Why are Japanese so good at creating good combat systems whereas the Western developers suck so much?

If you can revive the kanji is gray, not red.

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3rd person action games is literally 90% of all worthwhile games.

Hoohoo, I do declare you're open to incontinence!

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Name one Japanese game with good combat that isn't hack and slash.

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roblox has a thriving pvp community

TWEWY

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God I loved that game.

>Why are Japanese so good at creating good combat systems whereas the Western developers suck so much?

There's a subset who care about action games. There are no Western action games, at least not anymore. They're 100% Cinematic games that are just flashy style with no depth.

The Build trilogy+Redneck Rampage have great gameplay because of a great engine

Blood 2 for example, played like hot ass

Shadow Warrior reboot was garbo

Duke Nukem Forever was okay at best

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Go shoot up a school

xillia 2

whats the point of making the same thread everyday?

i made a thread about that shitty anime game when kenshiro was revealed, the next day some faggot used the SAME image i had used to create the same thread again

Also the fact that you have to reference Build games in 2019 says something when I can reference Sekiro and it shits on everything the west has made possibly since late 360 gen

>JRPGs and QTEs
>Good systems

The handful of character action games doesn't balance out against all that weebshit.

I don't think there's a big market in the west for deep combat systems, fighting games maybe but even then westerners tend to prefer something like mortal kombat

DUSK is better than Sekiro.

Western games are founded in the PC and Japanese games are founded in the Arcades.
Mouse and Keyboard has always lacked the physical feedback of other controllers and some PC's didn't even have mouses so the games that the west developed and became experts in were games where complex visual-controller feedback wouldn't be much of an issue.

Games like Unreal and Quake were a bit of an exception that came out of a result of new standardized mouses for computers and experimenting with the new-found level of precision that it added.

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>character action games

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we are focused in representation of trannies and minorities. That's important

Name a japanese 3rd person action game made in the last 5 years that uses/abuses qtes

it has a 'thriving' pvp community because soulsfags are autists who have never played games with inputs beyond press button to attack.

Are you seriously using a 20 years old game to prove your point?

How about you come up with recent examples of good western games?

name one japanese game with better combat
Hard mode:It also has to beat the peak player count.

Dark Souls 3

next

Japanese devs are great at mechanics but utterly hopeless when it comes to balancing, so the combat systems are usually ruined by overly dominant cheese strategies.

holy fucking cringe
looks like something a gamer boy would share on facebook

All of these games are good.
Well I'm not a big fan of half life 2 honestly but I accept how important it was.

i think the west are decent at making combat systems but bad at actually giving you enemies that actually train you to use them against

i don't know what happens in the development of these games that makes them overlook having challenging enemies that force you to try different strategies

Does any Japanese game from 20 years ago even have good combat? On the same level as AoE2, Starcraft, Quake 3, Unreal 98, etc. I think probably not. Japan doesn't even make many real games outside of arcade stuff.

Because the west understand the game is a sum of its parts. Japs make a good combat system and slap a shifty everything around it and call it a day. There’s no care for pacing, narrative, level design, puzzle elements. Compared God of War to DMC or Bayo. Sure the combat is more fluid in the latter two, but everything else about it was shit. Story had no pacing, progression design was all over the place, puzzles were shit, environment design was one note, and music was haphazardly thrown in on a whim. There’s not even any fun Easter eggs or unlockables to go back and replay the game for. So yeah, DMC and Bayo played better than GoW, but GoW is away better overall game.

Youre a fucking retard

>All of these games are good.

Only a retard would think the Arkham games are good

>i think the west are decent at making combat systems

Play the Arkham games - you're wrong

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>mortal kombat
>balanced

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Cool dude. Your wrong though.

there's nothing really wrong with arkam's combat if enemies were designed to challenge your understanding of it
i suppose the combat system itself doesn't leverage such opportunity

Naughty Dogs went over this
>make excellent AI that adapted to your previous attempts
>players have hard time beating it
>eventually find the one cheap strategy to win
>in this case it was hide in a room and wait until the enemies got bored and walked in the door and just shoot them
>realized players weren’t having fun anymore at higher levels because they’d opt for the cheap strategy every single time
>reduce difficulty so people can actually enjoy the game

The west make really good FPS games and stealth games--Japan rarely develop games in either of these genres, and even when they do it's a mixed bag outside of a habdful of examples.

As for action games, it comes down to influences. Many Jap action games can trace their origins back to old school anime and Kurosawa films, where as the West's idea of action is more coloured by stuff like The Matrix, Rambo and (more recently) John Wick.

Arkham combat us supposed to make you feel like Batman and it succeeds. You'd have to be legit retarded to think it was going after the same thing as DMC or similar games. It's like comparing Burnout to Project Cars.

Having had a blast with Arkham Asylum and Arkham City when they first launched, you can fuck right on off.

