>Steam was killing PC gaming. It was a 30% tax on an entire industry. It was unsustainable. You have no idea how profitable Steam was for Valve. It was a virtual printing press. It distorted the entire company. Epic is fixing this for all gamers. >So Steam was first – so what? At the time, Steam’s 30% revshare looked good compared to the 50% revshare from retail. Now – it’s ridiculus and oppressive to game developers. Valve became abusive to its partners and employees. It took them for granted. >What gamers are all missing out on is that the PC game industry has fundamentally and permanently changed. Exclusives and multiple viable competing storefronts are now standard practices on the PC. They must be for it to grow and remain sustainable/viable as a business.
He does have a point and as industry veteran should know more about the swubject then random anons...
Retail had 50% because the publisher needed to print and distribute Discs. The profit margin for them wasn't high.
Valve's profit margin is through the roof.
Luis Perry
epic should have better features than uplay if they want people so god damn much. oh wait, they dont want people on it, they just want their money. valve did too but they kept shit open sourced, kept mods running, and kept a lot of other shit running.
epic shills should face it, your launcher is a shitty one when you remove every other argument going against you
Nicholas Garcia
Go fuck yourself, Epic shill.
Camden Thompson
remember when games were self contained products that you launched directly from shortcuts on the desktop?
Aiden Bell
>Richard Geldreich Into the trash it goes.
Jose Powell
>Now – it’s ridiculus and oppressive to game developers. >but it's okay when Sony, MS, EA and Ubisoft doing it
Aiden Hughes
retail took a far bigger fucking cut, Valve was applauded because 30% was significantly smaller than what retail took
Colton Morris
They're still like that if you take the piratepill
aren't Sony's, MS' and Nintendo's even higher than 30%? On top of it they dare ask you to pay to play online, essentially locking away half the game unless you pay for something tht should be free.
>more games than ever >more sold games than ever >somehow they killed vidya These companies get enough money now they just want more and go to epic.
Brandon Hall
>30% Tax on an entire industry Retail is like 40-50% with production costs, distribution and stores taking their cut. t. know people at some eastern yuropean studios
Aaron Wright
>literally carried online PC distribution due to inbuilt DRM and made several Japanese developers turn their heads towards PC >no you see Steam is killing PC gaming Gee whoever could be behind the post
Jeremiah Clark
>FORMER EMPLOYEE TALKS SHIT ABOUT COMPANY woah what a headline!
David Walker
Why should companies give 60% to retail? Or 30%+ to Sony, MS, GoG, etc. fuck off
Hunter Walker
Pointless with WeGame coming out
Jaxon Carter
>installing spyware just so vidya devs can receive more money I'd rather pirate at that point
AHEM
FUCK EPIC FUCK CHINKS FUCK DEVS AND FUCK TRANNIES
Julian Howard
only in Corporate America can people complain about competition
Christian Martinez
Why can't people read the OP before responding?
Wyatt Reed
>there are people who believe that third party exclusivity is good for any market anywhere
David Flores
Valve was the only company that stuck by PC when all the other shitheels turned their backs and told us that consoles were the future. They were the only company that gave pc the time of day and kept building to keep it open. Fuck you and fuck epic.
Michael Brown
Developers are perpetually entitled shitwits. How is this not surprising?
Jason Williams
the fuck is up with this coordinated attack against steam all of a sudden? why not a peep towards microsoft, nintendo and sony when they take just as much from digital sales? it's so fucking bizarre. I fully understand being annoyed by all the shovelware on steam making it hard to find anything worthwhile, but this 30% whining seems artificial as fuck
Luke Johnson
>I don't understand what the word "now" means.
Blake Adams
What happened to devs deciding who wins the "store wars" and not the consumer? Looks like they're starting to feel the impact of their own retardation. >uh uhhh guys it's actually in your own interest to not support steam, because... uhhh.... the devs don't ge- ... shit...
Levi Morales
And why should I care when devs that have gone Ebin don't pass the savings to me?
Brandon Morris
You forgot retail have to deal with logistics and transport, digital distribution cuts off all that expense.
Isaac Gomez
Because PC isn't a closed marketplace? When people buy a PS4 and whine about paid online and shitty sales, they're retarded. When you buy a PC and whine that the game you want isn't on Steam, you're even more retarded.
Cameron King
GOG no longer has the 70/30 cut, that's why they had to kill the Fair Pricing Package.
Connor Sanders
>It was a 30% tax on an entire industry. It was unsustainable. So, why is it sustainable on consoles and smartphones, which has the exact same tax?
After years of producing endless garbage, after years of forcing microtransactions in your games, after years of demonicing people for being white, videogame developers actually expect me to feel pity for them? Get fucked, I hope all your games fail and you all end up working in your local McDonalds. Not like you were going to produce anything of value anyway.
Why don't devs release their game exclusively on their website for that sweet 100% profit?
Owen Bennett
I wouldn't be surprised. Consolefags are known for being obedient sluts who will blindly follow whatever the developers desire.
Juan Wright
Not an argument, cheng
William Lewis
>It was a 30% tax on an entire industry. It was unsustainable. >meanwhile physical stores had a 60% cut also, tax is mandatory. there's nothing mandatory about steam.
can't be arsed to comment on the rest since it's the same kind of idiotic drivel.
Landon Martin
Why?
Jason Brown
>You have no idea how profitable Steam was for Valve. It was a virtual printing press I pointed this out in another thread and people told me it took 30% of their revenue to keep the servers running and I was completely stupid for suggesting otherwise
Ryder Hill
I'm sorry, I don't support anti-consumer practices. With Borderlands 3 on PC, I bet a third of who normally would have bought the game will buy it. Even though the devs get 20% more money per sale on the Epic Store, they're going to make half the money they would have (on PC) that they would have to begin with.
Austin Lee
So what you're trying to say is consoles is the way to go?
>Genuine confusion on why people repeated word-for-word what the OP posted without any further elaboration is "sucking developer cock".
Dylan Thomas
Nice piece of propaganda ignoring that most other big store platforms take 30% as well, and that there are already alternatives that ask less. Why do devs not go to those that ask less?
>Retail had 50% because the publisher needed to print and distribute Discs thats not expensive you idiot why do people think anyone charges 'fair prices' in business its not about whats fair, its about what you can get away with
Ryan Bennett
Ttl;dr >FORMER valve employee tries to get a job at Epic
Real talk, will Steam got into anti-trust problem if they lower it to 10% and kill all competitors? I mean not just Epic, but GoG, GMG, Bundles, etc. Do it gaben.
When will these mongrelos realize that having multiple competing storefronts is useless in DRM land? If they all were like GoG nobody would bitch about it.
Connor Gonzalez
>if the game is fun then just pirate lmao
Oliver Cruz
>trusting a jew >trusting a Jew called Rich Moneyrich
You can shit on Valve and Gaben all you like, but there's one reason why people would rather go to him than Epic chinks. Valve realized that the only true competition it had were not other stores, but pirates. They tried their hardest not to make games on their stores compelling compared to games on Origin or Uplay, but rather make games on Steam a better experience than pirated games. Unfortunately, chinks still don't have enough experience to realize that they shouldn't shaft the market with exclusives, spyware and generally shitty support and feature set, which means people would rather pirate than buy.
William Rogers
Go fuck yourself, epic shill.
Liam Gray
Valve would just need to lower it to 15%-20% and I'm pretty sure everyone would shut up and stop whining
Luis Cook
>without further elaboration Because what OP posted is disingenuous as fuck and you know it you retarded shill.
No because Steam isn't a monopoly, also there's no point lowering the rate because Epic will just keep throwing money at devs anyway
Ethan Powell
wtf i love china now!
Nathan Mitchell
No, i'm not talking about Steam, i'm talking about those videogame developer trannies who say >WAHH WAHH 30% I hope Valve increases that to 60%.
Brody Phillips
>A software developer is now an economist. Based goy.
Because Valve one of the major pc representatives back in the day (and you know, Yea Forums is full of cucks). Now they're a communist corporation, and fanboys live in denial the ship is sinking.
Michael Bell
How? Are these people forgetting there are already dozens of different storefronts? The only NEW things EGS is doing, is buying exclusivity. Which is unprecedented on PC, but normalized on consoles. The uproar just shows that the average PC consumer isn't as retarded as the average console consumer.
