Tell me, how do you fix him?

>what are the gloves of running urgently
theyre shit too, btw

I don't know about fixing but a projectile weapon or burst firing weapon would bring some much needed variety to his play styles.

Heavy is the “support them and they’ll carry you” class. You don’t even need to be a medic you just have to help them against their counters and they’ll facetank the enemy team.
As a pyro, I tend to stay near the heavy/medic combo Incase they need a quick extinguish, a spy check, or need help with projectile deflection.
As for snipers, I have no solution. But then again, it’s your fault for being in the open like that

Vladymyr
>minigun
>higher spread at range
>but has damage resistance, leeches health back on damage done
>can sacrifice HP to move faster temporarily
>if you go an amount of time without dealing damage you start losing HP

True, but that’s sniper doing his job in general.

I think he's in a perfectly fine spot, he just needs more alternative playstyles other than fatscout to make him more fun to play. Heavy is just boring which is why he has such a low playrate despite being a powerhouse.

Alright how about having to stop moving comepletely in exchange for some health and weapon damage?

This is the answer. Heavy is vulnerable to many classes despite his large health pool and needs something that encourages him to stay close to teammates as quasi-defense/support. He'll never be viable on his own against even remotely competent players. Let him chip away at enemies and punish those who overextend and then pop a banner to make a push or reinforce against the other team's push.

that's how the brass beast should work, imo. turn heavy into a mobile sentry wouldn't be the most revolutionary change, but I don't think its a bad one

Heavy is extremely vulnerable to not only Sniper/Spy but he also dies quickly if he gets caught un-revved. He's generally okay when supported by a medic because the med gives him more time to get revved up, but then the medic is being put in danger by trying to save the heavy from the scout that's about to 8) him 3x before he can even get revved

Basically this.
Heavy is weak to everything. People only think he's strong because of the occasional pocket heavy that carry, but that's about it.
He needs a revamp at this point.

The problem with heavy is the way his primary weapon operates. You aren't going to fix him without completely changing how the minigun functions and that's a very complicated matter and not realistic to expect from a 12 year old game.

But should he just buffed or have to give up something in order gain an advantage?

the only thing i'd say to give him is sniper resistance but at that point he would be insanely broken
heavy's really good as long as the guy playing him isnt a complete fucking retard

Heavy is already plenty good. Heavy has all the tools to do what he does well.

That said, Heavy doesn't have a very high skill ceiling, he isn't that fun to play, and doesn't really have any variety. There are only two ways to play Heavy, "get in position and Minigun people down" and "Punch people while steak boosted"

It's tricky to balance Heavy.
Comp:
I hate how people think Heavy to mid was bad in comp.
A scout will always be better. Sure you shit on the roamer faster, but you have 0 mobility.
The was heavy operates his minigun is also a downside.
If you get caught unreved, like other anons said, you die.
He's a slow defender.
Pubs and the class in general:
Any changes done to him that were buff were insta reverted. Give him more resistance ? People complained.
Give him more damage ? People complained.
Give him more speed ? People complained.
I love heavy and love playing and carrying as him, but I'm usually forced to switch to demo/soldier because I can do what Heavy does faster and more reliably.

The problem lies maybe with the fact other classes are just too good.
But changing those generalists would break the game.
I really don't know how we should change Heavy.

make him worse immediately out of spinup but better the longer he stays spun, probably though accuracy ramp since damage ramp would be fucking dumb
incentivize the shotgun by making it easier/faster to swap to
also change natascha to knockback so he can deny jump in from the mobile classes
and rollout tools, he needs them, gru are trash now

he needs a lot actually

>Brass Beast
>Dalokhos Bar
>Fists of Steel
There you go.

>he also dies quickly if he gets caught un-revved

This is what the shotgun is meant for. You're supposed to use a shotgun while advancing until you can get to a fortified position to sit there and mow people down with the minigun.

Doesn't even matter when Sandwich >>>>>>>>> anything else.

The problem is that the sandvich/banana just has so much god damn utility and is so good compared to the shotgun that you're honestly putting yourself at a disadvantage NOT taking it. especially if you have a medic with you

Make Sandvich weaker
Remove one of Tomislav's attributes to make it less of a straight upgrade
Rework Natascha to remove Slow Effect and damage resist.

>implying sniper (or you) have to be in the open

I hate this meme. Sniper does 150 damage on scope at any range. A good sniper can delete pretty much anybody whenever he feels like it provided his primary isn't going through its animation.

> How do fix one of the weakest class
> Nerf him
Great job user.

Sandvich/Banana is preferable in most cases, I will not disagree that it is fantastic to have. Use the food item in every situation when a fortified spot is something that you take for granted. For instance, when you're on defense and there's going to be nothing between you and walking to defend the control point or when you're playing offense on a payload map and the bomb cart is directly outside of your spawn.

But to be ignorant and say Heavy has completely nothing for the cases where he has to walk alone from Blu spawn to the control point is just plain stupid. If you had a shotgun out you can fend off a spy or flanking scout who is trying to pick you off un-revved.

Sniper is a glass canon.
As infuriating as it is to play against a good sniper, there are counter plays.
Snipers aren't gods and they're unreliable. That's why they're not run 100% of the time in 6's.
Having a bad day on Sniper has worse repercussions than a bad day on Soldier.

Heavy is not one of the weakest classes.

holding m1 has been superior to swapping to shotgun for like years now man
its both easier and kills like 7/9 classes faster than the shotgun
its why hes boring, you hit your ceiling literally immediately upon firing and theres no mechanical depth or knowledge that can be applied to push him further
plus his output cap is fucking low compared to the actual good classes and he gets by pretty much entirely by virtue of health pool

Heavy is shit in comp because every class except 4 is shit in comp. It was intentionally designed this way. If they decided to do Payload or KOTH, and not 5cp, Heavy would be viable.

oh oh i know, you know he's like that gun guy like from russia and he got big gun right, why not like give him bigger gun that go like DVDVDVDVDVDVDVDVDV RATATATATA!!!!!
and big guy be like Hhahahahahahhahahah please have more tears in your eyes or what not
Aand he big so like we know like he eat the burger right, why not like give him like big burger, and hes like OMIAMIMAMIAM IS BURGER!!!!

also he needs more gun

But that's the thing user.
I didn't say you were wrong, you're absolutely right. Shotgun exists for quick kills.
But, Sandwich existing makes you go through this process:
Trade healing, sustainability and support for that moment I'll need a shotty to kill that scunt ?
And no sane player would trade sustainability when you already have 540 dps gun.

if you use minigun while advancing to a fortified spot, you leave yourself open to being outplayed and, like the others have said, you are vulnerable while revving up. You're going to get juggled by rockets or they're peek shoot you from around corners.

Okay, so you choose to just DIE and then complain about Heavy being weak in the cases where he will be caught out walking to the control point by himself.

Legalize GRU. That's all you need to do to make him viable in competitive play.

Are you missing the point on purpose ?
Most heavies rev at random already when rolling out.
Shotgun is shit compared to lunch item. That's why people do not run shotgun.

What if there was a compromise weapon between the Sandvich and the Shotgun? Like a shot-gun with a life-steal/health on hit effect?

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Here's your heavy update, bro.

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So a madmilk shotgun?

It's actually a decent idea.
You'll trade healing your med for self heals and damage.
Which is a better trade than shotgun/sandwich

Make him have 4 weapon slots, so he can have sandvich and shotguns.

>b4nny has 5 inch/360
>Still outsnipes invite players

Does sens even matter?

Less heal recovery though. 60% is too much.

It's all about comfort user.
I like having a very high sens. Some wants it low.
Whatever suits you, B4nny said it himself too.

Also give back his 50% heal from picking up his own dropped sandvich.

>add second secondary slot for lunchboxes and space boots

>space boots: press jump while crouching to perform a massively high jump (just high enough to reach the battlements on 2fort from the ground) that doesn’t cause the user any damage. 6 second recharge.

Remove soldiers Banners and give them to Heavy
Soldier gets nerfed so he isn't the greatest pick and Heavy is considered more often for pushes
it would also be fun to see soldier tards like Soundsmith cry about how they can't be an unstoppable killing machine

>As a pyro

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as a pyro your opinion does not matter

If that's the trade off that you want to make, that's fine. But I do want you to acknowledge that you have have nobody to blame but yourself when you greedily choose to use a food item in place of a shotgun when you gotta run forward to a good fortified spot where you can rev up your minigun.

