What did you guys think about the ending of the game? I was told by a bunch of people that the ending was this irredeemable mess that undercuts the whole franchise, but after finishing the game today I have to say I disagree.
Not sure if people's panties are in a bunch because it implies that the previous games "didn't really happen," my assumption is that V3 took place in an alternate universe where DR was a game franchise, like ours, that grew so large that it became this real-life phenomenon. I thought the ending was a little bit thought provoking, interesting, and completely caught myself off guard. It's also the perfect way to end the series for good, way better than the abortion of an ending the anime gave it. They coulda done something with Tsumagi (?) since she was so completely unused throughout the game, that her existence at the end kinda highlighted her as potential mastermind material. Then again, Sonia Nevermind was similarly underutilized, and she just managed to survive in the end.
Ohma best boy, Miu best girl V3>2>1>UDG>The fucking anime
The ending is fine. It actually does a good job being fairly despair-inducing seeing that it crumbles all of your expectations about redemption and getting back home and what the fuck ever, or seeing the old characters. And all the options to finish the whole thing are still bittersweet, which is why I kinda hate the fact that the last 3 still survive, but it's not like they really have anywhere to go to. The outside world felt bad about what they've been watching enough to spare them but I doubt that would change the rotten-ass society out there too much. V3's world sounds like a sociopathic fucking mess. I'd be fine with an UDG styled sequel about what happens after but I doubt it will happen at this point and UDG's gameplay was terrible anyways
Easton Smith
>V3's ending >good and no, I'm not butthurt about the previous games not being real
To be fair K1-Bo was essentially already dead before his suicide after having his personality replaced. His explosion was a last chance to save the others and stop the execution.
Bentley Howard
>danganshitter
Eli Morgan
This was just Shuichi making sure he wouldn't have to share his loli or waifu
Hudson Walker
It was pretty kino but all the ch.6 are like that so it's nothing impressive. Too bad the entire game before that was super mediocre.
I fucking hated it. The tease about getting to the mastermind, and flipping it over to "nothing matters lmao". Fucking bullshit. Not to mention the dozens of contradictions introduces with the 4th wall break.. Why would fictional characters have to audition? >"You were actually a sociopath before, lmao" Let's just throw a bit of determinism into the mix, huh?
I liked the ending. It has a good in universe explanation but disliked how it is poor excuse of the bad writting for characters.
This may come biased but I can assure you it isn't, as I was saying my favorite character would be dead from profile translation alone and before the demo even dropped out in japan. I really disliked the survivors. Himiko was a character that had potential to be very loveable but her arc wasn't satisfying in redeemering bloodly annoying things she did in the past and even despite her gimmick being the symbol of coping and escape and she telling us that she wants to change, she doesn't abandon that shit entirely (specially when it caused her problems in the past like in chapter 2). I also strongly dislike characters that only jave empathy when it's about just 2 people or qhen it's too late, it is just sadder the ones that have no one actually remembering them instead. Saihara is just saihara and maki is a cliche character with both cliche development and execution. I am actually glad that kiibo died, as a uninteresting character, get the role of being part of the show was a nice choice and blowing up a character that were mostly used as plot device and didn't deserve the survivor spot was the better pick.
Asher Morris
Was unhappy with her chapter, or at least Miu's part of it. Her whole murder attempt really came out of the blue, and the moment she ran up and pushed the bridge away I knew she was toast. Too obvious for her to have been the blackened, so signalling a murder attempt as much as she did was a huge death flag.
She wasn't even really redeemed at the end. "My inventions will save the world" was a pretty stupid justification to commit VR murder. I liked the Ohma/Gonta aspects of it but she felt like an afterthought, wish she would have survived instead of Himiko, at least there would have been some comedic relief instead of Bland, Blandd and Blandy.
Shit even my boy K1bo became boring af when his antenna broke
Nathan Adams
I liked it, seemed fitting to end the series with a crazy semi fourth wall breaking thing. Them implying that the previous games didnt happen or them blaming the players for the bad shit didnt really ring true to me. Besides, I adore how Shuichi the mad man actually literally ended Danganronpa.
Hudson Ramirez
does anyone have that ibuki and angie webm with sound? you know the ones
Joshua Hall
I think they're running out of ideas for interesting murders/class trials, I should probably check out phoenix wright.
Noah Bailey
>She wasn't even really redeemed at the end. Not every person gets redeemed
William Baker
>Ohma what the fuck man
Kayden Sanders
I guess. Just feels that every other killer got a chance to have lengthy explanaitions, or have some kinda story beat that made them useful. Miu had her inventions turn up later on, but it still felt like she was swept under the carpet most of all.
Jeremiah Lee
Ohma's just a practical jokester who saved everyone, who just wanted to hang out with his chill clown family and drive his supercar
I have a legit hard time with the names sometimes so normally the short weird ones are the ones that stick with me.
I remember a big problem for me in DGR2 was chosing from al ist of names and me being unable to put a face to any of the names
Lucas Howard
I can't believe, genuinely cannot believe, how fucking stupid so many people are when it comes to the ending.
Cameron Evans
The whole "Oh, you have your talents because we brainwashed you into believing you could do it! Never mind practice, aptitude, and experience, the belief is enough!" shit was ridiculous.
Jaxon Ortiz
It was my favourite of all chapter 6 cases but that's not saying much. It wasn't complete garbage like 1 and 2 at least. Swap UDG with 2 and that's my ranking. the overall story of danganronpa is really fucking bad and it's only worth playing because of the murder cases
Nathaniel Ortiz
the worst ones are those that fully understand the ending and still think it was, somehow, even acceptable
It's very similar to Human Centipede 2 (Full Sequence,) a movie which is admittadly terrible, but has a fun premise I always thought was interesting.
In it the protagonist exists in our world is a huge fan of the original Human Centipede film, and decides to recreate it. I like the idea of a sequel taking place in a world where the original exists as a work of fiction
I liked so much about Danganronpa 2, but had some pretty big gripes. I managed to guess the simulation twist very early on, which deflated a lot of the tension. Also there were some exceptionally bad cases like 2 and 3. 4 was good in concept, but I caught Gundham's lie like, a few minutes in (him having the deluxe room and therefor shouldn't have heard the loud bang,) so the trial was frustrating as I was desperately waiting for them to bring it up.
I think the deluxe room was the final piece of evidence even.
Case 1 and 5 in 2 are supurb though.
Fucking hated that they all could come back in the end, felt like they were too in love with their Marie Sue cast. Best part about 1 and 3 is that the cast at least stays dead
John King
the good Danganronpa trials are more fun and intense than Phoenix wright trials
Joseph Perry
DGR1 is no masterpiece, and definately the worst mainline, but I really am not a fan of UDGs, the game is just so mechanically bad
Andrew Walker
Hey people can’t kill each other if everyone kills themselves, he knew what was up.
Nolan Smith
Since we're on the topic, what are the worst trials from the franchise. I'd say first trial of dr1 because the killer is already revealed by one piece of evidence
Henry Thompson
>it's only worth playing because of the murder cases
the best thing in the chapter 6 of 2 is that we learn that all of our classmates are actually the bad guys, and we have no chances of bringing the dead back. the one that ruined that by showing the cast as good people and slapping brainwash into the mix was the anime
Wyatt Reed
what was unacceptable about it
Jack Thomas
I never get why people hate on the first trial. Its meant to be a idiot proof tutorial for the entire series. Granted, name on the wall was tad much but I understood that it wasnt so obvious for the japanese audience because its not in moonrunes.
Blake Cooper
>tutorial case >hurrrr why is it so easy
Joshua Mitchell
Dr2 and v3's first trial was also a tutorial
Jace Nguyen
My personal worst: 2:3 - Irredeamable trash, barely makes sense, and was literally just a way to get rid of shitty characters. They made too many Mary Sues in DGR2 and realized they needed some kind of plot device to get killing to happen.
1:3 - I think this is the one with the robot suit. Fuck, killing best boy of 1 Taka RIGHT AFTER HE HAD A TRANSFORMATION AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT really fucking drove me crazy. He should have survived, as much as I love Hagakure.
2:2 - Simple as fuck murder that took them 3 hours to explain. She went in, killed her, washed herself off and left. Somehow this is played out like Moriarity's greatest scheme.
1:5 - This one never felt finished. You just see the body, and then are handed a bunch of stupid clues (Hur dur there are 5 chickens, a shovel, a sprinkler system set at this time,) and then are quickly shoved into debate. Even worse, there were so many red herrings, felt like a big chekov's gun type deal. Remember the huge man-eating plant? The pick with Mondo's gang name on it? I don't get it, the whole trial was just "Waah, I don't wanna lie but I love Kirigiri so much"
Isaac Long
the game expects you to have played or read through DR1 before playing the next games DR1 was literally the introduction to the series as a whole, of course the first trail would be easy
Adrian Wright
>oh wtf the previous games were fiction? this gets me every time
Jacob Stewart
>This one never felt finished. It was literally not finished, the trial was interrupted midway and the real solution happened in case 6
Robert Morris
I'm more annoyed with the ending making everyone's actions and motivations being meaningless in the end, especially Ouma's
William Phillips
I mean more in the sense that it was rushed or changed late in development. Pace was way off, and more red herrings than any other case in the game. Even if they solve it later for a cool reveal, case 5 itself was super underwhelming
John Walker
>2:2 They spent half of the trial solving the game murder than the actual murder
Hudson Green
If you think about it it's not that much more meaningless than anyone who died in 1 or 2. All of them are fueled by some sort of misinformation, and all of them wind up in a futile position. If anything 3 had the most productive ending with alleged "societal change" happening, and the sacrifices of others resulting in the end of Danganronpa
James Flores
Does anybody replay DR games? i kinda want to replay for good characters, but, like, i already know all plots and ll endings.
