I hope you realize that nobody used katana the same way it's displayed in video games, Western television, etc

>They're not that fragile. They're more brittle, but you've a fuckton of steel making up a very chubby, stubby little sword. They're shorter than most one-handed swords for a reason. They have to be, to avoid the dumb shit you're going on about. Other than being a little on the short side(and two-handed), they're used the same as any other curved sword. Or really, any sword. Try to cut the motherfucker and if you can't then smash, bash, hack or stab until he's dead.

Katanas were mostly used for executions of commoners.
Real weapon was obviously a spear and bow. Just like everywhere else.

Where do you find your retard history, friend? I really want to see these sources. I bet you grew up obsessing over the "obscure" weapons in games and have created a head canon about what was used for what.

>Real weapon
You mean primary weapons. It's a convenient and versatile sidearm. A few millennia of fucking everywhere on earth should tip you off to that.

so you're telling me fantasy isn't reality?

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>spear autists

Oh shit, you’re telling me the game where a headless giant ape fights you with a sword isn’t realistic?

there is so much factually wrong with this post it's hard to begin unpacking it all

cope

And there's the "muh fantasy" autist, right on schedule.

weebs were a mistake. This shit is literally retarded.

>easily break

lol okay master smith

ITT Things only weenies care about

>Katana debate
>Spear virgins chime in
Every time.
The Naginata was a peasant and a woman's weapon. Spears were given to the least trained and cowardly of troops.
There is a reason the Roman Empire conquered every Greecuck and Celtic spearloving country. Nothing can beat the sword.

Yes but lets be honest OP, if Katana were realistic they'd merely be items of apparel which symbolises class and celebrate ceremony in 95% of examples.

Take a history class, retard. They couldn't even get good iron to work with in Japan, it was all shit. You live with myths and fairy tales about katanas.

They had no access to high quality materials, therefore the katana is largely the result of the materials available. Tamahagane steel is of relatively low quality with many impurities, therefore, the forging process is meant to account for these. The Romans on the other hand mined iron of relatively high quality on a proto-industrial scale, therefore they had no need to develope the forging techniques of the Japanese to produce a similar quality sword. Likewise, a sword forged of high quality steel with japanese techniques would not yield a higher quality sword. Even more boring, a modern sword is likely to be of even higher quality and more effectively forged than anything history will be able to field.

The romanticized aura that surrounds the Katana is largely the product of western entertainment. Compared to a high quality basket hilted sword for example, the katana is heavier and less flexible. It is therefore more unwieldly and more likely to break (in most cases, there are many different styles of katanas just as there are many different kinds and qualities of basket hilted swords).

In no fucking way they could ever compete with European blacksmiths and their swords.

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What the fuck we're they really this strong?

>There is a reason the Roman Empire conquered every Greecuck and Celtic spearloving country
shields are op

I think the Japs would know a little bit more about the katana than you do pal because they invented it

t. plage of gripes

youtube.com/watch?v=lspB3QhrW_Q

Sharpness is overrated by modern enthusiasts and had very little baring on the reality of a weapons effectiveness.

To summarize his point he took a replica broadsword (the type intended to be displayed on a plaque in your home) and he verified that it had a dull, never-sharpened edge and then he successfully recreated the same cutting power the katana demonstrated.

katana weebs are on suicide watch

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The Greeks had shields too. The difference was the sword.
Fun fact. Phalanx, the spear formation is where the word Phallus comes from. Spear wielders are literally called penis handlers lol.

>I hope you realize that nobody used katana the same way it's displayed in video games, Western television, etc.
>Katanas are fragile as fuck and easily break, you cannot parry with it, you cannot have a duel with katanas clashing, you basically can't do shit with it but to hope that you can pull it out as fast as possible and finish your opponent with a deadly blow first. Basically, same as cowbows with their revolvers.

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No one shot magic out of katanas. No one fought ogres or giant snakes either.

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Fucking faggots, only weeaboos and retards like swords, especially when the superior weapon was here all along.

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Oh yeah, can you prove it?

Musashi was also a woman (virgin).

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>No one fought ogres or giant snakes either.
Uh yes they did? Why do you think there aren't any left in modern times? Because they were all killed.

>retards think katanas are easily breakable

Its a sword made to cut flesh, not heavy armor.
So obviously if you hit hard surfaces enough time it will form dents.
The hardest thing you should hit with an katana are bones.
Spears are the only good weapon to use against hard armors.