Let me give you one more example. You're on Blu, first stage of Dustbowl, and the first control point is captured, you just need to capture this one control point in the pic I posted and you're off to stage 2. On top of all this, you're playing Heavy. Your team's Engineer has a base in that enclosed area behind the one-way door, so you don't even have to worry about getting that far on your own, you just use a teleporter to get there.

So now you just have to go through the one-way door, down the stairs, and the control point is right there. It's easier said than done, if you rev up and walk out through the one-way door you will be either sniped or get a barrage of rockets and grenade pipes thrown at you. I'm going to tell you frankly that if you aren't ubercharged, they are going to stop you from just walking revved to the control point.

But you know what? If you're smart, you can slowly work your way through with a shotgun, staying relatively mobile, and then as soon as you're standing on the control point that is a good fortified spot, where you no longer need to move, to switch to Minigun and when any enemies come around to contest the control point you can just mow them down as they are forced to enter your fortified position. You win!

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What if heavy could have all the consumables on him at once

I would unironically be okay with this. Make current banners cosmetic items and then give Heavy the actual functioning item.

Give him a food weapon slot, reduce the amount of chomping it takes to eat his food, or give him back his 50% heal from picking up his own dropped sandvich. Increase movement speed while revved up across the board for every minigun by 10%. Could probably use even more shit but it wouldn't be enough.

Unnerf the GRU as well. Idk. I'm not gonna do Valve's job for them.

Revert the GRU nerfs and you'd put Heavy in a much better place

>Heavy received endless nerf after nerf
>Spy has been buffed with powerful weapons endlessly for 12 years

Really makes you think

Please tell me you're trolling with post.
No way you say shotgun should be used AND use Dustbowl as an exemple

How about a single melee weapon for him that isn't just a meme?

To be fair Spy is still really bad unless you got a team that eats glue all day

Allow lunchboxes to be equiped in either Secondary or Primary
Change the Buffalo Steak Sandvich so you don't instantly die when using it.

Comp does not matter. Do not balance the game around comp.

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>TFC boomers STILL seething that TF2 doesn't have grenades
Are they right?
reddit.com/r/Games/comments/baktu0/team_fortress_classic_turns_20_today_bunnyhopping/ekcws8f/

Only a retard would believe walking into that point with a shotgun and expecting to have time to switch to minigun is anything but a fantasy

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>encouraging fatscunt bullshit

Shotgun/cannon heavy who has a bit more speed but a bit less health

Basically a meaty scout but demo an speed

No, they're not. Let them seethe.

Fortress Forever came out like a month before TF2, it had nades, and still everyone moved to TF2 when the Orange Box came out

They have been crying about it for over 10 years and I am surprised they still cry

Why would you need grenades when you have random crits?

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Even though it would be clunky af maybe something as simple as a default headshot/backstab resistance. Instead of an instant kill Heavy just goes to some absurdly low HP.

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No. TFC's balance is even worse than TF2's.

Engineer here
we need to ban random crits right now
One time I died to one. What the fuck? It's bad. No I'm not gonna play on nocrit servers. YOU have to change

>Played TFC
>Tried to play it like TF2
>Shoot rockets at my own teammates to spycheck them
>They get juggled by ally rockets
>Hear "Soldier, please stoooooooooopppppp shooting me" over voice chat

Uninstalled right after that game.

Headshot resistance should be a given, it's absolute bullshit that the class with the slowest speed and zero movement abilities (outside of GRU) is more susceptible to OHKs than every other.

Backstab resistance I disagree with though. It's an either/or situation; Spy either gets the kill with one move, or he doesn't because every Heavy is gonna 180 and mow him down the moment the first strike fails anyway.
A good Heavy should be encouraged to develop highly sensitive situational awareness, and being prepped for Spy rape is a fast-track to gaining that

I feel like sniper should have a general nerf. In addition to indirectly buffing heavy it'd make spies feel less useless, and pub games where one autistic sniper main is stomping your team would feel a lot less awful to play.

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This thread is evidence as to why Valve shouldn't listen to any of you. Buncha zoomers who are bad at the game, who don't understand it, and want to inadvertently ruin a game that has stood the test of time because of how it is.

>join casual pub
>see friendly heavy on other team
>kill him repeatedly until he leaves the server
Never gets old. If you want to stand around go to a trade server you retarded fuck.

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>unironically linking to reddit
I bet you're one of those faggots that starts threads with twitter screencaps. Genuinely hope you're hit by a bus, you miserable cunt.

You should never listen to the community when it comes to balancing period. The only thing you should take away from them is ideas, all the balancing should always come from inside the dev team.
Unless it's some ridiculous shot like a weapon that can 1 hit kill people because you didn't test a particular scenario enough or didn't think of a particular scenario, don't listen to the community.

To be honest I let them be friendly just so their team has one teammate down and possibly a teammate that will give me a sandvich. But if one or a few of my teammates joins him then its time to kill him

Give him a gun that slows down enemies on hit.

Literally what the fuck would be the point of natascha without the slow effect and damage resist you fucking baiting retard?
>haha i'm sure to be praised for intentionally using the minigun that does a quarter less damage and takes a third longer to spin up because i just wanna go easy on these guys haha
even as bait that's the dumbest shit i have ever heard next to the guy who honest to god thinks fire should do no damage in tf2 based on the jarate logic of 'if the game says being covered in piss makes you want to die which is why you're marked for death, then being on fire should function the same'

>want to play [class]
>go [class]
>get fucking owned
>have to revert to a class I'm good at but don't even main or enjoy to win
I fucking hate demoman but he's far too effective

trdsdsa

based

it does in so far that every person has a sweet spot. find yours. Ive got an like 12inch-360, but i mostly play milsims and have a gigantic mousepad.

If Heavy's secondaries were either the sandwich or your banner of choice, which would be superior?

>muh 540 dps primary when you're shoving the minigun up someone's ass

because that happens all the time in realistic situations

Great, so you know that the minigun is insane at short ranges. How could you utilize that? Perhaps with all of the corners that the map has?

A single melee weapon that isn't a meme. And a laundry list of other changes as well.

Ahahaha

Eat your banana fucking fatass faggot

>miserable cunt
projecting

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>the pubshitter is mad that he keeps getting dunked on by snipers because he can't watch his lines of sight
Protip: you would have been headshot if you were using the shotgun, too

>always carrying as a power class cos 90% of pubs are retard central (or just stacked because of shitty matchmaking)
>land that one server where there's someone else taking up the slack
>finally get to chill out as Sniper
>3 kills in and some turbo-autist switches to shut me and the rest of the team down with his Shooting Star and faggotty Unusuals, the living embodiment of 'No fun allowed'

Every time

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Reminder to kill all friendlies on sight. They are distracting, and they are telling their teams exactly where your buildings are / which paths are not defended.

>130 hours as Engineer
>128 hours as Medic
You made me this way.

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Sniper mains are more obnoxious than Soldier mains but nobody says anything

>lmao just avoid 90% of the map until one of your braindead pick class teammates gets the idea to pick the sniper

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>heavy player calling anyone else braindead
Oh the irony

>spy youtuber trying to record while trickstabbing everyone
>dominating him as heavy
>"kick user, he's cheating"
>"kick the heavy"
>no one kicks
>we win
>he immediately leaves

>name is heavy weapons guy
>still knocked around as easily as a scout

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t. UncleDane

I barely even play heavy, pubstomper snipers are just annoying to deal with on any class that isn't scout or spy, especially on maps like Harvest and Suijin.

>See a Spy run up some stairs as I'm chasing him
>Stop at the base of the stairs
>He jumps backwards like a fucking idiot looking for his trickstab
>Crit him with wrench
>"How did you predict that?"

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His name is heavy weapons guy because his specialty is heavy weapons, not because he's heavy.

Kek I had this happen to me, only after his attempt at votekicking me I initiated one against him and he got the boot

Dumb ass Spyhards understimate how acute a Heavy main's awareness is

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This. Sweaty sniper mains need to fuck off. They literally take all fun out of the game.

