How does this rank in the DMC series?

Nidhogg is meh. Different from being bad. Kinda reminds me of Leviathan Heart minus the awful gimmick. The tree looks good.

Roots, Gilgamesh, Urizen (Sitting, not prologue)

Close enough, but 5 has a significantly better story than 1. Everything else is correct though.

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compare that to the numerous amount of shitty bosses from 3
>Arkham
>Geryon
>Doppelganger
>Gigapede
>Nevan
>Beowulf

Not saying it's more or less than any of the other games, just that there are a few of those bosses in 5

Nevan and Beo are great fights. Doppel is fine too.

I agree though, the worst boss in the game is gilgamesh and it's only because it's boring. There is nothing even close to the levels of shit that Gigapede, Leviathan Heart, the Savior or the fucking glass window are.

And what about the list of shitty normal enemies? Like the miasma dudes? Or the pseudo angels or that statue with roller skates that runs away

Trickster and Royal Guard are to ridiculous over powered in 5. The fact that when Vergil goes Sin Devil Trigger I can just spam dodge and be fine ruins the fight when compared to any of the 3 Vergil fights in DMC3. How very passive Vergil is and the lack of moves he has in 5 just helps it to be easy to win by playing over defensively. I wish they battle ground 5's fight took place on was more kino like 3's as well but that is just my taste.

What's wrong with Beowulf?

I wouldn't really call any of those terrible. The roots might as well not even be a boss to me, it's more of an introduction fight than anything and basically just serves to be a more manageable version of the prologue fight. It's just nothing, an inoffensive start to the game. Gilgamesh has its own quirks to it that make it an interesting fight even if it isn't as good as the other fights. It's an interesting idea that hasn't really been attempted in the series before. I think it more just comes off as weak compared to the rest of the bosses. The sitting Urizen fight I think is pretty fun personally.

I gotta agree with all these rankings. But I personally rank 5 as my favorite. The chess demons in 3 were boring to fight and Dante and Nero offer alot more replayability imo. 3 had better stages and slightly better bosses though.

Nidhogg spends a bunch of time not doing anything, he's basically a tutorial for the concept of fighting a boss as V. He'd flop over in a second if you fought him as anybody else.

Geryon, Nevan, and Beowulf are all good bosses.

I feel 5 has to have points subtracted for terrible characterisation. It almost retroactively ruins Virgil and Dante's not much better at times. Why does he attack Virgil on site the first time he sees him? Dante doesn't even give him a chance to talk.

Go back and play 3 without the style switcher mod, which is unstable as hell right now, and tell me that 3 is a better game than 5. It's so insanely barebones I can't stand to play it now. 5 topped it completely.

>Why does he attack Virgil on site the first time he sees him? Dante doesn't even give him a chance to talk.
What are you retarded?

I've never even played it with the style switcher mod and I like it more. I like fucking kirby super star more than bayonetta 2, complexity isn't everything.

No

The characterization is the strongest part of the story telling. It's plot details that detract from it.

Why wouldn't he attack Vergil? He gave V(ergil) the benefit of the doubt and let him "finish it with his own hands". Which led to V(ergil) monologuing about how he's still obsessed with power and betraying Dante's trust by reforming with Urizen instead of destroying him.

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I'm sorry you're stupid.

>He doesn't like Nevan
How? She's literally if shadow and griffon had a baby

>still comparing dmc to soul games
how fucking handicapped you are

I don't see anything wrong with letting V(ergil) save himself he was on death's door. Vergil's character is bad because it ignores the ending of 3 where Virgil accepts his defeat. It also throws away Virgils underlying motive for his power autism and just turns him into a seething jobber butthurt he lost to Dante.

Something must be wrong with me then, I significantly enjoy gilgamesh and gigapide.
I think the worst bosses of 5 and 3 are leviathan heart and else greyon Knight

>I don't see anything wrong with letting V(ergil) save himself he was on death's door.

You continue to ignore the part where he lied to Dante about what he was going to do and how he started talking about being motivated by power. You're also retarded for thinking that anything different would have happened if he had let "Vergil talk". If Vergil wanted to say anything he would have said it. He told Dante to heal up so they could fight and then he fucked off. Where are you getting this misconception that Dante didn't let him explain himself?

How does it ignore him accepting his defeat in 3? Losing in 3 is him conceding that Dante was stronger than he was and his attainment of power was incomplete. His motivation for attaining power at any cost has always remained the same and he's legitimately not a jobber. He's overall even with Dante unless you count Nelo, in which case he's legit 1 fight down across like 7 fights.

