Why won't someone please think of the poor developers!

>My costs are essentially zero
so you made the game in 0 seconds?

Just looked up his game, looks boring as fuck and a Limbo ripoff.

youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-BOr5KNo

I know it must blast his butt that hentai games are beating his artistic magnum opus.

>release a game with zero marketing
>on fucking Halloween, when everyone and their dogs are going to be releasing their super spooky Halloween games
>during a big holiday sale without a sale of your own
The guy was a dumbass who should have waited a week.

>$1.5 out of every sale is A LOT

Holy fuck, I thought it was just the aesthetic getting ripped off but literally everything about it is literally Limbo.

Ask Valve for money.

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Or maybe he works a day job and devs a game in his free time because it's something he's passionate but still fiscally responsible about and didn't just start a patreon thinking strangers are gonna subsidize his living while works on his dream full time

>click a random part in video
>player character is chased by robotic spider

kek

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Your most valuable resource is time, even shitposting on Yea Forums has a cost.

Friendly reminder that 'game developers' is unironically a code word for 'entitled discord trannies'
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature and the right set of skills can easily build themselves some publicity and make mad cash from buyfags and paypigs.

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Okay, smartass

>I know it must blast his butt that hentai games are beating his artistic magnum opus.

I've been unironically thinking that I could execute one of my game ideas but with porn to make a bit of money out of it.

I would love to have these indie devs explain how hollow knight managed to make 2 millions on steam?

It's been getting good reviews and sold enough for enhanced Switch port though.

>Friendly reminder that 'game developers' is unironically a code word for 'entitled discord trannies'
This, sadly. Devs used to be cool.

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He lists legitimate competition which Epic isn't doing.

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>When was the last time the Steam store got any kind of update
steam literally started offering free nat solving and free game server hosting for all of its games in the past year. dark souls remasterd makes use of it as an example.
shows how much these retards know

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I think the question that should be asked is why does Valves store require an update?
As a user the Steam store is perfectly functional.

There has been "legitimate" competition in the form of the EA store and the Ubisoft store. Problem is, every other competitor has greeded out and did stupid shit that made Steam look golden by comparison.

Epic is no exception, though they are doing the Walmart strategy of using unsustainable practices to drive out the existing market. They are giving a high percentage to devs NOW, that they will definitely raise in the future. They are adding spyware to your machine that scans your hard drive for your steam library. They are harvesting and selling the data they collect on you (same with Yea Forums desu).

Anyone who can't see that Epic is the biggest bait in the world deserves to get baited.

30% is actually more when you sell it for more, I know math is incredibly difficult for retards but this crybabying is fucking retarded, if you feel you deserve more money, raise the price of your fucking product, if not, make a better product.

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>that they will definitely raise in the future
Wrong, Tim said it was the absolute minimum they could do, and it's worse when you look and realize how much of that cost is being pushed into the consumers through transaction fees and far worse regional pricing.
You, the consumer, is paying for it.

was he on EGS's side during the whole journal black PR campaign? if yes, then fuck him

Do these fuckin dipshits think Valve just sits on its thumbs and does NOTHING for players/developers? What about the crazy integration APIs and massive chat updates they've gotten recently?

Uuuuh that's not rEAL services! Where the fuck are my free stacks of money???

So more expensive games!
That's gonna win us over for sure!

This right here is the literal definition of entitlement.
Take note, shitposters.

>epic store is looking more appealing
NIGGER
YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET YOUR 2D SHITE ON THERE YOU FUCKING AUTISTIC RETARDED NIGGER
WHY ARE DISCORD TRANNIES SO FUCKING DUMB
FUCKING HELL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Has any indie developer with a hit under their belt complained about Valve?
I kinda get the vibe that most vocal developers are the ones that aren't worth a shit and are just trying to blame external factors of their relative failure.

ask them what valve should've done with steam and they'll answer "uhhh games? hl3?"