Except he literally doesn't get knocked around as much. Havok physics make heavy and soldier the most knockback resistant classes, you can easily observe this on a tr map.

This
I trusted a heavy once
seemed friendly enough
once his team pushed into attack the previously friendly heavy pulled his minigun out and started mowing us down. Never trust a friendly

>See a Spy run up some stairs as I'm chasing him
>Stop at the base of the stairs
>He jumps backwards like a fucking idiot looking for his trickstab
>he facestabs you from 10 feet away because of the lag compensation

Let me equip the family business and a banana at the same time, please

what youtuber?

he's a pretty fuckin big guy though, lookatim

This is what I've been thinking. Just straight up take the banners away from Soldier and give them to Heavy

TFC is also fun but it's even more broken then TF2 and grenades were partly the reason.
Yes, grenade jumping was rad but having every 1v1 match end with some fag suiciding ain't worth it.

Sniper ruins the entire game and doesn't deserve to exist in his current state. Holy shit what a filthy fag enabler class.

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>stickyjumper
>caber
it is literally that easy

>will never ever get moderately experienced at spy because every game there's either 3 people on my team hogging the class or a single guy with more than two braincells on enemy team and you're useless
>playing sniper is a once in a blue moon situation due to similar reasons
>after two minutes of play there's 4 other snipers anyway
Oh boy, it's time to play soldier again since nobody's near the point! Shooting feet to win never stops being exciting!

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>spy tries to trick stab me like a complete moron
>kill him and taunt
>wooooow, you taunted
Do i really need to deserve a taunt?

Are you some kind of time traveler? Caber was nerfed to absolute shit
your better off just using the grenade launchers

This to an extent.
Sniper makes Spy entirely useless, forces Heavy to be a pure defense class with no breathing room and can generally shutdown people too hard.

If a TF3 is ever made they should remake the Sniper to have a Midrange Railgun that has a limit to how far the weapon can reach.

Unless you have a medic bitch on you 24/7 or you only got the kill because of some bullshit reason you always deserve to taunt at an enemy who died

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Immunity from headshots.

>Nobody posted it yet
Fucking hell

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>turn yourself into a pick class to counter one guy
>when almost your entire team is already pick classes

>Mmph Mphmph!

>whack sniper with caber
>turns and critkills with kukuri
>WHOOOSH 1/125hp
problem is people don't trust the caber. ditch the sticky launcher for jumper, equip hp boots, and go all or nothing with caber. jumper and boots help you not die on the initial hit and pretty much any sort of damage will kill the sniper after the initial hit. suicide after the kill so you can be midair back to the sniperspot when they exit their spawn

Hopefully, we can all agree Quake Team Fortress is superior to TF2? Because it's objectively wrong to say no.

>heavy mains

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Stop shooting feet and start shooting flying guys. I can't think of anything I find more satisfying.

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>there's no prize for second place
>gets the best new item of the update and the only one that wasn't intentionally made to be barely usable trash

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>cringe pyro main tries to copy someone else's funny meme
secondhand embarrassment for you

from whence are you insinuating that I play heavy you fucking retard

Cringe, I'm gonna post this in every TF2 thread I see just to spite you

>that aspect ratio

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Going to be honest user, if you want to learn a class just play the class you want despite team comp. Some games I deliberately choose not to focus on winning and become the 3rd spy/sniper just to keep my skills sharp.
>Sniper mains can never know the joy of walking to the enemy back lines and silently mowing down baby engi nests and players trying to walk to the point as fat spy

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No, sorry. A game being old and outdated doesn't make it better.

>giving him ammo
gj retard

That tends to happen when the class itself is a broken mess with an identity crisis not really understanding what it even fucking is.

JI was fine but what Pyro needed was to be reworked from the ground up instead of a couple of stat changes and fixing bugs that should've been fixed since 2007. It wasn't remotely worth the wait.

Heavy update (if it's even happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve just quietly cancelled all development and called it quits) is going to be a better update (still not worth the wait) simply because Heavy is a class whose role work. Maybe you don't like said role but he functions exactly as the devs and game intended, which is something Pyro and to a slightly lesser extent Spy will never have unless a TF3 happens.

Not based. The engineer one was funny because of it specifically being an engineer that was actually getting frags with his fucking shotgun and wrench. Not to mention the over editing of the entire thing. This is just generic pyro gameplay with minimal editing.

Revert TF2 to before they started adding all these new weapons and cosmetics. There, I just fixed the whole game.

>dragon's fury will never be buffed

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I hate playing Soldier because he's just too good

Soldierfags and Demofags ruined the game. See, he only seems weak to you because this game is meant to be a group effort and he's the most aid-dependent of them all; once you have that aid, though, he's a very good pusher.

Simple: I'd give him kevlar + helmet.

>Kevlar reduces splash damage from Soldier and Demo

>Helmet reduces headshot damage

He can recover his armour by walking over an ammo pack or going to a dispenser.

Kill yourself, Zoomers. For the players who played in my era 99-05 competitively, we were made promises as to what TF2 would be. Year after year after year. You will notice the pop ups this month for TFC birthday. Basically we were lied to and used as guinea pigs for Steam. Then we got rewarded with a game made for 10 year olds. They had already dumbed down TFC due to the complaining of a small handful of players who most of us at the time never even heard of. Its not the game, its the entire premise of TF2. It represents a big fat FUKKKYU to those of us who commited alot of time to the game during its inception and even after that dreadful 1.4 patch.

>Pyro was a decent class for like 4 days
>Everyone cried about
>All the changes have been reverted like nothing happen
Why not just remove him from the game at this point?

Seems like it could be very broken but I like the idea of seeing a youtuber that is a soldier main whine for days about how hes getting spit roasted by two armored heavies

This.

It would give Heavy a viable alternative to the Sandvich. Instead of self-healing and keeping your medic healthy, you charge up damage for 10 seconds of either minicrits, resistances, or self-healing/speed. When you think about it, they're actually perfect for the Heavy. Just imagine a team rallying around a slow-moving Heavy, pushing an objective. Soldier can jump away, as is his job. Heavy fits the role of "team anchor" with the banners much better than Soldier does. If them being OP is your concern, then just realize that getting 600 damage built up without dying as heavy can actually be pretty tough if you don't have a sandvich.

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This, TF2 is shit
>WACKY ZANY STEREOTYPICAL PIXAR REJECTED CHARACTERS.
>Humour got irritatingly old quick.
>It isn't fast paced. Consolized, like most FPS' after 2005.
>Item whoring / hats.
>Immature feeling about it and community.

Shut the fuck up boomer

Slow characters very rarely work in an FPS game, unless you buff them to the point of them being cancer. Soldier for instance would be trash without rocket jumping.

So the solution is to make Heavy faster.

- Remove minigun rev up
- Remove movement penalty while firing
- Reduce minigun damage to compensate for these changes.

Might need a health tweak too after that, the balance would need some time to work out, but that's how you fix Heavy.

Soldier mains, M1+M2 Demos, scunts, and Sniper mains ruin the game, prove me wrong
>pro-tip: you can't

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ability to destroy/deflect rockets with a punch

what if you gave heavy 100 extra health and nothing else?

go back to the old folks home, gramps

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>t. zoomers assmad that someone dares to say their favorite game is shit
TF2 is the Fortnite of the late 2000s

Back to your daycare, zoomer.

I go after them for the free head as eyelander demoknight

As much at that is the case, TF2 was also the first time some classes really came into their own niche. For example the scatter gun was a really good addition to the scout class, allowing for his mobility to grab high damage burst shots instead of consistent sustained damage.

>>WACKY ZANY STEREOTYPICAL PIXAR REJECTED CHARACTERS.
What type of Pixar movie have you watched where there is a trash talking boston loudmouth, a drunk scottish demolitions expert and down to earth texan engineer?
>>Consolized, like most FPS' after 2005.
Have you even TOUCHED the console versions of TF2? It's fucking horrible, sticky and rocket jumping is next to impossible on it meaning that any mobility it had other than straight movement speed is instantly negated.

That's bullshit and you know it. There's nothing confusing about the Pyro's role as a close range combat class or why all four of his new unlocks are horrible pieces of shit that serve only to actively hinder him by wasting one or more of his weapon slots.

Weak man need no buff to kill counters.
cry some more.