There was already an inherent cultural value on katana's in japanese culture. Historically, due to lack of land, the regent (shogun) could not reward all his vasall samurai with land after he took power (as western kings did). Instead the samurai loyalty was rewarded with a "high quality" katana to distinguish the samurai (almost the same symbolic meaning as medals). Also, resources were scarce in Japan, so a well made sword was treasured and shown with great respect, and not because it was razor sharp.

This transfer of authority and power from the shogun to his samurai, symbolically embodied by the awarding of a katana, went hand-in-hand with the bushido philosophy, where the "fighting spirit" or bushido virtues was objectified into the katana.

Popular culture and folk lore myth was bountiful on how the katana of legendary heroes would split their enemies (or rocks) in pieces.

Western culture also had a few of those myths (Excalibur) but when japanese movies and comics started showing in western society, those media contained plenty of stories on almost magical katanas, that could cut through steel as long as they were wielded by a hero who could direct their "Chi" or willpower (cue George Lucas).

So there isn't any historical incidents where the katanas were shown to be superior to western swords (actually reverse if you compare the height of western weapon smiths to the best japanese smiths).

Damn he got the Shinobi Esoteric Text

What anime is this anyway?
I might give it a watch if the fight scenes are good.

Yeah dude they were folded sixteen quadrillion times

The Sacred Blacksmith.
Its just as retarded as it looks.

>Musashi was also a woman (virgin).
>virgin
user....

close but no cigar

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If you aren't using Guts' Sword in any game (if it's available or it's possible to mod it in), then you are doing it wrong, kids.

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thanks been looking for this gif for a while

There doesn't exist anything made to cut armor.
>spears
>good against armor

>superior weapon
>all the damage is focused on the tip
>dodge a little
>get hit by the shaft with little impact

Cope

>he doesn't know
Samurai were horse archers dingus

To be honest you need pretty high IQ to be able to properly use a katana.

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Is the Roman Gladius the most aesthetically pleasing sword in history?

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Virgin.

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>Clearly fantastic Japan.
>Your Katana is so legendary it has a fucking name.
>So its clearly not a run of the mill Katana.
You're retarded, please go to Gaia Online and be retarded there instead.

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>Spears are the only good weapon to use against hard armors.
While effective, a mace or metal club would be far more powerful. A spear's counter against armor comes from being able to stab through weakpoints, but you can hit most areas of an armored body with a mace and deal significant damage through the force of the impact.
Then again I'd choose a spear over a sword should I have to because I have no actual experience wielding medieval weapons, and a spear is the best for an amateur.

yes, but no crossguard means its shit

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Fuck off mono

Someone hurry up and post the qt cutting the bamboo

MGR2 fucking when?
Sci-fi augmented katanas were the best, THE BEST.
It was dumb as fuck but nobody cared because muh nanomachines instead of "fantasy garbage".

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Sam's sword having an ar receiver on it was so fucking stupid but so fucking cool.

A good spear will pierce through most armors, no matter the material.
If someone can wear it, it can be pierced by a spear.
If you can't understand that then just think about nails. We use nails to puncture walls and other hard surfaces in constructions, ever wondered why?
Shields are the only equipment that can stand spears thrusts because shields are thicker than armor.

I still don't understand the point of the magazine on this

DELET THIS

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Numbers, training, and durable equipment? Rome didn't always have the strongest weapons, but they always had the least fragile and most dependable weapons.

katana can suck a shit

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This is less about the katana and more about the steel used and the conditions of the event.

>Sword which breaks is held down unable to flex
As seen in the katana, it flexes which means that energy can be spread / dispersed and 'managed'. The sword held in place is not given any ability to flex, which result in what is seen, it shatters at the highest point of energy.

>Steel used
I wouldn't be surprised if the sword which breaks is 440c stainless steel, a common steel used in "Wall hangers" (And kitchen knives etc...), it's cheap, doesn't rust and is notoriously more brittle than most carbon steels. Likewise I imagine the katana is a carbon steel, probably 1090 (Standard for a katana) which makes it strong but with a much greater ability to disperse energy than stainless steel.

This is perpetrating a myth (That a katana can cut through swords) when in reality it's the experiments conditions and materials used.

No, that'd be those kukri looking motherfuckers.