Jaxon Campbell
Fine guys, Steam is great, Epic is bad, whatever
But Steam drones honestly can never answer me on what Valve actually does to earn their 30%
>B-b-but workshop! Cloud! achieveos!
What if your game doesn't use those features? There are Steam games with the only feature listed as "Single Player"
Why would I want videogame developers to stop whining? When a game developer suffers it's because something good is happening. A videogame developer is a rabid dog who deserves to suffer as much as possible before being put down.
Parker Adams
It didn't have to be like this. The platform has just been mismanaged. Well technically not managed at all would be more accurate.
Gabe's a lazy piece of shit that stopped caring after he got rich.
Christian Young
It was never about the lower cut. Devs/publishers aren't going to epic because of that, they're going to epic because they're getting paid fuckloads of money.
Liam Thompson
>Steam drones Stropped reading there, chink.
Ian Phillips
BUT ALL ME MATES ARE ON STEAM WHRE WE PLAY GMOD AND DOTO2 AND TF2 TOGETHER AND THEY CAN SEE ME LAY SKIRO AND DAKR SOULS AND GO OY MATE YOU BE REALLY GOOD AT VIDIA. IF I BUY A GAME ON EPIC STORE I CANT DO ALL THESE THINGS OTHER THAN JUST PLAY THE GAME. AND THEREFORE STEAM NEEDS TO STAY A MONOPOLY SO ME MATES CAN SE ALL ME GAMES.
why do people who like video games hate video game developers
Caleb Reed
>There are Steam games with the only feature listed as "Single Player" Then they doesn't deserve a lot of money for such poor game.
Josiah Baker
>Because what OP posted is disingenuous as fuck and you know it you retarded shill. No, like, the entire exchange was this: >OP: Retail took 50% prior to Steam. >Them: Retail took 50% prior to Steam. It has nothing to do with whether OP is right or wrong or what he's even arguing for in the first place, it's just complete illiteracy from the other anons.
Blake Johnson
>VALVE WAS KILLING PC GAMING how? >EPIC WASN'T GETTING ANY MONEY
>Facebook >Twitter >Everything else. Go away, you freaking weirdo.
William Harris
30% is reasonable for lifetime storage and bandwidth, especially when you can generate your own keys that have no cut taken from them.
Epic's low percentage does not seem viaible in the long term. Eventually the cut they're taking is going to be used up by people just re-downloading the games they've bought over and over and increasing storage costs.
Camden Powell
>What does Steam provide you then? Audience to buy your game.
Levi Sullivan
Why do video game developers hate the people who buy their products?
this is stupid. What Steam has to do with anything? There tons of others stores and launchers. But most important thing why this is all bullshit is publishers still spending enormous amounts on marketing and continue to ship shitty products. Steam have nothing to do with it. They tried to make VR a thing, Linux a thing, controllers on PC a thing.
>30% is reasonable for lifetime storage and bandwidth No it's not. The bandwidth costs about 1-2%. They're pocketing the rest
Hudson Thomas
Why would I care about the 30%? I'm not a videogame developer. And i'm certainly not going to fight for the rights of a bunch of blue haired fatasses.
Because videogame developers are subhumans, they are the bottom of the barrel of society, they are everything wrong with modern western civilization. Everytime I read about how they all end up broken, how they have to work 20 hours a day even on the weekends and how they are abused I smile, it's the least they deserve.
>Steam’s 30% revshare looked good compared to the 50% revshare from retail. >Now – it’s ridiculus and oppressive to game developers. because? >we should pay you less >why? >because Steam haven't been doing anything less than they did before have they
There are but none of them is able to compete with Steam because gamers are just too attached to Steam. Epic is trying to change it with exclusive deals which is bad but necessary evil that will do good for the industry in a long run.
Gabriel Evans
thats not how business work. you don't need to "earn" the price you set for the product. if you can get away with setting a ridiculous price, knock yourself out.
Julian Carter
And game devs don't endlessly whine as well?
Luke Perry
>Because videogame developers are subhumans, they are the bottom of the barrel of society, they are everything wrong with modern western civilization stop playing video games then
Isaac Cox
Next you're going to tell me an Atari representative believes Nintendo isn't going to revive the video game industry.
>so they'll finally improve In what way? In what would Epic force Steam to improve when they are already the launcher with most features? That's the thing, absolutely nobody talks about what Steam would improve.
How is the bandwidth cost 1-2%? It will go up every time someone re-downloads a game. It's not a set amount. Nintendo took 30%, and they shut that shit down and deleted everything on the Wii eshop.
Nolan Taylor
>Steam bad and here is why >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU CHINK NECK YOURSELF EPIC SUCKS WORSE Every time
they honestly believe tax is theft and exclusivity is good for the consumer. look at their healthcare and tipping, its incredibly dumb yet they eat it up
What kind of retarded logic did you use to come up with Tencent having to have 51% of a company to steer its direction?
Aiden Lee
For the last time:
Yea Forums is steam territory! We don't say negative things about steam here! Have I expressed myself clear?
Eli White
> thats not expensive Distribution of physical goods is expensive.
Caleb Bell
DELET THIS
Henry Perry
Except he fucking says that >now it's ridiculous and oppressive how exactly, it's the same fucking share and retail stills takes 50%+ >they're abusive HOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE CLAIMS WITHOUT STATING HOW I can make bullshit claims too, the faggot won't explain a single thing.
Robert Turner
No, I rather pirate them, I enjoy not having to pay for something that some dyed hair fatass millennial has been slaving for for 7 years. Even more when that game flops and the studio shuts down like Visceral, or Telltale, that's pure karma.
>Epic is bad and here is why >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU STEAM DRONE TENCENT ONLY OWNS 40% GLARGL I LOVE CHINESE COCK DOWN MY THROAT! Every time
Owen Ortiz
>Exclusives and multiple viable competing storefronts are now standard practices on the PC. They must be for it to grow and remain sustainable/viable as a business
>It will go up every time someone re-downloads a game People download a game on average 1-2 times You have to be extremely naive to think that any price a business sets is fair and they aren't profiting off it
Josiah Gomez
>source: my uncle works at Nintendo
Samuel Bell
LOOOL WHERE IS THAT FROM AWBAHAHAHAH
Owen Hall
>When you buy a PC and whine that the game you want isn't on Steam, you're even more retarded. why? steam is the friendliest and most consumer-friendly place a PC game can be on besides GoG (but gog is drm free so you're 100% sure jewdevs won't put their games there) with that in mind, HOW is complaining a game isn't on steam retarded?
John Garcia
>lightweight because it lacks several features? >developers that doesnt concern me at all? if your IQ was any lower i'd have to water you twice a day
Evan Baker
It isn't It's more expensive than digital distribution, sure, but it's not expensive
Christian Richardson
If you can’t see how the Epic Games Store is improving PC gaming, then you’re nothing but blind cocksucking valve drone. Kill yourself right now.
Ryder Nelson
So the only way a business can be fair is if they break even? Are you legitimately fucking retarded or what?
Logan Thompson
A vidya butt thread died for this you fucking retards.
David Sanders
>At the time, Steam’s 30% revshare looked good compared to the 50% revshare from retail. Now – it’s ridiculus and oppressive to game developers. Why is it suddenly oppressive? It's a percentage that's never changed. Just because a cheaper competitor comes along doesn't make the other option oppressive.
Also >ex-Valve employee shitting on Valve sounds like he mad
Dominic Cox
And if something else pops up then hopefully they'll learn figure out the market wants a better product
>The bandwidth costs about 1-2%. I assume you have a citation for this claim. No, actually I assume the exact opposite since you're dumb enough to think this is literally the only expense they have.
Angel Bailey
Here, right after you, you god damn epic loving Chinese fuck.
Colton Cooper
You know, I'd be a little sympathetic to the argument that I should care about the developers if the developers weren't taking the staunchly anti-consumer position of making their games exclusive for chinkbux. Developers who make their games exclusive don't give a shit about me, so why should I give a shit about them?
Brody Robinson
You really turned me with that.
Carson Cox
>Now – it’s ridiculus and oppressive to game developers. Why? What has changed?