Dragon's Fury and the Thermal Thruster both had good ideas, allowing the pyro class to deal high bursts of damage in exchange for range and a way to reposition himself faster than most other of his unlocks (Detonator is fine for high places but it doesn't give you the gap closing for example). The problem is implementation and the community not getting gud. Why oh why they nerfed the D-fury instead of tweaking it to make it overall better I have no fucking idea why.

>TF2 was also the first time some classes really came into their own niche. For example the scatter gun was a really good addition to the scout class, allowing for his mobility to grab high damage burst shots instead of consistent sustained damage.
That was a good change, but that and the medigun were the only improvements. Everything else was downgraded and casualized.

Now that people are going TFC vs TF2 again, why did TF2 change the CP gamemode so much? I way prefer the old CTF style Control Points.

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Could you imagine how garbage it would be to play Scout if his primary weapon was, presumably, just a buffed version of Sniper's SMG? The entire flow of his playstyle would be terrible and imagine how hard it would be to kill a Medic from 100% hp who is bobbing and weaving around avoiding a good amount of the damage you're putting out. More likely than not, I'm pretty sure most classes be able to kill you before you could kill them. Hell, it would probably take a full reload to kill a Heavy from full health.

I don't even want to imagine that or think of any other game that would have that TERRIBLE of an idea for a fast, low-health character.

BRING BACK MY AMBASSADOR
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Shut the fuck up boomer

>Could you imagine how garbage it would be to play Scout if his primary weapon was, presumably, just a buffed version of Sniper's SMG?

He would play pretty similarly to Tracer from overwatch. It wouldn't be that bad unless you had shitty tracking skills.

>Fortress Forever came out like a month before TF2, it had nades, and still everyone moved to TF2 when the Orange Box came out
Because a mod obviously is going to get the exact same attention by normalfags as a fully fledged retail game made by one of the most beloved gaming companies at the time.

I don't mind it being casualized as much as I would like a modern version of Quake TF with some of the quality of life improvements the other TF mods and games brought to the table. It was new, it was different and it has been what has allowed it to stay relevant as long as it has with the amazing mod support it has had over the years. Don't get me wrong, TF had ALWAYS had good mod support due to the nature of the origins of the damn thing, but TF2 brought unprecedented mod support.

Whatever the case, I'm glad Brotherhood of arms never saw the light of day. Complain about TF2's artstyle and general gameplay, at least it wasn't a milsim that didn't look to take full advantage of the TF's classes.

>There's nothing confusing about the Pyro's role as a close range combat class
It is when Scout does that but infinitely better so they had to rework the Flamethrower to have support/utility options which still don't make him that good.

Pyro is an abush class but that don't mean shit when anyone can "ambush" and two classes The Scout and the fucking Spy (which is literally the weakest class in the game) does the "ambush" gimmick better then Pyro ever could.

Everybody has a fit about pyro for everything that no matter what Valve does people will complain
Its not even hard to kill a pyro

>spy is somehow still the worst class in the game
I miss when stock cloak wasn't jet engine level on volume.i just want to go back to ruining snipers every second of every day. Also fuck spawn wall hacks

Sounds like you need to practice your pistol aim user, it can make a huge difference.

>does the "ambush" gimmick better then Pyro ever could.

Except for when Pyro flanks with the Backburner or with an activated Phlog and mows down an entire group of enemies

honestly smg scout sounds kinda fun provided the weapon has serious spread/falloff.

Spawn wall hacks are really dumb. You would think they could at least make it so that spies don't show up.

give him damage resistance when revved across all miniguns

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thats the exception not the rule user, its why pyro is so shit, his flamethrower does like zero damage for no reason.

>spy is somehow still the worst class in the game
Not "somehow" having a stealth character an arena FPS with friendly fire off was doomed from the start. When turning around or using your brain is the meta of defeating a class, it's a shit class.

Spy NEEDS to be reworked to a debuff class at this point. Otherwise he will never be good.

>Caber was nerfed to absolute shit
>user doesn't know you can just pick up another weapon after using it and negate any downsides

a short-barreled autocannon
>slow firing
>non-hitscan, but fast projectile
>small splash damage area
>loadsa damage
>has a magazine of perhaps 10 rounds, the last round is best used to launch yourself into cover

Sapper alternatives that aren't designed around engineer's buildings could help significantly with that.

Shut the fuck up, boomer. LE GENERIC MILITARY SHOOTER COMMANDER CLASS TF2 was trash and forgettable.

>spy will never have a gun like the vaccinator that lets him shoot different debuffs at people
Why bother playing

lots of retards here have no idea how to balance a game

>just give him more health/damage bro

yeah that might make him more "balanced" but it would make him aids to fight against. what he needs is to be less of a sitting duck at all times, every character has/should have a weakness but heavy's weakness is too great to make him worth using. it's why competitive teams only use the mobile characters, being stationary is a death sentence against anyone with a brain

they need to get away from this weird idea they have that spy should only be using his knife to get picks, the weapon is simply too unreliable a tool, even when you remove the common occurance of hit reg not working and your stab whiffing. The concept of suiciding for a single key pick isnt valuable at all, its why they really should rework the dead ringer to be a knife focused watch, something like -75% ammo for revolver or something, since it stops gun spies from abusing the fuck out of it and gives knife spies a second chance to be useful. also bring back the old YEW, i hate the new one.

>Volvo invents banners
>rewards high DMG class with buffs/mini-crits, ideal for team pushes and players who stick closest to objectives
>gives it exclusively to a class that predominantly roams

What the FUCK were they thinking?

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>Still needs to actually walk to an ambush route
>Run speed is completely average
>Very limited mobility/escape options
>Needs to be assrape close to the enemy to deal decent damage
Scout is the fastest class.
Spy is the second fastest class and an invisi watch
Soldier can Rocket Jump.
Demo can Sticky jump.
All of them can deal damage from a distance more reliably.

Pyro is a shit ambush class.

all of them also deal roughly if not more dps at point blank range, which is pyros ONLY range. pyro needs a massive dps increase, plain and simple.

I thought Medic is the second fastest class

I've been screaming this shit into the abyss since 2011 but Valve doesn't give a shit.

Glad people are realizing this though. Maybe if more people scream at the abyss with me the Tf Team will actually work on the game and do something actually smart for once.

medic used to be but they buffed spy to be faster than him for obvious reasons.

Spy and Medic have the same run speed however I don't recommend Medic to go off on his own like Spy.

>second highest health pool
>amazing choke spam and knockback
>high damage direct hits
>predominantly roams
uuuhhh???

Where Pyro lacks in upclose damage, Pyro excels at CONSISTENTLY dealing upclose damage because you really don't need to aim to light people on fire. You do have to aim with Scout, even at close range and I know you have missed meaty point-blank shots before and feel terrible about it.

>LE GENERIC MILITARY SHOOTER COMMANDER CLASS TF2 was trash and forgettable.
How exactly is it "generic"? Were you even alive when it was announced? There was literally nothing like it at the time, it was only after BoA got cancelled thatgames like Battlefield and CoD became a thing.
Then again, considering you enjoy TF2, you have to be pretty retarded.

If you have friends, Try a sniper heavy combo. Its a ton of fun to countersnipe retards trying to headshot your heavy bro, and he'll keep you protected from basically anything. And if you can get a medic and pyro buttbudy with you, you're an unstoppable combo

Congrats user, you essentially explained why Pyro is the noobkiller character akin to K. Rool.

He's good if you literally are just playing the game for the first time but after a dozen hours most people realize Scout does the whole ambush shit better and Pyro is at best an annoyance class meant for spamming flares and reflects.

assuming youre posting at me here You are correct but he still doesent have the damage to kill the classes hes supposed to counter (demo soldier) unless you seriously outskill your opponent with a point blank reflect, but ever since they nerfed pyro by making it so you take minicrit damage on reflected rockets as well (WHY, best part of pyro play was reflect jumping) youre still liable to die as well. Pyros pick equation is the same as spys, the risk is simply not worth the reward in most senarios. hell the best thing you can do as a pyro these days is spam scorch shot/detonator at the group making sure the entire enemy team is constantly debuffed with fire.

>taking that long to taunt

Absolutely disgusting

you and me both user, spy will never be good even though i have 2k hours as him.

