Be me

Jack literally did nothing wrong in bl2. The pre sequel just hammers home how fucking terrible the vault hunters from bl1 really were, except Brick and Mordecai who were brought in to suffer because of Lilith and Roland.

t.brainlet

>Wasn't the whole point of Jack's arc trying to make him sympathetic
No. Jack is never sympathetic but neither are the people that act like they are better than him.

>literally only wants to hang out and make friends
>shut down at every attempt he makes
>could've literally been where handsome jack was in bl2, maybe even stronger with full access to hyperion's resources
>turned down fusing with the h-source and shadowtrap to save his friends
>these same friends laugh at him when he dies after saving literally everyone
he's annoying but he deserved better. glad i got to kill those bastards nisha and wilhelm in 2.

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Jack is a bad guy. All the Vault Hunters are bad guys. Most NPCs are bad guys. Literally no one on Pandora is good. The whole game is just villains fighting each other because each one thinks they're in the right.

>Who was in the wrong here?

I only played BL2 but he deserves all the shit thrown at him.

TPS and Tales seemed like they bent over backwards to try and make it seem like he was justified in his actions but at the same time ruining every other character in the series in the process

How so?

talk shit
get hit

Jacks mission to civilize Pandora is the only right thing tho. Everyone else wants to keep the planet as a ancap colony.

>civilize

cilvilize? He was taking over the planet with an iron fist.

Only way to civilize it if people would rather shoot you on sight for some scraps than listen to a word you say about longterm profits.

>S&S that low

Literally a bandit wrote this

Honestly the "people" of Pandora aren't even worth keeping in a cell they are all psychopaths

I really hate how they pushed the "Claptrap" is annoying joke in Borderlands 2. Of course he is for a fact annoying in Borderlands 2 as they completly overblown his character; in 1 he wasn't even a bother and him and the other Claps were pretty useful
>hating on base Wilhelm
He retroactively deserved better than being a massive jobber, one of most fun character I got to play in Borderlands along with Krieg

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>new haven was a slaughter

New haven is like 20 people surrounded by a shitty gate and bandits already, a land of Tetanus

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He wasn't at first, but nearly getting blown up with the moon colony almost dying because of it made him go a little insane.

He was literally going down to kill bandits and only bandits until Roland and Lilith convinced him people on the surface were too dangerous to keep alive.

>He wasn't at first, but nearly getting blown up with the moon colony almost dying because of it made him go a little insane.
at, TPS retcons to try and justify his bullshit.

>He was literally going down to kill bandits and only bandits until Roland and Lilith convinced him people on the surface were too dangerous to keep alive.
He stuck them, they stuck back. He deserves being branded as evil, even by Borderlands standards

>deserved better
Maybe, but at least he was a boss, Nisha was slightly better than a random enemy, sad but nothing to do there, is obvious they never really intended to do anything with those characters back in the day

>evil, even by Borderlands standards
The irony is that no one outside the degenerates on Pandora thinks that Jack was evil.

>The irony is that no one outside the degenerates on Pandora thinks that Jack was evil.

and there in lies the problem. We never see outside of Pandora, so all we have is the perspective of Pandora

You forgot something

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>We never see outside of Pandora
In Tales from the Borderlands, Jack is seen as a martyr in Hyperion and what a CEO should be.

Yes he was at first. He was always insane. The only time he doesn't seem insane is the first 5 minutes before you actually get to know him. Then he opens his mouth and you realized he's a sociopath. You're specifically ignoring all of the killing he did for fun and the fact that he imprisoned his daughter. Anyone who says Handsome Jack was unironically a good guy is a brainlet retard who only pays attention to their favorite parts and thinks everything that disagrees with those parts aren't real. Just because the writing is shit doesn't mean things that happened didn't fucking happen.

figures the company would suck the dick of their CEO, no matter how evil he is.

Jack was evil and what he was doing was wrong but if he wiped out Pandora's population and replaced them with new colonizers it could probably be an actual place to live. The planet had tons of resources.

>Then he opens his mouth and you realized he's a sociopath.
Actually Jack cares for the Hyperion workers and it's even said that the Hyperion station would be a shithole deathtrap for normal employees if he wasn't there to manage it.

>Actually Jack cares for the Hyperion workers

doesn't he kill some of them in TPS because they disagreed with him?

That was after he went fucking nuts and someone told him there was a traitor in the midst.

Hyperion smgs are goat, as are their shotties. Eat shit communist faggot

Randy Pitchford

Roland was OK, too. He genuinely apologizes. Lilith and Moxxi were uber cunts and made Jack go over the edge.

I'm just glad that Vladof and Maliwan are at top places, though I'd put Dahl a few places higher

He wasn't top dog in BL1. He was just some accountant or something having his daughter con some vault hunters into opening the vault so he can take the riches. only to find out it was guarded by a giant asshole monster called the destroyer. He then stole the destroyers eye. Made Hyperion's laser out of it. Got promoted. Then hyperion got attack by some chucklefucks in Pre-Sequel and his mercenaries he hired beat them back. He killed his boss and became the new head of Hyperion for BL2 in which his twisted mind that can't trust anyone fucked out everyone he ever cared for or worked with.