Oh yeah, and you had to remember which fucking girl was GIRL A, GIRL B, and GIRL C.
That screwed me up so much, and it resulted in very little helpful info.
Carter Mitchell
I replayed DR1 and I'm surprised I still enjoy the cases despite knowing how they play out and the characters are still fun.
Camden Wright
A few years ago DR2s fansub was cancelled due to the official western release being announces, so I watched a subbed playthough. Now I kinda want to pick up the actual game.
Joseph Reed
it feels like rewatching a (very very long) show, sort of
Jonathan Cook
I watched that subbed playthrough too. I even saw a nifty playlist with it which for some fucking reason went from the investigation of case 5 straight to calling out Chiaki as the killer and I realized too late The case still was a wild ride though so it wasn't that bad.
Ryder Reed
But 1 and 2's characters aren't fabricated. Their motives and want to live weren't made out of lies. That makes the twist endings have an impact for everyone involved, even the dead ones. V3's characters were built on lies. You get a twist ending that invalidates the characters' actions all for the sake of breaking the 4th wall. It was just a really bad way to end the franchise
Ian Carter
Wrong
Aiden Richardson
In a way it seemed like an even better ending. Looking back at their old selves, they used to be calloused, suicidal, and uncaring. Even if their personalities are fake, the actions they did weren't. It's a hard pill to swallow, but if someone told me that my memories are fake, and I used to be a genonicidal maniac before they rewrote my brain, I'd be almost happy.
I dunno. Cool ending
Luis Butler
I guess I just don't like the fact that their characters were just archetypes made for a killing game rather than being genuine. That the characters we interacted with never existed in the first place. That's not even a sad/bittersweet ending like in the previous games, just a bad ending for everyone involved.
Dylan Edwards
Dangan Ronpa is actually very limiting and Kodaka had to do a 3rd wall ending because otherwise it would have just been disappointing had he done anything like the last few dangan games. If he strayed from the formula it would have been another DR3 disaster.
all the endings essentially invalidate the characters' actions >the world was fucked to begin with and you sealed yourselves >it was a simulation and the world hates you
Parker Phillips
That is the point of the twist ending, they get a shitty prize if they won. V3's twist doesn't actually end the killing game normally, it just starts another one unless you did what the characters did and destroy the game. You don't actually win anything. Which I guess was the whole point of V3 as a game to end the franchise.
Evan Taylor
1:1 is fine, the twist isn't who the killer is, it's that the character that was set up to be your Maya Fey style assistant dies and was planning to betray you.
Dominic Edwards
If you can get into lets plays and such its fun to watch others go through the games. Seeing where their logic leads and how much it differed from yours and the actual plot makes it feel like youre reliving the games
I probably wouldn't get into a youtube lets play but I enjoy watching streams of it on twitch, since its all live and you can interact with them. The reaction to the Chapter 1 twist in V3 is always a fun one
Asher Ramirez
The ending is kino but the discussions about it were so bad that it killed my interest in the series entirely for like a year. Well, it doesn't help that there's no new actual content either.
Jayden Campbell
>Not sure if people's panties are in a bunch because it implies that the previous games "didn't really happen," my assumption is that V3 took place in an alternate universe where DR was a game franchise Where V3 took place is irrelevant. The salt about the previous games being "not real" is retarded and missing the exact point. The whole point of Shuichi struggle at the end is to show that even if fictional, their lives still matter. All of Danganronpa, all of anime/game/whatever medium is fictional to us, but yet we still can care and emphatize with that fiction.
Danganronpa can end yes, but I want more of it's formula. Murder mysteries are fun, the gameplay of the class trials are very fun, the presentation I love it, masafumi takada's music, I fucking love it.
Since if was sort of a tutorial I think it was fine. As have mentioned above, the Funhouse one from DR2 was probably the worst, because as always, they try to solve irrelevant "mysteries" first, instead of pointing out obvious lies. Considering rooms in DR1 being soundproof was kind of a big deal and brought up several times, making it a key point in that trial was a mistake.
Wyatt Hall
the fans have to carry it on. I wish they'd release the fucking engine for it so we can go to town. Or make the engine into a mario maker type clone.
It's incredible how people stop caring about the characters the second they are revealed to have fake personalities Same about the series >wtf this series of videogames is fictional in it's own universe? this changes everything!
Hunter Harris
I have, but who knows when that'll be out, and for now literal kids killing each other, I dunno might get butchered to hell and back trying to make it's way here.
Daniel Anderson
Is there any other form of media that recently came out that made brainlets truly show their true forms? It actually baffles me how people missed this point.
What's the status on that kill/cure youtube series thing.
Dominic Price
>You only did not like the ending because you didn't understand it. The ending was shit, but I wonder why some people think that it can be somehow misunderstood, considering that they tell you several times exactly what happened in previous games. Or is it supposed to be clever how they show you "All characters are fictional" every time you start the game, and then you realise that they are fictional in their universe as well?
Jordan Perez
Kill/Cure ironically is on a hiatus before it even started because creator has some problems he doesn't want to reveal.
Jason King
Well that fucking sucks, probably VA related, all I can think of.
Levi Barnes
>but I wonder why some people think that it can be somehow misunderstood Because the average idiot who complains about the ending 90% of the time didn't understand it and it shows in their complaints? >Kodaka literally insulted the players! >it's all fake? wow then it's meaningless >characters are fake? I don't care about them now, they can die >man DR1 and DR2 sure had actually good endings unlike V3
Cooper Ortiz
I mean, from quality fanmade projects there's also Danganronpa Rebirth.
Mason Parker
Is that something finished or?
Jeremiah Williams
Youtube shit is cancer and literal trash. The talent that originally made DR not suck are moving on to bigger things. If spike chunsoft does try their hand at it with new blood it will have a high likely-hood of being garbage.
Luis Sanders
They currently released Daily Life for Chapter 2 and Part 1 of Class Trial. I think Part 2 releases soon. (Chapter 1 is available only in audio form)
Kevin Harris
>The talent that originally made DR not suck Who was that?
Ian Jackson
>if you have a different opinion than me then you're a b-b-brainlet1!!
Juan James
talen(plural) kodaka, the madman komatsuzaki rui based artist masufumi the slapping composer if you have people trying to chanel thse geniuses it'll end up half baked
Brayden Parker
I never said that though? If you unironically think any of those are legit complaints from someone who understood the ending then you are an actual brainlet who didn't understand a very basic ending
Leo Collins
Eugh
Nathan Johnson
based and redpilled
Dominic Taylor
These 3 *are* Danganronpa, it's not DR without them.
I'm with you on this one OP. I was told by a bunch of people that the ending was garbage but when I actually finished it, I loved it. Regarding your assumption that V3 took place in an alternate universe where it grew is nice, but it could also be that Tsumugi tried to copy someone else, as it was implied in the game (which Shuichi caught onto, but was unable to mention).
Who really knows, honestly? I fucking liked it, I think people are just butthurt about the ending and how it was "hurr-durr look, 4th wall breaking to the MAX xdddd" but I don't fucking mind it. It's just good, stupid fun. And it succeeds in that.
Usually people who call 3-5 a fuckup are massive Komaeda fans who get angry that Kokichi tried to "dethrone" the best case in the series.
Christopher Scott
3-5's whole premise is held on the fact that the mechs have voice changers, which they have absolutely no reason to. It wouldn't be that bad if they at least established it beforehand, but they didn't. Maki trying to kill everyone without any reaction from them is also pretty bad.
Ayden Robinson
>What did you guys think about the ending of the game?
fucking bullshit that undermined the entire series
Jace Bell
It felt like he was lying just because "I don't fucking trust anyone" even when it shits up his survival chances. Chapter 5 had a lot of things going Kokichi's way, like Miu's inventions with made Miu a plot device, a hostage, and the Exisals, and his first plan still got blown wide open with one flashback light. >Maki trying to kill everyone without any reaction from them is also pretty bad. That too.
Ryder Butler
>voice changers I guess it was reasonable that an advanced piece of tech had something like that, but yeah, it came so suddenly.
Gabriel Parker
Being an antagonistic piece of shit who keeps pissing off any allies and then suddenly backtracking when it gets you killed isn't smart.
Jacob Long
I'm a Komaeda fanboy, I'll admit that much, but never once was I mad that he tried to "dethrone" the best case in the series. In fact, I love 3-5 exactly because of that. I like to think Kokichi joined Team Danganronpa because he was inspired by Komaeda, due to the fact he was a jokester and kept this in his mind, although unconsciously. That's just me being fucking stupid and imagining things though.
That's fair, it came out of nowhere, yeah, but I don't really mind that. Does that point (and Maki, as well) really make the whole Chapter that bad? There's more going for it than against it, imo.
That's true, Chapter 5 did have a lot of things going Kokichi's way, but I felt like this wasn't exactly a problem because you're starting to wonder where all this leads up to, at least I did when I was playing.
I dunno, I guess overall I just really enjoyed it, but I can turn away from the negatives. I'm not saying it's all sunshine and rainbows, but the downs of it don't really mess with me.
