearly did, considering they donated enough to get the extension.
NO they didnt, because if they did they wouldn't need the fucking extension to begging with
>People knew it was coming
Not entirely true, they let people know about it almost in the end of the campaign because they knew they couldn't get enough money in time.
>It's not suspicious at all. The extension gave the campaign enough time to reach enough people who would donate.
It is suspicious as fuck. Magically getting in the last minute OF THE EXTENSION the money they couldn't get DURING THE ENTIRE FUCKING CAMPAIGN is very suspicious.
>The amount of shitposting in this site alone was a big boost, and people redoubled their efforts to shill for the game.
If you think Yea Forums alone was enough to shill the game to get that huge ass amount of money in the last fucking day you need to leave this site for a while.
Skullgirls was top notch and didnt have any political shit attached to it for what i know. i dont care about indivisible politics i just find the gameplay to be unsatisfying.
Austin Robinson
Blackwashing, forced diversity, minimalization of Caucasian representation, goddess-complex tier female empowerment, the usual. White males bad, colored females good.
Carson Perry
What's with all the shilling recently?
Xavier Allen
>me buying a game
Lawl, good one there, m8
The girl is cute, I'll definitely play it.
Christopher Miller
This nigger has got his priorities in order.
Jacob Fisher
How exactly is this game sjw?
Nicholas Ramirez
It's the only way to keep interest due everyone, sans the backers who get previews and demos, forgetting about it.
Jackson Martin
Eh, its preferable to be unplayable than to have mah boi become a black dude with a revolver.
I dont particularly, but hey, still a decent outcome
Brody Collins
It isn't. People here are just massively, massively retarded. You just gotta roll with it.
Zachary Edwards
Why do all of the other characters literally fly out of her ass when the battle starts?
Ryder Wood
>NO they didnt, because if they did they wouldn't need the fucking extension to begging with
They donated enough to get the extension.
>Not entirely true, they let people know about it almost in the end of the campaign because they knew they couldn't get enough money in time.
That's true, but that also means that people didn't need to donate more as long as the extension cutoff was reached.
>Magically getting in the last minute OF THE EXTENSION
Well yes, user. People do things last minute. When there's a lot of time, people just wait and see. When the campaign was almost over, people emptied their pockets to get the game funded. Nothing about this is surprising.
>If you think Yea Forums alone was enough to shill the game
I implied no such thing. I'm pointing out that the amount on shilling on Yea Forums exploded after the extension, and it stands to reason it exploded everywhere else.
Aiden Adams
WHEN IS THIS GAME COMING OUT FFS
Ryan Parker
But the white cowboy is still in the game?
Granted, it fucking sucks that he's been replaced on the team, but that's not enough for me to brand this game as SJW.
Chase Hill
You can't seriously be this much of a cuck.
Luis Long
You mean Vasco? To be honest, a random cowboy would be cool, yeah, but it doesnt really mesh well with the asian vibe they have going. To me, I equate that to personal taste, not some sjw agenda. Thats like the ice cream Pokémon situation all over again.
I think you guys are having an existential crisis or something because.im pretty sure theres still some titty jiggle in the game. Also Zone is working on the game.
Jaxon Perry
Yeah, that's what I think too. Characters redesigns happens all the time and the devs are free to change anything it suits their characters most.
Skullgirls just isn't "sjw" because it had woman nearly naked, am I right.
Anthony Gonzalez
>but it doesnt really mesh well with the asian vibe
Do you see that fucking replacement? Are you fucking retarded and blind?
Michael Gomez
user, he is a conquistador. A colonizer. He is not a cowboy, he is rocking the rifles, the shoes and the helmet of a conquistador, what are you on about cowboys.
Gavin Sanchez
I'm stating facts. The game is still full of delicious brown girls. Latigo is a terrible redesign, he's not the only terrible redesign the game's gotten, just look at Baozhai. He just happened to be made brown as well which makes him a drama lightning rod.
Juan Gonzalez
He's not a random cowboy. He's a Cowboy CONQUISTADOR; which would mesh very well. Much better than his replacement too. Changing him was a mistake.
Jonathan Evans
Well let's see. Ajna looks like she goes through ruins that are based on angkor wat/south east asia. Penangallans are enemies. Riceballs are enemies. So looks like newguinea/thailand.
The new character looks like a spanish conquistador so it would make sense to have one travelling around the area. Maybe looking for treasure or the fountain of youth or something. Now that makes sense.