Shut the fuck up boomer

I have 2000 hours as Soldier, and I very rarely use the banners. I always prefer the gunboats or the shotguns to the banners, and it's precisely for the reason that other classes do the job of "spamming choke points with knockback" better. Soldiers are for bombing, roaming, and aggressive, in your face tactics since that deals the most damage. Rockets have damage falloff, making them rather useless at long rage. Demo's pipes and stickies always do semi-consistent damage, especially the pipes, and he has more of them at his disposal than Soldier. That's why banners would be better suited for a "groundtank" class like Heavy.

Pyro is "babies first TF2 class" and his lack of needing to aim and new people tending to choke faster when under fire is why you see so many new people complain about him.

He's the beginner class. The class everyone loves first but then most people move on from.

>provided there happens to be another demoman dead nearby with his melee out
>which isn't the eyelander, persuader, claidheamh mor or zatoichi since you will likely keep your sticky launcher
>nor pain train for that bullet weakness
I think demo needs a few weapons for his melee that aren't meme knight.

It's almost like boring trash like BoA would have been washed away by the flood of similar competition instead of garnering a unique following for standing out and taking risks. I can't imagine actually wanting such boring shit like a TF game without rocket jumping, miniguns, or even boomer shit like conc grenades or nailguns. What you wanted was a piece of shit and I'm glad it's dead and forgotten.

agreed. banners are mostly noobtraps or for when you are the front line becuase your team is shit

>Slightly increase movement speed
>Make minigun rev up slightly faster, have a much tighter and harder to aim spread, Can jump while firing
>If you jump while firing your bullets push you back
Another idea i had that would probably be too much, Is your minigun acting as a shield, Attacking the minigun reduces ammo but doesnt damage the heavy at all.

So many people carry all class melee to the point this hardly even matters.

>can jump while firing

Broken.

>You are wrong
>SHUT UP NANANANANANANANANANANANA
Great arguments, not even a boomer lmao

completely agree with you but ive always enjoyed pyro, especially since I got my detonator, the movement potential it gives you makes the class so much more fun
>dustbowl attack 2nd map right at the beginning
>after the opening salvo is finished immediately detonator jump into the buildings window and start fucking the engineer

Yep, and the location of the "aura" for the banners is more consistent with Heavy. He can't go anywhere quick, and he's a big, meaty anchor for you to identify and rally around. Soldier can rocket jump away in a split second, carry his aura with him.

How about a minigun that fires twice as fast as the default one but has lower dmg and no random crits and it can only be mini-crited

Shut the fuck up boomer

Soldier and demoman are the true problems. They upset the delicate balance between the rest of the game.

At least one fewer explosive weapon would do the game a world of good.

the only aura i ever use is the concheror for the speed boost, in certain maps it can make a huge difference

Fuck the boomer, shut up.

>Your game is shit! I wish we would have gotten this even worse game instead!

Just once think before you speak

To be clear I don't hate Pyro. I think he's fun.
I'm shitting on him because I genuinely want him to be better and Valve has no idea what they're doing so all I have left is eternally screaming until maybe hopefully Valve will do something.

Same with Spy who is weaker.

>no random crits
fuck off valve
'no random crits' does not balance anything, and is an irrelevant downside on most servers that have random crits disabled anyway

Yeah, even with a medic the conch is good for that speed buff.

500 HP

>It's almost like boring trash like BoA would have been washed away by the flood of similar competition instead of garnering a unique following for standing out and taking risks.
Again, there was nothing like it out at the time and it would take until 2002 that games like Battlefield 1942 came out. There was nothing like BoA at the time.
>I can't imagine actually wanting such boring shit like a TF game without rocket jumping
And who says it wouldn't have Rocket Jumping? Counter Strike has bunnyhopping and that game followed a realistic style as well.
>miniguns
And? It had a machine gun, you'd have to be actually autistic if that bothers you
>or even boomer shit like conc grenades or nailguns.
Which the final TF2 also didn't have?

Anybody know any maps to help me get better at shooting pills as demo? He’s really fun but fuck me I can’t hit shit

Bring back parkinson's pyro.

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completely agree with you m8. Valve seem to have zero idea how to balance the game, as evidenced by them balancing the game around 6s. Not shitting on 6s as a concept, but it has no place as the pillar around which the game is built since teams of 6 really dont work for the game, as it forces you to only bring what is absolutely necessary to the fight. You cant bring a sniper becuase that means that you lose out of that valuable slot for a roaming soldier/scout who have nearly the same pick potential but dramatically more surviability.

>start playing tf2 3 years ago
>started maining sniper
>today
>constantly topscore pubs and hit the most infuriating shots

Sniper feels so good bros, I feel absolutely justified in shutting down entire teams by myself and taunting afterwards after being shat on for a good year and a half.

Also protip to people that get angry (and this is coming from the saltiest cunt in the game), it helps to consider other players as npcs, not as a fair challenge or shit.
These days, I have chat deactivated, nohats mod, plus a few othee tgings to get the full pve experience.

woah he was like 5ft away sick dood

it comes out in like zero time too, you only need like 500 damage or something to get the buff

Conch is fantastic. Passive regen is a godsend for Soldier because you're going to be constantly taking damage if you want to rocketjump and you'll be constantly taking damage being in peoples' faces. The activated speed boost really has two benefits, 1.) for quickly getting back to combat after retreating for health and 2.) it really feels like an ultimate ability because people in pubs just can't handle a fast Soldier who sustains.

Do you want to be gunned down fast as fuck without even notice where they were shooting you? Also think about it, say you have this weapon and a friend healing you with the kritzkrieg and the weapon allows full crits and also random crits, it would be a murder machine

tr_walkway

And why would it be worse? You know what, don't say why. You obviously don't even know what you are talking about. TF2 has rotten your brain.
BoA was unlike anything anyone had ever seen before at the time and the mechanics it boasted were far more advanced than anything in the final game.
TF2 is a shit game only updated to sell hats to retards who like to suck gabe's dick.

Battlefield 1942 would have completely made your game irrelevant and it would have been the death of the franchise because of that. 1942 would have absolutely won in any competition between to two.

>Brotherhood of arms was designed to be a milsim to its core, rocket jumping and bunnyhopping would not have flown in the forced realism
>Miniguns are more fun than source engine's blocky generic 80s mounted machinegun don't be fucking dense, retard
>Ignoring the point

>Gameplay would be radically different than the gameplay in traditional Team Fortress games. Many unrealistic elements, such as Rocket jumping and the Minigun, would be removed.
Since you don't seem to know a lot, you can go ahead and just look up all the information on this game, it wouldn't have been anything like TF2 or even Counter Strike. It would have been shit that would have been swept away by Call of Duty or Battlefield, better alternatives that would have utterly made BoA look like irrelevant trash.

In other words, shut the fuck up boomer.

I love juggle maps like tr_juggle

gamebanana.com/maps/186694

I've only seen scouts and demos with any reskins or stock weapons out.
Everyone else has something better, even scout has a free utility in atomizer and that bleed wrapping paper. Scouts carry pan because of loud noises, but FASTER than anyone else.
>sold has whip and esc plan
>pyro has powerjack, engiejack and medicfuckoff-jack
>heavy has fos and holiday punch, and allclass weps don't allow for a tauntkill
>engie has jag and gunslinger
>medic has ubersaw
>sniper has the combo weapon better at close range than entirety of pyro class
>spy

I used to play at a very high sens (probably 4in/360) when I used to aim with my wrist (so my arm was off the table), but when I got a larger desk and mousepad, I started lowering my sens and started iaming with my arm.
So it's possible to play with both, but make sure that it makes sense.

no random crits is a huge buff to spy since you dont die instantly every time a medic 1 shots you with melee. other than that i dont really have an opinion on it

Are there any playstyles that are still fun due to not having their weapons/loadouts nerfed into oblivion by Valve? Only thing I can think of is market gardner soldier but even then that gets boring after a while.

>especially since I got my detonator, the movement potential it gives you makes the class so much more fun
until you learn to rocket jump properly

demoknight
phlog + scorch shot pyro
liberty launcher + buff banner soldier

weapon that does bonus damage to enemies that are above him. Aiming your gun upwards does extra damage, but less for horizontal/lower targets.