>entire plan is based around Monokuma just giving up on the killing game >entire plan is based around Monokuma not telling everyone else that he is the mastermind >entire plan is based around making everyone hate him, kidnap the husbando of the ULTIMATE ASSASIN and hope nothing goes wrong
>if we hide who died and who was the killer, we can force the trial to vote for a person who already died and ruin Monoku- >wait why is the not-mastermind calling for a voting time >fuck And then Monokuma proceeds to hint towards the video being untrustworthy, blowing Kokichi's plan to smithereens.
Brayden Gonzalez
2-2 is a fucking amazing case, what are you on? It's one of the few cases where the person's talent is actually relevant to the killing (or escape, in this case) and cleverly subverted our expectations with the Sparkling Justice shit.
Bentley Evans
Komaeda's luck was established and made sense in universe. Cmon.
Oliver Baker
>thinking that a nebulous concept such as luck being a talent can be established or make sense Cmon
Andrew Lee
What exatly doesn't make sense? And it was established, see 2-1 and the russian roulette.
Evan Jackson
Nagito actually made it work by deliberately goading them into action instead of making them mope in their dorms and waiting for the mastermind to act. The only bit that required his "luck" was the poison fire extinguisher.
Justin Jackson
You mean like in the first case and the Final Dead Room, and how he describes it in his FTEs?
Bentley Reed
It's perfectly fine to complain about Kokichi's plan being absolutely retarded Meanwhile Nagito had 1/6 odds of winning and he had already won with worse odds during 2-1 and with the same odds in 2-4 If you want to complain, complain about Naegi's luck asspulling Alter Ego back from the dead Also >series where a talented programmer can make a self-aware AI in a couple days on a shity laptop >complain about lucky character being lucky retard
DR3 ruined Komaeda when he fucked up the lives of 3 people just because he didn't want to take a test.
Nathan Brown
>V3>2>1 You're right on the money
V3 got shat on because FICTION____/spoiler] but it had the best ending of the three games and it was a perfect way to end the series on a great message >Being a fan is cool, but wanting exactly the same thing for X episode is the best way to have stale stories. Kodaka dabbed on the autists by burning everything to the ground and that makes it even better from a meta point of view.
Kevin Smith
The ending was cool. But it sucked how it took 4 hours and 1 of them was the characters in disbelief and denying shit. Thats the general problem with dr3. The cases are all way to long and theres a lot of uninteresting moments. Dr1 is to short with each being under an hour, dr3 is to long at 3+ hours, and dr2 is just right, a comfy 1-2 hours
Aaron Peterson
There is no way that DR2 trials took that little time. It felt like some of them went on for absolutely forever.
Austin Perez
>sacrifices Gonta and kills Miu not a whole week ago >nuh uh, I hate killing it makes me sick The writers clearly didn't know what to do with him beyond being a superficial Komaeda knockoff.
Jace Ortiz
They did man thats how it was...the only one that went longer was chapter 6 and most teetered on the 2 hour edge, a little below or under. Its dr3 that takes forever
Juan Jenkins
>dr2 is just right, a comfy 1-2 hours Even the trials themselves take more than 2 hours
Noah Flores
Yes, DRV3 trials took a good while but they didnt feel like they dragged on as much.
Landon Butler
>most teetered on the 2 hour edge, a little below or under. Its dr3 that takes forever did you rush the damn trials, because the shortest one takers over 2 hours youtube.com/watch?v=kRUjGAMupDw
James Rivera
It didn't feel that long compared to the V3 trials.
Blake Davis
Maybe i got it wrong then. Maybe its dr2 thats 2-3 and dr3 is constantly 3-4. Because the first hour is always painting one person in a corner, then the next hour is proving how they are not. Then the midway break point. Then finally you start to solve the case. The last hour is the killer breaking down and saying forever how they didnt do it. Same syndrome as persona 5, everything is needlessly bloated compared to the previous games. Every case needs to have a fake out thats pushed for an hour, and needs to end with the killer denying it...
Alexander Howard
Disgusting artstyle. Are they trying appeling to degenerates?
Jack Wilson
The only really bad contradiction I know of involving the 4th wall is when Keebo has you "remedy the situation". Since you're deciding with a controller and then Keebo says the audience told him to remedy the situation, you're led to believe that you're the audience. You're not supposed to be the audience though, the people in the world that watches 53 seasons of Danganronpa are the audience.
They weren't fictional characters when they auditioned. They're real people. The "fictional" character stuff really specifically refers to their identities.
v3's ending thematically fit the series, it fit the series constant urge to be weird and audacious, it was foreshadowed in a few clever ways (monokubs in particular), and I respect the devs for having the balls to do something that controversial. v3 had some disappointing aspects but the ending isn't one.
>I like to think Kokichi joined Team Danganronpa because he was inspired by Komaeda, due to the fact he was a jokester and kept this in his mind, although unconsciously. That's just me being fucking stupid and imagining things though. Mate I've seen more crazy theories and they were made by serious people. Not even fucking kidding. There is literally a theory peddled by the fucking girlfriend of the DR Abridged Thing guy about Kokichi in the games being raped by his twin brother who is the real mastermind
Jason Rodriguez
2-3
simply because no matter how you looked at it, it was blatantly clear that only mikan couldve done it. the game was literally screaming this
I don't like the fact that almost all the backstory they set up was just thrown out for "muh fiction". At least 1 and 2's foreshadowing all worked together towards the final realization, V3 spent half the time meandering around spouting pointless bullshit and the only important bits were a couple throwaway lines by the cubs.
Chase Sanders
Tsumugi lied about the world. We see the prolouge first hand, none of the characters know what happened. The only version that they were happy were in tsumugi's retelling of events. We know she's the villian and she wanted to make a real life danganronpa so she has a reason too.
I don't know why this fanbase wants to believe the villian, even when her last words were iffy as fuck
William Smith
>UNNECESSARY WRONG the seesaw murder redeemed a shitty case
pretty based opinion but I wish they'd have gone balls deep with the 4th wall bullshit, but they still backpedaled in the end. Still, V3 was my personal GOTY and it was a brilliant way to end the series for good (though I'd love to play a V2 spin-off or something)
My sense playing it for the first time was confusion with how that backstory was supposed to fit with previous games. Stuff about meteors, disease, an arc spaceship, it felt scattered, like throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. Beyond the gameshow's endings merits on its own, I think it was also a better resolution than following through with that backstory.
Henry James
What's funny is that if he didn't commit the 2nd murder he would have won the trial and sent a whole bunch of "friends" to his sister in one go.
Landon Sanders
But then he would be sending Miu.
Jaxson King
>how that backstory was supposed to fit with previous games Because it explicitly wasn't, V3 was supposed to have nothing to do with any previous entry.
>play through 1 >find it interesting enough till the end >play through 2 >be miserable all the way through >play through 3 >be miserable all the way through Why did I even bother with this shit
Elijah Bailey
nice filename faglord
Josiah Turner
Nope, she's pure and objectively the best Dangan girl to wife. Anime brainwashing doesn't change that.
Asher Edwards
It's a drawing
Samuel Murphy
A reminder that danganronpa fans are fucking retarded
You're both referring to the playthrough made by TheLifeLikeTextube. He did a really great job and it will always be the official localization in my mind. I wish he continued doing V3. I also want to ask him how he did to implement/edit in the translated text in such a good manner, at first I wasn't even aware that it was a fan translation and thought the English patch was around somewhere on the internet. Good times
You can't disagree with facts you retard, all pre-release information says it was supposed to be a separate continuity with no references to the rest of the series, whether that was just Kodaka lying or he rewrote something along the lines doesn't change that fact.
Carson Anderson
And Maki.
Lincoln Hall
>UDG >better than anything I didn't even read your post, your opinion is irredeemable garbage.
Joseph Young
It's shit because not only is the ending trash, the final chapter is also trash After concluding that Tsumugi is the actual chapter 1's murderer, the game literally turns into a fucking sitcom with *laughter tracks*
Thomas Kelly
But especially Miu.
Asher Anderson
But Maki's a cold-blooded murderer, I'd say she would make a worse friend for his sister.
Wyatt Williams
>a separate continuity with no references to the rest of the series >you still believe a marketing gag when DR1 and 2 sprites are literally in the game
Jacob Turner
>Peko anywhere but F tier >mukuro a character that's in the game for all of 1 chapter and some shitty what-if story in S there's more wrong with your chart but those are the two most glaring ones.
Korekiyo's also a murderer and he only said she didn't have enough love, meanwhile he pretty much didn't want Miu.
Owen Jackson
SUPPOSED to be, fucking retard. No one's denying what we did get.
Thomas Gutierrez
it still bothers me that Korekiyo could have easily killed a girl in the first chapter and get away with it, that was fucking retarded since he was a literal serial killer
Jaxon Gray
You’re on the threshold of an amazing adventure
Brody Cook
Brainwashing was in the anime as well. In fact, that was the whole point of 2's story. You are the bad guys who are undergoing brainwashing to be good guys.
Juan Brooks
Best track in any of the games.
Isaiah Thomas
>SUPPOSED to be, fucking retard >my misinformed, prerelease opinion is canon everyone's opinions should form around you absolute sperg
Charles Watson
Oh my goodness, are you being retarded on purpose?
Camden Mitchell
He didn't have his equipment.
Tyler Ramirez
It's been years since I played DR1 (PSP fan translation) maybe it's time to go back
Aiden Rivera
ONE
Henry Anderson
3-5 was too easy to figure out. And didn't felt like the pinnacle Kino moment like 1-5 or 2-5
I knew how much I cared for Aoi when I felt pure despair at her fake death in DR3. Only Mahiru in DR2 invoked a similar feeling.