Jace Long
>steam is the friendliest and most consumer-friendly place a PC game can be on besides GoG
I'm saying there's no such thing as fair. People are absolutely retarded if they think it costs Valve 30% to maintain their servers, because it doesn't
Adam Garcia
FUCK STEAM MONOPOLY FUCK DRONES FUCK GABEN FUCK VALVE THIS IS THE NEW ERA OF GAMERS EPIC RISE UP
>People are absolutely retarded if they think it costs Valve 30% to maintain their servers
No one thinks this.
Parker Jones
>everyone likes and uses a service >therefore it's ok for other services to compete by buying exclusives so they can force those people to use a service they don't want to wow I'm sure that will do a lot of """"good""""
Brody Roberts
>I used the word "now" to imply change that actually never happened so I'm totally right Imagine being this retarded though?
Asher Harris
>steam is the friendliest and most consumer-friendly place a PC game can be on besides GoG The simple fact you're young enough to believe this is absolutely fucking terrifying.
Anthony Wright
GAAYYYMMEERS RISE UP!1 WE'VE COME TO RAPE AND PILAGE. AHHHHHHHH
Grayson Carter
Seriously: if anyone of you is concerned about data being gathered from you, you should stop using internet. You will never be safe from that. Fuck epic, fuck steam and fuck buyfags
Easton Jenkins
i work in IT and in a datacenter in France, !TB of upstream traffic cost around 5cents when you buy in bulk
Carter King
EGS is fucking shit and only media headlines from fortnite money buying exclusives is keeping it relevant. Tick tock, fuckwits.
OH WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE OPPRESSED GAME DEVELOPERS
WHY DO YOU GAMERS BITE AT THE PITIFUL POVERTY-STRICKEN HANDS THAT FEED YOU ALL THESE GOOD GAMES?
THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD RISE UP RISE UP AGAINST THESE OPPRESSIVE GAMERS
Ian Sanchez
>meanwhile devs whine and complain about getting showered in money for their copy/paste games, rathering than getting flooded with money Honestly, FUCK these devs. This industry needs another crash so games can become passion projects again instead of products.
Lincoln Harris
Next time try actual arguments for the customers instead of this silly crap
Henry Thomas
>Ask you to explain how Steam earns its 30% >You can't
>you're dumb enough to think this is literally the only expense they have. what other expenses do they have genius? They store data on servers and send it to you. That's all Steam fucking does. Any other expense like development is a one-off, the service is a data transfer service. Do the numbers yourself if you lack the common sense
Carter Williams
Steam is synonymous with PC gaming. PC = Steam. PC and Steam are one. Just like PSN store and Playstation.
This is a fundamental truth in life, and it will NEVER change.
Charles Hernandez
>Exclusives and multiple viable competing storefronts are now standard practices on the PC. They must be for it to grow and remain sustainable/viable as a business. YO HO HO HO youtube.com/watch?v=Nrj8EZm9ca8
Jack Anderson
It's the fastest way to force Valve to reduce their 30% cut.
Problem, is part of the OP's argument is that the 30% is too much, It's still fucking retarded to be arguing about it because it objectively isn't. The other problem is the 30% cut is all people will latch onto to shit on OP, when the rest of what he posted is even more fucking retarded. The whole post is abysmal and the dev who wrote it should be smacked.
Carson Reed
>Taxes are bullshit as right-wingers we support low taxes >Monopolies that effectively tax entire industries are good, actually Make up your mind. It'd be one thing if you were liberals but you're not.
Benjamin Watson
this is your brain on Steam crack
Landon Rodriguez
trannies are mentally ill chinks are insects I pirate everything anyway kek
>This industry needs another crash so games can become passion projects again instead of products. It's like you're implying the current status quo is preventing passion projects from existing
Caleb Thompson
>There are but none of them is able to compete with Steam because gamers are just too attached to Steam. >Epic is trying to change it with exclusive deals which is bad but necessary evil that will do good for the industry in a long run. Nobody is "attached" to steam. The only thing steam hasn't done is fuck consumers. They've been alright for the most part. Every one of those other companies who have a storefront has a history of fucking consumers for their own gain and people remember. When steam fucks up it will be abandoned. But if the only people benefiting from EGS are developers no one will ever give a shit because developers too often tend to be arrogant pissants.
Cooper Martin
Because monopolies user. This is why the epic store is a good thing
Dylan Foster
How do Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo earn their 30%? Also, if you care only about percentage, why aren't you supporting the Discord store? It has a 10% share, lower than Epic's?
>nobody is forced to sell on steam >"ok great iam gonna sell on epic" >"ARRRRGH FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING EPIC SHILL TIENAMEN SQUARE MASSACRE WINNIE THE POOH"
Logan Walker
I don't understand this talk shit about a former employer shit. If I as hiring and this guy applied I'd scrap his application straight away because who is to say he wont shit talk my company if/when he leaves me?
David Lewis
That's exactly what would happen, even Epic says that 12% is unsustainable.
Ryder Gray
>get shitton of reason, from features, to servers >i-i-i-it doesn't count
Sebastian Gutierrez
Epic still wins in the end. Why?
Bought a game made in UE3 or UE4 on Steam/GOG like
As a consumer, I don't care. Steam still provides the best service out of all online game stores, and so I use it. If devs want my money they'll release on Steam.
Juan Garcia
How does Epic earn its 12% cut?
Noah Nelson
Not every alternative to a monopoly is good, retard-kun.
Carter Nelson
I forgot to add >t. butthurt dev who doesn't want Gaben to take his shekels
Psst, devs, you know what? My convenience is more important than your cut. Unironically.
William Jones
Red Dead Redemption 2 confirmed as an Epic exclusive, suck a dick steamdrones.
Asher Sanders
>"sources say" >"Ex valve employee" BREAKING NEWS, VALVE JANITOR SAYS GABE MURDERED BABIES DAILY IN HIS OFFICE AND FED THEM TO GATORS MORE NEWS AFTER THESE SHORT MESSAGES.
Jaxon Gomez
See >It has nothing to do with whether OP is right or wrong or what he's even arguing for in the first place, it's just complete illiteracy from the other anons. If you had just said everything you're saying now in the first place, then you wouldn't make your side look completely incompetent.
Tyler Barnes
The idea of a closed marketplace is retarded.
Henry Gonzalez
I hope it's a false flag bait.
Benjamin Johnson
There should be no game clients, all games should be standalone portable programs and everything installed to a single directory.
Tyler Cruz
>Steam monopoly bad >Epic monopoly good >unga bunga
Josiah Scott
EGS pays devs moneys devs are pal with the journo clique the journo clique publishes black PR about steam this all seems real convenient
Easton Wood
>steam lowers to 10% >every storefront dies >steam becomes a true monopoly At last, now I truly see
Christopher Foster
GOG masterrace
Isaac James
And?
Jacob Martinez
do they not know about gog? wtf?
Joseph Foster
It's almost like he was hired specifically to shittalk his former employer.
Oliver Morris
It's the fastest way to make people not buy your game.
Isaac Garcia
why should i give a fuck what sort of cut the publisher makes?
Leo Sanchez
1989 tiananmen square
Alexander Jenkins
>Being on Yea Forums and not knowing what this is >Can't tell by the art style alone Good god man.
Andrew Green
>How do Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo earn their 30%?
Can't speak for the others, but with Nintendo, they do earn their 30%
>#NintendoSwitch community is a blessing! #BlossomTales is now a turnaround story: Humble indie dev @castlepixel can stay in business and continue making games. Love y’all! 3 months #Switch revenues surpass #Steam lifetime revenues 20 times!
Switch saved this company while the Steam version nearly killed them.
And maybe with MS and SONY you don't, so expect Switch/Epic Store only games in the future
Why do you miss the point every time, you stupid chink?
Zachary Hughes
What’s gog? It sounds like steam propaganda.
Asher Cruz
It's not a monopoly you dumb insect
Eli Russell
Well look where you are People will latch onto the first retarded part they see and parrot it. which isn't a bad thing. Shit arguments get TL;DR'd fast
Ayden Powell
Question: why the hell do you even buy games? There is no logical reason to buy most games except to support their developers. If the goal is to support developers then it's better for you to give them as big of a cut as is possible. Today buying games is charity.