99% of the loadouts in the game are still fun, so I can't sympathize with you there, but there's no excuse for the amby/cleaver/sandman nerfs.

I guess you could try out the diamondback spy since that'll definitely be nerfed in the next update.

>there's no excuse for the amby/cleaver/sandman nerfs

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I'm unironically looking forward to it

Those mechanics didn't exist and even Valve admitted to the entire concept not working at all. Your opinion is outdated and irrelevant.

>people arguing over balance when they could rocketjump, free of any balance patch
(except that one time for demo)
Take the jumppill, anons.
youtu.be/0pH-bcsLEdo

Cleaver should still crit stunned targets. I agree with the enemy still being able to fire their weapons, but pulling off a sandman/guillotine combo took skill.

Amby was never a problem for me since I'm actually good at the game.

Team Fortress 2 is the greatest multiplayer game ever created

>as a pyro

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Lol that retard enjoying a critically-acclaimed game that's been the standard for PC shooters for a decade. Fucking zoomers am I right fellow oldfag?

fucking disgusting

I don't care, you're a sniper faggot that ruins games and I pray every day for the miracle that would be your class getting gutted

>Those mechanics didn't exist
How would you know?
>Valve admitted to the entire concept not working at all
Valve is the same company who removed maps because they were "too confusing for new players" and added all kinds of unbalanced bullshit weapons to the game. I wouldn't trust them.
Black Panther is critically acclaimed, doesn't mean it's a good movie

Rank the classes by their mains from most likeable to most insufferable.

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Well, if it makes you feel better, I probbaly won't ever touch sniper again if they nerf any of his movement/shooting.

seething

Just revert the minigun nerf. It was fine the way it was before. Corner jumping was the only skill involved in playing heavy and now it's useless. Literally every other class except medic has higher DPS than the heavy.

Medic
Soldier
Spy
Engineer
Heavy
Demo
Scout
Pyro
Sniper

>cool
Engi
Medic
Heavy

>either cool or faggot
Demo
Soldier
Pyro
Scout

>faggot
Sniper
Spy

>complete cancer
Friendly

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>Spy kills 4 people on the payload cart and runs away before anyone realizes it

Why won't my teammates just turn around when they hear death

>New Heavy minigun
>can destroy pills and rockets
>but you get dealt 20% more explosive damage

There I fixed him.

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>hellish helmet
>secondary slot
>removes the ability to be headshot at the expense of only having your primary and melee
I mean, just an idea

>>can destroy pills and rockets
people need to stop posting this shit idea

Engineer
Heavy
Demo
Pyro
Medic
Scout
Spy
Sniper
Soldier

Does it scare you, soldiermain?

Where did it come from in the first place? It's such a shit idea.

Although his idea is pretty shit because of how little it affects you, destroying rockets and pills doesn't sound like a bad idea because it will mean that soldiers can't just curbstomp everyone

where did the sniper main touch you?

Wait, this is bait, right? People actually wanted TF2:Brotherhood of Arms? A shitty source engine milsim with a low time-to-kill, paper-thin commander RTS class, a medic who can't fucking fight, all on a janky ancient fucking engine that desperately needed a new coat of paint? A milsim with hitscan weapons, no movement options, and generic realism counter strike rifles?

Its because in MvM as heavy you can buy an upgrade that lets you destroy projectiles

Yeah, and now Heavy will be the one curbstomping by significant levels of magnitude. I would go Heavy every time.

Which makes sense because rocket and pill spam in MvM is stupidly high, not in comp or regular pub games.

I rest my case.

Heavy is still slow as a truck and the stats would likely be way more severe than what the other user suggested. All he does it shoot down enemies projectiles but could also have a damage penalty or something. Reminder that Snipers will still BTFO him

Good work proving their point, dude.

Set up the party van.
Why did it die so early yesterday?

Why hasn't Engineer become the king of the game with his ability to destroy rockets and pills with the short circuit?

He needs a strong single fire weapon like all the classes have at the cost of 50 health and a slight speed increase. the thing is though what type of weapon could the heavy use that KEEPS the heavy weapons aspect while being able to be more mobile.

any ideas ?

It's almost like pyro's airblast and engi's short circuit has a cooldown + some kind of ammo/metal cost. Having a rapid fire anti-projectile weapon is game-breaking.

because the short circuit
>shoots a projectile and isn't hitscan
>can't shoot more than 3 balls with 200 metal
>it's a burst fire weapon while the minigun rapid-fire weapon with an ammo count of 200

Honestly sniper mains go from people like jbird to people like starykrow, wider speead on the obnoxious scale than people like soldier who are all vanilla boring type or pyroes who are all annoying cunts.

What if he had a heavy shotgun as a primary?

Kinda like how Pyro has the Dragon Fury. The Heavy could deal alot of damage with it and also be running.

QUESTION
Would giving heavy a dedicated 'food' slot make him too OP?

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Engineer
Medic
Heavy
Soldier
Demoman
Scout
Pyro
Sniper
Spy

It'd be a good idea but at the same time the Family Business is already pretty good.

Probably the Heavy having the abilty to heal himself without aid or the need to back off far from the frontlines would make his pressure at chokepoints and holds insane. Remember weaknesses breeds balance and good gameplay.

Shotgun would still go unused outside of "LE FAT SCOUT xD" memes, even though using a shotgun is the answer to all of the problems that people have when playing Heavy.

This is TF2, not Overwatch, we dont need a gun that does a million fucking things

Maybe, but I always thought having a 4th slot for every class would be interesting. I think Pyro's jetpack should be its own slot, as well as Demo's shields, and possibly Soldier's boots.

Heavy is the main character of the game.

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>class is gets some good weapons and buffs so he could actually accel at his job of being in close quarters with his targets
>everyone cries because said class is fulfilling its purpose like they're supposed to
There's no pleasing people. This is why Valve should never listen to the community for anything.

>Kinda like how Pyro has the Dragon Fury
The pyro doesn't have the Dragon's Fury.
It's a straight downgrade to the flamethrower, and a pretty big one at that.

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>Kremlin Kickers
shootgun replacement

hit the reload key to launch an enemy into the air and mark them for death while they are airborne

minigun spins up 50% faster on successful hit

>Laika
every bullet fired from your gun divisible by 50 can be fired behind you to propel you forward a bit

shoots 25% faster

25% less accurate

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Then you've no longer created side-classes, you've just turned everyone into abominations with straight upgrades

No, that's an awful idea. Classes would have too many options, and too many counters at their disposal. I don't want to see Snipers with a dedicated Razorback slot.

>mfw spy mains trying to trickstab
Lmao, i absolutely love focusing every single spy in the match while ignoring everyone else, and then watching them cry in chat.

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I know that banner image.

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I think the jetpack being its own slot would be good for Pyro, but nope to giving Solider and Demo a 4th slot. I think Pyro and Heavy having 4th slots could be something unique for them as non-generalist, power classes.

You're right, heavy is the weakest class.

Give him a temporary speed buff (gorbachov gloves suck now) or a dash with a cooldown

>every minigun now has a "heat" bar where the longer you shoot less accurate your gun becomes
>not shooting while rev up makes the heat go down slowly
>not being rev up makes it cool down faster
>all of soldier's banners are now transferred to Heavy
>melee only Heavy is unfucked
Done, just made Heavy a less braindead class that offers something to the team.

It's more the fact the sandvich is just so damn good in every situation, and cant really be nerfed without making it completely useless.

it's pretty gud against slow targets like Heavy

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Give him a minigun replacement that's meant for going Fat Scout

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Not him but I have 160 hrs in heavy, he is countered by too many classes, but still powerful if you have backup. I agree he needs more playstyles though

TRUST ME, IT ISN'T

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>enemy team has an obvious cheater, spinning in place at the speed of sound getting head shots
>they deny having one and refuse to kick him
>cheater calls you salty and bad

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report, requeue, and be graced with a "people you reported got banned" message later on

>Our team has a speedhacking Heavy with no minigun spread
>Go Medic and heal him

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>meatshots you
>congas
>steals your metal in Setup Time
>schaudenfreude's
>uses boston basher to hurt himself
>steals your health pack
>schaudenfreude's
>mEdIc!

Is there a more annoying class?