But don't you know that all of that is useless because I personally don't care about it?
Really why do the retards here always reply the same way when people list the features Steam has. Most people care about them and use them no matter whether some random Yea Forumsirgin likes it or not.

if it's not something retarded simple that can be summed up in a single word so a monkey could understand it doesn't exist to blue checkmark "people"
who cares that valve is almost singlehandedly killing windows and bringing about a Linux/vulcan golden age, who cares that valve is offering free multiplayer hosting/routing to the developers, who cares that they're offering free controller support to the developers etc
my discord said steam bad so steam bad!

Can't these idiots just admit they are greedy?

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you should invite me to the discord

You don't want to know what discord this is on.
There are EGS shills on them though, and they are fucking stupid and needlessly hostile.

Jim Sterling has and he's significantly more important to games development than developers.

>I CAN SELL X ON EPIC
BUT YOU'LL NEVER GET YOUR SHIT ON EPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE WHAT THE FUCK YOU DUMB TRANNY STOP POSTING

>One of you decided to take a screenshot of that, post it to Yea Forums anonymously as if it was coming from me
Kek

I don't care lol I want to see the pile of rot for myself

>switch
Of course it would. Switchfags are so desperate for games they'll buy anything.

The rest of the server isn't full of these jackasses. So no. And that's final.

>>Meanwhile Epic rejected Assault Android Cactus despite being critically acclaimed.

Android Cactus looks like a piece of shit.

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jim sterling has never done anything noteworthy or even made a game and isn't exactly known for his intelligence

Why are indie devs so uppity and always blame everyone but themselves if their game doesn't do well?

based

whatever faggot, I'll just private message that whiskers bitch on discord and claim I'm a journalist that wants to make an article on her and need an invite to the discord

Does this guy expect for his game to come out and then be advertised specially on the first page of new games for everyone to see? As with any game, if you care about sales you have to advertise it in some way, whether that be through internet or other sources.

AAC has 2 players on it. It's sold through already. New people aren't gonna rush to buy his rerelease on a different store. Epic doesn't care what the metacritic is, just how much they can sell. They have pic related on their store

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>all the pixel indieshit garbage will be quarantined on EGS
epic

Self-selection.
If they were smart rational people they wouldn't go into indie game development. Shit profits and merely good as passion project.

>'Valve literally doesn't do anything'
>New multiplayer API for both Steam and non-Steam games
>New Steam UI
>Proton
>Steam workshop (which some devs have said convinced them to add in mod support for their games)
>Large support for VR for devs that want to create those kinds of games, going so far as to pay VR developers to not make their games exclusive to any hardware or platforms
>Allows devs and publishers to sell keys on their own sites for 100% profit, the only stipulation being that you have to allow the game to be sold on Steam too

The absolute state of some of these fuckers. Most of their games wouldn't even get accepted onto the curated Epic Game Store so I don't know why they think Epic's going to be great for them

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Takes you 25 minutes to get a new IP? Slow.
Step it up, there's barely any of your shill threads on the catalog.

Most devs have massive egos since they deal with a creative medium. They inflate their egos and game ideas with the notion that they are unique and deserve high marks for their efforts.

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Once another store front/platform is actually up to par with steam in functionality, perhaps consumers would be more keen to make the switch/keep other clients installed.
Epic's storefront doesn't even have a fucking cart, last time I checked.

Solution:
Make a game worth more than $5. Or publish it on ID@Xbox to build up some money and fame since that's like $20 instead of $100

The "Valve is lazy" line is targeted at the fact they don't make games anymore. The funny part is they have several games in development, one of which is a single player game. But even if you say that it'll get dismissed as "lol lootbox f2p shitfest." They don't care if Valve actually delivers, they just want to shitpost.

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the price doesn't really matter, you need to get people interested and have a bunch of people buy it

If Steam is pro consumer why do they continuously allow publishers to wipe older or pre "remaster" versions of their games from the store just to force people to purchase the newest version?
If Steam is pro consumer, why do they not test older games and ensure they are working on modern OS like GOG does?
If Steam is pro consumer why did they lead the forefront on paid mods, lootboxes, early access and DRM?
If Steam is pro consumer why did they trojan horse an always online DRM system and storefront into their most anticipated game?
If Steam is pro consumer why do they force you to agree to a ToS which states they can and will share and sell your data to third party partners, or else lock you out of your account with no way to download any game you have purchased since they offer no version of offline install?