Josiah Bennett
The ending was really good, and even though I respect that everyone has their own opinions, I kinda think that most people who hate V3's ending didn't get it.
Bitch please, if Kaede planned on killing someone with a shot-put ball then Korekiyo could certainly have found a way to kill as well.
Cooper Bennett
>the reactions on Yea Forums when that happen God what a fucking beautiful train wreck
Jaxon Ramirez
What the fuck even happens in 1-5 that is hype? The mystery of the case isn't even solved until 1-6, and Makoto's "sacrifice" for Kirigiri is immediately negated because she saves him from the garbage heap like 5 minutes later. 1-4 was much more hype with Sakura's manly sacrifice and Togami finally switching sides.
Jonathan Garcia
I was disappointed that when I heard it being called a school for delinquents, only a couple of them actually were. I was hoping for everyone having some sort of criminal record as a theme, but whatever. The ending is fine. There's nothing that actually PROVES Danganronpa didn't happen. Even the characters aren't completely sure if the previous DRs were real or not at the end.
Mason Ward
I vaguely recall hearing that school for delinquents thing was a mistranslation but I'm not sure.
Elijah Gomez
>school for delinquents It was always a school for juveniles. I can understand the confusion, but the word juvenile doesn't mean the same as delinquent.
Evan Miller
No but clearly you are
Christian Myers
>Even the characters aren't completely sure if the previous DRs were real or not at the end. I hate that a mystery game ends with literally no concrete answers, every question is just swept under the rug with "maybe Tsumugi was lying?" Kodaka is a hack.
Wyatt Peterson
Everything relating to Ikusaba, finding the bloody classroom and so on
Lucas Parker
This. 1-5 felt like a waste of a chapter. Just a stepping stone into 1-6 with no real pay-off.
Luis Rivera
I had a similar experience. Was thoroughly enjoying the game and its characters but thought the entire Gopher plotline was the stupidest backdrop for a storyline by far. When Chapter 5 slapped Hope's Peak and SPACE into the mix I started bracing myself for an absurdly shitty Chapter 6 reveal involving aliens, human cloning farms, and/or time travel. "It was all fake" was the best ending I could've hoped for.
Elijah Martinez
He really wanted it to be the seesaw trick though.
Charles Ross
But it wouldn't have been utsukushi. He also had to spend time evaluating all the females to see which ones would be good friends for his sister.
I was legit excited and then mad when Kokichi was on the floor in the hall. I thought they had gone for the triple. It could have been amazing.
Jonathan Martinez
>Not even fucking kidding. There is literally a theory peddled by the fucking girlfriend of the DR Abridged Thing guy about Kokichi in the games being raped by his twin brother who is the real mastermind What the actual fuck? How the fuck? Just... What?
Charles Peterson
As good as 1-4 was thematically, that and 1-5's lack of a culprit to catch means the first game only has three actual murders to solve, plus the final trial.
Jose Green
2017 and 2018 must have been a fucking ride as far as speculations went. A shame I missed out on two years of crazy discussions but it was worth it for getting to experience V3 completely blind.
Austin Gutierrez
The answer to all of these questions is yes. A friend of her was even a theoryposting Kokichifag in /drg/ once who got blown the fuck out. By /drg/ of all places.
Ryder Mitchell
I played 1 and the first two cases of V2. Should I finish it? I like murder, but the high school drama shit is completely uninteresting
Wyatt Ross
The multiple "V3 was VR so students never died" theoryfags made 2017 the DR shitpost year.
Logan Ortiz
I'd say at least finish 2 and if you don't like the whole social aspect just ignore the free time and go to sleep.
Gabriel Ortiz
You could just do the story and skip the FTEs. Honestly, it depends on how much you liked the first one because 2 is more of the same.
Jaxson Jones
What am I missing out on by not doing the free time?
Luis Price
i've been in the mood to create more DR characters in firepro, but i'm unsure of who to do next, so far i've made and uploaded
some other characters i listed are already on the workshop in pretty good forms, but others have never been made.
Bentley Taylor
But it IS better than the anime, atleast UDG doesnt ruin the overall story.
Dominic Russell
Backstory for characters and abilities that rarely matter
Wyatt Reyes
Why are Kokichifags so cancerous?
Josiah Collins
fujos
Alexander Bennett
Is there even evidence of him having a brother? I have to wonder what Kokichi did to attract such retards.
Jeremiah Price
>Is there even evidence of him having a brother? A line in an FTE with Kaede. That's it.
Joseph Gray
The ending is great, the people who are upset about it are literal brainlets who think it matters that already fictional games are fictional in-universe.
Logan Rogers
Maybe it happened before the localization was released. That's usually a good time for half-baked theories from diehard fans who follow the Japanese release to start flying around.
>I have to wonder what Kokichi did to attract such retards. Be the Nagito of the game.
Oliver Price
Nagito was legit insane though. Kokichi is the "I was just pretending to be retarded" character of Danganronpa.
Mason Rogers
I don't like weeb games but I just want to say that Danganronpa sounds like a Tibetan clerical rank. Is it?
William Martin
Play it and find out.
Jayden Wright
Because he's not just a homo, he's a shota homo. Two cancerous fanbases for the price of one.
Camden Allen
I just don't really care for metashit
Justin Foster
>didn't deserve that Yes, he did
Sebastian White
Are Ouma fujos somehow deluding themselves into thinking he wasn't 100% responsible for his own death?
Lucas Russell
No he didn't, he deserved worse for being such an awful character.
Adrian Fisher
>Marie Sue cast I don't think you know what that means
Brayden Johnson
Despair disease
Jonathan Bailey
Can I just be sad for a moment about soda? Dude actually felt like a person but his entire character got fucking devoured by wanting to fuck the blonde even though it was clear she wanted four hamster dicks in her at once. I still like him but he’d be so much more likable without that aspect of his personality.
I watched the anime when it got released, them played the first game when it got released on Steam, it was such a chore knowing everything, and the games takes so fucking long. Never had this problem with other VNs
Carter Baker
plus the murder weapon used to kill Hiyoko is never discovered or discussed. Mikan's freakout was pretty good though, also foreshadowing the twist with her remembering was good. Case sucked though.
He got stuck as the comic relief character and it ended up getting annoying.
Leo Parker
Do we know what type of game that will be?
Jason Long
>it's the ouma chapter, therefore it's good There are not only people that couldnt care less about him but that also found the trial a lackluster in terms of mystery. I personally was more amused by chapter 6's trial more, despite the chater being meh, since the survivors bring the quality down for none of them being charismatic or interesting, except for saihara.
She came with a plan to kill two people, but couldnt come up with another plan that didnt require her to act so obviously suspicious and out of character
Julian Long
Hajime was Izuru. I think the one who fucked the corpse was either Mikan or TeruTeru.
Blake Reed
Hajime is Izuru. He's the culprit in case 6.
Aiden Jackson
Mikan didnt fuck the corpse, she implanted Junko's womb on herself
Ayden Edwards
>They were all fucked up this bad >In DR3 everyone is fine minus Nagito who has a cyborg arm
Mikan too OP.
Caleb Lee
>fucked the corpse Never understood this. Junko was SPALTED, what is there to fuck?
Juan Thomas
It was Kodaka turning the edge up to 11 to release his inner teen. The logic behind it doesn't need to make sense.
Levi Evans
You might as well ask yourself how come Nagito had Junko's hand in perfect state.
John Smith
Yeah it was this. The corpse fucking was mistranslation. Also how was Junko not completely crushed.
Gavin Rogers
That was the worst part of DR3. I wanted the old Despairs to come back rehabilitated, but horribly mangled and physically scarred to show what they'd gone through. Literally nothing was lost between the presumed horrors of Ultimate Despair and the ending for Side: Hope.
The worst part about his death is that there were sadder deaths in the game regardless of ways or method but since he's the fan favorite, everyone is having their biased opinion regarding his death. Dude got turned into pancake but at the very least left something useful to help in the mystery, was ok with dying and was remembered after. Meanwhile you had, a victim that was ok with dying for feeling helpless, also had a brutal death as well and was forgotten in their fucking trial only to people cheer for their killer because fuck consequences and in the other chapter, a big guy that got tricked into killing someone and somehow didn't threw shit for ouma's side because he should have done it.
Camden Gonzalez
Kodaka just forgot. It wouldn't be that she was completely smashed
Mason Campbell
You rub your dick in the entrails, haven't you ever fucked a crushed person before?
Lucas Barnes
This has never been proved true. Stop saying this.
Carson Bell
>Kodaka just forgot How the fuck do you forget such a big moment as the execution of the main villain?
Carson Cox
Same. Nagito just conveniently getting a robot hand too
Nolan Cook
Nobody fucked any corpse. They attempted to surgically attach Junko's womb to someone. It's presumed it was Mikan, because she'd be the only UD capable of just being able to grab chunks of a squished corpse and even try to attempt that.
David Davis
Every screen in matches up with one of the survivors present at that point, why would one of them suddenly be someone else not there? Grey guy was obviously Hajime/Izuru.
Carson Reed
He is so tiny
Jose Evans
Why would Izuru fuck a corpse with a look of anguish on his face?
Adrian Brooks
Her retarded plot killed my favorite. I hate her for that.
Jack Wilson
Because he can't believe he's fucking such a boring dead bitch.