S&S is literally Bandit minus the accuracy debuff.
The fuck were you thinking?

It's important to remember that going by BL1 dialogue Angel, and by extension Jack, knew about the monsters in the vaults from the beginning. Atlas opening the Vault and getting fucked by the Destroyer may or may not have been part of the plan from the beginning.

t. can't aim.

Bandit guns are literally unusable garbage with awful stats outside mag size, the fuck are you on?

Nah
Hyperion > Atlas > Jakobs > Maliwan > Vladof > Tediore > Torgue > Dahl > S&S > Bandit

He killed tons of innocent people. One of the first ECHO pickup missions is him killing tons of innocent civilians.

BL seems to have this weird ability of writing great characters but then undermine/shit on them for retarded reasons and make the shittiest characters the ones in the "right".

Presequal could've been really interesting if they a point that Lilith was far from innocent and the underlying intentions of people were more complex then "x is good and y is bad". But it's seemed like they made Jack into a well written entirely by accident and make the shit ones the one we have to root for.

I think you were supposed to see Lilith as bad. Athena is meant to be us in TPS and she says that she wanted to kill Lilith and friends after the betrayal, I think all of them do except for Claptrap.

Plus Mordecai and Brick strongly disagreeing with her butthurt choice to kill Athena. I don't know if it'll go anywhere, but I think Lilith WAS supposed to come across as the bad guy.

Sucks that in TPS the Vault Hunters don't really interact with each other or talk all too much about the situation they are currently in.

There was literally an ECHO in Opportunity where Jack has an employee’s children killed simply for thinking that no one would want to bring their family to Pandora. Jack doesn’t give a fuck about his employees.

I take solace in the fact that Wilhelm goes on to single-handedly BTFO Lilith and friends.

Just too bad he didn't actually kill her.

>Finally try to play Mordecai
>his bird is so fucking useless
>no innate ammo regen
>Revolvers and Snipers are the slowest clearing guns of the game

I see I missed nothing

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Imagine literally caring for Memelands "lore"

BL1 characters have not aged well. That being said Mordecai is the only good one, so fuck you.

>doesn't like revolvers
The hell is wrong with you?

Reminder that Jack was always a villain and the only difference between him in TPS and BL2 is that he stopped putting on an act.

Features:
BL 2 > BL1 > Pre Sequel

Story:
BL1 > BL2 > Pre Sequel

Bosses:
BL1 > BL2 > Pre Sequel

Levels:
BL2 > BL1 > Pre Sequel

Comedy:
BL1 > BL2 > Pre Sequel

Fun:
BL2 > BL1 > Pre Sequel

Another autist for my wall.

Anthony Burch is that you?

Borderlands 2 had better features and level design and was way bigger then Borderlands 1. However, the comedy is shit, and the bosses aren't memorable at all. Don't pretend like BL1 is some bastion of gameplay because it's good, but BL2 improves in it in every single way

Just beat the main game today. Revolvers and snipers are a bit ass at first, but a good BL1 revolver is more fun than a single gun in BL2. Max out accuracy and get a pistol fire rate class mod. Bloodwing's useless, I'll give you that.

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>hating on the Pre-Sequel
Being able to shoot lazers instead of shitty E-Tech, navigate jump pads with Oz kits instead of trudging over flat terrain, and have abilities that are actually both fun and functional definitely put it far ahead of BL2. The hate for it is incredibly overblown.

>at, TPS retcons to try and justify his bullshit.
No it doesn't, Jack in DL2 is still completely justified since they've always said the people on Pandora are fucking lowlife criminal scum with a few innocents mixed in.
This is also the guy who lost his wife to his daughter and had to claw his way up the corporate ladder of Hyperion via murder and blackmail. Guy had to suffer to get where he's at.

by itself it's useless, you need bird skills, specifically the damage boost, health drain and increased number of targets
as for pistols, the correct build is the 2 tier 1 skills and the chaotic regen, dig into the sniper tree for Trespass and use mashers and corrosive revolvers exclusively

He was also abused as a child.

>Revolvers
>Slow
There's a mod for Mordecai that lets you regenerate Revolver ammo, not really that good other than that but Revolvers are the fucking strong. One Corrosive revolver can carry you to the end of General Knoxx.

Presequel is the most feature rich game in the series so far and BL1 story is full blown garbage for starters.

Not reading anything else since I'm obviously dealing with a BL1 fanboy.

No he wasn't, the guy was held together by will and ambition until Lilith fucked his shit up and scarred his face. He was good, and did horrible things for the good of many, his daughter would've died if he didn't keep her in there and we don't know if he was working on a way to get her out of there, he had the syren dampening collar, but even with that his daughter needed the irridium to live. We only know she killed her mother, and that she was a syren to somebody who worked at Hyperion which probably means the experimentation wasn't optional for her, there's probably no where else she was safe.

Jack's had a hard life.

Playing the remaster the story IS a bit better knowing what's going on with Angel, but yeah, looking at the release, the story was non-existent.