*You're

And I'm not - it took me a weekend to master both Asylum and City. The combat "challenges" are jokes

>Arkham combat us supposed to make you feel like Batman and it succeeds

I'm a huge Batman fan and no it doesn't.

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thats just bad balance and poor variety in combat

Cringe

The solution to this is to prevent players from being able to abuse cheap strategies, not to just make the game so trivial that it doesn't matter what you do.

yakuza

Looks like you like the game considering you bought and spent time on it.

>balance
>in single player games

That was the whole point. Either they would find the one exploit and use it, or they would just stop playing.

>there's nothing really wrong with arkam's combat if enemies were designed to challenge your understanding of it

That's the problem: You literally can't do that

The fundamentals of the Arkham games are so simple and easy that it's impossible to add say a proper boss like Sekiro that challenges your skills

All of the Arkham game bosses are gimmicks, and there's a reason the most famous boss of the franchise is Mr. Freeze, a glorified takedown checklist

What's it like being a mentally ill westernfag?

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come on man you can still do the above just stop playing everything thats popular and put some effort into finding games that you truly enjoy. We live time where there has never been as much games to play.

Imagine playing a game for a whole weekend, completing all the combat challenges because you dislike it.

Vanquish, soulsborne, MGR, splatoon, castlevania games., bayonetta, dmc, dragons dogma, even turn based RPGs.

Maybe because the most important aspect of a game is the gameplay? The west makes games to please masses that otherwise wouldn't be interested in video games.. You're also saying that japanese games look and play like shit when they really dont. Level design in souls game, including sekiro, is god tier. The pacing is still great. The only part I'd agree where the japanese games haven't been shining so much is in their story and storytelling, but so have western games. Or what, you think the plot of god of war went anywhere? its literally just a setup for sequels.

delusional

Yeah, and the right answer to this isn't to just make the enemies so braindead that you don't have to use any strategy at all, it's to get rid of the exploits.

What can I say? I need a break from real games and a button masher about Batman does the job

Also look at this shit

>Round 1 of 4 rounds
>I'm 2/3's of the way done

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19.9 years ago

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yes balance is something that matters if you want the difficulty to be both challenging and fun
if you don't want people cheesing the game you try to not let exploitable mechanics viable

an example of a bad difficulty would be Wolfenstein 2's harder modes where it thinks hard mode is achieved by forcing you to play the game as a cover shooter when ideally Wolfenstein is supposed to play more like a run and gun

>What can I say? I need a break from real games and a button masher about Batman does the job
so............ you like the game?

Nah, only Dark Souls has good level design. Japs suck at level design and pacing. And don’t even get me started on the shitty puzzles. A game is more than just gameplay. If all you wanted was smooth functions, go do calculus or something.

>turd strike
>Good
OH NO NO NO NO LOOK AT THIS DUDE

The biggest problem about BamHam combat is that it's literally useless for 1v1 encounters. This means every boss fight needs to be a gimmick or a QTE.

Another big problem is simply how easy it is. Enemies never attack you and you're able to cancel animations to parry attacks as many times as you like. And in Bamham if you also fail an attack, batman will be teleported across the room instead of being exposed, because the game can't have you missing hits. This shit reached astronomical levels in Arkham Knight because batman was teleported ridiculous distances. You might as well create a game with the flash.

Basically the issue with the west is that they have become stagnated in a combat system that only appeals to people who don't like video games.

>Vanquish

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And the found the right balance, which is why uncharted and tlou are universally adored.

I play bad games for fun sometimes

All of this

Also the games are overrated for "making you feel like Batman"

My preferred Batman is Mask of the Phantasm Batman, not Batgod - a guy who will struggle to fight even the Joker.

He's human, not invulnerable ninja god man

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Bayonetta

>Enemies never attack you and you're able to cancel animations to parry attacks as many times as you like
Literally all DMC games do this but its good gameplay when they do it.

>My preferred Batman is Mask of the Phantasm Batman
Cringe and cuckpilled

>It seems it's unthinkable for western developers to make a 3rd person action game that doesn't have bamham combat or cover based shooting.
Is that why it took literally a decade for a Japanese developer (Fromsoft) to implement a combat system similar to western action-RPGs?

Also, I'm fairly certain the first cover-based shooters were made by Japanese developers, which inspired western devs to make them.

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Also Sekiro has captured more of that Batman ninja feel than any of the Arkham games

I actually found Batman's gadgets to be a huge hindrance and I generally never used them outside of gimmick shit like throwing ice at Clayface

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Because those games require multiple complex inputs unlike bamham which is just two buttons

They just made the game a breeze to cruise through without having to put in any effort, which is exactly what most people want. That's not much of an achievement.

balance in single player games is anti fun.

DMC does not let you freely cancel animations. That's Bayonetta.