Cameron Foster
>one of the survivors present at that point So who are the center two? The one at the top is very clearly a fucking monokuma looking at two prisoners, who could be fucking anybody, and the bottom lines up with nothing and nobody beyond it being a bloody room with someone shirtless. The left one you could vaguely call Soda, but there's nothing to support that either. The only ones that look even kind of like actual UD's are the rightmost two. The other three are conjecture at best.
Isaac Nguyen
The one on the left always seemed obviously Souda to me. The one in the middle I saw as possibly being Sonia executing her parents, ending the royal family or some shit.
Leo Nguyen
The top are supposed to be Sonia's parents that she handed over to Junko for "lol, despair".
I read somewhere that it was Teruteru killing his parents. But he's not a survivor but if it was it makes chapter 1 seem harsher if he did kill his mom
Juan Adams
Based Shuichi
Aaron Thompson
Sonia is not unique in the whole "I handed my parents over for Despair" thing, and it's implied that this happens to sever the hopes of people who are drawn into it. It's actually a tool used against the party as early as 2-1, since that's what fucks up Teruteru so much and causes him to lose his mind.
Justin Sanders
>Teruteru killing his parents You see what his mom looks like and it's clearly not the woman in the top picture
Sebastian Morales
But she is unique in that she's one of the final 5 survivors.
1 was the best of the mainline games. Didn't shit the bed in so many instances like 2 did. The characters weren't dindu'd to hell and back and actually stayed dead. The killing game, while not as complex, wasn't contrived to high and heaven.
Nathaniel Parker
You can't just look at 2/5 looking similar and presume that this answers for the remaining 3/5, and also going off of a bad dub translation of the scene.
They were showing that they did everything they could to inflict despair upon the world and themselves. They killed people surrounding them, they killed their loved ones, they starved and mutilated themselves, they replaced parts of their bodies with Junko's, and one of them even attempted to use that to create a child of despair. The whole point of the scene was that they destroyed everything, both of their own, of others, and their own bodies, and that of their idol, because all of it would bring about more and more horrible despair to the world and themselves. Fuyuhiko clearly tried to replace his eye with Junko's, we already know Nagito replaced his hand, and in the original Japanese, they said that one of them replaced their organs with Junko's to attempt to reproduce.
Hudson Taylor
>Expecting a murder in 1-5
This was actually an organic part of the killing game. Sakura's sacrifice made it so that nobody would keep killing so Junko had to break her own rules and cheat to keep up the illusion. 1-5 is just half of 1-6
Thomas Morris
I'm earnestly convinced that anybody who thinks 1 was the best has zero understanding of the setting, the themes of the games, or the nature of the killing games. Anybody who thinks that it's supposed to be a matter of (dis)trust is probably someone coming clean off of AA and thinks that they're a detective. It'd also explain why you faggots love Baconhands so much.
>What did you guys think about the ending of the game? Hated it. Meta for the sake of being meta and if felt like a huge tantrum from the director as that was his last Dangan. It's a parallel universe though so it literally didn't matter at all.
Elijah Peterson
Imagine being the ultimate analyst and still getting fucked over so hard.
>2/5 looking similar Nigger who else wears a beanie like the dude on the left?
Jose Scott
I agree about ryoma but what makes him so powerful in comparison to other victims is that there wasn't any victimization from narrative for his death. That last trial moment was fucking bad though, yeah. regardless of reasons, not everyone had to agree about giving up their lives to the killer and she had to face the consequences of her action one way or another, ouma pretty much pointed this out. It only left a bitter taste about kirumi and even ryoma's characters.
Gonta's trial on the other hand was overly dramatic. That's why I reached a point that I wasnt moved by it emotionally. Nearly everyone, specially kaito, was defending him for being a pure boy that could no wrong. As much as I think he got what he deserved since he wasnt completely manipulated by kokichi, as he had the will to kill, he should have throwed a bus over ouma but he didn't because he's a gentleman.
Carson Stewart
>I'm earnestly convinced that anybody who thinks 1 was the best has zero understanding of the setting, the themes of the games, or the nature of the killing games Could you elaborate, just out of curiosity?
Jose Nguyen
Who in the cast is wearing a polo with sleeves and jeans like the dude on the left? Who else has a confirmed uzi like the dude on the left? Does Fuyuhiko have a noteworthy peach fuzz on his baby face? I didn't know Sonia was a teddy bear. Izuru/Hajime was bald?
Landon Rodriguez
>there wasn't any victimization from narrative for his death What do you mean?
Dominic Thompson
>>I'm earnestly convinced that anybody who thinks 1 was the best has zero understanding of the setting, the themes of the games, or the nature of the killing games
i 100% agree with you, but i'm curious to what your reasoning is.
Julian Collins
You are aware those images are supposed to be them at least 2-3 years after they left high school, right? Of course Fuyuhiko should be growing a slight beard at that point, until 3 came along and retconned everything so they look the literal exact same as they did before they became despairs except for Fuyu's eyepatch and Komaeda's arm because they were too lazy to make good designs.
Liam Price
He wasn't remembered after and in the same trial was forgot for his killer's manipulative speech. All the other characters were either remembered (tenko, angie, kaede) or left anything worth (aka plot devices) that would be remembered (miu and ouma)
Brayden Reed
The entire game series is a (very cheesy) engagement between those who would fight against unknowable odds towards an uncertain, but attainable future, or those who would break down and bring everybody around them low because of their immediate concerns and lack of attention to what is surrounding them. The former is represented by Hope, which weathers the storm no matter what because at some point, the storm will pass and there will be a reason to have struggled through it. The latter is represented by Despair, who willingly let themselves be carried by the storm because either they are unwilling to see it through to the end (those who are tormented and dragged through into it), or they are disinterested in the sunrise that follows (Junko, the original UD's), or worse, those who are simply enamored by whatever damage the storm brings and seek to make it worse (Monaca).
The first game's primary themes involve matters of distrust and fear because that's the easiest way to drive people away from each other and it makes the matters of breaking them so much more simple. However, those who made it to the end were those who fought together, solved the murders amid the chaos that ensued, and were willing to suffer whatever terrors Junko had left for them in favor of moving towards that uncertain future left in the wake of all of the despair.
The second game was far more blatant with it, where they were trying so many experimental ways to force the hands of the cast. In essentially every case short of 2-2 (which is almost universally panned), the cast had their hands forced and committed a murder either out of fear of information that had no right to being exposed to in a natural killing game, or were outright pressed to do so, or everybody would die. The cast of DR2 earnestly had no desire to kill each other, and it's clear they were all leaning towards Hope at the end of the day, Nagito especially (as negative as his outlook wound up being)
I got DR recommended after playing a bunch of AA and 1 is still one of my least favourites.
Jacob Sanders
>I'm earnestly convinced that anybody who thinks 1 was the best has zero understanding of the setting, the themes of the games, or the nature of the killing games.
No that'd actually be the other way around. The appeal of Danganronpa's killing games is seeing what it takes to motivate otherwise decent people to murder, how well it does this, how well they go through with the attempt.
DR1 does this best, because the atmosphere is strongest and the motivations are general. Whereas with DR2/3 we have shit ultimatums that absolutely force a murder like "Kill or die" right off the bat or "starve or die". And in cases where it's not so direct, the games target specific characters to murder. Like 2-2 was never going to have anyone but Peko/Fuyuhiko pull off a kill.
I don't care 1 iota about Kirigiri and consider her the most detrimental part of DR1, but you have no right to talk when Komaeda (based that he is) was far worse of an attention-whore.
Easton Murphy
>kaede she got so much pandering that i forget she wasn't the victim. But rantaro would fit the second group anyways.
Jose Smith
>until 3 came along and retconned everything so they look the literal exact same as they did before they became despairs except for Fuyu's eyepatch and Komaeda's arm because they were too lazy to make good designs. Another good reason to just disregard 3 as a non-canon fever dream that doesn't make any sense.
>He wasn't remembered after and in the same trial You could say similar things about Kiyotaka and Hiyoko from the previous games, though I guess those had the excuse of not being the only murder in the chapter.
Xavier Sanders
>Y-YOU DON'T GET IT. Lol. I'm sure you bring reasons why the other 2 are better. Others can bring reasons why they aren't.
DR2 has the biggest structural flaws of all the games. And suffers the hardest retroactively after DR3.
V3 suffers by association of the other 2 games. The murders are a rehash of all the others, showing Kodaka's failure to liberate himself from its predecessors. Go the "it was planned that way because Fiction" route and it still doesn't change that it was straight up bad. I don't even mind the ending as much as so many do but the formula was ass. Did we really need to see another nonsensical double murder? Did the bara character have to die in chapter 4 etc etc
Jayden Reed
That's not true. It was partly him sacrificing himself that made the other characters agree to let Hirumi go.
Benjamin Nelson
This is why it all comes to a head in DRV3, where the entire cast are given very loose motives to kill each other, but the knowledge that their freedom is assured while their only alternative is death is the thing that drives everybody except Seesaw Trick, who was just a nut to actually kill. 3-1 was a murder out of absolute necessity. 3-2 was a murder out of a desire to escape and fix the world. 3-3 was a matter of involvement of a major chunk of the party to erase some of the damage caused by 3-2, as well as keep everybody safe and secure. 3-4 was right after Gonta was, once again, dragged into the state of hopelessness by being forcibly injected outside information he had no right to have, as well as 3-5. 3-6 was quite literally the ultimate equivalent of this, because the party was no longer just fighting for "Hope", but rather the future that they themselves represented. They didn't care about the killing game, they didn't care about the stakes, they didn't care about anything other than knowing how much they mattered and how hard they would work towards the future that ensued. Tsumugi attempted to break them with the revelation that they could all literally have not even existed in the first place, and their existence therefore would be purposeless. But the whole point is that even if they are entities of fiction, there is true value in their existence, as it means they were at some point alive and experienced a life.