The scientists were saying one of them was a traitor, and Jack couldn't be sure who was the real rat, so he flushed them all to keep the hyperion station and the moon colony safe.

>slag
your entire argument is invalid

>he murdered and blackmailed people
>also try to exploit and kill of an indigenous people because he was told they were bad guys
>but he's totally a good guy, I swear
I don't even know what any of this is about but that sounds retarded

Please mix up the "increased damage" mechanic between corrosive and cryo in BL3 each was the "slag" of their respective titles and actually had a purpose besides "more damage, use new gun now"

What's the best "mod" to use on Borderlands 2 to remove the Slag / Grog Nozzle and spongy fucker balancing issues?

Are there even mods?!

>also try to exploit and kill of an indigenous people because he was told they were bad guys
>indigenous
>Pandora
bandit plz, nobody gives a shit about filthy criminals
>he murdered and blackmailed people
have you seen Hyperion's upper mangement before Jack took over? They were worse than he was in every way, incompetent murderous nepotistic retards, he only gets bad with blackmail once he gets pushed over the edge.

>indigenous people

There are no indigenous people on Pandora. Everybody there is either a colonist not important enough to be taken away with Dahl when they left, or literal criminal slave labor abandoned on the planet.

Reborn.

Just don't play any OP shit. Up to and including ultimate VH mode can be done playing the actual game, not the slag this game.

>leaks say AI Jack is back

Looks like kino's back on the menu boys

That being said he is a bit of an asshole, there's that part at the end of Tales of the Borderlands where he asks someone if they've seen Rhys and when they fuck up the response he guns them down for no real reason. He's still the hero compared to pretty much everyone else but that doesn't vindicate him 100%

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I think they shouldn't have left Jacks body in the Vault.
There's a good chance that he'll be the new "warrior" and we'll have a whole godking of dune thing going on with him.

>where the fuck is Sal, Krieg, Axton, and Gaige.

Gonna be assmad if they don't return. A.I. Jack is cool, but PLEASE give the Calypso's a chance to be the main villains, and good ones at that.

>innocent

>ancap colony
maybe he was in the wrong after all

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Pretty much every character in borderlands is a massive asshole piece of crap in some way shape or form. Hell out of the player characters the only ones I can think of that arent are maybe Mordecai, because he just wants to drink and play with his bird, and fucking Krieg if you consider the fact that the "real him" basically has no control over his body but will force suicide if he kills a innocent person

>He's still the hero compared to pretty much everyone else but that doesn't vindicate him 100%
His life was terrible and he held on pretty good till the end of pre sequel.
He's not 100% not a piece of shit, but it's sad to see what happened to him when all he wanted to do was build up pandora for the people on the moon and formerly the people left behind by jakobs.

Scooter wasn't a terrible person but he's dead now.

Guess there really ain't no rest for the wicked, until they close their eyes for good.

>Bandit being that high
I swear to god the bullets go everywhere EXCEPT where I'm aiming. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bandit gun where the bullets went backwards.

Wow I guess we really are the borderlands 2: the pre sequel

I hope she dies in 3. Maybe Jack wouldn't have been so bad if she didn't fucking burn his face and stab him in the back.

Oh you.

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>story: BL1
>hahaha! the game with virtually no story? I'll put it first! that will make me seem like a true gamer! hahahahha!

I tried playing this again with friends and god damn I forgot how stupid the gameplay was.
You're constantly dying because you have no option to avoid bullets since they're too fast and you have no such thing as a dodge or block. You can't strafe either. It'd be fine if you didn't lose 90% of your health and shield in 2 seconds.

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Honestly Jack was right, wiping out Pandora wouldn't have negatively affected anything else. I really hate that it wasn't written by a non-retarded person because I feel like it could have been really nice to have a game where you're objectively the bad guys.

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He wouldn't have, he also wouldn't have killed Mordecai's bird or fucked Brick's shit. He also would've worked with Roland to wipe out the bandits on pandora and leave the actual sane functioning people.

>needing a dodge or block in an FPS

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Well, he probably wouldn't have been THAT good. He did airlock those scientists because he thought one of them was working for Zarpedon.

You can avoid projectiles in good shooters, not necessarily with either of those. The only thing you can do in borderlands is hide behind a wall.

user, BL2 tries to play like something it's not. The first borderlands was trying to be a lot more of a cover shooter but they kept the cover shooter elements in 2.

We can only hope in 3 that they do something to remedy that.

Enemies are stupid accurate, nothing you can do about it except merc them before they do anything.

He would have only been based if he had fulfilled his job as a father and fucked Angel's sweet siren pussy.

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one of them was, he did it because he had to, same with the A.I., it was a hard decision.

Based and Hyperionpilled.

>tfw you realize Angel died a virgin.

Such waste.

Sal will get his own DLC as a sheriff or something.

Every character has a way to mitigate damage in some way, whether it be a thing to throw out to distract enemies or just giving regen/damage resist to yourself. There's really no reason you'll ever need to play it as cover shooter unless your gear is complete shit, or you're zer0, and even then you can have a -cooldown relic and class mod for him to just go into decepti0n a billion times.