Xavier Johnson
They create a platform, console, their network as well as create an environment that encourages developers to release their games on their platforms.
Steam does literally nothing at all for PC gaming and instead makes it even worse with their monopoly.
Elijah Peterson
Yeah, it was like that until the early 2010s.
Blake Flores
Epic is not the answer no matter how much you try to feed misinformation to the public. This reverse engineered capitalism China is touting will not stand
What did Nintendo do in this case? Only thing I read there is that the game ended up selling more on the Switch. Did Nintendo offer advertising or something?
Carter Smith
>Implying server is distribute information aren't expensive as fuck
Developers DID like Steam because of the better margain for profit. Epic just wants a piece of that pie and they'll be willing to take a loss like many companies have in the past just to get there.
Lincoln Reed
>Facebook >Twitter >Instagram Surely you must jest. Who tf uses those zoom zoom apps, especially Facebook since it's filled with grandmas
Brayden Young
Why are you even buying games, then?
Christian Myers
Never procreate, for the sake of humanity.
Christopher Miller
so whats the endgame here? will steam users seeth until eternity? they are quite stubborn so far, and are raging nonstop for half a year now.
when do you think will they accept the new reality?
>an environment that encourages developers to release their games on their platforms. What does this even mean? You just posted empty words. I could easily say the same about Steam.
Christopher Parker
>They create a platform, console, their network as well as create an environment that encourages developers to release their games on their platforms. Steam does literally the same.
Brody Perry
Why not?
Brandon Reyes
Nintendo has a quality standard associated with it that other companies don't - even indies get that rub
It used to be like this with XBLA and Steam back in 2009
Josiah Myers
>geldreich So how much did they give this Jew to give some ""hot""" takes
Because in clownworld anno 2019 Publisher > consumer
Jacob Gomez
If any of you super awesome Epic employees read this, I'd like to join your team! PC gaming is my passion since I played Fortnite, and I like to help your great platform grow and prosper! My skills are: - professional writing (I have six years of experience in field of arguments on the Internet) - industry standard image editing (I can produce up to 100 new wojacks a day) - A-grade loyalty (I support three women who cheated on me, and I also believe communism is way of the future) Please contact me via [email protected]. I can start at your earliest convenience!
Nathan Clark
>They create a platform, console Nope, AMD designing and manufacturing all hardware for them >Steam does literally nothing Except, optimization, servers, workshop, marketplace, stable connection and free updates
Hudson Watson
>Nintendo has a quality standard associated with it have you fucking seen the eshop
I remember when Steam came out and people saw it as the cancer that it was.
Grayson Gonzalez
>There is no logical reason to buy most games except to support their developers Yeah it's not like you're paying for a video game or anything, you're purely just giving money to people out of the kindness of your heart. Holy fuck you're retarded.
Jose Kelly
In what way will steam improve? Making games? Everyone knows what happened to Artifact
Bentley Smith
He's a jew? Well that only means he knows what he's talking about.
Gavin King
>buy a Steam key from GreenManGaming >Steam gets 0% cut
How are they the bad guys again?
Jaxson Cruz
>oppressive to the developers no one was forcing you to release your games on steam there are other online stores on PC and you could just make your own if you wanted steam is not some monopoly backed up by the US government
Luis Nguyen
but but sweeney promised they would pass the savings onto you
Elijah Butler
This, gotta be creative after that morning traffic
>The Switch though has seen a number of ports sell better than anticipated. Despite already being out for over three years, the Switch version of Shovel Knight sold better than any of the other versions at launch according to its developer, Yacht Club Games. Wonder Boy: The Dragon’s Trap, Forma.8, and other games have seen similar success. SMG Studios noted in September that Death Squared sold more on the Switch in the first three days than all other platforms it released on combined, while the same thing happened to the Zelda-like exploration game Oceanhorn. And then there was SteamWorld Dig 2, Immage & Form’s action platformer that sold 10 times more on Switch than on Steam.
Clearly there's something with the Nintendo brand that helps sell better than on Steam, the place where indies used to be the top dog and sell the most
Nolan Clark
All I know is that this whole ordeal is fucking with everybody in the end and here's why:
>Scumbag devs and publishers try to cheat their customers >Customers get angry >Animosity is built on both sides >Parasitic journous that don't even like video games only fan the flames for cheap clicks, making things even worse >In the end we have a industry/community based on hate and animosity instead of trust and support >Just want a healthy community like back in the 90s where everybody had their differences but all believed in making and supporting good vidya >My favorite hobby is getting destroyed right in front of me and I can't do anything to stop it
why do chinks get so fuming about customers showing dislike for a product? because they cant buy the exclusivity on their enjoyment?
Hudson Turner
No one's forcing you to pay for video games. You're choosing to do so. Why?
Gavin Nelson
Well guess what, for a long time Developers liked Steam because it gave them a larger piece of the pie, it's only now that Sony and Microsoft are pushing so many digital downloads that Developers have begun to think maybe they could make their own launchers and cut out the middle man. Only no one wants to download a DRM launcher for each company that makes games. And why the hell would I want to use Epic games launcher when I have over 400 games on Steam?
Christian Smith
Why the fuck do you retards want valve to kill off all the other launchers by dropping the cut?
If steam did a 15/85 cut every other retailer that isn't trying to survive on their own exclusives like Ubisoft etc. is going to get completely fucked in the ass.
Oliver Sanchez
It's extremely telling how you weren't able to provide a single argument or alternative
So, you are saying that because those two games sold better on Nintendo consoles, that they earn the 30%? Shouldn't games on the Epic store have a 0% cut since they don't sell?
It's almost like Steam from 2004 is not the same as Steam 2019. Being stuck in this mindset only shows how hard you refuse to learn and how desperate you are for an argument.
>every other retailer that isn't trying to survive on their own exclusives So just Epic then
Easton Miller
> steam lowers to 10% And went bankrupt because of their inefficiency.
Jeremiah Carter
this, before steam the big physical publishers were even worse. their rates were much worse even accounting for the costs of their physical distribution and advertising services, and more importantly they would almost always demand outright ownership of the game and all IP. Steam (and all digital distribution services, in general, eg. YOUtube) was sold on the strength of creators retaining ownership of their products.
Carter Davis
I meant the attacks coming from all the people in the industry. it's completely fine for them to think that 30% is too much for a digital platform, but the fact that they're not holding the console digital market to the same standards when the majority of the devs whining also put their games on there is the odd thing. a few years ago you could have argued that most console game sales are physical, but you can't really fall on that anymore. they're still not as skewed towards digital as pc sales are, but it's enough that the same arguments should apply
>salvaged PC platform from its inevitable death after almost every PC developer either went defunct or ditched it for consoles >LITERALLY didndu nuffin
Dylan Turner
Nah, I wasn't born yet. I was, however, gaming when Steam forced people to download their shitty DRM software to play Empire: Total War.
Justin Johnson
I remember suddenly finding steam keys in my physical copies swore i'd just use it for games that required it but look at me now, sales and HB did a number on me
If I wanted to have my game hosted on the most popular pc gaming store front out there I sure as hell wouldn't expect them to do it for practically free. That's idiotic.
Isaac Hughes
>killing PC gaming >helped nurture the indie boom >is now home to countless PC ports of console only JP games >made kickstarter for vidya almost completely irrelevant with early access Explains the "former" part. 30% is stupid but it ain't killing shit.
Joshua Price
That was before a lot of games were multiplayer and before cloud saves and before consoles had paid online.
Cooper Turner
unlike all the amazing talent that remained at Valve
>lightweight >uses more ram than steam and lacks essential features like a cart shop
Leo Thomas
We can't live in the past user, with all the technology the future should be shining like bright diamonds, instead we have a dumpster fire due to corporate greed
Bentley Peterson
it'll be the fastest way to have >general go to market where every game that isn't exclusive aka steam gog etc >10 companies with exclusives >eg battlefield on origin >anno on unisoft >blizzard games on their own launcher None of these companies will ever last as long as steam due to having exclusive bullshit that actively deters people from buying out of principle.