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fuck off chang

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Because people don't get into indie dev for money. Artistic pursuits are, as a rule, ego driven. There is no such thing as a humble writer, for example.

>Last update
Like a week ago if my thing restarting means any tho. But the real last big update was the big picture thing, right? They have a lot of stuff, too much becomes bloat and who likes bloat?
Also it's not taking 100 dollars if you're paying it to them.
>Nothing hostile about buying out games that were already set to release on a other store front
>Nothing hostile about buying out a game that the developers were using the other storefront's forums for audience interaction.
What a brainlet

And not once was even one point adressed. Nice try tough, drone.

>If Steam is pro consumer why do they continuously allow publishers to wipe older or pre "remaster" versions of their games from the store just to force people to purchase the newest version?
Do you think valve can hold their game hostage?

Oh boy the ol' "If the companies aren't sucking the consumers cocks they're literally enslaving them" guy is here.
Here's some food for thought, valve is a fucking company and made user friendly features to get more people to buy shit from them, being pro consumer for any company is incidental to making money, and testing the boundaries of what they are and aren't allowed to do.
Some nice things come out of it, like the features steam has, or the fact that they let EVERYONE refund now after the australia shit.
But a company isn't there to simply suck your cock for being a consumer dude, you're fucking nobody and demanding shit like a raving lunatic makes people think your way of thinking is retarded.

How about you post sources for all of those hefty claims you're making here?
Also half of those aren't even something Steam has anything to do with.

>being pro consumer for any company is incidental to making money
If anything Epic is proving right now that this isn't the case. You can shit potential custoimers in the mouth and they still come to you asking for extras. What valve did was a nice accident, they could've gone the Epic route and still be where they are now.

>If anything Epic is proving right now that this isn't the case. You can shit potential custoimers in the mouth and they still come to you asking for extras.
Where did you get this idea from?

>you're fucking nobody and demanding shit like a raving lunatic makes people think your way of thinking is retarded
>valve is a fucking company and made user friendly features to get more people to buy shit from them, being pro consumer for any company is incidental to making money
I take it you're just a bot who didn't know which script to use and kicked itself accidentily in the nuts.

I dunno, I refuse to use the Epic launcher until that botnet shit is gone and they start having basic features.
Call me retarded for using windows and what not, but they're not legally obligated to hand my info to the chinese government if demanded

>You can shit potential custoimers in the mouth and they still come to you asking for extras.

We have no actual numbers to support that people are using the Epic Game Store in droves for anything outside of Fortnite. The fact that they refused to give actual sales numbers for Metro Exodus is suspect enough

How about the fact that appealing to one retard that thinks demanding money for a product is anti consumer isn't the same as satiating hundreds of thousands of people with a simple policy change, fuckface.

is a discord about "inflated" pokemons, some weird stuff that people have with cartoon/videogame characters pregnacy.
That user is a tranny that doesn't accept he will never be able to get pregnant and developed that fetish.
I know because that whiskersfaggot is a famous devianart degenerate

Except literally no info has been released on how well epic store or any games on it are actually doing. They could be getting 100 sales a day right now

>cries about asset flippin videogames
>looks like Limbo

lol

This retard should watch the video by this indie dev who's 20 years in the industry and then stop whining about muh 30%.
youtube.com/watch?v=stxVBJem3Rs

he couldn't even spend 5 minutes doing market analysis to figure out why his game would get fucked by hentai [noun].

Why do these indie shitters think epic will allow their games on the epic store?

I would like to add they've added regional prices for more countries. It's nice I don't have to pay in freedumbux with a tax. Pic unrelated

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>wojak meme
holy boomer lmao

>If Steam is pro consumer why do they continuously allow publishers to wipe older or pre "remaster" versions of their games from the store just to force people to purchase the newest version?
Are you saying Steam should be able to sell whatever games they want without the publisher's approval, somehow? Do you think before you speak?