I thought I was the only one who had a boner for her.
Borderlands has given me a fetish for all these punk and sidecut sluts.
Thank god they are so prevalent in porn.

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I wish Liliths' pussy game wasn't so ridiculous.
But redheads tend to be black guys weakness.
Like superman and kryptonite. Vampires and garlic. Fat chicks and post valentines day chocolate cake.

>Literally no one on Pandora is good.
T.K. Baha

Where did you get that from?

I clapped when Jack shot him in the spine. He deserved it for being so whipped, fucking making me kill a little girl.

based

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I feel like its either a lot of baiting going on with threads like these or these fucking morons really can't understand what is going on in these games. Jack, the good guy? Really nigga??

>Welp, first day on Pandora. Wife's not too happy about the move, but I'm sure things will be alright. This here's the beginnin' of our new life!
Baha was retarded,

>when you're too brainlet to see Lilith is a piece of shit
>when you shack up with bandits and gangbangers and wonder why you're getting nuked
pottery

except athena. athena did nothing wrong and deserves good

>wants to kill a planet coated in bandit retards and build over that
>bad guy

The only bad things are his methods.

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He lost any sympathy/reason when he imprisoned his daughter.

Lilith almost killed her for telling the truth about her cunty ways

>dyke
Nah, she's evil alright.

athena and her girlfriend are cute!

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S&S > Vladof > Atlas > Hyperion > Torgue > Tediore > Dahl > Jakobs >>>>>>>> actual dogshit >>>>>>>> Bandit

In BL1 he was pretty ok apart from telling you there's new missions every 5 minutes, but at least he didn't treat you like shit.

In BL2 I fucking despise the little shit, and every time I have to start a new playthrough I mute the game until I get to Hammerlock so I don't have to listen to fucking Claptrap he's such a fucking piece of shit I hate him.

>The Talon of God
>Objective: End it
youtube.com/watch?v=BzVle-cFwRs

This part was fucking amazing.

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Pre-Sequel has more features than BL2, the fuck are you smoking

She's only "good" because of the creepy over the top lez pushing and no one liked any of that shit.
Being straight as a woman and not some kind of creepy fucks anything skank = has to be evil.
Seriously.

it's called ignoring UVHM and it makes the game fun

mechanically and story wise it's better than 2, but it's incredibly bland and lacking in variety

BL2 has a painfully underrated OST. It's one of my favorites of any game, ever. 1 and TPS aren't half bad, either.
youtube.com/watch?v=FOzwPinlrjA

>tfw all the best music is in the DLCs
>tfw they're more or less made by the same composer

youtube.com/watch?v=KUQ4LA-Zask
youtube.com/watch?v=VKC-39mgsKI
youtube.com/watch?v=W9IGsGd6lQU
youtube.com/watch?v=53CAzh_qCGE

I wish he did more of the main game stuff. I feel like the majority of BL2's ost was really bland.

>fuck up the glitch for Knoxx

Just end my life on a timer senpai

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>Game teaches you the importance of shooting for critical hits and applying a de-buff known as "Slag" to increase your damage against tougher enemies
>Game then introduces enemies that completely ignore these mechanics

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Now that tina is an adult I can safely fantasize about her watching as moxxi gets gangbanged by like 10 big dudes

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Claptastic Voyage's final boss theme is amazing
youtube.com/watch?v=tjW3GrZ_rGg

Also, guy who did the OST for BL2 is comming back for BL3, let's hope for the best.

>the shitty one level expansions had music better than the original game

I will never, ever understand this.

haven't seen him , dropped the first Borderlands halway trough
How's he hanging around nowadays?

The entirety of TPS was actually based. Too bad the beggining was so bad with that awful lesbo chick.

Also fuck them for making Athena an actual dyke. There was zero need for that and making her date the worst character in borderlands was a bad move.

pre-sequel even if is terrible

show that lilith is full of shit and jack did nothing wrong
youtu.be/Zdo4pipwZwQ

isn't their weak point the big red part? or maybe these type don't have them?

Will they be back?
as a couple or a Big bro/sis relationsip?

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That guy's a big ass mini boss and he can't be slagged or crit at all. To be fair there's only 1 (not counting the OP level thing) so it's not that bad but he's fucking obnoxious to fight, especially if you don't know that shit and keep shooting his joints like EVERY OTHER LOADER EVER.

Saturn has no weakpoints and is deadly af in uvhm

can people still buy Tales?

Are there actual differences between each brand besides appearance? I just use weapons that have better stats than the one i was using before.

And now they're guaranteed to be a part of everything because they're THE gay couple. Athena's character is reduced and Janey never fucking improves.

In 1? Not really outside atlas being great at everything and maliwan only making elemental. In 2 the differences are much more signifigant, like tediores are all grenades instead of reloading and dahl all burst fire when zoomed and etc.

elemental athena is a lot of fun
space australians are the biggest shitposters so tps could've been funny if it weren't for cuckthony birch writing
too much waiting for dialogue to end before you get q objectives tho

There's one scene where Roland tells Lilith to calm her tits and let him handle the situation but nothing happens because this is the presequel and good writing gets buried under memes.

jesus fucking christ

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How the fuck does that cutscene show that Jack did nothing wrong? Are you completely delusional?