Camden Ramirez
That doesn't mean anyone is forced to sell it on Steam. Just because I refuse to buy a game on the Epic store doesn't mean that I'm the one at fault. I might really enjoy a game but refuse to buy it because the company who distributes is is morally negligent.
Cooper Thompson
>>helped nurture the indie boom
That was XBLA you stupid Steam drone.
Xavier Reyes
>Steam multiplayer API >VR support >Controller support >Big Picture Mode >Forums for every single game where developers can interact with players >Reviews for every single game, now with optional filters for huge fluctuations in negativity (effectively removing review bombing, but still allowing you to see what happened) >Complete freedom to create whatever game you want and sell it on their storefront for a small fee, no matter how dogshit it is >Steam groups/curators for communities to grow off of Just off the top of my head. Love this retarded fucking meme that Valve has done nothing for PC gaming, they clearly do a LOT to make their service as perfect as possible for consumers, while Epic simply buys up exclusives and calls it a day.
Angel Evans
So, they literally have to bribe devs even more because the games don't sell enough?
Oliver Hernandez
yeah it can't be both right it has to be one or the other
Isaiah Morris
Cool. So, are you willing to pay the developers more money in order to access the game on the most popular PC gaming store front? Surely, surely, you don't expect them to eat the costs themselves, right?
Jackson Hill
This Epic is a saint ;)
John Fisher
>whaa steam has shit too! >please ignore that I have to go looking for it because the main store front and player reviews filters it out naturally and it's a major reason why indie devs don't like steam
Angel Cruz
Yeah. I remember the past 15 years as well though.
Benjamin Perez
Reminder none of those things were apart of Steam at launch
Steam user reviews weren't available until 2010, and Origin and uPlay still don't have them
Wrong, PC is similar to the political power struggle of Afghanistan. Most companies were like “fuck it, it’s too much to handle” now that Valve did all the work and paved the way for PC to become accessible platform, Epic wants to assume credit through dissidents from Chinese backers.
Ayden Lewis
developers hate consumers too the problem stems from both sides (usually) being passionate about game X X is released, but there are problems with it problems are blamed on the developers, consumer is angry developer put a lot of work into X, and consumers aren't appreciating it wrong or focusing on something "minor", developers angry developers go online to tell the world consumers are enjoying the "wrong" things and should really like Y instead, consumers even more angry and around and around we go
Adrian Turner
>has money to experiment with pc hardware >has money to experiment with pc controllers >has money to make a vr headset Valve makes a shit ton of money just from gambling on cs go and dota 2 They'll be fine even with the 5% cut
I can't wait to see the eternal tears from Steam babies once RDR2 releases as an Epic exclusive.
Tick tock Valve drones, your cancerous enablement is soon coming to an end.
Lucas Murphy
Need a hand moving those goalposts faggot?
Jeremiah Bennett
Friendly reminder that nobody was forced to sell on Epic. Publishers did it because it was more profitable than the alternatives.
Levi Wood
so? they're a part of it now so it's perfectly fine to expect a competitor to have those quality features if they actually want to fucking compete
Ayden Miller
oh no, they have to pay less than fifty cents per copy to ship a $60 MSRP product to stores! How could they ever have made a profit???
Jaxon Bell
>Reminder none of those things were apart of Steam at launch Yeah, back in 200-fucking-4. You don't have an excuse to launch such a shitty store in 2019.
Landon Long
>Geldreich
Wrong.
It's ((( Geldreich )))...
Jack Hill
>only low IQ retards like you think the PC gaming market is ever in any danger or valve did anything to help it in the first place. PC has always done better than consoles.
Austin Brooks
>2019 >has none of these things.
Grayson Bell
>>So, they literally have to bribe devs even more because the games don't sell enough?
Games already don't sell on Steam as is
>b-b-but tayal is just indie shit!!!1
Okay, but what about Legend of Grimrock 2? Sold worse than the first because it was buried under literal trash
>that will do good for the industry in a long run. The thing is I don't trust Epic, the guy who said that in the end developers, not consumers will decide who wins sounds like a complete asshole. He needs to learn to shut his mouth on these matters. Gabe Newell has better common sense than him.
Michael Ramirez
>none needs optimization or MP >the cut for devs are more important
Gabriel Turner
>steam is a monopoly how about don't use words you don't understand kid
Valve was supporting PC gaming back when Epic was making console exclusives chasing easy money. Now they made money by ripping off PUBG, and their store sucks on the level of Origin. Actually it's worse, at least Origin has profiles and avatars.
Samuel Gray
So? Epic isn’t competing against launch-Steam nor 2010s Steam. If they wanted to compete, they should’ve ironed out their bullshit beforehand.
Oliver Reed
Technology made the new games expensive as fuck, so I couldn't care less to be honest.
Nathan Bennett
>they make it epic exclusive because they were purchased >WHY ARE THESE TOXIC GAMERS SO ANGRY
Ayden Myers
>Reminder none of those things were apart of Steam at launch Yea, and Steam's launch wasn't in 2019.
Jesus. I swear to fuck people on the internet are actually morons. It's like the PS5 launching without trophies or cloud saves
Easton Garcia
i don't care that they're spying about me i care about it BECAUSE I'M GIVING DATA TO THE FUCKING CHINK COMMIES
Camden Morales
>RDR2 releases as an Epic exclusive. >Not releasing it on their own site again
>garbage AAA games are on epic >while chad indies and anime VNs are on steam and discord feels good tbqh
Kayden King
You are, and it's fair to question that, but you only allow yourself not to care about the developer's cut because it currently doesn't affect how much you're paying. Once things change developers might start trying to pass on extra costs on to the players.
Tyler Parker
what happens if you add back the payment processing fees on ue ?
Jack Wright
>former valve employee >shit-talks about valve really gets the jimmies jiggling
Isaac Gonzalez
Just recently got into real manga the only thing i used to read was hentai So I'll ask again, SAUCE NAO
Joseph Cox
>he thinks this is about the cut user they just want to kill steam because it allow refunds, reviews and sales that's literally against the videogame industry
Xavier Davis
Do the savings go to the consumer?
John Morales
Why would America give hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel?
Jacob Hernandez
>because it was more profitable than the alternatives The prospects seem more profitable than the alternatives, that is assuming that people purchase the game in the same numbers that they would have on Steam. I'm not going to buy a single game on the Epic store, so they've at least lost me in this trans-ition.
Matthew Peterson
trash like Legend of Grimrock wouldn't even be allowed on EGS
Anthony Barnes
No! Developers choose to use it so it's a monopoly! Never mind that GOG exists, Uplay exists, Bethesda storefront exists, Origin exists, battle.net exists, etc.!
Evan Sanders
It's a monopoly because you cant choose not to buy a steam key. If you buy a game from any of the other markets right now it's always a steam key. That's a monopoly. By allowing epic games into the market that means you can finally have a choice in giving more money to the developers instead of a greedy corporation that takes more than it should.
Brody Johnson
>forced people to download their shitty DRM software to play Empire: Total War mine was Fallout: New Vegas fuck steam
Then I'd like to purchase 1 copy of Borderlands 3 on GoG please.
Caleb Anderson
>Games already don't sell on Steam as is Then why do they keep releasing more and more games on PC at all? Why don't they leave? I would certainly be happy if all indie developers finally left PC and stopped filling it with their shovelware.
Jose Hill
suck a chode, shill
Hunter Bennett
epic will never have user reviews since they only sell quality games
Jordan Gonzalez
>Origin and uPlay still don't have them yeah it's not like they have a vested interest in keeping their consumers uninformed or something.
Hunter Evans
Metro and The Outer Worlds were forced to put their game there. Their publishers did the decision for them.
Julian Cooper
>still mad at microsoft for kinect and trying to kill the second hand market so xbone is out >sony moved to california and is going full ps3 era arrogance with censorship left and right maybe i'll build a pc instead >windows 10 is the kind of evil tencent aspires to be >7 and 8 are just about dead >linus retired and gave his stewardship of linux to trannies >basic components like RAM are under continuous price fixing scandals
Shit at this rate I'm going to have to settle for a Switch
>Okay, but what about Legend of Grimrock 2? Sold worse than the first because it was buried under literal trash
Yea, it surely wasn't because it cost $10 more and wasn't as much as an impulse buy.