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Remember to add to that list:
>push for publishers to add non-windows OS support
>push for better controller support
>inform software developers and hardware manufacturers of the realities of user system specs
>create a support structure that allows for ease of release and continued support of games which is particularly valuable to smaller developers
>community hubs and forums allow developers ease of community interaction and customer support even if they do not have an off site game forum

Hey, I remember you!
Do you remember me?

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>discord screencap thread

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Shitty Indie games wouldn’t even get 20% as many sales they weren’t on steam. This shill is retarded.

Why is Gabe silent in all of this ebin debacle anyway?

>thinking Epic will give a shit about your indie game more then Steam does
Just call me back in a year or two when the Fortnite money stops coming in and they change the rate to 30%.

there's nothing to say
Epic is walking around handing people money just to pull theri games from steam and putting htem on epic
nothing can be done or said but just do better than epic

What's up with Valve and VR? Why are they investing so much to it?

Why should he, Valve is always concerned about long term profit.

someone please redpill me on 23whiskers1. What game has he made?

>be game dev
>absolutely shit on this guy for not advertising his game properly

gg nore

>Valve is paying for games to be on every platform
>Tencent is paying for them to only be on theirs
Why do people pretend Tencent are the good guys, here?

Trying to corner the market.

They clearly don't give a shit

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anit-steam thread got deleted and Steam keks defending Steam shitty practices thread is still up.
Mods are fucking faggots

because it isnt having any effect on their cash flow. hence they havent bothered lowering the cut of money they take from devs. because in the end its not making a fucking difference.

also they are getting halo so they automatically win. all ebin has is some garbage and some more garbage

>Tencent
>Tencent

Honestly Tencent is fairly hands-off with companies they have stakes in so long as they're profitable. Epic should get just about all of the blame for being greedy fucks

steam bad

it seriously does. that game looks like a fucking piece of shit. epic can do whatever they want, wasnt there a quote from some guy saying "there wont be shitty games on the epic store" or something similar? Assault Android Cactus looks like a fuckin shitty game lmao imagine defending it

the name is fucking stupid too, hahahahah what a piece of shit game

What little guys does Epic even have on their store? The only indies that they have are ones that don't even need visibility because they are already big names like Supergiant.
They denied Assault Android Cactus for whatever reason despite being a perfectly fine game. They don't give a shit about indies and these nobodies are deluded if they think their shitty game is going to end up on such a heavily controlled platform.

And it’s hilarious when they compared a 2013 release to a new one claiming they sold 2.5x more. Too bad for them, games like DMCV and risk of Raik 2 had a peak of users that are almost 20x more than their predecessors released in 2013

it looks better than memelands 3

christ i cant believe people here are hyped for that shit

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>They denied Assault Android Cactus for whatever reason despite being a perfectly fine game

As another user already pointed out, it's most likely because they don't believe anyone who hasn't already bought it from Steam would buy it from them for PC. It's several years old already.
Has Epic taken any older indie games at all?

Super Meat Boy is old as fuck, user.

You can tell EGS shills are all liars because if devs really cared about the cut they would all release their games on the Discord store which only takes 10%

Or Itch.io which takes whatever you set the take to

It's indie game of quite higher caliber on the other hand.

youtube.com/watch?v=gNcJpbPHwdM

Yeah, exactly. This faggot in OP's pic has no chance of getting his game on the epic game store but he still fantasizes about it anyway. He's delusional.

>lmao when was the last time steam updated their client
>Adds new features every few months
Pathetic

Don't respond to yourself user

>monopoly
fucking retards I swear

>bitching about the 100$ fee to get into steam

this guy is a fucking idiot not even worth anyones time

I didn't. I'm just not going to argue against some low effort ESL post about what a "high caliber" game Super Meat Boy is when I can just as easily make my point by using his own statement.

>bitches about the $100 fee
I'm guessing because he won't reach the $1000 threshold.

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>big game companies don't care about percentages
Yeah, stopped reading there. This person clearly majored in philosophy and not accounting.

Games that sell a million copies get their cut reduced to 20% on Steam.
But this guy might not even know that and thinks just because it's a lot of money for him that companies suddenly stop caring about a few million dollars more or less.