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>Backstab someone playing engie and trying to build a level 3 on defense right infront of BLU spawn
>They instantly switch to their soldier main setup and make it their life's goal to defend the team from you specifically

OK I'LL SAY IT
b4nny videos are my favorite

How about having his minigun (and other variants) firing as soon as you left click, but it starts off slow and increases its fire rate up to normal as you spin up? I think the only real issue is how terrible Heavy is when he gets caught unawares, and this would help Heavy at least stand a chance when he's out of position.

And I know that Shotgun is meant to be for that, but barely anybody runs it and there's plenty of other classes that have unlockables that invalidate stock options so whatever

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>no snipers and spies on the other team
>switch to Heavy
>mfw

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>blocks ur path

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JUST USE THE FUCKING TOMISLAV WHY DO YOU RETARDS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE SHOTGUN WHEN THE TOMISLAV IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SCENARIO

this is proof enough right here that the weapon needs to be buffed. Any faggot that argues otherwise needs to fuck off.

>playing Soldier
>someone goes medic halfway through
>close game, but we win
>say "great med" in the chat
>"medicmain" wants to be your friend
>mfw

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You know I've thought about it before and I can't decide how much of the apparent obnoxiousness of scout players is due to scout players actually being obnoxious and how much is due to scout himself being loud and obnoxious.

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The weapon was perfect at launch, and then the babies started crying it was OP. Valve needs to stop listening to the shitters when it comes to weapon balancing. The only reason it SEEMED OP was because everyone was playing pyro anyway, so a lot of people were on fire from the other pyros on your team.

jetpack

Engineer no longer has dispenser.
Put dispenser on Heavy's back.

Bam, Heavy is meta.

>fucking up the thing you gotta do will make you deal slightly less damage than stock

Who'dve'mst've thought it.

Meanwhile we got the 2 click sentry annihilator and his buddy the loch-n-load.

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>What is the Short Circuit

Sentry guns unironically need a buff. It's retarded how fast they die to anything.

Put his dick in my butt.

That's why the Wrangler exists.

Second engineer doesn’t hurt either

>Cover half your body with a wall while shooting
>stay with other teammates
There now Heavy is gud

make the wrangler buff the new default and just let the wrangler manually control the sentry

It's incredibly easy to miss with compared to the flamethrower, especially at close range, due in part to the variable fire rate that encourages you to lay on the trigger rather than waiting to fire when you actually have a shot lined up, which itself doesn't play nice with the fact that the weapon punishes you with reduced fire rate for missing.
Also not shown in that webm, the Dragon's Fury:
>can't spy check
>can't deal random crits
>only deals real damage to targets affected by afterburn, meaning any of the numerous afterburn counters will fuck it up
>has reduced afterburn duration
>has a 50% slower airblast speed
>is completely disabled from firing while the airblast recharges

>look! i can destroy 2 sentries not being maintained and kill a bot that's idle
stop posting this shit webm

Energy ball can't go through sentries and I don't like standing in front of/next to my sentry trying to hit his 4 rockets with my 3 energy balls praying a sniper or spy isn't alive so he doesn't destroy my sentry in the .6 seconds it takes to fire off 2 rockets.

>make sentry stop doing it's job to delay the soldier for 5.44 seconds assuming I've somehow spotted him before hand so he doesn't just destroy my sentry in .6 seconds while I am busy doing engineer things

If you use the loch-n-load you can actually damage the sentry faster than the engineer can swing his wrench 3 shotting it even when the engineer is turtling it.

Please, just make the direct hit deal 4% less damage against buildings. I'd like to look away from my buildings for at least 1.2 seconds instead of .6.

>implying the wrangler is balanced
youtube.com/watch?v=toxY8lHfs30
>hurr uncle dane
not an argument

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What the fuck are you doing where you’re so exposed as an engineer that a sniper has a line on you?

Trying to shoot my energy ball at the direct hit soldier.

>Scout with a pistol kills your sentry while corner peeking
>Every class can jump ontop of it and crouch walk around in a circle ontop of it to out-pace the auto-target and destroy it easy

Sentry gun is a worthless tool.

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Maybe don’t have your big fuck off sentry out in the line of fire of a sniper?

Monday Night Combat?

Nah, I like to put my sentry a little outward so the snipers waste their time attacking my sentry while I heal it.

lmao how tf is heavy weaker nigga just walk away from snipers and spies

>uncle dane

You're right, he's never made a good argument.

>Putting your sentry in unnecessary danger
>Putting YOURSELF in unnecessary danger
Man you deserve all the shit that comes to you

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>scout corner-peeking.
stop being dead so you can heal your shit.
>auto-aim issues
wrangler, or your own shotgun perhaps?

>Idiots build Sentry Guns to level 3 and not to just level 2 for smaller hitbox but the same DPS since rockets are unreliable
>Idiots don't just plop their Sentry down at complete random to surprise people

Would like the option to have a level 3 but deactivate the rockets

soldier
demo
medic
engi
spy
heavy
scout
pyro
sniper
Bottom three and top three were all difficult for me to pick, they're pretty close.

HO HO LET'S DO THIS TIKI STYLE

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>tfw suck at the game so this will never happen to me
I am forever destined to be the lonely medic, always getting top 5 on the scoreboard but I am as well not exist to the actual people getting the kills.

I matter
I MATTER

Problem: Heavy is good at his job but his job is lame and boring and it takes no skill to perform so nobody likes it even if it is useful.
Solutions?

>new universal ability for the heavy
>spinning up his minigun makes him block out pain, causing him to take less damage from all sources
>the damage resistance begins a few seconds after he spins up and increases the longer he spins, up to a cap
>the damage resistance is decreased by afterburn
>doesn't affect backstabs
thoughts?

That's a good idea, too.

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Banners are amazing on the soldier if you're playing highlander

>>doesn't affect backstabs
Would that even matter though? Backstabs do six times the current health anyway.

>liked Scout's playstyle since staring up the game
>get called a cunt for maining him
I dont do any of the shitty things asshat Scout mains do, why am I getting hit with ridicule because I enjoy playing him?
no I dont have binds, no I dont use chat outside of telling my team important info, and no I dont taunt after kills no matter the situation.

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A good scout is just generally annoying as fuck, especially on casual servers where every so often one of the long range potshots gets turned into a crit.

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Scout himself is an obnoxious cunt. Not like his playstyle or anything but his character, and that's what people see and hear.
wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/7/7a/Scout_laughlong02.wav

>aspect ratio

Just bantz bro, every class main has at least a couple negative stereotypes about them. Too be honest I don't even see many lime scouts or Anger wearing snipers.

This, you can be the most chill dude ever, but scout as a character would negate all that and everyone will hate you forever and ever and ever.

No

What is the negative stereotype of medic players

Attempts to control the team even if they’re doing alright. Thinks he’s above everyone because he can heal them. Basically a giant egomaniac who is possibly gay

entitlement or being a Soldier's pocket GF

Hah! made yer ugleh you look!

heavy's a delicate situation because a tank with 300hp and a minigun can either be completely shit or pub-breakingly good, and you want neither of those

obviously, key things to note would be keeping his key counters (spies, snipers, ubers?) in mind when balancing him. that said, we need to work towards making all of his encounters with classes in general less dependent on whether or not he's revved up.

I'm proposing to make his minigun a more defensive playstyle by giving him mild damage resistance while he's revved up.

Giving him banners (or some heavy-themed item that functions like the banners) would also be good for making him a more team-focused class, seeing as his kit is not meant for a solo roamer in the first place. Giving him a lunchbox/utility slot for this would be optimal.

A slow AOE healing type of deal could be interesting, as it'd incentivize staying near the heavy and working as a team with him, further pushing the Team Player aspect. (Make it communism themed. Everyone gets some health!)

As an alternative, an offensive playstyle could work with Heavy getting an auto-shotgun and a riot shield respectively in the primary/proposed utility slots.

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Always never heals me even after i call them a useless waste of space spicy faggot for not compensating for my errors.

It's so weird. It's like a thing with all medics do.

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Add a rocket deflecting minigun like the skill in MvM.

I couldn't agree more with all of this.

those are some pretty good ideas.

> damage resistance while revved up

I can't wait to be a useless piece of shit and rev up on last all day.