Bentley Morales
>decade and a half gap the gamecube was relatively new when steam launched
Mason Scott
Well I'm convinced. Guess I'll go download anti consumer chink spyware that doesn't have regional pricing or basic functions like a review system.
John Richardson
>>Lootboxes developers implement that, not steam >>Paid skins developers implement that, not steam >>Marketplace what's wrong with it? >>Early Access what's wrong with it? >>Paid mods lol >>Floods of shovelware and?
Jordan Allen
fucking Proton pushing Linux gaming to the closest its ever been as a viable alternative to the Windows jew
Ethan Anderson
I already own it on the PS4, the multiplayer is broken, I can't connect to it. There is no way I'm going to be running to the epic store to buy a broken game.
David Martinez
They don't sell? That's too bad. How about you keep it exclusive to consoles? In fact, why don't all indies leave PC? Maybe then PC will start healing after countless "indie games" of which 99% are garbage that 10 years ago you'd find for free on flash game sites.
>Customers can pick whatever store they want. Except the games the Epic bribed for.
Cooper Fisher
>gaming industry breaking records year after year >Epic store sells the games at the same price meaning gamers benefits 0$ from this Games are dying :( and this is 4 the players!
Bentley Evans
Yes, and? Epic has absolutely nothing to compete with the superb service that Steam has to offer at this point in time; buying up exclusives does nothing productive "for the benefit of PC gaming," it's just forcing people to use their platform or miss out on the game for however long their contract stipulates. Even if you don't use Steam, if you use GoG or whatever other platform, Epic is still fucking you over and strongarming you onto their platform. PC gamers just aren't falling for it, which is why there's such an outcry again Epic.
Samuel Clark
This is so pathetic If you played it you can see how EVERYTHING is designed for sole purpose of leading the player toward marketplace and make them trade cards for real money. It's so fucking soulless, even more so than any EA game
Carson King
that cut means absolutely nothing for customers
Gabriel Thompson
Remove the t from lgbt
Sebastian Sullivan
if epic gets bloodborne i will aprove of them. not before
Why do games distributed on EGS still cost $60? Shouldn't less taxes mean lower prices? Ah yes, that's because companies don't give a fuck about you, only money. So stop defending them moron.
Lincoln Myers
>Early Access >what's wrong with it? Finish the game before asking for money
Aaron Myers
Video games must be dead a long time ago considering the revenue share back when there was no digital option.
John Thompson
Funny you talk about the devs when all of the profits go to the PUBLISHERS who may or may not let them have a share of it.
Carson Johnson
>competition They're practicing non-competition, user. A more apt observation would be that they are causing disruption to steam AND all other store fronts, they're not competing.
I would prefer getting a GOG.com version than installing Chinese Epic Spyware launcher. If Ubisoft or EA tried it I would eventually relent, but I can't stand the way Epic is doing this via timed exclusitivity (as stupid as timed DLC) and I can't stand Chinese malware either.
Adam Walker
The Steam key exclusivity only happens because of lazy publishers. And believe me, I'm the first one to complain about how the only place to get DRM-free versions of certain games is GOG.com.
Josiah Hill
So they want to kill Steam because they do the same thing almost all digital distribution platforms do?
Juan Morales
Steam was good for pc because it centralized everything. Theres no reason for a generation less box (pc) to be eviscerated and all over the place. I go on my xbox gamertag and i can download things from years ago on 360 or xbone. I go on my playstation account and can download ps3 or ps4 games. Each platform needs only one store. Steams problem was letting nothing but shovelware in. Same shit has killed the switchs online store, its nothing but shovelware.
Robert James
Nice. I will continue spamming them since it makes game developers and journalists mad as fuck.
Oliver Watson
By trying to be the one that takes all that tax instead of Valve. Truly a selfless act. The only winners here are pirates.
Sebastian Smith
You can’t try and argue against pirates, retard. None of us care what you think. We pirate because we do what we want.
>Steam does literally nothing at all for PC gaming and instead makes it even worse with their monopoly. Steam singlehandedly made Linux a viable platform for gaming and is continuing to grow it as well as supporting vulcan, steam is hosting the multiplayer servers of every dev who asks through steamworks for free, steam has created multiple features like NAT solving through steam and is providing it for free for anyone who asks. Meanwhile the only thing epic's done is pay chink bribe money and divide the PC playerbase. But these are things nobody without a brain even knows about.
Carter Anderson
>profiles and avatars. Are these seriously the kind of features people are complaining about Epic Store lacking? I thought it was something to do with the library format or that it had a shitty search tool. Who the fuck cares about profiles literally no one reads?
Cameron James
>after years of demonicing people for being white Have sex.
Hudson Cruz
Admittedly, I'm thinking of things from the independent game developer point of view.
Daniel King
If people want to buy it let them. There's absolutely nothing wrong with scamming dipshits that have more money than sense, if you're willing to pay for an incomplete product you deserve it, even better if you're content with it
Jordan Lopez
Once again, if it's all about the revenue split, devs/publishers would be chomping at the bit to avail of Discord's 90/10 split.
Gavin Smith
It's from Ito Junji called Gyo.
Dylan Hernandez
OK tell me what steam did bad that epic didn't do?
Isaiah Gonzalez
That's literally what competition is about though Steam provides better service while Epic provides better games.
Ayden Perez
Because every single customer is actually a dev right?
I don't give a shit about 30% cut, steam sales are literally the only good sales I've ever actually seen. They beat fucking black friday """""deal""""" by miles.
Gabriel Collins
But the best launcher on PC gives 0% to game developers.
>Gaben cock goblin steamfags will defend this Steam has been making millions off developers with next to no costs involved for them.
And people wonder why games are as bad as they are these days. I hope Epic shits all over Gaben, all he has left is his HL3 trump card.
Levi Jones
>It distorted the entire company. Epic is fixing this for all gamers.
My ass, he's fixing it for devs who want a bigger slice of the pie from a company that doesn't give a shit about improving their platform. Sweeney has gone on record that he doesn't care about consumers and knows that if he kowtows to developers and publishers, the games will follow. And unfortunately, he was right.
Matthew Walker
They only let shovelware in after indie devs getting asshurt that they'll never get into the store and gaming journalists writing about how greenlight hurts small developers from releasing their games on steam.
Hudson Jackson
>just buy that car man >so what if it doesn't have airbags, abs and a/c >my car from 2004 doesn't have them either! flawlesss logic
Kevin Ross
There's nothing good to be said about epic hence you fags keep attacking steam
Liam Wood
why do they keep thinking consumers care what developers think
make a good game on a platform i want to use
and i might buy your thing
otherwise fuck off
Henry Harris
>while Epic provides better games. it doesnt, it just takes games that would otherwise be on Steam
Aiden Perez
steambros... its not looking good for us... we have to shill harder
Jayden Price
Nobody cares about shitscord, steam drone. Epic Games Store is a better deal.
Jacob Harris
Nobody but poor people who cant afford windows use Linux. Why should epic cater to a literal nonexistent market?
>It was a 30% tax on an entire industry. It was unsustainable. Unsustainable my fucking ass. As far as common sense is concerned, Steam AND PC games are still around today.
Christian King
我会拥有一切
Charles Kelly
>it just takes games that would otherwise be on Steam So they're competing? Steam could offer devs a better deal you know and win their exclusivity instead of giving it to Epic.
Carson Morgan
please tell me all steam drones are american. I want to retain the hope in humanity in belief that only one ountry can be that retarded and the rest are smarter
Caleb Butler
What better games? The best games of the year so far (sekiro, dmc5) are on steam
Carson White
How do Steam cock gobblers defend the flop of Artifact?
>steam has too much garbage on it! you know you can sort the games by review positivity and pretty much guarantee you only see the good games, and even search by the dozens of tags and genres you're interested in? why don't you just use steam features developed for you instead of complaining?
I think valve should answer with a price adjustment, simple as that.
They've spent a lot of money developing this great platform, with tons of features that makes other launches like uplay and epic seem clunky and shitty.
Just cut your share now, drop it down to 20%, hell even like 15%. A long term investment is needed with other games companies trying to compete with them.
Eli Clark
Chinks intentionally warp arguments to get the upper hand.