>I worked 4 years on this game
How does this guy know any of those games above his on the list were not worked on hard for 4 years by other devs also? Why do these indie shits have no self awareness and think they're so unique, and all other games on Steam are just asset flips out to get them and keep them down?

Epic sells switch games now?

Trying to monopolize that as well.

>complains about asset flips and shovelware taking up space for "real games"
>essentially plagiarizes Limbo
>complains about the $100 entry fee, that is no doubt holding back a slew of otherwise released asset flips and shovelware
people who are this self un-aware are not worth the time or energy

Could sell their shit on discord as well... But they understand Steam is preferable due to the services and centralisation it provides so Discord can't compete.
Which is why they're in love with the Epic bullshit "Corner the market" and "War of attrition" style of competition which is a race to the bottom, because it's a way to compete with steam, while only providing (Temporarily) better fees to the Indie dev (Depending on publisher) lining their pockets slightly more even though hidden costs on Steam's end evens out that gap anyway.

Every indie dev thinks they're the golden egg to the golden goose.

It's the PC port of a Switch game which is a port of a shitty mobile game

They rejected AAC because there's no exclusivity deal to be made.

>curated

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>Trying to monopolize that as well.
>eteknix.com/valve-paying-developers-stop-vr-exclusivity/
>Valve is Paying Developers to Stop VR Exclusivity
They're trying to be a market leader again, not a monopoly. Trying to lock down exclusivity would be monopoly-tactics

So why show the review score for the switch version? Seems fishy to me.

Not him, just looked it up and this is probably why.

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Im making a indie game and i tought seriously about the price

i belive 4.99 is the perfect price for the amount of content i offering AND counting the 30% it will give EXACLY 3.50 for each game sold
if i sell my target , i have high expectations and want to sell 1000 copies ill profit 3500 bucks

thats 3500 more than had before, so i realy dont see what people are bitching so much about, 30% is realy fair

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There are no reviews for the PC version

Absolutely. There's this spot between AAA and indie where indie-tiddie games go. The only reason they don't sell at AAA numbers is because muh-morality but there's no doubt that sex sells and using sex appeal in a game is a very easy way to skyrocket its appeal.

For example, let's take Stardew Valley. That is/was a huge seller, yeah? Everyone has a copy. Now, what if the dialogue was well written and contained erotica at the last few stages of the relationship? And one of the characters was a total slut that constantly made euphemisms. You don't even need sexy 8-bit graphics. Just changing the text alone would have increased sales by at least 15% and and no one would thinkof it as a kiddie game. But it wouldn't be full blown porn, either, so it doesn't risk a massive reputation hit. Just making the writing more adult. That's it. 15%. Easy.

Honestly, that's funnier and more impactful than the other image anyway.

Epic is just another fad that's going to fall off to the wayside and everyone will forget about it when something else big comes along and steals their attention. Shit like this happens every time.

I just realized that I truly respected developers up until about 2 months when all thus muh-developers shit started. Now I really don't care if I support them or not. The incessant whining about developers is doing more harm good.

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I just don't understand why people think they are entitled to money by making a game. You need to make a good game that will entice players, it doesn't matter if you're making the vidya equivalent of classical music if it's boring as fuck and overpriced
Your shitty political walking simulator about a transtrenderqueer PoC of color living in Drumpf's MuriKKKa only gets jerkoff points from Bay Area bugmen that are not buying your game, just demanding a free copy for "review" that you will be blacklisted for if you don't surrender it

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I hope you game does well user.
Don't you have to pay taxes on top of that though?

I think of it as a great opportunity to see their true nature with developers sticking to Steam because they don't want to piss off their fanbase and others taking the quick cash route. I think it's great for those that do stay on Steam since they have less competition so it's not all too bad.

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only if they find out im making it

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How fucking stupid do you have to be to think giant megacorporations "don't care that much about the percentages" or that places that size don't have teams of bean counters trying to scrounge every penny they possibly can.

Isn't it an obviously better choice for a developer to choose to sell on EGS if the percentage is that much better? I don't see how this is "shilling", more like common sense. They'll literally make more money so why not.