These themes are paper-thin in DR1, thick in DR2, and complete in DRV3. People who come here for "Hurr durr murder investigator" aren't quite capturing the reason why this is a game about exotic murders and superpowered teenagers in a chaotic world. It's all about your willingness to push through and survive, move forward, and lay the path to the future, rather than succumb and simply let things fall apart at the first sign of pressure.
That shit annoys me so much. Just what the fuck is the point of that repeating pattern? In DR2 it could be seen as misdirection as even pointed out by Nagito that maybe there is a meaning behind the similiarities to the first game. But in the third one there is no reason for that pattern to keep going.
Luke Fisher
she still wanted everyone to die for her. That's when she failed
Adam Jones
He wasn't close to any of the survivors. So him being remembered was not gonna happen. Like Kiyotaka or Hiyoko as the other user said.
Adrian Hughes
She couldn't escape her punishment either way. It was over as soon as the votes were cast. The important thing that the rest of the cast took away from the trial is that she struggled to survive until the very end.
Brayden Harris
>People who come here for "Hurr durr murder investigator" >People who come in for the premise of Danganronpa are wrong Fucking retard.
Jace Garcia
yes but I am saying that this is exactly what makes him unique and not ruin the weight of his drama. Rantaro for example died in chapter 1 but was brought up later as a plot device
I don't completely disagree with you. You're correct that the themes of each game get stronger. However...themes are only one aspect of Danganronpa and are background motivators. Stuff like the killing game? Characterization? The technical factors? Also matter. To assert that the most overt draw in that pervades the majority of the game, is irrelevant, is utterly pretentious.
Cooper Cox
Not an argument. I came in to play Bloodborne because I thought it was some Victorian werewolf hunting simulator. I stayed because it's a horrific eldritch horror hunting simulator with themes of human elevation and beastial urges being tangled with a thin plot about killing some baby god that was to be. Themes and stories are different than the thing that hooked you into it.
>Stuff like the killing game? Characterization? The technical factors? You can honestly see how much each of these evolve if you pay attention to the themes.
>the killing game It's literally a means of driving those who are forced into it into despair and giving up on themselves and those around them to try and break free. Them hiding evidence and forcing an investigation and trying to deceive one another shows either that they intend to survive as long as possible or are willing to doom others for their own immediate leap off of their sanity.
>Characterization Literally every character short of Junko wants to do something good for the sake of their future, and aims towards growing as an individual. Even Izuru, who was curious about the world of Despair, was only interested in seeing what each day would bring. Their characterization is built by them willing to either sacrifice others to keep moving forward, or by being willing to band together with others to allow everybody another chance to find their way out of the problem (the killing games)
>The technical factors I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Anthony Collins
The consistent pull into danganronpa is its killing game. A massive amount of focus and direction is geared towards seeing these ultimates break and what circumstances bring about their fall. The character relationships. The tension.
How the fuck is that not an argument? You're saying as long as you have pretty messages, it doesn't matter if everything else is garbage? You'd play a video game because of its themes and dismiss trite gameplay?
James Morales
No, where is based bully poster
Noah Harris
It’s actually the academy of talents in captivity eops simply don’t know how to read
Parker Collins
>You can honestly see how much each of these evolve if you pay attention to the themes. >It's literally a means of driving those who are forced into it into despair. Bingo. And DR2/V3 are bad at this. What exactly strikes you as more authentic despair. Characters having their weaknesses preyed upon, weaknesses that could affect anyone making them have a greater degree of agency over wrongdoings....or extreme scenarios that are undeniably fabricated to affect certain individuals? To use an analogy. DR1 is Monokuma acting as a motivator to lure the students off a cliff and see them fall one by one. The other games? He just pushes them off to see it over and done with. You continue undermine this as irrelevant. I cannot understand that. A game is more than just themes. A game is more than just gameplay. A game is more than presentation. It is all of that and more. You don't get to ignore other parts because there are some you prefer, then knock others for being dissatisfied when certain elements don't deliver. That's what I mean by pretentiousness.
DR1 had a single theme, trust vs distrust. But it makes up for this with its claustrophobic setting. The mystery of being completely unaware of the purpose behind the game. The tension between characters who don't cooperate until after trial 4. And lastly are legitimate consequences that makes the victory well earned. On the reverse hand, it's incredibly vanilla compared to the others and it shows.
I think V3 has the best themes. it's characterization is also the best of the games. That alone makes it worthy of the best title. Issue is the killing game sucks the hardest so I can also see how that's counterbalanced.
The one game I can't accept as the best is DR2. Because everything is ultimately meaningless and contrived. Nearly all the themes and events in this game are shat on or made into red herrings. Nothing actually matters. The characterization is the worst oft he lot and the fundamentals are a mess.
Adrian Sullivan
I agree with this. Alot of people also felt the ending was criticizing Danaganronpa fans for enjoying such a dark franchise, but I think Shinichi just wanted to create a more empathetic world that did not need to draw hope from fiction
Aaron Morgan
>Literally every character short of Junko wants to do something good for the sake of their future, and aims towards growing as an individual. Even Izuru, who was curious about the world of Despair, was only interested in seeing what each day would bring. Their characterization is built by them willing to either sacrifice others to keep moving forward, or by being willing to band together with others to allow everybody another chance to find their way out of the problem (the killing games) Don't reduce individual motivations so generally. You make them sound like a hodgepodge/statistic whose internal struggles and pressures are irrelevant, ust because they share motivational themes. That's ridiculous.
Jaxson Sullivan
DR1 for me was better purely for the fact that the atmosphere and tone was really of a killing game, characters were wasting time grouping themselves most of the time to report anything or looking around even if it had some free events that weren't over the top at least. Even the most gimmick driven characters as hifumi and ishimaru, showed concern regarding the situation. In DRV3 , once kaede's dead, everyone splits apart and you get fanservice, characters most of the time doing cute things or killing time like they were in a vacation and over the top gimmicks. It broke the immersion of the setting way too fast. DR2 is even worse for it being on a island with vibrant colors to begin with.
Isaiah Ortiz
Go back to your containment board. Stop pushing your pseudo general here.
Jace Fisher
>Bloodborne fags are the ones who want to push the 2deep4u shit in Danganronpa threads of course.
Luke Taylor
Is the anime really that bad?
Sebastian Cruz
This. We might have pushed a smash or a sekiro thread off the catalog.
Nathaniel Carter
>the good Danganronpa trials are more fun and intense than Phoenix wright trials Spoken like a true retard
Leo Flores
Dunnno quite why, but when you get to see his video of loved ones it struck the shit out of me. Shit crushed me because it just sounded so bleak for someone who didn't even seem halfway there.
Is there anyone that genuinely think DR trials are better than phoenix wright? They have pretty colors and effects but aren't as immersive and fun
Logan Rogers
It's very sad. He had nothing to live for while Kirumi had everything.
Luis Wilson
Thank you for pointing this detail out.
Bentley Price
It really depends on the trial honestly, i'd say the average DR trial beats the average AA trial, but the Climax trials of AA beat out the climax trials of DR
Mason Fisher
For once there is actual discussion instead of blatant shitposting, piss off.
Nicholas Bennett
>previous games not being real I don't get why people are upset about this, did they think the 1 & 2 were documentaries or something?
Levi Roberts
I like them more in the sense that the stakes are higher so I am more invested. Its pretty simple but I'm a simple man.
Owen Thomas
Isn't it more probable that Hajime/Izuru banged Mikan after she transplanted Junko's womb into herself?
I'm pretty sure Izuru boned Junko during their time at HPA.
Grayson Jackson
It's because the characters are fake, it made people mad that they werent naturally interesting and that it isn't their reality, so their live experiences don't apply outside the killing game. It also makes people feel their feelings were invalid.
Oliver Gomez
>fictional characters were fake
WOAH
Landon Harris
What was Rantaro's deal anyways? Did we find out who was in his first killing game?
Ethan Reed
Somehow, revealing those games as fiction makes people believe that their efforts were for naught, kind of like "it was all a dream" endings. The thing is, most of them ignore the whole point of the ending, stating that fiction can really move hearts.
Grayson Smith
What does the anime have to do with Yea Forums?
Jayden Diaz
Only autists think this.
>i'd say the average DR trial beats the average AA trial, Thanks for proving my point.
Cameron Garcia
>Fake in-universe is the same as fake out of universe. Most readers assume what they’re reading is real in the stories universe. More layers make empathy harder. Most it’s all fake endings tend to be unpopular.
Mason Allen
I think that the game peaked too early regarding him as a victim in specific as he had a different kind of death for a change and had an active part on his own death. I waited until chapter when we had ouma with the same characteristics and also be a good victim as well.
Nolan Collins
well i am autistic, so you aren't wrong, i hope you didn't mean it as an insult because it'd have to be inaccurate to be an insult, as it is now your just stating the truth.
Jose Ortiz
Everything is fictional anyways like most video games or media. Guess they didn't like it being pointed out within a fiction media.
Henry Hernandez
>Tsumugi, the bad guy: It was all fiction! Nothing matters lmao >Shuichi, the good guy, repeatedly: Even if it's fiction, we still matter! >The audience: I can't believe the game said nothing mattered. What a shit ending.
Jace Jenkins
I meant that anyone thinking DR trials are more fun than AA trials are autistic.