Everything but the healing sounds good. Give a defensive buff against crits

the first two things youre asking for have already been done
they dont make the heavy better, they just make him easier to play for the mentally impaired and remove punishment for doing dumb shit like not being spun when enemies are around are staying spun in a snipers los

>land that one server where there's someone else taking up the slack
>finally get to chill out as Sniper
fucking THIS
>team is doing okay enough for me to roll on sniper/spy/fat beer chugging engie
If I play soldier/heavy/demo/pyro and top score then we destroy the other team and I'm literally just fragging, but if I play spy/sniper/engie/medic I can top score and we can still be 50/50 on winning or losing and it's the comfiest way to play.

>says "thanks" after killing you with his kritz medic and battallions backup
>rocket jumps away as soon as his medic dies

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>Make heavy faster or have more health, he's right now soldier does everything better than him.
>soldier has banners making him more of a team captain than Heavy, give Heavy something that would make the team rally around him, like a secondary that is a small scale dispensor that heals teammates around him.
>Give him a lunchbox slot, make the sandvich a large health kit due to the banana currently being a direct upgrade.

Every balance suggestion in this thread is bad. Shut the fuck up.

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>Snipe them both with a Machina
>Both leave the server

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>getting triggered by people saying thanks

TEAMfortress
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Heavy with pocket med is a god until sniper/spy main counters
Heavy with vacc med is literally galaxy buster-tier that neither spies nor snipers can counter because snipers are now irrelevant so heavy and med can focus 100% of their idle attention on spies. Heavy + Vacc medic is the strongest combo in the game, remember b4nny's team got embarrassingly destroyed by one recently because they think soldier/demo/scout are the only classes.

>giving him mild damage resistance while he's revved up.

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Did that change, I thought it was just damage boost and a speed reduction while revved

Engy
Heavy
Medic
Soldier
Pyro
Sniper
Scout
Demoman

POWER GAP

Spy

20% damage bonus
20% damage resistance when below 50% health and spun up
50% slower spin up time
60% slower move speed while deployed

Every class is the game is well balanced except arguably sniper and pyro. Quickscopes should start at 100 instead of 150 and pyro will never be fun to play against as long as latency compensation is a thing.

What was the best state of the game and was it pre-scout update?

So it’s actively worse than stock

It sounds like you’re just bad

>pyro will never be fun to play against as long as latency compensation is a thing
If you complain about pyro being terrible to fight against you're automatically a shitter.

This, retards bragging about skills and playing TF2 like its CS:GO then wonder why they fucking die every five seconds.

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Pyro is shit but that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. He simply doesn't function the way he's supposed to due to the way the internet works and there's literally no fix other than to delete the continuous fire flamethrowers and replace them with variants of the dragon's breath.

>He simply doesn't function the way he's supposed to
He waggles around and throws fire. That’s what she does

>pyro will never be fun to play against as long as latency compensation is a thing.
how is it pyro? sniper and spy are the bullshit ones because of getting shot round corners and facestabs from a mile away

OMG B4NNY

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I'd say the only problem with pyro is that when he's mindlessly running towards you holding down m1 his fire cloud can make it hard to see where he is, they should make it a little more transparent.

No need to buff Heavy. He is a defensive situational class like Spy and Sniper.....and Pyro.

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he's coming from the center of the flames you dipstick

>the friendly pootis
+99% reduced damage taken
-99% damage dealt
+looks like a big watermelon so hoovy can use the ham shank and sandvich to have 3 food items at once
=hoovy takes a bite as the reving animation and spits seeds as the bullets
+10000% enemy knockback, enough to send them to the skybox with one seed
+anybody who kills friendly pootis while using the weapon will automatically get a voteban put on them for killing a friendly
-can't capture the intelligence while using
(item set bonus the friendly pootis + sandvich or chocolate or banana + ham shank hoovy can go invisible and can taunt kill while invisible)
+taunt kill: heavy spend 5 seconds eating the watermelon whole, then he shits it out killing anyone at point blank instantly and stunning anyone hit by the melon for 5.001 seconds.

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>his fire cloud can make it hard to see where he is
by that time he's already point-blank and there's no fucking hope

Based retard

You don't have to take them away from soldier, just give the heavy the ability to equip them as well.

>he lives in a van

I don't know Soldier is basically a powerhouse so giving him banners is just insult to injury. Removing his banners means that he isn't going to be picked for everything. I would also enjoy seeing soldier mains whine about how their main isn't a god anymore

What if he could run while eating? Like a new food item. Like a pizza.

I'll play a match as default scout, being cool in chat, and still get the saltiest of opponents.

Its the players in a lot of cases, but it is just very easy to hate the class whose job it is to be annoying, in both gameplay and personality.

>Removing his banners means that he isn't going to be picked for everything.
That isn't what's going to happen and you know it.

I don't know
Heavy already has plenty of lunch box items so giving him another one is just unnecessary bloat plus they will have to make a custom animation for it and god knows how long it will take for the two man dev team to make

True but it still should be done so at least Soldiers aren't gods

Question: Why do you guys still believe the game is alive or ever getting an update again?

Seething

more alive then battleborn
>update
i dunno.

If it's gradual healing most of his lunchbox items, it'd be annoying to play against. Trading sustaining heals away for movement sounds okay. Maybe make the eating animation longer to compensate for burst healing.

Heavy needs some sort of "out of the box" tweaks that we haven't really thought of.

Sort of like what they did with pyro during jungle inferno only better.
Doing some things to the fundamental way that the class is played is really the only answer at this point.
As it is now he just isn't fun.

25% damage reduction if his minigun is spun up. Bullets slow enemies slightly on all guns, Natascha just slows 25% more. Enemies lose jump height if hit by Heavies bullets.

He's still awful but not nearly as much.

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Pyro, engineer, medic, sniper and heavy are not fun to play and should be removed from the game.

Enjoy your fucking banana you fat faggots

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>remove half the classes because I say so
Get lost

>banana
>literally better than most of the new shit the pyro has

what the fuck would the spy even have to do with just demo's soldiers, and scouts left?

>most
You mean all

how about a shotgun that you eat and cant shoot when recharging his cd

Is there a way to make the BFB viable?

for you

Remove medic from the game, biggest crutch in the game.

Hitscan minicrits are a god damn nightmare
Letting the heavy passively heal is stupid and is stupid on the solider
Battalions, maybe I could see it.

no

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perfect
get this in valve

It doesn't need an update, I still enjoy it right now.

>VNN creates a shitstorm about the TF2 team getting axed down to 2 members
>revealed to be a hoax
>VNN deletes his tweet and video
Fucking hack

Who even cares at this point, the current TF2 team might as well be a dog and an empty can.

RIP Karma Charger.
Shame he deleted all his vids so suddenly.

>Implying it isn't true
>Implying Valve still works on this game
>Implying he didn't backtrack because Valve would threaten to stop playing nice with him if he kept pulling this shit
But yes, he is a hack.

why did he do this? im out of the loop hit me with a quick rundown

>I got more introverted because of games so fuck everything I guess

The Car Door
primary slot
absorbs 300 damage before it dies
more shoots for shotgun or use a sandvich with it for comedy gold

He turned into a NEET and realized he's ruining his own life literally doing nothing but playing vidya and making mods 24/7 so he quit vidya and internet as a whole to get his shit together.

Anything that makes projectilefaggots shit their pants is a good idea.
Sorry you cant roll everyone in the game by clicking feet anymore you fucking loser.

He came back a few days ago saying he wasn't gonna remove all his content, at least. Apparently his friends convinced him he had too much of a positive impact on people to do away with it all

thats understandable but no need to delete his work, he will regret it

At least he didn't do it the sketchek way

>Wanting games to become even more of a Stalemate than they already are.
you wot, m9?

He outright said that he needed to burn bridges so he wouldn't have anything to go back to and be forced to go out and do shit.

Doesn't he already have thousands of dollars saved up from ad revenue already? I would think he wouldn't have to work for a while, even if he did delete all his vids.

I wanna smash that scaly ass

>not even an apology
Tyler McNigger, everyone
He's gone on record as saying that while he considers himself to be an unofficial community spokeperson otherwise known a shill, a fan emailed the lardfat himself, and basically denied it. But of course he'll keep slurping up Gabe's turds.