Anthony Gonzalez
Why do you think anyone cares?
Brody Gutierrez
They dont even have Metro or Borderlands or Fortnite so its shit
Blake Moore
epic store is legit guys especially that new upcoming exclusive they have skyrim 6 i mean ES VI
i heard you get a genuine climbing gear if you pre orderm i just got mine and it just works!
Yea Forums is console board. Steam drones are just PC Console faggots.
Andrew Brooks
Because microsoft is doing its best to try and make windows a closed down enrivonment? Because that support brings steam new customers? Because Linux is open source and free, the most consumer-friendly thing imaginable?
William Wood
>Please tell me all epic game store drones are chinese. I want to retain hope in humanity that only one country can be that retarted and rest are smarter.
Hudson Green
So why is no one complaining about sony, nintendo and MS doing a 30% cut same as valve? You care about developers right?
They should drop it to 0% because they deserve nothing
Nathaniel Martinez
Because this is all tranny game devs desperate for money.
Blake Moore
funny how every game Yea Forums and others are yelling about isnt about private developers (exept maybe phoenix point) but fucking read dead and borderlands. does anyone here really belive 2k games is "losing money" by paying steam fucking 30% when they know that if they exceed a certain amount of sales that goes down.
Jaxson Gonzalez
Valve could literally kill epic or any other launcher without even trying. I'm not really sure why they haven't honestly.
Jason Anderson
Discord is the prime example on how publishers don't actually give a shit about the %cut
They offer a better revenue share than epic but since epic is literally paying dozens of millions for timed exclusive of course they're gonna go cash out en epic
Mason Ward
yes it's called not having any games
Jaxson Rodriguez
I bet as soon as the china man doesn´t pay for exclusives anymore the store will suddenly be "bad" for devs.
Gavin Nelson
Whatever you say, Chang
Christopher Turner
>Steam could offer devs a better deal you know and win their exclusivity instead of giving it to Epic And that would piss off the consumers, providing them with negative returns. Epic is killing itself while Valve laughs.
Alexander Edwards
>Just cut a third or a half of your service revenue!
Retard.
Samuel Perez
This. We need Epic to expand into consoles. Everyone will know the good news of Epic Games Store and Epic Games Consoles.
Easton Gonzalez
Because it shows Valve has no idea what appeals to people anymore?
Valve drones (and Gaben himself) are in deep denial about the appeal of VR
These two games are their TOP VR games and they're not being played at all
And reminder, Gaben said Artifact would do to card games what Half Life 2 did to single player games.
Only greedy jews and no name indie pixel shitters want to put their game on Epic.
Henry Clark
Steam is both a curse and a blessing
Would've lost contact with a lot of people w/out it but also would've gotten hl3
Blake Fisher
>aren't Sony's, MS' and Nintendo's even higher than 30%? Make console. Build infrastructure around it, print discs.
While steam - OI GOYM 30%!
Aaron Clark
stop treating it as a flop there was no hype for it whatsoever, everyone fucking knew it would fail.
Jack Walker
>nintendo, MS, sony and valve all have a monopoly on gaming HOLY SHIT
Blake Carter
Can't blame his parents. You'd expect a kid with that name to become a multi billionaire by the age of 6. Guess the meme magic didn't take though.
Ryder Reyes
NOBODY CARES ABOUT SHITSCORD STEAM SHILL EPIC OFFERS BETTER DEAL
Brandon Harris
Maybe because the games are so shit it’s the only way for them to do business.
This is AAAs piss poor attempt at control. Look at recent crop of AAA titles, shit after shit..
Ryan Jones
They don't need to, Steam has a much bigger user base that devs want access to. Epic's time is limited, buying exclusives is an initial investment, they can't keep doing it forever.
Isaiah Wright
Maybe because VR is a massive flop? It's not like there's any better alternatives to Steam, all the competition is absolute garbage.
Robert Hill
>>Valve could literally kill epic or any other launcher without even trying.
See I love this Steam fantasy world Valve drones live in. Honestly, Steam drone, has Valve made anything successful in the past few years?
>Steam machines? Flop >Steam controllers? Flop >SteamOS? Flop >Steam Link? Flop >Shartifact? You better believe that was a flop >Source 2? Not even made to even be a flop >Steam Videos? Flop >Steam VR? Fired devs
Literally the only money they have is from rent controlling other peoples games like a corrupt landlord, and that's gonna end soon.
Valve drones were hyping it up for months on Yea Forums. Don't think I'd forget
John Rodriguez
>PC has always done better than consoles. ah yes, look at all of those PC developers nowadays, full of life, thriving
Epic Games - ditched PC for MS's cock id Software - died for the entirety of 7th gen Looking Glass - dead Ion Storm - dead Westwood - dead 3D Realms - dead Monolith - ditched PC for consoles DICE - ditched PC for consoles SirTech - dead Sierra - dead Big Huge Games - dead Ensemble Studios - dead Relic - just no Bioware - no Paradox - a plague Black Isle Studios - dead Beamdog - dead
and the list goes on, but noooooooooo PC was totally fine its not like RTS genre is dead in the water and FPS games are all made for consoles nowadays
Christian Long
Put it on GOG if you don’t like Steam.
Christian Watson
Yeah right.. like anyone would complain if Steam did what Epic is doing. Valve simply doesn't care about consumers.
Gabriel Gutierrez
>Even if you don't use Steam, if you use GoG I see steamfags saying this a lot but no, GoG isn't affected by EGS poaching at all. They're snatching big releases, the kind that were bound to drop with DRM regardless. GoG was never an option to begin with
Nothing to do with american jewligarchy directly, this is just underage shitters being unironical contrarians because they saw big brother Yea Forums do it first.
Epic Games Store is giving everyone a free playform with great games and a ever growing library of games. They deserver everything while steam should rot.
Owen Sanchez
Go eat some dog, Cao Cao.
Jayden White
Look at the poor chink shill SEETHING at Discord for exposing their communism.
Matthew Morris
Can I get that 2.5x in actual numbers?
Jaxson Taylor
>steam drones Hi, chink
Jordan Sanders
Because they're lazy and complaining is easier to them. Look at how many people ask basic questions when they could just google it themselves. Working at a customer service centre is a fucking nightmare with how many stupid clients you get.
Levi Reed
can't wait till fortnite money dries up so the paid epic shills can stop shitting this board up
Jacob Roberts
Because the entire discussion is a red herring.Steam is and always has been a better deal for developers than brick and mortar. Other online stores already offer a better deal than Steam. This never has had anything to do with the 30% whatsoever.
Epic is making their move by guaranteeing pay out and they're maneuvering to play the video game market like it was cable packages in the 90s. That's the appeal for risk averse publishers. Lower risk and the possibility of long term rewards. The actual cut is pretty fucking meaningless.
Elijah Price
now this is communism
Elijah Taylor
This fucking guy. Were you dropped on your head as a child Chang?
Easton Campbell
>literally made linux gaming more accessible this year >lazy piece of shit Pearls before swine, I bet you're a consolefag too
Carson Baker
They distribute your software?
Nolan Johnson
I spend 60 hours a week around coders and developers. Most are autistic retards. They're not the gods people think they are. They are usually wrong about anything not enclosed in brackets.
Gavin Gutierrez
All of Valve's writers and developers that worked on their actual video games have left the company. If that doesn't tell you what Valve's priorities are, nothing else will.
David Wood
>no drm makes the suits piss their pants. GOG is goat for us as consumers and terrible for publishers/devs. Which we don't give a shit about but we aren't the ones selling games are we
Hudson Wilson
Chances are extremely high that it blew up after it crashed and any witnesses just watched as the passengers burned to death.
Aaron Wilson
Holy shit. This really is a shill. Old as fuck meme, check. Separating each sentence reddit style, check. Listing normalfag programs as your examples, check. This is literally the trifecta of shilling.
Luis Gutierrez
You have completely lost sight of any sense in your arguments. You've essentially turned into a raving madman spouting insanities.
Lucas Perez
Yes, their priorities are Steam, what matters, not their shitty games.
Ethan Scott
>Great games
Gabriel Johnson
Just like they’re doing with Capitalism
Dominic Ortiz
What's wrong with the Discord store?