Nolan Russell
Nothing, but it has to do with the games being discussed here and so I post here believing that people that played these games also watched the anime and can answer my question. Something's bothering you?
Who cares? Literally everything is fiction and V3 wanted to crash the bus by going full meta garbage. Now Danganronpa is dead and no more games are coming in game or in real life with Kodaka and his peeps gone.
Danganronpa has no future. While Persona and Ace Attorney does.
Every chapter 2 had blunt force trauma to the head except his. Why?
Christian Johnson
Take your anime discussion to /drg/ or to Stop trying to turn these threads into your pseudo general. You already have your own general back on /vg/. Go there.
Brayden Bailey
It's mostly wasted opportunities, which is what pisses off most people. You're not really improving your experience by watching it, but it can be dumb fun if you turn your brain off.
Brandon Wood
more fun as in narrative wise or gameplay wise? DR has better gameplay when its not forcing something awful like improved hangman's gambit, otherwise AA is pretty solid with its own gameplay, sometime the gimmick works (AA6) while others not so much (AA4/5)
you are right about danganronpa not really having a future, and its for the best, but what does persona have to do with this entire convosation? literally nobody mentioned persona until you brought it up.
go post in another steam vs epic thread, chinese bugman.
Liam Rivera
Kirumi smacked him on the head with the stick to knock him out. Not the cause of death, but it counts I guess.
Nolan Rodriguez
Souda is the one with the machine gun. Obviously he can build it easily. Akane starved herself. Relates to her backstory. Sonia sold her parents to Junko and can influence despair across her country. Baby gangster removed his eye. Hajime fucked the corpse, would be a new experience for a guy who's bored of everything. Not hard to figure out.
Josiah Perry
>and in the original Japanese, they said that one of them replaced their organs with Junko's to attempt to reproduce. Lies
Jackson Miller
jesus people here play the pretentious and says that others disliked the ending because they didn't understand it all the time and yet don't see how the ending was a big middle finger to most of people that actually enjoy danganronpa as this horror show and use it as a way of escapism as you are watching a bunch of teenagers with super powers in a killing game and imagining yourself as some edgy oc you created based on your teenager first world problems just like the normies counterparts of characters as way to escape reality. It's making fun of this kind of people and that's why a lot of people, specially in japan, got mad about it and hated tsumugi.
James Walker
Danganronpa had no future anyways. The whole 53 shit was taking the piss out of fans wanting a million pointless sequels and not knowing when the thing they are beating is a dead horse. Kodaka knew this before production on v3 even began.
You even have this job description from 2017 concerning something for Danganronpa.......
Matthew Perry
>DR has better gameplay Lol
Alexander Jackson
2-5 is better than any Ace attorney case
Jose Lee
>2-5 is better than any Ace attorney case Lmaoooooooooo
Liam Perry
Prove me wrong
Camden Kelly
it's a shit ending that felt like the author hated his own creation and everyone who enjoyed it
Aaron Johnson
>They weren't fictional characters when they auditioned. They're real people. The "fictional character stuff really specifically refers to their identities
Why is it so fucking hard for people to get that?
Julian James
When you read a work of fiction you usually have the mentality that the characters you're reading about are real inside their own universe. I dunno why you're having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept.
Dominic James
>B-But Terasawa literally said he'd be planting seeds in 2019 and that for next year he's thinking of things for Danganronpa's 10th anniversary He literally only meant events only. You're not getting a game and besides those events he's planning will all flop next year because nobody gives a fuck about Danganronpa anymore.
>You even have this job description from 2017 concerning something for Danganronpa...... It was either canceled since Vita is on there or it was for Zanki Zero.
Your series is over. Kodaka made sure to sink any chances of any Danganronpa content whether it be game, anime, novel, manga etc. could never be released. For me, I still have Ace Attorney and Persona along with supporting Tookyo Games so I'm good.
>Danganronpa has no future. While Persona and Ace Attorney does. Wait, are you saying that Ace Attorney getting milked for more sequels is a positive thing? Those games have mostly been shit after the original trilogy. What a weird fanboy argument to make.
Levi Wright
Why would anyone want to understand garbage?
Liam Torres
We only had 3 of those games in real life. Not our fault Kodaka is a talentless hack who kept repeating the same formula over and over again and having his series go stale so early.
Brandon Garcia
V3's themes are exactly about escapism So I am glad someone finally gets the actual message of the ending for fucking once.
Wyatt Fisher
I just want to say that I'm still angry about "Ultimate" as a translation for 超高校級 when "Super High (School) Level" had already been thought of and preserves the exact same pun in both languages.
First time I see this game having any discussion about the game itself.
Blake Sanchez
(You)
Asher Murphy
>070. Spike Chunsoft’s Yoshinori Terasawa
>2019 Keyword: Planting seeds.
>2019 seems like it will be a year to plant seeds and grow little by little. While there is not much movement at the moment, I wonder if I’ll be able to do something like make an announcement. Also, I’m thinking about events and the like for the 10th anniversary of Danganronpa in 2020.
What did they mean by this?
Jacob Phillips
i'll argue only the 6th game is better than a DR, but its alot better than a DR.
Mason Scott
At least a dead franchise has dignity.
Leo Lopez
One can only rationally consider something garbage if they actually try to understand it in someway. That's like basic human cognition user.
Lincoln Johnson
Imagine thinking that DR cases are harder than AA ones
Carson Jackson
My only guess is that they left it as "ultimate" for the sake of the dub, since leaving it as SHSL could turn into a mouthful to say at times.
Jackson Rivera
NISA absolutely butchered the localization.
Joseph Jenkins
>At least a dead franchise has dignity. >MUH DESTROYED WORLD DUE TO TEENAGER GIRL WITH AUTISM >MUH VR AND AIS >MUH BRAINWASHING ANIME >MUH FICTIONAL EVERYTHING >MUH META MEMES Yeah. Dignity. Snrk
Carson Russell
I literally fell asleep during some DR cases yet still found them pretty easy to figure out.
Blake Bennett
Yeah calling them Ultimates sound retarded because it makes them sound like they're the absolute best in the whole world at their talents which is absolutely not true since I'm sure other countries have more talented people who could BTFO of them.
Kayden Campbell
Your standards of dignity are ridiculously low.
James Butler
It is, but Danganronpa is stylistically known in Japanese FOR being overly wordy in a chuuni way. Smoothing that out in localization is misguided.
Mason Nguyen
Except Sakura who actually was the world's strongest martial artist.
Jonathan Torres
I replayed 1 because I played it first on PSP and I kinda played it somewhat on autopilot, I forgot a lot of specifics and I was planning to watch 3 the anime (did not really like it)
Turns out I kinda forgot a lot of particulars even the first killer for a moment so it was worth it.
I also periodically fire up a phoenix wright original even though I played them, after a decade or half of one you tend to not remember much of particulars from the middle of the game.
DR2 gameplay was going on for me but I forgot to finish it.
Jack Scott
It just means that Terasawa will announce something concerning Danganronpa next year to celebrate the 10th anniversary. For the 5th anniversary, we got pic related which had the DR1 and DR2 casts as playable characters. It was Japan only but still. We also got DRV3 and DR3 announcements for the 5th anniversary along with the VR demo So we(meaning only Japan) will probably get something similar next year. Maybe even some novel and manga announcements. Maybe even an phantasm carnival slice of life OVA series announcement. Maybe even some fighting game announcement. Who knows?
No she wasn't. She admitted that her boyfriend was stronger than her. Then you also have Izuru around.
Wyatt Green
You faggots will only get more of the same merch next year. Just recycled junk. That is all you're getting.
Nathan Rivera
Yeah, I think the PSP fan translation did a good job with that. It's a shame we never got DR2's fan translation.
Noah Ortiz
>my assumption is that V3 took place in an alternate universe where DR was a game franchise, like ours, that grew so large that it became this real-life phenomenon I mean, that's what it is, fiction is basically just an "alternate universe" that you can immerse yourself in. The ending of V3 doesn't make anything less (or more) valid.
Robert Bell
I think DR could benefit from a V2 light novel or something. I don't think we're getting a game though.
Blake Smith
I think we can at least all agree that metashit is never not stupid as hell.
Julian Wright
Key word. Was
He had AIDs and Izuru was literally made after Sakura got her title and nobody knew about him. Izuru is also the strongest martial artist because he has all their talents.
Ultimates aren't limited to Japan, they come from all over the world. See Sonia.
Xavier Clark
>no argument Yikes
Brandon Long
This is probably the best we could hope for next year.
>He had AIDs and Izuru was literally made after Sakura got her title He was made before she got to the school.
And the point is her boyfriend is stronger than the supposed Ultimate. She herself admits that much. Sickness is irrelevant.
Ultimates is a dumb name because they're not the best in the whole world.
James Gutierrez
Fair enough, but I enjoyed the characters because they struggled and overcame the challenges of the killing game, not because they had some cool backstory. It truly does suck that none of their backgrounds and FTE events weren't real in-universe and it turned me off doing Salmon mode for a solid week or two, but it influenced what they did in the Academy and that's the stuff I cared about the most.
Hudson Brown
>they come from all over the world Isn't Sonia pretty much the only non-Japanese Ultimate we see in the whole franchise?
Gavin Long
Get Kitayama to write it though. Or someone as good or better.
Nathaniel Brooks
I dont like meta because it allows to be used as a very lazy and fake way to add depth with the excuse of being artistic and the worst part is that people think it allows stories to have a shield from criticism because "it's there but it's speculation, left for the viewers!". It's pretty much being over used here and there now.