>game set in not-austrailia
>censors swears

what were they thinking?

>ITT People who played the Presequel but not TFTB
Jack was a fucking amazing character but he couldn't go 5 minutes without stroking his ego or backstabbing someone while crying about being backstabbed. I'm almost tempted to post spoilers just to prove my point. Go play Tales from the Borderlands you fucking retards.

i kinda like the censors, somehow it makes it goofier
like that one shotgun that calls you a cunt and yells to stick it in

You can go change a couple of lines in your computer so all dialog gets muted and is skipped since the game would look for it in a file that doesn't exist so it would skip it completely.

Magnus lighthouse being stuck at the end of a shitty DLC is a goddamn crime.

I finished it a couple days ago, and while I do agree that he's an asshole, he still had the right idea.

hey how do I make these games not mind-numbingly boring

i've had more success with Bandit SMGs than any other company than ain't Maliwan, and their guns are only effective less than 1/3rd of the time

Reminder that before the big meanies on pandora totally forced him to be evil he was still locking his daughter up and using her to con people

Mod loaders help for the first two.

Pre-sequel has the best class options and has decent weapon options but anthony burch's writing drags the game down hard and having only 3 zones doesn't help the matters.

He was crazy by that point and legitimately doesn't think shit through in the final act.

Differences in 1 were minor which was nice. Obvious ones were jakobs low rate of fire but high damage and maliwan having high elemental multipliers. Brands in 2 had a larger difference which I didint really like desu. Hope they tone it down in 3.

She was 3d. 3d is disposable. She caught the disease known as entitlement and the "live laugh love :)" mentality. She was disposed of.

>*brrts you with hyperion pistol*
Pssht, nothin personnel kiddo.

user, everyone in the series is rainbow as fuck.
Except for Jack, Roland and Angel.
Eating pussy =/= get some importance that demands that the cahracter be brought back.
If anything..after the backlash the game is going to get for it's MCs. I honestly believe they'll tone down the homosex and alternative lifestyles stuff.

I think you mean
>*misses 10 shots and then the mag runs out after the next 10*

There are two gimmicks per manufacturer now. Jakobs, for instance, kept the firerate from 2, and added a ricochet effect.

Each brand has special characteristics. Teodore weapons are thrown like a grenade and explode on reload, effectively wasting the rounds in the mag if you reload early. Tourge guns have slow projectiles but explosive rounds, bandit guns have exorbitant magazine sizes but usually shit stats otherwise, etc etc.

Timothy is alright. Scooter is murderous, but he's cool in my book.

Torgue has stick bullets that'll probably function like the Needler from Halo, Vladof gets grenade launchers, Hyperion gets a frontal energy shield, really they're all a little more specialized that before

Pre-Sequel > 2 just because ice guns and low gravity are both based as fuck
fuck slag and fuck bandits

TPS clearly doesn't. His erasure of Felicity is pretty clearly intended to be a horrible act, one which the Doppleganger starts to dislike Jack for

>Lasers are in
>Cryo is in
>Slag is in
>Sliding

I think things are going to be okay

LMAO BUTT STALLION SO RANDUMB XD

>tfw of the five sniper making company in BL2 two of them are Dahl and Hyperion one making aim garbage and the other making you waste two rounds for every headshot you try to make
Jakobs=Vladof>Maliwan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dahl>Hyperion

>Slag is in
Fuck

>slag is in
>things are going to be okay

No, not unless they rework it entirely.

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>TFW played through the game as Sheriff
I made a fucking mistake, she's the worst fucking character and her broken autosnipe ability doesn't save the fact that she's the worlds biggest gold digging cunt.

>bandit that hight
>tediore that high
>torgue and dahl that low
>hyperion in last
>S&S not the best

Faggot that never played 1 detected

I was suprised at how unfun she was to play compared to everyone else in TPS. Like at least sal had the whole "just go full retard on them" fun, she's got fucking nothing.

You kidding? Some of those one-off are better than the first 3 DLC expansions.
Wedding Massacre on its own has more actual humor in it and has more character moments in it than the main game itself does.
youtube.com/watch?v=eNwDgBXoTV0

>kills many innocent civilians
>has wacky edgy bullshit laws for his utopia like littering is punishable by death, workers are worked to death 24/7
>exploits his daughter under the guise of protecting her
>is an asshole
His goal was noble but not his methods, he was misguided so much he even fooled himself into thinking he was the good guy

my first playthrough was as Nisa, playing through it again as Wilhelm was a completely different experience
>tfw his voice gets more and more robotic the more skill points you earn

Maya is "good" enough though.

>Slag
DROPPED

Yes

The bird is mostly useless, but Revolvers are god-tier. A good revolver with Mordecai can wreck entire rooms in seconds if you're not an aimlet. If you need ammo regen there is a legendary that regens revolver ammo so quickly that you'll never run out again.

For some reason I completely forgot about the content itself in the levels. But you're right, the mini dlcs are a lot better than hammerlock+captain scarlet (I like torgue's memefest more than I'd like to admit). Outside maybe the snow one but that's almost certainly because I played it to farm the loot train a billion times.