Because they know a video game is a game first and foremost.

balance in single player means a completely different thing than it does for multiplayer
balance in multiplayer means trying to put you and your enemies on an even playing field while offering varied gameplay
balance in single player mean trying to balance challenge and fun while offering varied gameplay

like you've heard of games being to easy before right?

Hadn't heard of the game called "10 OUT OF 10".

>balance in single player mean trying to balance challenge and fun while offering varied gameplay
And what it really usually means is taking away fun things from the player because they're too "imbalanced" and ruin the game's "integrity" and "vision".

you're just mad you can't cheese in sekiro the same way you did in dark souls

>Sekiro
Opinion discarded.

Sekiro.

I'm not sure I agree with you if we're talking 2018 God of War, whose mediocre story doesn't have a really tight pacing, where there's some uninspired puzzles, not really that special environmental design besides a couple of good areas and unnecessary padded progression. Also I'm not sure what you mean by fun easter eggs or unlockables, because both Bayo and DMC have it.
And I'd even say that the gameplay is fun enough to bring you back to replay it, it's what I've been doing for years.

And are we really going to say west produces better music when music is pretty much the one thing both sides do perfectly, and trying to find who does it better just falls to personal preference?

I think it's a really flawed outlook to assume all games are the sum of their parts, because it's rare to find things that are technically perfect and hit all their areas, most of the anything are flawed in some way or another, but they stand out in other traits within their work.
Games, much like movies and books and everything else, are more than the sum of their parts. It's a bit trivial to break it down bit-by-bit when we consume media by the whole, you know? Only the most boring person goes "You know, the acting in Love Exposure is a bit too much, so There Will Be Blood is the overral better movie"
All that matters is how the end-product feels and how it achieves what it wants to do.

This is why the East vs West console war is ridiculous. It's one thing to analyze how each side theorizes its game design and how their products are different, but to flat-out call one better than the other is just becoming a pretentious snob because there's so much shit in both sides. Seriously think of how many brain-dead weeb games and over-designed bland western messes are there, it's ridiculous.

This game became a bullshit fest. Still cool tough. Hope Mordhau doesn't fuck up

Every western "action" game I've played has been clunky and sluggish as fuck.

You know what? This is why gaming is an absolute .
My favorite genre is FPS, and FPS are PC territory if you remotely care about being good at them. There's also nothing greater that running them on a monster rig and a beautiful, fast display.
On the other hand, I absolutely hate how terrible western gameplay is compared to the japanese alternative (platformer, fighting, rpg, action rpg, turn based, etc etc), and since many of those never come to PC I'm forced to buy a console to experience them :(((
Fuck this gay earth.

Ever heard of an Emulator?

>you're just mad you can't cheese in sekiro
Have you even played Sekiro before? Almost every enemy in the game can be cheesed by simply mashing R1 in their face which will prevent them from being able to use any attack without super armor, and firecrackers will interrupt those.

I love any game that lets me beat the shit out of people with weapons with my bare fists

I can't emulate Bloodborne or Bayonetta2 yet..

Overgrowth?

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Patience my friend

Slow =/= shallow dmcfag. At least soulsfags cant press x to win

>start NG+
>find out you've been babby-handheld by kuro's crutch the entire time
>all your victories were fake
finally beat all bosses, NG+, no charm. I'm not a casual now, right? I don't need to go higher, right?

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>this again
It’s not a qte system dumbass. Compare this gameplay to Detroit become human or heavy rain or any telltale game and then say they’re the same.

>why is the country that created the majority of combat as an artistic philosophy so good at making satisfying combat

With a few exceptions Japs care about art and vision, westerners care about accessibility and mass appeal. It permeates the entire process of game development.

Instead they press O

Considering all the talk of journalists being so terrible that they demand an easy mode for Sekiro, I can already see all the article names.
>Ghost of Tsushim is Sekiro done right
>Ghost of Generic has an easy mode and that's a good thing
>I still can't beat Ghost of Tsushima but at least it's not Sekiro

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I CANT!! I bought a Switch and Im enjoying it but putting it next to my rig feels like I betrayed myself lol

Are him and Sam Hyde copying the same guy or is Eric Andre literally just a PC mulatto version of Sam Hyde?

I wanted to say Metal Gear Rising, but then I realised that games been out for longer than 5 years still no MGR2 on the horizon

Sam Hyde got his entire schtick from being an art school kid watching Tim & Eric and stuff like that. Andre was mainly influenced by some late night public access show.

>who have never played games with inputs beyond press button to attack
what the fuck do you want then retard? "press two buttons to attack"? shake the controller?

Do you refer to Strategy games?

you must be real fun at parties

yiff in hell

Overgrowth is a weird game, it took 10 years to be developed, came out already looking outdated, had piss poor marketing and you can't even tell what the game is about besides bunnies fighting.

purin to ohuro

Resident Evil 6 PS4 Remaster.

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Because in the west the worst CS students work in the vydia industry.