What doesnt makes sense is some cowboy man that got stranded for whatever reason. It'd be neat if it happened but its obvious it isnt what they were going for.
Ryan Thompson
I don't think the point is coming across. We are going in circles in here
If people cared they wouldn't need the extension.
Even if people "empty their pockets" in the last minute they would have done so during the regular campaign, not during the extension that nobody knew it was coming.
Even if more people donated after it shouldn't have met the necessary amount of money because, again, if people cared they would have donated during the regular campaign.
Suddenly out of nowhere they got the exact amount of money they needed in the last minute and this can't be out of regular donations. They got that money somewhere else.
if you really think people came out of the woodwork to donate that kind of money in the last fucking minute of an extension that nobody knew was coming ON INDIEGOGO in the last fucking day you are out of your mind. Regardless of how the game turns out to be that shit is suspicious as fuck and i don't trust these devs no more and neither should you. If you don't believe me than i guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Wyatt Cruz
Too many little pieces just from the little footage we've seen.
The main character is a brown girl.
There is a Burger King Kids' Club level of unnatural diversity in the cast. Next reveal will be a character in a wheelchair screencap this post.
The gunner was changed from a shifty white male conquistador type into a calm and regal black man.
A bunch of minor shit I'm too lazy to list.
Jack Nguyen
Playable demo is nothing?
Jonathan James
vascos original design as way superior, holly fuck
Adam Lopez
>If people cared they wouldn't need the extension.
You're basing your entire argument on the idea that the people who care day one are the same people who will care on day sixty. That's not how things work. You're really styling that tinfoil hat.
Ian Gonzalez
Man if they even changed the personality no way it's sjw, It's clear it was a redesign. Now why the devs decided to redesign his character, I have no idea.
Christian Williams
You mean the one that plays exactly like the one they released during their fucking Kickstarter campaign?
Jacob Cooper
>The main character is a brown girl.
See, this is why I can't take you seriously. Ajna is a delicious brown tomboy that turns into a fucking indian deity of destruction, and if that's SJW then call me Anita Sarkeesian.
Gavin Sanders
>it doesnt really mesh well with the asian vibe they have going
And a black fencer from Algeria does? The cast barely fits together
Ayden Long
Eh I dunno they definitely look different enough to be different characters but the right definitely screams spanish conquistador. The one on the left looks more cowboy especially with that ten gallon hat.
What I dont understand is why wouldn't they change him back or at least make them separate if people are so upset about it?
Are people upset about it or is it just Yea Forums? Because if its the latter then no one should care. Yea Forumss opinion doesn't matter and never will.
Landon Perez
>no way it's sjw
>why the devs decided to redesign his character, I have no idea.
Nathaniel Lee
>tomboy is automatically a lesbian
Fuck off yuricucks. If she is though I look forward to the fanart of her getting de-dyked through the power of cock, hopefully in front of her female love interest.
Jayden Lewis
O_Õ
Aaron Baker
>And a black fencer from Algeria does?
I don't think he's even IN anymore, user. But Vasco does fit.
I miss coffee negro though, I think he was cut but I really liked him. I hope he's an NPC or something.
Kayden Hughes
I didn't say I didn't already fap to her delicious spats numerous times, let me just be clear about that. The deliberate brown girl MC that turns into a god that hasn't changed since the initial reveal was a very conscious choice.
Henry Gutierrez
Why is Yea Forums so stupid?
>if its brown to white its whitewash
>if its white to brown its sjw
Give me a break.
Leo Reed
no i am not and if got this out of all i said you have some real reading comprehension problems.
Good luck with that though.
Jack Rodriguez
>Unfundable
Nathan Bailey
>right screams ole uncle nigga drawn by a tumblr faggot
>left screams conquistador mixed with cowboy in fantasy setting
fixd
Jackson Harris
>You must buy and play this game
Nope, after you fucking faggot shilled their indiegogo 24/7 here.
Kevin Davis
Meh, it's something to shitpost about since the fuckers refuse to actually release a game.
Nah, the plate mail on the guy on the left with the fringed leather tells a story. This guy has seen some shit, probably came over with the spics and went mountain man after murdering 50,000 savages.
The guy on the right has a two foot bayonet on his revolver and a shield on one side of his hat.
Race aside, it's a straight downgrade.
Cooper Butler
Says you. But it doesn't really matter anyway. Aren't there like, 30 other characters to choose from?