Do you pass randy the boof?

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2 has some good points, granted. Way, way better playable characters and skill trees. Way better level designs.

But the loot, which is like 60% of the appeal, got hamstrung something fierce in the transition from 1 to 2. S&S, Atlas, and Eridian just disappeared (Pour some out for S&S best guns). What did we get in their place? Bandit, which kept the mag size of S&S but lost all the accuracy and damage. And they looked like shit. Oh, and E-tech weapons which are actually 90% shit ammo wasters.

We lost weapon types on top of manufacturers getting restricted from what weapon types they could generate. Rip hyperion assault rifles. Rip torgue snipers.

And on top of THAT, explosive went from being a great element to a gimmick ammo thereby making almost all torgue weapons worse and anything spawning with a torgue barrel worse.

And under the hood further, there are just less options in weapon generation. Less parts are available even before the gimmicks and restriction types get bundled in. This all means that there are significantly less guns in 2 than there are 1. And that's awful.

Don't even get me started about slag, elements nerfed in general, and the full retard damage/hp scaling that makes guns obsolete in a few levels no matter how lucky your part rolls were.

>tfw saved a random post just for 2fags

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That's just a boss, bosses are always immune to status

I can agree with everything else, but fuck you, torgue guns are so fun in 2.

>athena
>lez
Eh
I'm playing through T-bone junction right now and Scooter is explicitly T-boning her.

The legendary meta was bullshit.

Eridian dissipated for a good reason. Those weapons were fucking shit and there wasn't a single rarity to them that was higher than green.

As much as I agree with you i think the manufacturers needed some differences other than some have better stat strength then others.
Unless you're Torgue in BL1, in which case you are good at everything.

Also Torgue in BL2 I think is a still great. They have the best shotguns, some of the best rifles if you find a good one, and most of its legendaries are fucking amazing.
Hopefully in BL3 they'll make the manufacturors be less gimmicky or more well rounded.

>be me
dumb plebbitor

user, she's canon full dyke.

im currently playing through TPS solo and im getting fucked by the enemies even of my same level, tried activating the online but nobody joined.
why cant they scale shit for solo play?

So are Eridian weapons a fucking meme or what

I've gotten exactly one that has done anything but three-shots-and-wait a minute. The lightning storm one.

And their own special combat level is dumb as fuck too

Maybe they reworked it?

U fockin' wot
Torgue barrels ruing everything in 2. Explosive element was something you looked forward to in 1. In 2 it's a disappointment because landing shots outside of point blank range is a fucking chore and they eat all your ammo.

>he doesnt know

So what's wrong with Slag anyway

Just bought the Handsome collection as it's -95% off, is TPS really that bad?

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You're supposed to switch off to a different weapon while they recharge dingus.

They're not terribly great though.

Her backstory is basically the only "heroic" one.

It means you HAVE to waste a slot on slag, for the bonus damage.

It invalidates elements, since it only buffs bullet damage.

I got the collection and tried TPS for the first time. Doppleganger is based, but other than that the writing and quests are hot fucking garbage. I keep going back to 2 because I have to play on fucking mute

>tries to purge the land of what he deems undesirables

Borderlands team is actually Nazi's and Handsome Jack is their way of trying to subtly influence the younger generation to like Hitler.

What's so bad about slag?

making a weapon type that only exists to introduce a minigame for other weapons to do actually appropriate damage is boring and gay

Unless you're playing as best girl Maya

The level of cruelty is too high to make him an actually good misguided hero. The guy was just an asshole who thought he was better than everyone else who would now and then say "I'm the hero", which isn't enough. You don't actually see any positive effects of what he did on Pandora. Everything he has done hasn't been good to anyone. You could remove all bits of dialogue of him saying anything about being the hero and it wouldn't change his character at all. Like, if he started off in the game as a character actually wanting to help but your actions over time drive them to seeking to destroy everyone instead could make for a better story. Instead we get a one dimensional evil for the sake of evil bad guy who's also obnoxious.

Based boof poster

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Fuck you Torgue snipers are the shit

Having to have a single weapon dedicated to applying a debuff to an enemy then switching to another weapon is pretty dumb.

>that pic

If I wasn't downloading Sekiro I'd be redownloading BL2 right now

Borderlands 3 has just been released, and has only sold 50% of borderlands 2
Gearbox is at risk of closing
Do you still pass him the boof?

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You're basically required to use it in the higher difficulties, because the enemies have such high hp and regen that you can't really counter unless you're melee Krieg because his melee boosts are just that fucking massive.

>Wedding Day Massacre
>that irish battle music
>both the main quest and side quest are funny
>steal fucking baby and make it cry
>>every vaulthunter has unique dialog that expands their character
>Maya yelling "SORRY I'M A COMPLETIONIST" as she kills takes Stella's wig and kills her and her boyfriend just to finish a quest.

It's something to play. If anything it's not as good as 2, but the gameplay has some more mechanics. Also its only DLC expansion is pretty good. Main story is pretty alright if you are interested in Jack and shit and played stuff like Tales of Borderlands before hand.