>>dodge a little
Fucking Dark Souls autists jesus

Not even remotely close, the Falcata already outclassed it in its own time.
The venetian Schiavona is by far the most aesthetic european sword.

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Just a way to carry an extra magazine for your rifle.

no
there's a reason the estoc died with chain

English please

fuck year

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>I still don't understand the point of the magazine on this
How else would you power up nano-vibrations?

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I always assumed sam's sword was like a gun sword. But instead of firing to "vibrate the sword" sam pulls the trigger and the combustion helps unsheathe his sword faster.

You can parry a Katana, just not in the same way you would a western sword. Though, unlike Sekiro, if you're in a spot and you -have- to parry, you're already in a really bad position.

Basically what you do is you rotate the sword so that the thicker end catches the opponents blade, then you quickly row it off to the side. This should theoretically also damage their blade as the thicker end is surprisingly durable while the thinner cutting end is really easy to break.

It has ammo in it, thats how Sam fires it from the sheathe.

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nano-magazines

But then what's inside the magazine? When he first uses the sheathe, you don't see anything eject from it, it just pushes a pin against the crossguard incredibly fast. It would make more sense if the pin was replaced by an actual bullet.

based

lmao at this retard

Nails work because you’re putting a large amount of force on a tiny surface area, kinda like hydraulics.

I was digging for images of Kopises to contradict you until I actually read your post. Fuck yeah. Leaf blades are fucking pretty as hell, too.

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Based katanas living in medieval autist heads rent free and making them seethe forever

>But then what's inside the magazine?
trail mix

>Katana at beginning.
>Lowngsword at the end

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Rondel daggerchads where you at?

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ds3 proves sword+shield >>> spear
lol spearfag can't do anything up close and all his attacks get blocked as the sword&board effortlessly walks in

Name one thing wrong with this weapon
You can't

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What's wrong about any of it?
Or are all the people that believe in mythical katanas and that steel can cut through another, equal steel just because it's "Sharper" when it reality it's the tip of the blade that'll shatter?
Or that other steels are different, with cheap 440c being easy to break (Even swinging a 440c stainless steel sword can cause it to snap).
Secondly what's wrong about the flex of the sword being an important factor. It's always a major factor especially when determining the purpose of the sword.

the impact straightened it

You never see bullets in gun swords. Japs don't understand how guns or bullets actually work.

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Only holds one round

What the fuck is supposed to shoot?

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>tfw a peasant's farming tool is a better weapon than a katana

youtu.be/LnkjS58yb2U

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Well, peasants killed even Geralt.

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what's wrong is you watched an edit and the katana did this

The balance of both the sword and the gun is absolutely fucked. Assuming it fires a musket as well, there's a real risk of the musket ricocheting in the barrel causing inaccuracy and always the risk of it hitting the blade of the sword.
It's a cool novelty though and I suppose if someone is standing in front of the tip of your sword, it would actually find pretty decent purpose for quickly killing.

based
>that sword break

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Who cares motherfucker it looks cool and videogames are for fun, go do your lecture at the retirement home, Jesus fucking Christ almighty.

>develope
stopped reading there, mouth-breathing revisionist.

In case you don't know, Nipponese Zipangu dainraymaku folded steel was folded over 20,000 times in the process of creating every sword wielded on the shining country.

Admittedly it's incorrect in the context then, but every point made would reasonably explain the outcome of the first video and are important considerations to make for anyone who partakes in sword collecting or are just generally interested in swords.

>The balance of both the sword and the gun is absolutely fucked
you be sayin wes need mo dakka?

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Thats not actual combat though

>Japanese folded steel was still composed of some of the worst sword steel used
>Celtics innovated the practice of folding steel 100's to a 1000 years before the Japanese.

The folded steel is still a beautiful feature and great traditional technique, and did vastly improve the initial viability of the steel used however it was unfortunately (Due to geographic and techniques) still made of extremely shit steel.

I think Geralt was piss drunk when he was killed, and also it was a mob.

I gazed upon your eyes and knew that you are my nigger.

nigger you can slingshot your ass onto roofs and stuff from your prosthetic arm, why would you expect the Katanas to be realistic

>100's to a 1000 years
>100's to
no

better to attach a sword to a gun that the other way around

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If it can break a wooden sword it can easily break some shitty katana

Personally I'm a sucker for the Falchion. Still looking for a good design from a high retailer and not windlass (Which isn't also ludicrously expensive custom made or suffer from import issues).