Hunter Parker
So the game isn't just ruining characters, it's also cutting them completely?
What a fucking mess
Liam Myers
wake me up when I actually see some sjw shit for real. So far what I have seen is people screaming why characters aren't white and why the mc is female, when she is just a female character with no "empowerment mentality" or anything related to left agenda If I am going to be a triggered /pol/ retard, at least I want to have a real reason.
David Scott
I think the only thing so far that actually says "SJW" to me is the Vasco change. I could believe that someone threw a shitfit about how conquistadors were problematic so they turned him into.... that.
But the game's diversity isn't bad. It's specifically set in a setting where those kinds of characters fit, and they don't feel forced to me at all.
Nathaniel Baker
When's it coming out?
Lincoln Torres
Never.
Eli Nguyen
Says anyone with a functioning brain.
Wyatt Thompson
Because they are literally inside her head.
Tyler Gomez
>right speaks conquistador
As a iberian, you are retarded on a primal level in ways I cannot properly describe. Rejoice however, you are thanfully not on the design team and your retardation has thanfully not influenced the fact that Vasco (conquistador, the real one) is now his actual character and seperate from Revolver Nigga, being such a based chad merc that Driveby Six-Shooter hates him. Vasco is now unplayable but I prefer that instead of the atrocity of Single Action Bayonet Bonobo.
Ian Murphy
This better be a big ass game considering how long it's taking. Though I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a quick 4 hour romp seeing as how they're sinking so much time and money into making the huge cast.
Brody Kelly
The best thing about tomboys is even if they're lesbian, they make great best friends and are usually more than happy to help you meet other girls.
Cameron Lopez
I won’t be playing this tumblr fag wannabe anime trash hahahahah
Isaiah Ortiz
That's the big one, and honestly the devs seem very sensitive to community feedback so I seriously doubt there will be any overt stuff like dialogue.
There are going to be a million threads scrutinizing every aspect of the game though, so an agenda will be manufactured if none exists.
James Barnes
Good for you, faggot.
Leo Flores
BRchan-tan is cute.
Daniel Flores
I don't think these niggas understand how Bows work.
Carson Williams
Ah, discussing about real accuracy in a fantasy setting, because characters aren't a white man.
Zachary Baker
@458034918
I aint givin you the satifaction until you speak like a human being.
Adrian Rivera
and if it's white or brown to yellow?
Aaron Bennett
thoughts on this character design?
Austin Flores
Just play the new Valkyrie Profile mobile game instead desu
Christopher Powell
Better than his redesign. Both look like faggots but the new one is flaming.
Blake Reed
Hair blades are dumb, orange and black are a great combo, weapon looks nice, expression is meh but overall solid.
Christian Nelson
Shut the fuck up you clownposting faggot
Owen Jones
>the right def screams spanish conquistador
Yeah nothing scream spanish more than a scrawny old black man and nothing scream conquistador more than tight black pants and a faggot revolver with a fucking bayonet
this is fresh out of a tumblr wetdream, fuck off
Jordan Powell
>he looks like a real Spaniard when he looks like a nigger!!
>he actually doesn’t
>wow who cares about realism loolol
Justin Butler
What was the name of the game by the way?
Ian Adams
I am in agreement. Did they even announce a release date at this point?
William Ramirez
I wans't even the user they were arguing with, I am just pointing out that people only care about it because he's black now, specially because I have seen the same situation happen twice and it's true. There's a bunch of non sense shit elsewhere but let it slide, right.
Landon Martinez
>I am just pointing out that people only care about it because he's black now
Wrong, I care about it because he looks like shit now, and it's not because of the color.
Alexander Thomas
it looks kinda boring though
Alexander Adams
>No Toko
>Latigo instead of revolverrifle man
Who else got the shaft? I remember seeing some scottish golf samurai during the pitch, did he even get an description/name?
Carter Green
No it looks a million times worse on top of them making him a nigger.
>b-but /pol/turds do it t-too
Wow so based and very red pilled!!!
Lincoln Bell
Baohzai, who is no longer a chinese pirate.
I don't think there was any scottish golfer though, not in the campaign at least.
Christian Miller
Cameron Reyes
I'm glad that Ajna and Razmi have stayed pure even if everyone else gets redesigned.
Aiden Lopez
Redesign literally ruined him.
Jose Phillips
wait a minute, those pecs
Carter Davis
inderisible
Josiah Long
Redesign made him a flaming homosexual whereas before he was just a very very pretty man.