This was a great talk.

A lot of indie developers seem to really lack the understanding that their game may be under priced and are just generally incompetent at business and marketing.

>Can't afford to costs / Game isn't profitable enough - "Pricing obviously has nothing to do with it"
>"Everyone thinks my game is just another title in the stack of shit"
>Don't understand genre over saturation
>Don't understand hidden costs

The price is a big one. They seem to think tanking the monetary value of their game makes them competitive, when in reality, as long as the product is solid (And with some level of marketing but this applies regardless of price), they could push the price and probably end up with positive results from it.

I'm pretty much you, but in the future. I made WotR and basically got double penetrated by steam's cut, then taxes at the end of the year. Self-employment tax in america is a total fucking joke. No wonder everybody is stuck working shitty retail jobs.

It's probably because of how easy it was to be successful when Valve had to handpick games for Steam long before Greenlight. Steam didn't have many titles so the few that did get on it outside of Valve and AAA games were a great success, similar to indie games flourishing on the Switch eshop when there weren't that many games to begin with.
I think that kind of thought process stuck in the minds of indie devs unfortunately so now they are angry when their game with zero marketing or market research falls through.

>Isn't it an obviously better choice for a developer to choose to sell on EGS if the percentage is that much better?
>They'll literally make more money so why not.

70% of 10,000 sales at $10 each = $70,000
88% of 3,000 sales at $10 each = $26,400
Wow so much more money

Here's the catch

im not american

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People erroneously believe effort and work are the same things. Just because you're struggling to create something doesn't mean you deserve to get paid.

I guess I'm out of the loop. You're only allowed to host your game on ESG if it's exlusive?

Epic's mainly aiming for timed exclusives right now. Nobody is moving over because of the 'better split.' They're moving over because Epic is giving a fat sack of cash to go with it in the form of guaranteed minimum sales for those games

Assualt Android Cactus is a legit top tier shooter and it pains me that Yea Forums has developed such normie taste over the years.

Rentfree

Epic is signing deals for 1 year exclusivity yes. Part of the reason why it's gotten so heated was because games that were planning to launch on Steam didn't, publishers changed their mind and pissed of fans in the process. Metro: Exodus and Phoenix Point are probably the bigger games that caused a lot of backlash; M:E had a Steam page for the longest time and people had a deadline until they either pre-purchase it on Steam or they won't be able to anymore after for a year whereas Phoenix Point was a crowdfunded game on Fig (reaching 2 million I believe) that promised to release on Steam and GOG. They decided to take the Epic exclusivity deal (which comes with the benefit of receiving a shit ton of money) so backers now get their Steam and GOG keys a year later after release. They said future expansions will be free as a result of this deal for backers, but also offered refunds for those unsatisfied with the decision. It's come to light that even if all backers were to refund their pledges, they'd still be positive just from the deal with Epic alone.

Does it not concern most of you how little empathy you have

>You're only allowed to host your game on ESG if it's exlusive?

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Actually wrong on the tranny and pregnancy part in my case but not surprised about the whiskersfaggot, he really seemed like a elitist tard.

>not having fun watching retards reee when they blow all their time and money on a wild goose chase

I mean you need to do advertise your own game, you can't just put your game on steam and expect it to blow up. I'm sure this game has an audience, he just needs to advertise it to them.

It’s a platformer m8, those things haven’t had a strong market presence since steam greenlight let every wannabe put one on steam.
You want money, you’ve gotta find a niche you can get a profit out of, and unless you’ve got both a revolutionary new vision and the ability to deliver on it, that niche probably isn’t platformers

>anonymously as if it was coming from me

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This. Also the name is fucking stupid.

Good luck with your game
does it have waifus?

fuckin dis

yes

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makes sense. Fuck Valve

Why does every indie dev seem to think their 2D platformer has a chance on EGS? If you're not SuperGiant Games or Devolver Digital "indie" you're not even given a second look.

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>I'm gonna listen and believe to a balding cuck what is and isn't a good game
retarded zoomer pieces of shit fuck of from Yea Forums and play your minecraft with guns simulator

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