I'm sorry you're a nigger.

not him but i always liked 3 without style switcher, the combat is definitely deep enough to be fun and interesting with on the fly weapon switching and if you're a chad, swordmaster

DMC3 > DMC5 > DMC1 > DMC4 > shit > DMC 2

I heard there was a reboot made by a western company a couple of years ago.

you could probably replace "shit" with that reboot and it would fit

Tell me more about this reboot. What kind of alterations, if any, did they make to Dante and Vergil?

3 > 1 > 5 > 4 > DmC > 2

just watch
youtube.com/watch?v=jBWkpvsnBww

Id hate to see how you play dmc game

Vergil is the complete inverse of what he is in the mainline series. In DMC Vergil is honorable, hates guns and respects strength above all else. He's a lone wolf who is very active in achieving his goals.

In DmC Vergil is a deceitful snake that uses an assault rifle to shoot a pregnant woman in the womb to kill her baby. He completely relies on Dante and others to achieve his goals and manipulates them into doing so.

Dante in 5 is the peak of the action genre

Gilgamesh honestly isn't a bad boss but there's no way it or Niddhogg are better than Greyon knight

>all this brainlet enemies and muh le stylish gameplay
boring and easy game for pure weebfags pretending they are good at vidya

How would DMC 3 Dante have reacted in the same situation? Probably would have said something cocky and tried to goad Virgil into a fight. How does he react in 5? REEEEEs at getting tricked, scream at Nero for no reason then immediately launces himself at Virgil.

Why couldn't the themes ever get this good again?
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3 (style switcher mod) > power gap > 5 > 3 >4 > 1 >2

Dante from 25+ years ago would have essentially done the same thing. Writing out the situation like a retard doesn't make the situation look retarded. It just makes you look so.

>is a deceitful snake
Vergil does that too though. Remember how he literally stabbed Arkham in the back after he opened the door for him?

i forgot how awful this game was
what is that sound supposed to be when vergil charges what the fuck

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i think it was semi-justified due to having suspicions towards arkham in relations to lady

That's more-so to show that Vergil knows that Arkham is using him and is clearly evil. He's essentially executing a man he knows is a murderer and pure evil. If they had him trust arkham up until his big reveal Vergil would have looked like a fucking idiot.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUSTER VERGIL IN BLOODY PALACE?

>due to having suspicions towards arkham in relations to lady
he knew that lady was his daughter and shittalked him for not properly murdering her.
Main reason why he backstabbed him is probably because he is obviously evil and a backstabbing snake too.
Still doesn't really change the fact that he literally backstabbed him

yes

yes

Only when hes in plane mode?

3 > 5 > 1 > 4 >>>>>>>> 2

Dante in 3 never attacks first (unless you do so in game). He's always keeps his cool.

i dunno, vergil is gonna stop at nothing to get power in 3. DmC vergil is completely different
also he did not backstab him

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3 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1
i am not kidding

pretty based honestly
1 is too simple to be fun

fuck off Barry

thank you user

1 being too simple to be fun is a fair point to make but if you say that after putting 2 above it in any capacity that just makes you look dumb

aight aight howabout this
3 > 5 > 4 > 2 = 1

>2 > 1
explain

Dante in 3 also says that the soul of Sparda lives within both of them, and that Dante's soul is telling him he has to stop Vergil. Even if it means killing him.

V says it during Urizen's defeat. They disagree on their very reason for existing. Both want to be Sparda but have very different philosophies on how to go about it, to the point that they believe the only way they can be proven right is by killing the other. If you pay attention during the game, you'll notice all of V's humanizing scenes are with character's that aren't Dante. Whenever V and Dante are together Dante blows him off. As far as he's concerned Vergil is the Vergil he defeated in 3, except for even more extreme and worse due to the torture of being Nelo Angelo.

tell capcom to make them how they use to

Gameplay wise its probably the Best action game ever made but it kinda lacks in the artistic department and story, overrall a solid 9-9.5 Best DMC game

Geryon is not a good boss. Nevan and Beowulf are tho.

>too simple
with that thought process, 3 should be below 5 and 4 since it's much more simpler as well you fucking idiot

but 3's combat system is way deepper than 3 and actaully has an interesting story. 4 is half of a game so the only good thing about it is its combat
dmc1 doesnt have these things to consider it a good game

*3's combat system is way deeper than 1's
im sorry, im tired

>but 3's combat system is way deepper than 1
not really. 3's combat system is fairly simple but what makes it so fucking great is its consistency and what it allows you to pull off with enough creativity.
Issue is that the actual interaction between you and the enemy is fucking barebones and this is even more pronounced against later enemies.
Due to that fighting anything that isn't basic juggle material ranges from alright to absolute horseshit with a few exceptions like Vergil

3=5>4>1>DmC>2
Honestly tough to pick between 3 and 5. 5 has more features and options, but 3 was such a tight package with how well it was balanced, plus the plot and the writing were way better and the whole game felt more fast and snappy.

3 > 1 > 4 = 5 > DmC > 2