Evan Morales
>forking WINE and pretending you invented linux gaming
Lazy.
Jace Morris
>linux gaming Kek. Go play tux racer and stop embarrassing yourself here fag.
Robert Hall
>It's a monopoly because you cant choose not to buy a steam key. You absolutely can, just not for every game. Just look at origin, do you think buying FFXV on origin gives you a steam key? You're wrong.
Leo Cook
Sticky when?
Zachary Walker
>Steam is free to run and maintain!! Are you fucking retarded? Just because it's not something you can touch, doesn't mean that it's free. Those services they provide cost a fortune to maintain.
Levi Gray
So what is that Epic games has the name epic on it and none of the quality of life features of steam. And if steam dies all our games disappear lol
Luke Reyes
Oh no, I will not get Reddit Life 3, what will I do without another shitty tech demo.
Jaxon Murphy
>disgruntled employee talks shit about former employer wow, you faggots will eat up anything
Gavin Cruz
Steam has great games is free and have ever groving library if games. What is your problem with steam what does steam does bad that epic doesn't do?
Matthew Davis
It's preventing big-money passion projects from existing, which is about as sad.
Gabriel Taylor
dev and publisher shills care too much about DRM that's why.
Lucas Jones
This is the new thread unless someone makes a new one
Adam Flores
You should save all these "pics" created by this shill. He is just using the basic meme panels and putting in epic.
Luke Lee
Nobody cares about consoles faggot.
Angel Martinez
I can run server for pennies a day. It cost nothing to run steam.
Jaxon Peterson
>But Steam drones honestly can never answer me on what Valve actually does to earn their 30% - Advertising new games on the store's front page - Access to a bigger audience to buy their games - If the game is good/sells well it will get on top of sales charts, prompting more people to notice and maybe buying said games - When someone on your friend list bought and play said games you also see them, prompting you to notice and potentially buying said games - Access to the steam discussion forums for developers to interact with their fanbase or vice versa There's probably some other stuff I'm missing, but the advertisements and access to Steam's userbase is probably worth more than the 30% profit cut to justify the game not being self published on the developer's own website to save up that 30% profit cut.
Thomas Torres
What does Artifact have to do with the store?
Jaxon Wright
Steam still has alot of time to play the nice guy. Alot of people are still pissed, and more than likely the publishers will cave before Steam is forced to lift a finger
Sebastian Foster
Why did you make a new thread for shitposting, Chang?
Samuel Thomas
PC gaming is more than just games you know. Unlike on consoles it's more complex than charging schmucks $5 for online and then making them play peer to peer,
oh by the way that'll be $10 to change your name as soon as we figure out how to do that without breaking many of our own games t. sony
James Mitchell
30% is completely fair considering what Steam offers to both developers and customers, fuck off bugman.
Wyatt Cook
>Exclusives and multiple viable competing storefronts are now standard practices on the PC. They must be for it to grow and remain sustainable/viable as a business. this is your brain on consolefag publishers
Jonathan Williams
This epic shilling should be banned but stupid gookmoot probably took a bribe from the chinks to let it happen
Robert Walker
This is the new thread unless someone makes a different one
Jonathan Harris
>Steam exdev says that reviews aren't the problem behind review bombing but rather a bad comunication between dev and costumer >Must be a Valve shill >Steam exdev says that Valve was bad for PC gaming and that exclusives are unironically a good thing >Somehow he is totally legite and not an Epic shill
Brody Peterson
GOG Galaxy is just for convenience.
Ryan Hernandez
>Not literally getting paid millions in Fortnite money just to sell your game for free on someone elses bandwidth
lol Todd had to go crawling back to Steam after the F76 fiasco you really think they're going to risk more bad pr now?
Adam Nguyen
If Valve was so profitable, why don't they have any money, relative to other kings of the industry?
Benjamin Gonzalez
yes this is fucking bethesda we're talking about.
Jeremiah Ross
Steam support maybe?
Cameron Bailey
>Valve drones were hyping it up for months on Yea Forums. Don't think I'd forget >retards were being retarded while everyone laughed at them okay faggot, completely dismiss the fact that shartifact was literally booed on its reveal
Blake Gonzalez
>while Epic provides better games.
Grayson Carter
jesus christ zoe quinn really ruined herself
Nathaniel King
>i love giving every company my credit card info! no way a storefront that looks like ass and taking forever to implement features wont have my info max secure!
Mason Campbell
Wow, a game almost any retard with a shit PC can play and one that requires a 970 or better, and is competing with other VR titles, I wonder which one will have more players!
Carter Lopez
Ok you convinced me. I won't buy games anymore since 70% of my purchase in the pockets of the devs is equivalent to 0% anyway.
Lincoln Richardson
>183 posters >528 posts Pathetic. Can we show IDs for Ep*c shilling threads already?
Luis Gonzalez
when will you, and mongos like you, realise that it's not about drm, it's about valve not having control of the market.
(((Goldreich))) isn’t seeing the forest for the trees, PC gaming has blown up because there was a service that people trusted, that added lots of new features, that kept up with the times, that gave people access to tons of new titles. The 30% cut is ultimately irrelevant, as without Steam in 2005-2015 there wouldn’t be the market we have today where Epic can try to strong arm everything.
I’ve actually never heard one argument about why EGS is better for the people that are actually buying the games. I get that people are naturally myopic but these devs are making a huge mistake by acting like this is shit we should all care for.
I also fail to se ehow the PC market is in any trouble whatsoever as devs like Capcom and Namco have done really well on Steam this year. These guys are assholes.
Ian Allen
New thread
Adrian Allen
That't probably the most strawman argument I've seen in my entire life.
Adrian Cox
nah he raped too many of their women for them to bribe him
Kayden Roberts
New Steam bashing thread. >Oh I can't wait
Joshua Morales
>optimization What does this mean. Countless games are unplayable on steam while they work flawlessly on GoG >Servers Okay >Workshop Limited and inferior version to get mods >Marketplace A way for them to farm even more $$$ without deserving it >Stable connection and free updates Stable what, servers? You already said servers. And steam forces you to use it to be able to play games you've bought so having it be stable is expected
When do you sleep, epicfag? I know this is your life, but seriously, when do you sleep?
Michael Hill
You realize Tim Sweeney is trying to do everything people claim Valve did to ruin PC gaming and worse, right?
Isaac Williams
The contempt these people have for their audience, I dont get it. If Steam dies it will be because something better replaces it, better FOR CUSTOMERS. Look at the history of tech, all industry-first innovations die (the classic example is DIVX, but there are lots of others). The only way you succeed is by offering the customers a better product.
Watching the so call PC master race lose their collective shit over the concept of games being exclusive to a certain platform has got to be the funniest thing I've seen in my entire life. How can you be struggling with a concept that's been ingrained in this medium since inception?
Brody Jones
Don't forget Origin and Uplay Bethesda launcher and Battle.net don't count since they practically don't have a shit
Anthony Anderson
Please, answer my question. You might be the key for increased productivity around the world.
Luis Powell
You realize this dev got a fucking job at Capcom because of this game right?
Tyler Ward
And it's better than just sitting there and not doing anything. Just ask wrestling fans faggot.
Lol of course it is. Steam had no direct competition until recently ya big goof
Where did I mention Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft retard?
Gabriel Perez
Developers were doing this though. The problem is that most publishers are suits that haven't touched a game in their life, and think DRM does literally anything, so their only choice was steam.
Jonathan Russell
Done
John Thompson
DRM eliminates most piracy and nearly outright kills unauthorized multiplayer.
Cameron Edwards
They just don't get it, they're not games so they don't see it our way. If it wasn't for steam GFWL would be on top and it would be damn near impossible to strong arm MS like they're strong arming steam.
Gabriel Perez
Reminder that Valve takes a profit share of 0% for keys that you generate for Steam and sell outside of Steam Store.
What he's saying is russians don't get to generate tens of thousands of keys of their shovelware games to sell to eachother for pennies and then exploit the trading card and gems with it.
Jackson Campbell
>give you keys on the condition that you don't sell them cheaper than Steam >deny you more keys if you do it Truly a mystery.
Luke Wright
>makes PC gaming bigger than ever >"killing PC gaming"