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Even better to attach a second gun to a gun and just carry a knife.

youtu.be/w_3W1zg683A?t=353

I'm not sure why that edit gets so much play other than it helps to support a terrible argument. Katanas were shit, this isn't big news. They had to be folded a thousand times because Japan is TERRIBLE when it comes to iron. Their metal resources on their islands are awful, their swords were folded to remove imperfections, but the iron was still exceptionally poor. The beauty of the katana is that Japan took a lousy resource and persevered, it wasn't a good sword it would definitely lose to any other blade in a one on one clash, but it was better than it should have been. It's like WWII. At the start of WWII Japan's air force was still good enough to be more than a blip. They had one and it was notable, but it was terrible. All their planes were made of wood and rope and paper/cloth. They had very little metal in their country, so they had never had to compose airplanes out of iron and steel and everything else.

The Japanese are industrious, that's their strength. They take a shitty hand and make it work better than you'd think. Which is why giving them resources and options always leads to them being innovators and industry leaders.

>I hope you realize that nobody used katana the same way it's displayed in video games, Western television, etc.

And you roamed thru feudal Japan and have a good understanding of everything katana was for&how over a period of over 400 years.

As sabre?! As sashimi maker!?As an defense tool!?
Samurai were known to sacrifice their hand to preserve their ka ta na?
>Would you lay it rest, it was an tool for a job, it was not good or bad, it did wat it had to do when it had to do it, be it swinging, hitting,clashing ,breaking,thrusting, it's a fucking cleaver for humans.
It's not a cool thing in it's sustenance.

my nigga

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Sorry, sweetie, but it's a historical fact that Japan had no good materials and ways to fold a single good weapon same as Europeans.
They were centuries behind the European blacksmiths and European steel.

Nah man, the gunshot vibrates the blade making it slice better

whomst are you quoting?

>Gif in 2019

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>Even better to attach a second gun to a gun and just carry a knife.
No, because you waste time trying to pull out a knife while bayonet knife allows you to use it immediately when necessary (if you are out of ammo and someone is pushing you in that moment, for instance).

Japanese people are literally Aztecs that had SOOO much luck, it's unbelievable.
If Mongolians crossed that sea, there would be no Japan, island people historically had +1 on luck.
Trust me, Mongols would run them over like nothing.

Gun powered iai, basically. He does it at least once during a cutscene, I think when you beat armstrong?

Has any sword been more well designed for its era and military tactical use than the gladius?

The thing is the definition of beauty in simplicity.

>triple the filesize

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No shit, it's a demonstration. Those techniques can all be applied in real combat

See, I watched that anime and anyone else who has knows there’s a lot more wrong with it than “lmao katana cut European sword”

>bandicam in 2019

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Never underestimate the power of a group of peasants.

bet Geralt was too proud to munch a chicken wing midfight

The gladius was hardly well designed for its era, it was an incredibly limited tool that could simply not compete with any of the other swords of the time in terms of actual utility.
It was just very cheap and incredibly fast to produce which helped with the Romans' idea of zerg rushing with numbers, but as a weapon, it was incredibly limited, barely better than a pugio even, the best you could do was stabbing things from behind your shield, it was a literal meatshield weapon that only basic bitch miles used.

Now, the Spatha on the other hand, was a much better weapon despite also suffering from some of the same issues as the gladius, but having a reach superior to that of a toothpick made it much better.

In terms of best performance, there's a lot of swords that are extremely well designed, basket hilt types are probably the apex when it comes to flexibility and sheer range of utility, but there's also many swords that shine in terms of singular strengths, like chopping or thrusting, the russian shashka for instance is a neat saber type.

So you’re telling me the game about zombie shinobi man parrying ghosts and samurai doesn’t have realistic katana physics? Say it isn’t so desu

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This guy is BTFO'ing all the dirty weebs in this thread but probably none of them even read the post because it wouldn't fit into their tiny attention span.

Thats not a falcata
It has no inward curve

Not knowing this is ironic-weed tier

>Thats not a falcata
You don't say

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>Thats not a falcata

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That's not a khopesh, a shotel or a kris

>unga bunga

>simple, functional
You can't go wrong with a Longsword

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