Basically if you're a fan of the series itself, you'll likely enjoy everything in it save for some Australian jokes and development quality, Janey "did you know i'm a big fucking lesbian carpet muncher" Springs, and other such burch writing quotas.
It's fun if you make it fun though. I suggest playing Jack or Nisha if you want an easy time, or Jack, Athena, or Claptrap if you want an fun time.

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>be me
>take money to develop aliens game
>waste it on borderlands instead

>borderlands games turn out to be fantastic(at least to play)

I fail to see a problem here.

I really hope they keep the protagonist dialogue for BL3.

cope

He needs a puff now more than ever. Yeah , I give him the boof.

Will BL3 have a good intro theme or will Tales still stand as the king in that regard?
youtube.com/watch?v=2Eb8mZZgKjo
youtube.com/watch?v=4U38x6ghBHc

>the fact that he imprisoned his daughter.
You didn't see what she did to her mother. He had to restrains Angel's power. You got that! He had to!.

By itself, nothing much, it'd be a handy element for tough enemies if you can't brute force your way out.
But UVHM makes it practically mandatory thanks to the insane health boost all enemies get, where even a basic Bandit can take 2-3 magazines to drop without Slag or a blatantly power Legendary (which will probably lose its effectiveness in a few levels)

I pass him the boof on the condition he show me a magic trick using the boof

Just use Moxxi's gun, it's fucking amazing

No way TFtBl will ever be surpassed. They managed to do not one but 5 (five, 五, cinco) perfect OPs.

>they actually made scooter more than just a fucking joke
>kill him off just over halfway through

why

Because VA is having medical issues and is also actually dying. He could barely do the voice anymore.

Axton has slag on turrets, Salvador negates this by dual wielding, Gaige just fucks your shit up with anarchy, Krieg only needs Firehawk shield to be a killing machine...

Zer0 is fucked though

You mean Battleborn

>they actually made a game in which Borderlands had actual stakes in it and made it have some form of impact
>it ends and the company goes bankrupt

Wait shit, really? Well at least it was done well.

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Ye. Guy had a stroke and will likely only get worse over time.

How dare you.

delete this

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>game
You fucking liar

>Zer0 is fucked though
He has his kunai.

Damn that's depressing. As dumb as his character was I'll miss him.

Helena Pierce came closer than anyone else to maintaining civilization and unlike some others it wasn't only for profit.

I mean he was messaged by Blake pretty much saying if he didn't want to die that he'd have to move. doesn't make his decision of going to Pandora any better.
Also he's not dead if he's still a zombie; which he is in canon.

This is some gay sounding shit. I really hope 3 is nothing like it.

Also Roland too. Who.. also ended up fucking dead. I guess the 'good' guys can't get a brake. Wonder who will die in 3.

a group of 4 claptraps was the most fun i had in tps

>played through the game literally yesterday
>actually teared up during that
How they managed to make me care that much about a funny haha redneck meme character is amazing.

No

Are you a ninty fan?

>bird
>useless
It becomes a zone wiping clear machine once you've buffed it up enough.

Big problem with Mordikai is he focuses a lot of his bonuses on snipers and revolvers, which aren't terrible weapons, but in diablo style games DPS and clearspeed is everything, thus having high raw DPS is better then having high burst damage, and revolvers and snipers are shit for that.

So it sounds LESS bad, but still bad.
>murder is okay when it's unimportant criminals or other murderers
I'm not saying you're 100% off, but I dunno

Shit....is that why it sounds so different from bl1 to bl2?

Is there a more boring fucking protagonist than Axton?

Mordecai in 1 exclusively. He gets better in 2 onward but fuck is he boring in 1. Even fucking Roland is better.

Yes. Lilith, Mordecai, Roland, Gaige, Maya & Zer0.

>Zer0

what

I would have agreed with you. But he killed my fucking waifu and for that he must die.

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>Be level 42 zer0
>ng+
>kinda underlevel equipment but managing because of crits
>enter reserve
>struggle with stalkers
>get past them
>get to the robots
>kinda trash but possible
>badass comes in
>motherfucker han no eye weak point
>bust both arms, he's at 20% health
>one shots me with the eye beam
>spawn at the start of the zone
>youtube.com/watch?v=-1qju6V1jLM
>reach the badass loader
>he's back at full health and now he has no weakpoints
Fuck Randy fuck Anthony and fuck 2k

I'll just leave this here

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Fuck TK Baha. I can't believe I actually collected 400 brains for him.

>pistol fags

ahahaha

I'll never forget his usage of a spoon

That's a really nice firerate, grandma.

>needing a good firerate when you shoot 20 projectiles or so at once

This, except for the slagga, probably the only good bandit gun

Pretty much all the other vault hunters except Krieg and TPS. Krieg was interesting and TPS had unique dialogue for all of them. BL1 and 2s only become characters when you aren’t playing as them. I hope they make them and the vault hunters you play as in 3 as interesting.

For me, it's Torgue.