Charles Scott
An OVA series would mean more Lerche shit. That's a no from me.
Joseph Nguyen
>not wanting to experience the ride with Yea Forums again
Jacob Myers
I miss 2016 so much.
Jaxon Sanchez
V3 is great, I've been dragging my friends through the first game as a let's play and i can't wait for their reactions to V3's bullshit in general
People that say they didn’t like cannot explain the ending. They literally didn’t get it.
Kevin Young
Great arguments.
Hunter Nelson
Danganronpa 1 and 2 ending: There was despair but there's now hope
Danganronpa V3: There was despair and you thought there was gonna be hope because of course there will be JESUS FUCK can we just end the series please stop asking more Danganronpa we can't keep doing the same shit you fucking disgusting consumers how far are you going to take this of course everything will turn shit after too long so just let it go, it's over.
Yeah I really liked the ending, first I hated it but more I thought about it and the genuine despair I felt, gotta say that pretty good, at least it was genuinely something unique. Now go play all zero escape game except the last one.
>sequels good, no sequels bad bad sequels are one of the worst fates successful work can have. I'm amazed I even have to argue bad sequels are bad. jfc modern consumer mindset is basically corporate thinking. 'if it's not a brand currently making money, it's bad.'
Technically you are audience, but not danganronpa world audience. How many layers are you on?
Adam Young
Play zero escape.
Hunter Martinez
Not playing them takes away some of the charm (mainly deciding who to spend time with), but I see why you would want them to experience it. It's hard to discuss these games with friends, since everything past the intro is nothing but spoilers.
Christopher Harris
If DR1 and DR2 had the love hotels, which students would end up boning Makoto or Hajime?
Isaac Adams
DR1: Definitely Sayaka and Kyoko. Celeste as well but more kinky shit. Syo might bang Makoto as well. Everyone else will be pure or some neutral stuff.
DR2: Mikan and Nagito will rape Hajime like Miu raped Shuichi. Sonia and maybe Chiaki might bang him as well. Akane's will probably be lewd. Everyone else's will probably be tame or pure.
Thomas Allen
>peko's is just her gushing about fuyuhiko to hajime
James Roberts
>pic related
yeah i'd much rather a series end on what i thought was a good note, than to keep milking an IP far past its expiration date, granted MORE star wars could've worked, but not how it was handled.
Brayden Perez
That or she gets lewd and vanilla with Hajime thinking he's Fuyuhiko. Calling him young master and shit.
Julian Gonzalez
Nekomaru would do IT to Hajime until he passes out.
Charles Ramirez
Kek
Joshua Butler
that could work too.
Colton Lee
Naegi bones his two waifus. Hinata gets dicked by Komaeda.
But Junko isn't a participant so she doesn't count.
Joshua Harris
I will never be not mad. How could they buy Star Wars and not come to the conclusion that maybe, they should take it slow and make a good fucking trilogy. On star wars I'm gonna say that they could have made good sequels but perhaps it is the interesting fact that when franchises continue and the old talent and drive behind it leave, it will be carried out by shallow empty corporate entities who don't give a fuck and are ready to exploit the fans. For example, putting fans to the killing game.
Nolan Peterson
>DR1: Definitely Sayaka and Kyoko. Celeste as well but more kinky shit. Syo might bang Makoto as well. Everyone else will be pure or some neutral stuff. I think Hina would bang him too, free time Hina wanted his dick
Juan Baker
Hina x Naegi would be way too cute.
Bentley Bell
It's almost as if she wanted to be fucked over. Hmmm
Joshua Morales
Hina seems too pure for that but eh it's it could go either way
Jaxon Stewart
>If you defeat your opponents they win
Did Junko get blonde hair from her Canadian heritage?
Noah Perry
She seemed like she wanted to bang Togami more than Naegi. That's why we had the 1-4 end of class trial moment with Syo getting jealous of her blushing at Togami and then the whole bad ending with her banging Togami first. Fact it came from Naegi's imagination makes it worse.
Nathan Clark
I always thought my life was the biggest, most worst, most tragic event in human history.
What I don't get is why people find Danganronpa being over a bad thing. V3 felt like the ultimate escalation in terms of plot twists, there was no level of ridiculous above it and even then despite the finale basically being Kodaka admitting his fatigue with Danganronpa he also brings to attention that the fanbase may be relentless but they also loved the series for more than just murder and executions, otherwise this all would've just been a downer ending where Shuichi couldn't stop the show. He appreciates the love he got and made an ending that basically asked the fans to follow him in his new projects at Tookyo. You shouldn't be sad Danganronpa is over, you should be happy for the characters you bonded with and excited for what can be made in the future with Kodaka free from SpikeChunsoft's vice-like grip. Hell even if you can say this is coming out of my ass and the ending is still shit for whatever reason, that's what I took from it all and ultimately as an endcap to the series it's still way fucking better than that abortion called Danganronpa 3.
>people bitch and cry about their waifu being shown onscreen to prove the ficitonality of the danganronpa series >turn right around and demand a soulless cash grab fighter to completely tarnish the series
UDG was already a corny as fuck game, so I don't see how a fighting game would be that much worse.
Benjamin Long
Because V3 is fucking garbage.
Daniel Miller
>tfw zanki zero was made by team danganronpa
Matthew Gray
Considering the post he's replying too I think the idea is moreso crying about DRV3 revealing the series to be fiction under the idea that it somehow invalidates them as stories and then asking for a fighting game after the fact is kind of fucking retarded. So many people ragged on the ending acting like they had some deep personal connection to these stories before the twist and then wanting something that basically would have to be non-canon to make any sense. UDG at least had a decent story and Monaca's still by and large the smartest villain in the series, though that isn't saying much when Junko has gummy bears in her head where brain cells should be.
Gavin Nguyen
What does that have to do with my post user? Even if you hated V3, wouldn't that give you more cause to celebrate the series being done with?
Initially I was slightly butthurt over the fact that the other games where "invalidated", but once I realized it was fucking stupid to think that and got over it the ending still felt overly long-winded and self-indulgent. Like Kodaka thought he was real fucking smart over his try at meta-commentary and had to rub his masturbatory antics in my face.
James Brooks
>I reject hope and despair! So... what's the basis of your morality then, Shuichi???
His true hope was in believing that by laying down his own life nobody would have to suffer the despair of the killing games anymore. The Hope and Despair presented in the end were more like twisted factions constructed for the sake of entertainment. But that doesn't have as fun a ring to it as "I REJECT BOTH HOPE AND DESPAIR" now does it?
Lucas Lopez
I'm gonna be honest with you, I finished the main game but haven't done the bonus content yet. I assumed Student Raising was just that same garbage from 1 and 2 where you collect components to build shit.
Joshua Scott
That's a whole mode Salmon Run, or you can go over to the slice of life dungeon crawler where nobody is evil and they all go to school together.
>12 episode anime solely about slice of life adventures of the characters in Hopes Peak Give it to me
Parker Cox
Everyone would be. Fighting game casts aren't meant to make sense, which is why you have Phoenix Wright in MvC.
Jose Morales
I still prefer "I REJECT DANGANRONPA" to be honest, UDG ended with rejecting hope and despair already.
Isaiah Gomez
The student raising thing is a board game where you play through years of being in Hopes peak academy, watching funny scenes now and then.
Nathaniel Turner
No they added an entire second mode that barely anyone played where you build them up RPG style and fight actual retro Dragon-Quest style encounters to get lore which may explain or connect V3 to the main canon in a firmer way
It has fully written interactions between every character in the series even including some from the anime.
Jordan Clark
Just the DR1 and SDR2 cast. Fuck those V3faggots
Henry Peterson
The only shameless pandering that I want is some V3 content added to Necrodancer. Zone 5 has no DR tracks and slaying monsters to the beat as Kaede would feel so good.
Michael Morris
V3's is fairly different and pretty weird. You create an RPG party by playing a board game in an AU where everybody is just getting along, gathering stat points and such and having fun little interactions with other characters from all three games while doing so. Then once you're done with the board game, you take the resulting characters dungeon delving.
Josiah James
But V3 best cast
Mason Rogers
Talent plan proved that the three casts go well together.
Jonathan White
I've been trying to play through DD but it's so fucking dull. I put the game down for months between each case. Is SoJ any better?
Julian Rogers
>NAH Absolutely based
Ayden Adams
I don't know why I've wasted so much fucking time on talent development plan, but I have. Is a comfy sendoff to the series, getting to see the characters just be kids and not in mortal peril.
>add a fourth block to a fairly easy puzzle game >difficulty goes from OK to "fuck you" That has to be the most difficult achievement in the franchise.
>UDG ended with rejecting hope and despair already It did, but it lost a bit of its punch by adding a hope speech right before blasting the final boss with a giant energy ball. V3 recycled it but it made far more of a lasting impression on me.
Gavin Hughes
Hopefully never
Luis Parker
I think Juzo and Chisa might just be two of the worst written characters I've ever seen in an anime
All of the characters introduced in 3 were terrible in one way or another. Except maybe Great Gozu who only gets by because his only accomplishments were bodyslamming the floor to escape and saving Naegi, and then he died 2 episodes in
Benjamin King
Why Chisa?
Owen Campbell
>Juzo condemns the world to despair because he was afraid his friend would find out he's gay for him
It really is. You can plan five moves ahead and still get fucked over by a bad layout, whereas the other two games just take a bit of practice to master.