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Slag increases any and all damage types except slag elemental damage

BONERFARTS

>this user takes more than one or two shots to kill things

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Bandit rocket launchers and special weapons like Bone Shredder/Slagga are the only bandit guns I find memorable

Otherwise their stats are unusable ass, and having a long time before reloading doesn't help at all.

Badaboom. Dont bring up the norfleet as a reason the badaboom isnt good. Norfleet is a broken goddamn mess. Its litterally the best thing in the game.

Also bandit shotguns can be killer. Thre dogg being a fucking beatiful gun. As is the roksalt

there are better ways to slag things friend

Dude, I fucking love the norfleet
What the fuck

>tfw not him

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Guess he wasnt using a jakobs

Is there anything better than gibbeds save editor?

My phrasing isnt good. Im saying the norfleet is the best thing in the game

There is nothing better that you can get at lvl 16 in NG that will last you til NG+++ when you start to need healing too.

you I like

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There's a cut echo log in 2 that says Jack weakened Wilhelm with poison before his fight in 2 to assure he was killed and the fake power core would be picked up. Otherwise he would've likely put up a raid tier fight.

>needing healing
>not just pressing F when you health gets to ! territory

Do you even Krieg?

>slags u

>first game has a mission where you help some rando find a new place to live because he doesn't want to be lead by a woman
>second game has Mr. Torge yelling NOTHING IS MORE BADASS THEN RESPECTING WOMEN

Jakobs has two types of guns: instakill guns, and almost instakill, fire-a-drum-in-0.3-seconds guns

She has shit taste in women but that's it.

She only got killed because of Roland and Lilith.

So does everyone else with two brain cells to rub together.

I thought that was a parody of sjw's. Was it supposed to be serious?

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Knowing Anthony Bitch it probably was but obviously coming out of Mr.Torgue's mouth it's ridiculous.

it feels too goofy to not be a joke, especially the bit in TPS where Mr. Torgue starts talking about how the friend zone isn't real

I like how the writers in 2 forgot that bloodwing was a male and then made up a half-assed excuse as to why the gender was different.

They completely remade how the moon looks in 1 in the remaster because the moon in 2 is more iconic. They also apparently changed how angel appears in all the games now.

Doing a lot of retconning for 3 i guess

didnt they fire his ass?

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>yfw not Anthony Burch

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What if they just don't have enemies be bullet sponges? You're blaming slag but what you should blame is Gearboxes retardation

they're both a problem. Slag is a bad solution to a problem that shouldn't exist

I think so. Hopefully.

well what do you want better AI or something kek

Writing is fucking horrible I heard a rumor that Burch made the writing in TPS worse because he wanted to spite his critics and I actually don't doubt it. It doesn't help that half of the game was done by a team of Aussies but then Burch came in and told them "this game is mine now". Aside from that the game is fine but it sucks that they abandoned it and didn't add any DLC.

Burch wrote it so it was likely serious

Hey, Sal was pretty alright.

yea but he's a spic, and a manlet

Isn't he a cannibal?

He killed an employee's family just for asking why anyone would want to come to pandora.

Who did he eat?

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Gaige's pussy

Lame answer, but probably some random ass bandit.

Any other changes in the remaster? Is there a list somewhere?

Brick's lost sister.

Athena's sister. Atlas was just the patsy.

claptrap dlc made it all worth it for me.
fuck eos though.

you take that back you son of a bitch

Gaige no longer has a pussy, she removed it and had it replaced with robotic parts instead.

I hate this boss so much

based and redpilled

Counterpoint: so is everyone on pandora and he didnt go far enough

The main vault hunter with the soul patch looks like he beats his girlfriend regularly.

even if everything about the vault hunters made them evil that doesn't make Jack good

So why the hell is pandora such a shit hole?

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Its like australia times 10, that's why.
Its seasonal cycle literally flashes between desert and tundra.

anarchy build?

BL2 had a lot of fun uniques before they nerfed every single fucking one of them because apparently balance is important in a co-op shoot n' loot.

Having millions of unpaid convicts doing slave labor recently left alone to fend for themselves with very hostile wildlife waking up from an eight year hibernation could see how shitty the planet could become.

She looks ragged the fuck out. Did every male on Pandora run a train on her when she turned 14?

It was colonized by people from Alabama.

Pandora is a very shitty planet itself. Having 90 hour rotation cycle and a horseshoe shaped gravity path ariunf it's star means it's very fucking cold for a while, is nice for a little bit once it reaches the curve melting the tundra on the surface and then misersble hell desert being close to the Sun in it's Summer.

Considering the place is a lawless wasteland and for a while she was alone in an undefended cave it is pretty likely at one point bandits got sick of her shit and did a raid

Anyone got the chart of all the new company's gun effects?

Given the shit that happened to her as a kid, I don't think she looks that bad. She literally went insane after her parents were murdered in front of her in a horrific science experiment, and had to survive on her own on PANDORA..

She's lucky to be alive.

Marcus admits in the very first moment of BL1 that in spite of the intolerable lifestyle, the people living there are just fine with it.

He only started pumping her with the Eridium because he wanted the Vault Key supercharged ASAP.

athena is best girl

>He was good, and did horrible things for the good of many,
So he was bad. Glad we could clear that up.